What would a U.S.-Russia war look like?

[lordtiberius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propaganda

What are we really complaining about here?  Our PR is better than theirs?  Obama's interventionism? The US policy in Kiev?  We abandoned our commitments to the Budapest Memorandum.  They asked us for guns, training, ships, jets.  We gave them MREs.  We have twink president, but by the commentary on this thread, you would think the pink pussy cat from Kenya Was Tamerlane.

The fact is there is an element on this forum that want a weak and debased FSU for a potential dating pool in case their current love life flops.

[Gator]

 

Congratulations to Ukraine for starting a military offensive to rid Slavyansk of insurgents.  Too bad the offensive quickly bogged down, especially after the insurgents shot down two helicopters.  How does an ordinary citizen get his hands on stinger missiles? 

How will Ukraine be ready for a national referendum in 3+ weeks with so many cities in turmoil?

[Maxx2]

Too bad the offensive quickly bogged down, especially after the insurgents shot down two helicopters.  How does an ordinary citizen get his hands on stinger missiles? 

My guess they used AP rounds. An AP round in one of my 30-06 rifles will penetrate 1 inch of mild steel. So with an aluminum and plexiglass helicopter? I wouldn't want to be in one.

[Gator]

My guess they used AP rounds. An AP round in one of my 30-06 rifles will penetrate 1 inch of mild steel. So with an aluminum and plexiglass helicopter? I wouldn't want to be in one.

PBS had a film clip of a missile launch (visual and sound).

[fathertime]

Anybody watch the Oliver Stone TV series? It's on re-run here now and very interesting. Now, here's an American I Call a real American (to paraphrase Hulk Hogan). To love America and Americans and the ideal of Americanism by criticizing bad policies of the past by People who Call themselves Americans but were not, that's what real patriotism is all about in my opinion. . The interventionists. The world improvers. The world police People. The supporters of the empire.

It makes me Wonder how Oliver Stone see the current situation in Ukraine. I'm pretty sure it's not With the current administrations glasses, nor the media, nor the rest of the western world's. Yes, here too, in Norway, we get the "consensus" oppinion of what's going on. Russia is supposedly all war mongering and propaganda and Washington is the shining light of truth and Liberty and the rest of the west just seem to follow orders. I can hear and read about it in the media every day, but also get the other side via my wife as she and her mother watch Russian TV here. Many times she tell me something that's happened and a day or two later I hear it on the News here. It's all very one-sided and it's laughable how the media is still in the 80's. It's like the truth movement in the west vs. the evil empire in the east.

I say give the Nobel Peace price to Vladimir Putin! Imagine if someone else were at the helm in Moscow. A Russian Hawk. Someone like Shirinovsky for example. We'd been in a world war a long time ago. Putin is very patient With the idiots in the western Powers, but even for the best politician of today, a limit must exist somewhere.

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This sir is a post that I can agree with 4-square. 


In listening to that Nuland tape once again among other things, it is extremely clear that we have orchestrated quite a bit, and helped to create the mess and now we are whining and fishing for partners because Russia has finally reacted.  This doesn't look like it is going to turn out well given the current escalations, and the ones promised going forward.   


Fathertime!   

[Maxx2]

PBS had a film clip of a missile launch (visual and sound).

Was it in Ukraine?

[lordtiberius]

A victory for Putin:

[BillyB]

How does an ordinary citizen get his hands on stinger missiles? 

They keep the anti aircraft and armor piercing weapons at home in the same closet they keep machine guns, ammo, battle fatigues, flak jackets, ski masks, razor wire, and stun grenades. All Ukrainians have these items at home!


Notice the difference between the protestors that ousted Yanukovych and the protestors now?

I say give the Nobel Peace price to Vladimir Putin!

Putin is a 2014 Nobel Peace prize nominee. Make your votes count and he may win it.

the idiots in the western Powers,

From the beginning to the end of Obama's presidency, China and Russia will have made progress catching up to America. We keep electing guys like Obama, you guys may get your wish someday. America will only have enough power sustain ourselves and we won't be able enforce international law. Russia and China may have their chance to influence the world the way they see fit.

[Maxx2]

[size=78%] We keep electing guys like Obama, you guys may get your wish someday. America will only have enough power sustain ourselves and we won't be able enforce international law. Russia and China may have their chance to influence the world the way they see fit.[/size]

For the record I loath Obama. It was his three witches, Hillary, Victoria and Rice that started this whole mess.

[GQBlues]

I can only hope someday Ukrainians will realize the blame lies upon my country, the US, and the EU for causing this unrest in their home country.

I'm willing to bet these pro-Russians never want to be back under Russian domain anymore than the Crimeans do that's why they're living in Ukraine. But choosing between Russia and having to live under an illegitimate government made specifically by the US/EU, right after witnessing having their duly, legally elected president unconstitutionally removed, they're doing what anyone else will be doing in their own respective nations - thus Russia became the lesser evil.

It really is too bad. Bad for Ukraine. Bad for the Ukrainians. Bad for the ethnic Russians of Ukraine.

[BillyB]

after witnessing having their duly, legally elected president unconstitutionally removed,

If Yanukovych got his Kim Jong Un on, he wouldn't have been ousted. If he got the same haircut as the duly elected president of North Korea below, he'd have women weeping for joy and creaming their pants when he walks in the room instead of having to flee the country.

[GQBlues]

If Yanukovych got his Kim Jong Un on, he wouldn't have been ousted. If he got the same haircut as the duly elected president of North Korea below, he'd have women weeping for joy and creaming their pants when he walks in the room instead of having to flee the country.

Definitely the dissenting opinion specialist.  Yeah Yanu should've hung out in strip joints with you, LOL

[lordtiberius]

NK will never be free. But according to Ron Paul and his disciples, that shouldn't both us. According to the liberals, its our fault. At least Fatty Kim looks happy.

[Anotherkiwi]

Was it in Ukraine?

Yes - it was shown here as well.  Now the unrest has spread to Odessa, with dire results as "dozens" of pro-Russian demonstrators are reported to have died when a building to which they had fled was set on fire.  What was personally more chilling to me was that the first part of the clip on our news tonight showed fighting near the top of the Potemkin Steps, directly outside the apartment I stayed in during my visit to that city.

[justme100]

It really is too bad. Bad for Ukraine. Bad for the Ukrainians. Bad for the ethnic Russians of Ukraine.

Ukraine died yesterday.Died for millions of ukrainians who we watching direct stream from Odessa. I wish now I didn't. I can't sleep for the second day and no medicine helps me to fall asleep.I started smoking. I can't stop crying. I hate Ukraine. I hate this damned country,i hate everything connected with it.
Yesterday 43 people were burned alive by ukrainian facsists in Odessa. 174 people are dying from severe injuries now in the hospitals. Fascists of 21 century just locked them in the building, locked everybody who just chanced to be there that momenbt, old women and men, everybody.and burned them alive. They killed those who jumped from the 5 floor of the burning building. They were beating people burning alive and ..they were laughting..."Burn,Russians!!"But when everything was finished and they were rummaging the building checking the documents of the dead people...everybody was from Odessa...Ukraininas killed Ukrainians...late at night on their forums they would write to each other - thanks to Kiev and Kharkov, it was a great surprise!Nice barbecue!!BARBECUE!!!I hate Ukraine.

[alex330]

Sounds like you may not have the full info on what occurred in Odessa.

[justme100]

Sounds like you may not have the full info on what occurred in Odessa.

I have the fullest info possible.I watched online stream  for 5 hours made by one of the busters.

[justme100]

Young Ukrainian nazi...in an hour they will burn alive 43 people...

[Faux Pas]

Ukraine died yesterday.Died for millions of ukrainians who we watching direct stream from Odessa. I wish now I didn't. I can't sleep for the second day and no medicine helps me to fall asleep.I started smoking. I can't stop crying. I hate Ukraine. I hate this damned country,i hate everything connected with it.
Yesterday 43 people were burned alive by ukrainian facsists in Odessa. 174 people are dying from severe injuries now in the hospitals. Fascists of 21 century just locked them in the building, locked everybody who just chanced to be there that momenbt, old women and men, everybody.and burned them alive. They killed those who jumped from the 5 floor of the burning building. They were beating people burning alive and ..they were laughting..."Burn,Russians!!"But when everything was finished and they were rummaging the building checking the documents of the dead people...everybody was from Odessa...Ukraininas killed Ukrainians...late at night on their forums they would write to each other - thanks to Kiev and Kharkov, it was a great surprise!Nice barbecue!!BARBECUE!!!I hate Ukraine.

You asked for it, now you've got it

[Maxx2]

Ukraine died yesterday.Died for millions of ukrainians who we watching direct stream from Odessa. I wish now I didn't. I can't sleep for the second day and no medicine helps me to fall asleep.I started smoking. I can't stop crying. I hate Ukraine. I hate this damned country,i hate everything connected with it.
Yesterday 43 people were burned alive by ukrainian facsists in Odessa. 174 people are dying from severe injuries now in the hospitals. Fascists of 21 century just locked them in the building, locked everybody who just chanced to be there that momenbt, old women and men, everybody.and burned them alive. They killed those who jumped from the 5 floor of the burning building. They were beating people burning alive and ..they were laughting..."Burn,Russians!!"But when everything was finished and they were rummaging the building checking the documents of the dead people...everybody was from Odessa...Ukraininas killed Ukrainians...late at night on their forums they would write to each other - thanks to Kiev and Kharkov, it was a great surprise!Nice barbecue!!BARBECUE!!!I hate Ukraine.

Probably the Sbovoda neo-nazis of Ukraine did this. Their allies of the past did the same to the Jews.

[Chelseaboy]

This is what happens when you walk about in another country,waving your Russian flags,beating-up people that don't share your Seperatism views with baseball bats,arming yourselves,and inviting Russia to invade.

You pro-Russian Crimeans started this ,and now  you will see the consequences of your actions.

[justme100]

This is what happens when you walk about in another country,waving your Russian flags,beating-up people that don't share your Seperatism views with baseball bats,arming yourselves,and inviting Russia to invade.

You Crimeans started this ,and now  you will see the consequences of your actions.

Really?This was started by this ugly black monkey that is called your president. This damned creature made all this as well as he did it in previous countries. I wish damnation to him and all his children, let them all die long and painfully as all these people whom he killed.

[Maxx2]

The West started it when it instigated the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine as clearing shown on the Victoria Nuland tape. But nothing justifies beating people and burning them alive done by either side.


 

[Chelseaboy]

justme100,

               We don't have a black President in my country..and kindly keep your racist thoughts to yourself.

On another note,it seems Ukrainians and Russians have a barbaric nature ,going by the events happening in Ukraine,with people just looking for an excuse to fight each other and glorying in it.

Reminds me a bit of the football hooligans we used to have here,although women didn't get involved as they do in Ukraine..but the violence is  obviously more extreme in Ukraine now.

[Faux Pas]

Really?This was started by this ugly black monkey that is called your president. This damned creature made all this as well as he did it in previous countries. I wish damnation to him and all his children, let them all die long and painfully as all these people whom he killed.

Classy 

The West started it when it instigated the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine as clearing shown on the Victoria Nuland tape. But nothing justifies beating people and burning them alive done by either side.


 

Maxx, you can say seriously with a straight face that you don't attribute any of the events in Ukraine to Putin?