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Title: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 06, 2021, 07:11:07 AM
This article kind of sums of the situation with women today I feel:

http://www.standard.co.uk/insider/dating-app-marriages-divorce-more-likely-lucy-holden-b964545.html

Basically the girls in the west all look on dating apps and online dating for guys who are wealthy, good social status jobs. The reality is that the guys on there don't have that wealth nor good social status jobs, they are 'mediocre' as such apparently so they lie and exaggerate. They carefully curate profile to make themselves appeal to these girls that want wealthy guys with good jobs. The guys that don't do that as we see from the article don't interest the girls so they don't get any likes.

So the guys make out there something they are not to get a girl which of course can only be a short term thing when they come to realise that the girl will find out they are not wealthy nor good social status job if the relationship continues with her. If they tell her the truth the relationship is over anyway. So they have no choice other than to move on at which point the girl complains that she has been used for sex and that you can only get guys of there that want sex. But they keep on using these apps and online dating in the hope of landing a guy that will stick with them who is wealthy and has a good social status job.

I think the same can be true of dating in the FSU, it attracts what women there describe as Sex Tourists, basically guys that are there for sex. Yeah for sure they go there wanting sex with a girl but they also know that it's a lot easier to make out to a girl that they are wealthy. Women out there assume that all guys visiting are wealthy, their mere presence of being there means they are wealthy and of course they think that everyone from a western country is wealthy lol.

So it really creates a catch 22 situation where a guy has to make out he is wealthy and good social status to get the girl while the girl is only interested in guys who she assumes are telling the truth as what she is given is all she has to go on, but in reality a long term relationship can't happen as it's all built on a pile of sticks and sooner or later it's doomed to come crashing down.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 06, 2021, 07:29:59 AM
Trench

Put the apps away. Stop searching online.
Go out to the supermarket, chat up the cashier. Talk to the girl at the bus stop, hit the pubs and strike up conversations with women.
Learn the art of socialising and flirting.
It’s under these conditions that you are more likely to meet any future Mrs Trench, not by hiding away behind a screen and endlessly debating the demerits of online dating.

You’ve been on here how many years now?
Before you know it you’ll be a 50 something with no woman in your life and even more bitter and twisted than you already are.

Don’t read online drivel about how to find women, they are all around you. Get out and engage with them.
You might be surprised.

P. S. Starting another topic isn’t going to help you one jot.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: ML on November 06, 2021, 10:21:34 AM
So it really creates a catch 22 situation where a guy has to make out he is wealthy and good social status to get the girl while the girl is only interested in guys who she assumes are telling the truth as what she is given is all she has to go on, but in reality a long term relationship can't happen as it's all built on a pile of sticks and sooner or later it's doomed to come crashing down.

I didn't really experience this in my contacts/visits with hundreds of FSU gals.

If anything, I underplayed my wealth and was quite frugal while visiting with gals there, especially with regard to the apartments I stayed in, took trams, metro, mini buses instead of taxis, and the way I dressed.

Now this was relative to my WMVM trips for first meetings.

Later when I met with some of them on trips to Turkey, Cyprus, Egypt, Crimea, etc., they knew I could at least afford such . . . but still never even came close to knowing my total wealth.  And interestingly, none ever came close to inquiring about my total wealth or even my earnings.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 06, 2021, 11:25:58 AM
Trench

Put the apps away. Stop searching online.
Go out to the supermarket, chat up the cashier. Talk to the girl at the bus stop, hit the pubs and strike up conversations with women.
Learn the art of socialising and flirting.
It’s under these conditions that you are more likely to meet any future Mrs Trench, not by hiding away behind a screen and endlessly debating the demerits of online dating.


You’ve been on here how many years now?
Before you know it you’ll be a 50 something with no woman in your life and even more bitter and twisted than you already are.

Don’t read online drivel about how to find women, they are all around you. Get out and engage with them.
You might be surprised.

P. S. Starting another topic isn’t going to help you one jot.

That's not necessarily a bad idea on the face of it. However, it's back to the same old not knowing if the girl is single till you really get to know her a bit plus the girl being interested and seeing you as a good enough catch. Though to be fair there isn't likely a perfect way so just going and chatting to girls just to find out about them and see if they take isn't a bad idea. I do remember the dating world before online dating though when I was in my twenties and there was a lit of the girls with the, "My boyfriend..." stuff that could regularly be heard so finding a single available girl was still a pretty difficult task. The real odd girls, fat girls, etc well hey were always free for the reason that spoke for itself lol.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 06, 2021, 11:33:19 AM
I didn't really experience this in my contacts/visits with hundreds of FSU gals.

If anything, I underplayed my wealth and was quite frugal while visiting with gals there, especially with regard to the apartments I stayed in, took trams, metro, mini buses instead of taxis, and the way I dressed.

Now this was relative to my WMVM trips for first meetings.

Later when I met with some of them on trips to Turkey, Cyprus, Egypt, Crimea, etc., they knew I could at least afford such . . . but still never even came close to knowing my total wealth.  And interestingly, none ever came close to inquiring about my total wealth or even my earnings.

You wouldn't like FSU dating today ML lol. I'm thinking you met Soviet Era ladies or at the latest girls who were brought up in the nineties where the Soviet culture and attitudes has still rolled over a little. The younger girls are nearly all pretty materialistic, they will ask for cabs, expect you to dress well, etc. Possibly a girl in her mid to late thirties or early forties today might not be too materialistic but below mid thirties most will be unless they are a bit ugly looking. I kind of notice the cut off line in this as the girls near my age are about the time when the Soviet Union finished. I would say around 39-40 ish at this present moment in time is about around the divide line for most women.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 06, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
You wouldn't like FSU dating today ML lol. I'm thinking you met Soviet Era ladies or at the latest girls who were brought up in the nineties where the Soviet culture and attitudes has still rolled over a little. The younger girls are nearly all pretty materialistic


Don't make statements when you know NOTHING about Soviet culture.  Or the culture of post Soviet states, for that matter.


Incidentally, you are wrong.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Davo on November 06, 2021, 03:02:41 PM
Trench, it doesn’t matter where a woman grew up or what era....some are materialistic and some aren’t..... Some have the same love languages, some don’t..... Generally most women have a good heart and just want to be loved unconditionally by a man they can be proud of and can provide consistency and stability in a relationship..... that includes financial stability.

I haven’t been on here as much as I used to be..... I gained a lot of experience here and some members have become life long friends.....Because there’s a lack of new comers here who are at the same stage as me, I’ve moved away and met men primarily on Facebook relationship sites, who are at this stage..... Approximately 9 over the past 2 years who were serious and not delusional (I’ve met a few of them too)..... Their ages range from early 30’s to late 50’s.

Most knew what they were doing and some were being scammed by PPL and email scammers. ATM there’s 6 men I’m regularly in contact with.....2 are now engaged and the other four are successfully meeting and  dating FSU women......When I look at these men they all now share a common path and traits.

First they are all financially stable. Some earn an average wage and some above average. All know the importance of not showing excessive wealth, yet women are still attracted to them.

The don’t have big hang ups about western women, or women in general..... They know you can meet both good and bad women in any dating pool.

They have realistic expectations. Sure they want to find a woman they are physically attracted to,  but they aren’t pursuing instagram models half their age.

They know their stuff...... The guys who come into this via scammers listened to the more experienced and quickly adopted the successful strategies.

They all now experts at identifying scammers now. They put their checks in place early.....They walk away at the slightest red flag. As a group we’ve identified 100’s..... The younger guys meeting younger women have experienced the most online.

Some are going wovo and some wmvm..... All are using the legitimate sites and use video chat as their main scam check and method of getting to know the women on a more intimate level..... I know you shy away from this, but it’s the most important tool in a mans arsenal to choose which women to meet.

One was lucky enough to meet a great woman on his first trip and got engaged on his third, but they realize this is a numbers game, just like western dating is..... You’ve had a short relationship with one FSU woman, you might have to meet another 100 before you meet the right one for you.

They don’t spend the majority of their time taking about it..... They get on a plane and do it.... Even during covid combined, they have made almost 20 trips.

They put lust aside and critically contemplate the women they are visiting and walk away if they see personality traits that they can’t live with.... Interestingly, no women have been materialistic and their age range has been from 31 to 53. It’s been baggage from the womans past relationships and marriages that have generally caused problems..... Trust, jealousy etc...

Trench, the only path you should be taking now is the one I described above. It works incredibly well..... with time and a level head most men find what they are looking for and generally the women they meet aren’t materialistic, they are just normal women looking for the right man to love. Meeting women is the easy part... Once you’re found a good one, keeping the relationship going when you’re apart is a hell of a lot more difficult.

The reason people are harsh with you is because you haven’t had any relationship experience at home and basically no experience with FSU women too..... Your posts are like telling a mechanic his engine needs rebuilding, after reading a basic automotive book, but haven’t picked up a spanner in your life. You read the theory, but obviously didn’t understand it when you can’t even find where the oil filter is under the bonnet.....If you want to be taken seriously as a mechanic, you need to get your hands greasy and pull apart 50 engines and learn each of their specific intricacies...... Only then you’ll see that although all engines typically function the same, some are high maintenance and expensive and others need only a little attention and will happily run for a half a million km’s.






Title: Re: Women
Post by: Jumper1 on November 06, 2021, 08:47:54 PM
You wouldn't like FSU dating today ML lol. I'm thinking you met Soviet Era ladies or at the latest girls who were brought up in the nineties where the Soviet culture and attitudes has still rolled over a little. The younger girls are nearly all pretty materialistic, they will ask for cabs, expect you to dress well, etc. Possibly a girl in her mid to late thirties or early forties today might not be too materialistic but below mid thirties most will be unless they are a bit ugly looking. I kind of notice the cut off line in this as the girls near my age are about the time when the Soviet Union finished. I would say around 39-40 ish at this present moment in time is about around the divide line for most women.

My wife's extremely frugal.to the point of maddening, and hasn't amaterialistic tendencies yiu speak of🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 06, 2021, 09:33:18 PM
That's not necessarily a bad idea on the face of it. However, it's back to the same old not knowing if the girl is single till you really get to know her a bit plus the girl being interested and seeing you as a good enough catch. Though to be fair there isn't likely a perfect way so just going and chatting to girls just to find out about them and see if they take isn't a bad idea. I do remember the dating world before online dating though when I was in my twenties and there was a lit of the girls with the, "My boyfriend..." stuff that could regularly be heard so finding a single available girl was still a pretty difficult task. The real odd girls, fat girls, etc well hey were always free for the reason that spoke for itself lol.
Trench, just stop.
You’re back to making excuses.
The only obstacle to you dating is yourself.
You’re not ready for dating or relationships until you fix yourself and for that you need professional help.
Find a reputable shrink who specialises in psychosexual issues and deal with your problems first.

Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 07, 2021, 06:28:03 AM
Trench, just stop.
You’re back to making excuses.
The only obstacle to you dating is yourself.
You’re not ready for dating or relationships until you fix yourself and for that you need professional help.
Find a reputable shrink who specialises in psychosexual issues and deal with your problems first.

They cost too much Gaunty you'll have to do instead ;D
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 07, 2021, 08:52:17 AM
They cost too much Gaunty you'll have to do instead ;D
Whaaat? You mean you can’t freeload on the NHS?
Title: Women
Post by: 2tallbill on November 07, 2021, 09:55:31 AM
This article kind of sums of the situation with women today I feel:

http://www.standard.co.uk/insider/dating-app-marriages-divorce-more-likely-lucy-holden-b964545.html

Basically the girls in the west all look on dating apps and online dating for guys who are wealthy, good social status jobs. The reality is that the guys on there don't have that wealth nor good social status jobs, they are 'mediocre' as such apparently so they lie and exaggerate. They carefully curate profile to make themselves appeal to these girls that want wealthy guys with good jobs. The guys that don't do that as we see from the article don't interest the girls so they don't get any likes.

Tell me why do some penniless artists have girls?
Some men live in absolute squalor in India or Mexico
according to you none of these men have women.

You have posted a thousand times that no girls will like you because
you are average and penniless. You have posted a dozen times that
you are not willing to do anything worthwhile to change your lot in
life.

You are remodeling your house on a 10 year plan (you are only slightly
behind plan). This fast remodeling leaves you knackered after working
your part time job. You can't get a better job, they don't exist and you
wouldn't take them because the taxes would take away any benefit.

You want to become ripped like a gym rat and have instituted an exercise
regimen of one pushup per month, but you haven't started the program
yet 

You are on a 10 year plan to learn Russian, but are currently on sabbatical
due to the being knackered by the fast paced part time job, remodeling,
and gym rat life you have been living.

Now you are trying to rationalize lying to women.

Mods,

Trench should have all his threads posted in the same place. When he starts a
new thread it should just be tossed in Trench's general thread. 100% of his threads
are about the same thing.

Why should this forum have 60 Trench threads? Why should it have 3?

Imagine a newbie coming here looking for insights and reading all of Trenchcoat's
crapola instead.

 
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2021, 04:33:04 AM
Tell me why do some penniless artists have girls?
Some men live in absolute squalor in India or Mexico
according to you none of these men have women.

You have posted a thousand times that no girls will like you because
you are average and penniless. You have posted a dozen times that
you are not willing to do anything worthwhile to change your lot in
life.

You are remodeling your house on a 10 year plan (you are only slightly
behind plan). This fast remodeling leaves you knackered after working
your part time job. You can't get a better job, they don't exist and you
wouldn't take them because the taxes would take away any benefit.

You want to become ripped like a gym rat and have instituted an exercise
regimen of one pushup per month, but you haven't started the program
yet 

You are on a 10 year plan to learn Russian, but are currently on sabbatical
due to the being knackered by the fast paced part time job, remodeling,
and gym rat life you have been living.

Now you are trying to rationalize lying to women.

Mods,

Trench should have all his threads posted in the same place. When he starts a
new thread it should just be tossed in Trench's general thread. 100% of his threads
are about the same thing.

Why should this forum have 60 Trench threads? Why should it have 3?

Imagine a newbie coming here looking for insights and reading all of Trenchcoat's
crapola instead.

In short, of recent, I've sorted out and organised my wardrobe buying some new items and tossing out some old ones. I now think I'm a bit sharper dressed so think that helps a bit. I've got some new heavier weights and started using them and sold of my old lightweight weights which were too light and so not useful. I've also redone my diet so that should get me in better shape. This summer I completed a cavity wall extension to my house by myself so that is the main stuff that was left there sorted. So it's coming together now I feel.

The Russian language thing is on hold as apart from quality time to spend on it I wasn't getting many women up on Fdate. A new photo has solved that so at some point I will be getting back to that. It's a lot to do all in all and only so many hours in the day but I'm getting there.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2021, 04:42:12 AM
This is an article online about dating experience a wealthy guy had on Tinder, quite an interesting read really:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8484999/Why-no-decent-women-36-year-old-says-dating-far-worse-men.html

Looks like the women on Tinder and the like are generally just concerned with one thing, finding a wealthy guy. As this article shows they are more than willing to make out they are something they are but to get it. However their ineptitude and tacklessness give thalem away especially when they enquire about a guy's income, etc. I've been seeing a lot of profiles on Tinder where the girl has fake tan, eyelashes, fake white teeth fronts, etc and are trying to look wealthy with Chanel bags and neat dressing etc posing in some luxury style room. One showed a short video clip of herself pouting and kissing postures and smiling with her overly white fake teeth fronts. Honestly it was more of a turn off for me. I want to see a naturally looking attractive girl not some fake looking Barbie they much look the same as each other and I wouldn't really know who the girl as everything is fake, it was kind of eeirie in a way.

To be honest I'm kind of finding it a bit shocking the way dating has gone in this country. It looks like from this, from what I see on the likes of Tinder that dating is getting far worse not better than when I was doing online dating in the UK a good five years or so ago. I'm guessing the likes of Match, eHarmony, POF, etc are not any better can't see any reason why it would be. Looks like a lot of money hungry women on those sites without wealth of their own faking it up chasing men who they think have got money but many of which don't and are also faking it just so they can get sex out of the girl. Completely crazy!
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 08, 2021, 05:40:12 AM
This is an article online about dating experience a wealthy guy had on Tinder, quite an interesting read really:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8484999/Why-no-decent-women-36-year-old-says-dating-far-worse-men.html

Looks like the women on Tinder and the like are generally just concerned with one thing, finding a wealthy guy. As this article shows they are more than willing to make out they are something they are but to get it. However their ineptitude and tacklessness give thalem away especially when they enquire about a guy's income, etc. I've been seeing a lot of profiles on Tinder where the girl has fake tan, eyelashes, fake white teeth fronts, etc and are trying to look wealthy with Chanel bags and neat dressing etc posing in some luxury style room. One showed a short video clip of herself pouting and kissing postures and smiling with her overly white fake teeth fronts. Honestly it was more of a turn off for me. I want to see a naturally looking attractive girl not some fake looking Barbie they much look the same as each other and I wouldn't really know who the girl as everything is fake, it was kind of eeirie in a way.

To be honest I'm kind of finding it a bit shocking the way dating has gone in this country. It looks like from this, from what I see on the likes of Tinder that dating is getting far worse not better than when I was doing online dating in the UK a good five years or so ago. I'm guessing the likes of Match, eHarmony, POF, etc are not any better can't see any reason why it would be. Looks like a lot of money hungry women on those sites without wealth of their own faking it up chasing men who they think have got money but many of which don't and are also faking it just so they can get sex out of the girl. Completely crazy!

Trench, I suggest you lower your expectations and join your local Bingo club.
You’re sure to meet the love of your life there. The future Mrs Trench is just waiting for her number to be called
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2021, 09:04:08 AM
Trench, I suggest you lower your expectations and join your local Bingo club.
You’re sure to meet the love of your life there. The future Mrs Trench is just waiting for her number to be called

Lol, yes I would probably have more luck there, I'm glad now you can see my problem with English women.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 08, 2021, 09:17:18 AM
Lol, yes I would probably have more luck there, I'm glad now you can see my problem with English women.
Actually, I don’t see there being a problem.
You are just looking in the wrong places.
Articles like the one you’ve posted just reinforce the stereotype you’ve bought into and therein lies the problem.

I’ve dated English women in the online age, and yes, you get all sorts out there but that didn’t stop me from finding women and having relationships with them.

The problem, I think, with you, is that you haven’t cut your teeth with local women and want to jump straight into the fsuw or international dating scene which is a far more risky, expensive and volatile place for the inexperienced to date.

There are plenty of English roses out there. You just have to cut through the thorns to pick yours.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: ML on November 08, 2021, 09:29:01 AM

. . . the fsuw or international dating scene which is a far more risky, expensive and volatile place for the inexperienced to date.

I didn't find the FSUW dating scene to be risky or volatile.
Expensive only due to the airline flights and apartment rentals aspect.
Less expensive for those of you in UK or continental Europe.

Wife has a cousin in Ireland.  He and his family regularly fly to Ukraine for 10-20 euro.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
I didn't find the FSUW dating scene to be risky or volatile.
Expensive only due to the airline flights and apartment rentals aspect.
Less expensive for those of you in UK or continental Europe.

Wife has a cousin in Ireland.  He and his family regularly fly to Ukraine for 10-20 euro.

I think the older ladies in their thirties and there after it tends to be less volatile than in their twenties. A lot of those FSW in their thirties know that they don't have time to mess about, even if they don't want children they want a pension plan.

There are obviously more scammers in the FSU dating scene and possibly that is what Gaunty is alluring too. For guys who are a but on the ball, done their research and have some experience it's often not a problem.

Overall I would say the dating environment in Ukraine is pretty nice, much nicer than compared to the UK. A woman is a woman there and a man is a man none of this not sure the place of either upon dating like here. Women here tend to have very lofty outlook as to what they want, in Ukraine less so. I know there are the girls that expect a guy to be wealthy but I don't get the impression that none of them really know the west or what to expect. The prettier girls are the ones who may later look to trade up of course.

I know that there are no doubt some decent girls in the UK but I think they would be a hard find on Tinder, in real life no doubt easier but then it's back to if they are single, etc. I think online dating in the FSU tends to dredge up more decent girls in larger quantities but there are those where the guy will have to have their wits about them to avoid a bad one in my opinion.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: GQBlues on November 08, 2021, 11:46:31 AM
...Overall I would say the dating environment in Ukraine is pretty nice, much nicer than compared to the UK. A woman is a woman there and a man is a man none of this not sure the place of either upon dating like here. Women here tend to have very lofty outlook as to what they want, in Ukraine less so...


Holy smokes! Even I can't make that generalization. Amazing Trenchcoat can, rather easily...

Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 08, 2021, 01:52:02 PM
At least a couple of women or so on Tinder have written in their profile that, 'the guy should have his sh*t together'. Like that is just so charming, I don't think I can think of any guy that would pass over on them lol. Gives me the impression not a very nice girl and I don't think they would appeal to the wealthy gentile guys they aspire to, I mean can you imagine them saying that stuff to the guy or to his family & friends they would wonder what kind of farm animal had trotted up to them!
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Jumper1 on November 08, 2021, 02:08:52 PM
TC,
A couple of things.
You have considered the internet can be  the ultimate confirmation Bias vehicle?

You have considered that in some dating app if
 someone is asked what they   hope* for  might include rather silly intangibles that wouldn't be the basis of their actual enduring relationship?

You might look for and  hope to find , a future Mrs trench, to have a net worth of  597 million, that she adore trench coats as a fashion.

Now noone would fault you for hoping for such. It's a bit of  human nature to hope for a carefree life with a partner who shares your likes and interests

 we can't extrapolate that generally men on dating sites are only after wealthy women from that.
It's just given a choice,even if it's a minor factor , it's a natural selection.

Most of the uk women are married to.uk men.
They arnt married to only wealthy ones.
In fact I'd say the lot of them are married to the average man.

I do think dating online has added to the *wish*factor being a bit higher,the options being considered more,but the end result is the same.
The average UK woman  still  isnt generally marrying prince charming in a white rolls royce anymore than the average UK man is marrying a supermodel/captain of industry.

Get off the net and bust your ass to make something happen.
anything.
Accept there will be good and bad.
Get out of your comfort zone.

As far as relationships the biggest investment you can make isn't in.material things like your home,or clothes,its in your outlook and mentality.

Sure you'll possibly  be overlooked by women *only interested in wealthy guys or in equals to their own life situation. That's natural. It's also zero excuse to not go forward with dating, right now,not when you have the house finished or a waredrobe you think a woman likes.

That leaves about 1 billion women for you to catch their attention.
Try humor,or since you're a brit humour.

It's generally quite endearing and is first on many women's list.
If that fails or is beyond your natural.impluse,that ok!!!
, just be yourself with an adjusted more down to earth mentality and outlook.
As it stands over the years I've watched you bring a lot of preconceived baggage to.the table of any relationship long  before you even say *hello I'm TC* to any woman.

So just drop all that  and say.
***Hello I'm TC,  I think I'm a tad  dysfunctional socially, but isn't everyone in today's world filled with dating apps ?***


I'm an idiot when it comes to truly understanding women, but women appreciate  many different things, one can be
a good bit of downplaying yourself and they do like to be actually heard,and appreciated for who they are and what they think and feel. That's it.

So just say that line  with genuineness, and a devils grin..

I could have you 5 dates in 5 days.
But you'd have to actually drop all the extra  baggage man.

A women with the level of baggage you've displayed here, equally has a very hard time getting a man interested in long term relationship.
Think about that.

 I've always encouraged you ,but pleaee drop.the unneeded unhealthy  baggage and  hit up.the UK lasses ! You may be right about the lot of them,
 but it only takes you being wrong about just  one of them! . The worst that would happen is a bit of rejection which is natural.
Not gettimg comfortable   handling that natural.part of dating life, seems to be an underlying issue in your search.
So go out and face it a 1000 times ,until your comfortable or at least  apathetic to it, and you'll move forward.

Like skydiving  only the first 50 jumps are scary,then after 100 its not even truly exciting.
After all.these years get out there!!!!


















Title: Re: Women
Post by: Jumper1 on November 08, 2021, 02:23:07 PM
And yes basically I'm saying get your shit together! Asap!

What's wrong with a woman expressing that is what she'd like to see in a man?

Perhaps a bit more crudely relayed  than I'd prefer,but the
sentiment is absolutely valid.

Get your baggage  unloaded and behind you ,and you'll have your shit together enough for most women..
You'll be way ahead of the other TCS that havnt yet..
You do see that's what the women you mentioned are frustrated about right?

The lack of emotional maturity as far as relationships in most of the men they have met so far,has exasperated them.

They are painting you the picture that the competition bar is low.
I can assure you they are not  talking generally about money.

Doesn't mean they are catches themselves, but you'd need to.meet them to find that out wouldnt.you?

Get out there!

:)

The competitions is so pathetic  those women are almost begging for an underemployed  TC (sans emotional mental baggage)
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 08, 2021, 04:05:16 PM
There are obviously more scammers in the FSU dating scene and possibly that is what Gaunty is alluring too. For guys who are a but on the ball, done their research and have some experience it's often not a problem.

No.  He is alluding to the fact that marriage to a foreigner is far more complicated.  It really is a leap of faith.

Quote
Overall I would say the dating environment in Ukraine is pretty nice, much nicer than compared to the UK. A woman is a woman there and a man is a man none of this not sure the place of either upon dating like here.

So where does that leave you?
Title: Women
Post by: 2tallbill on November 08, 2021, 05:31:25 PM
The problem, I think, with you, is that you haven’t cut your teeth with local women and want to jump straight into the fsuw or international dating scene which is a far more risky, expensive and volatile place for the inexperienced to date.

Excellent point, FSUW are not for entry level daters
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Jumper1 on November 08, 2021, 05:40:44 PM
No.  He is alluding to the fact that marriage to a foreigner is far more complicated.  It really is a leap of faith.

For both parties :)
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 09, 2021, 04:29:39 AM
And yes basically I'm saying get your shit together! Asap!

What's wrong with a woman expressing that is what she'd like to see in a man?

Perhaps a bit more crudely relayed  than I'd prefer,but the
sentiment is absolutely valid.

Get your baggage  unloaded and behind you ,and you'll have your shit together enough for most women..
You'll be way ahead of the other TCS that havnt yet..
You do see that's what the women you mentioned are frustrated about right?

The lack of emotional maturity as far as relationships in most of the men they have met so far,has exasperated them.

They are painting you the picture that the competition bar is low.
I can assure you they are not  talking generally about money.

Doesn't mean they are catches themselves, but you'd need to.meet them to find that out wouldnt.you?

Get out there!

:)

The competitions is so pathetic  those women are almost begging for an underemployed  TC (sans emotional mental baggage)

It really all depends in which way it is meant. I hate it when people aren't specific in what they say. I don't mean being clumsily specific, blunt, insensitive, etc but coming out with some bs phrase that they think everyone will somehow interpret as they do is just ridiculous.

Maybe you're right Jumper but I have a Sister and from her time dating (she us now married with kids) she kind of wanted a guy that wasn't underemployed as you put it, could potentially get up the employment ladder and had at least equal to her, she had a house so expected him to have one - not necessarily fully paid up. I kind of get the impression from other girls stuff I've read over the years online dating vin the UK that they expect the guy to be sorted somewhat on that stuff. My sister once said during her dating time, 'where are all the decent guys?' which made me wonder if they are all asshole personalities. Turns out that she meant a guy who had the above roughly sorted when she later complained of a lack of guys out there with that.

She was kind of picky though she met guys speed dating with good jobs but because they came across not great socially or sone other minor issue she passed over on them.

I wouldn't say my sister is that materialistic at all or a gold digger she is generally quite a sincere person but I'm guessing most women have some element of the material things they like to see in a guy.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 09, 2021, 05:01:43 AM
No.  He is alluding to the fact that marriage to a foreigner is far more complicated.  It really is a leap of faith.

So where does that leave you?

At the moment now that I have a good photo, getting up FSW is like shooting fish in a barrel. I've never had it so good on that front. In fact I've had to ease off I was getting so many. My only issue is that I could do with getting at least one more decent photo done (it was a non-pro photo but scored well on Photofeeler) and hopefully not looking too bad in person. While I seem to come across ok on video chat, I don't think any girl has gone off me as a result of lokjs on it so far to be honest I would prefer to do a meet many in person. So that's whenever I can get out there, hopefully fairly soon.

For sure a relationship with a FSW can be more complicated but once those complications are understood it's likely pretty plain sailing. It just a case of whether the relationship goes south while that us happening, many may well do. Experience dating other FSW can help as while not all exactly alike there can be similarities in attitude, temperament, etc. FSW I have noticed can often be obstinate and a guy not budging enough can sink a relationship with a FSW quickly, so working out how to deal with that will likely be necessary for many a FSW.

English girls are no walk in the park, sure it's the same culture but it's a culture that has changed a lot in the last few decades. Each decade changing from the last. Take the nineties, that's when all the women going out for careers kicked off big time, movements to equal pay for both genders, recession & old traditional male industry Jobs going, house repossesions and many guy not able to support the family, easier divorce law, divorces way up, government now looking to the man to make maintenance payments or not be able to see the child, etc. Then onto the noughties, women getting obese in noticeable quantities for the first time, better employment around but far more women in the workplace, career women, then mid way through mass immigration into the country from Poland and later most of Eastern Europe, so heavy competition for jobs, low wages as a result, housing shortages, high house prices and high rent. Then into the twentyteens, many women now glorifying in getting obese and it even becoming a bit of a fashionable 'statement' for women, many more obese women. Women becoming career obsessed and it being a big thing with them, antagonistic at anything they could see as being unequal, sexual harassment hysteria with women, big thing for all sorts of categories for different sexual outlooks, queers of all varieties coming out in all sorts of weird and wonderful sub cultural groupings, etc, etc. And of course online dating being mainstream and it seems an increasingly warped place to be, UK online dating that is.

In comparison the FSU while it's had some signs of change I would say that since the fall of the Soviet Union its been a lot less dramatic and still reasonably conventional for most but not all of course. It's much easier to figure out the score with a FSW, they likely will even tell you directly if needs be. So on the whole it's a lot more stayed and easier to deal with on that front if you see what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 09, 2021, 10:53:36 AM
They cost too much Gaunty you'll have to do instead ;D

A couple of sessions with me and you won’t know who you are.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 09, 2021, 11:04:43 AM
I didn't find the FSUW dating scene to be risky or volatile.
Expensive only due to the airline flights and apartment rentals aspect.
Less expensive for those of you in UK or continental Europe.

Wife has a cousin in Ireland.  He and his family regularly fly to Ukraine for 10-20 euro.
I think you didn’t read between the lines.
It’s not about cheap flights.

It’s about the fact that dating internationally has so many unknown variables which can easily catch one unawares.

It’s about factoring in all the costs involved, while you’re searching, while dating and long beyond.

It’s about being way out of your comfort zone.

It’s about the possibility of falling prey to scammers.

It’s about the potential of being a victim of a GCG or becoming a visa mule.

It’s about being vulnerable to all of the above and more in international dating.

There are just so many things to factor in which aren’t an issue in local dating.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 09, 2021, 11:09:00 AM
For both parties :)


Very true.  In some ways, I think it's more of a leap of faith for women.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 15, 2021, 04:12:35 PM
Well as a matter of interest I decided to take my profile down of Tinder yesterday and instead put up a female profile to see what types of men are on there, the competition ;)

For this task I chose pics of Kherson girl. Well I knew she was pretty but even I was surprised that within the hour she had over 100 likes lol. Hmmnn... I don't think I would last very long if I had brought her back to the UK! No doubt she is eeking out an existence in Ukraine oblivious to how in demand she would be if she was in the UK just a three hour plane journey away :-\

Anyhow, yeah results were interesting. I scrolled through a fair few guys photos, clicking on nope to each profile so as to not mislead the guys. Very few of the guy making out he is wealthy, only one of some guy in a tux's that looked like he went to Eton or something. The big thing guys seem to play on there is physique, loads of naked torso shots of those guys that are worked out which seems to be about at least half of the guys on there. My guess is that guys like that go on there and find it's an easy way to get likes from women, they go out and meet them, have sex then fancy tasting other girls for sex, they can get one so they can get many by the same method. The girls of course ignore the other guys and get suckered in by the torso pics and just hope each time it will lead to a LTR which of course it never does as the guys want to try other women that come up. The fake stuff all the girls use probably doesn't help it just makes them difficult to identify with if anything almost generic plastic Barbie doll like. The rest of the guys with the big standard pics I don't reckon get any joy, most of them will get precious little decent women, the odd fatty or ugly girl who will be a complete turn off to most guys, etc

So a bit if an eye opener but worth seeing what the score really is on there. I'll delete the profile soon. Can't really do the torso thing myself in there as not quite there as yet but I'm working on it ;)
Title: Re: Women
Post by: ML on November 15, 2021, 06:03:36 PM
Oh man . . . you are going to be killed here now !!!
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Bee Farmer on November 15, 2021, 09:51:26 PM
Trench, you're gonna have to change your name to Hairy Boris now.  (There's a way to earn some extra cash - you can be Hairy Boris on the websites, scamming desperate men with promises of easy sex and love from beautiful girls in pics.)

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but I'm guessing most women have some element of the material things they like to see in a guy.

Most women want a man who can provide for her future unborn child.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 15, 2021, 09:58:08 PM
Oh man . . . you are going to be killed here now !!!


As well he should be.


What normal 40 plus year old man posts a photo of a woman so he can "check out the competition"?  That's the stuff of high schoolers, with all their adolescent angst.  It's not the actions of a mentally healthy adult.


I won't even get into the breach of privacy about the girlfriend.  He may have committed a crime with that one.  John would likely know.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 16, 2021, 12:13:36 AM

As well he should be.


What normal 40 plus year old man posts a photo of a woman so he can "check out the competition"?  That's the stuff of high schoolers, with all their adolescent angst.  It's not the actions of a mentally healthy adult.


I won't even get into the breach of privacy about the girlfriend.  He may have committed a crime with that one.  John would likely know.

Certainly, there has been a breach of personal data of the girl whose photo he used.

There could also be a criminal offence of setting up a false social media account or creation of a false profile, dependent on circumstances whether it would meet the threshold for a criminal prosecution.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 16, 2021, 01:45:11 AM
Certainly, there has been a breach of personal data of the girl whose photo he used.

There could also be a criminal offence of setting up a false social media account or creation of a false profile, dependent on circumstances whether it would meet the threshold for a criminal prosecution.

That's bs Gaunty, a criminal offence is only committed if the fake profile is set up for the purpose of abuse which of course it has not:

http://www.cybersmile.org/news/uk-plans-to-prosecute-fake-online-profile-abusers

The girl is not a UK citizen and the photos are public domain already. In any case the profile has now been taken down.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 16, 2021, 01:50:54 AM

As well he should be.


What normal 40 plus year old man posts a photo of a woman so he can "check out the competition"?  That's the stuff of high schoolers, with all their adolescent angst.  It's not the actions of a mentally healthy adult.

It's common sense, no point being part of it all if you can't see how it all operates. Everyone should be able to see what they are getting into. There are hairy Boris's making fake profiles of girls in the FSU all the time and ripping guys off in doing so yet nothing is done about them. Mine was merely out of interest to to see how it all worked, I interacted with no one through the profile and no harm was done.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 16, 2021, 05:58:35 AM
Well as a matter of interest I decided to take my profile down of Tinder yesterday and instead put up a female profile to see what types of men are on there, the competition ;)

For this task I chose pics of Kherson girl. Well I knew she was pretty but even I was surprised that within the hour she had over 100 likes lol. Hmmnn... I don't think I would last very long if I had brought her back to the UK! No doubt she is eeking out an existence in Ukraine oblivious to how in demand she would be if she was in the UK just a three hour plane journey away :-\

Anyhow, yeah results were interesting. I scrolled through a fair few guys photos, clicking on nope to each profile so as to not mislead the guys. Very few of the guy making out he is wealthy, only one of some guy in a tux's that looked like he went to Eton or something. The big thing guys seem to play on there is physique, loads of naked torso shots of those guys that are worked out which seems to be about at least half of the guys on there. My guess is that guys like that go on there and find it's an easy way to get likes from women, they go out and meet them, have sex then fancy tasting other girls for sex, they can get one so they can get many by the same method. The girls of course ignore the other guys and get suckered in by the torso pics and just hope each time it will lead to a LTR which of course it never does as the guys want to try other women that come up. The fake stuff all the girls use probably doesn't help it just makes them difficult to identify with if anything almost generic plastic Barbie doll like. The rest of the guys with the big standard pics I don't reckon get any joy, most of them will get precious little decent women, the odd fatty or ugly girl who will be a complete turn off to most guys, etc

So a bit if an eye opener but worth seeing what the score really is on there. I'll delete the profile soon. Can't really do the torso thing myself in there as not quite there as yet but I'm working on it ;)


I've never used Tinder..in fact i've never used any of the online UK dating sites.


However,i,know someone who does and he tells me he has sex with three or four different women a week from that site. :o


He's in his forties and very average looking..slightly tubby.


When he told me he laughed at the look of astonishment on my face and said "You wouldn't go near any of them..they're all munters i can't wait to get away from after we've f....d "


He has a very low opinion of women after his marriage broke up due to him not being able to go on holiday with his wife and daughter to the Caribbean as he'd just been granted the licence for a BMW dealership and had to remain at home to set it up.


He told his wife and daughter to go on holiday anyway,as he'd already paid for it,and whilst there they both had sex with black tour guides.


So for him women are just a means to an end now.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: fathertime on November 16, 2021, 07:38:48 AM

I've never used Tinder..in fact i've never used any of the online UK dating sites.


However,i,know someone who does and he tells me he has sex with three or four different women a week from that site. :o


He's in his forties and very average looking..slightly tubby.


When he told me he laughed at the look of astonishment on my face and said "You wouldn't go near any of them..they're all munters i can't wait to get away from after we've f....d "


He has a very low opinion of women after his marriage broke up due to him not being able to go on holiday with his wife and daughter to the Caribbean as he'd just been granted the licence for a BMW dealership and had to remain at home to set it up.


He told his wife and daughter to go on holiday anyway,as he'd already paid for it,and whilst there they both had sex with black tour guides.


So for him women are just a means to an end now.
Interesting story about your buddy and thanks for expanding my vocabulary with 'munters'.

It seems your buddy has given up in a way.  Do you know how he figured out his wife was banging the locals in the Caribbean? 

Fathertime!


Title: Women or lack thereof
Post by: 2tallbill on November 16, 2021, 09:02:20 AM
So it's coming together now I feel.

Your remodel is completely finished? Yes or No?

How many days per week do you work out? How much time for each work out?
What do you do?
Title: Re: Women
Post by: ML on November 16, 2021, 09:13:35 AM
Do you know how he figured out his wife was banging the locals in the Caribbean? 

Probably by the complexion of child and grandchild.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: 2tallbill on November 16, 2021, 09:32:44 AM
but I'm working on it ;)

You are like a baby playing with your poop.

Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 16, 2021, 10:01:29 AM

I've never used Tinder..in fact i've never used any of the online UK dating sites.


However,i,know someone who does and he tells me he has sex with three or four different women a week from that site. :o


He's in his forties and very average looking..slightly tubby.


When he told me he laughed at the look of astonishment on my face and said "You wouldn't go near any of them..they're all munters i can't wait to get away from after we've f....d "


He has a very low opinion of women after his marriage broke up due to him not being able to go on holiday with his wife and daughter to the Caribbean as he'd just been granted the licence for a BMW dealership and had to remain at home to set it up.


He told his wife and daughter to go on holiday anyway,as he'd already paid for it,and whilst there they both had sex with black tour guides.


So for him women are just a means to an end now.


Wow.  He sounds very emotionally healthy /s.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: ML on November 16, 2021, 10:11:13 AM

Wow.  He sends very emotionally healthy /s.

Something missing or a typo here ?
Title: Re: Women
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2021, 10:27:45 AM
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He told his wife and daughter to go on holiday anyway,as he'd already paid for it,and whilst there they both had sex with black tour guides.


They're not tour guides. Rent a Rusta had been going on for a long time now. White women, especially British/Canadian/American women, flock the island paradise to get sexed up ala jungle fever.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63iwgIPUSU4





Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 16, 2021, 10:36:20 AM
Something missing or a typo here ?


Oops, sorry, I hit "modify" rather than "quote", but restored your post.


No, that is for sarcasm.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 16, 2021, 11:54:38 AM
Interesting story about your buddy and thanks for expanding my vocabulary with 'munters'.

It seems your buddy has given up in a way.  Do you know how he figured out his wife was banging the locals in the Caribbean? 

Fathertime!


I've wondered about that myself,but i won't ask him about such a touchy subject.


If he ever volunteers the info i'll let you know.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 16, 2021, 04:55:47 PM
It's common sense, no point being part of it all if you can't see how it all operates. Everyone should be able to see what they are getting into. There are hairy Boris's making fake profiles of girls in the FSU all the time and ripping guys off in doing so yet nothing is done about them. Mine was merely out of interest to to see how it all worked, I interacted with no one through the profile and no harm was done.


You don't know who else took the girl's photo.  But even putting that aside, what, exactly, did you "learn"?  You could just as easily have looked at profiles without creating a fake one.  Moreover, it is irrelevant to who you are and what you seek.  Were you some pimply faced 15 year old, I could understand this.  But you are supposed to be a grown up.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 16, 2021, 05:07:19 PM

You don't know who else took the girl's photo.  But even putting that aside, what, exactly, did you "learn"?  You could just as easily have looked at profiles without creating a fake one.  Moreover, it is irrelevant to who you are and what you seek.  Were you some pimply faced 15 year old, I could understand this.  But you are supposed to be a grown up.

It tells me a lot. It tells me how in demand a hot girl is. It tells me the sort of stuff girls go for on such a site. CB friend is right that the girls on there are kind of dubious, a lot look like Katie Price lookalikes, a lot of fake eyelashes, dyed hair, fake tans, overly pouty, etc. To be honest it's not a great look and a lot are likely Munters with a lot of ott makeup job. Even still it was kind of interesting how many guys had a gym bod on there complete with six pack abs, etc. No doubt it works for them but just so many profiles like it, about half I would say it was almost like a gym hang out app, think a disproportionate number of guys that work out probably use the app as no way do I think it's reflective of most guys in the UK. Probably go there for a quick hook up as they know they will pick up girls of the back of their gym bod pics.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 16, 2021, 05:19:30 PM

I've wondered about that myself,but i won't ask him about such a touchy subject.


If he ever volunteers the info i'll let you know.

Can only think they confessed all when they got back. Pretty nasty thing they did can imagine that the poor guy felt rwal cut up about it. If you think of all those years he was with his wife and bringing up his daughter then they go off and do that despicable act. Meanwhile he passed up the chance of the holiday to focus on providing a good financial future for the family only to have it all torn apart from the horrible thing they did.

Can only guess at the reason they did it, fed up of being with him, wife seeing she can take him for half of his wealth and wanting a way he'll want to divorce her, or perhaps just plain wh*res.

Knew a guy once whose wife was having sex with another guy while he was doing nightwork. He told me about it, seemed to really have affected the poor guy deeply. He volunteered the information I didn't ask and kept going over it, I didn't ask questions it didn't seem the thing to do. Anyhow he split up with his wife and she went off with their kid. Kind of a terrible to see people inflicting so much hurt and damage on the lives of people they got with but considered them so little in doing it.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 16, 2021, 05:32:33 PM

They're not tour guides. Rent a Rusta had been going on for a long time now. White women, especially British/Canadian/American women, flock the island paradise to get sexed up ala jungle fever.




There was a programme on Channel 4 or 5 on tv a couple of years ago about British women sex tourists flocking to Turkey looking for toyboys...buying the young men gifts and giving them money in exchange for sex.


Funny how it's accepted when women do it..but when older men chase young women they're called perverts and dirty old men. :rolleyes:


You'd get couples on the Jeremy Kyle show where the bloke would be in his fifties/sixties..his wife/girlfriend would be in her twenties and middle-aged women in the audience would be frothing at the mouth and screaming pervert at him.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 16, 2021, 09:40:04 PM
That's bs Gaunty, a criminal offence is only committed if the fake profile is set up for the purpose of abuse which of course it has not:

http://www.cybersmile.org/news/uk-plans-to-prosecute-fake-online-profile-abusers

The girl is not a UK citizen and the photos are public domain already. In any case the profile has now been taken down.

I’d suggest that your intent was to deceive and as we know already, the entire profile was false. So I would certainly infer that an offence has been committed.

The fact that she is not a UK citizen is irrelevant, as is whether the photos were in the public domain or not. Did she give you permission to use them in that fashion?

By the way, there is other legislation in place by which one can deem an offence to have been committed, not just on online abuse.

You think Google is your friend but clicking on the first link that appears to suit your perceived circumstances doesn’t really work.

Whether it would meet the threshold for charges to be brought is a matter for the CPS.




Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 16, 2021, 11:27:48 PM
Can only think they confessed all when they got back. Pretty nasty thing they did can imagine that the poor guy felt rwal cut up about it. If you think of all those years he was with his wife and bringing up his daughter then they go off and do that despicable act. Meanwhile he passed up the chance of the holiday to focus on providing a good financial future for the family only to have it all torn apart from the horrible thing they did.

Can only guess at the reason they did it, fed up of being with him, wife seeing she can take him for half of his wealth and wanting a way he'll want to divorce her, or perhaps just plain wh*res.

Knew a guy once whose wife was having sex with another guy while he was doing nightwork. He told me about it, seemed to really have affected the poor guy deeply. He volunteered the information I didn't ask and kept going over it, I didn't ask questions it didn't seem the thing to do. Anyhow he split up with his wife and she went off with their kid. Kind of a terrible to see people inflicting so much hurt and damage on the lives of people they got with but considered them so little in doing it.

One presumes the daughter was an adult and free to do as she chose?

In any case, we don’t know about their lives or relationship or what went on in that family so pointless commenting the way you do as you only see things through the prism of your warped misconceptions about women and relationships.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 16, 2021, 11:44:47 PM
I’d suggest that your intent was to deceive and as we know already, the entire profile was false. So I would certainly infer that an offence has been committed.

The fact that she is not a UK citizen is irrelevant, as is whether the photos were in the public domain or not. Did she give you permission to use them in that fashion?

By the way, there is other legislation in place by which one can deem an offence to have been committed, not just on online abuse.

You think Google is your friend but clicking on the first link that appears to suit your perceived circumstances doesn’t really work.

Whether it would meet the threshold for charges to be brought is a matter for the CPS.

Well then from the CPS own webpage:

8. The act of setting up a false social networking account or website, or the creation of a false or offensive profile or alias could amount to a criminal offence, depending on the circumstance For example:
The former estranged partner of a victim creates a profile of the victim on a Facebook page, to attack the character of the victim, and the profile includes material that is grossly offensive, false, menacing or obscene.
A "photoshopped" (digitally edited) image of a person is created and posted on a social media platform. Although many photoshopped images are humorous and inoffensive, others are disturbing or sinister, such as the merging of a person's face with the nude body of another to create obscene images, which may be accompanied by offensive comment.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/social-media-guidelines-prosecuting-cases-involving-communications-sent-social-media

So we're not talking about creating a fake profile in general but one where it has been created to cause someone harm or malicious intent. End of the day half the country probably has fake profiles or have done so. Do you think loads of others haven't done so who have used Tinder? It's common sense to get the lowdown and find out the score if you're not getting any joy on it. That's why there are so many profiles of the same type in Tinder, guys find out that other guys are putting up certain type of pics and they follow suit on what they see as likely working. Do you really think the Police want to know about some fake dating profile? They've got a lot of serious stuff to deal with not a load of tittle tattle over some silky profile on the internet. Unless someone is using it against someone else to cause them some form of harm in an aggressive manner then no they have other things to deal with. They know that sort of rubbish goes on all the time it's nothing they've got time for.

If someone puts their pics out in the public domain then the public are already exposed to them. They can be copied potentially by millions of people, saved, stored, etc. People stick their photos on social media and dating sites knowing that all across the world then have access to those pics so they have given up any right to those pics being private in posting them up. It's what Tinder is all about people posting photos up off themselves. Once there anyone can copy send onto their mate, etc, etc. You voluntarily accept that you lose control of it once posted up there.

In the UK it is perfectly legal to take a photo of a stranger down the street even if you so wanted.
Title: Re: Women or lack thereof
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 16, 2021, 11:59:00 PM
Your remodel is completely finished? Yes or No?

How many days per week do you work out? How much time for each work out?
What do you do?

I lost 0.6 percent of my body fat ratio this week and know that I can sustain it week on week at about the same rate of fall until I get down to around 15 percent body fat which should be around what I need for an athletic type of body. It will take a few weeks but my new diet is starting to work well and I have confidence in it :)

Work out I do whenever I have a spare moment, it is going fine and steady progress is being made. I'll progress with this as the weeks continue.

The remodel, well the extension is nearly done, walls up and flat roof just about on, still windows and door to put in. It took my all Summer working king weekends but I reckon I have probably saved about £20 - £25k by the time it's all done. Then just a kitchen & bathroom to install and finishing off a few bits inside and it's done :)

It's been a lot longer than expected and more of an ordeal than hoped for but it's starting to shape up nicely and should be good when all done. So hopefully not much longer and should be able to move forward from there and get more money in etc.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 17, 2021, 09:09:09 AM
Well then from the CPS own webpage:

8. The act of setting up a false social networking account or website, or the creation of a false or offensive profile or alias could amount to a criminal offence, depending on the circumstance For example:
The former estranged partner of a victim creates a profile of the victim on a Facebook page, to attack the character of the victim, and the profile includes material that is grossly offensive, false, menacing or obscene.
A "photoshopped" (digitally edited) image of a person is created and posted on a social media platform. Although many photoshopped images are humorous and inoffensive, others are disturbing or sinister, such as the merging of a person's face with the nude body of another to create obscene images, which may be accompanied by offensive comment.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/social-media-guidelines-prosecuting-cases-involving-communications-sent-social-media

So we're not talking about creating a fake profile in general but one where it has been created to cause someone harm or malicious intent. End of the day half the country probably has fake profiles or have done so. Do you think loads of others haven't done so who have used Tinder? It's common sense to get the lowdown and find out the score if you're not getting any joy on it. That's why there are so many profiles of the same type in Tinder, guys find out that other guys are putting up certain type of pics and they follow suit on what they see as likely working. Do you really think the Police want to know about some fake dating profile? They've got a lot of serious stuff to deal with not a load of tittle tattle over some silky profile on the internet. Unless someone is using it against someone else to cause them some form of harm in an aggressive manner then no they have other things to deal with. They know that sort of rubbish goes on all the time it's nothing they've got time for.

If someone puts their pics out in the public domain then the public are already exposed to them. They can be copied potentially by millions of people, saved, stored, etc. People stick their photos on social media and dating sites knowing that all across the world then have access to those pics so they have given up any right to those pics being private in posting them up. It's what Tinder is all about people posting photos up off themselves. Once there anyone can copy send onto their mate, etc, etc. You voluntarily accept that you lose control of it once posted up there.

In the UK it is perfectly legal to take a photo of a stranger down the street even if you so wanted.

No matter how much you try to obviate the seriousness of your actions it doesn’t change the fact that you have engaged in deception.
 Saying, oh but others do it too, is no defence.

Downplaying it by saying the police won’t want to know about fake profiles doesn’t in any way detract from the fact you have been deceptive.

Like I said, you intended to deceive. Fact.
 Y OU  H A V E  B E E N  D E C E P T I V E

Like I said, if you were reported, It would be down to CPS to gauge intent and charge or not.

Title: Re: Women
Post by: GQBlues on November 17, 2021, 10:27:52 AM
For many of you...after an arduous 6 years, none still have gotten the clue that the subject of your scorn is beyond help. Hardly a newbie in the pursuit of the MOB, but rather a misguided basement critter who had obviously chosen to live the life he chose - +40 years running.


Pointless is an extreme understatement.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 17, 2021, 10:50:17 AM
For many of you...after an arduous 6 years, none still have gotten the clue that the subject of your scorn is beyond help. Hardly a newbie in the pursuit of the MOB, but rather a misguided basement critter who had obviously chosen to live the life he chose - +40 years running.
I think we all know, GQ. You have to admit though. Where would you go for an evenings entertainment if it weren’t for our in house tutti frutti?


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Pointless is an extreme understatement.
Have to agree with you.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: GQBlues on November 17, 2021, 11:30:37 AM
I used to think back in the days when the whole MOB just got started, and every participants were so amped about the experience, every single one so badly wanted to share their own personal experiences. We were all part of the Band of the 'Attaboy Brotherhood'! There wasn't a newbie that wandered about that wasn't met with such encouragement, assistance and guidance ensuring that they too, are able to share in the wondrous experience of the MOB. No one can hardly wait until these newbies themselves get knighted into the brotherhood.


Then the devil within started to rear its ugly heads. It became evident each one of us 'men' really are wired differently. For many, the brotherhood was instrumental for the suffering of many unsuspecting FSUWs who were hitched onward to their personal nightmares with a quickening.


Not all good intentions result in positive, happy endings. Be always wary.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 17, 2021, 01:26:26 PM
It tells me a lot. It tells me how in demand a hot girl is.

Stop the presses!  Men want to date and bed "hot" women.  Wow. I can certainly understand why you would set up a profile to determine that men want to date attractive women.  How could anyone have discerned that on their own?
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It tells me the sort of stuff girls go for on such a site. CB friend is right that the girls on there are kind of dubious, a lot look like Katie Price lookalikes, a lot of fake eyelashes, dyed hair, fake tans, overly pouty, etc. To be honest it's not a great look and a lot are likely Munters with a lot of ott makeup job. Even still it was kind of interesting how many guys had a gym bod on there complete with six pack abs, etc. No doubt it works for them but just so many profiles like it, about half I would say it was almost like a gym hang out app, think a disproportionate number of guys that work out probably use the app as no way do I think it's reflective of most guys in the UK. Probably go there for a quick hook up as they know they will pick up girls of the back of their gym bod pics.


Again, how could anyone have ever known that women are equally attracted to attractive men?  You really made groundbreaking strides. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Women
Post by: BC on November 17, 2021, 01:30:22 PM

If someone puts their pics out in the public domain then the public are already exposed to them. They can be copied potentially by millions of people, saved, stored, etc. People stick their photos on social media and dating sites knowing that all across the world then have access to those pics so they have given up any right to those pics being private in posting them up. It's what Tinder is all about people posting photos up off themselves. Once there anyone can copy send onto their mate, etc, etc. You voluntarily accept that you lose control of it once posted up there.

In the UK it is perfectly legal to take a photo of a stranger down the street even if you so wanted.

You can take all the photos of people you want in public, but usually need a model release to publish it.  Publishing photos that others have taken could be copyright infringement.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2021, 01:46:32 PM
I used to think back in the days when the whole MOB just got started, and every participants were so amped about the experience, every single one so badly wanted to share their own personal experiences. We were all part of the Band of the 'Attaboy Brotherhood'! There wasn't a newbie that wandered about that wasn't met with such encouragement, assistance and guidance ensuring that they too, are able to share in the wondrous experience of the MOB. No one can hardly wait until these newbies themselves get knighted into the brotherhood.


Then the devil within started to rear its ugly heads. It became evident each one of us 'men' really are wired differently. For many, the brotherhood was instrumental for the suffering of many unsuspecting FSUWs who were hitched onward to their personal nightmares with a quickening.


Not all good intentions result in positive, happy endings. Be always wary.

I think when a new frontier opens this happens a lot. It happened on a much smaller scale with the start of online dating in the west and speed dating. Both held promise on the face of it of a happy quick solution to dating. Alas it was too good to be true. I think FSU dating still has some worth in it. There are issues for most to get past but I don't think it's buggered for all, just for some and at different stages.

I remember trying out FSU dating just over a decade ago. It certainly had a different buzz then and yes it seemed a lot more of guys trying to get it on. Most of the buzz back then was trying to find a girl who was legit, many were using ppl sites and the sending of gifts to get a pic of the girl to prove she existed was all the rage lol. Things have moved on and in many ways got less dodgy, perhaps that in effect makes it not the excitement that some guys seek and hence less people doing it possibly? I think some guys got off on the game of it all, some even became scammer sleuths lol.

I still think that Speed Dating tells a lot about the state of the dating problem in the West. I mean if you can't get 20 guys and 20 girls in a room together and none of the girls wishes to meet any of the 20 guys to get to know them further then something is very wrong. Apparently though this is a regular outcome of these nights. I only saw the occasional kind of odd guy or girl at those events (I went to four in total). Most of the guys and girls in my opinion looked and acted fine. Do what made the girls find the guys not acceptable?

My sister went to a speed dating event, she didn't pick any of the guys, apart from the odd one she really didn't take to, she said they were all weird lol. I didn't see that, my guess is she meant they were all a bit on the quiet side, she said they look a bit unsure/nervous at the begining. I personally think that the girls expectations are higher than they should be as to be unrealistic. I personally see Western dating failing at a basic level if 20 guys & 20 girls get together and a regular outcome is no girl wishes to see any of the guys again, it's simple, it's basic, it should work but it doesn't.

I personally put that down to the change in western society of most women going after careers, it makes them think that they are then should have a much higher expectation of the guy they will be able to get with.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
No matter how much you try to obviate the seriousness of your actions it doesn’t change the fact that you have engaged in deception.
 Saying, oh but others do it too, is no defence.

Downplaying it by saying the police won’t want to know about fake profiles doesn’t in any way detract from the fact you have been deceptive.

Like I said, you intended to deceive. Fact.
 Y OU  H A V E  B E E N  D E C E P T I V E

Like I said, if you were reported, It would be down to CPS to gauge intent and charge or not.

To be deceptive you have to have evidence of who has been deceived or at least attempted to be deceived. No one has been deceived so I rest my case, time to hang up that wig Gaunty and retire from the Old Bailey ;D
Title: Re: Women
Post by: ML on November 17, 2021, 01:56:21 PM
Watched an episode of FBI - International last night.
A pretty good series.

Action centered on Prague with the killing of an AM who was filming pornography.

The female Czech police lady assisting the FBI said Prague was the world center of porno filming because of 1) relaxed attitudes and 2) a plethora of willing beautiful women.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2021, 02:04:38 PM

Stop the presses!  Men want to date and bed "hot" women.  Wow. I can certainly understand why you would set up a profile to determine that men want to date attractive women.  How could anyone have discerened that on their own?

Again, how could anyone have ever known that women are equally attracted to attractive men?  You really made groundbreaking strides. :rolleyes:

Yeah but who thought the intensity of guts after a hot girl would be so high and think about it she would be living the high life here spoilt for choice over guys if, if she was not in Kherson, a backwater Ukrainian dumpsk with only a very tiny few wealthy guys and most others dirt poor in a not overly attractive environment unless the natural environment scenery turn you on. Kind of amusing that a girl can be real pretty but not be living the high life. And me an everyday looking guy doing ok in a good western country.

Guys, yes I suppose having a gym bod would kind of appeal, it's not always easy to see why girls get turned on by what as a guy. Don't worry Boe, I'm on my way to that gym bod this time I think! :D
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 17, 2021, 02:49:32 PM
Watched an episode of FBI - International last night.
A pretty good series.

Action centered on Prague with the killing of an AM who was filming pornography.

The female Czech police lady assisting the FBI said Prague was the world center of porno filming because of 1) relaxed attitudes and 2) a plethora of willing beautiful women.


It's well known for plenty of beautiful hookers hanging around on street corners too....and in lorry parks.
Title: Women or lack thereof
Post by: 2tallbill on November 17, 2021, 03:45:33 PM
I lost 0.6 percent of my body fat ratio this week and know that I can sustain it week on week at about the same rate of fall until I get down to around 15 percent body fat which should be around what I need for an athletic type of body. It will take a few weeks but my new diet is starting to work well and I have confidence in it :)

Work out I do whenever I have a spare moment, it is going fine and steady progress is being made. I'll progress with this as the weeks continue.

The remodel, well the extension is nearly done, walls up and flat roof just about on, still windows and door to put in. It took my all Summer working king weekends but I reckon I have probably saved about £20 - £25k by the time it's all done. Then just a kitchen & bathroom to install and finishing off a few bits inside and it's done :)

It's been a lot longer than expected and more of an ordeal than hoped for but it's starting to shape up nicely and should be good when all done. So hopefully not much longer and should be able to move forward from there and get more money in etc.

You didn't answer my questions.

So in other words, the remodel is not finished. You aren't working out regularly
and not studying Russian. You have decided to waste your time trying to find out
if women prefer attractive men over non attractive men.

I knew a guy named Bart that flunked out of college, he just hung around the
TV room in the dorm and never went to class or did his homework.

I also know a guy from Lucky Lovers site from Croydon and he was chatting on a
public chat that I frequented and there was a tall pretty girl that was enamored
with him. He never had two coins in his pocket so he never visited her. A guy from
the forums contacted her (he was ugly and slightly over weight) but he got on a
plane and visited her and they have been married for 9 years now.

You are determined to be either the Croydon guy or Bart. 

Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 17, 2021, 04:21:08 PM
Yeah but who thought the intensity of guts after a hot girl would be so high and think about it she would be living the high life here spoilt for choice over guys if, if she was not in Kherson, a backwater Ukrainian dumpsk with only a very tiny few wealthy guys and most others dirt poor in a not overly attractive environment unless the natural environment scenery turn you on. Kind of amusing that a girl can be real pretty but not be living the high life. And me an everyday looking guy doing ok in a good western country.

Guys, yes I suppose having a gym bod would kind of appeal, it's not always easy to see why girls get turned on by what as a guy. Don't worry Boe, I'm on my way to that gym bod this time I think! :D


1.  How did any of that help you in your search for Mrs. Trench?


2.  You focus on the wrong things.



Title: Re: Women or lack thereof
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2021, 04:24:18 PM
You didn't answer my questions.

So in other words, the remodel is not finished. You aren't working out regularly
and not studying Russian. You have decided to waste your time trying to find out
if women prefer attractive men over non attractive men.

I knew a guy named Bart that flunked out of college, he just hung around the
TV room in the dorm and never went to class or did his homework.

I also know a guy from Lucky Lovers site from Croydon and he was chatting on a
public chat that I frequented and there was a tall pretty girl that was enamored
with him. He never had two coins in his pocket so he never visited her. A guy from
the forums contacted her (he was ugly and slightly over weight) but he got on a
plane and visited her and they have been married for 9 years now.

You are determined to be either the Croydon guy or Bart.

Bill this isn't the US, most stuff here has to be masonry build due to the weather, etc. Builds take time to put up if done by just one guy. Getting more people in costs money, a lot of money. There are not many well paying jobs here in comparison to the US certainly anything over the $100k or $200k range would be a hard find and hard to get likely by anyone in the know, the right connections etc.

So nothing unfortunately happens fast. I can build a small 3m by 4m cavity wall extension as quick as I can think about it. I can't get muscles or lose weight as quick as I can think about it. Both of these take time, more time than I would like them to take. I'm certainly not lounging around, can I do more, not really, there isn't really any time to do anything more. It will come but it will take time. I've also got to chose a routine that suits me, though we can get milder winters in the UK there not the sort thing where many people would fancy going out jogging or running or cycling even. It can be real unpleasant doing any of those things. So it's got to be a routine that moves things forward but is sustainable for me, otherwise at best it would be a quick result eon and then lost. Things are happening, I reckoning in about 3 months or so I will have a bit of a gym bod going which I should be able to keep up. About the same time frame the house will be pretty much finished and will be able to rent some rooms out. That will free me up a lot which means I will be able to develop some quality time to learning Russian beyond the basic phrasebook stuff I know at present. So stuff is happening but not in an instant as otherwise everyone would be doing it.
Title: Re: Women or lack thereof
Post by: 2tallbill on November 17, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
Bill this isn't the US, most stuff here has to be masonry build due to the weather, etc. Builds take time to put up if done by just one guy.

I have forgotten more about construction, masonry and otherwise than you will
ever know. You can't convince anyone especially me that you aren't dilly dallying.


I can't get muscles or lose weight as quick as I can think about it.

If it's important to you, you will find a way otherwise you will make excuses.

Title: Re: Women
Post by: Jumper1 on November 17, 2021, 05:47:24 PM
For many of you...after an arduous 6 years, none still have gotten the clue that the subject of your scorn is beyond help. Hardly a newbie in the pursuit of the MOB, but rather a misguided basement critter who had obviously chosen to live the life he chose - +40 years running.


Pointless is an extreme understatement.

Hope burns eternal.

I think it just amuses me overall.

Add to that when reading TC's posts,I often envision him being pulled about by  the ear like a schoolboy by the future Mrs trench  when he has a slip up,
 and exposes one of his misguided views on what she should wear or who she should be, or befriend , etc.
I also envision her as solidly built and able to wrap tc around both her little finger,  or a tree if she so chooses.
Guess I'm easily amused.

:)
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2021, 07:48:39 PM
One presumes the daughter was an adult and free to do as she chose?

In any case, we don’t know about their lives or relationship or what went on in that family so pointless commenting the way you do as you only see things through the prism of your warped misconceptions about women and relationships.

Anyone can do theoretically whatever they like and it doesn't make it right. I doubt this would be right in many people's minds regardless of the ins and outs, the act rather speaks for itself and in a rather bad way for both of them. The wife doing it is bad enough but the fact that the daughter joined in speaks volumes about how low her morals are. The daughter being a direct offspring of the father it's reflects pretty poorly on her and the type of person she is. I don't think I would like to be in the company of either of them.
Title: Re: Women or lack thereof
Post by: John Gaunt on November 17, 2021, 08:42:20 PM
Bill this isn't the US, most stuff here has to be masonry build due to the weather, etc. Builds take time to put up if done by just one guy. Getting more people in costs money, a lot of money. There are not many well paying jobs here in comparison to the US certainly anything over the $100k or $200k range would be a hard find and hard to get likely by anyone in the know, the right connections etc.

So nothing unfortunately happens fast. I can build a small 3m by 4m cavity wall extension as quick as I can think about it. I can't get muscles or lose weight as quick as I can think about it. Both of these take time, more time than I would like them to take. I'm certainly not lounging around, can I do more, not really, there isn't really any time to do anything more. It will come but it will take time. I've also got to chose a routine that suits me, though we can get milder winters in the UK there not the sort thing where many people would fancy going out jogging or running or cycling even. It can be real unpleasant doing any of those things. So it's got to be a routine that moves things forward but is sustainable for me, otherwise at best it would be a quick result eon and then lost. Things are happening, I reckoning in about 3 months or so I will have a bit of a gym bod going which I should be able to keep up. About the same time frame the house will be pretty much finished and will be able to rent some rooms out. That will free me up a lot which means I will be able to develop some quality time to learning Russian beyond the basic phrasebook stuff I know at present. So stuff is happening but not in an instant as otherwise everyone would be doing it.

You’ve been parroting the same line these past umpteen years.

That tells us something. Bill nailed it.

This is all whitewash.

The actuality of it all is your expectation that ‘hot girls’ from impoverished countries from the FSU should be tripping over themselves to get a look in as the future Mrs of an average looking, poor as Donald Duck, basement dwelling misogynist like you.

Title: Re: Women or lack thereof
Post by: John Gaunt on November 17, 2021, 08:49:39 PM
I lost 0.6 percent of my body fat ratio this week and know that I can sustain it week on week at about the same rate of fall until I get down to around 15 percent body fat which should be around what I need for an athletic type of body. It will take a few weeks but my new diet is starting to work well and I have confidence in it :)

Work out I do whenever I have a spare moment, it is going fine and steady progress is being made. I'll progress with this as the weeks continue.



I think if you were to plot a graph of your progress it would be like this:

      _______________________
Title: Re: Women or lack thereof
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2021, 08:04:15 AM
You’ve been parroting the same line these past umpteen years.

That tells us something. Bill nailed it.

This is all whitewash.

The actuality of it all is your expectation that ‘hot girls’ from impoverished countries from the FSU should be tripping over themselves to get a look in as the future Mrs of an average looking, poor as Donald Duck, basement dwelling misogynist like you.

I don't think you realise how woman's expectations have changed over time Gaunty. I would say up to around the 80s women didn't expect their guys to be well worked out, etc, they brought in the money as a provider and that was good enough. Since women have entered the workplace en-masse that is no longer something that most guys can easily win on. A lot of men aren't even sure of what women now want or just don't know, I didn't, all new territory. Back in the day a few women who were the pretty girls were after the few guys that were well worked out and any other stuff they had going for them, now it is most everyday average girls wanting that, even those that are below average like overweight women.

When I was in Cyprus with Kherson girl I was strolling along the beach front with her and I just about overheard a guy walking the opposite way with his girl a short distance away. He had noticed Kherson girl was pretty, he was worked out, an English guy like myself but a bit younger, and was saying to his woman who was a little overweight about me that I had a girl who was pretty but yet not worked out and (at the time) wore glasses, think his comment was along the lines of me being a four eyes with no muscle, he thought it was a joke lol. His girl didn't overly like the way he viewed things he could tell and he said to her that, 'just saying it wouldn't harm you to lose a few pounds'. It kind of summed up the situation in the UK that a guy who is worked out with a bit of a gym bod can only get a girl who is overweight in some circumstances. I've heard that several times of men being in a fitter state than the women in the UK.

Even the girl I met in Belarus was dissatisfied that I wasn't well work out, I'm not fat I will add just not a gym bod. Anyhow she was an everyday looking girl, well turned out enough in a pleasant but non-sexy clothing sort of way. She wasn't pretty facially like Kherson girl but she seemed to be under the impression that she would get more from a guy from abroad, physique was obviously important to her, that sort of look. At the time I wore glasses and she wasn't that keen on that either. It was handy feedback for me of what to work on and I would recommend any guy asking similar if a girl doesn't seem that interested as a lot can be learned. I don't take offense when I hear of weak points like this, or what a woman may see as weak points it just shows me where I can improve which I would rather move forward knowing than have many a woman have issue with.

Anyway, things are improving, I no longer wear glasses as I had laser surgery done and I'm improving my physique etc. It may sound as though nothing is happening but it is, it takes time, muscles don't just blow up from nowhere unless the guy is in roids which I wouldn't do and fat isn't lost overnight (not that I look fat) it takes a good few weeks to lose it in a healthy sustainable way. In a few weeks time I will be looking pretty good and will report back maybe with a hot pic of my torso for you to admire Gaunty ;D
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2021, 08:20:50 AM
The thing is on this topic is that I hear a lot of stuff about women complaining that guys aren't serious, they just want sex or won't commit. I was reading an article just this morning online about a woman complaining about such of three different men she had dated online, one just wanted sex, the other two didn't want to commit to an LTR. Why? From what I have learned once a guy knows he can get one or a few half decent women up he then knows that he has something they find admirable so he can get many up. There are literally loads of guys out there that are very everyday but nothing special but women turn them down because if it, their not all that bad but most women out there only look at those guys that have something admirable but don't realise that those guys will 9 times out of 10 or more will use that thing they find admirable to hook many other women. They become like kids in a candy store and can't help themselves. The women though only think that those guys are acceptable to them but then can't seem to fathom why they won't commit lol. Most of the time the women themselves aren't all that but somehow seem to think they are due a better guy than they are as a woman themself.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 18, 2021, 08:39:45 AM
You seem to have enough problems in your own life.  Why do you spend so much time speculating on how others live theirs?
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2021, 09:38:04 AM
You seem to have enough problems in your own life.  Why do you spend so much time speculating on how others live theirs?

There are probably way more people in the UK with more problems and worse problems than mine. Even though my dating life hasn't been great and I have some stuff to work on in many ways to date I have lived a blessed life even though at times it's hasn't always been plain sailing.

I find that the way other people live their life and the problems they encounter can tell me a lot and can learn a lot from it. Not necessarily in one instance but with a collection of instances. It can tell a lot about why and how our lives are like they are and how society is effecting our lives. None of us exist in a bubble, even those that don't engage in society a lot, we are all effected by what others do, how society operates, etc. It's why many guys go out and date in the FSU as society operates in a different way out there. That dude who spotted me with model like Kherson girl in Cyprus had no idea that she was from Ukraine a different society. He judged the situation as a young lad by the western (UK) society he grown up in which told him he should be with a chick like that for being worked out instead of the overweight girl he had. It told me that I would have issues holding onto Kherson girl if she came to the UK and so to be wary.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 18, 2021, 09:44:02 AM
You haven't learned a thing in six years posting here, so I doubt your assertion.


I think this again demonstrates that you seem to have many issues which are seen among teens.  You haven't grown to maturity.  Most women will see that with time, and no matter who you choose, the result will be a net negative for you.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2021, 10:19:28 AM
You haven't learned a thing in six years posting here, so I doubt your assertion.


I think this again demonstrates that you seem to have many issues which are seen among teens.  You haven't grown to maturity.  Most women will see that with time, and no matter who you choose, the result will be a net negative for you.

I don't see how you gather that. The issues I have are common to many men. Many guys don't have gym bods, many guys look average everyday looking, many guys aren't great socially, etc, etc. It applies at any age, who do you think a girl is going to go for in the teens, twenties, thirties, forties, etc age groupings, is it going to be a guy who has a gym bod, dresses well, nice car, good in social situations and above average looks, handsome, or the guy who doesn't have a gym bod, average build, dresses ok but not that great, car is big standard hatchback, isn't that great in social situations and is everyday ok looking? Its going to be the same at whatever age but it will depend on what a woman thinks is available for her to get. If the girl is over weight and not all that attractive the second option is likely but the first guy she may even have the thought to hope for. If it's an everyday looking girl and in many ways the counterpart of the second guy in terms of traits she would almost always only want to go after the first guy. That is how society presently is in the west. If you're the guy it sucks, you either have to do better in some way which is often not an easy quick fix or you would already be doing it or you go for a person with worse character traits than you have, for many guys an overweight unattractive girl does not appeal, imagine waking up in the morning to a woman who has fat withering everywhere and is ugly looking. If it is the man who is like that then not many women will take that if any, possibly if he is very rich then maybe, but generally the guy is out of luck.

In general guys who fall short often through no fault of their own, i.e unattractive looking, ginger, bald, short, etc are told to improve by all and everyone if they complain. A girl isn't, she is told to wait on and there sure the right one will come along. No one is going to tell her to her face that she us overweight, unattractive looking and needs to pull her finger out and sort herself out. Online the odd dude might do that and often get hammered by others for his honesty, in real life if a dude said that stuff to a girl he had better start running fast such would be the outcry. Even in this forum members often follow the same values, look at me they tell me I need to improve and fast, so it is always the guy that is seen as needing to improve where the girl rarely gets told that she needs to work on anything just get herself out there more and it will all come. Interesting difference don't you think?
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 18, 2021, 10:40:03 AM
I know a lot of men who don't have "gym bodies" who do not lack female companionship.  I know shy men who are married.  But that's not what I am referring to.  The fact you defaulted to this is really the issue.  You are middle aged.  You are not young.  Why are you comparing yourself to anyone?  How is what people tell, or don't tell women to whom you have no attraction and won't date, relevant?  Haven't you figured out that all that matters in this equation is you?  No, obviously you haven't, and nothing I post is going to change that. 

You are being told here what to improve because you are constantly complaining about the lack of women.  But the improvements suggested are not to your physical form.  It's to your attitudes, your demeanour, and, likely, the essence of who you are - online, presenting as a psychologically damaged misogynist.

I suggest you seek counselling.  Without it, the chance of you finding a mate, particularly one from the FSU, is negligible.  You may be able to find someone short term to marry you, but I guarantee, if you are as presented here, she won't stick around.  That is far harsher than I wish it to sound, but I am not going to sugarcoat facts.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2021, 11:13:10 AM
I know a lot of men who don't have "gym bodies" who do not lack female companionship.  I know shy men who are married.  But that's not what I am referring to.  The fact you defaulted to this is really the issue.  You are middle aged.  You are not young.  Why are you comparing yourself to anyone?  How is what people tell, or don't tell women to whom you have no attraction and won't date, relevant?  Haven't you figured out that all that matters in this equation is you?  No, obviously you haven't, and nothing I post is going to change that. 

You are being told here what to improve because you are constantly complaining about the lack of women.  But the improvements suggested are not to your physical form.  It's to your attitudes, your demeanour, and, likely, the essence of who you are - online, presenting as a psychologically damaged misogynist.

I suggest you seek counselling.  Without it, the chance of you finding a mate, particularly one from the FSU, is negligible.  You may be able to find someone short term to marry you, but I guarantee, if you are as presented here, she won't stick around.  That is far harsher than I wish it to sound, but I am not going to sugarcoat facts.

My attitudes & demeanor, to be honest I don't reveal my attitudes to most people that I cone into contact with out side of family members. The UK is not the US which is known for people vocally making known and even imposing their opinions and attitudes on each other. Fir example I don't know where people at work stand on vaccination, I don't ask them and they don't ask me, they don't know where I stand if I have gotten vaccinated nor me knowing if they have. Same for Brexit it just wasn't discussed almost like an unwritten rule. Same goes for anything else, my attitudes to women and the workplace I keep to myself, my attitudes to women being overweight I keep to myself, etc, etc. When I meet a girl for dating I don't bring up that stuff or go into it, I keep it to myself and we discuss different topics but we never go into where we stand on stuff like that. When I was with Kherson girl I never discussed any of that, the only time I brought anything like that up was towards the end of the holiday in Cyprus there was this enormous woman on the beach who was struggling to keep stood up, the sand was shifting due to all of the weight. I only pointed it out though due to the noticeable scene it created but left it at that.

The point is that women don't know my attitudes and I keep my demeanor neutral to situations where I know my values may not be shared by all or go down well. I see that as the only polite and decent thing to do. It's come up before on this forum and as someone pointed out there are far worse people around that have got into a LTR who are way, way worse than many if my attitudes or thoughts as you seek to hold them to be.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Boethius on November 18, 2021, 11:21:29 AM
But you can't have true intimacy with a partner if they don't know you.  Even if you hide who you are, it comes out over time.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: ML on November 18, 2021, 11:47:27 AM
I know a lot of men who don't have "gym bodies" . . .

Hey . . . don't talk about me like this in public !!
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
But you can't have true intimacy with a partner if they don't know you.  Even if you hide who you are, it comes out over time.

That's true, it's probably more of my problem if anything. Though I think it's more typical for most English people to put stuff to the side and to not want to know. A few people are of course very vocal, i.e if they are part of a far right group. Many others may have sympathies for the far right, or whatever issue they agree with but will keep it largely hidden. For example someone may not be keen on illegal immigrants or a particular ethnic group but if at work will deal with them politely and not make it an issue. I get the impression in the US it can often be different that if anything people throw around their differences and personal opinions moreso in relationships, that it kind of adds to the interest and makes things more exciting. I guess English people go more in for harmony and would rather not know unless they happened to be minded likewise.

Some stuff will probably come out over time but usually I think most English people just avoid openly disagreeing so as to avoid falling outs, arguments and bad feeling. It's a difficult one on the one hand it can make things work on the other you're not exactly matched up with someone who thinks alike in attitude & values. That second one can be an issue as it can cut down on the amount of people who are suitable if you're looking for someone much like you are in outlook, though it does filter out the rest I guess. I think even in terms of holding back on stuff it can be relatively easy to guess who's attitude/values is something that would grate after a while. I for example would find it difficult to stomach a migrant hugger long term or someone who seems to bandwagon on the moral outcry of the moment, I don't have any time for that.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 18, 2021, 02:57:09 PM
The thing is on this topic is that I hear a lot of stuff about women complaining that guys aren't serious, they just want sex or won't commit. I was reading an article just this morning online about a woman complaining about such of three different men she had dated online, one just wanted sex, the other two didn't want to commit to an LTR. Why? From what I have learned once a guy knows he can get one or a few half decent women up he then knows that he has something they find admirable so he can get many up. There are literally loads of guys out there that are very everyday but nothing special but women turn them down because if it, their not all that bad but most women out there only look at those guys that have something admirable but don't realise that those guys will 9 times out of 10 or more will use that thing they find admirable to hook many other women. They become like kids in a candy store and can't help themselves. The women though only think that those guys are acceptable to them but then can't seem to fathom why they won't commit lol. Most of the time the women themselves aren't all that but somehow seem to think they are due a better guy than they are as a woman themself.
All I hear is you complaining about how hard done by you are, what with all the fat wh***sh gold digging women out there, just aching to get their hands on your ‘wealth’.
You are your own worst enemy and beyond redemption.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 18, 2021, 11:20:07 PM
That's true, it's probably more of my problem if anything. Though I think it's more typical for most English people to put stuff to the side and to not want to know. A few people are of course very vocal, i.e if they are part of a far right group. Many others may have sympathies for the far right, or whatever issue they agree with but will keep it largely hidden. For example someone may not be keen on illegal immigrants or a particular ethnic group but if at work will deal with them politely and not make it an issue. I get the impression in the US it can often be different that if anything people throw around their differences and personal opinions moreso in relationships, that it kind of adds to the interest and makes things more exciting. I guess English people go more in for harmony and would rather not know unless they happened to be minded likewise.

Some stuff will probably come out over time but usually I think most English people just avoid openly disagreeing so as to avoid falling outs, arguments and bad feeling. It's a difficult one on the one hand it can make things work on the other you're not exactly matched up with someone who thinks alike in attitude & values. That second one can be an issue as it can cut down on the amount of people who are suitable if you're looking for someone much like you are in outlook, though it does filter out the rest I guess. I think even in terms of holding back on stuff it can be relatively easy to guess who's attitude/values is something that would grate after a while. I for example would find it difficult to stomach a migrant hugger long term or someone who seems to bandwagon on the moral outcry of the moment, I don't have any time for that.
Good god, man. Any shrink reading this hodge podge is going to be rubbing his hands in glee.
You’ve got a real messed up psyche, Trench.
I suspect you feel unable to find an outlet for your ‘views’ on a variety of issues which are playing out in your mind.
It’s not healthy to suppress thoughts so, please, seek some help, get counselling so you can find expression for these warped views you hold.

For your own sanity and before you harm someone.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 20, 2021, 04:39:15 AM
I'll continue...

Here is an interesting story of recent:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/16691440/date-called-me-name-before-met-text-meant-mate/amp/

It kind of tells us how a lot of these guys on Tinder that women go for feel about the women. The girl in this article doesn't seem to get it that although he probably partly meant it as a laugh it was also the way he saw her and no doubt all the other girl he gets with. In refering to her as another c*nt in saying 'another' kind of means that he has been with other girls he sees as just c*nts also. That I would think is what a lot of girls on Tinder and the like don't get in going for the choice of guys that they do the guys just see them as c*nts to get off with. Those guys aren't all interested in them for any other reason least not a LTR. The girls on there just want to date up going for those gym bod guys etc and not date across going for guys like they are. Hence they always end up getting used as c*nts by these guys, complain that the guys just want sex but few seem to clue in how they are seen by them in getting with them.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 20, 2021, 05:50:05 AM
I'll continue...

Here is an interesting story of recent:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/16691440/date-called-me-name-before-met-text-meant-mate/amp/

It kind of tells us how a lot of these guys on Tinder that women go for feel about the women. The girl in this article doesn't seem to get it that although he probably partly meant it as a laugh it was also the way he saw her and no doubt all the other girl he gets with. In refering to her as another c*nt in saying 'another' kind of means that he has been with other girls he sees as just c*nts also. That I would think is what a lot of girls on Tinder and the like don't get in going for the choice of guys that they do the guys just see them as c*nts to get off with. Those guys aren't all interested in them for any other reason least not a LTR. The girls on there just want to date up going for those gym bod guys etc and not date across going for guys like they are. Hence they always end up getting used as c*nts by these guys, complain that the guys just want sex but few seem to clue in how they are seen by them in getting with them.
You have an unhealthy obsession with other guys on dating sites.
How about you focus on how you’re going to get yourself a date and stop the blame game.
If the situation was as you describe it, no one would be in LTRs or getting married.

As far as I can see, there seem to be plenty of couples getting hitched.
They seem to be getting through the dating maze. Why don’t you?

Title: Re: Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 20, 2021, 11:22:07 AM
You have an unhealthy obsession with other guys on dating sites.
How about you focus on how you’re going to get yourself a date and stop the blame game.
If the situation was as you describe it, no one would be in LTRs or getting married.

As far as I can see, there seem to be plenty of couples getting hitched.
They seem to be getting through the dating maze. Why don’t you?

You have an unhealthy obsession with other guys on dating forum sites ;D

I don't think there are nearly as many people getting married or in LTR's as there used to be. I'm merely letting the guys know the extent of the problem these days. It's not a problem specific to me many guys are coming across the same problem but yes I do need to get back to the dating game so will leave this thread at that and get back messaging on FSU dating sites I think, there is just not enough go in western dating sites.
Title: Re: Women
Post by: John Gaunt on November 20, 2021, 08:53:54 PM
You have an unhealthy obsession with other guys on dating forum sites ;D

How original of you.
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I don't think there are nearly as many people getting married or in LTR's as there used to be.

ONS records for 2017 show a slight decrease in marriages in England and Wales but it is  statistically small and doesn’t correspond to the generalisation you make. It could also indicate an uptake in people choosing co habitation rather than marriage.

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I'm merely letting the guys know the extent of the problem these days.
On every post you parrot the same stuff. That’s not you ‘merely letting the guys know’ nor is pretending to be a woman on Tinder to attract Male attention.
Who does stuff like that?
Not normal blokes.
That’s indicative of a more deep seated problem with you Trench.
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It's not a problem specific to me many guys are coming across the same problem

Again, attaching your own failures to this ‘problem’ is you attempting to diminish your deficiencies by labelling it as a common problem. It’s always easier to blame the other than tackle self inadequacy and failure.

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but yes I do need to get back to the dating game so will leave this thread at that and get back messaging on FSU dating sites I think, there is just not enough go in western dating sites.
Talk is cheap, as is sitting in your basement hunched over your keyboard drooling over the hot wimmin that inhabit your screen and fantasies.