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Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« on: June 26, 2016, 08:41:44 AM »
I mean the financial ones  ;D So say I were to meet a FSW (I live in hope!) is it possible to safeguard assets at all? This may differ a little depending on country UK/US, etc. For me UK I know that I would have to marry the girl for her to come to the UK. I assume Ukrainian/Russian marriage would amount to the same as a UK marriage when living in the UK. The reason I ask this of course is that by marrying a FSW we open ourselves up to potentially being taken for a lot of our wealth in the divorce court's should not all work out. For some this can happen in a short space of time I understand. I know ML has suggested several times in the past the benefit of building up earning potential. However,  if a FSW can take a lot it one fell swoop this sounds like it may just add to making the divorce venture for the girl all the more worthwhile. So I ask is there any safeguards against this happening besides perhaps having a kid with the girl before marriage or soon after?
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 09:04:37 AM »
Choose wisely and your wife will be an asset you'll want to safeguard. In a few years when my wife' graduates, she's going to make the big bucks. As far as protecting assets you've accumulated before marriage, it depends on the laws of your land if a soon to be ex is entitled to any of it.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 02:07:25 PM »
How will having a child safeguard you?  On the contrary, I believe.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 02:17:41 PM »
You should put your earning power into a business,  and put the business into a trust or other structure that protects you. Laws in UK are different from the USA, however there must be many lawyers familiar with the process, given London's prominence in the financial world.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 02:22:58 PM »
Putting your assets in a trust would not work in Canada.
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Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 03:49:09 PM »
Putting your assets in a trust would not work in Canada.


You need a special kind of trust for this to work.
You either find a Girl you trust or you don't get
married.


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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 03:59:08 PM »
That is true of every marriage.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 04:02:41 PM »
Tenchcoat, first find a woman.  Do not choose the one with the biggest breasts or what ever you had at the of of the list, and instead find someone who removes doubts in your head.  Imagine a day of having your mind free from worry.

To advance to that stage, do you realize you will have to trust and let go?   

Gee.  This is what other married people are saying.   

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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2016, 07:26:41 PM »
There is always a way to safeguard your assets. It becomes a matter of whether it is worth all the trouble and what you are willing to give up in order to do so.


You need a special kind of trust for this to work.


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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 08:35:03 PM »

You need a special kind of trust for this to work.
You either find a Girl you trust or you don't get
married.

Big Bill; that's one of the silliest things you have posted.

Sounds like you think most divorces came from marriages where one of the parties didn't trust the other . . . before the marriage.

Others here have repeated another silly recommendation . . . make sure she (he) is the right person before you marry them.

People DO trust the other person when they get married.
People DO think the other person is the right person when they get married.
People DO think they are in love when they get married.

Divorces occur.
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Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 09:07:32 PM »
Big Bill; that's one of the silliest things you have posted.

Sounds like you think most divorces came from marriages where one of the parties didn't trust the other . . . before the marriage.

Others here have repeated another silly recommendation . . . make sure she (he) is the right person before you marry them.

People DO trust the other person when they get married.
People DO think the other person is the right person when they get married.
People DO think they are in love when they get married.

Divorces occur.

In international marriages, it's very common for people to marry people they barely
know, and I advise against it. If a guy has an insignificant amount of money then
why spend the time worrying about it? If a guy has significantmoney then why
would he ask the retards peanut gallery here how to protect it?

There are people who specialize in such things and the special knowledge varies
by location. A world renown specialist from London, would be practicing malpractice
if he gave advice to somebody from Maine, unless his advice was to find local council. 

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« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 09:12:39 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2016, 03:21:08 PM »
How will having a child safeguard you?  On the contrary, I believe.

True, in the UK they take the lot if married and kids in a divorce co. urt. The divorce court even has the power to sign, over your house to the woman with children even if it was totalky in your name and they regularly do this. Then theg go for support payments ontop of this plus you don't get your house back after the kids turn 18, she keeps it!  :o

It's too harsh on the guy I think. Many women in the UK essentially scamming guys with this trick. They often wait till the kids are say 8-10 ish so still a fair few years from 16 and leaving school then go for divorce knowing the guy would have paid the bulk of the mortgage and the kids would be grown up enough but not too few years left that a judge would not see the need to sign the house over to her.

So not sure why I said about kids, I guess I thought for some women they would prefer a family situation/need a man more, but of course they are those that dont. I guess at least your kid would likely get the money at some point rather than the woman just going off with it.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2016, 03:34:30 PM »
Easy. Buy gold and silver in physical, put it in a box and leave it with a trusted friend or family and dont tell your wife or anyone else about it.

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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2016, 04:09:49 PM »
It's too harsh on the guy I think. Many women in the UK essentially scamming guys with this trick. They often wait till the kids are say 8-10 ish so still a fair few years from 16 and leaving school then go for divorce knowing the guy would have paid the bulk of the mortgage and the kids would be grown up enough but not too few years left that a judge would not see the need to sign the house over to her.


I doubt it is about scamming, but rather, just a marital breakdown.  Children can put a lot of pressure on a marriage, particularly if more than one, because their needs come first.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2016, 02:07:31 AM »
Easy. Buy gold and silver in physical, put it in a box and leave it with a trusted friend or family and dont tell your wife or anyone else about it.

I'm hoping you had your tongue firmly planted in your cheek when you posted this ....
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2016, 07:08:28 AM »
Gold and silver in a box pays a pretty good interest rate.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2016, 11:57:47 AM »
Gold and silver in a box pays a pretty good interest rate.


LOL.


A better strategy, if gold is the preferred method of investment, is gold related stocks.  But you really need a strategy, as that market fluctuates significantly.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2016, 01:18:41 PM »
Gold and silver in a box pays a pretty good interest rate.

Although gold  seems unwise to Americans who like to invest their money or at least receive some interest, the Russian mentality seems different.  Russians still mistrust of banks, plus money held by a bank may pay fees larger than any interest received.   

Also, gold can be used as currency if there is a financial collapse.  Holding equities in gold mining companies is not the same to the average Russian. 

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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2016, 02:02:43 PM »
Natural isn't Russian.

I have a friend who trades in nothing but gold related stocks. He's made a lot of money, but it's not for the faint hearted.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2016, 05:30:28 PM »
Gold and silver in a box pays a pretty good interest rate.

As good as  ZIRP and better than NIRP.

As Will Rogers may not have said , "I'm not as concerned about the return on my money as I am the return of my money."

1932 $20 paper bill is worth what?

1932 $20 American gold coin is worth what?
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2016, 03:28:36 PM »
find someone who removes doubts in your head.  Imagine a day of having your mind free from worry.

As usual , piss poor advice, want to get some spreadsheets and bar charts up to prove your ludicrous comment? I think it is a given, nobody is expecting to get divorced, we can't see 10 years down the line, ask the guys on here who have multiple divorces.


Big Bill; that's one of the silliest things you have posted.

Sounds like you think most divorces came from marriages where one of the parties didn't trust the other . . . before the marriage.

Others here have repeated another silly recommendation . . . make sure she (he) is the right person before you marry them.

People DO trust the other person when they get married.
People DO think the other person is the right person when they get married.
People DO think they are in love when they get married.

Divorces occur.

Why is it that ML is level headed, while most of RWD is singing kumbaya my lord, getting married, come back a few years later and wondering why they are getting divorced, because apparently they did everything correctly yet messed up.


Gold and silver in a box pays a pretty good interest rate.

If we are talking about interest rates, and not yield, i am guessing you are suggesting sticking your money in the bank? Yeh, might be good for a few decades, till banks collapse and you are left with nothing.


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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2016, 11:40:27 AM »

LOL.


A better strategy, if gold is the preferred method of investment, is gold related stocks.  But you really need a strategy, as that market fluctuates significantly.

Though surely the point of this all is that the Lawyers/Divorce Court are unaware of your 'investment' and of course your wife/ex-wife too. Hence you'll not be wanting anything that is easily traceable so your name on any sort of stocks would be a pointless endeavour. The idea as I take it would be to go out and buy some Gold bars (or similar) in cash as opposed to card payment to keep the transaction of the record and retain the gold and the receipt. The cash of course would have to be taken out in smallish sums over time to avoid a big question mark on the account should the lawyers ever get hold of it. Of course as DK chart shows Gold has risen a lot of late so it could be a case of buying at a high/highest point so the short term trend may not continue as quite a steep a rise, even a fall perhaps.

I think I have the answer the the question here, I think ML & DK have it right, the answer is to buy gold, stash it real safe and keep it quiet, this seems sensible. I know it may not seem great on the relationship front but with the divorce courts so unjust and out of touch with the hardships the man faces - essentially being screwed over, some form of safe guard to save one from destitution seems reasonable. Something I think all off us guys looking for a FSW should consider. So thank you guys I think this post should be helpful to many of us.   
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2016, 01:36:29 PM »
ML is not suggesting to buy gold.  Quite the contrary.


Gold prices fluctuate, often dramatically.  Furthermore, if you are involved in divorce proceedings, one of the  things you have to do is swear under oath about the extent of your assets.  I suppose if you are greedy enough, you can lie, and face jail time if you are caught.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2016, 01:52:08 PM »
Though surely the point of this all is that the Lawyers/Divorce Court are unaware of your 'investment' and of course your wife/ex-wife too.

The main point is, since laws vary so much between different locations, that you should avoid direct skulduggery, and pay a lawyer a little bit in order to have indirect skulduggery. 

No one on this site is capable of handing you step-by-step instructions that will apply exactly to your unique circumstances.
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Re: Is it possible to safeguard your assets?
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2016, 01:54:23 PM »
Trench, if you are caught you may face jail time, but you will also lose it all. She can claim back any assets you hide, so if you did get divorced, you would still need to keep the gold a secret. Maybe open up a business, launder the money back in, but you will be subject to pay business tax which is 18% on all the gold's future value, but probably better than losing most of it. I don't know, just think about it, i have no idea, i am just giving you an idea, but all of this is illegal  :P


You could trade it back in, and just pay CGT on the profit you made (provided to keep the receipts), but that would mean you will have to disclose when you bought the gold. If she finds out, it will be easy for her lawyers to track down what you did. That is why i gave you the idea above, the CGT on profit method only works if you can keep all the profits you made hidden from your ex wife.
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