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Title: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Yoshiii1 on July 10, 2018, 08:06:52 AM
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: BdHvA on July 10, 2018, 08:15:15 AM
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

Welcome to RWD

While I am uncertain what 'the women' means in your book, it does not hurt your chances to have a woman or women if you have funds to spare.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Yoshiii1 on July 10, 2018, 08:24:09 AM
I mean do you have lots of money? Or just able to provide a good stable life?
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 08:33:03 AM
it's not a binary one or the other kind of answer
it's one of degree
the more money you have, the easier everything becomes
conversely
the less money you have, the more difficult everything becomes
if you have infinite money
you can have infinite sex
if you have zero money
you will have zero sex
now the line between zero and infinity
probably isn't purely linear
might be exponential at some point
and obviously that's where you want to be at on the curve

hope this kinda graph analytical approach answers your question
everything is proportional to money
stability increases with money
decreases without it

if you have to ask how much something costs
it usually means you can't afford it
increase your income and then try...



Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Yoshiii1 on July 10, 2018, 08:53:14 AM
I guess what I mean is If  most women  want  happy  stable life or richy life.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 09:43:12 AM
Women typically go for men who are 4-5 years older, and equal or higher in socio-economic status.

Men go for younger women who are equal or lower in socio-economic status.

There are rare exceptions, but they are not the norm.

The expression of a woman who is "out of your league" refers to a woman of higher socio-economic status than you.

Women want a happy stable life with a guy who can support her and her future child.  In regards to FSU women who are leaving the life they know, going to a new country with a new language to be with a man they barely know, they are going to want a happy stable life plus an increase in socio-economic status.  The older the man is, the more money he is going to need to keep the woman happy.

Depending on your age, and the present socio-economic status of the lady you are pursuing, she may want you to offer both a happy stable life and considerable money.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: John Gaunt on July 10, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?
I don’t think being rich is a pre requisite. However, this is not a cheap venture and international dating and marriage incurs costs which would not apply were you to date locally. Financial stability and disposable income are certainly factors which come into play.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 10:09:30 AM
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However, this is not a cheap venture and international dating and marriage incurs costs which would not apply were you to date locally. Financial stability and disposable income are certainly factors which come into play.

At least for US men pursuing FSU women, the number I have heard bantered about is that a man should expect to pay $20,000 out of pocket during courtship of a FSU lady.  (Trips to visit her through the K1 process.)

After you get married, that is when it gets really costly.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: ML on July 10, 2018, 10:40:58 AM
As others have said . . . it depends on the woman.
Some will be happy with a lower-middle class life in the west, whereas others want at least an upper-middle class life.

A rough guide would be to assess the woman's situation when she was growing up.
Those who are from families that struggled to survive might be accepting of a lower-middle class situation in the west.

However, there are probably plenty of exceptions to that rule even, where the woman dreamt so strongly about leaving behind her poor background that she wants upper-middle class or even higher new situation.  Her looks will dictate how successful she will be in striving for a bolshoi upgrade.

I would agree that $20,000 would be a good ball-park figure as to how much money the man should have to spare in getting the woman into the west.  Depends a lot on the distances involved, of course.

However, as to whether the real expenses start when she arrives; that depends greatly on her income producing ability.  The gals with at least medium English skills and appropriate education and experience in accounting, medical (except those that have stringent licensing requirements), beauty salons, house cleaning, retail sales, teaching math and science subjects can often pay their own way (and more) fairly soon.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: BillyB on July 10, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
I mean do you have lots of money? Or just able to provide a good stable life?

Most women prefer a man who's responsible, intelligent which allows him to provide a stable life over an idiot who won the lottery. Money is important but there are more important things than money if you want to keep a woman.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2018, 12:28:24 PM
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

Where are you from Yoshii as the amount it will cost to both meet, bring her over and give a a reasonable comfort of lifestyle is likely to vary I think depending on the country you're from.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: John Gaunt on July 10, 2018, 12:36:00 PM
Where are you from Yoshii as the amount it will cost to both meet, bring her over and give a a reasonable comfort of lifestyle is likely to vary I think depending on the country you're from.
That’s a bit rich, coming from someone who hasn’t a scooby doo.  :cluebat:
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 01:01:50 PM
out of the mouths of foolish men
words of strength may be heard...

condemn the fault, and not the actor of it?
I should have said THAT to Pilate
instead of whispering “crucifixion” in his ear...

but then the judges always sooner or later...
will become the ones judged...

Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: myrddin on July 10, 2018, 01:06:45 PM
I guess what I mean is If  most women  want  happy  stable life or richy life.

Most people want a happy, stable life.
More money means more options, but by itself it doesn't solve any problems.

I recall someone (years ago) trying to add up everything from contact to K-1 (for the US) and arriving at around $25,000 US.

But like ML says, the real costs start after she arrives.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: IvanM07 on July 10, 2018, 01:22:03 PM
out of the mouths of foolish men
words of strength may be heard...

condemn the fault, and not the actor of it?
I should have said THAT to Pilate
instead of whispering “crucifixion” in his ear...

but then the judges always sooner or later...
will become the ones judged...

Krim, come back to earth with us man....

(http://i.chzbgr.com/full/7476527104/h7011D652/)
Title: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 10, 2018, 01:54:34 PM
I mean do you have lots of money? Or just able to provide a good stable life?

Find the right girl, win her heart and she will always be by your side.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: ML on July 10, 2018, 02:33:08 PM
Find the right girl, win her heart and she will always be by your side.

Come on . . . you know this is not true!!!!
50% divorce rate even as most all persons are sure they have found the right girl/boy.
Try is all you can do, and hope for best . . . which only comes true about half the time, and even less for 2nd and beyond marriages.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: IvanM07 on July 10, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Come on . . . you know this is not true!!!!
50% divorce rate even as most all persons are sure they have found the right girl/boy.
Try is all you can do, and hope for best . . . which only comes true about half the time, and even less for 2nd and beyond marriages.

IDK, wasn't there a statistic by the Fed that showed that it's a 49% Divorce rate amongst domestic partners but something like <30% for international? That was what originally got me interested in looking abroad. Up to that point I had no interest in signing up for a coin toss of whether or not I lose half my crap.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: GenMish on July 10, 2018, 03:03:22 PM
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

Rich works, but a smart middle class man that makes this relationship a priority is just as good if not better. In my 25 years of knowing couples like this, the most successful were from middle class men that made their marriage a priority. Actually the really rich guys I knew made bad choices, the middle class men made better choices. I think the later knew it was all on the line so they picked better mates.

If you decide to go this route, there will be expenses. My friend earlier said a realistic number today is 25k, in my experience it was 3k 25 years ago. But as my friend said, the expenses mount afterwards. Another respected poster mentioned how a wife would contribute later on, and that is very true. FSU women are very bright, but it might take several years before they can contribute.

So you must be able to financially take care of her until she can work, if that is what she wants
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 03:23:28 PM
Come on . . . you know this is not true!!!!
50% divorce rate even as most all persons are sure they have found the right girl/boy.
Try is all you can do, and hope for best . . . which only comes true about half the time, and even less for 2nd and beyond marriages.

If you marry a girl who is a virgin, your chances of divorce are about 5%.
In the US, about 50% of first marriages end in divorce.
2/3 of second marriages end in divorce.
3/4 of third marriages end in divorce.

Rates of child abuse with both biological parents 3%.
Rates of child abuse with one biological parent plus a new partner 30%.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 05:04:34 PM
I still say get an egg donor of whatever physical characteristics you want
a willing fertility clinic to do the in-vitro with your own sperm
and a surrogate mother to take it to term

and presto you have a child with half your genes and who also has no legal mother
so you could never be blackmailed by her or her attorney
and she can be raised by your ukrainian au pair girl
who lives with you
and whose visa you completely control
sweet mother of god,
why didn't I think of this when I was younger


Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: DaveNY on July 10, 2018, 06:31:17 PM
I still say get an egg donor of whatever physical characteristics you want
a willing fertility clinic to do the in-vitro with your own sperm
and a surrogate mother to take it to term

and presto you have a child with half your genes and who also has no legal mother

krimster after this post I know you're not a lawyer. Maybe what you say might be true in Ukraine however I'd like to see you get her into the US with a mother's name.

In the US the woman who gave birth to her could claim to be her mother as could the egg donor if she could be tracked down.

and she can be raised by your ukrainian au pair girl
who lives with you
and whose visa you completely control


When you start saying things like "whose visa you completely control" you're talking about human trafficking or kidnapping or forcible confinement at a minimum.

Using your own sperm to fertilize donor eggs left at a sperm bank in Ukraine and using a surrogate to give birth may be legal in the US however when you're talking about controlling a foreign citizen in the US via her visa status you're talking about federal felonies and that will get you serious federal time. Your daughter will go into the care of child services and if you ever get out of federal custody it's unlikely you'll ever get custody of her again. Assuming she's still a child when you're released.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: krimster2 on July 10, 2018, 08:13:16 PM
"you're talking about federal felonies and that will get you serious federal time"

gozpedy
if someone has a work visa through you like an au pair girl you hired from Ukraine
their visa is valid only as long as they are employed by you
you can fire them with no notice
and they have to leave
should you so choose
so yes, you control their visa
anyone with a green card tied to a particular employer has the same issue
golden handcuffs
so you have leverage over this girl
and not the other way around


there was an employment agency near San Francisco
that only placed either Russian grandmothers or young Russian girls into homes
you had to co-file the paperwork
and pay a fee
but then you have a 21 yr old living in your house
who speaks no English but cooks and cleans
and whatever else you want


yes, it is difficult to get a surrogate from outside the US into the US
but I can think of at least one way where it wouldn't be too hard
that involves the mexican border
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: ML on July 10, 2018, 08:36:07 PM
If you marry a girl who is a virgin, your chances of divorce are about 5%.
In the US, about 50% of first marriages end in divorce.

Your second statement is true.

Your first statement is totally false. 
Chance that divorce will occur when either or both were virgins at marriage is still 50%.
In fact, the chance may be even higher since not even minimal sexual compatibility has been established.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 09:07:42 PM
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Your first statement is totally false.
Chance that divorce will occur when either or both were virgins at marriage is still 50%.
In fact, the chance may be even higher since not even minimal sexual compatibility has been established.

The facts disagree with you.  Feel free to look up the Teachman studies, the Heritage studies, or the CDC's National Survey of Family Growth studies.

(http://ifstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/wolfinger-sex-partners-divorce-figure-1-1.png)

I was slightly incorrect.  It is 5% of women who are marrying now as virgins, with a 6% divorce rate.  (In the 1970's, it was 21% of women marrying as virgins.)

Of no surprise, women who attend church regularly also have the lowest number of sexual partners.
(http://ifstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/wolfinger-sex-partners-church-attendance-figure-2.png)



Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 10, 2018, 09:29:30 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4uvCNpBV-Ps/T3Gym13I1bI/AAAAAAAAAYY/8Sm0qt_OU10/s640/linear.jpg)

The more non-marital sex partners, the less likely to be happy, more likely to be depressed, more likely to get an STD, and less likely to be in a stable marriage.

(http://i.imgur.com/rrLe319.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: BillyB on July 10, 2018, 10:01:48 PM

Abstinence is a good thing if practiced in moderation.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 10, 2018, 11:22:24 PM
Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?

In the case of attractive western women yes, in the UK these are the sort of lengths you have to go to unless you're happy to settle for a fatty:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44787426

Make sure you provide them with the suitable level of excitement they crave for also or you're history or as this article shows they are.

In comparison a FSW can actually be a cheaper option than buying the whole kaboddle that guy did. You can impress a FSW in a mid range restaurant for a few quid out there. You won't need the speed boat either you'll be glad to hear or need to needlessly do any extreme sports :)
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: John Gaunt on July 11, 2018, 12:50:30 AM
In the case of attractive western women yes, in the UK these are the sort of lengths you have to go to unless you're happy to settle for a fatty:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44787426

Make sure you provide them with the suitable level of excitement they crave for also or you're history or as this article shows they are.

In comparison a FSW can actually be a cheaper option than buying the whole kaboddle that guy did. You can impress a FSW in a mid range restaurant for a few quid out there. You won't need the speed boat either you'll be glad to hear or need to needlessly do any extreme sports :)
Your words would have some worth if you knew what you were talking about.
Since you don’t they just illustrate your ignorance on all matters concerning women.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 14, 2018, 12:33:15 AM
In further answer to OP question I think financial security is important. If your in a position where your job or business is vulnerable to disappearing then that is one area to focus on. A girl I am messagin and interested in at the moment was with a UK guy in a relationship some time but it fell apart when his job went and he struggled to get adequate replacement since it became obvious to the girl that the relationship would be going nowhere. Bad for him, good for me so long as the same does not happen to me with the rug being pulled from under my feet right at the most cruical time. With British Employers I have learned that you can't rely upon them. My job at the moment is fairly sound but you only need to make one false move, upset or be disliked without cause by some important person up the food chain and all of a sudden that secure job in the space of a few minutes becomes a insecure job or even a previous one.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Nightwish on July 14, 2018, 03:43:18 AM
In further answer to OP question I think financial security is important. If your in a position where your job or business is vulnerable to disappearing then that is one area to focus on. A girl I am messagin and interested in at the moment was with a UK guy in a relationship some time but it fell apart when his job went and he struggled to get adequate replacement since it became obvious to the girl that the relationship would be going nowhere. Bad for him, good for me so long as the same does not happen to me with the rug being pulled from under my feet right at the most cruical time. With British Employers I have learned that you can't rely upon them. My job at the moment is fairly sound but you only need to make one false move, upset or be disliked without cause by some important person up the food chain and all of a sudden that secure job in the space of a few minutes becomes a insecure job or even a previous one.

I'm curious..
If you think so.. then why are you on this 'quest'? you are anything but financially secure as has been established..
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Steamer on July 14, 2018, 09:03:36 AM
                                   ***Generalization Warning!!***




What I've seen with RW is that they have no clue about what your salary means in relation to your lifestyle. Whatever amount you tell them sounds like a million bucks and can create false ideas.


No, being rich isn't a requirement (never hurts though). Saying that you are average or above ave. will convey the idea better. RW will not fully understand your situation until she is standing in you living room looking around and (more importantly) when she steps on your front porch and looks up and down the street at the neighbors. How are you compared to everyone else? This will matter to her.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: BillyB on July 14, 2018, 09:37:53 AM
   Saying that you are average or above ave. will convey the idea better.


That's what I did. I tell the ladies I'm living the life of an average American. They have their own ideas on what that means. Saying that does not scare away women who are wanting to build a life with a man. It does scare away gold diggers. Some of them ladies stopped writing me after I said that.
Title: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 14, 2018, 11:25:20 AM
Come on . . . you know this is not true!!!!
50% divorce rate even as most all persons are sure they have found the right girl/boy.
Try is all you can do, and hope for best . . . which only comes true about half the time, and even less for 2nd and beyond marriages.

The OP's question is
"Hello do you have to be rich for the women to want to be with you?"

My answer is based on the question. The answer is NO, you don't have to be rich
if you find the right girl and win her heart. Do you think that you need to be rich?

My wife moved to North Dakota to be with me.

Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: DaveNY on July 14, 2018, 11:44:59 AM
$20,000 is a figure that some are quoting. IMO it's probably on the low side by quite a bit. If you live on the US west coast and fly into Moscow it's going to cost more than if you live in NYC. If you live in the middle of the US and you're visiting a woman in the middle of Russia it's going to cost much more.

A 2 week trip from NYC to Moscow, flight and cheap hotel, will run about $2,000. Add in a nice hotel and it's $3,000. Do this 5 or 6 times, add in spending money in Moscow and maybe a few side trips to London or Paris and that's already at least $20,000. Yes, you can save some money by staying at rental apartments instead of hotels but the savings aren't going to be that much. Most men say it's taken them far more than 6 trips to find a match.

Then there's the cost of the wedding. That can be $20,000 in itself. Or a few dollars for a civil ceremony. US government costs for her paperwork from beginning to naturalized US citizen done by an immigration lawyer can cost $10,000, likely more today. For my wife starting in 2006 to naturalized US citizen, done by an immigration lawyer cost about $14,000 and I got a discount. You'll save lots of money if you do it yourself and it can be done by the average American.   

Then there's the cost of an American education. How much of her Russian education will be accepted in the US? My wife had a Bsc in Math. Most of her education was accepted however since it was a decade old and lacked computer classes she had to do some computer classes and advanced math classes. Then she did a Msc. Total cost about $18,000 ending in 2010. Cost today about $26,000. Community college is cheaper as are trade schools for careers as a chef or hair stylist or electrician. If she wants to be a MD? Medical school in the US? Probably $250,000 and up. If she needs only English classes those costs can be free. In NYC there are many free classes for English learners for immigrants.

Other costs most men don't think about? What about transportation? Cost of a monthly bus pass or car? Metrocard in NYC is about $120/month. Cheap used car in NYC $3,000 and up. Yearly car insurance with decent coverage? $1,500 -$2,000. Driving lessons about $500. $1,000 if she knows nothing and is a slow learner.

What about food? Two can't eat as cheaply as one. I doubt our food costs doubled. Most times I ate out prior to marriage. Eating at home, for two, probably didn't cost more than my dining out for one. Your costs will vary. 

Then there's the cost of her clothes. We shipped most of her clothes and other valuables to the US. Cost about $1,200. If she arrives with just the clothes on her plus a couple of suitcases. It could be costly to fill her closets.

What about housing? Will she want to redecorate? Cost of a new bed at a minimum? $500. New house?

Those are some of the costs of bringing your new wife home. They are far from complete. As you can see, it might only cost $20,000 but will probably be much more.   



 
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Nightwish on July 14, 2018, 11:56:19 AM
$20,000 is a figure that some are quoting. IMO it's probably on the low side by quite a bit. If you live on the US west coast and fly into Moscow it's going to cost more than if you live in NYC. If you live in the middle of the US and you're visiting a woman in the middle of Russia it's going to cost much more.

A 2 week trip from NYC to Moscow, flight and cheap hotel, will run about $2,000. Add in a nice hotel and it's $3,000. Do this 5 or 6 times, add in spending money in Moscow and maybe a few side trips to London or Paris and that's already at least $20,000. Yes, you can save some money by staying at rental apartments instead of hotels but the savings aren't going to be that much. Most men say it's taken them far more than 6 trips to find a match.

Then there's the cost of the wedding. That can be $20,000 in itself. Or a few dollars for a civil ceremony. US government costs for her paperwork from beginning to naturalized US citizen done by an immigration lawyer can cost $10,000, likely more today. For my wife starting in 2006 to naturalized US citizen, done by an immigration lawyer cost about $14,000 and I got a discount. You'll save lots of money if you do it yourself and it can be done by the average American.   

Then there's the cost of an American education. How much of her Russian education will be accepted in the US? My wife had a Bsc in Math. Most of her education was accepted however since it was a decade old and lacked computer classes she had to do some computer classes and advanced math classes. Then she did a Msc. Total cost about $18,000 ending in 2010. Cost today about $26,000. Community college is cheaper as are trade schools for careers as a chef or hair stylist or electrician. If she wants to be a MD? Medical school in the US? Probably $250,000 and up. If she needs only English classes those costs can be free. In NYC there are many free classes for English learners for immigrants.

Other costs most men don't think about? What about transportation? Cost of a monthly bus pass or car? Metrocard in NYC is about $120/month. Cheap used car in NYC $3,000 and up. Yearly car insurance with decent coverage? $1,500 -$2,000. Driving lessons about $500. $1,000 if she knows nothing and is a slow learner.

What about food? Two can't eat as cheaply as one. I doubt our food costs doubled. Most times I ate out prior to marriage. Eating at home, for two, probably didn't cost more than my dining out for one. Your costs will vary. 

Then there's the cost of her clothes. We shipped most of her clothes and other valuables to the US. Cost about $1,200. If she arrives with just the clothes on her plus a couple of suitcases. It could be costly to fill her closets.

What about housing? Will she want to redecorate? Cost of a new bed at a minimum? $500. New house?

Those are some of the costs of bringing your new wife home. They are far from complete. As you can see, it might only cost $20,000 but will probably be much more.

and to say that in one sentence, to find her is not cheap, but once you married her and you bring her home is when the money starts rolling. ;)

I made a calculation in another thread, based in UK (or as for me Sweden) one weekend trip to Ukraine would be about $7-800 if you include everything and with a bit of planning ahead.

So of course it is cheaper from here but that is based on that you find the "one" on that first trip.. for me it took about 25 trips and ~150 days on the ground in Ukraine before I found mine.

25 trips á $1000, easy calculation.. and I spent a heck of a lot more then that.. up to about $50-70K by now in 4 years in just travels, accommodations and spending cash, but then again, I always looked on these trips as a vacation 'with perks'..
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 14, 2018, 01:32:11 PM
I'm curious..
If you think so.. then why are you on this 'quest'? you are anything but financially secure as has been established..

At the moment I am not financially secure but I reckon I could be in about a year's time. Till then I can't afford to waste time not looking for women.
Title: Re: Do you have to be rich ?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 14, 2018, 01:42:05 PM
A quick estimate is that I have probably spent about  £6-7k over these 2 and a half years at it. That is 5 times out there. It would probably be less than that were it not for the last girl so could probably knock up to 2K of that.

I know I haven't spent loads since I don't earn loads. I could have probably stayed in cheaper hotels though they weren't normally the most expensive but thought hey, since I can get goid quality hotels in Ukraine so cheap, why not. Most of the places I have stayed have been nice through careful selection rather than being at the very top end. I think it's a case of pace yourself along on this. Many of my trips were pretty much holidays also. Since I have seen the most touristy parts of the FSU now I will probably go more for the girl now.