Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[Darth_Budda]

Thanks! I hope to run in NYS with in the next few years,, I am slowly getting people together to make a run for assembly under the greens.


I don't think we should be Tolerant of Hate groups..

I understand some people think that freedom of speech includes
Hate speech against one group or another. But I disagree.

To be honest I think most people think these white power groups are dangerous.
It you feel the need to stick up for them. Go for it. But i will assure you many more will stand up and see these people for what they are.

It's the same reason why these groups need police escorts.
To keep the general public from showing them just how we feel.

Tolerance does not mean hate speech is okay.
Weather it is directed at a Russian Immigrant, or a Mexican Immigrant.

I feel sorry for you, if you think tolerance means supporting or allowing hate groups to be part of your town.

They need to be wiped from the face of the earth.
This is not the 1950..It's 2012..

They had their chance to give up their Racist views, Now we must show them, their time is up. If i ever get a chance to go to one of their rallies you can bet I will their with my buddies to Kick some azz.. They don't represent America or Americans. They have no right to spew their Hate not in my town or yours.

[Maxx2]

 
Anyway, he you should try to find a way for Harvard to release his (O) academic transcripts instead. That's all I'd be interested in.

I'd like see the video of Obumer hanging around with the radical Dorens and Bill Airs that Breitbart was supposed to release on March 1st. Only this 43 year old guy drops dead of a heart attack at 12:07 AM March 1st instead.

[Darth_Budda]

Breitbart,,,

My guess is that he was in to hard drugs... He had issues from what i saw..

It's perfectly natural to die from a heart attack, after years of Cocaine abuse.

[GQBlues]

....
I understand some people think that freedom of speech includes
Hate speech against one group or another. But I disagree....

I do, too! But when Jeremiah Wright spoke, Obama listened, praised and applauded him. Look at him now...I heard he's got so much $$ he was able to renovate his parish since.

How'bout the beer fest they had at the white house, courtesy of you and me, when Henry Louis-Gates spewed hate towards that white policeman..

..or is hate-spewing being 'bad' simply a one-sided issue? Again...for example,
 

America is full of Punks like this,, I plan on making them disappear.

Is this not spewing hate?
 

...I feel sorry for you, if you think tolerance means supporting or allowing hate groups to be part of your town.

Don't be. I'm perfectly fine where I'm sitting...the view is incredible from here 

[Darth_Budda]

1st,, Obama Has Lied...

2nd,,,I am not a democrat.....

3rd,,, I don't think when America executed the Racist Nazi after WWII,
That very many people would think they were Innocent or deserved mercy.

4th,,, We killed them because they were evil. Not because we hated them.

5th,,, No I don't think it is Spewing Hate.. I am spewing the truth. That we are all humans and we all have a right to live in a world were groups Like the KKK, Neo-Nazi and Christian Fundamentalist are no more. Disappear does not mean Killing them,, It means Making what they stand for sociable unpalatable. Do I Hate the Racist,, Hell yea. Because that's all they understand.

What is a Religious Fundamentalist??

Lets look at Afghanistan, a country both Russians and Americans can understand.
I should also point out we armed these groups that killed so many people..
Also Russia never invaded Afghanistan they were asked by the legal government to help fight these religious groups that we armed...

What is a Religious Fundamentalist??

They try to imposes their religious view on the people through Laws... Like sharia law
and they use the State to enforce these views based on religion..

How is that any different than what the Christian conservatives are doing in the united states now?

By telling women what they can and can't do with their body? Based on what??
Religion,,,, Last time I checked we had religious freedom in this country!!

When people like Rick Santorum openly say that the Bible is a higher power than the constitution,
he is being a religious fanatic.. BTW Look up what Santorum means... you will get a laugh..

Look GOD did not write the bible.. It says right on it who wrote it.. King James...

I disagree with the other republicans, but none are as dangerous as Rick.

Really Vote Ron Paul if you want to keep your freedom... The other guys are all fake and jokes..
I would rather vote for a Communist or Socialist candidate, But ron will have to do. We have no right telling other countries what to do. This American Imperialism has to stop.

Why do we still have a trade embargo against Cuba? Why can't Iran have Nuclear power?

Why do we support Israel with their actions against the Palestinians?

I want these fat cats on wall street to pay their fair share. I am fed up with the Lies my government tell us on a daily basis..

I want my country back..

That my honest opinion..

[GoodOlBoy]

Damn dude, you really are a nut job! 
 
GOB
 
PS... OK Daveman, I'm ready, lay it on me. 

[GQBlues]

1st,, Obama Has Lied...

2nd,,,I am not a democrat.....

3rd,,, I don't think when America executed the Racist Nazi after WWII,
That very many people would think they were Innocent or deserved mercy.

4th,,, We killed them because they were evil. Not because we hated them.

5th,,, No I don't think it is Spewing Hate.. I am spewing the truth. That we are all humans and we all have a right to live in a world were groups Like the KKK, Neo-Nazi and Christian Fundamentalist are no more. Disappear does not mean Killing them,, It means Making what they stand for sociable unpalatable. Do I Hate the Racist,, Hell yea. Because that's all they understand.

What is a Religious Fundamentalist??

Lets look at Afghanistan, a country both Russians and Americans can understand.
I should also point out we armed these groups that killed so many people..
Also Russia never invaded Afghanistan they were asked by the legal government to help fight these religious groups that we armed...

What is a Religious Fundamentalist??

They try to imposes their religious view on the people through Laws... Like sharia law
and they use the State to enforce these views based on religion..

How is that any different than what the Christian conservatives are doing in the united states now?

By telling women what they can and can't do with their body? Based on what??
Religion,,,, Last time I checked we had religious freedom in this country!!

When people like Rick Santorum openly say that the Bible is a higher power than the constitution,
he is being a religious fanatic.. BTW Look up what Santorum means... you will get a laugh..

Look GOD did not write the bible.. It says right on it who wrote it.. King James...

I disagree with the other republicans, but none are as dangerous as Rick.

Really Vote Ron Paul if you want to keep your freedom... The other guys are all fake and jokes..
I would rather vote for a Communist or Socialist candidate, But ron will have to do. We have no right telling other countries what to do. This American Imperialism has to stop.

Why do we still have a trade embargo against Cuba? Why can't Iran have Nuclear power?

Why do we support Israel with their actions against the Palestinians?

I want these fat cats on wall street to pay their fair share. I am fed up with the Lies my government tell us on a daily basis..

I want my country back..

That my honest opinion..

For someone who profess to despise hate, you sure seem like one angry fellow who hates your entire society, DB. LOL.

[Maxx2]

For someone who profess to despise hate, you sure seem like one angry fellow who hates your entire society, DB. LOL.

Seems OK to me. Society wants everyone to act like they are on some psychotropic medication that takes the passion out of them. It is good that people get disturbed by the injustice and unfairness of our present system. Ron Paul supporters are on the forefront of this. I suspect people will come around to our way of thinking once they get the shaft in the coming economic collapse.

[Daveman]

Damn dude, you really are a nut job! 
 
GOB
 
PS... OK Daveman, I'm ready, lay it on me. 

 
Well, let's take a look at the what the nut job actually wrote...

1st,, Obama Has Lied...

Hmmm, seems reasonable to me

2nd,,,I am not a democrat.....

Nothing overly nutty there

3rd,,, I don't think when America executed the Racist Nazi after WWII,
That very many people would think they were Innocent or deserved mercy.

4th,,, We killed them because they were evil. Not because we hated them.

Did we kill them all?  Or were some harbored for what we thought we could gain from them?

5th,,, No I don't think it is Spewing Hate.. I am spewing the truth. That we are all humans and we all have a right to live in a world were groups Like the KKK, Neo-Nazi and Christian Fundamentalist are no more. Disappear does not mean Killing them,, It means Making what they stand for sociable unpalatable. Do I Hate the Racist,, Hell yea. Because that's all they understand.

What is a Religious Fundamentalist??

Lets look at Afghanistan, a country both Russians and Americans can understand.
I should also point out we armed these groups that killed so many people..
Also Russia never invaded Afghanistan they were asked by the legal government to help fight these religious groups that we armed...

What is a Religious Fundamentalist??

How is that any different than what the Christian conservatives are doing in the united states now?

By telling women what they can and can't do with their body? Based on what??
Religion,,,, Last time I checked we had religious freedom in this country!!

When people like Rick Santorum openly say that the Bible is a higher power than the constitution,
he is being a religious fanatic.. BTW Look up what Santorum means... you will get a laugh..

Look GOD did not write the bible.. It says right on it who wrote it.. King James...

I disagree with the other republicans, but none are as dangerous as Rick.

No religion should have any place in government.  Religious freedom also includes freedom FROM religion.  While the post is (seemingly) a bit on the emotional side, I cannot disagree with the content.

Really Vote Ron Paul if you want to keep your freedom... The other guys are all fake and jokes..
I would rather vote for a Communist or Socialist candidate, But ron will have to do. We have no right telling other countries what to do. This American Imperialism has to stop.

Can't say I'd support a socialist or communist, I do believe the good ole US of A needs to take care of her own and her own business. 

Why do we still have a trade embargo against Cuba?

Good question, some decent stogies would be nice

Why can't Iran have Nuclear power?

I can answer that one... see number 5 above. 

Why do we support Israel with their actions against the Palestinians?

Another excellent question...

I want these fat cats on wall street to pay their fair share.

Well sure, but define 'fair'

I am fed up with the Lies my government tell us on a daily basis..

I want my country back..

yep, and yep...

That my honest opinion..

I reckon I'm at least part Nutjoblican too..     

[Maxx2]

Can't say I'd support a socialist or communist, I do believe the good ole US of A needs to take care of her own and her own business. 

 

I agree with you Daveman on that and the rest of what you wrote.

[Darth_Budda]

I am done with hate,,, Feel the love 



I am a little passionate about my political convictions.

Sorry.

Yes good point, The USA did keep their hands on several SS officers after WWII..
Because they were Anti-Communist. The CIA most likely though they would be useful in keeping South America In line.

I guess the issue with Iran and the Nuclear option, I just think we should trust the Russians to handle the Power Plant issue. From my understanding they were the ones helping the Iranians build it.
Also Israel has something like 130 Nukes,,, I think.. So Iran get one? Big deal... Odds are if they really wanted they already have some of the old Russian Nuclear suitcase bombs.

[Gator]

 


Can't say I'd support a socialist or communist, I do believe the good ole US of A needs to take care of her own and her own business. 

 

Very few would support socialism.  Yet, many believe Big Government control of capitalism is best.  Here ia a clip from over 30 years ago by a brilliant economist, Milton Friedman.
 
http://dauckster.posterous.com/a-31-year-old-video-clip-absolutely-worth-you

[Gator]

The Super Tuesday results show Santorum not going away but gaining momentum even though his underfunded weak organization made some key mistakes (he was not on the ballot in some Ohio districts)..   So Mitt will need to combat Newt and Rick until the bitter end, making him spend too much from his war chest and making him take more conservative positions, and thereby losing his moderate base.  American politics.   
 
Rick Santorum would make a good Pope, but a good President? 
 
If Rick is nominated, who do I vote for? 
There are many Jews who normally vote democratic yet will refuse to vote for Obama because of his Muslim leanings and his lack of wholehearted support for Israel.  Will they vote for a Republican?  Not a Santorum.  They may stay home.

I would not vote for Obama or Santorum.  So I forget about the President, yet I do not stay home.  I will vote for my Republican candidate for congress. 

[Darth_Budda]

It's just a poll but,, But when you view socialism,, Age Matters... Younger people just don't have that Red scare thing... The word Socialism may sound bad but that's what people want. Just in America we say Progressive if we don't want to scare any one..

http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/28/little-change-in-publics-response-to-capitalism-socialism/?src=prc-headline


Whats the joke,, Marx was wrong about what Communism would do, But was right about Capitalism?


Edit:

Fascism is a religion. The twentieth century will be known in history as the century of Fascism.
Benito Mussolini

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini

[BC]

I would not vote for Obama or Santorum.  So I forget about the President, yet I do not stay home.  I will vote for my Republican candidate for congress.

Gator,

You can always write me in...

 

[Gator]

Gator,

You can always write me in...

 

 
You would be more experienced and worldly than Obama, and more honest too.     However,  aren't you a Eurocrat?      I will never vote for Big Government. 
 

[BC]

Gator,

400k salary for all the hassle and stress involved would simply not be worth it. Most folk that end up in that office are thinking too often of things worth a lot more than the paltry paycheck which is a part of the problem.. self interest.  I'd say a Constitutional amendment that mandates candidates for President must be able to prove that they made less than three quarters of the current salary during the last 5 years.  Aside from Obama's book earnings he pretty much met that test.  At least when he stepped into office he still remembered what it takes to earn a buck.

Eurocrat.. not really, just seen some things during my lifetime over here that are done a lot better, many worse though.  Until good common sense rather than party politics rules Congress, little good can or will be done.

[Gator]

Hubris ( /ˈhjuËbrɪs/), also hybris,  means extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.
 
 
Two contrasting speeches follow to illustrate hubris.   
 
George W. Bush speech after capture of Saddam Hussein :     [note: I am not a fan of Bush Jr] 

The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq .
The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the
dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force.  Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many
dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and
freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the
nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate them.
 
Barack Hussein Obama speech, Sunday, May 1, 2011:

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as I continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network. Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by my intelligence community, Iwas briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan . And finally, last week, I determined that I had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad , Pakistan .

(not even a "thank you" and the SEALs mission was more dangerous)
 
Obama is not a leader, and it shows everywhere.  Early retirement for Obama.

[GQBlues]

....
 
Two contrasting speeches follow to illustrate hubris.   
 
George W. Bush speech after capture of Saddam Hussein :     [note: I am not a fan of Bush Jr] 

The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq .
The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the
dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force.  Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many
dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and
freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the
nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate them.
 
Barack Hussein Obama speech, Sunday, May 1, 2011:

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as I continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network. Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by my intelligence community, Iwas briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan . And finally, last week, I determined that I had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad , Pakistan .

(not even a "thank you" and the SEALs mission was more dangerous)
 
Obama is not a leader, and it shows everywhere.  Early retirement for Obama.

 

[BC]

As long as we are raising Ire (pun intended)




Some have remarked that the tape was edited a bit, but I can imagine his speechwriters avoided using "I" like the plague.

To be fair, I did look at a few of Obama's speeches available here http://obamaspeeches.com/

He does use "I" a fair bit, but probably does a good bit of speechwriting himself; in his role as Commander in Chief, especially for this speech not inappropriately, more from a standpoint 'I am calling the shots' instead of having to share it with Cheney as Bush did.

All this of course in good hubris... LOL

I would of course defer to Sandro's opinion on Obama's usage of "I".  He's the unrivaled language expert around here.

[Maxx2]

Does anyone think these fools are really running/ran the country?

[BC]

As to thanking the SEAL team...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42919214/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/t/obama-thanks-awards-team-bin-laden-raid/#.T1fYePF5mSM

A personal visit from both President and Vice President at the same time is a pretty big deal.

i doubt they were offended by his statement.

[BC]

Does anyone think these fools are really running the country?

Texans do.

[Maxx2]

Tonight @ 9:00 PM ET on Hannity/Fox News Breitbart's video on Obama. The one Breitbart said "would bring the house of cards Obama's house down". And "Obama is finished". Sorry BC


Andrew Breitbart at CPAC said this was to be released March 1st but he died a little past midnight March 1st so it was delayed.

[GQBlues]

Tonight @ 9:00 PM ET on Hannity/Fox News Breitbart's video on Obama. The one Breitbart said "would bring the house of cards Obama's house down". And "Obama is finished".

Doubt it, Maxx. Nothing on that video is really that incriminating.
 
Besides, I'd much rather watch the bio "A Day in the Life of  Uncle 'Omar'". How he's able to be held innocent for DUI, Indentity theft, Immigration fraud, oh, and selling liquor to a minor. LOL.