What would a U.S.-Russia war look like?

[fathertime]

The financial war which we seem to engage in seems to not be going perfectly.  I just read that Great Britain is attempting to join the Asian Infrastructure bank, to the USA's dismay.  China is spearheading this bank which is in response to what has felt has been unfair treatment from the IMF, based in Washington. 
China is making moves everywhere right now...and gaining supporters.


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Fathertime!   
 

[fathertime]

The financial war which we seem to engage in seems to not be going perfectly.  I just read that Great Britain is attempting to join the Asian Infrastructure bank, to the USA's dismay.  China is spearheading this bank which is in response to what has felt has been unfair treatment from the IMF, based in Washington. 
China is making moves everywhere right now...and gaining supporters.


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To update this further...now Germany, France, Luxenbourg, and Italy are joining the Chinese infrastructure bank.  All this despite our pleas (The USA) for them to 'think twice'.   If finances are becoming a weapon in warfare, then China is winning over allies all over Europe....while we are agitating nations the world around with our boorish interference and threats.  Something is going to have to change soon.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/18/us-europe-asia-bank-idUSKBN0MD0B320150318Fathertime!

[lordtiberius]

Deciding not to do business with murderers is not economic warfare.  Economic warfare is disrupting and damaging the target economy after sanctions.

[Boethius]

To update this further...now Germany, France, Luxenbourg, and Italy are joining the Chinese infrastructure bank.  All this despite our pleas (The USA) for them to 'think twice'.   If finances are becoming a weapon in warfare, then China is winning over allies all over Europe....while we are agitating nations the world around with our boorish interference and threats.  Something is going to have to change soon.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/18/us-europe-asia-bank-idUSKBN0MD0B320150318Fathertime!

From the link -

It's not an accident that emerging economies are looking at other places because they are frustrated that, frankly, the United States has stalled a very mild and reasonable set of reforms in the IMF," Lew said.  Some Republicans have complained the changes would cost too much at a time Washington is running big budget deficits. The reforms have also ran afoul of a growing isolationist trend among the party's influential Tea Party wing.

It appears Congress has shot itself in the foot again.

[Gator]

To update this further...now Germany, France, Luxenbourg, and Italy are joining the Chinese infrastructure bank.
 

You are an investor.  If you believe this will have a serious impact, short the American dollar, sell your American stock holdings, and buy BABA (Alibaba) and Chinese ETFs. 

[fathertime]

You are an investor.  If you believe this will have a serious impact, short the American dollar, sell your American stock holdings, and buy BABA (Alibaba) and Chinese ETFs.

I'm fully invested in the USA...if it goes down, so do I.   Shorting the dollar would probably be a good move though...it has been hitting fresh highwater almost daily (Up until the Fed's wording today).   


Things like the Chinese infrastructure bank and our allies joining it against our will are demonstrating that the USA will probably be losing a lot of it's worldwide sway.  The nice growth we have had over the past 30 years is not likely to continue...IMO....although very modest growth isn't the end of the world, and is to be expected in a mature economy.  It would be a boon for me if we had another period of rapid growth, but I don't see it happening right now.   


Fathertime! 

[lordtiberius]

From the link -


It appears Congress has shot itself in the foot again.

I would caution anyone ascribing truth to anything said by these bipartisan wimps in DC.

The US Economy is stalled because Consumer Confidence is in the toilet.  If you want Reagan-Clinton job growth, repeal D-F, SOX, lay off government workers, pay off the debt, replace the income tax with sales tax & audit the Fed.  Its not that hard, if you have the will.

[Faux Pas]

I'm fully invested in the USA...if it goes down, so do I.   Shorting the dollar would probably be a good move though...it has been hitting fresh highwater almost daily (Up until the Fed's wording today).   


Things like the Chinese infrastructure bank and our allies joining it against our will are demonstrating that the USA will probably be losing a lot of it's worldwide sway.  The nice growth we have had over the past 30 years is not likely to continue...IMO....although very modest growth isn't the end of the world, and is to be expected in a mature economy.  It would be a boon for me if we had another period of rapid growth, but I don't see it happening right now.   


Fathertime!

When the Dollar dies, try buying your bread and eggs with some Chinese yen 

[The Natural]

The financial war which we seem to engage in seems to not be going perfectly.  I just read that Great Britain is attempting to join the Asian Infrastructure bank, to the USA's dismay.  China is spearheading this bank which is in response to what has felt has been unfair treatment from the IMF, based in Washington. 
China is making moves everywhere right now...and gaining supporters.

Here's Paul Craig Roberts comments on this issue:

"Washington’s EU vassals might be finding their backbone. Britain, Germany, France, and Italy are reported to have defied Washington’s orders and applied to join the Chinese-led Asian Investment Bank. Australia, Japan, South Korea, Switzerland and Luxembourg might also join.

Washington uses its development banks such as the Asian Development Bank, the World Bank, along with the IMF, in order to exercise financial and political hegemony. These banks are crucial elements of American economic and political imperialism.

The Chinese-led bank will, of course, be much more effective. The Chinese will use the bank to actually help countries and thereby make friends and grow trust, whereas Washington uses its banks for domination by force.

This new bank, together with the BRICS Bank, will provide countries with escape routes from Washington’s domination.

The Evil Empire is beginning to crack. It will crack more as the Russian-Chinese alliance unfolds its potentials and when European capitals understand that hegemonic Washington has put their existence at risk in order to try to prevent Russia’s rise. The crazed American and British neocon nazis, and their dupes among the populations, comprise the greatest human threat that the world has ever known. The sooner the Evil Empire collapses, the safer the world will be."

[fathertime]

When the Dollar dies, try buying your bread and eggs with some Chinese yen 

Well if indeed the dollar dies like you predict then the problems stemming from it would be very bad for me...but I'm not entirely convinced that is inevitable...but it's dominance is under attack...

Fathertime!

[fathertime]

Here's Paul Craig Roberts comments on this issue:

"Washington’s EU vassals might be finding their backbone. Britain, Germany, France, and Italy are reported to have defied Washington’s orders and applied to join the Chinese-led Asian Investment Bank. Australia, Japan, South Korea, Switzerland and Luxembourg might also join.

Washington uses its development banks such as the Asian Development Bank, the World Bank, along with the IMF, in order to exercise financial and political hegemony. These banks are crucial elements of American economic and political imperialism.

The Chinese-led bank will, of course, be much more effective. The Chinese will use the bank to actually help countries and thereby make friends and grow trust, whereas Washington uses its banks for domination by force.

This new bank, together with the BRICS Bank, will provide countries with escape routes from Washington’s domination.

The Evil Empire is beginning to crack. It will crack more as the Russian-Chinese alliance unfolds its potentials and when European capitals understand that hegemonic Washington has put their existence at risk in order to try to prevent Russia’s rise. The crazed American and British neocon nazis, and their dupes among the populations, comprise the greatest human threat that the world has ever known. The sooner the Evil Empire collapses, the safer the world will be."

Apparently this perspective is a lot more common then the everyday American realizes. 

Fathertime!

[Faux Pas]

Well if indeed the dollar dies like you predict then the problems stemming from it would be very bad for me...but I'm not entirely convinced that is inevitable...but it's dominance is under attack...

Fathertime!

It's smoke and mirrors not dominance. When Wall St folds the world financial markets will fold.

[Boethius]

I usually can't access the WSJ for free, but this book review is available.  It is fascinating, and I'll likely read the book.  It came on my radar after a Canadian paper interviewed the author on his speculation that Alberta would cede from Canada -
http://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-the-accidental-superpower-by-peter-zeihan-1417653112

[mendeleyev]

Neville, the guy is a crackpot alright. But I almost burst out laughing at this:

It will crack more as the Russian-Chinese alliance unfolds

What part of that alliance is the permanent stationing of some 30% of Russia's forces along the border to protect against Chinese incursions?

Is Russia's famed "Railway Troop," designed in part to protect Russia's rail system from Chinese sabotage, a part of that alliance?

Keep reading those comics. They may not be very enlightening, but I needed a good laugh today!

[fathertime]

Neville, the guy is a crackpot alright. But I almost burst out laughing at this:

What part of that alliance is the permanent stationing of some 30% of Russia's forces along the border to protect against Chinese incursions?

Is Russia's famed "Railway Troop," designed in part to protect Russia's rail system from Chinese sabotage, a part of that alliance?

Keep reading those comics. They may not be very enlightening, but I needed a good laugh today!

I thought I was Neville?  If so then you should be addressing the poster who posted the link, as it wasn't me.

Fathertime!

[The Natural]

I thought I was Neville?  If so then you should be addressing the poster who posted the link, as it wasn't me.

Fathertime!

Haha, you AND Paul Craig Roberts are both Neville. Actually, under normal conditions you should be proud to be compared to PCR, unfortunately Mr. boots-on-the-ground isn't normal. Yeah, like I would take his Word over the brilliant PCR's, haha. Propaganda workers like that don't Reach him up to his little toe, even...... but they can be used for a good sarcastic laugh....

[jone]

Natural,

There are people like PCR, who doesn't get out of the country, and then there are those who actually live in the areas affected.  Mr. Roberts was born in 1939.  At the start of WWII.  His claim to the Reagan administration has been disavowed by most of the participants at one time or another.  Their typical take on him is that he's a cuckoo bird. 

You can take PCR and live by his Gospel.  But, for me, I'll stick with guys with feet on the ground. 

Keep 'em coming, Mendy.

[Anotherkiwi]

When the Dollar dies, try buying your bread and eggs with some Chinese yen 

Is that related to the Mexican peseta?  Or the Russian hryvnia? 

[Faux Pas]

Is that related to the Mexican peseta?  Or the Russian hryvnia? 

WTH are you yapping about now? Yuan make you happy? So you're a spelling Nazi now? FYI Yuan is often referred to as yen in civilized countries. Oh but that's right, you don't live in one.

[SANDRO43]

FYI Yuan is often referred to as yen in civilized countries.

I must live in an uncivilised country too, here Yen is considered Japan's currency, while Yuan is the basic unit of the renminbi,the official currency of the People's Republic of China.

1,000 yen

100 Yuan

[Faux Pas]

I must live in an uncivilised country too, here Yen is considered Japan's currency, while Yuan is the basic unit of the renminbi,the official currency of the People's Republic of China.

1,000 yen

100 Yuan

I stand corrected. Of course that doesn't move the Eyetalians into the civilized world but I digress 

[fathertime]

Is that related to the Mexican peseta?  Or the Russian hryvnia? 

So the guy made a minor error. .no reason to try and clobber him over the head....people get his point.

Fathertime!

[lordtiberius]

Hi Kettle!

[fathertime]

Hi Kettle!

Hi!
I'm sorry for being mean to you all the time but you deserve it!! 
Fathertime!

[Muzh]

Is that related to the Mexican peseta?  Or the Russian hryvnia? 

Psst! It is Peso. The Peseta was the currency in Spain before the Euro.