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RWD Discussion Groups => Introductions and Ice-Breaker => Topic started by: DCcowboy on December 08, 2018, 06:47:47 PM

Title: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 08, 2018, 06:47:47 PM
Hey y'all, I am one of the few people in DC wearing cowboy boots with a suit. About 10 months ago I was looking for a significant other and stumbled across a thread praising Russian women, this got me interested. So I started looking, and eventually started communicating with a wonderful lady from Moscow a little over a month ago off of Elenasmodels. We moved from their forum to email, exchanging several pictures, but communication was difficult the free translators going from English to Russian must not be good. Then we moved too a ppl site, which we looked at several and settled on one together. This has worked well. We have been in almost daily communication. Then once a week we have started doing video calls. She does not speak English, but started English classes after we decided to give it a go and see where it leads. Although she speaks about 10-20 words we speak in our native tongues and chat about it later. Hearing each others voices has been good. I also started a babble account to learn Russian. She has already said she wants to visit me in March. That's me in a nut shell as it relates to this forum. BTW everything they say about Russian women is true. We are already referring to each other as boyfriend and girlfriend to others. She is kind, gracious, intelligent, family oriented, oh and beautiful (looks very similar to Katya Guseva)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: BillyB on December 08, 2018, 07:21:54 PM

Welcome to the forum DCcowboy. It's very difficult for an FSU woman to get a tourist visa to visit you. Has she already travelled to America in the past?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DaveNY on December 08, 2018, 07:25:42 PM
Hi DCcowboy welcome to RWD.

Lived in Moscow for 6 years good city, not as good as NYC but it's a great place to meet RW. As someone who's learned Russian my advice is to take classes to learn the alphabet and basic Russian from a native speaker unless you're gifted with languages learning from a professional will get you off to a good start. Being able to speak some Russian will go along way IMO to impress a RW. Perhaps learn what she likes to eat and cook for her when she visits and take her out for some Russian food while she's in DC.

As for her visiting you in March a piece of advice on getting her visa. IMO she shouldn't say she's going to DC to visit her boyfriend or a friend. Too much chance the embassy staff will reject her. When I was living in Moscow and married to my Russian wife, my wife was denied a visa to the US. Apparently spouses being denied visas to the US is not uncommon.

IMO your friend should say she's taking a vacation to the US to see Washington, the Capitol, White House, going to visit NYC, etc. This way the embassy staff will have less reason to believe she'll overstay her visa and remain in the US.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 08, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
BillyB, No, but she has a good career, and owns a apartment and evidently will not be putting on her visa that she is coming to meet her boyfriend. We are keeping are fingers crossed.

DaveNY, that is exactly what we were thinking, it is DC however!
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Davo2 on December 08, 2018, 07:56:08 PM
BillyB, No, but she has a good career, and owns a apartment and evidently will not be putting on her visa that she is coming to meet her boyfriend. We are keeping are fingers crossed.

DaveNY, that is exactly what we were thinking, it is DC however!

Welcome to the site,

I don't want to be negative or discourage you, but seriously think about visiting her first. I destroyed my chances with a great women by doing what you're  attempting.

We chatted everyday like you. She had excellent English, 4 uni degrees and a high paying job by Russian standards. She owned a luxury apartment outright and had extensive savings in the bank, to support her holiday. She had travelled to many European countries due to her job and also vacationed in countries such as Israel. She had two children in Russia, one in primary school and one in university. Her work gave supportive evidence for her tourist visa application stating that she held a vital role in the company and when she was expected to return. She also had documents stating her good character, from a high  school friend  who worked in our embassy in Moscow and now works for our government here.

Despite probably some of the best corroborating evidence any Russian woman could have for a visa, her  application was denied, due to lack of evidence she will return to Russia.  Being knocked back made her feel like a criminal (her words). She was bitterly disappointed, because she was so sure she would get the visa

I offered to meet in a 3rd country and we did manage to continue our online relationship for a month longer with no real ill effects, but I could sense she was still  annoyed. Eventually she lost her enthusiasm for "us" and it died a slow death.

We still plan to meet in several months, but I'm not holding out much hope as our relationship is nothing like it was before.

A secondary issue is once she has had one failed visa attempt it puts a red mark against her  next attempt. It's just not with the risk if you eventually plan to have a future together in your country.

All this could have been avoided , if I had listened to some of the members here and didn't think that what we had and her situation was special compared with all the other couples who have been unsuccessful, when trying to get a tourist visa before meeting in person.

My advice is to get on a plane as soon as you can..... another piece of advice I ignored and have probably paid the price for.


 
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 08, 2018, 08:31:52 PM
Davo2, It is not that I did not offer, one thing I have found is that RW seem to be strong willed and when they make their mind up about something, there is no talking them out of it. I will try again. She did tell me that she read those stories of denied visa. I am hoping because I live in one of those world tourist places that it helps. But I will try again. Thank you for sharing your story.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Davo2 on December 08, 2018, 08:37:50 PM
Davo2, It is not that I did not offer, one thing I have found is that RW seem to be strong willed and when they make their mind up about something, there is no talking them out of it. I will try again. She did tell me that she read those stories of denied visa. I am hoping because I live in one of those world tourist places that it helps. But I will try again. Thank you for sharing your story.

Hey I hope it works out for you. If it does, please make a detailed account here of how you pulled it off. If it doesn't jump on a plane asap, as I'm sure like in my case she'll be feeling very dejected.

Good luck  :)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 08, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
Thanks davo2. ;)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: LAman on December 09, 2018, 12:28:17 AM
Well DC, this sounds like a few girls I spoken to a few months back.

In 1 months time, you went from elena's, to personal email and finally to a ppl site? Now have daily communication and weekly video calls? May I ask what you are spending each week for this?


Not a good sign if girl doesn't want you to visit. Was it girl's recommendation for ppl site and you agreed?


If you want, play it out and see where it goes!!! Good luck!!
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on December 09, 2018, 03:48:42 AM
Cowboy time to cowboy up this is dating f s u not for the weak.  Buy a ticket and visa to Moscow tell her your arrival date and see how she looks after you.  If she fails look around at the women in Moscow.  A nice u s a boy will get eaten alive In the f s u.  I write this from a bath in the ukraine where my gf spoke no English before we met .  Our 3 rd week together in 3 months.  Everything written about failed visas to usa and UK is true.  Get your arse over there and find out if she's true anyone can be a key board Romeo and Juliet.  I have really started to wonder if this web site is for scared little betas 
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 08:05:41 AM
Thanks for the advice, but already decided to buy a ticket last night. I set my visit for middle of March, with work that is the soonest I could get free. I actually go after what I want, type A personally. But also don't want her to feel that I  dictating her life. And yes I know they say RW like to have a decisive man.

ppl Average $65 a week. This is helping her and me get comfortable with each other. We actually decided together on the ppl site amorousstory, it is the cheapest I could find. We also use the whatsup app, I just translate using Google translate into Russian and to English. She did not say she didn't want me to visit, she just wanted to try to come here first. We have very similar views on topics, I love her personality, similar tastes on food, and entertainment and not ignoring the fact she is beautiful. I am sure if it does not work and I am in Moscow it would not be a wasted visit.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on December 09, 2018, 09:10:47 AM
DC Welcome

Am I the only one slapping my forehead at your breaking THE #1 rule - DO NOT JOIN ppl sites.....

Matey, you are wasting your time and money - most of us have worn the t-shirt and wised up .......


HOW can you be chatting on WhatsApp and still paying for letters ...?

IF this seems harsh - it's supposed to ....  We're rooting for you ...  We're on your side ..... PLEASE listen...

You are going to end up being fleeced in Moscow

 






Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: ML on December 09, 2018, 10:45:54 AM
DC Welcome

Am I the only one slapping my forehead at your breaking THE #1 rule - DO NOT JOIN ppl sites.....

Matey, you are wasting your time and money - most of us have worn the t-shirt and wised up .......


HOW can you be chatting on WhatsApp and still paying for letters ...?

IF this seems harsh - it's supposed to ....  We're rooting for you ...  We're on your side ..... PLEASE listen...

You are going to end up being fleeced in Moscow

I agree with Moby and was also wondering why someone didn't wise him up.
I was too lazy and tired of doing it many times before to comment earlier.

Really surprising to see any half-way intelligent man doing this.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 10:53:35 AM
Thank you for the welcome.  :cluebat:
yeah I know that ppl sites are bad, but so is alcohol, but I still drink it. She did not speak English when we started. Now she is in English classes, and learning. So it is only meant to be a crutch. I did not intend on it continuing for ever. Maybe 2 months at the most. We are starting to use more whatsup app now. Thank God for Google translate I am only paying for translation one way on the ppl site.

How hard is it for single RW to get into Germany?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on December 09, 2018, 11:32:15 AM
Thank you for the welcome.  :cluebat:
yeah I know that ppl sites are bad, but so is alcohol, but I still drink it. She did not speak English when we started. Now she is in English classes, and learning.

Paying for the lessons ? ...



So it is only meant to be a crutch. I did not intend on it continuing for ever. Maybe 2 months at the most. We are starting to use more whatsup app now. Thank God for Google translate I am only paying for translation one way on the ppl site.

How hard is it for single RW to get into Germany?



http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-statistics-2017/ (http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-statistics-2017/)

I consider Iceland or Finland, first .... ;)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 09, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
DC -- you need to spend a lot of time on basic info available here on forum -- and as ML said above -it can get a little tedious repeating "advice" here.
So-- forget Germany -go see 'her" in her world.

On communication --  go to Viber -- it can give you 2 way near enough instant and the simplest translation -- you can see (both ways) talk and write etc.Recent upgrades make translation the simplest and easy ( yes-I know others do some or similar) and Viber is free.

On the PPL issue -- get off regardless --offer her the money in direct way if you think that is an issue.  I have written extensively about sites and why they simply cannot be trusted -- and telling you to keep using it is a major major worry!

That said--  some of the most notorious sites can make a contact --but --it could cost a small fortune to work your way into reality . Most-- and I empathise MOST guys will never survive that maze.Not saying your scenario is impossible -- but -- a lot of red flags there -or at least orange ones !

So-- she has discovered English recently?mmmm   Who is paying for the "lessons"?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 11:38:08 AM
Paying for the lessons ? ...
I tried, believe me... she will not accept it. She is paying.
She said she was raised that way. I have been successful at sending flowers but that's about all she would accept.

Thanks for the information on Viber we will give it a try.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 09, 2018, 11:40:49 AM
I tried, believe me... she will not accept it. She said she was raised that way. I have been successful at sending flowers but that's about all she would accept.

You sent flowers -How?
Direct to "her" address?   Or through the site?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 11:47:49 AM
Through the site. She did get them.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 11:56:48 AM
Thanks for the information on Viber we will give it a try.
hmmmmm. Just tried the Viber app they want to charge as much per minute as the ppl site charges per word. Yes cheaper but still not free ....whatsup is free.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on December 09, 2018, 12:05:36 PM
Skype has FREE translation for Russian


I THINK it is free -- but haven't tried it for a while

http://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34542/how-do-i-set-up-and-use-skype-translator (http://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34542/how-do-i-set-up-and-use-skype-translator)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Nightwish on December 09, 2018, 12:08:38 PM
hmmmmm. Just tried the Viber app they want to charge as much per minute as the ppl site charges per word. Yes cheaper but still not free ....whatsup is free.

You are looking at it wrong, Viber out is to make calls to a "normal number"

Viber is completely free same as whatsapp, with the + side that there is computer apps that works lika charm as well, both chat and voice and videocall
(though I don't believe the translation works through the desktop version)

Skype has built in translation that works in both phone and desktop version, and same here, completely free..
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 09, 2018, 12:23:55 PM
Through the site. She did get them.

You know this how?
She sent photo with flowers? Right?
You are going to say "yes" -- and guys here are rolling on the floor --crying.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 09, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
You are looking at it wrong, Viber out is to make calls to a "normal number"

Viber is completely free same as whatsapp, with the + side that there is computer apps that works lika charm as well, both chat and voice and videocall
(though I don't believe the translation works through the desktop version)

Skype has built in translation that works in both phone and desktop version, and same here, completely free..

Correct correct   & correct!! ;D
You can still translate via google on laptop .
Moby is also correct -- was using SKYPE  system a long time ago.
On Viber --I use phone simultaneously with computer to give the easiest translation.Often it is  easier for her to write faster in Ukrainian & Russian and let me figure it out from there .It is usually more complicated issues where clear understanding is required fast.
Viber updates are coming all the time and it has got better and better.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 01:09:52 PM
Ahhhh.... Just got that. Thanks guy's
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on December 09, 2018, 06:09:40 PM
Cowboy f date .  Straight to what app within the day.  Apartment in her town with in a fortnight.  Go halves on all bills.  You just paid the big bucks to get there.  Speaking little Russian you will be vulnerable see how she treats you. Best indication of her future ways of treating you
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
Cowboy f date .  Straight to what app within the day.  Apartment in her town with in a fortnight.  Go halves on all bills.  You just paid the big bucks to get there.  Speaking little Russian you will be vulnerable see how she treats you. Best indication of her future ways of treating you
Didn't get the first part of that James. There might different values, but I have been raised to always pay for a date. And yeah that's why I am trying to learn some Russian.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on December 09, 2018, 08:02:03 PM
Doing dutch with a FSU on the first dates ?

Wow..

A novel approach.. TC will be following James' technique and wondering where he's going wrong ;)

 
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 09, 2018, 08:06:33 PM
Doing dutch with a FSU on the first dates ?

Wow..

A novel approach.. TC will be following James' technique and wondering where he's going wrong ;)
Yeah that's what I said. I always pay for dates. Been raised that way....
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on December 09, 2018, 11:57:44 PM
Because I had the sense to date a well paid professional.  First half a week together I was paying all bills.  Suddenly second half of first week she started getting out her purse and paid for all the rest of the week.  Second week we went Dutch.  Third week I paid for my flight to kiev and she picked up all the bills  I even had to make sure I paid for my new Ukranian phone and sim. Writing this on the bus back from stanstead airport.  Week just gone I've been driven around seen the sights been to an orchestral concert.  Eaten in the top restaurants even though I suggested average ones.  Eaten delicious home made food.  I now realise why our first 2 weeks were outside the Ukraine we met her neighbours and work colleagues just by casual meeting and for someone like my g f that's a big deal .  So maybe I'll be posting on this site in 10 years time how well it all went or I blow out.  The g f is stunning to look at with a great personality and gets lots of male attention in Cyprus Egypt and the ukraine.  If I find a catch I'll post it here.  Oh there is a catch her mother doesn't like me
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Boethius on December 10, 2018, 12:11:54 AM
It’s Ukraine. Not the Ukraine.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: SteveInBoston on December 10, 2018, 01:28:29 AM
DC,

You started from Elena's Models, then to email, then to ppl site?

Usually people progress the other way.  How much were the flowers?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on December 10, 2018, 10:37:15 AM
For all of the members on here who 'groaned' when they read that you are on a PPL, you should know that your gal gets paid for you to be there.   Am curious to know who suggested that you use a PPL to communicate?

Welcome to the forum,  but you have some reading up to do. 

Any woman that recommended that you go from a subscription site (Elena's Models) to a PPL site is probably scamming you.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on December 10, 2018, 10:51:54 AM
Exactly a good woman would be saving you money to spend on a real meeting.  F dating is the only real site I can see where money does not change hands.  Sadly u s a in particular is a rules society as is UK to a lesser extent and on any of the pay sites you are just paying to get your ego massaged
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
DC,

You started from Elena's Models, then to email, then to ppl site?

Usually people progress the other way.  How much were the flowers?
Yes. Interesting, $50.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 03:09:50 PM
For all of the members on here who 'groaned' when they read that you are on a PPL, you should know that your gal gets paid for you to be there.   Am curious to know who suggested that you use a PPL to communicate?

Welcome to the forum,  but you have some reading up to do. 

Any woman that recommended that you go from a subscription site (Elena's Models) to a PPL site is probably scamming you.
I initially suggested as I could see it was fustrating for her to communicate.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 03:13:31 PM
Because I had the sense to date a well paid professional.  First half a week together I was paying all bills.  Suddenly second half of first week she started getting out her purse and paid for all the rest of the week.  Second week we went Dutch.  Third week I paid for my flight to kiev and she picked up all the bills  I even had to make sure I paid for my new Ukranian phone and sim. Writing this on the bus back from stanstead airport.  Week just gone I've been driven around seen the sights been to an orchestral concert.  Eaten in the top restaurants even though I suggested average ones.  Eaten delicious home made food.  I now realise why our first 2 weeks were outside the Ukraine we met her neighbours and work colleagues just by casual meeting and for someone like my g f that's a big deal .  So maybe I'll be posting on this site in 10 years time how well it all went or I blow out.  The g f is stunning to look at with a great personality and gets lots of male attention in Cyprus Egypt and the ukraine.  If I find a catch I'll post it here.  Oh there is a catch her mother doesn't like me
Could never stomach going dutch, or even letting her pick up the bill, I make more than triple what she makes in USD. That would just feel wrong. Sorry if you disagree.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on December 10, 2018, 03:42:09 PM
I initially suggested as I could see it was fustrating for her to communicate.

Then simply tell her of the other options available to you/her and tell her it is costing you $65 a week, presently, to talk to her.   Any honest woman would not want a man who is communicating with her to spend that money unless she had nefarious reasons to do so.   (Before I go off the deep end, let's give her the benefit of the doubt and chalk this all up to inexperience.)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DaveNY on December 10, 2018, 04:47:27 PM
Then simply tell her of the other options available to you/her and tell her it is costing you $65 a week, presently, to talk to her.   Any honest woman would not want a man who is communicating with her to spend that money unless she had nefarious reasons to do so.   (Before I go off the deep end, let's give her the benefit of the doubt and chalk this all up to inexperience.)

Don't know how true it is but I've been told on PPL sites the company monitors all letters/emails and any that suggest moving off the site are censored or not passed on. Again don't know if it's true but would make sense.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 10, 2018, 04:55:50 PM
Don't know how true it is but I've been told on PPL sites the company monitors all letters/emails and any that suggest moving off the site are censored or not passed on. Again don't know if it's true but would make sense.

It is correct --but any system has flaws !
If there is a will -there are ways !
The first problem is that botched attempts to beat the system will create ongoing interest & observation .
And-- there is usually a mechanism  to pay for direct contact details --  which realistically -- can be a good deal .

The whole issue put the girls credibility in play -- so there are a lot of reasons to push moving off site asap.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on December 10, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
Is very true.  However, he had her contact information prior to the initiation of PPL.   So, in this case, he can reach out to her on multiple communication channels.

When we were playing with PPL sites and wanted to get a gal's email, we just parsed our email address into multiple messages.  If the girl was too dumb to get it, we knew she was a paid employee of an agency.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 07:08:08 PM
Then simply tell her of the other options available to you/her and tell her it is costing you $65 a week, presently, to talk to her.   Any honest woman would not want a man who is communicating with her to spend that money unless she had nefarious reasons to do so.   (Before I go off the deep end, let's give her the benefit of the doubt and chalk this all up to inexperience.)
Did it tonight, I know she is being honest with me though, I sent her a message translated with Google translate and the exact same message in the site. That will take care of a censorship and see how will Google is translating. Because I know the site is translating correctly.  I also told I have spent a lot on the site and would rather spent it on her or our meeting.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 07:09:24 PM
Don't know how true it is but I've been told on PPL sites the company monitors all letters/emails and any that suggest moving off the site are censored or not passed on. Again don't know if it's true but would make sense.
checking that right now.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 07:11:07 PM
Is very true.  However, he had her contact information prior to the initiation of PPL.   So, in this case, he can reach out to her on multiple communication channels.

When we were playing with PPL sites and wanted to get a gal's email, we just parsed our email address into multiple messages.  If the girl was too dumb to get it, we knew she was a paid employee of an agency.
did that tonight via site and duplicate email. I have also been able to verify what she is telling me is true....... I do trust her.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 07:20:22 PM
So I have been able to verify her multiple ways. Google is your friend. I have also verified through a independent social web site completely unrelated to her. So unless she has some very high connections she would not be where I saw her. I know some of you have been burned before, and it is probably 90% of the time. But this is a honest lady. Not all Russian women are gaming men. I mean come on..... She wants to pay to come visit me. Not asking me too pay for her visa or plane or even hotel until I insisted on paying for that. So grab a  :popcorn: and enjoy the "train wreck". I know you guys mean well. And appreciate it immensely. But please stop stereotyping. And please stop beating :deadhorse:. Thank you for the advice.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on December 10, 2018, 07:23:31 PM
Hey, you'll find most of the guys on the forum are cautious, yet optimistic.   I don't think this will be a train wreck.   But some of the initial signals were ones of caution.   It is nice to see you wade through them and still be on track.

Udachi.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 10, 2018, 07:41:03 PM
Hey, you'll find most of the guys on the forum are cautious, yet optimistic.   I don't think this will be a train wreck.   But some of the initial signals were ones of caution.   It is nice to see you wade through them and still be on track.

Udachi.
thank you.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: BillyB on December 10, 2018, 07:50:45 PM
She wants to pay to come visit me. Not asking me too pay for her visa or plane or even hotel until I insisted on paying for that.


Let her pay to come see you. If she comes, great. If she asks for money the day she's supposed to arrive because she's stuck at the airport, don't send it.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: rwd123 on December 10, 2018, 11:32:22 PM
Nah.

Fly to Moscow. Leave one weekend, return the next. You're going in low season and Aeroflot have direct flights from DC.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on December 11, 2018, 01:17:37 AM
So another 3 months before you visit Moscow 900$ on web site.  Much more fun to make stick drawings and send them as photos on whats app.  How are you going to communicate face to face ?  Buy multiple pads and make some stick drawings.  Also in my experience just hold hands and she will show you around.  For that 900$ you could jump on a plane for a long weekend right now 
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: LAman on December 11, 2018, 01:20:47 AM
Thanks for the advice, but already decided to buy a ticket last night. I set my visit for middle of March, with work that is the soonest I could get free. I actually go after what I want, type A personally. But also don't want her to feel that I  dictating her life. And yes I know they say RW like to have a decisive man.

ppl Average $65 a week. This is helping her and me get comfortable with each other. We actually decided together on the ppl site amorousstory, it is the cheapest I could find. We also use the whatsup app, I just translate using Google translate into Russian and to English. She did not say she didn't want me to visit, she just wanted to try to come here first. We have very similar views on topics, I love her personality, similar tastes on food, and entertainment and not ignoring the fact she is beautiful. I am sure if it does not work and I am in Moscow it would not be a wasted visit.


DC, this site I spoke of earlier is similar to amorousstory, it is http://youandme-we.com/. It uses same professional translation service company, Online-Translator.biz.

Main page on both is 2 pieces of jigsaw puzzle with you & me on each piece.

Several girls suggested to use this youandme for our communication. They were adamant that using google translate were too difficult for them. Beautiful young black haired gals, 3, all from Moscow. I joined to check it out. 6 cents per word( discounts if putting more money into account). I still get letters from girls yet don't visit site at all.


Since I go to Moscow often, I suggested meeting them in Moscow, didn't go well.

Not saying the gal you speak to is same but does have some similarities.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 11, 2018, 01:37:54 AM

DC, this site I spoke of earlier is similar to amorousstory, it is http://youandme-we.com/. It uses same professional translation service company, Online-Translator.biz.

Main page on both is 2 pieces of jigsaw puzzle with you & me on each piece.

Several girls suggested to use this youandme for our communication. They were adamant that using google translate were too difficult for them. Beautiful young black haired gals, 3, all from Moscow. I joined to check it out. 6 cents per word( discounts if putting more money into account). I still get letters from girls yet don't visit site at all.


Since I go to Moscow often, I suggested meeting them in Moscow, didn't go well.

Not saying the gal you speak to is same but does have some similarities.

OP has not addressed my comments -- funny how guys are happy to indulge the backslappers and high fivers but ignore words of caution  !!

LAman ,You are  amongst the guys now with the real world exposure that gets all this -- the funny thing is how guys chose to ignore what is harder to digest.
It is a long line of shooting stars that get burnt and forget to return to tell us their story.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 11, 2018, 03:37:42 PM
OP has not addressed my comments -- funny how guys are happy to indulge the backslappers and high fivers but ignore words of caution  !!

LAman ,You are  amongst the guys now with the real world exposure that gets all this -- the funny thing is how guys chose to ignore what is harder to digest.
It is a long line of shooting stars that get burnt and forget to return to tell us their story.
I told her how much I am spending on translation, and her response was to offer me money to pay for the translation. So this makes me doubt she is making money off the translation service. Besides I know for a fact she does not need the money. I have no reason to not believe she is who she says she is. We agreed I will write shorter messages and not as often. Why would she do this if it was a scam? It seems to me she would be encouraging me to write more. If it is a scam I will be sure to post up. I just realized why I got off forum's.

LA thank you for the information, I will tread with great caution. Since I joined the ppl site I get emails all the time from other women. I just ignore them.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 11, 2018, 04:22:27 PM
I told her how much I am spending on translation, and her response was to offer me money to pay for the translation. So this makes me doubt she is making money off the translation service. Besides I know for a fact she does not need the money. I have no reason to not believe she is who she says she is. We agreed I will write shorter messages and not as often. Why would she do this if it was a scam? It seems to me she would be encouraging me to write more. If it is a scam I will be sure to post up. I just realized why I got off forum's.

LA thank you for the information, I will tread with great caution. Since I joined the ppl site I get emails all the time from other women. I just ignore them.

Before  you get your knickers in a twist -go back and read ALL my comments -- and try answering them.
I do not think anyone reading here is believing 100% in your case --there are some real questions. If you want a cheer squad to applaud you - wrong place.-- the bottom line is the forum can help you a lot more than you add to the forum.


ps  telling her how much you are spending is a really dumb thing to do
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 11, 2018, 04:55:11 PM
I answered enough, but thanks, I actually never meant this to go this deep, or this much information. I appreciate the information y'all have given. I don't need a cheerleader by the way.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2018, 05:41:35 PM
 :welcome: DC

I haven't contributed yet so I will say this to you - on this venture sometimes you just have to go over there and get thd experience. Without any experience in the FSU of dating its difficult to see where members are coming from when they give you advice. To see where they are coming from you need a context to fit it into, experiencs of what went right and wrong on dating outings in the FSU.

I think at this stage you need to get the experience. If you can move up the travel to visit her approximately a month from now. Book yourself into a decent hotel in Moscow and you hire out a terp (your choice of terp NOT hers) and find our about this lady. Investing months longer of time & money on internet messaging is silly until you arrive there and determine if there is chemistry. This will able to be dwtermined within the first 15 minutes or less of meeting.

Normally I wouldn't visit a lady in the winter but I think in this situation you have already fired thd starting gun and it is in your interest to now move on this one quick. If you time it right you could hit their festive Christmas period (Orthodox calender) and it will be a classic festive Russian snowy all lights shining Christmas theme over there :)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: LAman on December 11, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
I told her how much I am spending on translation, and her response was to offer me money to pay for the translation. So this makes me doubt she is making money off the translation service. Besides I know for a fact she does not need the money. I have no reason to not believe she is who she says she is. We agreed I will write shorter messages and not as often. Why would she do this if it was a scam? It seems to me she would be encouraging me to write more. If it is a scam I will be sure to post up. I just realized why I got off forum's.

LA thank you for the information, I will tread with great caution. Since I joined the ppl site I get emails all the time from other women. I just ignore them.


Good to proceed with caution. I always question things as they proceed( in my mind).

Not good idea to tell girl how much you are spending, most likely she will think you are cheap. Maybe that is why she offered to pay?

I am not so sure it is a scam and girl is getting paid somehow. But I could never figure out girl motives other than she didn't want to put more time and effort to communicate.
Most girl's I have found, with any level of English comprehension, have communicated in English language, whether it be viber, WhatsApp, skype or emails.

I am curious this girl's response to you telling her you are visiting in March. She may not get time off.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2018, 07:00:55 PM
DC could see the girl in the evenings and at the weekend or outside whatever her work hours are. Some do work long hours and it's best to make sure he can see her for a few hours here or there. For the rest of the time he could do tourist stuff or date other women. He may get there and find her no good in which case spending time with he'd would no longer be a concern. There's worse places to be stuck than Moscow :D

I'm currently communicating with a girl in Belarus with hardly any English language skills. Our of the girls I have meg with poor English skills she really is on the virtually non existent end. Not often a girl is that devoid of English language skills but it happens. She's as sound as a pound though :)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 11, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
Trench coat, I would love to do what you are suggesting, but with what I do for a living, there is absolutely no way possible. I am extremely curious, I would live to be able to drop in like that, I even have the money to do that. She is even going to her parents for the holidays, give me a chance to meet them. But trust me when I say, it would have huge consequences. And thank you for not asking questions. Not sure that was intentional.
LA she has no English skills. Her response was if her visa did not come through, she would welcome my visit and would take time off work, as she was already planning it to come visit me. But understands I am working on a huge project and can't take alot of time off, that is one of the reasons she wanted to come to me.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: ML on December 11, 2018, 07:14:16 PM
Just some facts here.

1. It doesn't mean that FSU gals are not insincere or not scammers just because they don't ask you for money.  There is extensive word of mouth from other FSU gals and even lessons wherein they are advised not to ask for money because it is well known that many (most) western men are generous and eventually they will offer to give the gal money anyway.

2. It doesn't mean that FSU gals are not insincere or not scammers just because they tell you that they want to pay their own way to come visit you in your country or meet in a third country.  There is extensive word of mouth from other FSU gals and even lessons wherein they are advised to tell that they will pay because it is well known that many (most) western men are generous and eventually they will offer to give the gal money to pay for the trip anyway.

3.  It doesn't mean that FSU gals are not insincere or not scammers just because they don't ask for you to pay for English lessons for them. There is extensive word of mouth from other FSU gals and even lessons wherein they are advised not to ask man to pay for English lessons because it is well known that many (most) western men are generous and eventually they will offer to give the gal money to pay for the English lessons anyway.

4. It doesn't mean that FSU gals are not insincere or not scammers just because they don't ask you to buy them a new I-phone or computer.  There is extensive word of mouth from other FSU gals and even lessons wherein they are advised not to ask for such because it is well known that many (most) western men are generous and eventually they will offer to give the gal money to buy these items anyway.

5. The insincere and scammer gals are much more informed and savvy than are most of the western guys who undertake this venture.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 11, 2018, 07:16:11 PM
Just some facts here.


5. The insincere and scammer gals are much more informed and savvy than are most of the western guys who undertake this venture.



Boom boom !!!!! :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 11, 2018, 07:33:53 PM
I used to have, emphasize used to, friend that is a cop, knew him since middle school all the way into our thirties. We did everything together, I mean everything. Best of friends. Until one day we were at HD and he tackled this guy he thought was stealing a some expensive electrical circuit breaker. He had been conditioned because he was always around bad people to start thinking everyone was bad. The guy had brought it from home for comparison btw. Although great advice you are giving, some of you come across this way too me.

I am not stupid and know there are a lot of scammers out there, believe me I have met more than my share. But I have chosen to try to see the good in people before assuming they are scammers. I have met some women that as young girls it is not what they choose todo it was circumstances that put them on that path. Can I loose alot of money? Yeah. As long as I am not communicating with Boris, then I am good, and this lady, I have been able to corroborate her story.

Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: ML on December 11, 2018, 08:03:33 PM
But I have chosen to try to see the good in people before assuming they are scammers.

Note:  No one here (I think) is telling you that your current gal or any other gal you might get involved with is a scammer.  And no one is telling you to assume any particular gal is a scammer.

However, nothing this gal has told you and nothing you have told us about this gal indicates she is not insincere . . . since those gals are well trained on how to conceal their end game.

You really won't know . . . until you have met her, spent many days with her on first trip, and many days with her on subsequent trips.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: ML on December 11, 2018, 08:16:22 PM
And one example of just how hard it is to know if you have a sincere gal or not.

Met a gal on a WMVM visit.
Returned to meet with her exclusively.
She came to live with me in my rented apartment in her city.
One day she returned home to me from work, and handed me an envelope containing several hundred USD and Euros . . . but it was not counted out by she or I.
She asked me to keep the money in my apartment as one of her neighbors had been robbed.
Later, we went to theatre and forgot to take her money with us.
As we were leaving theatre, she said she needed to go directly to her own apartment, and I should go back to my apartment where the money was.

I thought . . . oh, oh . . . she can return later and claim that there was X amount more in the envelope than she had actually left with me.

Police would come . . . I would go off to jail and be in for a nightmare.

So I insisted that she come back to my apartment and spend the night.
I didn't tell her my specific reasoning, but she probably figured it out.
Next morning, I counted out the money and had her indicate amount and sign on the envelope.

End result . . . she was a super great gal and never caused me any trouble.
She was NOT in any way insincere or a scammer . . . but you can never know for certain ahead of time.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on December 11, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
I used to have, emphasize used to, friend that is a cop, knew him since middle school all the way into our thirties. We did everything together, I mean everything. Best of friends. Until one day we were at HD and he tackled this guy he thought was stealing a some expensive electrical circuit breaker. He had been conditioned because he was always around bad people to start thinking everyone was bad. The guy had brought it from home for comparison btw. Although great advice you are giving, some of you come across this way too me.

I am not stupid and know there are a lot of scammers out there, believe me I have met more than my share. But I have chosen to try to see the good in people before assuming they are scammers. I have met some women that as young girls it is not what they choose todo it was circumstances that put them on that path. Can I loose alot of money? Yeah. As long as I am not communicating with Boris, then I am good, and this lady, I have been able to corroborate her story.

I have an acquaintance of mine.  Kind of a doofus.  He went to meet a woman from Russia around 2006.   Married her.  Brought her back to Southern California.   A couple of years ago we met by chance and I asked him whatever happened to his wife.   He said that she left him the day she got her green card.   He was quite bitter about the whole adventure and mentioned that she was living the high life in San Francisco and that, while they lived together for four years, she had always planned to move out on him when she was legal.

The point that I am making is that you need to see inside the person you are with.   And understand what makes her tick.   Many people don't do that even with their Western wives.   But you will know the goodness and kindness that makes up your woman.   If she is good and kind then it is likely she will be marrying for the right reasons.

No matter what, it is always a crap shoot.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: BillyB on December 11, 2018, 09:34:22 PM
I told her how much I am spending on translation, and her response was to offer me money to pay for the translation.


She knows most guys aren't going to accept her money so she knew your answer already and it works good for her since you'll believe she's a good woman.

When a man complains about the price of something when it involves his woman, it's a turn off for most FSU women. If she's got money and can travel to you, it's a bigger turn off. She's offered to pay big to see you and you're complaining about the cost of translation.

If a woman likes you, she'd try to save your money. Her answer to pay you for translation is the wrong response or a test.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Continue to communicate with and date lots of women in case this doesn't pan out. Some guys insist on one woman at a time only to realize they wasted months of their life on her.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on December 11, 2018, 10:26:57 PM
I told her how much I am spending on translation, and her response was to offer me money to pay for the translation. So this makes me doubt she is making money off the translation service. Besides I know for a fact she does not need the money. I have no reason to not believe she is who she says she is. We agreed I will write shorter messages and not as often. Why would she do this if it was a scam? It seems to me she would be encouraging me to write more. If it is a scam I will be sure to post up. I just realized why I got off forum's.

LA thank you for the information, I will tread with great caution. Since I joined the ppl site I get emails all the time from other women. I just ignore them.

GET ON A PLANE!   Now!

Am curious as to why when Skype offers free translation service - and it is as good as the PPLs, and it is free, why would you not switch to it?   The end result of your conversation, no matter how you couch it, is that you're still paying for a PPL service.   Were it me, I would simply say:  Let's talk on Skype.   (But I never would have gone to PPL in the first place.)

Do the math:  Three months of talking on PPL equals one round trip plane ticket to Moscow.   

I will tell you something that may make sense to you.   Moscow is a single flight from many US cities.   You can get your visa, leave on a Thursday night, get there Sat morning, leave on Monday afternoon.   A long weekend will go a long way to understand if you have chemistry.   If you can't get away for a Friday and a Monday, then you really shouldn't be entertaining meeting such a woman.

You see, chemistry is everything in this endeavor.   You have no idea, right now, whether the two of you will succeed.   Once you meet.  Hold her in your arms.  Kiss her.   Then you will have a good idea.   The rest of this is just mental masturbation.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2018, 10:59:12 PM
I suggested the same Jone that DC would be best of getting on a plane BUT he is apparently locked down with a major project at work and the girl would find it tricky taking time of at the moment too apparently. I respect his answer that he is too locked down to get out there. Sure he might be able to do visa, flight, etc just to be there a day or so at say a weekend but it's a big outlay for meagre  time out there.

On that score IF there is chemistry it is worth it, bit if not it has all been a log of time, effort and expense for a something that would probably feel like a bollock kicking given all the trouble that would probably see as much time travelling as feet on the ground.

That's the big problem with just chatting to girls online in FSU Dating. Normally one pops up ever so often/few weeks and the want to visit from one if not both sides becomes pressing. It's then a case of an impromptu visit to one girl - a visit one - VO. It's why I don't message girls usually over the winter period, I know I don't want to travel then and I want to move on a girl straight away if we seem to wish it. How I would love to break the boredom sometimes by messaging a foxy girl over winter bit I know that would end in the urge to meet.

I'm messaging with one girl on a slow basis at the moment and I've told her I'm planning a visit in thd Spring. If I do go to visit her though I will do it as a VM. I've done a fair few VO outings now to realise that it's just too random for my liking. Many good FSW but not all are suitable and it's good to have a choice too I think.

I think BillyB gives some great advice above and is worth noting :)
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on December 12, 2018, 01:20:11 AM
Also you met on a dating site.  Not introduced by friends.  Those other guys who are prepared to visit in December or January must be looking good.  I have no problem with the fact my g f was talking to many.  I got on a plane and sealed the deal.  Obviously I keep an eye out for bad behaviour now.  My g f is an 8 so men are hitting on her all the time I just am the best option.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 12, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
Thank you for the advice. It is good recommendation. Like I said I can't drop everything and leave, believe me I want to but can't, if I lost my really good job, that would not be any good for me or her.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on December 12, 2018, 01:51:52 PM
A long weekend is not ditching work.   As I stated above, you have nothing currently.   Everything is in the meeting.   And you are flying halfway around the world for, essentially, a blind date.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: ML on December 12, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
A long weekend is not ditching work.   As I stated above, you have nothing currently.   Everything is in the meeting.   And you are flying halfway around the world for, essentially, a blind date.

I am not in favor of weekend or even long-weekend trips for guys from USA.

The guy will be totally out of it, so increases the chances of miscommunications and misunderstandings while the two are together.

And while a short time together might show that they are incompatible, it will not show that they are really compatible.  This latter case (seeming compatibility) will just get the guy and gal further enamored, leading to more pain when things ultimately don't work out.

So a lot of money, just to prove incompatible.

Much better to do a lengthy WMVM trip.

Short trips might be OK for European guys, but not for USA, Canadian, and AUS/NZ guys.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 12, 2018, 04:33:59 PM
Also you met on a dating site.  Not introduced by friends.  Those other guys who are prepared to visit in December or January must be looking good.  I have no problem with the fact my g f was talking to many.  I got on a plane and sealed the deal.  Obviously I keep an eye out for bad behaviour now.  My g f is an 8 so men are hitting on her all the time I just am the best option.

Is your gf living in the FSU while you are living in the UK?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 12, 2018, 04:47:40 PM
I think DC has already made the mistake of communication with girl too long before he can visit. He's probably going to just have to live with it and have a long lead up time to the meet up in three months or whatever. It's doable but so often a pain. If he's getting attached to seeing her lie it sounds he is its a wrench having to wait it out. If he wasn't feeling as attached he could wait it out easier particularly if girl was not real enthusiastic with her communication. He's just going to have to stick it out and have as much fun with it he can. The PPL cost stuff he's kind of got himself stuck into that one. Unless he's willing to ditch the girl or say to her to put up with online translation then there's not much he can do with that one. He's choice really and I guess he's got the money for it not to be a worry anyway even if it turns out to be an expensive lesson.

I guess DC's situation is kind of like a US presidential candidate deciding too early to announce their running for President. Essentially they have to carry it a long way then they really need to.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on December 12, 2018, 05:30:08 PM
I am not in favor of weekend or even long-weekend trips for guys from USA.

The guy will be totally out of it, so increases the chances of miscommunications and misunderstandings while the two are together.

And while a short time together might show that they are incompatible, it will not show that they are really compatible.  This latter case (seeming compatibility) will just get the guy and gal further enamored, leading to more pain when things ultimately don't work out.

So a lot of money, just to prove incompatible.

Much better to do a lengthy WMVM trip.

Short trips might be OK for European guys, but not for USA, Canadian, and AUS/NZ guys.

Yeah,but!   ML --the guy has already assured us that she is hot for him and he has an established relationship -bar the one issue -they have not actually met!!!!!!


So a couple of days there to consummate the relationship should be fine :cheesy:



a fwiw -- I do not agree that a weekend is a waste of time -it is long enough to get a start-so to speak. In this case -the guy will spend more on his definite maybe if he waits .Going can take all the negatives out -- and who knows-maybe light a fire !
On the travelling issue -how old are these guys -100 yo?   FCS- sitting on your backside napping for 10 hours or so from the US is a nothing.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 12, 2018, 07:52:01 PM
A FSW loses nothing by being real enthusiastic over guys that peek her interest. If he arrives and there is nothing and she has better things to do she'll drop him like a hot potatoe. Western Men bear the cost of the travelling so we need to consider the effort we're making also. I think most newbies myself included get excited when a FSW takes interest, I know I did. Compared to the miserable state of online dating in the west it's like a dream. Thing is after a while we learn to compose ourselves more. We know on meeting even the best online communication can come to nothing. DC may have the right girl for him here or he may not. Looks to me he needs to make his decisions and like the rest of us learn as he goes.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on December 12, 2018, 11:46:17 PM
Looks to me he needs to make his decisions and like the rest of us learn as he goes.

I see NO evidence of you having  learnt anything, yet !!



I have no idea about the UK / FSU dating scene - but moist of those married to FSU W or in LTR's keep telling you they had no problem finding a date at home, either .....

Let's say you manage to persuade a good looking lass to come to the UK ..do you think she'll leave you because she'll see richer, better looking guys ....   

What are you going to do - keep her locked up at home ?   I've read you suggest you will get her pregnant and she'll feel 'tied' to you ..... by having a child with you ...   

I have news for you ..Women talk and you'd find that the coffee mornings and play group sessions would make it clear that other husbands are 'different' ... so you'd better not let the kids out either ... :wallbash:

You really seem to have issues with women, in general
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 13, 2018, 03:40:02 PM
I see NO evidence of you having  learnt anything, yet !!



I have no idea about the UK / FSU dating scene - but moist of those married to FSU W or in LTR's keep telling you they had no problem finding a date at home, either .....

Let's say you manage to persuade a good looking lass to come to the UK ..do you think she'll leave you because she'll see richer, better looking guys ....   

What are you going to do - keep her locked up at home ?   I've read you suggest you will get her pregnant and she'll feel 'tied' to you ..... by having a child with you ...   

I have news for you ..Women talk and you'd find that the coffee mornings and play group sessions would make it clear that other husbands are 'different' ... so you'd better not let the kids out either ... :wallbash:

You really seem to have issues with women, in general

I've learnt a lot Mobe, guys on here such as BillyB, 2tallbill & Krimster have really helped me out a lot. In addition I have learnt from my experiences out in the FSW. Now I know guys like you Mobe rely on your rich man's ticket to secure a girl who will kiss up to you and the FSU have many women that will do that. For me though I go into this as a regular guy. This year I'm quite confident of a positive outcome. Im feeling I'm getting a good idea of my way around the FSU dating game. I think I may even have some moves that you are unaware off ;D
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Boethius on December 13, 2018, 06:05:15 PM
mobe has posted in the past that he is not rich.


Your post indicates a level of misogyny that will ensure you will continue to fail in the FSU.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on December 13, 2018, 07:41:42 PM
Back to our regularly scheduled program. ME. She is pressing forward to get her visa to come visit. I hope she does because as stated I am way to busy at work to break away for a weekend trip. We will see how it goes. I will keep you updated. If she visits and things go well I already am planning on visiting this summer basically three months after she visits. and probably again three months after that.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on December 13, 2018, 11:26:36 PM
mobe has posted in the past that he is not rich.

Thank you, Boethius ... Our TC never pays attention

When we go to the nice plays you see - it really does involve research re a project we're investing in
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: John Gaunt on December 14, 2018, 02:28:20 AM
I see NO evidence of you having  learnt anything, yet !!



I have no idea about the UK / FSU dating scene - but moist of those married to FSU W or in LTR's keep telling you they had no problem finding a date at home, either .....

Let's say you manage to persuade a good looking lass to come to the UK ..do you think she'll leave you because she'll see richer, better looking guys ....   

What are you going to do - keep her locked up at home ?   I've read you suggest you will get her pregnant and she'll feel 'tied' to you ..... by having a child with you ...   

I have news for you ..Women talk and you'd find that the coffee mornings and play group sessions would make it clear that other husbands are 'different' ... so you'd better not let the kids out either ... :wallbash:

You really seem to have issues with women, in general
There’s not much I agree on with Moby but this post is bang on.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on January 17, 2019, 05:08:37 PM
Unfortunately 😔 red flags just went up. I know she is a private person, but red flags just went up. I asked her a simple question of the name of the company she worked and she replied that there are things we won't know about each other but when we are a family we will know everything and that was a ways out. Not sure how to reply especially when I told her who I exactly work for.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: LAman on January 17, 2019, 06:39:31 PM
Unfortunately 😔 red flags just went up. I know she is a private person, but red flags just went up. I asked her a simple question of the name of the company she worked and she replied that there are things we won't know about each other but when we are a family we will know everything and that was a ways out. Not sure how to reply especially when I told her who I exactly work for.


but, but, but...…. she's a '14' !!! )))


Red Flag is to be into someone before really knowing them.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: ML on January 17, 2019, 07:39:45 PM
Unfortunately 😔 red flags just went up. I know she is a private person, but red flags just went up. I asked her a simple question of the name of the company she worked and she replied that there are things we won't know about each other but when we are a family we will know everything and that was a ways out. Not sure how to reply especially when I told her who I exactly work for.

I don't think it is necessarily a red flag.
One mistake is thinking that because person A tells person B about his/her situation X, that person B must also tell about his/her situation X.
Some people are prone to blab on and on about their various situations, while others are more cautious.
Now if B asked A about his/her situation X, then that is different.

Where a person works can be a very sensitive issue.
I certainly tell very few persons exactly my work situations.
I try to be as vague as possible saying I consult for various firms who are investigating many other firms and projects.

Big reason when dealing with potential romantic partners is you don't want them trying to contact your firm for ANY reason.  And since romances often go south . . . sometimes one person tries to cause as much trouble as he/she can to the former romancer.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 17, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
Unfortunately 😔 red flags just went up. I know she is a private person, but red flags just went up. I asked her a simple question of the name of the company she worked and she replied that there are things we won't know about each other but when we are a family we will know everything and that was a ways out. Not sure how to reply especially when I told her who I exactly work for.

DON'T REPLY. Doing so will likely be a downhill slope from there on out. FSW love to f around with WM's minds I think. Often there is nothing to it but they don't realise they freak WM out by taking up certain positions on things that make us think the worst. If you ask her you'll most likely hit a brick wall, it will be a pointless act.

End of the day until you're in long term deep with a girl stuff like where she works is a bit by the by. A job's a job, I wouldn't pay too much attention to it. Just press on with the relationship and avoid bringing it up, it will just stir things up more, let her tell you in her own good time which is probably what she'll do down the road at some point.

With a bit of luck it won't be that she's on the game ;D
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 17, 2019, 09:53:48 PM
Exactly most woman have experienced some idiot make Romeo making fools of themselves and her at her  workplace.  Also she's fighting for her position as alpha in your relationship.  The person giving the least information away is alpha.  So dc enjoy the train wreck that s coming
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: southernX on January 17, 2019, 11:08:51 PM
Quote
Unfortunately 😔 red flags just went up. I know she is a private person, but red flags just went up. I asked her a simple question of the name of the company she worked and she replied that there are things we won't know about each other but when we are a family we will know everything and that was a ways out. Not sure how to reply especially when I told her who I exactly work for.


no red flag that i can see , generally they are much more private and wont disclose all their personal information to anyone but very close people in their lives , even then it may still be kepy to themselves

the work place is or can be very private , that is her lifeline to survival , and she may well protect its privacy until she knows you can be trusted and have earnt that trust over time

dont judge her by what is normal in your life experiences  . she may also be a bit introverted

. learn more before you judge incorrectly imo , continue on with the usual general cautions at play

SX
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on January 18, 2019, 01:06:39 AM
DON'T REPLY.

Well, that's it, then

What ever Trench 'advises' - do the opposite
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 18, 2019, 02:08:43 AM
Well, that's it, then

What ever Trench 'advises' - do the opposite

All depends on what result DC wants as it was for James. If the guy comes on here wanting to make a go of it with the girl, I'll say to him what I feel is the best way to go for that. I've had a difficult FSW and time over again I would have dealt with that differently but I learnt what I needed to learn. DC can either learn the way I did and mess things up with the girl or try my suggestion which I believe is the best way forward, up to him. He may decide not to do what I suggest but instead to push her for an answer. I think the more he does this the more damage he'll do to the relationship and if he does it enough it will fall apart. He may just decide he is better of trying to find out from her that's up to him. I'm just saying what I reckon on it all, and you Mobers?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on January 18, 2019, 02:48:27 AM
Trench,

You FSU W experiences have been fails because you are difficult and your little brain ruled.

By what you post on here  I can see you have learnt nought and your advice sucks ..

The one disastrous trip I had had from a dating point of view was because my Russian sucked and the lady wanted me to live in Russia as her parents were ill.

Most of your 'advice' is that of a clueless misongynist. ...



Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on January 18, 2019, 03:01:48 AM
I don't think it is necessarily a red flag.
One mistake is thinking that because person A tells person B about his/her situation X, that person B must also tell about his/her situation X.

Where a person works can be a very sensitive issue.



no red flag that i can see , generally they are much more private and wont disclose all their personal information to anyone but very close people in their lives , even then it may still be kepy to themselves

the work place is or can be very private , that is her lifeline to survival , and she may well protect its privacy until she knows you can be trusted and have earnt that trust over time

dont judge her by what is normal in your life experiences  . she may also be a bit introverted

. learn more before you judge incorrectly imo , continue on with the usual general cautions at play

SX


  2 wise men !
I have often posted about guys needing to be respectful and sensitive to HER situation.
There can be a lot of reasons eg a guy who thinks this online situation is how a real life meeting will be--whereas- she is no where near that stage of including him in her life.
It may say-proceed with a little caution -- see how it unfolds.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on January 18, 2019, 03:06:40 AM
Trench,


By what you post on here  I can see you have learnt nought and your advice sucks ..

The one disastrous trip I had had from a dating point of view was because my Russian sucked and the lady wanted me to live in Russia as her parents were ill.

Most of your 'advice' is that of a clueless misongynist. ...

Moby gets upset when I agree with him --on TC it is often !

TC-- clueless "advice" given by you is not helping anyone. You have next to zero real life exposure  to a relationship-let alone with an fsuw .
As Moby said--the more you write-the more obvious that is -to everyone. :cluebat: :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: GenMish on January 18, 2019, 05:34:02 AM
Unfortunately 😔 red flags just went up. I know she is a private person, but red flags just went up. I asked her a simple question of the name of the company she worked and she replied that there are things we won't know about each other but when we are a family we will know everything and that was a ways out. Not sure how to reply especially when I told her who I exactly work for.


My take?
She doesn't want to risk her employer finding out she might be leaving for good, that could take her off the promotion list. This should sort itself after you meet and she trusts you fully(which I think what was meant by 'family')
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 18, 2019, 05:47:26 AM
DC,

Please bear in mind you have not met her yet, nor she you.  Red flags at this stage is if she stated the opposite - she loves you, you are the only one for her, etc.  Or if she's asking for money - to buy plane tickets, to 'expidite' a visa to USA, emergency health issue, sick family member...

Her stating that you don't know each other yet sounds sensible, except possibly the use of the word "family" instead of "we get to know each other better".  It could be a translation thing - she may be fluent in English, but she is still translating in her head.
Title: Just another introduction
Post by: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 09:09:22 AM
DC Welcome

Am I the only one slapping my forehead at your breaking THE #1 rule - DO NOT JOIN ppl sites.....

Matey, you are wasting your time and money - most of us have worn the t-shirt and wised up .......

HOW can you be chatting on WhatsApp and still paying for letters ...?

IF this seems harsh - it's supposed to ....  We're rooting for you ...  We're on your side ..... PLEASE listen...

You are going to end up being fleeced in Moscow

I agree with Moby, you are just throwing money away. If you want to have some translated
conversations then get a translator, make three way calls they are worth it, but keep any
money grubbing agency out of it. They rarely have your best interests in mind.

RWD Commandment number 3
"Work to eliminate any agency from your communications."

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0

Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on January 18, 2019, 09:45:25 AM
If she is with a PPL chances are you're being played.   While I haven't followed this thread, I can tell you if she is on a PPL and she won't tell you what she does for a living, and she is very good looking, she probably is on the PPL to make money.

This is not to say that she wouldn't hook up if the right guy came along.   Of course she might already have that right guy and is only using you to pay her bills.

Many women know that it is nigh on to impossible to get a visa to the States.   Therefore, they can keep up the online chatter, in perpetuity, which they are getting paid for, if they are seeking to do something impossible.   

Unless the OP is ready to hop on a plane, the rest of this is just mental masturbation.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on January 18, 2019, 10:11:03 AM
As a codicil, 95% of the guys who talk to women on FSU dating sites never get on a plane to visit the woman.   If a woman is getting paid by a PPL, then, she will have a plan for when a guy actually does come for a visit.   (Her own interpreter, agreements with restaurants and cabby drivers to kick back part of their fees, etc.)

But PPL women play the odds.   They know that 95% of the guys won't get on the plane.  So all she has to do is be very nice on the internet to the guy.

Oh, have you heard the latest take on PPL's?    They start out on a subscription site and tell the guy that they can't understand what he is saying so they need to be on a PPL so that they can both understand each other (only that site has good enough translation services for their needs).  A great way to ameliorate the transition into the guy paying money to the gal.

Couple of thoughts:

1.  If the guy doesn't get on a plane, there is no sense in carrying on the relationship.  A guy who won't get on a plane is an easy mark for any woman.

2.  PPL gals are very sophisticated.   They have been taught EVERY trick in the book about how to get a guy to spend money on a PPL site.

Am I the only one who sees this?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: GQBlues on January 18, 2019, 10:18:23 AM
If she is with a PPL chances are you're being played.   While I haven't followed this thread, I can tell you if she is on a PPL and she won't tell you what she does for a living, and she is very good looking, she probably is on the PPL to make money.

This is not to say that she wouldn't hook up if the right guy came along.   Of course she might already have that right guy and is only using you to pay her bills.

Many women know that it is nigh on to impossible to get a visa to the States.   Therefore, they can keep up the online chatter, in perpetuity, which they are getting paid for, if they are seeking to do something impossible.   

Unless the OP is ready to hop on a plane, the rest of this is just mental masturbation.

Actually, in another thread, he was 'planning on hooking up with the gal in another country apparently because his employer will not allow him to go to Russia. He even contemplated quitting his job if the sentiment persisted.

OY! Men without dates.  :-X 
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 18, 2019, 12:35:54 PM
Thought the guy was talking about a girl he was actually with, lol. Now I recall it having you mentioned it GQ, DC was just messaging the girl but couldn't visit for quite some time.

So of course the girl will not want to disclose where she works, she won't want any weird communication from some random guy with her workplace, stands to reason. Even as a guy I wouldn't want this from disclosing to a girl where I worked, wouldn't want any awkwardness at work with them saying 'hey, we've got this message from.... (strange message) they obviously know you, whats it all about????'

That's even before you get to all the men she may message over time, if she told each one where she worked she could be plagued with her workplace recieving all sotrs of strange messages from a load of weird wacko's.


DC, if you are trying to check whether the girl is a sincere girl there are other ways to do it. You can't expect to give her info that may compromise her way of life to someone who she's never physically met/relatively new to her. So its not a Red Flag, I'm not saying all is sound, but its not a sign at your stage in relations with this girl.

Generally, if she sends you serious down to earth messages she's likely ok, learn what the other subtle ways of checking if she is sincere are and go by that. Don't expect to feel entitled to know everything about the girl from the word go as a relative stranger to her, its basically her choice on what she wishes to disclose to you and when. So an appropriate time & place for everything as they say.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on January 18, 2019, 02:13:25 PM
Thought the guy was talking about a girl he was actually with, lol. Now I recall it having you mentioned it GQ, DC was just messaging the girl but couldn't visit for quite some time.

So of course the girl will not want to disclose where she works, she won't want any weird communication from some random guy with her workplace, stands to reason. Even as a guy I wouldn't want this from disclosing to a girl where I worked, wouldn't want any awkwardness at work with them saying 'hey, we've got this message from.... (strange message) they obviously know you, whats it all about????'

That's even before you get to all the men she may message over time, if she told each one where she worked she could be plagued with her workplace recieving all sotrs of strange messages from a load of weird wacko's.


DC, if you are trying to check whether the girl is a sincere girl there are other ways to do it. You can't expect to give her info that may compromise her way of life to someone who she's never physically met/relatively new to her. So its not a Red Flag, I'm not saying all is sound, but its not a sign at your stage in relations with this girl.

Generally, if she sends you serious down to earth messages she's likely ok, learn what the other subtle ways of checking if she is sincere are and go by that. Don't expect to feel entitled to know everything about the girl from the word go as a relative stranger to her, its basically her choice on what she wishes to disclose to you and when. So an appropriate time & place for everything as they say.

Every woman I have ever dated told me where they worked.   Every FSU woman told me what she did for a living.    The only women who won't tell are those that have something to hide.   I had a woman who was a bit worried about telling me who she worked for.   So she told me what she did for a living, but not the company where she worked.   

IIRC she worked as the accountant and verification person who put grain on ships.   After she made her comments, her boss would come in and change the moisture content in the grain, altering the value of the grain and, essentially stealing money from the purchasers of the grain.   She quit the job to become a masseuse.   That is life in Ukraine.

The only good thing I see in what is reported about this relationship is that the woman is from Moscow.   It is rare that a Moscow woman needs to resort to tricking men into getting money from them.   There are so many other opportunities for employment.   Were I the OP, I would ask for her home address so I could send some flowers to her, then look up her address to see if it is legitimate.   Of course, send the flowers.   And don't use the PPL to send them.   There are a good number of honest florists working in the Moscow area.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on January 19, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
When I have dated Ladies in the US it is always something that comes up in the first date. But this is a totally different situation. I responded to her and subtitly told her that I understand and we had time to get to know each other deeper in time. It is three months now and unfortunately she does not want to do a short weekend visit and perfers to just wait until she gets her Visa or I can visit which unfortunately due to work project can't visit until June or May. My employer will not let me go any sooner.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 19, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Well either she's low sex which is very unusual in the fsu  or she has a side sex game going on.   Or you're another sausage about to be minced.  Fsu dating can be brutal this isn't Kansas
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 19, 2019, 03:28:32 PM
When I have dated Ladies in the US it is always something that comes up in the first date. But this is a totally different situation. I responded to her and subtitly told her that I understand and we had time to get to know each other deeper in time. It is three months now and unfortunately she does not want to do a short weekend visit and perfers to just wait until she gets her Visa or I can visit which unfortunately due to work project can't visit until June or May. My employer will not let me go any sooner.

Are you guys still on the ppl site for translations?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on January 19, 2019, 04:05:36 PM
Are you guys still on the ppl site for translations?
Yes limited, and mostly Skype messaging.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on January 19, 2019, 04:29:32 PM
Can anyone tell me if Clownfish has been supplanted by an auto translation feature in Skype?  If not, implement Clownfish on Skype.  It shows your original post, followed by the translation into (sic) Russian.

I will say this again:   Nothing has happened in this relationship until two people actually meet in person.   MLK is coming up on Monday.   Would have been a quick getaway weekend with an extra day due to the holiday.   I did such trips twice, both with tremendous success.   

So let's take stock here:

1.  Never met in person

2.  Woman does not confide in what she does for a living

3.  You volunteered to fly over for a short period of time.  She rebuffed the request.

4.  She wants to fly to the US, knowing full well that visas to the US are (in the least) difficult to obtain.

5.  She still has you communicating on a PPL site.

To any outsider looking in, this is a classic setup whereby she is playing you, either as a mule or as a goat.   You are still paying money to a PPL site, which may or may not be paying her.

I always said that a relationship gets stale after one month without direct contact.   You've now spent three months.   Time to either meet in person or find someone else.  Believe you me, there are plenty of women out there.   The investment that you have in this woman should bear fruit or be terminated.

I, personally, think she has a different motive rather than wanting a long term relationship.

One last thought that everyone on this forum will likely agree with:

The meeting (and possibly sex) is only the first stage of the relationship.   Once you meet (and possibly even get married) the real work begins.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 19, 2019, 05:24:48 PM
DC, your ladies position sounds BS to me. What reason does she have not to meet you on a weekend? After all you would be making all the effort and expense to get there. You both could work out if there is anything between the two of you within the first half hour or so of meeting. If there wasn't any chemistry there then you both benefit in not feeling tied to each other for the week. Explain this to her if she has problems with it. Personally though I think you are being played. She has been told to only accept guys for a week minimum so your stuck there with her squeezing all the money she can out of you, that or as you've told her your difficulties of getting a week of sooner she is using it to last communication out.

I would say get of PPL and find another girl on a free dating website if she won't agree to meet you for a weekend. There's so many girls out there in the FSU on free dating websites who won't give you all that BS and will happily meet you for a weekend or whatever.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on January 30, 2019, 06:39:01 PM
She did her visa interview, they held to stats and denied her application. I have not heard from her since her message saying she was upset that it was denied. If she comes back and asks for money I won't be following up with her. But I am guessing she won't. We had a back up plan for Belgium. So we will see what happens now.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 30, 2019, 07:20:48 PM
Sorry to hear that, DC.  As Bill says, Udachi!  Keep us up to date, if you can.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 30, 2019, 07:49:19 PM
dccowboy how long since this woman last messaged ?  Thanks for being honest as I think many people post about the good results rather than all the results.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Davo2 on January 30, 2019, 08:08:33 PM
Fast track your back up plan.... We had one too, but it was 6 months after her visa was denied (only time she could get off work) and in that time her feelings changed, mainly due to the disappointment you're experiencing. Eventually we stopped talking completely for a few months, but now it's getting close to me visiting, things have turned around.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: msmob on January 30, 2019, 09:54:22 PM


I always said that a relationship gets stale after one month without direct contact. 

I first contacted SC in late October and we met in March the next year.....


 


The meeting (and possibly sex) is only the first stage of the relationship.   Once you meet (and possibly even get married) the real work begins.

Agreed  - yet you refer to two tremendously successful  [ long weekend ] trips  - So you've been married to a FSUW - twice ?

" Would have been a quick getaway weekend with an extra day due to the holiday.   I did such trips twice, both with tremendous success.  "

Please define 'success"
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 14, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
We have our plans set. It will be Spain in July. Despite what other's have posted we have not gotten distant in our communication.  Btw just correct some previous post she did tell what she did for a living, and is very open about what she does during the day. And we are communicating almost 90% on Skype, we only use the ppl site about once a week, for long letters.
 I was reading another post from a member who I believe he said he was in the coast guard from several years back that was using a agency and has ended up being long term marriage. But this was also a example of someone "paying to play" how is this different than a ppl site?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 14, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
Varies, most/nearly all guys that use ppl get ripped off. Every once in a while a guy gets lucky or at the extreme is canny enough to make it work, the latter of two is even more rare. Often you get guys who think they are clever/experienced enough but come to find out their not.

Of the few that get lucky most of them just find on meeting there is a lot of natural chemistry. Of course there is also the situation where a girl is just interested in a guys wealth or getting a green card. BillyB has pointed to the issue that an agency girl is always an agency girl if she is indeed an actual agency girl and not a general sign up, i.e an actual agency girl will have poor character to do the business she does.

So the long and the short is if you use ppl you are already stacking the odds heavily against you with all the negatives they often entail.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: ML on February 14, 2019, 10:50:51 AM
. . . we only use the ppl site about once a week, for long letters.
 

But why ???

Use of ppl is completely unnecessary.
You have each others private contact info . . . yes?
And there are numerous free translation programs if needed.

Continued use of ppl at this stage of your relationship is a huge red flag.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: rmcmonty on February 14, 2019, 11:16:17 AM
  I was reading another post from a member who I believe he said he was in the coast guard from several years back that was using a agency and has ended up being long term marriage. But this was also a example of someone "paying to play" how is this different than a ppl site?

DC - I was and am a Retired Coastie. The big difference here is: The year my wife and I met was 2001. In her city, there were only a few agencies set up. Since SKYPE and other applications were not available and wife did not have her own computer, the agency was our only way, other than the phone to communicate. Things were different back then. I thought PPL stood for "Pay Per Letter." To this day, I had no idea of how much I was being charged. We did drop the agency, after our marriage in Russia, to the phone, since I didn't need their services any longer.

Monty
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on February 14, 2019, 01:42:58 PM
Cannot believe that the OP has not engaged one of the many (free) services for translation.   It is so simple and, yet, he still stands by his usage of PPL.

I would be curious to know:

1.  How much he is paying PPL per week.

2.  What would happen if he suggested that they us a different service for translation.

3.  Who suggested that they stay with PPL for 'long letters'.

We have had 'advocates' who got paid for being an intermediary between two correspondents in the past.   But those were true advocates who actually went on Skype with the correspondents simply to assist in communication.  Some of them worked out really well and for a fraction of the cost of using PPLs.   But using an agency PPL is like subjecting yourself to unnecessary expense coupled with the interjection of a third party who's sole purpose is to continue the correspondence, not encourage dating success.

As ML says, the RED FLAG is blindingly obvious to all those experienced in this endeavor.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Hammer2722 on February 14, 2019, 03:10:45 PM
But why ???

Use of ppl is completely unnecessary.
You have each others private contact info . . . yes?
And there are numerous free translation programs if needed.

Continued use of ppl at this stage of your relationship is a huge red flag.

I totally agree with this. Why on earth would you still need to communicate via PPL even just once if you have Skype, email, etc....?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: JayH on February 14, 2019, 03:17:44 PM
And we are communicating almost 90% on Skype, we only use the ppl site about once a week, for long letters.


A few have queried why this way -- so - a fwiw !
It is possible -- that she has obligations to the web site ie she needs to keep some action there to stay listed -- or may owe them in some way or  another.

Second --it does not necessarily cost anything more than a flat monthly fee to write there ie it is not a cost each time.

Stating the obvious -- it would be simple enough to do all communication through Skype -- but -- why not email?
Does the op have an email address?
A phone number?
Her full name?
Even if a no on each count -- I do not necessarily call all that a no no !

I am far more bothered by the meeting in another country  issue -- it creates a very false situation  and would give me little confidence in her bona fides.

Translation these days is a simple thing --even in comparison  to a few years ago --let alone 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 16, 2019, 11:41:09 AM
My entire life I have always feel into that 1%..... Good and bad, fingers crossed it is holding true with this. I know from the way she writes and what she has and has not said she is at least a authentic person. For example I have read if they jump into the love talk to quickly, probably a scam, she has never said anything about that and as previously stated  mutual decision to use this ppl site we had 5 or 6 we looked at and via email mutually agreed to this one. When I have dated let's say unonline I pay for everything on dates and this is cheaper than that for sure. I good since of people. She has not asked for money, won't let me even send her anything. I think at some point faith and trust come into play. I am moving us away from ppl and into Skype.

Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: LAman on February 16, 2019, 11:46:28 AM
My entire life I have always feel into that 1%..... Good and bad, fingers crossed it is holding true with this. I know from the way she writes and what she has and has not said she is at least a authentic person. For example I have read if they jump into the love talk to quickly, probably a scam, she has never said anything about that and as previously stated  mutual decision to use this ppl site we had 5 or 6 we looked at and via email mutually agreed to this one. When I have dated let's say unonline I pay for everything on dates and this is cheaper than that for sure. I good since of people. She has not asked for money, won't let me even send her anything. I think at some point faith and trust come into play. I am moving us away from ppl and into Skype.

Cheaper????
Have you ever spent 2-3 thousand on a date before??? Never mind the costs of your communication......
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: jone on February 16, 2019, 01:06:33 PM
My entire life I have always feel into that 1%..... Good and bad, fingers crossed it is holding true with this. I know from the way she writes and what she has and has not said she is at least a authentic person. For example I have read if they jump into the love talk to quickly, probably a scam, she has never said anything about that and as previously stated  mutual decision to use this ppl site we had 5 or 6 we looked at and via email mutually agreed to this one. When I have dated let's say unonline I pay for everything on dates and this is cheaper than that for sure. I good since of people. She has not asked for money, won't let me even send her anything. I think at some point faith and trust come into play. I am moving us away from ppl and into Skype.
2

What a joke.  Skype has an auto translate feature that takes everything typed in on one language and translates it into the other, with a copy of the original language post above it. 
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 16, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
My entire life I have always feel into that 1%..... Good and bad, fingers crossed it is holding true with this. I know from the way she writes and what she has and has not said she is at least a authentic person. For example I have read if they jump into the love talk to quickly, probably a scam, she has never said anything about that and as previously stated  mutual decision to use this ppl site we had 5 or 6 we looked at and via email mutually agreed to this one. When I have dated let's say unonline I pay for everything on dates and this is cheaper than that for sure. I good since of people. She has not asked for money, won't let me even send her anything. I think at some point faith and trust come into play. I am moving us away from ppl and into Skype.

Is she paying the airfare to Spain or have you bought her tickets?

I don't entirely agree with the others. I think the ppl and early holiday are not great choices to make early on, the holiday in particular may turn out to be a mistake that dooms the relationship.That said it's probably not inconcievable to do it like you do and for it to work out, for some.

I believe from earlier post on here you are quite a wealthy was the impression I got. If so a bit of money spent which is probably nothing to you is being a bit alarmist to get all wrapped up in as would usually be the case. I would suggest you just press ahead as you are and be content with the choices you've made. The railroad tracks have already been lain and I think you would learn nothing by backing out now or changing tack. I think you've staked your bet and it will either work out for you or it won't. If it doesn't at least you'll have a better bearing of where to work from next time and that can be worth the time and expense of what you're undertaking alone.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Boethius on February 16, 2019, 02:27:18 PM
A holiday cannot "doom" a relationship.  It does mean you aren't necessarily seeing the real person, as on vacations, the day to day life of a person is not necessarily on display.


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Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: krimster2 on February 16, 2019, 03:43:28 PM
“situational awareness” in Spain!
petty thievery of all kinds has become distressingly common
pick pockets, luggage thieves
keep a low profile, look like a broke tourist who can barely afford McD’s, no expensive jewelry displayed, etc.

don’t fall for the scam of some African guys trying to sell you a little 12 yr old girl
and think that you’re just gonna buy her and then set her free and she’ll run home to mama and live happily ever after, it’s a scam and she’s in on it, possibly even the mastermind...

and this is just the first 40 minutes of “happy Hour” in some random bar in Barcelona....
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: CaptB on February 16, 2019, 10:06:49 PM
"A holiday can not doom a relationship....................... (On vacation) the day to day life of a person is not necessarily on display"


If the FSUW woman is real and sincere.....all of them I met would have no problem meeting sooner than later.....even for a weekend visit. I have always advocated meeting "first" in her hometown......then if things don't work (no chemistry etc.) ,the time wasted is kept to a minimum. If things do work out then you can plan for a longer visit....and maybe have a "vacation". The problem with having a "vacation" first is that you may not be with her as she is during her day to day life. My meeting her in her home city first you will have the following to your advantage:


1) You will see her in her natural element.


2) You will meet her friends, relatives and coworkers.....and see how "they".......regard....."her"


3) You will see that maybe she does not want you to meet certain folks......or visit certain places.....in her home environment.


All of the RW I met......who were legit......had no problem meeting in their hometowns.....meeting friends, relatives or coworkers. As far as meeting my wife of fifteen years.....all of her friends, relatives & coworkers.....LET ME KNOW in no uncertain terms....that I was very lucky that she even let me visit her. She was everybody's favorite person. Honest and caring of others....to a fault. On vacation.....you are (both) on vacation. Most people are usually on good behavior on vacation......especially if someone else is paying for it. I find the fact that the OP's FSUW does not want to meet for a few days....a red flag. But going on vacation later is OK. Go on vacation....have a good time.....and things may seem ok. But meeting her in her natural element at a later date means you will have paid for two long visits before you really see how she is in her day-to-day life. Learning about her from a short weekend
visit is much less a waste of time and money. I practiced what I preach. The women I visited never gave me flack about visiting in their home towns.............first. I always tried to make a first visit in February or march. The weather is crappier.......but plane tickets are cheaper. Then if things work out.....in a few months you can relax and go on vacation......knowing you have a better idea of what she is like.....in her day to day environment.


Capt B


P.S. I am ex Coast Guard and used an agency for my first trip.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Boethius on February 17, 2019, 01:09:47 AM
It wasn't the woman who objected to OP visiting Russia.  OP posted that his employer does not want him to go to Russia.  So, it's off the table, and they've decided for a vacation together.


You think you can "know" a person by seeing them in their everyday life.  But you don't really know a person until you start living with him/her.  Visiting someone in their home environment, if they work, just gives you the rhythms of their days.


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Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 17, 2019, 07:10:05 AM
You think you can "know" a person by seeing them in their everyday life.  But you don't really know a person until you start living with him/her.  Visiting someone in their home environment, if they work, just gives you the rhythms of their days.


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Very smart statement.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 17, 2019, 07:16:25 AM
"A holiday can not doom a relationship....................... (On vacation) the day to day life of a person is not necessarily on display"


If the FSUW woman is real and sincere.....all of them I met would have no problem meeting sooner than later.....even for a weekend visit. I have always advocated meeting "first" in her hometown......then if things don't work (no chemistry etc.) ,the time wasted is kept to a minimum. If things do work out then you can plan for a longer visit....and maybe have a "vacation". The problem with having a "vacation" first is that you may not be with her as she is during her day to day life. My meeting her in her home city first you will have the following to your advantage:


1) You will see her in her natural element.


2) You will meet her friends, relatives and coworkers.....and see how "they".......regard....."her"


3) You will see that maybe she does not want you to meet certain folks......or visit certain places.....in her home environment.


All of the RW I met......who were legit......had no problem meeting in their hometowns.....meeting friends, relatives or coworkers. As far as meeting my wife of fifteen years.....all of her friends, relatives & coworkers.....LET ME KNOW in no uncertain terms....that I was very lucky that she even let me visit her. She was everybody's favorite person. Honest and caring of others....to a fault. On vacation.....you are (both) on vacation. Most people are usually on good behavior on vacation......especially if someone else is paying for it. I find the fact that the OP's FSUW does not want to meet for a few days....a red flag. But going on vacation later is OK. Go on vacation....have a good time.....and things may seem ok. But meeting her in her natural element at a later date means you will have paid for two long visits before you really see how she is in her day-to-day life. Learning about her from a short weekend
visit is much less a waste of time and money. I practiced what I preach. The women I visited never gave me flack about visiting in their home towns.............first. I always tried to make a first visit in February or march. The weather is crappier.......but plane tickets are cheaper. Then if things work out.....in a few months you can relax and go on vacation......knowing you have a better idea of what she is like.....in her day to day environment.


Capt B


P.S. I am ex Coast Guard and used an agency for my first trip.
I understand what you are saying and agree to it, but my employer will not allow travel to a country hostel to the US. I'm not not going to go into why or who I work for so please don't ask. Before I checked with employer the alternative plan to her not getting a visa was for me to visit her.  She was even willing to entertain a "short" trip.  But preferred a longer trip staying with her in Russia or vice versa her in US.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 17, 2019, 07:20:59 AM
Cheaper????
Have you ever spent 2-3 thousand on a date before??? Never mind the costs of your communication......
wow... Do you just go on one date? In the past I tended to go on several a week..... Spending on average $80-$150 per date. Sometimes on a long weekend away could be $1000. So yeah.... ppl in cheaper.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 17, 2019, 07:26:35 AM
A few have queried why this way -- so - a fwiw !
It is possible -- that she has obligations to the web site ie she needs to keep some action there to stay listed -- or may owe them in some way or  another.

Second --it does not necessarily cost anything more than a flat monthly fee to write there ie it is not a cost each time.

Stating the obvious -- it would be simple enough to do all communication through Skype -- but -- why not email?
Does the op have an email address?
A phone number?
Her full name?
Even if a no on each count -- I do not necessarily call all that a no no !

I am far more bothered by the meeting in another country  issue -- it creates a very false situation  and would give me little confidence in her bona fides.

Translation these days is a simple thing --even in comparison  to a few years ago --let alone 20 years ago.
not a possibility in my situation with my employer of traveling to Russia.
Yes ?'s on contact information. And we do communicate via email on occasion.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 17, 2019, 07:34:55 AM
Is she paying the airfare to Spain or have you bought her tickets?

I don't entirely agree with the others. I think the ppl and early holiday are not great choices to make early on, the holiday in particular may turn out to be a mistake that dooms the relationship.That said it's probably not inconcievable to do it like you do and for it to work out, for some.

I believe from earlier post on here you are quite a wealthy was the impression I got. If so a bit of money spent which is probably nothing to you is being a bit alarmist to get all wrapped up in as would usually be the case. I would suggest you just press ahead as you are and be content with the choices you've made. The railroad tracks have already been lain and I think you would learn nothing by backing out now or changing tack. I think you've staked your bet and it will either work out for you or it won't. If it doesn't at least you'll have a better bearing of where to work from next time and that can be worth the time and expense of what you're undertaking alone.
she is paying for her flight, but I will probably volunteer to give her some money when she is there which I am sure she will refuse.
I don't know if I would classify myself as wealthy, higher low 6 digits maybe...... Never looked at myself as wealthy. And yes I look at it as being involved this deep u might as well see it through to conclusion.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 17, 2019, 07:37:36 AM
“situational awareness” in Spain!
petty thievery of all kinds has become distressingly common
pick pockets, luggage thieves
keep a low profile, look like a broke tourist who can barely afford McD’s, no expensive jewelry displayed, etc.

don’t fall for the scam of some African guys trying to sell you a little 12 yr old girl
and think that you’re just gonna buy her and then set her free and she’ll run home to mama and live happily ever after, it’s a scam and she’s in on it, possibly even the mastermind...

and this is just the first 40 minutes of “happy Hour” in some random bar in Barcelona....
good to know! I figured on the he top half, just not the 12yo girl scam, but now I know. We are staying at a closed resort, so hopefully that helps.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 17, 2019, 07:39:00 AM
A holiday cannot "doom" a relationship.  It does mean you aren't necessarily seeing the real person, as on vacations, the day to day life of a person is not necessarily on display.


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thank you and I am figuring on that.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 17, 2019, 08:14:36 AM
Holidays are fantastic fun especially with a honey .  Just remember you will know nothing about the suitability of the person long term after the holiday.  I had 2 perfect holidays with a woman and then found she had a totally different personality when back in her apartment with her son and mother.  So have fun but stay aware.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 17, 2019, 10:10:34 AM
That's exactly right James, the holiday I went in was a lot of fun in the main, I enjoyed it, I mean apart from seeing the inside of shopping centres a bit too much, lol.

I think what I meant to say but phrased not quite right is no holiday's in themselves will not dooms relationship but going on a holiday too soon with a girl most likely means the relationship is already doomed. I say that as it probably means you've got a good time girl and will likely have a good time but that such a girl probably isn't viewing it as an everyday relationship. So a serious permanent relationship probably isn't likely since it's already shifted onto a good time relationship. It may be that there are genuine reasons for the meet up in Spain but whether girl set out for a good time deal or not the danger is that is the footing this relationship may now be on.

Time over again I wouldn't do a holiday soon after meeting. If the girl is not up for a serious down to earth relationship from the get go then age was only ever after a good time. I think many a girl in the FSU may be guided onto the right track by knocking back any suggestion of a holiday type of relationship.

At this point though DC I wouldn't stress about it. Enjoy your time in Spain with the girl as much as you can and learn what you learn. It may go the distance or it may not but either way the tracks are laid now do no point going back to Start just for the sake of it. Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Boethius on February 18, 2019, 03:02:18 PM
Holidays are fantastic fun especially with a honey .  Just remember you will know nothing about the suitability of the person long term after the holiday.  I had 2 perfect holidays with a woman and then found she had a totally different personality when back in her apartment with her son and mother.  So have fun but stay aware.


You were posting from her apartment saying how wonderful she was, up until the time you found her other lover's text messages.  So, I don't think you can blame the holiday.


That's exactly right James, the holiday I went in was a lot of fun in the main, I enjoyed it, I mean apart from seeing the inside of shopping centres a bit too much, lol.

I think what I meant to say but phrased not quite right is no holiday's in themselves will not dooms relationship but going on a holiday too soon with a girl most likely means the relationship is already doomed. I say that as it probably means you've got a good time girl and will likely have a good time but that such a girl probably isn't viewing it as an everyday relationship. So a serious permanent relationship probably isn't likely since it's already shifted onto a good time relationship. It may be that there are genuine reasons for the meet up in Spain but whether girl set out for a good time deal or not the danger is that is the footing this relationship may now be on.


In DC's case, the woman invited him to her city, I believe, but he cannot go. 


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Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 21, 2019, 08:22:23 PM
I have decided I have spent enough money in this venture so I am going to wrap things up with my Russian Lady friend. I got a email back from her that she does not want a two room suite, she wanted completely separate rooms altogether. Which I guess I cant blame her, and she is willing to pay for the room herself, but fortunately I was going to reserve at a closed resort, were I can get a suite for 7 days everything included for $1000. I am sure some of the US veterans on here will know what I am talking about. What did me in with her was the persistence of staying on the PPL site.

I went ahead and spent $30 bucks on a month memberships with R__cupid.com and already found two ladies on there willing to just communicate via email both extremely beautiful. So off I go again on typing emails.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 21, 2019, 09:03:57 PM
I have decided I have spent enough money in this venture so I am going to wrap things up with my Russian Lady friend. I got a email back from her that she does not want a two room suite, she wanted completely separate rooms altogether. Which I guess I cant blame her, and she is willing to pay for the room herself, but fortunately I was going to reserve at a closed resort, were I can get a suite for 7 days everything included for $1000. I am sure some of the US veterans on here will know what I am talking about. What did me in with her was the persistence of staying on the PPL site.

I went ahead and spent $30 bucks on a month memberships with R__cupid.com and already found two ladies on there willing to just communicate via email both extremely beautiful. So off I go again on typing emails.

Most FSW will communicate via email and apps but that in itself doesn't mean that they are sincere ladies just that its not the ppl red flag waving. Other red flags may start waving once you got into more messaging with them or on meeting. Ideally of course no red flags with wave and you will have chemistry and be well suited to a girl you communicate with.

I'm curious though why you didn't blame the girl for wanting two separate rooms, hers of which she offered to pay for (assuming she would and not just a manipulation technique) then use it as part of the reason not to go? I know its looking unlikely that sex would be on the cards unless the unlikely event occurred of her inviting you to her room.

The ppl is a concern and usually if she is persistent like this a red flag. Im guessing she may have tried to later twist your arm in paying for her room or if she was getting a cut from ppl use that.

I'm not sure not doing your holiday as planned is the way to go. It would be interesting to see what turned up here. It's of course possible to vstiil carry on with this girl while communicating with the others. If you've not yet sent her the ending it message perhaps press her about when she'll pay for the room perhaps and see what she says.

What age are you DC?
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: DCcowboy on February 22, 2019, 02:29:40 AM
TC, mid late 40's, but honestly I get asked all the time if I am in my mid 30's.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 22, 2019, 11:15:09 AM
TC, mid late 40's, but honestly I get asked all the time if I am in my mid 30's.

That's ok, On a pay monthly site though I would be a bit cautious as to what motivates the girls there. What are we offering these girls?

I know that on Mamba that has recently converted from a free site to a cheap pay monthly site, $10 a month or $20 for three months they have restricted the age limit at which you can messge the girl (unless you pay more through the compliment system :( ). Its particularly bad if you are over 40, I am 41 as the age groups start going up in 10 years instead of 5 so many girls in their early to mid thirties cut it off at 40 as otherwise its 50 (tick box only on age groupings). Fdating a free website allows you to message girls even if you are over the age they specify and they can select any age. However, not many of the girls there go for older guys or maybe it is just swamped with guys as its free. Again though many girls select an age gap of just a few years above say 5 years or so. Some will select much higher age gaps on fdating but not many, generally quite few in number.

I think I tried Russian Cupid briefly about three years ago but it didn't have a good reputation, a lot of scammers, etc. I don't know if its much better these days. I think its the sister site to Ukrainedate from what I recall as the layout is similar, almost exact.

I've done EM (Elena's Models) which is simialarly priced to Russian Cupid. The impression I get of both sites is that apart from any dodgy girls a lot of women will be there after a guy with money. Some will have other concerns but in general it is a guy with money and a fair amount of it. I personally think a lot of it will go beyond 'providing' to them wanting a guy with money, so it will only likley be providing a lot of money, lol. Notonecessarily up front but I think they will want a wealthy guy for a very comfortable living. Not to say a dedent relationship can't be had or once knowing a girl if there is chemistry or at lweast a liking that she may be more moderate.

So I would say proceed but cautiously. 
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2019, 11:59:51 AM
The impression I get of both sites is that apart from any dodgy girls a lot of women will be there after a guy with money. Some will have other concerns but in general it is a guy with money and a fair amount of it.


What's wrong with that?  You're there for a woman who is more physically attractive than you can pull in the UK.


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Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: John Gaunt on February 22, 2019, 12:07:57 PM

What's wrong with that?  You're there for a woman who is more physically attractive than you can pull in the UK.


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Trench hasn’t got any so he knows he can’t ‘game’ them.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 22, 2019, 02:43:07 PM

What's wrong with that?  You're there for a woman who is more physically attractive than you can pull in the UK.


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Well I guess it means there's a deal to be done with guys who are very wealthy/don't mind a materialistic girl. The positive is at least you know the basis of it all. So ideally look for a girl amount them where there is chemistry. So theoretically there is nothing wrong with that but a lot of guys won't like it that the girl might be with him just because he has money, i.e wouldn't want to know him otherwise. Materialistic girls can also me a rough ride to deal with also. It can at its worst just be a case of want, want, want from her. Some guys can deal with that others it may be a struggle, Ice been there.

Jorge and Anfisa from 90 day fiancé come to mind.
Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2019, 02:49:06 PM
Jorge is in jail, no cash, Anfisa has a green card, is supporting herself, and going to school.  Yet she is still with him.  So, she isn't with him just for money.

I don't think you can use reality television as a basis for determining any facts, as most of it is exaggerated/made up for entertainment purposes.

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Title: Re: Just another introduction
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 23, 2019, 02:30:34 PM
Jorge is in jail, no cash, Anfisa has a green card, is supporting herself, and going to school.  Yet she is still with him.  So, she isn't with him just for money.

I don't think you can use reality television as a basis for determining any facts, as most of it is exaggerated/made up for entertainment purposes.

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Ah, thanks for the update Boe, haven't tuned in recently, will have to catch up :D