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I'll be sure to check out mamba.... when I have time!



Why wait? Also sign up on bride.ru who gets most of their women from Mamba. At Bride.ru the ladies full contact info, email and phone are available right off the bat. You'll find your online game is not as good as you think but the action you receive there is realistic. Until you accept reality, you'll have a hard time functioning and being successful in the online dating world. Western dating sites with Western women aren't much different than Western sites who use FSU women. A guy can be played here or there.


DM World is the parent company of freeukrainianwomen.com and many others. Below link shows how much the top performing partner site made per day. They also say one out of six registered men will pay for a membership. Like a car salesman, they know if you walk away, you probably won't buy from them. It's probably why you get bait(a lot of first contact from women.)


http://www.owndating.com/


Here they say a partner site will get paid for every profile they list and 50% of the membership fees. Now you understand the motivation to keep you interested and signed up and that there could be profiles at the site that are not real.


http://profitdating.ru/info_rule.html


Below is a list of sites they work with from 2010. Some are still active and they've added a few since then. Some FSU feeder agencies own those sites and there is motivation to list profiles since they get paid for everyone and get YOU to pay a membership on their site since they get a cut. They also want you to continue a membership month after month.


http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=32125


Some agency probably got bold by putting a tv star's photos on the site. They got caught. Proof that every lady there is not verified as real and really interested in getting married to a Westerner.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/177228/Cheryl-Cole-is-a-bride


A few more sister sites below.


http://bridesukraine.net/texts/company_at_glance


http://www.ruswomans.com/


http://lovewife.ru/texts/services


http://www.russianwomencenter.com/


If you want to continue to use freeukrainianwomen.com, you have been educated and as long as you understand you're the fish, not the fisherman, the bait will be delicious.

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Very interesting, BillyB. Sounds like bride.ru is a better match than mamba, so I'll be sure to check it out. I do think time is better spent going to a site that is geared towards women who want to marry foreigners, over one where women are aiming to date locals. But if you can make a compelling argument as to why mamba is better, I'll check that out. I still work a 9-5 job so I can't be running all over the place though :)
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Sounds like bride.ru is a better match than mamba



Bride.ru is only better in the fact all women there are open to relocating. There are much more women at Mamba. You're going to get less first contacts with women at these sites and you'll have less women responding to your messages and mail so the key is to write as many as possible and hopefully enough women write back to keep you busy.


Bride.ru also gets rid of old profiles and doesn't get involved with agencies. I've also learned many FSU women give up their pursuit of a Western husband after a few months. They enter this endeavor excited but quickly become jaded by the losers, not serious, and the morally bankrupt men out there. I didn't get many responses from profiles older than 6 months, sometimes because the ladies stopped checking their emails but I called them on the phone and most of them were happy I did.
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I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week. I'm only going to (hopefully) marry one girl anyway right?

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I'm only going to (hopefully) marry one girl anyway right?


Yep, one girl.... at a time.


I've been doing some research and notice on freeukrainianwomen.com there are more women online than men and women tend to write more letters than men. I created a profile with no description of myself and no photos to get this info. I already got matches in my inbox. It's Sunday night for American men and we're sitting awake at home so one would think we'd be on the site more than women yet FSU women are online more than us. It's in the morning hours for FSU women so they should be sleeping or working. Maybe they are working? Things that make you go "Hmmmm". It's not normal for FSU to burn their morning hours looking for a husband on the internet.


First link below is a profile on freeukrainianwomen definitely written by an agency. Next two links are from Bride.ru that are most likely written by the individual. Usually FSU write profiles like this or with less info.


http://freeukrainianwomen.com/gal/details/101318918?forceiframe=1


http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/925/925011P5.html


http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/924/924803P3.html
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That's a long-ass profile. Not very many on freeukranianwomen.com (FUW) are as long as that. Most are like the bride.ru links.

One thing I've noticed is there are some profiles on FUW that are model pictures, or have the girl in all sorts of sexy poses. None of the girls I'm talking to on Skype and Viber are anything like that. So yeah, some of the profiles are suspect.

I must say the $99.95 per month for bride.ru is pretty damn steep. Sure I could afford it, but at the same time I know there are real girls on FUW so maybe the $35 a month is a good deal even if some of the profiles are fake.

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There's a LOT of flakiness when it comes to online dating, let alone international online dating. Another site you could try that's absolutely free is Fdating.com.  Free to send messages and receive them.  Ladies from all over too, not just FSUW.  Again it's online dating, but just use some common sense and you'll be fine.

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I must say the $99.95 per month for bride.ru is pretty damn steep. Sure I could afford it, but at the same time I know there are real girls on FUW so maybe the $35 a month is a good deal even if some of the profiles are fake.


Honest businesses have to charge more to stay in business. I don't have a problem with businesses making money, only how they make that money. The last time I used bride.ru, I was allowed to get 30 contact info a day or roughly 900 a month. That amounts to 11 cents a profile which includes email, address, and phone number. I only needed them a month so it was good value for me. 11 cents each to get the email, address, and phone number of 900 beautiful FSU women is a damn good deal. Surely one of those 900 women is going to like you. Isn't the ONE worth $99?


On the site you're using, you don't get all that. You've been doing this for years probably on questionable sites. If you wasted an hour a day with Boris, the employee of the month, you will have wasted 30 hours of your life each month with ghost writers. The girls you end up meeting online may lure you to visit but not be interested in you. What is the cost of all that nonsense in time and money? Sure you can do things cheaper and navigate through the games that are played but I don't think it's worth it. There are free sites out there with less games. Freepersonals.ru is one of them.
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That's a good point. Sorry freeukranianwomen.com was the first site I saw recommended in the newbie section on this forum, so I figured they were pretty legit.

Just to set the record straight, I did this whole thing 9 years ago. I bet I spent a good $2000 with agencies that I didn't have to spend.  I still met some nice 'real' girls when I visited Kiev though. I'm just jumping in again after all this time. Who knows maybe I'll up and marry an American after all. American women aren't all bad lol.

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Billy has some great points....The reality is there are guys that have met women (real women) on the sites that have the biggest scam rates. Use caution on any site and keep the guidelines in mind

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I'm only going to (hopefully) marry one girl anyway right?

That's sort of taking a limited view to your potential enjoyment of life.
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Mobyone, are you just being a troll here? Seriously?!?

IF you had read all my post, you would know my observations were quite serious. Your 'research' made YOU a 'scammer' - if you meant a profile that was not real ....You didn't stop to think about the consequences of creating fake profiles using someone else's photos ...

I am only reporting my experience, that's all. I never said flirts = success. That is purely your assumption.

Hardly, I based my conclusion - backed up with your words ..

My goal, if you read my original post, was to find out whether the girls sending flirts were legit girls and not scammers. I am now reporting that many of the flirts are converting to live conversations, meaning at least a good chunk of initial flirts seem to be legit, interested ladies. This is all relevant to the purpose of this thread.

Just to remind you, I read you posts and I'm sorry, you aren't convincing me... I rather think, you are trying to convince yourself ..


I am not building up a "harem" as you put it, or preying on 'victims'. The reference to a porn problem or criminal record was a hypothetical example, nothing more.

LOUSY examples, then

  The point of me saying that was to illustrate the point that one shouldn't reveal too much too soon on a public profile regarding certain weaknesses one may have (and I realize that certain violent/exploitive criminals should be avoided by the ladies at all costs, but you know in my home state, a traffic ticket is a crime, so 'criminal' is a very broad term).

Luckily, most of us don't live in such states... please bear that in mind ..

Naturally, I agree about not posting too much info on a public profile - other than what you seek / desire. Negatives - esp. if needing translating - are something you might  want to reveal - if you want to progress past a few dates. As you should know,most serious FSU women will be inquisitive and ask searching questions


I'm not looking for mere "virtual" relationships. Did I ever say anything to indicate I was?

Again, it's the impression you give in your 'conclusions' - whether you intended it or not.

I've visited Kiev twice in the past and found one girl who told me she loved me and was willing to marry me. I don't claim to know everything but also I'm not a total newb to this.

You suggest otherwise with you 'reliance' on flirts. In MY experience, legit, hot women, who register on dating sites quickly tire of the flood of  - mainly - inane emails and occasionally login - hoping for a sensible guy. They rarely send 'flirts'  You need to contact THEM



Why do you think writing several women at once, to find the RIGHT ONE to visit and hopefully marry, constitutes assembling a harem? I find your terminology disrespectful. You realize a harem is a captive group or prostitutes and/or sex slaves right? When you were writing your spouse-to-be and other ladies online, did you look at them as your harem? Why are you using terminology like that here?

I used the term virtual 'harem' - please don't get bent out of shape / 'offended'. I see no harm writing to a few ladies, if you are honest in your intentions to try to meet the one or ones you wish to check out in reality - I see harm - if you have the gall to create female profiles that your fellow males may waste their time writing to - let alone who's photos you've used. You are no better than the 'scammers' - the 'fake' ladies. To be clear ... my Russian partner used the term virtual 'harem' for the guys who have loads of women as friends online, but in reality never have an intention to meet. Guys that get a thrill out of being popular / getting many replies.

Your research proves nothing other than you are guilty of the 'stunts' by ladies that you suggest offend you.


You are seriously trolling me because I'm honestly reporting my online experience? Do you really have a problem with me sharing my beliefs on how to write a good profile, that may help other guys on this site get results? Isn't our point here to share and help each other get better in this area?

YES, it is great to see a member posting helpful advice  - I don't regard much of your 'research' as being sound, nor your conclusions. That I might be a 'troll' for countering your 'advice' speaks volumes ...

Yes I set up a recon profile once a few years ago, for maybe 5 days. If you don't like that, fine whatever. But I guarantee you've done much worse things in your life, so get off your high horse you condescending hypocrite.

It was a dumb thing to do and to suggest others to do - I have explained why. 

I have indeed done some daft things and posted them here as a testament of how not to do act...  examples

1/ I have paid money to pay per letter dating sites

2/ I have paid money for an airline ticket for a woman I had never met  - and invited her to visit ME first - but we later married.



Fortunately almost everyone else on this site has been great, so thanks guys (and gals).

May be they don't want to upset you,  couldn't be bothered to post or worse thought you were being 'smart' ...

I saw you offering some really BAD advice  - based on daft conclusions and here we are.

I do not seek to upset you - I want you to 'wake up'... I want you and other folk  to be successful  and meet the woman / guy of their dreams

Try not to be hurt and realise that no matter how upset you might be by my countering your 'advice' - it was meant to make you modify your approach and to highlight it's flaws and even insensitivity
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Bride.ru also gets rid of old profiles and doesn't get involved with agencies

Billy, Bride.ru allow ladies to keep rejoining using the same photos they used 10 years ago and they never age ..  :D

Example - Alexandra from SPb... she was 36 in 2005 and when I last looked was 41.

I saw profiles on EM with profile photos from 2006

I don't blame the sites - but wonder why certain folk think it is ok to use old photos and lie about their age.

The first skype - or similar  - meeting will reveal the fib, any way

 



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freeukranianwomen.com was the first site I saw recommended in the newbie section on this forum, so I figured they were pretty legit.



Somebody recommended them and they're similar to Elena's Models which many people recommend. Both require men to pay monthly. Although there's less chance for feeder agencies to scam men compared to pay per letter, there's still the opportunity for feeder agencies to try and make extra money in another fashion.


Billy, Bride.ru allow ladies to keep rejoining using the same photos they used 10 years ago and they never age ..  :D



A poster once said he met a woman on an online dating site and he drove the next State over to meet her. She was 15 years older than her photos and 100lbs heavier. No dating site or marriage site is perfect. They can't be our protective mother and police all rolled into one. As individuals we have to be aware not everything may seem as it is on the internet.


What Bride.ru does is call all ladies who sign up, no matter where they're at in the FSU, to verify they are a lady and are searching for a Western man. Less chance for scammers there but anything is possible. What I like about Bride.ru is that they don't throw bait to men to lure them into paying for a bigger or recurring membership. They also don't deal with feeder agencies who have different motives. A lot of their women come from Mamba, a dating site, not a marriage agency. A guy will get less action there compared to at the big agencies but it's real.
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A poster once said he met a woman on an online dating site and he drove the next State over to meet her. She was 15 years older than her photos and 100lbs heavier. No dating site or marriage site is perfect. They can't be our protective mother and police all rolled into one. As individuals we have to be aware not everything may seem as it is on the internet.



I don't know when this happened, but in 2015 it should pretty much NEVER happen.  There are enough ways to video chat...even in the worst case scenario where a man would have to pay a few bucks for a gal to have access to the internet for a video feed....that is a hell of a lot better than making the effort of a trip to see a woman 100 pounds different than advertised. 


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I just happened to be browsing about the internet....

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I have communicated with thousands of women and understand how FSU women write their own profiles and know they very rarely initiate first contact.

BillyB

I beg to differ - it my experience I received many letters - irrespective of the site.  My former Russian wife contacted me on Lucky Lovers - as I had excluded her - having viewed her profile a few times and decided 9 years was too big a gap - I was 45 and she 36, at the time.

Sure, I wrote letters - but not many ladies fitted my criteria and my profiles were quite 'hard' in attempt to STOP the inane letters from ladies who were never going to be written to by me. I would say most were genuine profiles and perfectly charming ladies - just didn't 'do it' for me.

*I* wrote to SC.. on Mamba.ru and one of the dmnotify.com family - forget which one - there are so many names and they all lead to the same place ...    She rarely logged in - so set about looking through social media sites to track her down...


May be our differing experience is based on the fact that I was 44/5 - looking for a woman in her early 40's the first time and and 8 years on was looking for a woman in her mid 40's.





 










 




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I beg to differ - it my experience I received many letters - irrespective of the site.  My former Russian wife contacted me on Lucky Lovers - as I had excluded her - having viewed her profile a few times and decided 9 years was too big a gap - I was 45 and she 36, at the time.



I've heard many good things about Lucky Lovers and there have been others that showed up at the forum that found their husband or wife there. It's possible most ladies who do not get a lot of attention engage in initial first contact.


Lucky Lovers lets you sign up for free but to use most features, one has to pay right? It's normal for this business model domestic or foreign to lure men into paying for a monthly membership. Does it happen 100% of the time? Probably not but it happens more often than not.


I've used sites where women have more freedom and less chance for the business owner to play games. You've seen my photos. I'm not ugly or severely out of shape. Friends and family have told me my wife isn't the most beautiful FSU lady I've dated so I can believe I can attract women but still, ladies initiate first contact with me very rarely and I'm confident if any guy, no matter how good looking he is, that uses bride.ru or Mamba will have the same results.
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Hi all I am new here! I've been to Ukraine twice but that was 9 years ago. Both trips I found a good girl and on the 2nd trip I found a couple scammers as well :(

Anyhow, figured I'd try Ukraine again as I'm now 41 and the dating scene in Utah is not that great - many of the women are divorced with 3 kids and emotional wrecks. I'm oversimplifying of course, but you know how it goes...

So per recommendations on this site I signed up to freeukrainianwomen.com. Probably spent 5 hours on it doing searches and also putting up a good profile with lots of interesting pics of me doing interesting stuff. I'm moderately attractive, in good shape, good job, and I'm pretty good with putting up a good online dating profile. But I am overwhelmed by 20 flirts and another 7-8 letters in 5 hours. I'm sure at this point another 10 have dropped in my inbox.
 
This may sound like bragging, but actually I'm a bit concerned as to how many of these might be scammers just waiting to pounce on the new guy? Has anyone else had experience with this PARTICULAR site, who could tell me how many of these might actually be legit? Is this just because I'm new, or are women really this desperate to find a decent guy and get the hell out of Ukraine?!? A lot of the girls who sent me flirts were ones I favorited first, and I was picking girls from towns other than the big ones like Kiev and Odessa.

Thanks for any input or tips for this specific site.

I havent had a chance to read this discussion in detail. But wanted to respond regarding the subject with my "limited "experience.
I had signed up on quite a few sites in my pursuit and felt that this site was better than others in weeding out fake profiles. Found my girl here, met her twice in the past 6 months and working towards the next step.
I would give a thumbs up to this site.
At the same time, the more  you read all the earlier discussions and suggestions from the pros, the better equipped you will be to handle this not so easy pursuit.

I learnt a lot about the women from others peoples experiences on this site. I think the guys here are spot on with their assessment. My respect for the women from these regions has gone up a notch or two. They are not only beautiful, but have great character too. (There are always shady people everywhere in the world, I'm focusing on the good ones here).
In terms of the strategy, I came up with my own game plan, rather than following the text book routine suggested here as I know my strengths and weaknesses better than anybody else.
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I've heard many good things about Lucky Lovers and there have been others that showed up at the forum that found their husband or wife there. It's possible most ladies who do not get a lot of attention engage in initial first contact.

BillyB - I assure you that 'lack of attention' was not an issue - just being so far east. Plenty of guys who wrote said. 'I'll be in Moscow, if you want to meet up'   - not realising that a 3 day train journey or the equiv of a trans-atlantic flight east to west was hardly an incentive to meet a guy on a VM trip.

Please note I did mention that with ALL the sites, I tried ..that there was no shortage of ladies who wrote- taking the initiative.. I was taking issue with your generalisation that "I know they [ FSUW] very rarely initiate first contact. "


That is just not my experience ... hence I do not want members thinking otherwise - if they are blessed with letters. I always responded to every letter - as the lady had taken the trouble to write.


Lucky Lovers lets you sign up for free but to use most features, one has to pay right? It's normal for this business model domestic or foreign to lure men into paying for a monthly membership. Does it happen 100% of the time? Probably not but it happens more often than not.


I've used sites where women have more freedom and less chance for the business owner to play games. You've seen my photos. I'm not ugly or severely out of shape. Friends and family have told me my wife isn't the most beautiful FSU lady I've dated so I can believe I can attract women but still, ladies initiate first contact with me very rarely and I'm confident if any guy, no matter how good looking he is, that uses bride.ru or Mamba will have the same results.


BillyB, I'm afraid I'm the last person to ask if you are handsome - or not - I'm a bloke ;) I've not seen your good lady - all that matters is what you think of her ;)

I haven't used LL for 8 years - so I can't remember the business model - sorry. I would NOT use a pay by letter model - I seem to remember that there was a monthly fee.

I have used Bride.ru  2004/5 and 2014 and mamba.ru in 2014  - as I said,the latter is where I found S.C.   On both sites I received lots of initial contact from women - I always made it clear that I will not respond to 'flirts' , 'Hellos' , 'Hearts' or  what I consider to be inane  forms of first contact, in my profile - and still got them - thus proving many ladies don't bother to read the profile  :D


Bride.ru is a shadow of it's former self and EM - I hated the new layout - never gave it a spin second time around
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Mobyone, are you just being a troll here? Seriously?!?

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Yes I set up a recon profile once a few years ago, for maybe 5 days. If you don't like that, fine whatever. But I guarantee you've done much worse things in your life, so get off your high horse you condescending hypocrite.


Wow, you advocate setting up a fake profile to, "recon", then ask Mobey if he is the one being a troll?  I couldn't care less about getting into a personal pissing contest, but how could you seriously offer advice like that, then in any way imply someone calling you on it was being a troll?

Who cares what Mobey, or anyone else, has done in their life?  It has no bearing on what you are suggesting.

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From my perspective, I'd say that it is true that an average Russian woman's appearance would be more attractive than that of an average American woman. Different genes, food, education counts. No diversity, no promotion of weak or mediocrity, a winner-takes-all mentality.

I disagree with this.  There is plenty of promotion of the weak and mediocre in Russia.

As for attractiveness, I disagree that it is because of genes or education (what does education have to do with beauty?).  Food, yes.  Less junk food, and less food (calories) consumed.

Recently, I was reading about Richard Avedon.  His favourite model was an American housewife, discovered coming out of a store.  One of his most iconic photos of her is below (with the elephants).  She retired at 35, she said, before the camera would be cruel.  Her ethnic background was English.  Are her genes "inferior"?










FSUW are not more innately attractive than other women.  They do dress better than WW, and they are generally thinner, and thinner people usually are more aesthetically pleasing than are heavier people. 
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I must say the $99.95 per month for bride.ru is pretty damn steep. Sure I could afford it, but at the same time I know there are real girls on FUW so maybe the $35 a month is a good deal even if some of the profiles are fake.

$99.95 is cheap, if you are going to visit one, you should be able to write
at least a couple hundred girls in a months time and start getting your
sifting your list down.

If you are going to visit many then you can pick a city and then write a
letter to every girl who meets your eye test in a given city and ask them
to meet you for tea.

A trip is going to cost you $3K and up, what's a hundred bucks? You don't
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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
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I disagree with this.  There is plenty of promotion of the weak and mediocre in Russia.

As for attractiveness, I disagree that it is because of genes or education (what does education have to do with beauty?).  Food, yes.  Less junk food, and less food (calories) consumed.

Recently, I was reading about Richard Avedon.  His favourite model was an American housewife, discovered coming out of a store.  One of his most iconic photos of her is below (with the elephants).  She retired at 35, she said, before the camera would be cruel.  Her ethnic background was English.  Are her genes "inferior"?

FSUW are not more innately attractive than other women.  They do dress better than WW, and they are generally thinner, and thinner people usually are more aesthetically pleasing than are heavier people. 

FSUW tend to walk a lot more and eat less junk food. Thinner often
(but not always) makes for a more attractive appearance and this is
especially prevalent in ages above thirty. The percentage of thin Western
Women over the age of thirty is probably less than 10% the percentage
of Russian women who are over 30 and thin is probably more than 50%.

The 20 year old Western Girls are just as attractive as the 20 year old
Russian girls (and likely just as flaky)
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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
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If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Just kiss the girl, don't ask her first. Tolerate NO excuses!

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The percentage of thin Western Women over the age of thirty is probably less than 10% the percentage of Russian women who are over 30 and thin is probably more than 50%


Same with WM.  Though I didn't follow the 10%.  Are you saying 90% of WW over 30 are fat?  I would say it's about half.
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FSUW are not more innately attractive than other women.  They do dress better than WW, and they are generally thinner, and thinner people usually are more aesthetically pleasing than are heavier people.

I am (almost) the only one who has been saying this for years.

It used to drive business men like Jack (rest his soul) crazy.
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