Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: nano on November 04, 2017, 01:40:45 AM
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That the quistion :). Man asked to living in Russia with me. But as they say he have good profession at USA. Is it method to check the women if she want him she would want to live with him at Russia, dispite her willing to relocate or it could be something else?
I don't want to living at Russia with foreing husband for some resons and if I tell him this I would considering as scammer or not loving women? :wallbash:
I relatively know what say women about it but I want to know what say the man about it...
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Hi Nano -- welcome to the forum :welcome:
I think I am reading correctly your question !!
You are in contact with a man -- and he wants to live in Russia with you? Correct?
Ok-- then --have you met this man >?
--- have you talked on the phone?
-- have you seen on screen in Skype etc?
Even those answers would not change my immediate thoughts-- I would not trust him -I would not believe what he says to you.
What country is he in?
What does he say his work is?
Your outline raises every red flag !
That said -- nothing is impossible -- but such big decisions need careful evaluation.
Guys here are paranoid about female scammers -- and my guess here is you have a male scammer online !
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Hi Nano -- welcome to the forum :welcome:
I think I am reading correctly your question !!
You are in contact with a man -- and he wants to live in Russia with you? Correct?
Ok-- then --have you met this man >?
--- have you talked on the phone?
-- have you seen on screen in Skype etc?
Even those answers would not change my immediate thoughts-- I would not trust him -I would not believe what he says to you.
What country is he in?
What does he say his work is?
Your outline raises every red flag !
That said -- nothing is impossible -- but such big decisions need careful evaluation.
Guys here are paranoid about female scammers -- and my guess here is you have a male scammer online !
Thank you for reply...
I think too he is maybe not a pure scammer but can be something like that, maybe sexual assalt or something. He is from USA and work as doctor and we talk at videochat at skype once. I think first I've been checked out do I am scammer or not, but anyway say to him I am not considering to live with male in Russia.
Now he don't want to talk to me and switch off his skype. :( but still want be friend though whatsup. Don't know what to think about him. And don't know how I can to be a friend for him... :(
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Thank you for reply...
I think too he is maybe not a pure scammer but can be something like that, maybe sexual assalt or something. He is from USA and work as doctor and we talk at videochat at skype once. I think first I've been checked out do I am scammer or not, but anyway say to him I am not considering to live with male in Russia.
Now he don't want to talk to me and switch off his skype. :( but still want be friend though whatsup. Don't know what to think about him. And don't know how I can to be a friend for him... :(
I honestly can't imagine any doctor in the USA giving up a lucrative practice to go and live (and work?) in Russia for next to no money, and that's supposing that he could even get a visa to do so.
It seems really strange that he would not answer Skype, but still wants to be friends on WhatsApp. He may not necessarily be a scammer, but he certainly is NOT the man for you!
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Hi Nano
Having talked only once on Skype and he wants to live with you ? STRANGE (((
IF he is serious - he would want to visit you and discuss such things face to face
Many guys might think that if you don't want to remain in Russia that you only want them to be a 'Visa' - it could have been a test.
If he is that quick to dismiss you - ( turning off Skype) you didn't miss an opportunity ! )
It doesn't hurt to make him a contact on whatsapp - if he doesn't please you - you can easily remove him
IF it doesn't make you feel excited or uncomfortable - he's not for you!
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Yes, seems so, he is not for me... But why need to ask the silly quiestion about relocating to Russia if he was need just know interesting he on me or not and check me if I want to have only visa? It's seems for me quite absurdly. Have a bit hope still but seem he's not a real interested in me man :-\
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I have different opinion.
I think he was just doing a fairly standard thing by checking whether you were interested in a man for himself, or a man because he could get you out of Russia and into a western country
Based on what you told him, he concluded you were focused on the latter.
If you want to check him out further; write telling him you have changed your mind and that it would probably be OK for you two to live together in Russia.
Yes, we all suspect he really doesn't want to do that . . . but once he feels you are more interested in him than in leaving, then perhaps you two can develop a normal cross-country relationship which could lead to . . .
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No, now he delited me from all his contact. Seems I failed this exam :(
And even if I send him a message in addition: "it would probably be OK for us two to live together in Russia" - how it would be in real? I would in worse circumstance with him even without him and need show "love" in addition in unconveninet condition with a lot of risk for me and without any risk for him. It could lead to a lot of conflict :arguing: or slave. Nobody could live only by love, not wanting it from another.
How he can proof his love for me? Just constantly fearing and ask me to resolve any doubt? It's very heavy relationships even with love... Should say especially with love to someone who want just proof you constanly.
Seems he just not ready for international relationships and take any risk related to this.
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No, now he delited me from all his contact. Seems I failed this exam :(
He probably tells all the women that he wants to live with them in Russia. It doesn't mean he's a bad guy for giving you an exam. He just wants to find a woman who will love him for himself. It doesn't mean you are bad either for not wanting to marry and live with a man in Russia. We go on international websites to meet people with the expectation that the woman will move to the man's country.
Next time a man' gives you an exam, invite him to your country so he can determine if he wants to live there and you can determine if you want to live with him.
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This is typical of Western men, who are told on forums such as this one that asking this question is a test of a woman's sincerity - does she want the man, or does she want the country. Of course, almost no Western men will live in Russia, because life is very different there. There is an irrational fear by Western men of women marrying them for their wallet or lifestyle. Most often, their views of family life are very different from what FSU individuals expect or know.
In the future, answer that if he comes to visit you, and things lead to marriage, of course you would be happy to stay in Russia with him.
Personally, I think this is a stupid "test", because all scammers are told to answer "Yes, darling, of course I'd live with you in Russia/Ukraine/Moldova" etc. A sincere woman is more likely to answer as you did.
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It sounds strange that a foreign guy would say he would want to live in Russia, has he even been there? I did meet a few expats who have lived in Russia and married, had a family, living there over a decade or 2 . But that would be the exception to the rule. Most tend to want to return to their home country. Having lived in Moscow short term I couldn't envision myself being there permanently.
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This is typical of Western men, who are told on forums such as this one that asking this question is a test of a woman's sincerity - does she want the man, or does she want the country.
Hm, thats the question. He want the love itself not interesting in me person and if the true love flood up from my messages he would test and test it :deadhorse:
It position the man who want take something and don't want to give something. Usially if I see the guy from Panama or Bangladesh or Turkish man I just not reply or if the man real I send him a message I am not interesting the place he living from. There are a lot of women who going to Turkish or Bangladesh to show the "true love" to the guy and fall in very bad situation with bad condition and misery.
So if he with his sincere soul would from Bangladesh I really couldn't take this true love.
Maybe he search the love right from heaven and test it before trust and if he obtain it he crush it as it usially happend. And seems he was not ready to invite the women into his good life as she is with her complication and difficulties.
Seems he is interesting in my love or love itself I should produce for him much more than in me really and not interesting in me personally. :(
In the future, answer that if he comes to visit you, and things lead to marriage, of course you would be happy to stay in Russia with him.
No, I can't say that mostly becouse come someone and would torture me: "you want to live with me, not with my country, so we would test our love". And then he would thrown back from me again as fast as he could. It would the same conflict as it was but face to face :arguing:
It sounds strange that a foreign guy would say he would want to live in Russia, has he even been there?
Yes he was at St. Peterburg and like the russian culture. I don't know was he on meet other women or just come to Russia but he was.
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Maybe he search the love right from heaven and test it before trust and if he obtain it he crush it as it usially happend. And seems he was not ready to invite the women into his good life as she is with her complication and difficulties.
Quoting from a fellow poster here: "Paranoia will destroy you"
Love is Opening Yourself Up. Love is being vulnerable. Love is commitment.
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Quoting from a fellow poster here: "Paranoia will destroy you"
Can't understand - is it for me? :-\
Love is Opening Yourself Up. Love is being vulnerable. Love is commitment.
Maybe, don't know :popcorn:
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Can't understand - is it for me? :-\
Maybe, don't know :popcorn:
Hmm, both? :rolleyes: In this context, mostly the guy of this topic as he seems to be the textbook definition of being paranoid.
I'm sure you probably have more dating experience than me. I am just theorising what love is. :P
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I am just theorising what love is. :P
I see :popcorn:
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Tell him you want to live in the USA and see what he says.
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Nano, when men ask you this question, you can say:'' Why not, if it will be comfortable for both".
Some men ask, because they want to check, some - because they want understand woman's readiness for change of residence and so on....
We can not open their brain and read it.
Anyway they have the right to ask this. They want partner, but not women, who ran away from problems. We want the same.
Really, it is not important where to live. More important with who. Each couple chooses the best option for themselves, if ....they love or even like each other.
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Really, it is not important where to live. More important with who.
No I wouldn't say not trouth... I wouldn't live with mr."who" in Mexica for example, and on Gana, or Bangladesh.Nano, when men ask you this question, you can say:'' Why not, if it will be comfortable for both".
For me not comfortable.
They want partner, but not women, who ran away from problems. We want the same.
I want a man, not a partner who resolve my problem. If the man run away from woman with problem - it's surely not mine man. Man should resolve the problem and not a arise it.
If it not mutter where to live with man I should merriage on papuan man from New Guinea. Why not? Great man in the skirt of leaves, great love and nothing matter where to live. :wallbash:
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If it not mutter where to live with man I should merriage on papuan man from New Guinea. Why not? Great man in the skirt of leaves, great love and nothing matter where to live. :wallbash:
I know you're just picking a random country, but it's far too dangerous for most people to live in Papua New Guinea - it's one of the most violent countries in the world. When some of our staff worked there on a short-term contract job a few years ago they had to have armed guards 24 hours a day.
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Anotherkiwi yes, I know this... :( It was ironically reply about papuan. I would never search someone from such country and even considering contract working man if he want to merriage and come to such country for contract... :-\ It's very dangerouse country without good level of medicine and the level of civil rights. Any plague can come me off with all my heaven love to him.
Tell him you want to live in the USA and see what he says.
He says I am greedy and want country, not him.
Ok, I should write in profile "I want to see a civil man from civil country with civil level of life to be legally merried." To avoide such questions: "me or country". But maybe I too much demand?
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Maybe that guy is too insecure about himself, wanting to test the woman. Reminds me of Trenchcoat actually. His main concern should be not what country the woman wants to live in. I"ve lived in Moscow and I would prefer to live in the USA or Canada in a major city. If you are middle class or higher it will be much more comfortable. You need to be rich in Moscow to have the same luxuries.
I don't know what city he's from but it seems odd that he would want to move to Russia.
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"I can not live in Arab country",-woman saies.
Then she met man, and...O happiness!!!! He is arabic sheikh :). He wants marry her.
I am absolutly not sure, that she will refuse.
Why ?
Because with a lot of money person can live everywhere: 1 month in France, 1 month in Russia, 1 month in Popua. But person will live as queen, but not as pleb.
So, not important where, important with who.
Most of PS women have not good financial level. And they want love, of cource, but...they want country the same. They want better life.
It is not bad. One of my friends asked me:
-Which country you will choose for life:France or Russia?
-Of cource, France. I am not stupid to choose worser for me.
-It means, that you communicate with me just because of the country?
-No, because I love you. But, if you want, we can live in Russia.
-No, I do not want.
Many years ago I lost wonderful man, because I thought:"No, I can not live in his country".
He was absolutly for me: educated, loving, succesful. But I was soo stupid.
Never say "never".
Woman should be honest first of all before herself. Love has nothing to do with the country.
But she has the right to wish for herself the best.
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Nano and Madien I am curious about something. In your opinion would most Russian and Ukrainian women reject an American expat living a good life in Batumi, Georgia? In my opinion most lives lived in America are limited and drab due to the high cost of living there. Many FSU wives rarely are able to return home to visit family and friends because lack of money. And the need to work a job where two incomes are required. A job that only gives these women 2 or 3 weeks a vacation a year.
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Actually only 1 or 2 weeks vacation a year . . . at least for many years.
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Many years ago I lost wonderful man, because I thought:"No, I can not live in his country".
He was absolutly for me: educated, loving, succesful. But I was soo stupid.
Where he was from?
I personally trying to not considerng man from countries I don't want to live. But anyway can something happens and I meet great russian man and leave my dream about american or europian man behind. Who knows? But now I haven't meet such great person. So sitting and choosing as "greed and wanting a country" :D
a lot of money person can live everywhere: 1 month in France, 1 month in Russia, 1 month in Popua. But person will live as queen, but not as pleb.
No, the lot of money person can't live everywhere... The civil life depend on civil rights and level of development both of economy and education peoples. You can't live as a Queen if other peopls around you would suffering.
Even if you stay along at home it's not mean you along. A lot of people invisible should to work around you to make comfort for you. The electricity should make the specialist, the gaz, the cleaning street and so on. So you comfort not depend on you money but depend on qualified peoples and how it work around you. And this work depend on economic development. So better to be strong middle class at civil country around the same neibohoods than Queen of garbage Popua with plague and around as you say plebs :)
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Yes, of course :).
It is choice: to be Queen or pleb :D.
All opinions have the right to exist :).
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In your opinion would most Russian and Ukrainian women reject an American expat living a good life in Batumi, Georgia?
1) I think, yes. But it is only my subjective opinion. You can check on site. It is easy task :).
Why I think like this?
Because most of our women never were not in USA , not in Europe.
They think, those territories - a paradise without problems. They marry with first man, relocate and then live unhappily or divorce.
Of cource, there are good couples.
2) I hope, you need not in "most of...". Harem it is headache for man :D.
3) There are wise women: they learn situation, they analyze the pros and cons and only then they deside, that to live with you in Gergia will be the best option.
4) There are women, who do not want official family. They prefer "guest marriage". So they will agree to be with you in Gergia from time to time. Why not?
Life is multivariant.
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Where he was from?
He was Turks from Antalya.
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The thing is, would you decide to move to a new place just for a man or woman? I wouldn't. You need to enjoy where you live also and find things to do for yourself there.
I would say it takes a few months to know.
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My better half moved for me. Initially, he didn't want to move as he said he was a "fish in water" where he lived.
I don't think it is any different than spouses moving across the country for a better job.
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I don't think it is any different than spouses moving across the country for a better job.
I have moved to several different states in USA to remain gainfully employed.
But all around me over the years, and now also, others take the route of taking unemployment to maximum extent and then going on welfare.
All because they don't want to move.
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I was all set to retire and move to Crimea--then everything changed! When Crimea was Ukraine, the cost of living was low. We would have had a dacha and flat, all paid off. Very little taxes. Low cost for food and everything.
NOW, the price of everything is 2 or 3 times as much. NOW you have property taxes, taxes on your vehicle, and so on!
Crimea is prone to earthquakes.
So everybody is different.
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My better half moved for me. Initially, he didn't want to move as he said he was a "fish in water" where he lived.
Nice. He is wise man. He knew that first-his woman, then all all....
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I was all set to retire and move to Crimea--then everything changed! When Crimea was Ukraine, the cost of living was low. We would have had a dacha and flat, all paid off. Very little taxes. Low cost for food and everything.
NOW, the price of everything is 2 or 3 times as much. NOW you have property taxes, taxes on your vehicle, and so on!
Crimea is prone to earthquakes.
So everybody is different.
Consider Batumi in the Republic of Georgia. Most everyone speaks Russian here. Once you pay your registration tax on your vehicle there are no more taxes on it. Property taxes? very, very low. Stay a year with no visa needed and getting another year by doing a border jump to Turkey a short drive away. Almost no bureaucracy. Open a bank account or business in a few hours. The ATMs here pay in GEL (Georgian Lari) and USD. The Georgians LIKE Americans and Ukrainians. Wayne, they would welcome you both with open arms. Think outside the box.
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Maxx2 when you ucranian girl or women come to you and you have twice how Georgian man had pestered to her is it say for you nothing? :popcorn:
I mean any conflict can lead into not good situation for Maxx2 where he haven't know the low, the legality and so on. It's quite dangerouse such situations and not pleasant for women also.
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Maxx2 when you ucranian girl or women come to you and you have twice how Georgian man had pestered to her is it say for you nothing? :popcorn:
I mean any conflict can lead into not good situation for Maxx2 where he haven't know the low, the legality and so on. It's quite dangerouse such situations and not pleasant for women also.
We just smile at each other - talk in English - and pretend neither of us understood ;)
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It's hurd to explain in english what's I mean for Maxx2. But I can't agree with the way of living of Maxx2 and considering it quite dangerouse. ::)
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I'm fairly certain Maxx is over 60 years of age, so he's capable of taking care of himself.
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My home town is very close to Abkhazia, so I know those people a little. They are VERY friendly, reserved.
So these possible conflicts are just stereotypes.
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I was all set to retire and move to Crimea--then everything changed! When Crimea was Ukraine, the cost of living was low. We would have had a dacha and flat, all paid off. Very little taxes. Low cost for food and everything.
NOW, the price of everything is 2 or 3 times as much. NOW you have property taxes, taxes on your vehicle, and so on!
Crimea is prone to earthquakes.
So everybody is different.
Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqazmHbL6gs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUMb_A_6YSY
(We remember that Crimea is a resort)
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More info
ruble equals 0.017 US Dollar
Ukrainian Hryvnia equals
0.038 US Dollar
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More info:
BEFORE 2014 $1 USD was about 8 grivnas
and $1 USD was about 33 roubles (maybe 30)
NOW
1 US Dollar equals
59.27 Russian Ruble
1 US Dollar equals
26.65 Ukrainian Hryvnia
So, Wayne where is this "Earthquake"?
You've gained from it.
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More
Prices on Ukraine in 2012
http://www.nieznanaukraina.pl/en/2275/ceny-ukraina-produkty-artykuly-spozywcze/
Apples to apples
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I can't speak on whether the doctor you were communicating with was sincere or crazy but men wanting to briefly live in Russia or Ukraine or move there long-term is not a red flag. A doctor may have a lot of money saved and want a break from the long hours. It is easy for doctors to find work so leaving a good job is not so hard for them. Older men particularly might consider moving if they have the right financial situation. Some men believe that months of email/skype, spending a few weeks at a time with a woman, and then marrying her after a 90 day visa too risky. They would prefer living several months with a woman first.
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It's hurd to explain in english what's I mean for Maxx2. But I can't agree with the way of living of Maxx2 and considering it quite dangerouse. ::)
I just caught this. The woman that visited me told me she noticed that theft seems much less here in Georgia than in Lviv Ukraine. That she noticed a lack of car alarms. And when she was out touring Tbilisi and Batumi at night without me she never felt at danger. I just got off the phone with my 33 year old daughter. She lives in Minnesota, a place known for its low crime. In Minneapolis she tells me that she always has black guys following her and trying to make conversation. Yesterday a guy outside her building was approached by one of these people and was asked for his cell phone. He didn't give it so he was beaten and the police had to come. I am teaching at this private school run by a Russian woman who is also a US citizen. She and her husband, also a US citizen, chose Batumi in preference to living in Los Angeles where they had lived for 10 years. It is very safe here. Georgia is in my opinion very misunderstood. That Ukrainian woman that came to visit me, her colleagues at her work cautioned her she might be kidnaped and have her body parts harvested. She now sees how silly they are.
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I can't speak on whether the doctor you were communicating with was sincere or crazy but men wanting to briefly live in Russia or Ukraine or move there long-term is not a red flag. A doctor may have a lot of money saved and want a break from the long hours. It is easy for doctors to find work so leaving a good job is not so hard for them. Older men particularly might consider moving if they have the right financial situation. Some men believe that months of email/skype, spending a few weeks at a time with a woman, and then marrying her after a 90 day visa too risky. They would prefer living several months with a woman first.
While these are valid points, they miss the biggest hurdle to such an expedition: the fact that they would not be able to get a visa to do this. I did think about doing this myself (many years ago), but my understanding, from what has been posted here many times, is that anyone wanting to live in the FSU will initially be subject to a 90/180 or 180/365 type of restriction, and presumably there are far more hoops to be jumped through to obtain this type of visa than the minor inconveniences required for a tourist visa.
Perhaps mhr7, Deccie, TwoBitBandit or one of the other residents of Russia or Ukraine could enlighten me (and others).
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While these are valid points, they miss the biggest hurdle to such an expedition: the fact that they would not be able to get a visa to do this. I did think about doing this myself (many years ago), but my understanding, from what has been posted here many times, is that anyone wanting to live in the FSU will initially be subject to a 90/180 or 180/365 type of restriction, and presumably there are far more hoops to be jumped through to obtain this type of visa than the minor inconveniences required for a tourist visa.
Perhaps mhr7, Deccie, TwoBitBandit or one of the other residents of Russia or Ukraine could enlighten me (and others).
I am in the 180/365 category and we spend time together in other places to bump up the time, together. Getting married means that I could apply for temp residency with a view to the full banana.... I do business in other nations so we just plan our time apart
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I am in the 180/365 category and we spend time together in other places to bump up the time, together. Getting married means that I could apply for temp residency with a view to the full banana.... I do business in other nations so we just plan our time apart.
Thanks, Moby. The other names I suggested are all now full-time permanent residents, which is why I thought it would be instructive to find out from them how they managed it.
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Thanks, Moby. The other names i suggested are all now full-time permanent residents, which is why I thought it would be instructive to find out from them how they managed it.
I'm not a permanent resident officially but live and work here 11 months out of the year. That's why I chose the option of 'resident'. My employer provides me with the necessary paperwork to do this.