The Russian Invasion of Ukraine-The Real Nazis

[calmissile]

The view of a former Russian foreign minister -


http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.cz/2014/09/window-on-eurasia-kremlin-demand-for.html

Boe, is this guy for real?  I don't recall every hearing his name.
I havn't heard anything this logical and reasonable coming out of the Kremlin in a long time.

[JayH]

Boe, is this guy for real?  I don't recall every hearing his name.
I havn't heard anything this logical and reasonable coming out of the Kremlin in a long time.

           Staunton, September 16 – Moscow’s demands for a voice in the definition of the policies of the Ukrainian state are “something unheard of in the contemporary world," Georgy Kunadze, who served as deputy foreign minister of the Russian Federation at the beginning of the Yeltsin period, says.

You are right Doug--about 20 years in fact!!

[JayH]

Ex-adviser to Putin: the war with Ukraine is ready for a long time, and it will be a long-term
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20.11.2014 | 19:32

Ex-adviser to the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, Andrei Illarionov said that Ukraine is ready to war with a minimum of 11 years, it will be durable and is part of the "fourth world" in order to change the world order.
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As UNIAN correspondent, this Illarionov, who is now a senior research fellow at the Cato Institute Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity (Washington), said in a speech at a conference held in Brussels.

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The expert believes that the events in Ukraine can not be called "no crisis in Ukraine, nor the Ukrainian crisis." "This is not a crisis, and war. It is a war in a very simple sense of the word, "- he said.

Raised the question of what kind this war, Illarionov himself on him said: "This - the Russian-Ukrainian war. To be more precise, it is a war against Putin's Ukraine. " "Most Russians do not support this war. The war Putin against Ukraine is already a long-term, "- says the expert.

Their opinion as to why this war is lasting, Illarionov began to explain that, in his opinion, it is ready, at least 11 years. " "Since 2003. I can say that in my presence, discussed some of the issues of the future war against Ukraine. At the time I did not think this discussion really lead to a real war, "- he said.

Further expert recalled 2004, when during the Orange Revolution was tested further training occupation and annexation of the Crimea in 2008, was published in "Russian Journal" leaked plan military command, "where you will see the project of war against Ukraine, described in detail" with 2009 - The message of the action in support of separatists in Ukraine.

"That's why this war was prepared for very long. Another thing is that this is - a long war that has lasted for more than 16 months, and was officially launched July 27, 2013 in a speech in Kiev Putin about the Baptism of Kievan Rus. There you will find a clear statement about the beginning of the hybrid campaign intervention - not war ", - he said.

Illarionov also believes that "unfortunately, this war will not end soon." "We see that Putin says what he does. We are dealing with a long-term war. But it is not only a war against Putin Ukraine ", - says the expert.

In this aspect, he remembered the problems with Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Transnistria, Kazakhstan. "Putin said that Kazakhstan has no history of statehood. This clearly means that the state, which has no historical statehood might lose her when Nazarbayev will not be around, "- said the expert, and pointing to events that in the past few weeks have occurred in Latgale - eastern Latvia, where Russian-speaking population.

"The intention (Putin) is the same as in the Crimea and eastern Ukraine - the same approach. This is - a challenge not only post-Soviet countries and the Republic, it is a challenge to the EU and NATO. And this challenge is no answer, "- said Illarionov.

Experts say that the purpose of such action is to "destroy the order that exists in Europe the last few decades."

Illarionov also pointed to two recent performances at Valdai and Putin in Sochi, "which are of great importance for any European policy." In this regard, he made a comparison of these statements with the letters of Adolf Hitler, who had been sent to British Prime Minister Chamberlain on 23 and 25 August 1939, in which Hitler had proposed to change the world order.

Experts argue that there are 25 common points between the letters and speeches of Putin, "written almost a carbon copy." "Almost word for word, sentence to sentence, idea to idea. Only a few months ago we talked about the idea of ​​Putin to restore the so-called "Russian world". It's already out of date. Who's ambitions are much higher. This proposal to change the world order of the international system, which has existed since the end of World War II. So now we are not dealing with regional issues such as the war against Putin, Ukraine or the war against its neighbors in the post-war or against the EU and NATO. This change just world order, "- said Illarionov.

According to him, Putin and the "propaganda machine it clearly said that it is the fourth world war." "If you listen to them, then it is understandable. They regard the Cold War as the third, and now say they are in the fourth world war to change the rules of the game, "- said the expert.

Illarionov remembered and two elements of such a confrontation. "This - the information war, or more correctly say, misinformation war in all languages, which creates a new vision of the world order. Unfortunately, we have to recognize that they have achieved some success, not only in Russia but also in other places, "- he said.

Another element of the ex-adviser called "nuclear blackmail." "This is the most dangerous. Any responsible politician in Europe or America will do everything possible to prevent a nuclear war happen. That is why the proposal contained in the speech of the Valdai-Sochi is very clear - you have to accept the new conditions of the world order, otherwise I'll be in danger of nuclear weapons. This challenge that the world still has no answer "- treats Putin's speech expert.

In this regard, Illarionov expressed the belief that the end of the war "will come when Russia will be free and democratic state." "While Russia will be under the dictatorship, risks and threats to peace will exist" - said Illarionov.


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Once again this writer has a very interesting perspective and insight.

[Brasscasing]

The Russians are learning that the lure of celebrity trumps secrecy in the modern world.

Strelkov tearing down Putin's big lie...

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

..."Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed "personal responsibility" for unleashing the conflict across the border, in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

"I was the one who pulled the firing trigger of this war," Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia's Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, in the end everything would have fizzled out, like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, also known as Girkin, was quoted as saying."...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-s-igor-strelkov-claims-responsibility-for-unleashing-war-in-ukraine/511584.html

Brass

[AC]

The Russians are learning that the lure of celebrity trumps secrecy in the modern world.

Sort of.  Next you know he dies in a car accident and Putin simply claims that the guy did it all on his own -- "I know nothing" (Schultz from Hogan's Hero's).

[JayH]

The Russians are learning that the lure of celebrity trumps secrecy in the modern world.

Strelkov tearing down Putin's big lie...

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

..."Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed "personal responsibility" for unleashing the conflict across the border, in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

"I was the one who pulled the firing trigger of this war," Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia's Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, in the end everything would have fizzled out, like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, also known as Girkin, was quoted as saying."...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-s-igor-strelkov-claims-responsibility-for-unleashing-war-in-ukraine/511584.html

Brass

Similar records on the Internet - a lot. Direct and indirect evidence have identified Russian and units, the soldiers of which are fighting in Ukraine: 17th motorized infantry brigade (Chechnya); The 18th Motorized Rifle Brigade (Chechnya); 22th brigade of special purpose (GRU Aksai); 137th and 51th Parachute Regiment (106th Airborne Division); 331st Airborne Regiment (98th Airborne Division); 76th Airborne Division (Pskov); I / 35690 (FSB Special Operations Center Russian "Sputnik"); units of the 106th Airborne Division (Ryazan); 9th Motorised Brigade (Nizhny Novgorod); 31th Airborne Assault Brigade (Ulyanovsk).
Facts and estimates of the number of victims of mercenaries, volunteers and soldiers of the regular army of the Russian Federation

On trucks with coffins, traveling to Russia from the Donbass, spoke in May. But first Photofacts appeared only in June. "Cargo 200" recorded on the Ukrainian-Russian border journalist Tatiana Turchenkova. She was able to identify several of those killed. One of them - Sergey Zhdanovich instructor Special Forces Center of FSB of Russia, retired.

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But then it was mostly about the volunteers and mercenaries who have enough to ignite the war in Ukraine. Russian border guards passed freely willing to fight. Volunteers were given everything you need, including weapons and armor. But in July, the number of terrorists in Ukraine was rapidly shrinking. Kremlin became clear that irregular forces are not able to keep the Ukrainian army, freeing nearly all the Donbass.
July 16 came the first evidence of the invasion of the Russian Armed Forces. From this point on in the Ukraine started a small colony of Russian armor to go with the shaded marks of distinction and without military insignia. In the war with Ukraine joined the regular Russian army.

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Ukrainian military weekly seize Russian military equipment, yesterday attributed to one or another of Russian military units. About how there is a replacement of so-called "militias" regular army of the Russian Federation, told troopers arrested - those who managed to survive in Ukraine and to be captured rather than burn with armor under fire from artillery and aircraft.
"Number 17, we started loading onto the train. Disembarked near Rostov. Shaded numbers painted white circles. We explained that we would be teaching. White circle - unlike others. When realized we were already in Ukraine - was terrible. The car blew up. I realized that this is not a drill, and it's not just march ", - said Ivan Romantcev, Corporal, 331st Airborne Regiment, 98th Guards Airborne Division Svir (Kostroma).
About these paratroopers Vladimir Putin said that they were in Ukraine "by chance". Corporal Romantcev believes that such propaganda in Russia "does not correspond to reality." "Ukraine is defending his land," - said the soldier, adding that does not believe in randomness, which Putin said: "Our whole squadron went to Ukraine. I believe that since it is impossible to get lost." In late August, Ivan and the other detainees were exchanged for Ukrainian military captured militants and troops of the Russian Federation. Ukrainian security officials later claimed that the convoy was talking about Romantcev, was attacked and almost completely broken by artillery fire. Rota in the Russian army - about 120 people.
A few of the Russian paratroopers were detained under Ilovaiskaya - where previously the Russian regular troops shot Ukrainian colonies that were, on "behalf" Putin allegedly skipped. When the column came out, together with her ​​shot and captured Russian soldiers. It is known that among the detainees was a squad commander Ruslan Akhmetov, a / h 73612, 31th Airborne Assault Brigade (Ulyanovsk). How many Russian soldiers were killed - only guess. Ukrainian soldiers who managed to escape from the boiler of the Russian Army, argue that the output covered tankers, destroyed about 50 Russian soldiers.

Another case of mass deaths of soldiers aggressor in Ukraine took place on August 13. The mother of one of the victims in Helena Tumanova interview with the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta said that the details of the death of his son Anton learned from his colleagues. Briefly, according to their description, the operation of the Russian army in the Ukraine looked like this: with two grenades on human and unprepared for combat equipment column of troops came to Ukraine came under the "Grad" in the area of snow - and a day later came back with huge losses - 120 dead 450 wounded.

Only on those three counts the number of dead Russian military is about 300 people.
Then reports of dead Russian paratroopers began to arrive one by one. September 1 Russian politician, the coordinator of the military opposition bloc, the founder of the "Georgia-200" Elena Vasilyeva reported that from Ukraine to Russia returned about 15 truckloads of corpses. "They piled on each other corpses of Russian soldiers. The number varies from different sources, from 800 to 1,000 people. Where are lucky - so far unknown. Many of the wounded in hospitals and clinics Yeisk," - she said.

According to the Ukrainian military expert Dmitry Tymchuk, a Russian military hospital in Rostov "no longer accepts wounded - packed to capacity." He noted that the hospital only works with the military personnel of the Russian Federation. "Russians carry their wounded to Peter, but already there is" no vacancies "- he says.

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[krimster2]

   The Cyborg’s Song

six little Chernobyl’s, sittin in a row
six little Chernobyl’s, just waitin to blow
oh zap-a-o-rosie, your winds travel far
enough to carry isotopes to the home of the czar

[mendeleyev]

As a wise Englishman once observed that figuring out Russia is quite a complicated task.

Igor Strelkov, or KGB/FSB Colonel Igor Girkin to be more accurate, is the ethnic Russian who pretended to be an ethnic Ukrainian rebel and he has a point about his starting the war in Ukraine. That is his job--starting conflicts on behalf of the Russian security services.

Strelkov/Girkin was a part of starting the conflict in Transnistria, the "frozen conflict" that still exists today.

Strelkov/Girkin was an operative for Russia in the Bosnian War.

Strelkov/Girkin played on the Russian team in the First Chechen War.

Strelkov/Girkin was sent back to the Caucasus by the FSB as an operative for Russia in the Second Chechen War.

Strelkov/Girkin was in early and knee-deep in Crimea during the invasion and annexation of the former/longstanding Greek and then Turkish/Ottoman territory briefly occupied by Russia between 1783 to 1954, and then given to Ukraine. While in Crimea he led in the overthrow of the locally elected Russian dominated local government and democratically elected Parliament in favour of a non-elected appointed government and new non-elected parliament that suddenly expressed an itching sensation requiring the native Tatars to again suffer under the Russian flag.

Strelkov/Girkin was then sent to Donbass to to stir things up in Eastern Ukraine. He appointed himself as the "Defense Minister" and pretended to be an ethnic Ukrainian until "outed" on his Russian nationality.

Strelkov/Girkin was eventually recalled to Moscow and given the position of setting up a new semi-secretive shadow organization charged with protecting the Kremlin from any so-called "Colour Revolutions."

Now he has come out in Russian media, a tightly controlled media, to claim some fame for his deeds. http://www.unian.info/politics/1011888-girkin-says-he-and-his-special-ops-team-started-conflict-in-donbas.html

As to whether he has turned against Putin, and is telling his side of the story out of a desire for revenge or fame, is up for speculation. Perhaps the play is a misdirection, and there is more to the story than meets the eye. Until more is known, I'm hanging out with Winston Churchill, thinking that even in the case of Igor Strelkov/Girkin, "Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."

 

[AC]

This Strelkov character must have 9 lives.  How he's managed to be in so many different wars without being killed or at least get a leg blown off is amazing.

As to what he's up to now I'm sure it's been planned and agreed upon that he would do this, so that Putin can claim that Strelkov did it without official Kremlin blessing.

[AkMike]

Yanukovych’s embezzler is now a citizen of Israel

2014/11/20 • News
One of the most wanted associates of Viktor Yanukovych, the former energy minister Eduard Stavytskyi, has taken Israeli citizenship and changed his name to Rosenberg, reports journalist and newly elected deputy Serhiy Leshchenko on his blog, November 20.

“According to my sources, Stavytskyi is now Eduard Rosenberg,” Leshchenko writes. Stavytskyi’s wife, Olena, is now Helena Rosenberg.

According to Leshchenko, it was Stavytsky who in 2007 implemented the scheme to steal Mezhyhiria (Yanukovych’s palatial residence near Kyiv — Ed.) and who planted in Yanukovych’s mind the “complex of impunity and unlimited wealth.”

Stavytskyi reached his career heights after the election of Yanukovych when he became minister of the environment and then minister of energy. During the Yanukovych era he obtained some two dozen permits for the development and subsequent extraction of oil and gas for his firm Golden Derrick LLC (for at least 28 fields in Ukraine ! — Ed.)

“When Yanukovych’s regime fell, Stavytskyi tried to negotiate. He began to relate on television how he was an underground partisan-patriot,” Leshchenko says. However, the ex-minister still had to leave the country due to his status as a suspect in the matter of the “misappropriation and embezzlement of an especially large sum of government property through abuse of power.”


A search conducted at the Stavytskyi residence after he fled the country uncovered a collection of watches, some of which cost more than $600,000, diamonds, 42 kilograms of gold, and $5 million in cash. He was placed on the Interpol international most wanted list, but reports appeared this summer that he had received Israeli citizenship, which placed him out of reach of Ukrainian justice since Israel does not extradite its citizens.

watches 300x225 Yanukovychs embezzler is now a citizen of Israel“Therefore, Stavytskyi has escaped unscathed; he was free to live in his new country and the only limitation was the fact that he could not travel abroad since the Ukrainian arrest warrant was in effect there. However. things are even worse that they appeared. Stavytskyi has bought not only freedom but a new life. He is now Eduard Rosenberg,” Leschenko writes.

“Thus a citizen of Ukraine, whose arrest had been authorized worldwide, has transformed himself into a respectable citizen of Israel. With a passport under the name of Eduard Rosenberg, he can travel freely around the globe since he is no longer wanted. That is easy to verify on the Interpol site,” he adds.

According to Leschenko, “the Stavytskyis are now registered in Israel, at Hahoresh, 101, Kfar Shmaryahu — a respectable suburb of Tel Aviv near the sea coast, consisting mostly of villas.” He encourages readers who live in Tel Aviv to locate and photograph the property.

Meanwhile, Leschenko insists that he and his colleagues will appeal to the Prosecutor General to place Stavytskyi on the Interpol wanted list under his new name. “If we are unable to extract him from Israel, at least we should deprive him of the chance to move freely around the world and to enjoy the wealth he has looted from Ukraine,” he concludes.

Adapted and translated from Leshchenko’s blog.


http://euromaidanpress.com/201...a-citizen-of-israel/

[Boethius]

How Russia parted easily with the "Novorossiya" leaders -


http://www.interpretermag.com/managed-spring-how-moscow-parted-easily-with-the-novorossiya-leaders/

[Boethius]

Putin's real strategy -


http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-supports-ukraines-territorial-integrity-as-a-rope-supports-a-hanging-man/


http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-wants-a-new-munich-on-ukraine-but-may-not-get-it-butakov-says/

[Muzh]

Boe, you got ahead of me. 


Edit: The second article talks about FTs win-win scenario.

[Boethius]

 
Here is another piece on "Novorossiya" -

The negative view of Ukrainian nationalism is similarly typical for most residents in the Donbas, and “Novorossiya” – South-Eastern Ukraine. The Kremlin ideologists primitively explain this as a result of
predominating Russian-speaking or ethnically Russian population there.

In fact, all Ukrainian censuses demonstrate that this is not true. The language is not an issue as proven by many Russian-speaking patriots from South-Eastern Ukraine fighting in the Donbas today.

Imperial ideologists blatantly lie, when they claim that the Donbas mentality today is supposedly evidence of the fact that “Novorossiya” is a historical “essentially Russian province”.

http://ukrainianweek.com/Society/125334

[fathertime]

Edit: The second article talks about FTs win-win scenario.

Yes, thanks for the link...I couldn't believe I saw somebody else use those words 'win-win' in this crisis...I feel like I should be rewarded for a patent plagiarism! 


Now if the west plays it's role properly that will be the end result. 


Fathertime!   

[southernX]

Yes, thanks for the link...I couldn't believe I saw somebody else use those words 'win-win' in this crisis...I feel like I should be rewarded for a patent plagiarism! 

FT, your  ''reward ''should be a bar of soap to wash you mouth out with imo
people are dying while you  make such flippant comments

SX

[fathertime]

FT, your  ''reward ''should be a bar of soap to wash you mouth out with imo
people are dying while you  make such flippant comments

SX

You are selectively offended.   You only hypocritically approve of 'flippant' comments if they agree with your politics.   So far that was the first linked article that used my "win-win' phrase and discussed a possible solution I proposed early on. 

Fathertime!

[Boethius]

It also rejected that "solution".

[fathertime]

It also rejected that "solution".

For now nothing has been resolved....for now....but eventually there will be a resolution, and I have always felt the final resolution will be something along the lines of what that article you linked spoke of....


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

The point is, though, that such a scenario won't be a solution.  I tend to agree.


Russia doesn't want the Donbas, and it is not in Ukraine's interests to allow it to remain part of Ukraine, yet autonomously controlled.

[AC]

You are selectively offended.   You only hypocritically approve of 'flippant' comments if they agree with your politics.   So far that was the first linked article that used my "win-win' phrase and discussed a possible solution I proposed early on. 

Fathertime!

Following your logic it would be win/win if someday Mexico invades the USA and attempts to take large swaths of territory.  And if we ever have another "President" as weak as Obama it will happen.

[AC]

Is the Russian invasion of Ukraine a Russian version of "Lebensraum"?  This writer thinks so, and he draws other parallels between Putin's Russia and Hitler's Germany.

excerpt
"But besides these parallels, there are some very important differences, Eidman writes. The FSB-Gestapo “in general seeks not enemies of the Reich but rather is a racket” which is seeking to pocket as much in corrupt cash as it can. And the Defense Ministry-Wehrmacht is prepared to sell off military equipment and cash in as well.

Moreover, he continues, “Every one of our ‘Reich ministers’ or SS Gruppenführers-FSB officers has a house in London or a villa in Cannes. And the ‘Gauleiters’ (governors) in general have ceased thinking about the interests of the Reich.”

“And where is ‘the Führer’s concern about Germans’ (that is, Russians)? Where are the new autobahns, ‘strength through joy,’ inexpensive housing and cruises for workers?” None of that is present because “all our successes are in the sphere of propaganda” rather than reality. In that, Putin’s Russia has left Goebbels’ Germany in the dust.

But underneath those differences there are fundamental commonalities, Eidman says. “The main thing is this: Our Reich also wants to take revenge for defeat in war, in this case in the Cold War.” It too wants “Lebensraum” and is “successfully” pursuing that idea via the Russian world idea."


http://www.interpretermag.com/ever-more-putin-associates-bear-a-resemblance-to-nazi-ones-eidman-says/

[fathertime]

Following your logic it would be win/win if someday Mexico invades the USA and attempts to take large swaths of territory.  And if we ever have another "President" as weak as Obama it will happen.

I reject your comparison as silly. 


You are using the win/win comment in regards to something that hasn't happened as Mexico has not invaded the US nor will they...and if they did, it would entail an entirely different set of variables...for the situation at hand in Ukraine, I hold the win/win in the linked article could be a resolution to the current conflict....and the world moves on. 


Fathertime!     

[southernX]

You are selectively offended.   You only hypocritically approve of 'flippant' comments if they agree with your politics.   So far that was the first linked article that used my "win-win' phrase and discussed a possible solution I proposed early on. 

Fathertime!

FT, PLEASE show me where iv hypocritically ''approved of others flippant comments ??

russias agrression and invasion/support of these insurgent/ terrorists is causing destruction and death , its affecting millions of people , while you echo  neville chamberlin  with your win win twaddle

SX

[fathertime]

FT, PLEASE show me where iv hypocritically ''approved of others flippant comments ??

russias agrression and invasion/support of these insurgent/ terrorists is causing destruction and death , its affecting millions of people , while you echo  neville chamberlin  with your win win twaddle

SX

By only trying to call out certain comments (strictly because you disagree with the political position behind it) you have tacitly approved of the others...whether you like it or not. 


quickly comparing the current situation to Neville Chamberlin is just a non-thinking shortcut and twaddle.   


I'm starting to believe that you will be very disappointed if this situation is resolved in such a way.


Fathertime!