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Title: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 04:28:36 AM
So lets face it most of us on this venture are probably on the older side of the age spectrum. Many a time we get posters on her say I'm 40, 50, 60 but look ten years younger, eh yeah right, lol. There can be some guys that look a few years younger or are a little difficult to place but I don't really believe that any guys really look 10 years younger naturally.

The reason I bring this up is I kind of wonder if limited slight cosmetic enhancements should be worth a thought. When you consider that most men on this venture probably shoot for a girl anywhere between 5-15 years or occassionally more in this venture. Does a young girl say in her mid twenties really want to get it on with a guy in his early forties? or will she be tempted by younger guys once in the west? I mean lets face it getting off with a guy a lot older than her in a lot of cases is probably not going to be a joy to behold.

Myself I'm not too bad for a guy that is 40 odd, but I notice the odd few signs of ageing are present. I tweezer out the odd few white hairs on my otherwise nice full head of brown hair. My facial skin is not too bad but its obviously not as smooth as it use to be, there are signs of wrinkles around the eyes beyond the natural and small wrinkles at the top corners of my cheeks. My brow is not too bad but not quite as smooth/full as it used to be.

Now I know women can take a guy that looks a little rugged but I also wonder if a guy who is looking a bit old and tired, even a little may be seen as a target/unrealistic or umpleasant a prospect for a FSW regardless of the size of his wad. Hence the thought that maybe some minimal remedial intervention is not a bad idea to put things on a better footing with a potential FSW. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 08, 2019, 04:39:07 AM
If you want to score 1 night tinder dates, then yes, pour as much money as you can to look great and a gym membership with personal trainer.

The most powerful aphrodisiacs are fame, power, and money, mostly in that order.  And charisma is mostly based on strength of character.  Looks help, but an airhead is interesting only for so long.

 
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: msmob on January 08, 2019, 05:43:26 AM
Trench, when I was mid-forties I was was constantly told I looked 10 years younger - and didn't post that in profiles - it was easy to observe ;)

I didn't see a grey hair 'til my mid-fifties...

When I was a teenager, I was waiting 'to be a man' and need to shave / have underarm hair .....  the up-side of this came much later in life!!  :D

Now, I have too much hair in places where I fail to understand it is required ( like my nose / ears) and knowing a good Turkish barber ( they had one in your home town - Maidstone [?] )  is  essential  :ROFL:

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 06:27:27 AM
Trench think less do more... laugh a lot... spank their bums and pull their hair.  Now get off that computer and go do..thought your absence from this forum meant you were were off doing.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 09:41:32 AM
Trench, when I was mid-forties I was was constantly told I looked 10 years younger - and didn't post that in profiles - it was easy to observe ;)

I didn't see a grey hair 'til my mid-fifties...

When I was a teenager, I was waiting 'to be a man' and need to shave / have underarm hair .....  the up-side of this came much later in life!!  :D

Now, I have too much hair in places where I fail to understand it is required ( like my nose / ears) and knowing a good Turkish barber ( they had one in your home town - Maidstone [?] )  is  essential  :ROFL:

I was born in Maidstone but moved at a young age to the Bournemouth area.

Well I get told by some that I look ten years younger also, here & there occasionally. The girl who helped me out on the train  in the summer thought that. I don't really believe them though I just think many people say it to be kind - I mean unless it's obviously not so if the guy is really greying bad. I personally don't believe many if any people really get into the category that they are actually do genuinely look young in all aspects and overall convincingly.

They tend to say people in their forties tends to start to show their age proper as the calogen in the he skin starts to break down. For some it's quicker than others. I guess I'm about moderate but I'm just in my early forties at the moment. Even though I'm not real bad I feel I would just be deluding myself if I thought I was not showing some obvious signs if my age.

That said I don't feel I would like to try and look like I was in my twenties or even late teens. That I feel would be getting real embarrassing and awkward in itself. Just taking the edge of is what I'm really talking about here.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 09:51:31 AM
Trench think less do more... laugh a lot... spank their bums and pull their hair.  Now get off that computer and go do..thought your absence from this forum meant you were were off doing.

You're right I was off doing some stuff. Not quite really to get going on this again but will be in the next month or so. I really want to be in the best possible position on all this though. Your suggestions are good :) but I'm talking more about the wat they perceive you visually. I don't think FSW are looking for a WM their age that much on International dating sites. I think they want a guy that's a little senior to them but I wonder to stand realistic long term chances with them if it's better to avoid looking a bit too senior of you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
My god all that Bournemouth beach action and you want to go to Russia .  Get a cute pet dog and throw a few balls for it on the beach.  You 're sure to pull In a day.  Just don't get a Dutch shepherd like mine that knocks them flat get a little jack Russel.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 09:58:33 AM
Well I had a 19 year age gap relationship for 3 years .  Recently turned down a girl who was coming on strong who was 1 year older than my son that was too weird for me.  My present gf sugar daddy is 25 years older than her at 38.  Some where in the last decade age became irrelevant
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 10:10:08 AM
My god all that Bournemouth beach action and you want to go to Russia .  Get a cute pet dog and throw a few balls for it on the beach.  You 're sure to pull In a day.  Just don't get a Dutch shepherd like mine that knocks them flat get a little jack Russel.

It's Winter! Besides like I've said before the girls in general are ice cold around here. Generally local girls here are not good to get with, many will be off with some other guys after a few weeks and they can be difficult and have poor attitudes towards guys. The FSW I have seen have all been far superior even with the issues involved.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2019, 10:11:42 AM
Well I had a 19 year age gap relationship for 3 years .  Recently turned down a girl who was coming on strong who was 1 year older than my son that was too weird for me.  My present gf sugar daddy is 25 years older than her at 38.  Some where in the last decade age became irrelevant


LOL.  Yeah, keep telling yourself that.


My kids are late teens/early twenties.  To them, 30 is practically dead.


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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 10:18:50 AM
Well I had a 19 year age gap relationship for 3 years .  Recently turned down a girl who was coming on strong who was 1 year older than my son that was too weird for me.  My present gf sugar daddy is 25 years older than her at 38.  Some where in the last decade age became irrelevant

I personally think you've got the jump on him because of his age James. If you committed to the girl by way of engagement that other older guy would most likely be history.

I think it also counts on what else you've got going for you. You're still a pretty wealthy guy by FSU standards James. I'm not saying the girl in the 3yr was with you for your wealth but that it made you a viable candidate compared with someone younger. A lot of young guys out there are put of the running due to being alcoholics,  drug problems, unemployment, poverty, mental health, undesirable, etc.

Some guys do make it work with a younger girl for a long time but they usually excel in desirable qualities that women want. Like you say some real big age gaps can be too weird I think.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: GenMish on January 08, 2019, 10:22:39 AM
So lets face it most of us on this venture are probably on the older side of the age spectrum. Many a time we get posters on her say I'm 40, 50, 60 but look ten years younger, eh yeah right, lol. There can be some guys that look a few years younger or are a little difficult to place but I don't really believe that any guys really look 10 years younger naturally.

The reason I bring this up is I kind of wonder if limited slight cosmetic enhancements should be worth a thought. When you consider that most men on this venture probably shoot for a girl anywhere between 5-15 years or occassionally more in this venture. Does a young girl say in her mid twenties really want to get it on with a guy in his early forties? or will she be tempted by younger guys once in the west? I mean lets face it getting off with a guy a lot older than her in a lot of cases is probably not going to be a joy to behold.

Myself I'm not too bad for a guy that is 40 odd, but I notice the odd few signs of ageing are present. I tweezer out the odd few white hairs on my otherwise nice full head of brown hair. My facial skin is not too bad but its obviously not as smooth as it use to be, there are signs of wrinkles around the eyes beyond the natural and small wrinkles at the top corners of my cheeks. My brow is not too bad but not quite as smooth/full as it used to be.

Now I know women can take a guy that looks a little rugged but I also wonder if a guy who is looking a bit old and tired, even a little may be seen as a target/unrealistic or umpleasant a prospect for a FSW regardless of the size of his wad. Hence the thought that maybe some minimal remedial intervention is not a bad idea to put things on a better footing with a potential FSW. Thoughts?

I know a man that married an FSU lady 20 years younger, but most couples I knew were in the 7-12 year age gap. I have to go with Krimster on this one, those other items he listed are just as if not more important to FSU ladies.

Sadly, having an American Passport is no longer the 'fame' it was 25 years ago. I was interviewed on TV, one couple WALKED 15 miles to a train station just because they heard Americans can be seen(Sverdlovsk was a 'closed' Russian Oblast prior) and I met with them for about 15 min
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
I think it's the same as UK dating if you could biologically be her father it's a no go so 14 years is about max gap
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 10:32:12 AM
No way trench she's telling lies and playing us both .  That's not marriage material.  Trench you need to get a plenty more fish mind set .  When the right woman comes along wife up.  Red flags find another.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: John Gaunt on January 08, 2019, 10:37:02 AM
I personally think you'very got the jump on him because of his age James. If you committed to the girl by way of engagement that other older guy would most likely be history.
The girl has been  hedging her bets and practically two timing him. Is that the kind of girl you think is commitment worthy? Are you that desperate for a woman? Oh, yes, you are.
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I think it also counts on what else you've got going for you. You're still a pretty wealthy guy by FSU standards James. I'm not saying the girl in the 3yr was with you for your wealth but that it made you a viable candidate compared with someone younger. A lot of young guys out there are put of the running due to being alcoholics,  drug problems, unemployment, poverty, mental health, undesirable, etc.

Some guys do make it work with a younger girl for a long time but they usually excel in desirable qualities that women want. Like you say some real big age gaps can be too weird I think.
Trench showing off his non existent knowledge of FSU socioeconomic issues.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
Not even socioeconomic issues.  Most young FSUM are not alcoholics/drug addicts/mentally unhealthy.  Some may be unemployed, but I knew young UM who were unemployed, yet always had women, often, women who were supporting them.


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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 10:43:12 AM
Having said that she's just gone off to the gym and in the UK people would be falling of running machines.  Awesome looks but deadly.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2019, 10:45:15 AM
And you never wondered, why with that, no UM wants her?


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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 10:52:56 AM
It's obvious she can control the arrival and departure of English guys.  A Ukranian would be un uncontrollable and does not supply a UK passport
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2019, 10:56:12 AM
Or a UM can see through her, and therefore, doesn't want her long term.


There are plenty of wealthy UM who can supply a great lifestyle, as good or better than the UK guy, with travel abroad.


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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
There are not enough wealthy Ukranian guys to go around and plenty of stupid British and USA  guys with money
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: The Natural on January 08, 2019, 11:14:59 AM

Sadly, having an American Passport is no longer the 'fame' it was 25 years ago. I was interviewed on TV, one couple WALKED 15 miles to a train station just because they heard Americans can be seen(Sverdlovsk was a 'closed' Russian Oblast prior) and I met with them for about 15 min


Kinda like a circus? Instead of elephants which is politically incorrect these days, go and see an American, hehe
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2019, 11:17:55 AM
There are not enough wealthy Ukranian guys to go around and plenty of stupid British and USA  guys with money


True enough.  But, my point was, that if she is as stunningly beautiful as you describe, some wealthy UM would have either married or sponsored her.


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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 11:22:29 AM
Well she did tell me she dated one wealthy u m but he started stalking .  Now I know every story is not quite the truth so I don't think about it too much.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: The Natural on January 08, 2019, 11:28:07 AM

They tend to say people in their forties tends to start to show their age proper as the calogen in the he skin starts to break down. For some it's quicker than others. I guess I'm about moderate but I'm just in my early forties at the moment. Even though I'm not real bad I feel I would just be deluding myself if I thought I was not showing some obvious signs if my age.


This is true. I'd say there's a sharp decline from about after 45 years of age. Men in general reach their peak physical strenght level at 35-40 years of age. After that it's downhill, it's one of the sad facts of life.
Personally what I dislike the most is the loss of skin elasticity, it's even worse than male pattern baldness.


If anyone wants and can afford cosmetic surgery to fix something I say, go for it.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
Not even socioeconomic issues.  Most young FSUM are not alcoholics/drug addicts/mentally unhealthy.  Some may be unemployed, but I knew young UM who were unemployed, yet always had women, often, women who were supporting them.


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That is probably true, same happens here, usually I think when a guy is the uber personality type they can use that to attract some women and hit on them all the time. They know what to say to women and when as a natural instinct. I think in general though fir most other UM they are out of luck if unemployed particularly with the more materialI stuck women. Some girls may of course take anything rather than nothing and just accept that they will have the burden if supporting him if they have the means to do so.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 08, 2019, 11:55:24 AM
That is probably true, same happens here, usually I think when a guy is the uber personality type they can use that to attract some women and hit on them all the time. They know what to say to women and when as a natural instinct. I think in general though fir most other UM they are out of luck if unemployed particularly with the more materialI stuck women. Some girls may of course take anything rather than nothing and just accept that they will have the burden if supporting him if they have the means to do so.


 :wallbash:

TC, what sort of fantasy do you read?  Are you a lifetime subscriber to FSUWomenAreForevermoreDesperateAndNeedYOU.com? 

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 11:56:49 AM
Having said that she's just gone off to the gym and in the UK people would be falling of running machines.  Awesome looks but deadly.

Well I was walking around the city of London yesterday. Many career women there and I kind of git the impression they would act pretty vicious in a relationship and give short shrift if you got on the wrong side of them, or even the right side of them.

I still kind of think it could be a question of how to handle this girl. I think thing to do if you're still unsure is to not commit but not dump her. I assume she is not asking for commitment from you. So you lose nothing by just leaving it open, you can find out how she is over time, not communicate unless you want to/when you want to, turn up whenever you like if you happen to be in the area/when you want some ;) I mean if she's that hot :)
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2019, 12:26:20 PM
I think in general though fir most other UM they are out of luck if unemployed particularly with the more materialI stuck women. Some girls may of course take anything rather than nothing and just accept that they will have the burden if supporting him if they have the means to do so.

What you think, and what is reality, are very distinct.  Most relationships are not built on money.

Well I was walking around the city of London yesterday. Many career women there and I kind of git the impression they would act pretty vicious in a relationship and give short shrift if you got on the wrong side of them, or even the right side of them.

I still kind of think it could be a question of how to handle this girl. I think thing to do if you're still unsure is to not commit but not dump her. I assume she is not asking for commitment from you. So you lose nothing by just leaving it open, you can find out how she is over time, not communicate unless you want to/when you want to, turn up whenever you like if you happen to be in the area/when you want some ;) I mean if she's that hot :)

It appears, with some caveats, that he is looking for a long term relationship, not just a hot piece of tail.

In any event, given your vast experience with women, do you really think you are the person to be providing advice to anyone on relationships?

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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 01:04:02 PM
What you think, and what is reality, are very distinct.  Most relationships are not built on money.

It appears, with some caveats, that he is looking for a long term relationship, not just a hot piece of tail.

In any event, given your vast experience with women, do you really think you are the person to be providing advice to anyone on relationships?

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Well I was right on how she would react when James told her he knew about the other guy.

James apparently does want a long term serious relationship. It may turn out that this girl turns ok if he leaves it open. It's apparent he finds her real hot so why not. In the meantime he can see what else comes along.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 01:09:29 PM
If you want to score 1 night tinder dates, then yes, pour as much money as you can to look great and a gym membership with personal trainer.

The most powerful aphrodisiacs are fame, power, and money, mostly in that order.  And charisma is mostly based on strength of character.  Looks help, but an airhead is interesting only for so long.

No doubt true. I'm not really talking of pushing it out big time on the look great/gym front - some of that yes - so use of the gym day at least once a week and some money towards looks, clothes, some minimal slight cosmetic work where reasonable. Just really to offset the negatives that tend to come with older age. Means to support would of course still be needed.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 08, 2019, 01:27:31 PM
Well I was right on how she would react when James told her he knew about the other guy.

James apparently does want a long term serious relationship. It may turn out that this girl turns ok if he leaves it open. It's apparent he finds her real hot so why not. In the meantime he can see what else comes along.

She is not wife material. James knows this.

As for plastic surgery, it is always visible and I only know one man who has had Botox which hasn’t made him look like a freak.

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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 01:46:22 PM
She is not wife material. James knows this.

As for plastic surgery, it is always visible and I only know one man who has had Botox which hasn’t made him look like a freak.

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A lot of people go overboard with it. I think it's probably best to leave it so some reasonably small lines still exist say like around the eyes. Apparently it's not a permanent situation so if it doesn't look right all returns to usual in a couple of years or so.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Hammer2722 on January 08, 2019, 02:37:12 PM
A lot of people go overboard with it. I think it's probably best to leave it so some reasonably small lines still exist say like around the eyes. Apparently it's not a permanent situation so if it doesn't look right all returns to usual in a couple of years or so.

Years? Botox only lasts 4-6 months......
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 08, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
If you date f s u better to save money on BOTOX and spend it on viagra although cialis   is better.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: DaveNY on January 08, 2019, 04:21:41 PM
My wife is upset with me. I'm 22 years older than her, she's in her 40s, yet I still have a full head of hair with no grey hair and she has grey hair. She gets her hair professionally colored every so often. Apparently getting it done professionally means it lasts much longer.

Doctors can't seem to agree on whether or not women go grey earlier than men but from personal experience of the people I know around my age there's not a single woman who hasn't gone grey yet I know a few men who don't have any grey hair.

Of course women say the reason they go grey earlier is that they have children then spend their lives as the primary care givers to those children and the rest of the family.

Being a lawyer I point out the fallacy in their statement. There are women who have never had children and never been care givers for family members and yet still go grey in their 30s and 40s. Of course the ultimate response from women is that men go bald and women generally don't.

So who's gone bald and who has grey hair?
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: rwd123 on January 08, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
If anyone wants and can afford cosmetic surgery to fix something I say, go for it.
DYOR before deciding. Lots of horror stories and there's no way I'd even remotely consider liposuction after reading this (not that I would have):

http://roguehealthandfitness.com/dangers-of-liposuction/

Not to mention costs involved. Better off to focus on health and fitness, if you are healthier then you will generally look better.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 08, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
DYOR before deciding. Lots of horror stories and there's no way I'd even remotely consider liposuction after reading this (not that I would have):

http://roguehealthandfitness.com/dangers-of-liposuction/

Not to mention costs involved. Better off to focus on health and fitness, if you are healthier then you will generally look better.

I personally would never bother with liposuction, the fat can be easily be gotten rid of by a healthy diet and exercise. I think people that are too lazy to bother with that would'nt see long lasting results with liposuction.

Other facoal therapies need to thought about and researched carefully I think and people not to go overboard.

However I think once someone reaches a certain age day around 40 it's fair enough to consider it. I've heard some people do it even in their twenties/late teens which is usually a bit silly I find.

I still think it's something for us older guys to consider. The initial impression at the extreme end of some real tired worn out guy sitting down opposite a hot girl in her late twenties, early thirties, etc having been told 'hey well he's not a millionaire but he has a fair few bob even still' probably isn't the greatest prospect for a girl. For the more materialistic girl who would consider it a goer thoughts probably move to a shopping spree occasion pretty quickly.

I think if a girl can consider a guy as a prospect for something other than a payment card marriage that includes stuff she's actually into then that could be a better basis for a long term serious relationship.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: msmob on January 08, 2019, 10:18:10 PM
Trench is now an 'expert' in cosmetic surgery, too ? )))

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 09, 2019, 12:08:08 AM
Trench go to the gym twice a day lift heavy or get a job that's  the equivalent of going to the gym.  Learn to love yourself.  Maybe you need a testosterone injection .
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: John Gaunt on January 09, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Trench is now an 'expert' in cosmetic surgery, too ? )))
No doubt about what you are.....a giant PITA.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: GenMish on January 09, 2019, 07:54:23 AM
My wife is upset with me. I'm 22 years older than her, she's in her 40s, yet I still have a full head of hair with no grey hair and she has grey hair. She gets her hair professionally colored every so often. Apparently getting it done professionally means it lasts much longer.

Doctors can't seem to agree on whether or not women go grey earlier than men but from personal experience of the people I know around my age there's not a single woman who hasn't gone grey yet I know a few men who don't have any grey hair.

Of course women say the reason they go grey earlier is that they have children then spend their lives as the primary care givers to those children and the rest of the family.

Being a lawyer I point out the fallacy in their statement. There are women who have never had children and never been care givers for family members and yet still go grey in their 30s and 40s. Of course the ultimate response from women is that men go bald and women generally don't.

So who's gone bald and who has grey hair?

My Ex started going grey around 40. and also needed professional colorings. Beautiful women want to stay beautiful, and she wanted to keep her platinum blonde with natural highlight look. It was such a complex look, she needed a once a month 3 hr appt. I guess I should mention this as a caveat for men, FSU women will spend A LOT more on hair, clothes and cosmetics as they age

Me? Im not grey, but salt n pepper. My barber claims I have the look that all his clients want, but its not like Im being rushed by beautiful women. I have been set up with a few so so women, but its hard to take up an attraction after my FSU experience
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 09, 2019, 09:01:25 AM
Genmish if your wife was so good why are you divorced.  Im divorced but i just dont get The divorce culture.  In my case my ex wife turned 40 at the party someone gave her a book of things you should do before 40 and it seemed she suddenly decided to work her way through the book including having an affair.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: msmob on January 09, 2019, 10:06:05 AM
...ah..so it's the books fault ? !...

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Hammer2722 on January 09, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
My wife is upset with me. I'm 22 years older than her, she's in her 40s, yet I still have a full head of hair with no grey hair and she has grey hair. She gets her hair professionally colored every so often. Apparently getting it done professionally means it lasts much longer.

Doctors can't seem to agree on whether or not women go grey earlier than men but from personal experience of the people I know around my age there's not a single woman who hasn't gone grey yet I know a few men who don't have any grey hair.

Of course women say the reason they go grey earlier is that they have children then spend their lives as the primary care givers to those children and the rest of the family.

Being a lawyer I point out the fallacy in their statement. There are women who have never had children and never been care givers for family members and yet still go grey in their 30s and 40s. Of course the ultimate response from women is that men go bald and women generally don't.

So who's gone bald and who has grey hair?

My wife hates going Grey. She started going grey in her late 30's before we met. She colors her hair constantly. I never knew this until after we married lol. I'm 54 and am now starting to get a good amount of grey yet my hair is still predominantly brown
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: GenMish on January 09, 2019, 10:21:04 AM
Genmish if your wife was so good why are you divorced.  Im divorced but i just dont get The divorce culture.  In my case my ex wife turned 40 at the party someone gave her a book of things you should do before 40 and it seemed she suddenly decided to work her way through the book including having an affair.

Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon, just announced his divorce today. He put out a touchy feely statement saying that both would spend the last 25 years the same all over again. While I see that point of view, I am sure he like me would do things different. But I think we had a similar issue, too much time away from our spouse as we grew older. If I did it again, I would play far less golf and spend that time with her. That way we would have been closer and she wouldn't have been so influenced from her divorcee friends that really painted a glamourous lifestyle of being divorced with the means to do what she wanted when they wanted. Empty nest syndrome is not that different from the male mid life crisis
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: ML on January 09, 2019, 11:20:12 AM
My wife is upset with me. I'm 22 years older than her, she's in her 40s, yet I still have a full head of hair with no grey hair and she has grey hair.

My much younger wife also is getting grey hair at about the same rate as me.
And, she actually has a little bit more wrinkling around corner of eyes than me which she finds amazing (my lack of that is).
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: ML on January 09, 2019, 11:23:35 AM
. . . the fat can be easily be gotten rid of by a healthy diet and exercise.

This is not true.

People vary tremendously.

Some people can easily gain and lose fat; while others can NEVER get rid of some fat without it being cut out/off.

A person can lose weight and be skin and bones . . . except for a roll of fat around middle.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: ML on January 09, 2019, 11:25:00 AM
  Maybe you need a testosterone injection .

That will lead to enlargement of prostate and peeing troubles.
Title: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 09, 2019, 11:41:17 AM

True enough.  But, my point was, that if she is as stunningly beautiful as you describe,
some wealthy UM would have either married or sponsored her.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

I mostly agree,

Beauty is highly subjective and one man's stunner is another mans plain Polina.
To many in the West, just being slim is considered beautiful all on it's own. So
a young woman in the East who has a very fit body with top 20% in looks along
with a youth might be rated significantly higher by a Western man who is 15+
years older than any girl he would normally be dating. That same girl might
be be rated by her peers as slightly above average and some rich local man
might not even glance at her.

Also as you've alluded to above, UM can spot a UW with serious mental or character
defects far easier than a starry eyed Western man. The West might have 50 times
more women taking medication for their mental health (or lack thereof) but the
West doesn't have a monopoly on cRaZy/she-devils/lunatics/etc.

Title: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 09, 2019, 12:04:14 PM
As for plastic surgery, it is always visible and I only know one man who has had
Botox which hasn’t made him look like a freak.

I always had a secret thing for Sandra Bullock. Then I watched Ocean's 8 recently she
decided to do a Joan Rivers on her face.






Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: ML on January 09, 2019, 12:08:16 PM
I always had a secret thing for Sandra Bullock. Then I watched Ocean's 8 recently she
decided to do a Joan Rivers on her face.

Ocean's 8
(http://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5acf845442e1cc7d9a534e5c-960-720.jpg)

Or a Michael Jackson.

Actually, I don't think Sandra was ever very pretty.  A good actress, but not good looking.
Nice body, except for non-existent breasts.  It is painful to view a woman with no breasts, and I expect it is painful for them to bear also.  Not talking biggies . . . but at least an A cup.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Davo2 on January 09, 2019, 02:36:53 PM
Genmish if your wife was so good why are you divorced.  Im divorced but i just dont get The divorce culture.  In my case my ex wife turned 40 at the party someone gave her a book of things you should do before 40 and it seemed she suddenly decided to work her way through the book including having an affair.

Interesting..... My Ex was a serial cheater, usually initiated when she was drinking, but when she hit 40 it became a lot worse. Instead of causal hook ups she started actively seeking affairs with guys who earn a lot money than me. In fact when I discovered her last affair (exit affair), the first thing she said was "he earns twice as much as you"

She was looking for a life change (midlife crisis) and she definitely got it. I've become good friends with her now husbands ex wife (she initiated divorce proceedings before I knew about the affair). It turns out her ex husband has lots of debt, is bisexual and has a cocaine habit..... Karma has a way of righting wrongs  ;D

I did a lot of reading and women particularly reassess their lives at 40, which is why you see them initiate divorce at this age and often cheat. When I discovered my ex cheating and come out about what she was doing, 3 other friends admitted they were in the same boat. All were around the age of 40.

It's probably some residual baggage, but this is the reason I would never consider marrying a woman who is 37 or under. I'm hopeful that I'll be her midlife crisis and fresh start.
Title: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 09, 2019, 02:54:30 PM
Or a Michael Jackson.

Actually, I don't think Sandra was ever very pretty.

Everybody has their preferences. Do you know there are some girls who like Gingers?
Otherwise men like Prince Harry of England* would never get laid.


*It's England for the entire month of January

Sandra's butt on her 50th Birthday
(http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/WomansDay/2014/07/29/35793/gallery_thumb.jpg?width=922&height=768&mode=crop&anchor=topcenter&quality=75)
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 09, 2019, 03:30:51 PM
In fact when I discovered her last affair (exit affair), the first thing she said was "he earns twice as much as you"

Nasty cow.

The thing I see more and more of in society is women acting in particularly nasty and horrible manner particularly towards men. Not just in relationships but with their work colleagues and everyday life. Generally a lot of career women that have taken on the attitude that stepping on others, being mean and underhand and plain right down nasty is the way to get on. That acting towards someone in a horrible way is somehow something they deserved for whatever pathetic reason or no reason. It's just a nasty aggressiveness which only rears it's ugly head when the knife goes in, at other times they act as normal as can be with perhaps only minor signs to those on the ball that they think somewhat different than they act.

It's a good part of the reason I avoid working in the corporate office environment or anything resembling close to it. The people that work in it, normally females can just turn out to be real horrors to work in the same environment and a work day can turn out quite stressful. For me it's not a place where I would feel long term job stability which is why I work elsewhere to avoid those tupe of women. For relationships I also prefer to avoid career type women for the same reason. Most are just not nice people to be around at work, in a relationship or even to have knocking around in society.

I think a lot gain real bad attitudes. They want to have it all, never think they are getting what they should, expectations seriously deluded, feeling that they have been made to accept less in the past and should have what they want now, etc. Loyalty of course being an alien concept to them.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 09, 2019, 03:32:15 PM
Davo2 I can't believe what I'm reading ill risk sounding nuts but my divorce was the same except his wife found out when I took direct action on him when I'd told them for 2 months to knock it off.  I was a regional manager proper hard working husband the works he was a stay at home husband 15 years younger than me loved his coke and my ex was coming home drunk and coked up.  Before we had it all 3 good kids .  Good schools.  So you just never know. 
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 09, 2019, 03:37:47 PM
Kind of agree with you trench.  Next you'll be saying rent don't buy which is what all my friends tell me.  Any way think I'm heading for kiev tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2019, 04:51:49 PM
Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon, just announced his divorce today. He put out a touchy feely statement saying that both would spend the last 25 years the same all over again. While I see that point of view, I am sure he like me would do things different. But I think we had a similar issue, too much time away from our spouse as we grew older. If I did it again, I would play far less golf and spend that time with her. That way we would have been closer and she wouldn't have been so influenced from her divorcee friends that really painted a glamourous lifestyle of being divorced with the means to do what she wanted when they wanted. Empty nest syndrome is not that different from the male mid life crisis

Bezos was cheating on his wife with Laura Sanchez.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: jone on January 09, 2019, 04:52:44 PM
Everybody has their preferences. Do you know there are some girls who like Gingers?
Otherwise men like Prince Harry of England* would never get laid.


*It's England for the entire month of January



BLASPHEMY!
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2019, 04:55:15 PM

The thing I see more and more of in society is women acting in particularly nasty and horrible manner particularly towards men. Not just in relationships but with their work colleagues and everyday life. Generally a lot of career women that have taken on the attitude that stepping on others, being mean and underhand and plain right down nasty is the way to get on. That acting towards someone in a horrible way is somehow something they deserved for whatever pathetic reason or no reason. It's just a nasty aggressiveness which only rears it's ugly head when the knife goes in, at other times they act as normal as can be with perhaps only minor signs to those on the ball that they think somewhat different than they act.

It's a good part of the reason I avoid working in the corporate office environment or anything resembling close to it. The people that work in it, normally females can just turn out to be real horrors to work in the same environment and a work day can turn out quite stressful. For me it's not a place where I would feel long term job stability which is why I work elsewhere to avoid those tupe of women. For relationships I also prefer to avoid career type women for the same reason. Most are just not nice people to be around at work, in a relationship or even to have knocking around in society.

I think a lot gain real bad attitudes. They want to have it all, never think they are getting what they should, expectations seriously deluded, feeling that they have been made to accept less in the past and should have what they want now, etc. Loyalty of course being an alien concept to them.

You don’t work in an office so how would you know?

I’ve seen horrid women and men, about 50/50. I’ve also seen great women and men in positions of leadership.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2019, 04:57:08 PM
Kind of agree with you trench.  Next you'll be saying rent don't buy which is what all my friends tell me.  Any way think I'm heading for kiev tomorrow morning

Kyiv not Kiev. Also, if you have no intention of marrying, let the women you’re with know that. Otherwise, you’re just another sex tourist with no personal honour.

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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 09, 2019, 05:06:11 PM
Davo2 I can't believe what I'm reading ill risk sounding nuts but my divorce was the same except his wife found out when I took direct action on him when I'd told them for 2 months to knock it off.  I was a regional manager proper hard working husband the works he was a stay at home husband 15 years younger than me loved his coke and my ex was coming home drunk and coked up.  Before we had it all 3 good kids .  Good schools.  So you just never know.

I've seen similar before, the guy is busting a gut for the family and they just don't seem to care. Least if all the woman, tends to be a case of overdoing the work side by taking on too much burden while the wife does little and becomes ungrateful and acts up. If she's left with requiring to put little effort into the relationship with her share of the workload she'll play away. Idle hands doing devils work and all that :devil:
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 09, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
Kind of agree with you trench.  Next you'll be saying rent don't buy which is what all my friends tell me.  Any way think I'm heading for kiev tomorrow morning

You beat me to it ;D As bad as it may sound I think a guy really has to think over what's the best position to be in strategically in a relationship in order to get a fair deal and perhaps a better relationship out of it.

So how come you've decided it's now time to split?
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 09, 2019, 05:10:40 PM
You don’t work in an office so how would you know?

I’ve seen horrid women and men, about 50/50. I’ve also seen great women and men in positions of leadership.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

I used to but I no longer do because of it, it just becomes a pointless affair getting into that game from the get go. Sure as with a lot of stuff it's a generalisation but more true than not I think.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2019, 05:12:56 PM
Were it more true than not, most everyone would have the same experiences as you. They are your subjective experiences, nothing more.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 09, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
Were it more true than not, most everyone would have the same experiences as you. They are your subjective experiences, nothing more.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Perhaps they do, but individually they don't amount to much.

Yesterday I was watching a news report about the drug 'epidemic' in Vancouver. Lots of what would probably otherwise be mostly everyday folk jetting up on the sidewalk. Loads of them laying around in a right state all over the place. So many that even the Police are at a loss with what to do with the situation. To me it looks like something very bad is going on in society for that to be happening. To my mind it's a sign that society is cracking up and falling apart and if it gets worse maybe completely.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2019, 05:23:49 PM
You don’t read much history, do you?

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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 09, 2019, 05:56:53 PM
You don’t read much history, do you?

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Not at all, I have a degree in it :D
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Boethius on January 09, 2019, 06:58:25 PM
Then you must not have learned much. Substance abuse has existed in every society since ancient times.

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Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 09, 2019, 11:13:20 PM
Trench this is spata.  Last night she told me at dinner she had a midnight  phone call with sugar daddy and I thought I'm off.  So writing this from mini bus bouncing to kiev.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: rwd123 on January 10, 2019, 12:30:44 AM
I'm surprised it took you so long. At least you'll get to enjoy a weekend in Kyiv.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 10, 2019, 06:53:59 AM
I'm surprised it took you so long. At least you'll get to enjoy a weekend in Kyiv.

I thought if James was going to leave a day or two quicker would have been helpful. I think he leaves on the 13th from what he has said. So that doesn't leave much time. With a bit of luck James will have something prepared to drum up the women :)
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 10, 2019, 08:09:13 AM
Well it's cold in kiev -7 and I've left an apartment where I was welcome fed and watered all because I had a wobble because sugar daddy phoned.  Anyway tucked up in a nice hotel in kiev.  When I leave I'll tell you which one.  So fire up f dating and see what happens.  If nothing at least I've given the gf an indication of what's acceptable .  She even gave me a lift to the bus and gave me a pack lunch.  I genuinely think she can't see a problem with having a sugar daddy and a boyfriend.  But once I'd read about him giving her love bites my stomach wasn't in the game
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: msmob on January 10, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
If nothing at least I've given the gf an indication of what's acceptable . 

You think?

You still refer to her as g/f .... she's in control of the game....
Title: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2019, 09:26:51 AM
Well it's cold in kiev -7 and I've left an apartment where I was welcome fed and watered all because I had a wobble
because sugar daddy phoned.  Anyway tucked up in a nice hotel in kiev.  When I leave I'll tell you which one.  So
fire up f dating and see what happens.  If nothing at least I've given the gf an indication of what's acceptable . 

She even gave me a lift to the bus and gave me a pack lunch.  I genuinely think she can't see a problem with
having a sugar daddy and a boyfriend.  But once I'd read about him giving her love bites my stomach wasn't
in the game

First, don't read or try to learn about a woman's other sex interests. It will never be productive.

Second, The girl isn't a candidate for marriage

Third, start a new thread in the trip reports section. Your experiences will just get buried here.

Fourth, get an apartment not a hotel.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: SteveInBoston on January 10, 2019, 10:18:07 AM

Fourth, get an apartment not a hotel.

Udachi!

Bill

I think James only has 2 or 3 days left on his trip.  Hotel is fine, especially with the snow accumulation on certain parts/streets of kiev. 
Title: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
I think James only has 2 or 3 days left on his trip.  Hotel is fine, especially with the snow accumulation on certain parts/streets of kiev.

Let's adjust my advice to: In the future get an apartment and not a hotel.

In an apartment you get to play house. Imagine a Russian woman tidying up and preparing meals
in her underwear.

If you wake up at 2:30 am in a hotel you can't go into the kitchen and make a sandwich.

There is a full debate on the merits and demerits of apartments vs hotels here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21752.0

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 10, 2019, 01:00:46 PM
I have noticed the  f s u slippers and underware dress code.  UK dress code is slippers and old  dressing gown or old jogging bottoms
Title: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2019, 02:01:59 PM
I have noticed the  f s u slippers and underware dress code.  UK dress code is slippers and old  dressing gown or old jogging bottoms

Most 90% wear the slippers and underwear inside the apartment, while I've had several more
than one Girl Friend (10%?) wear ONLY the bottoms while puttering around the house.

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Davo2 on January 10, 2019, 02:02:50 PM
Davo2 I can't believe what I'm reading ill risk sounding nuts but my divorce was the same except his wife found out when I took direct action on him when I'd told them for 2 months to knock it off.  I was a regional manager proper hard working husband the works he was a stay at home husband 15 years younger than me loved his coke and my ex was coming home drunk and coked up.  Before we had it all 3 good kids .  Good schools.  So you just never know.

You're a far more patient man than me. I put up with her behaviour for a week, then my oldest kids told me they had known what mum was doing for several months, but didn't know how to tell me.

I told her they knew about her affair, thinking she would stop, but she sat them down and while they were distraught, with a smile on her face said "this makes me happy, don't you want a happy mum" she then got ready to go out and meet the guy.

As she walked out I threw all her possessions into the street  and tried to burn them. This shocked her..... She broke down and tried to get back in. I barricaded the door for an hour, while she sobbed on the door step. Not a good thing for your kids to see, but I had no choice.

Eventually I let her back in, but shipped her off to her parents in the country for a week. She never returned home and shacked up with the guy...... fun times  ;D
Title: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
As she walked out I threw all her possessions into the street  and tried to burn them.
This shocked her..... She broke down and tried to get back in. I barricaded the door for
an hour, while she sobbed on the door step. Not a good thing for your kids to see, but I
had no choice.

Eventually I let her back in, but shipped her off to her parents in the country for a week.
She never returned home and shacked up with the guy...... fun times  ;D

Well you got hussy moved out without a trip to the police station so you did ok.


Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Hammer2722 on January 10, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
As she walked out I threw all her possessions into the street  and tried to burn them. This shocked her..... She broke down and tried to get back in. I barricaded the door for an hour, while she sobbed on the door step. Not a good thing for your kids to see, but I had no choice.

In this fine country of USA, you would have been arrested for domestic violence....
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 10, 2019, 02:20:03 PM
Davo2 brings it all back.   The far away look etc.  Met a mates wife at supermarket she dumped him and 2 kids for a guy off the internet married that guy 8 years later she divorced the next guy for some one at work.  Each time 8 years apart she told me the same story of love like never before and had that far away look
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on January 10, 2019, 02:25:02 PM
Same here in uk domestic violence and you would have been kicked out the house.  My coming together with my wife's lover landed me a charge but was worth it to see his reaction when we crossed paths.  Surprisingly the local community was split 50 50 about it
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: msmob on January 10, 2019, 06:08:18 PM
Same here in uk domestic violence and you would have been kicked out the house.  My coming together with my wife's lover landed me a charge but was worth it to see his reaction when we crossed paths.  Surprisingly the local community was split 50 50 about it


Hmm, I never cared what the 'local community' thought .. just my kids...( and for a while the Jury )
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Davo2 on January 10, 2019, 08:35:27 PM
Well you got hussy moved out without a trip to the police station so you did ok.

At that point I had stayed clear of the law, but 2 months later I received an intervention order (Australia's version of a DV order). It seems she felt threatened because shortly after she left, I shut my front door in her face and she broke a nail and several other claims that were false.

It took well over a year of fighting it in court and I broke the order several times (discussing with her about our children's emotional issues).

The first time I was let off and the second time I should have been arrested, but the night before the police planned to find me, she and her police woman cousin forced their way into our house while I was out and tried to persuaded the kids to go with them, took pictures of the house and removed property.

She was arrested for aggravated trespass, but let go as her name was on the title and her cousin was eventually demoted as it was revealed she took the original statement and fabricated evidence to have the order placed on me. At the next court date the judge canceled the order and reprimanded the police prosecutor.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jumper on January 10, 2019, 11:29:58 PM
Quote from: Trenchcoat

Some guys do make it work with a younger girl for a long time but they usually excel in desirable qualities that women want. Like you say some real big age gaps can be too weird I think.

My wife is 20 years younger.
Has been since we met ;)

9 years later ,she still teases me that she's the oldest woman I've ever been with long term ,which is true.


I'm old, deaf in one ear , and cant see out of the other!
   I don't have anything going for me in particular that most any normal man shouldn't have by default.

I have lived in the FSU ,so that's a slight advantage,but to be realistic I had plenty of attention from them before I knew much about the culture or language,also nationality has some surface differences in general outlooks, however individuals vary so much that these general traits mean little in a one on one relstionship.


While relationships can be complex and the dynamic ever changing,women are not some big  mystery to me,  never have been.
They want someone they respect or admire.   to actually care  about them and be truly interested in who they are,  how they feel,what they are thinking.
 thats about it.

If you listened to a woman, really listened, you wouldnt need any advice here.
And certainly no cosmetic surgery.

Most men want the same thing, a woman they admire to actually care about them and one who truly wants to know  and continue to.learn who they truly are.

 I adore my wife,shes someone I truly admire.
. If I dint  I'd be bored in 10 minutes.

Set your standards higher, open your heart and mind and truly listen on your next date
(not just with your ears ,with your soul,   
its another human being with hopes, dreams  aspirations, )


 :popcorn:

As always in wish for you to find someone that truly cares for you .
I do firmly believe the best way for you to do that is forget 90 percent of this nonsense and just be Trench.
The 10% part is were trench needs to be able to truly care for someone else,  actually truly open to a real relationship.
Not one based on a mentality
 of partners exchanging various assets on some equal valued basis for it
to be a mutually *good deal*
 
Good luck.

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: The Natural on January 11, 2019, 05:21:54 AM
Trenchcoat, listen to Jumper here. What he says is true and in addition he presents himself realitistically whereas lots of others here brags, have no wrinkles or grey hairs as their one generation younger women have  ;)


You will never, even if you find a woman, be happy unless you work on your attitude towards women. Forget whatever negative things you have experenced before. Don't focus on the negative. There are good and bad traits in absolutely every woman AND man on earth. It seems you think that generally women behave worse than men. Making generalizations are generally not productive or informing, but personally I'd say the opposite is true; generally women behave much better than men. But the best is to forget about these thoughts when looking for Ms. Trenchcoat.


Focus on how to present yourself and how to behave in a positive way that women appreciate. Try and change your thoughtpattern and instead focus on what values in a woman you want. And if you come across such a woman, look for the traits that charm you, that you feel comfortable with. Don't "look for trouble" by analyzing her every move in light of your previous negative views of women in general.
Learn to be a gentleman. Show an interest in her and listen to her, be generous and kind, smile. Be truthful and honest.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: ML on January 11, 2019, 11:34:00 AM

They want someone . . . to actually care about them and be truly interested in who they are,  how they feel, what they are thinking.


Too demanding for me.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: ML on January 11, 2019, 11:36:07 AM
Several here argue that one cannot fake or conceal their real age.

I am an exception.

I am actually several years younger than I look.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: 2tallbill on January 11, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
Several here argue that one cannot fake or conceal their real age.

I am an exception.

I am actually several years younger than I look.

I am 57 but I only look 56 1/2

Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: rwd123 on January 11, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
http://www.how-old.net/

(P.S. I found it to be all over the place, with a range -14/+24 from the correct age)
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: LAman on January 12, 2019, 01:29:45 AM
Several here argue that one cannot fake or conceal their real age.

I am an exception.

I am actually several years younger than I look.

So you are 72 and look 65? Okie dokie makes sense
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: DCcowboy on January 12, 2019, 06:41:18 AM
Learn to be a gentleman. Show an interest in her and listen to her, be generous and kind, smile. Be truthful and honest.
All so true statement. But I have also heard it said the the definition of a Gentleman is that he is just a paitent wolf. ;-)
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 03, 2019, 05:41:48 AM
Ok, well an update, nearly a couple of weeks ago now you may have noticed a slight lull in responses from me on here ;D The reason for that was that I was undergoing Laser Eye Surgery. I have now mostly recovered from that surgery and as a result now no longer need to wear glasses!!! :D

Now let me ust say the feeling is great if not a bit strange after about 26 years of my life needing to wear glasses, 23 of which most of the time.

While it is great being able to see clearly without having to wear them I have also had some positive comments abound, some of which seem genuninely positive :)

In terms of FSW dating of course I figured that while some would not have a problem with a guy wearing glasses a guy not wearing glasses would not instigate any issue in the first place so that put in those terms it is better to not be wearing glasses.

This is part of what I mean by taking of the edge of any concievable negative aspect which of course included age, looks and the watching the way way we come across to FSW in general.

My thoughts is that if a WM turns up to the FSU looking an unimpressive sight despite whatever other qualities he may have that is unlikely to go past a FSW unnotticed even if she does not say as such. I will continue to build and improve on what I am doing on this front to come across better to FSW to improbe my long term chances :) For me in the immediate future that will include more Gym time and more money towards new clothes. With a bit of luck with all of the new input I am putting in it will reap dividends when I come to meet up with more FSW in a couple of months :)
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Cameraguy on February 03, 2019, 10:25:35 AM
I'm old, deaf in one ear , and cant see out of the other!
   I don't have anything going for me in particular that most any normal man shouldn't have by default.


Except for being a heck of a nice guy who's confident, fearless and wise without being petty and argumentative towards other posters (and by extension, your wife.)


Not as common as you might think.  ;)


-CG
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 03, 2019, 01:00:49 PM
Trench .  New clothes.  No glasses.  Dozari  or black house  Minsk.  See you in there.
Title: Re: Holding back the years
Post by: Jumper on February 05, 2019, 01:20:14 AM
TC,

I'm glad you are working on self improvement,  it certainly never hurts anyone.
Keep in mind that while first impressions are important, as it gets you that opportunity , the other deeper less superficial stuff is what will endear, and endure.

I will add an opinion from being immersed in several  cultures in my life, that the FSU is one of the more superficial in this particular first impressions aspect.You'll find few places on earth that would put as much misplaced emphasis on a mans character by what shoes he is wearing.
 :popcorn:
That  doesn't mean everyone is like that, but you'll see it as much or more  there.
   I do think that is fading,slightly, so thats a good thing.