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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #150 on: February 18, 2019, 06:13:33 PM »
"But I do know that just because she isn't willing to share a bed"

ahhh mon cheri!
such a simple remedy to this objection...
twin beds....

and I still posit with great conviction that if he counters with an offer of a suite with two beds that she will still prefer two separate rooms...
ergo she's putting as much distance as possible between them
you think she's doing this cuz "she's a good girl" do you? would you like to buy my old Trump University courses for half price?
I know how women think.  It's nothing about being a "good" girl.  I think asking for 2 rooms is practical, from both their perspectives.  If it turns out they are compatible, the second room will sit unused after a period.  If they are not compatible, then two rooms will look like a genius request.

Again, how many women went on holiday with you to share a bed having never met you in person before the trip? 

Yes, there is a risk she is a scammer, but there are other plausible reasons for asking for a separate room.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #151 on: February 18, 2019, 07:00:57 PM »
I don't think it is a total bad sign when the woman chooses 2 rooms . . . if she is asked the question.

It really is the sane thing to do.

As I noted elsewhere, what I have always done is tell that there will be two separate sleeping areas.

But if you give the option of two rooms, most women would probably choose that . . . at this stage of the game before you have met.

I sometimes also include a line such as:  "you can bring a dog or a gun for protection."

Some women have replied:  "will that be for your protection?"

If you really want to insure there will be sex . . . then ask her to map out her future periods so that you can choose the appropriate meeting times.

But then the excitement and stress of a trip can change that event anyway.

I remember once I spent a romantic week with one gal, then she returned to her home city and we planned for her to come back in 7-10 days or so.  As I kissed her goodbye at the train station, I told her to have her period while she was gone.  In a couple of days she proudly  reported that the event was underway.  Just a coincidence . . . I don't think so.
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #152 on: February 18, 2019, 08:17:11 PM »
"It really is the sane thing to do."

really?
what part of ANY of this is SANE?

the OP has been warned he's being played
if he doubts the veracity of my words
then he's free not to listen to them and proceed as though he didn't hear me...
won't be the first person on this board who I warned was being played
and who later crashed and burned, ScotinCrimea comes to mind...
it's a harsh world
the OP should get a lesson and hit the reset button and next time not make this mistake
she failed his test - how much is she willing to risk for this experience, and how "accommodating" is she...
but he passed hers (is he a good donkey, yes he is!)

ya see folks
this is the result of 20 yr of out thinking Russians on a personal and professional level...
and it's why they pay me the "big bucks" here
do you have a Russian woman problem in your neighborhood?
who ya gonna call!
"Russ Busters"!!! I ain't afraid of no Russian!

good luck dewd, but you must be a "smooth criminal" if you want to deal with Russians and not get gobbled up like you just did
is any of what I'm saying beginning to make sense to you
I'm tryin to teach you survival skills here man
it begins with your attitude
the fact that you've already lost control and aren't the one steering this is a big mistake
the problem is you're used to hunting a different species of woman
and you don't understand how you hunt a Russian woman
but she knows EXACTLY how to play you and you fell for it hook line and sinker (naive American)
as I tell everyone in this adventure, the fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves,
learn from this rookie move and wise up if you want to play in this ball field..







 

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #153 on: February 18, 2019, 09:08:33 PM »
No, I agree, it generally is not sane. 


The most noble thing for the woman to do would be to book and pay for her own accommodation.  As that's not happening, this is a good option.  Only the OP knows if he is willing to take the risk.


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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #154 on: February 19, 2019, 08:52:54 AM »
"Again, how many women went on holiday with you to share a bed having never met you in person before the trip?  "

I didn't meet FSU women this way
I went in person and went out on my own to recruit partners... (still best way IMHO, but few have the resources required)
I debate the point with you that "they've never met"
if they haven't spent a lot of time on Skype with each other then that's a big mistake, so I "assume" perhaps incorrectly that they have
based on extensive skype contact they should both have some idea of "will she or won't she" BEFORE they planned the trip!!!
and the trip should only proceed if there's a "positive" feeling about this...
seems to me someone may have acted prematurely...

I assume the OP met this woman through an agency or social media
so she's LOOKING for what he's SELLING...
isn't the end goal of her endeavor to have sex with a foreign man as well (obviously more than that)
so if the end goal is to consummate this relationship, why separate rooms
and if she's so worried about this issue, then why go at all? (silly me, free trip to Spain, plus gifts)

logical inconsistency plus complete opposite of my travel experiences with FSU women
ALL of whom I'd known for a VERY short time...
my Pravda detector says scammer...




so the outcome of their trip together is either "something will happen" or "it won't"
if you want to maximize the likelihood that "something will happen" you pick the same room
and if YOU WANT TO BETTER GET TO KNOW THE PERSON you pick the same room
but, she picked separate room....

I mean if the OP wants to still go, fine...
but he's just gonna feel like an idiot...
but unfortunately, this is what it takes to learn
a 3 day holiday to Spain is a cheap lesson...

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #155 on: February 19, 2019, 09:30:18 AM »
On my search I considered 4 women - 3 from Russia and 1 from Ukraine.  I skyped/video chatted with all 4.

With two, we progressed to the point where we would more than like have shared a bed on our first meeting.  With the other 2 it was nice but slower paced.  One actually traveled to Florida for vacation and for her daughter to spend time with her ex.  Unfortunately, I was traveling the other way to visit Miss Ukraine.

Anyway, with Miss Florida we would probably have had separate rooms/bedrooms.  It didn't mean she was a scammer, or not interested.  It's just that our online relationship didn't progress to an intimate level and we would need some time together to see how things went.


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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #156 on: February 19, 2019, 09:46:40 AM »
"With two, we progressed to the point where we would more than like have shared a bed on our first meeting."



it would seem logical to choose a meeting from one of these two, as opposed to selecting one of the two that didn't progress to this point...






"Anyway, with Miss Florida we would probably have had separate rooms/bedrooms.  It didn't mean she was a scammer, or not interested.  It's just that our online relationship didn't progress to an intimate level and we would need some time together to see how things went."




I totally see that possibility, and with that circumstance, you'd either give it more time or move on

if you take the information you just posted, and combine with what I posted
then I hope the OP can "see the light"

either "get the feeling" that's being discussed here or bail out because there is none...
you either acted prematurely or she's a scammer, either way you have a "problem"

hard for me to tell, you provide too few clues even for a trained sleuth
so more clues, how much do you skype, what do you talk about?





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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #157 on: February 19, 2019, 10:01:04 AM »
Is too much emphasis being placed on whether or not there will be sex during this couples first get together?

For many persons, men and women, sex is not a really big deal.  OK and even nice, but not the 'end-all.'

I saw the number 3 days together somewhere above.
Three days is really not that long to go without sex.
If if were a week or more, that would be a different story.

One of my Aunts was a breeder of costly dogs (don't remember the breed) way back when.
She had the male.
The female's owners would bring their dogs to my Aunt.
She would put them in separate cages and place the cages next to each other for an hour or so, before she let them out to do their thing.
She said it was best to give them a little bit of time to become acquainted.
That hour was in dog time.
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #158 on: February 19, 2019, 10:50:34 AM »
“is too much emphasis being placed on whether or not there will be sex during this couples first get together?

For many persons, men and women, sex is not a really big deal.  OK and even nice, but not the 'end-all.'”



WHAT???   WHAT???   no really... WHAT???

I can think of nothing more amazing than the first time I saw a naked Ukrainian woman!

I said, “Babooshka, please put a robe on when you come out of the bathroom” (I was 9 at the time!)  haha

but seriously, the first naked Ukrainian woman I ever saw had the most amazing female physical form that I had seen either in person or in pictures

flawless skin, big blue eyes, light brown nearly blond hair, angelic OMG face
perfect muscle tone on abs, legs and buttocks, large breasts with large areola and erect nipples
shaved AND waxed genitalia
seriously, the most erotic looking woman I had ever seen in my entire life!!!!
and the eye contact and facial expressions
she made when she "presented" herself to me
I had never, never seen anything else like it...
I am still enslaved to it...

so noobs listen to uncle krimster
when y’all go to Ukraine, one of two things will happen...
either you’ll see what I saw
or you won’t
now y’all just have to ask yourselves just one question
do you want to see it, or not?
well DO YA?



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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #159 on: February 19, 2019, 10:59:41 AM »
I know how women think.  It's nothing about being a "good" girl.  I think asking for 2 rooms is practical, from both their perspectives.  If it turns out they are compatible, the second room will sit unused after a period.  If they are not compatible, then two rooms will look like a genius request.

Again, how many women went on holiday with you to share a bed having never met you in person before the trip? 

Yes, there is a risk she is a scammer, but there are other plausible reasons for asking for a separate room.

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You know how Western Women think ;) - and how Western Men think, you won't like me saying that but I feel that it is true here.

Western Women will see it as you described, Western Men will see it as a WW will be extremely unlikely to want to share a room having never met before and to even advance such would give out bad signals to her. This is how we have been brought up and socialised in the west.

When the girl I was messaging over a year ago now said to me in a message that we were sharind a one bed apartment together after I ahd just messaged her and video chatted to her once maybe twice I was astounded and didn't know what the wtf was going on until I was assured by a forum member (not Krimster) that said girl was hot for me. Now that would NEVER have happened in the west.

The first girl I met in Kiev on starting out on this venture conversely insisted I get her a single room in the hotel. Fortuntely prices were cheap then so it didn't cost me a lot. To me at the time it made sense as this is the normal expectation in the west to have separate rooms if never met in person before. Yet as we all know now Romance never occurred, there was one brief moment where it might have if I pressed but I was oblivious to FSU ways at the time. She had essentially gone there just with the intention of getting out the dire state Mariupol is in for a bit of respite and with the hope of an all expenses paid get away seeing some of the things she like - performing arts/classical music stuff. She went there with little intention of a relationship so I was essentially being played. I don't think she was a bad or insincere girl but that it is just the way out there for many women to mess around like this. She was actually a pleasant girl to be around and reasonably attractive.

So I go along with what Krimster says, its odds on he is being play, quite how bad who knows. Its concievable that it may end up in a relationship but the chances aren't good. Essentailly she is likely going out there with the intent to play the guy. She may turn out to be a pleasnt person and not an insincere scammer in the worst possible way but in a way it is concievably a holiday scam.

Personally though I think as said before that DC should still definately go. For the sake of three days the experience will be invaluable. All my experiences have allowed me to learn what the game is out there. I don't think its possible to fathom what people on here are talking about just sitting at the keyboard and backing out of potentially but great decisions, he needs some context to relate to for the future.

All of us guys looking for a girl in the FSU are playing Russian Roulette here. Krimster is a great guy and knows of old what comes up in such a game and how to handle FSW. I have not handled FSW well in the past and have made mistakes but like to think that I have learned so I can not stuff up the hand I am dealt next time. I think DC will learn a lot out of this encounter too.
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #160 on: February 19, 2019, 11:35:23 AM »
" Krimster is a great guy and knows of old what comes up in such a game and how to handle FSW"

thank you for the endorsement!!!!
I would like to say that you also are a great guy, but ummm...
haha kidding, dewd we like you so MUCH here in Texas
that we have OFFICIALLY renamed all long narrow excavations in the state as "Trenches" in your honor govner!!!

part dva
BTW, dcdewd
if you're still planning on goin
then if I were you, I'd go there with an "ace up my sleeve"

yup, look up "burandanga” including how to buy some
bring it with you
what you do with it is up to you and ONLY you will ever know...
but, if this woman is scamming you
then karma can be a REAL bitch ummm hmmmm....

who ya gonna call?
Russ Busters!




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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #161 on: February 19, 2019, 01:58:25 PM »
You know how Western Women think ;) - and how Western Men think, you won't like me saying that but I feel that it is true here.


I've lived with an FSUM for over 30 years.  So, I am fairly certain I know how men from Russia/Ukraine think, as well.


I lived cheek to jowl with FSUW for half a decade, and correspond with many, so I am fairly certain I know how FSUW think as well.  The notion that an FSUW of integrity will jump into bed with a man she has never met, in person, is far fetched.

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When the girl I was messaging over a year ago now said to me in a message that we were sharind a one bed apartment together after I ahd just messaged her and video chatted to her once maybe twice I was astounded and didn't know what the wtf was going on until I was assured by a forum member (not Krimster) that said girl was hot for me. Now that would NEVER have happened in the west.


Was she?  Or was she looking for (a) a passport; (b) someone to buy her a vacation and/or clothing.


You forget.  I have relatives in Ukraine, as does my husband.  Tons of them.  Not one, other than the better half, is married to a Westerner,  If you asked them if they'd be willing to share a bed with a man they'd been messaging online, all but one, who is of rather dubious moral character, would look at you as if you'd just landed from another plantet. 

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So I go along with what Krimster says, its odds on he is being play,
krimster's experience was with women he'd actually met face to face.  He never arranged vacations with women he'd never actually met in person. 


Your view that people are somehow fundamentally different in the most basic of human interactions is part of your problem.  You are idealizing FSUW, but at the same time, viewing them as "easy".  They are, in the end, no different from women world over.


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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #162 on: February 19, 2019, 02:11:37 PM »

I've lived with an FSUM for over 30 years.  So, I am fairly certain I know how men from Russia/Ukraine think, as well.


I lived cheek to jowl with FSUW for half a decade, and correspond with many, so I am fairly certain I know how FSUW think as well.  The notion that an FSUW of integrity will jump into bed with a man she has never met, in person, is far fetched.


Was she?  Or was she looking for (a) a passport; (b) someone to buy her a vacation and/or clothing.


You forget.  I have relatives in Ukraine, as does my husband.  Tons of them.  Not one, other than the better half, is married to a Westerner,  If you asked them if they'd be willing to share a bed with a man they'd been messaging online, all but one, who is of rather dubious moral character, would look at you as if you'd just landed from another plantet. 
krimster's experience was with women he'd actually met face to face.  He never arranged vacations with women he'd never actually met in person. 


Your view that people are somehow fundamentally different in the most basic of human interactions is part of your problem.  You are idealizing FSUW, but at the same time, viewing them as "easy".  They are, in the end, no different from women world over.


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Even if we accept that, question remains why do we not hear of western women jumping straight into bed with men?
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #163 on: February 19, 2019, 02:35:03 PM »
Lots of WW jump straight into bed with WM. 

My male cousins had no problems finding women willing to jump their bones within hours of meeting them when they were young.  None of them married those women, but finding them was no problem. 

One cousin, in his forties, bedded a girl of 19 that he met in a bar the first night he met her.  This was about three years ago.  He saw her for a few months, but concluded she was "wearing him out", so he dumped her.  His next partner, the woman he is still with (but not living with), is about 12 years younger than him.

Our son gets hit on all the time when he goes out, but he isn't interested in putting notches on his bedpost.

I would hazard a guess men here could tell you they had no problem bedding WW, if that was what they wanted.

Just because WW don't hop into bed with you, or you don't seek them out, doesn't mean it doesn't happen routinely.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #164 on: February 19, 2019, 02:41:37 PM »
she was "wearing him out", so he dumped her. 

Couldn't he seek a 'Ремонт?'
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #165 on: February 19, 2019, 02:47:37 PM »
He is a chemical free kind of guy.  >:D


There's a reason young women prefer young men.


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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #166 on: February 19, 2019, 02:59:32 PM »
There's a reason young women prefer young men.

We watch re-runs of the Fraiser TV series.

On a recent episode, Fraiser remembers that (25 years ago) when he was 17 he had sex several times with his piano teacher who was 20 or so years older than himself.
He had expressed his love for her, and now he is feeling guilty that he went off to Harvard without even saying goodbye to her.

So to atone, he goes by her house to apologize.
She said it was no problem and that she had always felt guilty that he was cheated out of some music lessons.
She is still quite good looking in her mid 60s, so he asks if they could go get some coffee.

Just then, the door bell rings and her date for the night . . . a late 20s guy shows up.

She tells Fraiser:  "I didn't care for 40 year old men when I was with you . . . and I still don't."
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #167 on: February 20, 2019, 12:36:43 PM »
Wow, this has taken on a completely different life! I have to agree with Boethius  on this, I don't blame my Russian Lady for wanting a two bedroom. Hike I want sort of want a two bedroom too, people can have wierd sleeping habits, I figure may day three after we get to know each other maybe share a room. Regardless of that, I have tried to subtitly say I don't want to be on the off the ppl site. But she has said she has grown accustomed to having a physical person translate the messages says it is better than the auto translators. But I have told her I want to start using Skype or something else and left it up to her to decide if she wants to continue to communicate with me.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #168 on: February 20, 2019, 01:02:37 PM »
Wow, this has taken on a completely different life! I have to agree with Boethius  on this, I don't blame my Russian Lady for wanting a two bedroom. Hike I want sort of want a two bedroom too, people can have wierd sleeping habits, I figure may day three after we get to know each other maybe share a room. Regardless of that, I have tried to subtitly say I don't want to be on the off the ppl site. But she has said she has grown accustomed to having a physical person translate the messages says it is better than the auto translators. But I have told her I want to start using Skype or something else and left it up to her to decide if she wants to continue to communicate with me.

Yeah I wouldn't push out the boat anymore on that one or you might be vacationing in Spain alone, lol. Don't think there is any point making my a fuss now over it as probably not too long till your holiday now, just learn whatever there is to learn. Course there is a chance it may all come good for you so just see how it goes. When is your holiday again? Somewhere around April time was it?
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2019, 01:38:52 PM »
"have tried to subtitly say I don't want to be on the off the ppl site. But she has said she has grown accustomed to having a physical person translate the messages says it is better than the auto translators."

RED ALERT!!!!  RED ALERT!!!!

this is what the agencies coach them to say
and the EXACT OPPOSITE of how a Russian woman normally behaves, they are loathe to let "their man" spend even one kopec unnecessarily
so what's her commission per letter?
you do know she gets a "piece of the action" right?
don't you see how you're being played?

it's not "if" you're going to get scammed or not in Spain...
no...no...no...
you're ALREADY being scammed!

Russ Busters!!!!
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #170 on: February 20, 2019, 02:30:06 PM »
That's honestly what I thought the odds are of what is happening here Krim. I still think it's best for DC to follow through and learn from it. I don't think he'll have his eyelids fully cranked open unless he follows through on this. I think he can still have a good time in Spain regardless as even women that aren't all that sincere can be good fun. He just needs to avoid buying any expensive jewellery etc for her on holiday as it will be a pointless expense especially if he isn't getting laid. Since DC is quite wealthy and it's just a weekend the damage shouldn't be too big.
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« Reply #171 on: February 20, 2019, 02:57:29 PM »
and remember, according to Spanish law, it's not rape if she's a scammer!!  (true!  look it up!! you can't say anything that isn't true on the internet!)

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #172 on: February 20, 2019, 03:04:45 PM »
There is a chance that she feels more comfortable with a translator, but in 99% of cases, if a translator is being paid, the woman is getting a cut of the translation fee, or the translator is a personal friend.


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« Reply #173 on: February 20, 2019, 03:18:20 PM »
If this woman were truly serious about establishing a relationship with you, she would have agreed to Skype always. I guess the money she gets from the PPL is more important. I suggest you move on and find another. Meeting her in Spain will not end well for you I predict.
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« Reply #174 on: February 21, 2019, 12:36:28 PM »
Again, how many women went on holiday with you to share a bed having never met you in person before the trip? 

Yes, there is a risk she is a scammer, but there are other plausible reasons for asking for a separate room.

That's the primary reason that most of us recommend visiting her in person in
or near her city. If things don't work out, she goes on with her life and he tries
to see if he can meet some other girls and they aren't stuck together in a foreign
vacation spot.

His employer doesn't allow that so he has to do something else.

I think the guy needs to find out NOW if his employer would have a problem with
him marrying a girl from this country and what other countries that his employer
might have a problem with.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
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