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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #500 on: July 21, 2014, 07:50:00 PM »
From the 'Did you know Department'...

For nearly 50 years, there was a State (don't remember which) that actually made it a 'law' establishing *American* as the official language of the State. LOL.

It was eventually amended because the schools/teachers kept teaching *English* in their classes...

 ;D

So nobody in the other states could understand them?  :devil:

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #501 on: July 21, 2014, 08:07:33 PM »
The news networks in America are expressing dismay about the inaccuracies reported by Russian news. 

They mentioned the story about the woman who told how the pro-Ukranian groups crucified a young child, and how it was later disproven.    They were dismayed that the Russian news did not publish a retraction much less an apology. 

Regarding MH17, there are the usual conspiracy stories such as "it was shot down by a Ukrainian jet fighter thinking it was Putin's plane," yet today I heard the most preposterous story.  A pro-Russian separatist said MH-17 was carrying corpses, not live passengers.

The New Republic had a story Sunday about the inaccuracies.   http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782

They make the point that Putin is a prisoner of his own propaganda.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #502 on: July 21, 2014, 08:27:09 PM »
The news networks in America are expressing dismay about the inaccuracies reported by Russian news. 

They mentioned the story about the woman who told how the pro-Ukranian groups crucified a young child, and how it was later disproven.    They were dismayed that the Russian news did not publish a retraction much less an apology. 

Regarding MH17, there are the usual conspiracy stories such as "it was shot down by a Ukrainian jet fighter thinking it was Putin's plane," yet today I heard the most preposterous story.  A pro-Russian separatist said MH-17 was carrying corpses, not live passengers.

The New Republic had a story Sunday about the inaccuracies.   http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782

They make the point that Putin is a prisoner of his own propaganda.

Very well written article.  It all seems so logical  Fortunately for the non-Russian world we are not dependent on state run media and can view many sources of news and presentation of evidence.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #503 on: July 21, 2014, 08:32:11 PM »
The news networks in America are expressing dismay about the inaccuracies reported by Russian news. 

They mentioned the story about the woman who told how the pro-Ukranian groups crucified a young child, and how it was later disproven.    They were dismayed that the Russian news did not publish a retraction much less an apology. 

Regarding MH17, there are the usual conspiracy stories such as "it was shot down by a Ukrainian jet fighter thinking it was Putin's plane," yet today I heard the most preposterous story.  A pro-Russian separatist said MH-17 was carrying corpses, not live passengers.

The New Republic had a story Sunday about the inaccuracies.   http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782

They make the point that Putin is a prisoner of his own propaganda.

Gator,

Sure, there are false stories in Russia, but do you really think you are living in a country of the free and ithe ndispensible, the exceptional People as an American? You really think you have a special kind of stuff in Your genes, or something? Arrogance always Catch up With these kinds of ideas, and then the Europeans aren't such museum guys after
all, or what?

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #504 on: July 21, 2014, 08:39:51 PM »
No matter what you will say about America, the U.S. media is not controlled by the American government.  Other than PBS/NPR, I can't think of any American media outlet owned by the U.S. government, and in the case of PBS/NPR, they are quite left, far more than either US political party.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #505 on: July 21, 2014, 09:22:28 PM »
  A pro-Russian separatist said MH-17 was carrying corpses, not live passengers.




Cool story bro. If they could find just one living soul after falling 33,000 ft, it would prove that guy wrong. What are those rebels drinking? Just think, if the rebels succeed in taking east Ukraine, they would be in charge of the government.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #506 on: July 21, 2014, 09:33:50 PM »
No matter what you will say about America, the U.S. media is not controlled by the American government.  Other than PBS/NPR, I can't think of any American media outlet owned by the U.S. government, and in the case of PBS/NPR, they are quite left, far more than either US political party.

I'll give 'em that. They run the propaganda machine much more smoothly that in Russia. It's not just the US. Seems that Foreign policy is off-topic for a balanced view in Europe too. So the consumer in Europe and USA ends up With the same, the reports that the government wants.  The journalists might as well hide their professions as they are not journalists, but media whores. And they know it.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #507 on: July 21, 2014, 09:56:50 PM »
Is Seymour Hersh, who broke the My Lai and Abu Ghraib scandals, a media whore? 


The New York Times broke the story on NSA Surveillance.


An American journalist also broke the Edward Snowden NSA scandal.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #508 on: July 21, 2014, 10:43:43 PM »
Is Seymour Hersh, who broke the My Lai and Abu Ghraib scandals, a media whore? 


The New York Times broke the story on NSA Surveillance.


An American journalist also broke the Edward Snowden NSA scandal.

What about Watergate?  Surely that's the biggest of them all!

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #509 on: July 22, 2014, 12:12:21 AM »
Woodward went corporate.  Great access to power, interesting books, but, meh.


Bernstein didn't.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #510 on: July 22, 2014, 05:54:45 AM »

The American President is the most criticized person on the planet besides our country. Our media doesn't answer to the government.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: The Propaganda War...France doesn't care
« Reply #511 on: July 22, 2014, 08:41:06 AM »
Hot off the press France is still selling the warships to Russia.   I thought there was a chance they wouldn't as a way to get out of that enormous bank fine the US levied on the last week.  Apparently many European nations don't have very strong negative feelings about what Russia has helped foment and aren't going to let US financial pressures sway them.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #512 on: July 22, 2014, 09:59:13 AM »

From the 'Did you know Department'...

For nearly 50 years, there was a State (don't remember which) that actually made it a 'law' establishing *American* as the official language of the State. LOL.

It was eventually amended because the schools/teachers kept teaching *English* in their classes...

 ;D
So nobody in the other states could understand them?  >:D

It seems like a joke but it actually is true. It was gnawing at me last night but just couldn't remember which State it was, so I looked. It was Illinois.

In 1923, as a show of protest against the Brits for dragging their feet in giving Ireland their independence, they made *American* as the official language of the State. It was *illegal* to speak English (LOL).

Of course, the learning institutions had to keep on teaching *English* to their students so eventually (1969), and silently, they amended the law and reverted back to making English as their official language.

 :P
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #513 on: July 22, 2014, 05:34:15 PM »
So nobody in the other states could understand them?  >:D


It seems like a joke but it actually is true.

I never doubted you for a moment!  The USA is the happy home of some nearly all of the absolute weirdest legislation ever created.

It was gnawing at me last night but just couldn't remember which State it was, so I looked. It was Illinois.

In 1923, as a show of protest against the Brits for dragging their feet in giving Ireland their independence, they made *American* as the official language of the State. It was *illegal* to speak English (LOL).

Of course, the learning institutions had to keep on teaching *English* to their students so eventually (1969), and silently, they amended the law and reverted back to making English as their official language.

 :P

Of course, as there are several hundred "American" languages (or dialects), that could have had a somewhat fraught ending if people had taken them literally.  By 1969, though, I wonder what percentage of Illinois residents knew that this law was on the books?  0.000001%?

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #514 on: July 23, 2014, 12:13:55 PM »
CNN had a panel of *experts* convened to discussed the available *evidence* being presented so far to further accuse Russian of  complicity in the downing of MH17. The one particular one that everyone found to be hilarious was the video between a commander and his field personnel's intercepted conversation about searching and retrieving the black boxes..






It was asked; "Doesn't it seem strange to you how this transcript of supposed intercepted call is making sure that *someone really high up* (Moscow) had to be inscribed?"

::::Laughter:::

Response: Yeah. Maybe had they added a *wink wink* emoticon after the word 'Moscow', the world would have no doubt!"

 :ROFL:   
   
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #515 on: July 23, 2014, 12:49:50 PM »
The real strategy is to wait until all of the Russian military has retired and moved to Ukraine and then BAM!!
Full scale invasion of Russia!
 
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #516 on: July 23, 2014, 03:13:52 PM »
I think Lee Ann McAdoo is cute!!!

I like the T-Rex sighting in Texas...LMAO! It's true! It's on Youtube!


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #517 on: July 23, 2014, 04:21:51 PM »
The material in the link below is what cutie pie Lee Ann McAdoo was referring to.

http://mashable.com/2014/07/22/russia-mh17-plane-evidence/

While I will remain objective about this tragic event until the truth surfaces up, I contend, if the Russians are releasing satellite images as evidence, why are we (US) content on relying to Kiev's YOUTUBE videos and cartoon rendering?

Please USA, my stars and stripes, show us the money!

Lee Ann McAdoo, cute as she is, is still not as cute as CNN's Erin Burnett. GGrrrrr.....  :P

BTW - I forgot to add the notation: The release of the Russian information coincided with the US Intelligence (questionably vague) announcement that the downing of MH17 have 'no direct link to' Russia yesterday....
 
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #518 on: July 23, 2014, 07:34:24 PM »
http://mashable.com/2014/07/22/russia-mh17-plane-evidence/

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Russian counterpoint #1: Why did MH17 deviate its route?

immaterial

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Russian counterpoint #2: Missile launchers near Donetsk According to the Russian Ministry of Defense's data, Ukraine's military had three or four Buk-M1 missile launchers based near the embattled eastern city of Donetsk on the day the plane was downed.

So, the Ukrainians are shooting down their own planes. Well that's rich!

 

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Russian counterpoint #3: Ukrainian radar activity Ukrainian radar activity in the days leading up to the crash gradually increased in the nearby area, according to Russian officials.

If the Russians are so un-involved, how would they know so much about it?

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Russian counterpoint #4:
 There were two other civilian flights in the area around the time the plane was shot out of the sky: a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore and a flight from Paris to Taipei.

Maybe they deviated their course like the Dutch plane did? Bad weather maybe?

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Russian counterpoint #5: Video of the Buk missile system

Takes us back to point #2...the Ukrainians are cruising the separatist area with half a missile system to shoot down who?

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Russian counterpoint #6: U.S. satellite imagery U.S. officials have said they possess satellite images proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched from a specific location.
So where are the images? And was there a satellite overhead at the precise time the airliner was downed?

There's always somebody watching someone else 8)

Lee Ann huh?
Info war or info whore?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #519 on: July 23, 2014, 07:40:07 PM »
The Russians haven't released any of their results either.  As for the billboard in Ukrainian controlled territory, that has been debunked.


http://twitter.com/AricToler/status/491308413557538816/photo/1
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #520 on: July 23, 2014, 10:04:19 PM »
There was a U.S. briefing today in which satellite images were released.  The U.S. stated the attack having been carried out by Ukraine is "not a plausible scenario".


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-discloses-intelligence-on-downing-of-malaysian-jet/2014/07/22/b178fe58-11e1-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #521 on: July 24, 2014, 03:18:53 PM »
It seems like a joke but it actually is true. It was gnawing at me last night but just couldn't remember which State it was, so I looked. It was Illinois.

In 1923, as a show of protest against the Brits for dragging their feet in giving Ireland their independence, they made *American* as the official language of the State. It was *illegal* to speak English (LOL).

Of course, the learning institutions had to keep on teaching *English* to their students so eventually (1969), and silently, they amended the law and reverted back to making English as their official language.

This documentary is being made available to anyone who might have wondered what life was like in Illinois when the language law was still in effect (pre-1969) and *American* was then the State's official language.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #522 on: July 30, 2014, 11:02:22 AM »
Speaking of propaganda, why do separatists (and Moscow) characterize the new government in Kiev as being 'fascist'?? 

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #523 on: July 30, 2014, 11:08:32 AM »
Because of the Svoboda members of the Rada and cabinet.  However, Svoboda had the exact same number of seats in the Rada when the Party of Regions controlled it as well, and have never been a majority party.  I believe they hold six seats.


Because of their agitation at Euromaidan, Svoboda deputies were awarded cabinet posts.  However, some of those have already been vacated.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #524 on: July 30, 2014, 02:32:49 PM »
Speaking of propaganda, why do separatists (and Moscow) characterize the new government in Kiev as being 'fascist'??


Because the term was ingrained in their subconscious as being the equivalent of a man eating a child raw. So once you create enough hysteria, reasoning flies out the window.


I take it you never took politics 101.


Edit: Just like socialist in this country. The exact same thing.
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