More Bad News for Russia

[fathertime]

Watched an interview today where the guy said that $40/barrel was a given in 2015.  He then proceeded to say that we'd probably hit $30.

This I have a hard time believing....I don't see 30 dollar oil...I think 40 is unlikely to stay for very long, (if it gets there)...but I do see some experts are saying that it will...  If it does go that low, I would think it would be coupled with economic problems here at home...and that is concerning...Of course I love the idea of cheaper gasoline. 


Fathertime!   

[lordtiberius]

Do you want a bet?

[fathertime]

Do you want a bet?

Which statement in particular are you talking about betting on?


Fathertime!

[lordtiberius]

I think all of it is on shaky ground

[Ludmila]

What are Russians saying about the bodies coming back from Ukraine of Russian soldiers?

United States[edit]Main article: United States Forces casualties in the war in AfghanistanOf the United States deaths, more than 1,830 have died in hostile action. Included in these numbers are 12 CIA operatives that were killed in Afghanistan: seven in a suicide bomb attack on a military base, two in an ambush, one in a shooting attack at the U.S. embassy in Kabul, one in a prison uprising in November 2001, and one in an accident.^[4][165] The independent website iCasualties has put the total number of U.S. deaths at 2,254.^[166] This number is by nine higher than the Department of Defense's tally which is 2,245, when including the intelligence operatives.^[165]
Since the start of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, 19,934 U.S. service members have been wounded in hostile action, according to the Defense Department.^[165]

[Ludmila]

Thank you Mendy, but I want to hear from Doll.  The other members tell us how smart she is.  Let her prove it.

Doll, tell us about Load 200 and Load 300.  Why are so many Russian boys from small families dead or wounded from Ukraine?United States[edit]Main article: United States Forces casualties in the war in AfghanistanOf the United States deaths, more than 1,830 have died in hostile action. Included in these numbers are 12 CIA operatives that were killed in Afghanistan: seven in a suicide bomb attack on a military base, two in an ambush, one in a shooting attack at the U.S. embassy in Kabul, one in a prison uprising in November 2001, and one in an accident.^[4][165] The independent website iCasualties has put the total number of U.S. deaths at 2,254.^[166] This number is by nine higher than the Department of Defense's tally which is 2,245, when including the intelligence operatives.^[165]
Since the start of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, 19,934 U.S. service members have been wounded in hostile action, according to the Defense Department.^[165]

[Ludmila]

The general population largely remains in the dark, albeit the news is starting to seep out. You can only hide deaths of the mother's sons for so long, and midnight burials in small towns, even with unmarked graves, begin to be noticed.

So far, the military continues to notify families of "training accidents" that frequently happen along the Ukrainian border. 

United States[edit]Main article: United States Forces casualties in the war in AfghanistanOf the United States deaths, more than 1,830 have died in hostile action. Included in these numbers are 12 CIA operatives that were killed in Afghanistan: seven in a suicide bomb attack on a military base, two in an ambush, one in a shooting attack at the U.S. embassy in Kabul, one in a prison uprising in November 2001, and one in an accident.^[4][165] The independent website iCasualties has put the total number of U.S. deaths at 2,254.^[166] This number is by nine higher than the Department of Defense's tally which is 2,245, when including the intelligence operatives.^[165]
Since the start of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, 19,934 U.S. service members have been wounded in hostile action, according to the Defense Department.^[165]

[Ludmila]

Rolling on the floor of your "brightness", mendileev &Co, that "the general population remains in the dark about the Russian casualties", costs, etc.
Is the  US population  in an assorted state of nirvana about the casualties as well as the tax dollars spent... on what?. Where are the results? Taliban has only got stronger. Casualties among civilians only more, deaths among US troops in thousands....Are YOU "in the dark" or "in the light" ?
Folks, about 700 bln of the  tax dollars has been spent in Afganistan alone, with no results.
 http://www.statista.com/statistics/271526/us-war-costs-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/ 

[alex330]

Ludmila, the number of dead Russian soldiers in Afghanistan was seven times the American number. And that was a period which was shorter by five years. 

There are thought to be over 4,000 killed Russian soldiers in your brief Ukrainian expedition.

[Ludmila]

Alex, sources, please.

[jone]

One of the wonderful things about living in a country such as ours is the ability to reach out and grab information.   Now, with all sources of information dictated by the State, in Russia, access to information isn't as retrievable.  One should take that into account when citing US sources and then stating that events didn't exist in Russia because the information is not available.

[alex330]

Alex, sources, please.

Dead and wounded Russian soldier numbers during the eight year Soviet incursion as disclosed by Gen. Aleksei D. Lizichev during a press conference. I wonder how much of a lowball General Lizichev was asked to throw out there on his numbers 

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/26/world/soviet-lists-afghan-war-toll-13310-dead-35478-wounded.html

Elena Vasilieva and her group of mothers have the number of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine at over 4,000 already. I am sure you can look her up in Russia for yourself. The UN says it is 3,000. Maybe Elena's estimate is a bit high? My money says it is probably higher with many families too afraid or proud to speak up for their loved ones.

[lordtiberius]

Facts are not good enough for "these people."

[jone]

Dead and wounded Russian soldier numbers during the eight year Soviet incursion as disclosed by Gen. Aleksei D. Lizichev during a press conference. I wonder how much of a lowball General Lizichev was asked to throw out there on his numbers 

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/26/world/soviet-lists-afghan-war-toll-13310-dead-35478-wounded.html

Elena Vasilieva and her group of mothers have the number of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine at over 4,000 already. I am sure you can look her up in Russia for yourself. The UN says it is 3,000. Maybe Elena's estimate is a bit high? My money says it is probably higher with many families too afraid or proud to speak up for their loved ones.

Don't you know, Sasha? 

Elena Vasilieva is a provocateur and has been arrested for fraud.  I heard she was also seen at a Georgian restaurant, not one in Atlanta.   We are in the middle of the great Dis-Information campaign.  In the olden days it used to just be called the "Big Soviet Lie".

[AC]

Wow!  I thought this forum was about the former Soviet Union and that this thread was about the situation in Ukraine caused by Russia.

Who knew that US deaths in Afghanistan had anything to do with all of the Russian soldiers dying while on "vacation" in Eastern Ukraine?

Yet another internet pro-Russian apologist come to tell us so.   

[Belvis]

Alex, sources, please.

They all have a single source about killed Russian soldiers in Ukraine: ОБС (одна бабка сказала, one grandma told, in this particular case: activist Vasilieva). 
That's  destiny of losers, be fed by politically motivated rumors 

[AkMike]

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Russian embassy in Kiev has nothing to do with k 1 visa
Police reports are not issued by the embassy
This post is  a pure scam

 Again a reading comprehension problem..

 Because she was born in Muskovi she needed a police report from there for the application.. The Embassy will furnish that in lieu of travel to the hated neighbor to the north.

[JayH]

They all have a single source about killed Russian soldiers in Ukraine: ОБС (одна бабка сказала, one grandma told, in this particular case: activist Vasilieva). 
That's  destiny of losers, be fed by politically motivated rumors 

You were previously asked to provide a source to show she was discredited-- you failed to do so !!

What is your source?

[Misha]

That's  destiny of losers, be fed by politically motivated rumors 

You mean like a certain president of a certain federation who dredged up an urban legend based on a statement that was never said by Madeleine Albright, traced back to a "mind reader" that has been proven false countless times, that she proposed that Russia be split up and its resources redistributed to the world?


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/world/europe/putin-cites-claim-about-us-designs-on-siberia-traced-to-russian-mind-readers.html

[lordtiberius]

If Madeline Albright said those words, and she said she didn't, it would have been the smartest thing she said ever.

Like that NK nuke deal for starters . . .

[mendeleyev]

You mean like a certain president of a certain federation who dredged up an urban legend based on a statement that was never said by Madeleine Albright, traced back to a "mind reader" that has been proven false countless times, that she proposed that Russia be split up and its resources redistributed to the world?

And the leader of the same government whose state-controlled television documentaries hit pieces portray Ukrainians as cannibals who devour ethnic Russian children at the dinner table.

[Boethius]

Tell Mrs. Tumanov her dead son is a figment of Western posters' imaginations.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/29/russias-body-count-is-rising-in-ukraine-despite-army-officials-denials/

[jone]

Having read a number of different pieces on the number of Russian soldiers killed in action in Eastern Ukraine, I have come to the conclusion that the number of active Russian military killed in action is greatly lower than the above mentioned figures. 

Plausible deniability:  The simple truth is that, since August, Russia has actively supplied the fighting force in Eastern Ukraine with tanks, heavy equipment and ammunition.    It has also supplied said same force with military people.  But here is where it gets tricky!  Russia is using EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK to make sure that the people it is sending over to Ukraine are not on the books as active military when they are crossing the border.

While I am not an analyst, I can say with some degree of accuracy, that almost every Russian soldier stationed at the Ukrainian border has been requested to volunteer to participate in the fighting.  My guess would be that an officer comes by and talks to a small group of men or an individual and presses them for commitment.  Most of these soldiers, already on the front, are young conscripts.  The sales pitch is uniform - support the Russian people in Ukraine fighting for their lives.  Volunteer to leave your unit and reassemble on the other side of the border, without rank or indicators of your former Russian military unit.

In the current state of affairs, this recruitment works because the needs are not great.  The attrition of the current fighting unit is rather minimal.  However, last August, it wasn't.  At that time the UA forces were threatening to completely surround and cut off all of Donetsk and Lugansk.    The requirements of war did not have time to manipulate this arm twisting.  Russia simply sent the units in.

Most of the acknowledged Russian casualties occurred at this time.  It was these soldiers, while stabilizing the situation, that were the KIAs that Kremlin defenders will grudgingly acknowledge.  So, the figures that Russians privately point to are only a couple of hundred dead in Ukraine (at the most).    They don't acknowledged the kids who were arm twisted by their COs to abandon their units and reassemble as 'freedom fighters' across the border.

To anyone reading this who is not a Kremlin apologist, you can imagine the disgust I am writing this with.  To trick your young people into fighting a war that the country does not acknowledge and then to disavow their sacrifice on a technicality is beyond reprehensible. 

So, yes, actual armed services personnel KIA in Ukraine, much lower than the figures stated above.  But if the Kremlin apologists can actually come on this forum (or any other media outlet) and disavow the deaths of their countrymen, I would tell these people that shame is great upon them.

[lordtiberius]

tell these people that shame is great upon them.

300% agree

[AC]

$1 = 50 rubles
I barrel oil is $80
It is today

Oil keeps dropping.  Down another .85 cents today.  It's got a long way to hit $80 in the New Year.   

http://www.oil-price.net/