Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: MonarchXYZ on September 25, 2016, 06:00:44 AM
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The dating agencies are mostly scams and I am very fluent in Russian. Should I just avoid digital media altogether? If I do, then what are other alternatives for meeting women in Ukraine - clubs? bars? cafes? shopping malls? I heard some men just approach women on the street. I am not by any means a sex tourist - I seek only a serious relationship. Some say being fluent in Russian is a disadvantage because it will prevent exposure to those specifically seeking western men and may create a perception of being local. What would you advice?
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Think there are certainly what some refer to as an 'English Groupie' crowd over there and your English will be an asset here. From my recent experiences over there girls that are fluent (or near as) English speakers will warm to you well if you are an English speaker usually. This is not to say there is chemistry, this still needs to be found but the girl will be well predisposed towards you.
Girls that can just speak Russian/Ukrainian I know less about since my Russian is poor, a few will warm after a while but most will be a significant barrier. If you know the language well but live abroad then your chances are likely better and will give you the opportunity to scout out any you may chime with. Apparently, many girls would prefer a guy that is Russian/speaks Russian but many are too poor to offer a future other than abject poverty and hence misery (Ukraine has a lot of poverty).
If I were you I would look to go out there for a month or more, rent an apartment and engross yourself in a lifestyle over there that suits your hobbies, interests, etc, Anything that bring you into contact with girls. That is what I intend to do in a few months time. If you are fluent in Russian this will help you out a lot for an extended stay - you are after all coming from the US so more costly time & money wise.
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If you want to set up meetings beforehand, I suggest Badoo or Mamba.ru (pay for VIP service). Then just set up coffee dates.
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Think there are certainly what some refer to as an 'English Groupie' crowd over there and your English will be an asset here. From my recent experiences over there girls that are fluent (or near as) English speakers will warm to you well if you are an English speaker usually. This is not to say there is chemistry, this still needs to be found but the girl will be well predisposed towards you.
Girls that can just speak Russian/Ukrainian I know less about since my Russian is poor, a few will warm after a while but most will be a significant barrier. If you know the language well but live abroad then your chances are likely better and will give you the opportunity to scout out any you may chime with. Apparently, many girls would prefer a guy that is Russian/speaks Russian but many are too poor to offer a future other than abject poverty and hence misery (Ukraine has a lot of poverty).
If I were you I would look to go out there for a month or more, rent an apartment and engross yourself in a lifestyle over there that suits your hobbies, interests, etc, Anything that bring you into contact with girls. That is what I intend to do in a few months time. If you are fluent in Russian this will help you out a lot for an extended stay - you are after all coming from the US so more costly time & money wise.
Thank you for advice. It would be awkward as soon as they would ask me for my name, which is very Russian/Ukrainian, because I spent first 12 years of my life there... I am neither local nor exactly a foreigner... Not sure whether its a good thing or not.
I have relatives there, some who may introduce me to some women, but I don't want to be limited just to that. I also know that the English groupie is more than likely to consist of gold diggers, while the Russian-only speaking ladies are less likely to want to move from Ukraine to USA.
Too bad my job can only provide a 1 or 2-week vacation and that's with sick days combined, etc.
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The dating agencies are mostly scams and I am very fluent in Russian. Should I just avoid digital media altogether? If I do, then what are other alternatives for meeting women in Ukraine - clubs? bars? cafes? shopping malls? I heard some men just approach women on the street.
Welcome to the forum MonarchXYZ. I wouldn't meet women at bars. Does anybody know a couple that met at a bar and is celebrating over 20 years of marriage? Meeting women in the FSU at cafes, stores, or even on the street is good for a backup plan if one you're visiting doesn't work out. Chances are most women you meet in public will not be looking to move to another country although they'd be interested in dating a foreigner at least once.
Here's what I did. I dated as many women at home but still wrote women overseas. Even if you don't get married, at least you'd still be very happy as a single man. When I found a woman overseas that I felt was a winner and she was into me, only then I'd visit her. Most of the time the meeting will reveal flaws or lack of chemistry so that is why the backup plan is necessary. A lot of men try to force a relationship with a woman with flaws or nothing there. Don't be one of those men. There is no shortcut to getting this done the first time. Expect to do a lot of dating to find the right woman especially if you decide to meet random women you know nothing about in cafes or on the street.
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Too bad my job can only provide a 1 or 2-week vacation and that's with sick days combined, etc.
This really isn't for you.
It takes a lot of trips back and forth to meet the gals, and keep contact going.
That is one reason why many of the guys here are older, probably have 4 weeks or more of vacation each year, run their own businesses, are somewhat wealthy, are retired, etc.
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The dating agencies are mostly scams and I am very fluent in Russian. Should I just avoid digital media altogether? If I do, then what are other alternatives for meeting women in Ukraine - clubs? bars? cafes? shopping malls? I heard some men just approach women on the street.
I would try to meet someone on one of the social media platforms. Would seem the best route before a trip over in your case. Meeting a woman on the street seemed a but tricky for me while I was visiting as most go about their own business, but maybe your language asset will make it easier. Depends on your personality I would think.
If I were you I would look to go out there for a month or more, rent an apartment and engross yourself in a lifestyle over there that suits your hobbies, interests, etc, Anything that bring you into contact with girls.
I would suggest the same, but your limited time off does not allow it....
Thank you for advice. It would be awkward as soon as they would ask me for my name, which is very Russian/Ukrainian, because I spent first 12 years of my life there... I am neither local nor exactly a foreigner... Not sure whether its a good thing or not.
I would think this is the best of both worlds and can only work in your favor.
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This really isn't for you.
It takes a lot of trips back and forth to meet the gals, and keep contact going.
That is one reason why many of the guys here are older, probably have 4 weeks or more of vacation each year, run their own businesses, are somewhat wealthy, are retired, etc.
Took my step-dad a week after meeting up with my mom one time, same for my sister, same for a friend from Romania who went back for 2 weeks. You are killing me hope. I could go there once a year every year. I'm a successful guy and cost is not a problem (especially since I don't have to pay for living in my own place), but time is...
FYI, the only reason women there select older men is because older men are more financially stable and responsible, but some of us got excellent jobs right after college at the age of 22.
I know I would NEVER marry a western woman and only marry one born and raised in Ukraine. I mean I could move to Brooklyn to find one too, but one way or another I need to go back to see my loved ones. You suggest I should not even try? Scared I will ruin it for your friends?
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Took my step-dad a week after meeting up with my mom one time, same for my sister, same for a friend from Romania who went back for 2 weeks. You are killing me hope. I could go there once a year every year. I'm a successful guy and cost is not a problem (especially since I don't have to pay for living in my own place), but time is...
FYI, the only reason women there select older men is because older men are more financially stable and responsible, but some of us got excellent jobs right after college at the age of 22.
I know I would NEVER marry a western woman and only marry one born and raised in Ukraine. I mean I could move to Brooklyn to find one too, but one way or another I need to go back to see my loved ones. You suggest I should not even try? Scared I will ruin it for your friends?
It might be that since you have native Russian speaking ability it won't take you as long as it takes those that are not fluent.
Even so, you should be aware of the delays you will run into once you do make your decision; the nutty bureaucracy of the USA' visa issuance system might cause frustration or even problems. Being able to see your fiance in person in between the decision and when she arrives in USA (which could be months) might be a good idea.
Since you live in the USA but speak Russian and know many Ukr/Russian people, I would invite your comments on the thread "The real reason why we stopped dating AW" at http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21167.0 Your perspective would be read - since you have seen things from both sides, as it were.
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The dating agencies are mostly scams and I am very fluent in Russian. Should I just avoid digital media altogether? If I do, then what are other alternatives for meeting women in Ukraine - clubs? bars? cafes? shopping malls? I heard some men just approach women on the street. I am not by any means a sex tourist - I seek only a serious relationship. Some say being fluent in Russian is a disadvantage because it will prevent exposure to those specifically seeking western men and may create a perception of being local. What would you advice?
The marriage agencies are one thing but you should think of social networking and dating
and electronic sites as force multipliers or as a tool to expand your reach.
I don't know your age, but do you really think that looking in bars is the best place to
find the best prospects for marriage? it's been my experience that's the best place to
find bar flies.
Back when I was in my twenties I would find women in laundry mats, the DMV,
super markets, the ski slopes and sporting events. Occasionally I would bring home
a bar fly who smelled like an ashtray but the best girls were found elsewhere.
That's my opinion at least.
Udachi!
Bill
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I know I would NEVER marry a western woman and only marry one born and raised in Ukraine. I mean I could move to Brooklyn to find one too, but one way or another I need to go back to see my loved ones.
Lots of Ukrainian women living in America. Go to Mamba.ru and search for them. You don't have to move to Brooklyn. You can fly women to your city if you're not finding enough in your city.
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Lots of Ukrainian women living in America. Go to Mamba.ru and search for them. You don't have to move to Brooklyn. You can fly women to your city if you're not finding enough in your city.
I've encountered several in America and most were raised in the United States, but born in Ukraine, which made them very much non-Ukrainian as far as personalities were and did not appreciate USA much. Some could not even speak Russian and considered themselves Russian/Ukrainian. The chances of finding one in America (especially close-by) are lower than finding one in Ukraine IMO.
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Took my step-dad a week after meeting up with my mom one time, same for my sister, same for a friend from Romania who went back for 2 weeks. You are killing me hope. I could go there once a year every year. I'm a successful guy and cost is not a problem (especially since I don't have to pay for living in my own place), but time is...
FYI, the only reason women there select older men is because older men are more financially stable and responsible, but some of us got excellent jobs right after college at the age of 22.
I know I would NEVER marry a western woman and only marry one born and raised in Ukraine. I mean I could move to Brooklyn to find one too, but one way or another I need to go back to see my loved ones. You suggest I should not even try? Scared I will ruin it for your friends?
Well ML can seem like he's knocking your ideas sometimes but I think he is often a good realist. Realistically from what I have seen & learned so far you are probably more realistically going to find someone on a four week visit than four one week visits split up. Plus you won't be paying for plane fares each time, not a worry for you but for others it can become a pricey endevour.
The thing I think is is that although you can meet as your examples suggest someone in a limited period of time you just don't know when this limited period of time may be - your one week could easily miss it or find a girl the day or two before you fly off. How long have you then got for relationship to blossom? None really, back to internet messing with her and then it may never materialize.
Some people indeed luck out but for many, probably most its a lengthier journey where resources & effort need to be put in to hope to stand a realistic chance, that is what I have gathered. I had the same idea as you when I started out on this journey back last Christmas time, meet a girl for a week, which I did, and hey all good to go. There was not the chemistry there and my idea of meeting someone in a week and then be headed towards marriage was unrealistic. Even the idea of knowing a girl much at all to be thinking of a relationship in this direction after a week was unrealistic - a few do within a week but for many its unrealistic. I f you think about it seriously saying you will meet with a girl for a week in another country you have never met before then be hooked up heading for marriage is laughable. You will be a stranger to her and to her country (presumably) many men are. There is also the problem that you will not meet regularly.
If you were to go there for four weeks then you would have plenty of time to see a girl often and meet many women, with a week things are much tighter that you are either potentially sacrificing a nice holiday or doing it all pressurized. I think 2tallbill here took 9 years before his wife came up, which from what I recall came into contact on Mamba, if my memory serves me correct 2tallbill. We all hope to do it quicker but who's to say.
On the PUA, we can all try but some are just gifted at it, naturals, others like myself not so, so ask yourself realistically are you that type of person?
I'm looking to go down to working part time in a few months time, 2 days a week, this makes it possible for me to pursue other opportunities during the week and importantly be able to take a month off work since four days are easier for my employer to cover my work than 4 five day weeks. Tax wise I will be paying a lot less tax on my wages, virtually none so I don't do too badly income wise either. I would suggest you look at what you can do to try to get a month of work if you are serious about trying to make this endevour work.
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Working for a US company with US salary (or even a 3rd of it!) in Ukraine would the perfect option, but its near damn impossible to find jobs there. Aside from that, the only thing I can do is just go and see what happen, but I need to go one way or another. I did get on Mamba.ru and Badoo. At least I can network with people and something can come of it. Another possible option is to start looking for a different job that doesn't start for a month or more, but that's a long-shot and risky.
Can Ukrainians get the 6-month visitor Visa to the US? If not, then how long can they stay? I know even before deciding on marriage, some women come to US just to visit and if the visit is long enough - everything is possible, but you're right - there's no reason to rush things or be desperate. Its a long-term goal for me anyway.
I can tell you one thing - knowing Russian/Ukrainian and understanding the culture builds chemistry a lot quicker. For me, English is kind of a robotic language that doesn't invoke much emotion even if I'm told words like "I love you!". The same words in Russian would make me feel at least something.
EDIT: Just found out there is a 5-day carry-over per year in my company and with sick days, the total is 20 days + 2-years worth of carry over = 30 days. SWEET! :clapping: .
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I met my wife and dated her long distance for quite some time (almost 2 years or so) with only 1 paid week off a year. We met every 2-3 months. I would fly out just to see her for 2-3 days if I could.
This is where you need to get creative. Use a personal day right before the holidays. Knock out work before deadlines, and speak to your employer about a day off here or there. Beg, barter, and steal those days any way possible.
EDIT: Just found out there is a 5-day carry-over per year in my company and with sick days, the total is 20 days + 2-years worth of carry over = 30 days.
Split those up and use them before 3 day weekends or holidays and you have even more time. Golden.
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EDIT: Just found out there is a 5-day carry-over per year in my company and with sick days, the total is 20 days + 2-years worth of carry over = 30 days. SWEET! :clapping: .
There's your answer ;D
No I wouldn't recommend going to work in the Ukraine if it would leave you without income from your home country. If you have decent/livable income coming in through investments then its a different matter. Chucking your job in and getting a poorly paid job in the Ukraine could well count against you I would have thought.
When you go out there for the month, go well organised with a plan, a series of plans so if one doesn't work out you have others to work from, but plans that stand a realistic chance of bringing you closer to where women are. I wouldn't just take the months out on the back of a few contacts from online dating sites. Prepare well to make the trip worthwhile.
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I'm looking to go down to working part time in a few months time, 2 days a week, this makes it possible for me to pursue other opportunities during the week and importantly be able to take a month off work since four days are easier for my employer to cover my work than 4 five day weeks. Tax wise I will be paying a lot less tax on my wages, virtually none so I don't do too badly income wise either.
In USA, you have to show some minimum level of income, that varies according to size of household, to be able to bring a foreign person into USA.
Probably something similar exists in your country.
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This really isn't for you.
It takes a lot of trips back and forth to meet the gals, and keep contact going.
That is one reason why many of the guys here are older, probably have 4 weeks or more of vacation each year, run their own businesses, are somewhat wealthy, are retired, etc.
I am not wealthy... under 30k
But I do work for a family business and Speak very bad Russian
My advice is to try to make some online friends.. on Vk based on common interests..
Trips can be very inexpensive,, if you search around...
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I am not wealthy... under 30k
But I do work for a family business and Speak very bad Russian
My advice is to try to make some online friends.. on Vk based on common interests..
Trips can be very inexpensive,, if you search around...
In my opinion, you can do this on a shoe string if you have time to visit and spend
extra time boots on the ground.
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I don't know how you can support a family making 30K a year. Does she know that? They aren't stupid women. I'd say 50K in suburbia is the minimum to live more or less comfy, and 70K in big cities.
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I don't know how you can support a family making 30K a year. Does she know that? They aren't stupid women. I'd say 50K in suburbia is the minimum to live more or less comfy, and 70K in big cities.
Most of them know nothing about the level of income needed to live well in USA.
And how could they, and why should they?
Our way of life and financial alternatives are very foreign to these gals.
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Leading them on thinking you can least support them and barely being able to do so is so wrong...
BTW Mamba.ru sucks. The site goes down, the app malfunctions, I am unable to delete my main photo or even change it and cannot delete my account either. What a joke. I bet if I sign up for VIP I will suddenly be able to do all that...typical Russian BS. Also the quality of women is sub-par.
Girls also tend not to reply unless you are close-by.
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BTW Mamba.ru sucks.
Girls also tend not to reply unless you are close-by.
Most men and women there are looking for locals. You have to send out a lot of messages to get a few bites if you're using it to find love overseas. It is better to use Mamba as a backup plan in the town you're in if the primary plan goes south than as an international dating site.
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Do our women, who I am supposed to know better than anyone here, prefer good-looking men? I recall looking good = lazy and no good job. It's not like that in US in my experience and one's looks and body fitness are valued here, but not sure about Ukraine.
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Do our women, who I am supposed to know better than anyone here, prefer good-looking men? I recall looking good = lazy and no good job. It's not like that in US in my experience and one's looks and body fitness are valued here, but not sure about Ukraine.
FSU women like good looking men but good looks can't support a family. They value other things more such as your biggest sex organ, the brain.
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That all depends on your ability or acumen with women in general and more specifically women at home. Do you have any game, can you walk up to a woman on the street and engage her with some interesting conversation and can you accept rejection without it bombing your ego. If the answer to those questions is yes then don't need any help from any one.
Single women are in droves and every where. I've been married now almost 8 years and made many visits and still totally astounded at all of the available women everywhere I go in Russia. My first visit to the FSU was to meet the woman who is now my wife. After our initial meeting she went home and I was still in St Petersburg for several days afterward. I couldn't speak the language but I had no problem meeting women on the fly. I discovered that stoic look most have melts completely away once approached.
If you speak the language, comfortable in your skin and can keep women interested you don't need anyone's help in the cities of the FSU, IMHO
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No shit, but tall good looking men with brains get paid more, on average.
I was spoiled by American women big-time. First day of school (2nd day in America), a ton of hot girls approaching me with:
"Where are you from? How do you say your last name? Are all boys in Ukraine cute like you? You have pretty eyes. I like your shirt. I love your accent. Do you have a GF? Do you think we're ugly? Do you want to go out? What bus do I take to go to Ukraine?"
Same thing in college and now at work... I was approached by way more women than I approached myself and was rejected 3-4 times tops. I do not think this will work in my favor in Ukraine, not with our women. What will work is the fact that I will be VERY excited, exceedingly happy, and enthusiastic about being there (my true home after all!). My life's best and happiest memories are all from Ukraine. When I am in that kind of mood, I am a chatty magnet, somewhat aloof, and magic happens every time. From what I remember people there are cynical, generally slightly depressed, and do not smile as much. That's why American optimism and smile shines there, a trait I picked up myself in US.
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Most of them know nothing about the level of income needed to live well in USA.
And how could they, and why should they?
Our way of life and financial alternatives are very foreign to these gals.
Update: financials are not foreign to them anymore. I know a few guys in US interested in and chatting with FSU women. After disclosing how much they made ($60-80K) those women cut off all communication with them.
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Do our women, who I am supposed to know better than anyone here, prefer good-looking men? I recall looking good = lazy and no good job. It's not like that in US in my experience and one's looks and body fitness are valued here, but not sure about Ukraine.
From what I remember people there are cynical, generally slightly depressed, and do not smile as much. That's why American optimism and smile shines there, a trait I picked up myself in US.
Generally true observations from what I have seen, but it is changing. Looks and fitness are much more important over there now and the younger generation is more smiles than the one before it.
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No shit, but tall good looking men with brains get paid more, on average.
I was spoiled by American women big-time. First day of school (2nd day in America), a ton of hot girls approaching me with:
"Where are you from? How do you say your last name? Are all boys in Ukraine cute like you? You have pretty eyes. I like your shirt. I love your accent. Do you have a GF? Do you think we're ugly? Do you want to go out? What bus do I take to go to Ukraine?"
Same thing in college and now at work... I was approached by way more women than I approached myself and was rejected 3-4 times tops.
I never got any of this sort of attention in the UK (I'm UK born/resident), I've had a few girls eye me up but they were always notorious to approach/talk to/open up. I've never really had girls chase after me like this, particularly all at once, so you are very lucky. I think though that UK girls can be very difficult, particularly where I'm from in south of England - they have a bit of a reputation for being as cold as ice. That and many of the prettier ones, even the not so pretty ones already have boyfriends so you never really know how interested they are in you or whether they just want a queue of guys as a fallback or something.
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Update: financials are not foreign to them anymore. I know a few guys in US interested in and chatting with FSU women. After disclosing how much they made ($60-80K) those women cut off all communication with them.
I would have thought that is a decent amount of income, from a quick uk conversion rate. For the UK it would be anyway. Sure you can earn more, did they want millionaires or something? I'm assuming that they cut off communication because they though it not enough? In which case sounds to me that they were ridiculous out & out gold diggers not worth spending the time on, better for the guys that they went on their way I would say.
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Update: financials are not foreign to them anymore. I know a few guys in US interested in and chatting with FSU women. After disclosing how much they made ($60-80K) those women cut off all communication with them.
Lesson 1: Don't be surprised if you attract gold diggers if you use money as bait.
Lesson 2: There is no reason to have a conversation on income before meeting in
person.
Lesson 3: Always be the one driving the bus.
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Lesson 1: Don't be surprised if you attract gold diggers if you use money as bait.
Lesson 2: There is no reason to have a conversation on income before meeting in
person.
Lesson 3: Always be the one driving the bus.
+1
Why men are enough stupids to display their incomes, assets, photos of their houses, cars, tattoos, torso, biceps, penis?
Good thing : they have avoided high maintenance girls or green carders or gold diggers
FSU women don't have any clue about what is the financial life in the west.
So definitively if they walk away the day of men paid 60/80k it just means that they were money sluts suckers.
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Yeah, but most good looking women there are gold diggers and they tend to be found down-town. When your citizenship and wallet are more important than your personality and appearance, you are with a gold digger. That is why so many want to marry a western man - gold digging and citizenship. They are willing to give up local men they actually love to make sure their children have better lives in the West.
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Yeah, but most good looking women there are gold diggers and they tend to be found down-town. When your citizenship and wallet are more important than your personality and appearance, you are with a gold digger. That is why so many want to marry a western man - gold digging and citizenship. They are willing to give up local men they actually love to make sure their children have better lives in the West.
You can find those kind of women any place. You really do not need to go to the FSU for those. There was an old clique used on the forum years ago that would pertain to you and this statement here "the fish you catch is directly related to the bait you use". Give that some thought.
If you think you can use your passport, flash your money and pick out a woman like you pick out a puppy, think again. You'll likely catch one of those women you fear and she will eat your ass.
Is that the approach to dating you do at home? You wow women with your money/cars/home/status? There are plenty of wonderful women in the FSU who want nothing more than to meet a good man for marriage and lifelong commitment. The problem is, so many of the men that go looking for them are not "good men for marriage". Does that make any sense to you?
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Er no, I never flash money or status or whatever possessions. What I am saying is that most of those hotties will immediately think money when they find out you are a foreigner and will attempt to suck your wallet dry via expensive restaurants, gifts, etc. Finding a good looking woman that is NOT like that will simply be tough for any foreigner.
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Er no, I never flash money or status or whatever possessions. What I am saying is that most of those hotties will immediately think money when they find out you are a foreigner and will attempt to suck your wallet dry via expensive restaurants, gifts, etc. Finding a good looking woman that is NOT like that will simply be tough for any foreigner.
Not exactly.
As Faux Pas said you find this type of women everywhere in the world.
But they are not over represented in FSU.
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My husband agrees with Monarch. He has met lots of FSUW here who are married to WM, and he had some contact with classmates who have married Europeans (who found him on FB - he ended up deleting his FB account because of it). These experiences, and what he has observed when back in the FSU, is what informs his opinion, though I disagree with him because one can't state that such applies unequivocally. When I read Monarch's posts to him, he said "That is exactly what it is." He doesn't even restrict it to hotties, as Monarch does.
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Er no, I never flash money or status or whatever possessions. What I am saying is that most of those hotties will immediately think money when they find out you are a foreigner and will attempt to suck your wallet dry via expensive restaurants, gifts, etc. Finding a good looking woman that is NOT like that will simply be tough for any foreigner.
If a "good looking woman" is all you seek stay home, seriously. That way you're not the foreigner, problem solved. There are millions of beautiful women in the USA. IIRC you are still in your 20's?
Yes, there is a contingent of women particularly young women that will suck your wallet dry (again in any country). There are also hordes of prostitutes, overweight women, skinny women, poor women and rich women. Do you know what else there is? There are beautiful, intelligent women who are looking for a good man. Now rather than thinking you are looking for a "good looking woman" first, can you be "a good man"?
If you are just looking to get laid don't waste your money or time. It's way too expensive for that and you can do that at home. I really don't know where you are getting all of your information and I do not agree with Boe's better half. At least, these are not the women I know in Russia. In Ukraine they could all be blood sucking whores for all I know. I've never been there. The places in the FSU I have been they are nothing like you describe. It should also be noted I've never been on the prowl for young 20 years olds in the FSU, either ;D
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FP, I disagree with the better half when it comes to older women. They are not wanted by FSUM, for the most part, and if they do not want to die alone, they are going to seek a WM. That said, part of the better half's perception may be the FSUW he meets here. One woman, from Ukraine, is married to a WM. However, he was born in Ukraine and grew up there. He is still more comfortable speaking Ukrainian than English. He had never been married before. Because he had no family to take care of, he is very well off. He has bought her adult children in Ukraine homes and vacation properties in one of the most desirable areas of Ukraine.
Some time ago, he was diagnosed with cancer. They'd been married about 8 years at the time. The better half said she literally could not hide her glee at the fact she would finally be "rid of him". The BH was so disgusted, because he said the husband is a very good person, and did not deserve such a "viper" wife. To her dismay, he survived the cancer. He still has no idea of his wife's true feelings.
That's just one story. He has many others that are similar.
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I don't know how you can support a family making 30K a year. Does she know that? They aren't stupid women. I'd say 50K in suburbia is the minimum to live more or less comfy, and 70K in big cities.
She Knows I am only a carpenter...
She is my wife...
She loves New York... so far..
We go exploring in the corvette...
FSU women like good looking men but good looks can't support a family. They value other things more such as your biggest sex organ, the brain.
We laughed at this one...
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Boe -
I know we've discussed recently the women and men in this pursuit and the high percentage of nefarious folks that do it both male and female. We (the wife and I) personally know 25-30 FSUW/AM couples. Most of which are divorced or have a marriage in-trouble and do not like each other very much. A small number seem to be happy couples. I do truly believe that a large number of us are wackos and do this for nefarious purposes. Both men and women.
That said, I am not calling anybody out, you know who you are but I have been around for a long time and have seen marriage after marriage split the sheets. Fewer and fewer of these marriages are lasting. That's just the facts as I see them. When this board first started as a hold over from the planet-love site most people were still married. I suspect if we did a roll call of everyone on this and other boards of how many was still married, I'd wager than number was very small. Some have been married multiple times.
Is it the women? I'd venture to say it's very likely 50/50 men/women
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I don't disagree with you.
In the example I presented, that couple will be married until he dies, because she wants his assets. I suppose it is fine, he doesn't know that she does not love him, or if he does know, he is not bothered by it. I just think it is sad to live without real love.
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Er no, I never flash money or status or whatever possessions. What I am saying is that most of those hotties will immediately think money when they find out you are a foreigner and will attempt to suck your wallet dry via expensive restaurants, gifts, etc. Finding a good looking woman that is NOT like that will simply be tough for any foreigner.
Dump any girl when you get the first smell that she might be a gold digger.
This is a numbers game. Over +95% of FSUW won't be a good match. In my
mind 99% of WW wouldn't be a good match (for me) I wrote thousands and
thousands of girls. I've dated hundreds and hundreds, I rejected 99.999% of
them.
Dump, dump, dump and keep on dumping until you find an exceptional girl. You
don't want to marry a so-so girl! Who wants a mediocre wife? a mediocre wife
sucks @ss. Don't do it! Keep looking, start all over again, never date a non-exceptional
girl a second time.
So if you know you are going to reject a zillion girls whether they are hot or not
then you are driving the bus. The quicker you reject a girl and move on, the quicker
that you (and the girl you dumped) will find your match.
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Yeah, but most good looking women there are gold diggers and they tend to be found down-town. When your citizenship and wallet are more important than your personality and appearance, you are with a gold digger. That is why so many want to marry a western man - gold digging and citizenship. They are willing to give up local men they actually love to make sure their children have better lives in the West.
I think it somewhat depends on the age that you are seeking. If you are seeking a girl
who is less than say 25 you might be correct much of the time. However if you were
like me and searched for women who were 36+ then I would totally disagree with you.
Women who are older than say 36 have very few prospects for marriage in the FSU.
There are certainly men who will bed them (without a condom) sit on their couch
and eat their cooking, but those women have very little prospects for a serious LTR
and it's even worse if they have a child.
If you are seeking a woman over a certain age then you will find many excellent
candidates who are sincere and serious.
That's my opinion for what it's worth.
Udachi!
Bill
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Women who are older than say 36 have very few prospects for marriage in the FSU.
Not as true as it used to be.
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Boe - are you a Ukrainian woman?
The reason I want a Ukrainian wife is because:
- I'm Ukrainian.
- I was raised by a Ukrainian woman, man, and sister.
- There are way more hot women in Ukraine than in US, where 75 percent are overweight or obese.
- I want a feminine woman with traditional family values.
- I do not like AW and their attitude.
- I want a Russian-speaking wife because English is a dead robotic language to me, while Russian is my native language. If someone says I Love You to me in English, I feel nothing. The same words in Russian would make me feel at least something.
- I don't understand American humor and love Ukrainian/Russian humor.
I am TOTALLY cool with mild gold diggers. No woman wants a loser and it is a man's duty to provide in a traditional family. I am cool with my US citizenship and my good stable job being big assets, but I am not cool if they are my only assets to a woman. I want someone who actually loves me for my personality & looks, and who I love back as a person. I'm almost 30 (although everyone says I look 20...) and want someone in 20-26 range because I want healthy kids. Is that very difficult to find in Odessa? I will not be looking in down-town or Arcadia beach or tourist locations. I will visit the poorer areas, where most true Ukrainian women live and where I came from.
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Not as true as it used to be.
The prospects of a 36 year old here with a child vs there with a child are
radically and immeasurably different.
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Meh, I don't know about that. I know a number of UW, a few with children, who married a second, even a third time, to UM, after 40. Not the norm, and 20 years ago, it would not have happened. But, it is changing.
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I am from the Ukrainian diaspora, my Grandmother was born in Ukraine, my Grandfather was not, though he was Ukrainian. I speak Ukrainian fluently.
My better half is from Ukraine. He is ethnically less Ukrainian than am I. He does not consider me, or any diaspora Ukrainians, "Ukrainian". He says our attitudes are different from those in Ukraine. He usually perceives ours as "better", unimpeded by the Soviets.
I think you are idealizing UW. What you want is up to you though, of course.
Are you saying AW or WW are in any way better than UW? AW are NOT feminine, not traditional, mostly disgusting fat, career-obsessed and very selfish. It's a matter of selecting lesser evil. I don't need to justify myself anyway, I have every good reason to be with UW. I tried to have a serious relationship with AW and it was horrible. I accidentally met and successfully dated 3 girls in college - one from Russia, one from Belarus, and one from Poland. They were WAY different from AW and it was the only time I loved someone. They all were exchange students and had to go back...
For a semi-Ukrainian, you don't seem to have a positive opinion about UW. Do you also consider yourself a heavy gold digger?
UW are women and fall in love with local Ukrainians, so I do not see why the same can't happen with handsome in-shape Ukrainians who live in USA with good stable jobs. I consider myself an all-in-one package :). Most AM and many WM are old, out of shape, naive, ugly, don't speak Russian, don't understand Ukrainian humor, etc. Why love them? It only makes sense to use them! I have none of these shortcomings.
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Are you saying AW or WW are in any way better than UW? AW are NOT feminine, not traditional, mostly disgusting fat, career-obsessed and very selfish. It's a matter of selecting lesser evil. I don't need to justify myself anyway, I have every good reason to be with UW. I tried to have a serious relationship with AW and it was horrible. I accidentally met and successfully dated 3 girls in college - one from Russia, one from Belarus, and one from Poland. They were WAY different from AW and it was the only time I loved someone. They all were exchange students and had to go back...
For a semi-Ukrainian, you don't seem to have a positive opinion about UW. Do you also consider yourself a heavy gold digger?
Ah I see. A couple of American women kicked you to the curb, eh? :popcorn:
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Ah I see. A couple of American women kicked you to the curb, eh? :popcorn:
No I kicked THEM. What is with all this defense of AW? Why are you even on these forums if you love AW so much?
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Are you saying AW or WW are in any way better than UW? AW are NOT feminine, not traditional, mostly disgusting fat, career-obsessed and very selfish. It's a matter of selecting lesser evil.
I am not saying WW are better than UW, nor do I believe that. Nor do I believe UW are better than WW.
In my travels to the US, I see many slim, attractive AW. Weight tends to be a middle age thing.
If you believe that you are choosing a "lesser evil", then you are likely, at some point, to fail.
I don't need to justify myself anyway, I have every good reason to be with UW. I tried to have a serious relationship with AW and it was horrible. I accidentally met and successfully dated 3 girls in college - one from Russia, one from Belarus, and one from Poland. They were WAY different from AW and it was the only time I loved someone. They all were exchange students and had to go back...
I didn't say you have to justify yourself.
For a semi-Ukrainian, you don't seem to have a positive opinion about UW. Do you also consider yourself a heavy gold digger?
Hmm, I lived in Ukraine as an adult, so I have seen a lot in Ukrainians that most here have not. But I didn't state my opinion. I stated my husband's opinion. He is a Kyianin, born and bred, lived there for more than 3 decades. He's seen the worst, and the best, in people. I tend to look for the good. He tends to be neutral. I would say he is a realist, who can size people up very quickly because his survival in the USSR depended on it.
No, I am many things, but I have never been a gold digger.
UW are women and fall in love with local Ukrainians, so I do not see why the same can't happen with handsome in-shape Ukrainians who live in USA with good stable jobs. I consider myself an all-in-one package :) . Most AM and many WM are old, out of shape, naive, ugly, don't speak Russian, don't understand Ukrainian humor, etc. Why love them? It only makes sense to use them! I have none of these shortcomings.
The attitude of "using" others is repugnant, no matter where it comes from.
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No I kicked THEM. What is with all this defense of AW? Why are you even on these forums if you love AW so much?
From what I have observed, those who have issues with women in their own countries usually have issues with FSUW as well.
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No I kicked THEM. What is with all this defense of AW? Why are you even on these forums if you love AW so much?
You are being rather silly with your putting FSUW on a pedestal. They are virtually no different from WW, except in one characteristic.
This one characteristic is they tend to be more slender than WW in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. But this doesn't last forever with most of them, if you have taken the time to look at most Babushka's; however, even there, they rarely become obese.
The other advantage for men in looking to FSU for a female mate is that the men can trade up on several characteristics while many of the FSUW are willing to trade down on several characteristics.
This imbalance is strictly due to the economics of the situation.
But the good news is that; while the FSUW will trade down with a WM (whereas a WW rarely will), there can be true love that develops between the two of them over time.
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No I kicked THEM. What is with all this defense of AW? Why are you even on these forums if you love AW so much?
Hurts don't it? :ROFL:
I'm not defending anything but I certainly know women better than you do. I know FSUW better than you and you had one for a mother ;D
BTW this isn't a forum for jilted men who hate AW although sometimes it does take on that particular air.
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AW are NOT feminine, not traditional, mostly disgusting fat, career-obsessed and very selfish.
Statements in that post are mostly bravado and tend to paint execrable tendencies with a broad brush.
Many modern young eastern European ladies are keen to the feminist scene as are their Western counterparts.
In this world, many folks are 'loose' people and that's how it is.
You can get what you want or find what you need.
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Hurts don't it? :ROFL:
I'm not defending anything but I certainly know women better than you do. I know FSUW better than you and you had one for a mother ;D
BTW this isn't a forum for jilted men who hate AW although sometimes it does take on that particular air.
Point taken. UW are not feminine, not more attractive than AW, almost all are gold diggers, unable to love, and in general suck, while AW are the opposite and awesome. You guys are TROLLS defending AW on FSUW forums and no, you do not know UW better than me. I lived there for 13 years and unlike you, I can speak Russian fluently without any accent. UW are smart and know how to play men well, especially naive Americans. Do you know how many times I saw UW and AM together talking in English, her being so sweet and nice to him, him buying it, then she tells her friends "Fat fagott..." to describe him in Russian? The vast majority of AM who visit Ukraine are just as obese as AW + old and no normal woman would want to be with a man like that, so those guys end up with gold diggers and wonder why after marriage those women refused to sleep with them (happens all the time), while normal UW end up with local men who they truly care for, even if those men are poor. I AM local and foreign to them because I live in US for and have a good job, but that is just one asset. You have to have a lot more than that if you want to find someone who actually cares for you, and doesn't just pretend to care to move to US or wherever. Besides, some 90 percent of UW will marry UM and many of them would never leave UA or want to be with a foreign man. Many do not understand foreign men, their humor, their mostly disgusting appearance (never saw a young fit AM in US, almost all were fat and old), although there are ezceptions. I happen to be local AND foreign at the same time.
I don't have any issues dating AW either. I've been spoiled with their attention, constant approaching, constant compliments, etc. Being Ukrainian in US has a lot of benefits and depending on where you live, you can be very exotic. I think AW are good for short non-serious flings, but are terrible for serious long-term relationships.
Oh and everyone uses everyone, but most do not think in those terms. If you love someone because of how they make you feel then you technically use them and their qualities to achieve that feeling. There is always a trade, but it's one thing to trade your qualities for love and another to trade your qualities ONLY for citizenship and money, a scenario I would not be happy with.
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Point taken. UW are not feminine, not more attractive than AW, almost all are gold diggers, unable to love, and in general suck, while AW are the opposite and awesome.
Nobody is saying that. There are over 100 million AW. Surely some of them are attractive. :P
You guys are TROLLS defending AW on FSUW forums and no, you do not know UW better than me. I lived there for 13 years and unlike you, I can speak Russian fluently without any accent.
Actually, I think I do know UW better than you do. I can speak Russian as well, though I do have an accent. But, most people assume I am Polish, not Western. It's only my wooden "l" that gives me away, otherwise, they'd assume I'm from Western Ukraine.
UW are smart and know how to play men well, especially naive Americans. Do you know how many times I saw UW and AM together talking in English, her being so sweet and nice to him, him buying it, then she tells her friends "Fat fagott..." to describe him in Russian? The vast majority of AM who visit Ukraine are just as obese as AW + old and no normal woman would want to be with a man like that, so those guys end up with gold diggers and wonder why after marriage those women refused to sleep with them (happens all the time), while normal UW end up with local men who they truly care for, even if those men are poor.
Hmm. Why do I have the feeling your mother married an obese American to escape Ukraine?
I AM local and foreign to them because I live in US for and have a good job, but that is just one asset. You have to have a lot more than that if you want to find someone who actually cares for you, and doesn't just pretend to care to move to US or wherever. Besides, some 90 percent of UW will marry UM and many of them would never leave UA or want to be with a foreign man. Many do not understand foreign men, their humor, their mostly disgusting appearance (never saw a young fit AM in US, almost all were fat and old), although there are ezceptions. I happen to be local AND foreign at the same time.
You're not local. You are now American. You are not planning on living in Ukraine, are you? You're not travelling on a Ukrainian passport.
Oh and everyone uses everyone, but most do not think in those terms. If you love someone because of how they make you feel then you technically use them and their qualities to achieve that feeling. There is always a trade, but it's one thing to trade your qualities for love and another to trade your qualities ONLY for citizenship and money, a scenario I would not be happy with.
That's not a very deep understanding of love.
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Haven't we seen some of this attitude from another young poster in the recent past? ;D
Nobody is saying that. There are over 100 million AW. Surely some of them are attractive. :P
They must be, or the Miss USA pageant, and all its subsidiaries, wouldn't exist. Heck, there are even three or four winners in the last 25 years that I've thought were reasonably attractive! :devil:
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Monarch, your views and the opposing views of AW vs. FSUW, have been debated for literally, over 100 pages' worth of posts on this forum. You will definitely get a lot more "heat" than "light" on this subject.
All the men telling you that FSUW and AW are the same... still somehow managed to prefer an FSUW enough to marry them, it was purely an accident! ;D
Boethius has her own set of views, in relationships she is very smart and perceptive I think. However, she does not know the fat, slovenly side of AW because there are not many of them where she lives; it's a credit to her choices in life that she lives in the community/society she does and thus, she rarely sees the "people of WalMart" types.
Statistics certainly show that AW are on average, more likely to be obese than a woman of the same age, in other countries. This cannot really be set aside or gainsaid: it is simply the truth.
Unfortunately, rising car ownership and prepared foods are gaining ground in FSU, leading to some gaining some weight.
I think my advice to you, would be to confirm you in the idea of searching in Ukraine or even Russia or Belarus. I would suggest, given your fluency, that you go and live in the FSU for at least 3 months, and while there, focus on building up a network of friends rather than just pursuing dating.
In every city there are English language schools, either volunteering or getting a job there would help you meet just the kind of studious, slightly to very ambitious, Western-looking women you want. Alternatively, any major city like Kiev, Moscow, StP etc. will have plenty of opportunity for you to use both Russian and English in any sort of job or social event.
Final thought: some self-reflection is needed, and some thought: what is truly non-negotiable for you in a girl? What are some signs (aside from hotness) that you really have "met the one" - or is that in itself a notion you don't pay attention to? The better defined in your mind, the desired girl is in terms of mental/spiritual/personality characteristics, the easier it will be for you to sort them out.
(I have found that reading Marcus Aurelius' book, "Meditations" was very helpful in having the right mindset when dealing with setbacks and problems, which are inevitable in this search.)
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Slumba,
Very nice post - thank you. Too bad I can only stay a month there, but I have a lot of relatives and siblings and some friends there that I know. Stopping my career to teach English and not have a job to go back to in USA would be a complete turn off for FSUW...
Boe,
That is your opinion and I do respect it, but you wrong on several fronts. First of all, Ukraine made me who I am today and my passport states "Birth Place: Ukraine". Calling me American is like saying Michael Jackson was white... Besides, when I was in process of getting US Citizenship, I had one hand on my heart, no vtoroj rukoj derzhal duliu v karmane :). Besides, nobody in US would think I am a foreigner UNLESS I tell them where I live. You are also of false belief that UW are unable to care for foreigners and will only use them. That applies to the older naive Americans who flash their pockets and are ugly, fat, unable to speak good Russian. Of course they will get used! Why not use them? However, you are ignoring the non-naive, young, attractive, Russian-speaking semi- foreigners who can very much be an all-in-one package option for husband material.
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All the men telling you that FSUW and AW are the same... still somehow managed to prefer an FSUW enough to marry them, it was purely an accident! ;D
You are missing the point; at least my point.
For any desirable gal you find in FSU, she has an exact counterpart here in USA.
The very big difference is the gal in FSU will go for you, whereas the USA gal will not go for you.
This is strictly due to economics.
But when guys go off on the idea that FSUW are superior to AW with respect to several variables . . . that's when the pipe dreaming occurs.
The FSUW are only better (in general) in one variable . . . slenderness.
And they are different in the one other fact I mentioned . . . the FSU gal you rate at 88.789 (on some overall scale) will take you. Her USA 88.789 counterpart will not take you.
That's why the guys here 'somehow managed' to end up with FSU gals.
Economics, economics, economics !!!
However, true love can also develop.
But not for Monarch.
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But when guys go off on the idea that FSUW are superior to AW with respect to several variables . . . that's when the pipe dreaming occurs.
The FSUW are only better (in general) in one variable . . . slenderness.
There are many mentality differences, some good, some not so good. There are other physical differences but nothing as notable as body weight.
And they are different in the one other fact I mentioned . . . the FSU gal you rate at 88.789 (on some overall scale) will take you. Her USA 88.789 counterpart will not take you.
I found a few AW in the 8-9 range who wanted to spend time with me. None proved compatible for various reasons, some of it my fault. The few AW were far outnumbered by the RW in that range who wanted to spend time with me. This is the key difference. With more choices, one is eventually able to find a compatible mentality. And that is the key to an enduring, happy relationship.
Economics, economics, economics !!!
For sure a man must be able to support a woman in the style she expects. I would say opportunity is just as important as economics, and security/stability too. These are a function of government and culture, particularly business culture.
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You are literally buying a wife then. I am pretty sure someone said that if you have problems dating AW then you will have problems dating FSUW. You obviously do have problems since AW don't want you in which case FSUW want you PURELY for money. Yet you expect love? I hope you are young, in excellent shape, have awesome facial aesthetics, very mucho and aggressive confident personality, can fluently speak Russian, and have an excellent job. If not, your chances of finding true love are all to none. You are just like all other naive Americans who visit FSU and are clueless about it. Over there, women are the players and they will use you for whatever you got, then likely ditch you or tell you they do not want sex after marriage and end up hooking up with another man. That is assuming money is all you have going for you and that seems to be the case...
I don't have problems with AW and I explained how they spoil me with attention, but they mostly want sex from me, to be friends with benefits, etc. They do not want a serious relationship with me or any other men because they are feminists and think they do not need men at all, except for getting laid. It is WAY easier to get laid in US than in UA, but my play-days are coming to an end and I want a serious relationship with traditional family. FSUW are best for that. EVERY Eastern European successful man I knew in college went back home to either Russia, Ukraine, Romania, or Poland and all found beautiful wives and they are all happy with kids. Those I knew who married AW are divorced already and with or without kids. FSUW revel in their femininity while AW's generally hate men because most are fat and ugly and know that men do not want them. Both AW and FSUW are similar in many ways, but there are some major differences, important differences.
Íp..
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Monarch, your views and the opposing views of AW vs. FSUW, have been debated for literally, over 100 pages' worth of posts on this forum. You will definitely get a lot more "heat" than "light" on this subject.
All the men telling you that FSUW and AW are the same... still somehow managed to prefer an FSUW enough to marry them, it was purely an accident! ;D
Boethius has her own set of views, in relationships she is very smart and perceptive I think. However, she does not know the fat, slovenly side of AW because there are not many of them where she lives; it's a credit to her choices in life that she lives in the community/society she does and thus, she rarely sees the "people of WalMart" types.
Statistics certainly show that AW are on average, more likely to be obese than a woman of the same age, in other countries. This cannot really be set aside or gainsaid: it is simply the truth.
Unfortunately, rising car ownership and prepared foods are gaining ground in FSU, leading to some gaining some weight.
I think my advice to you, would be to confirm you in the idea of searching in Ukraine or even Russia or Belarus. I would suggest, given your fluency, that you go and live in the FSU for at least 3 months, and while there, focus on building up a network of friends rather than just pursuing dating.
You probably do not encounter many "people of Wal-Mart" in your social milieu, either.
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I don't have problems with AW and I explained how they spoil me with attention, but they mostly want sex from me, to be friends with benefits, etc. They do not want a serious relationship with me or any other men because they are feminists and think they do not need men at all, except for getting laid. It is WAY easier to get laid in US than in UA, but my play-days are coming to an end and I want a serious relationship with traditional family. FSUW are best for that. EVERY Eastern European successful man I knew in college went back home to either Russia, Ukraine, Romania, or Poland and all found beautiful wives and they are all happy with kids. Those I knew who married AW are divorced already and with or without kids. FSUW revel in their femininity while AW's generally hate men because most are fat and ugly and know that men do not want them. Both AW and FSUW are similar in many ways, but there are some major differences, important differences.
Íp..
The average age of a bride in a first marriage in the US is 29, in Ukraine, 27. I suspect the difference has to do with schooling and debt, rather than feminism.
As for sex, laughable. There are areas in Kyiv you can visit to find a woman for the night, based on what her kink is. Has been thus since at least the 1970's. My husband was hit on far more often in Ukraine, and still is despite now being over the hill, than he has ever been here.
Your idealization of UW is naive. It's as if you need to justify yourself.
First of all, Ukraine made me who I am today and my passport states "Birth Place: Ukraine". Calling me American is like saying Michael Jackson was white... Besides, when I was in process of getting US Citizenship, I had one hand on my heart, no vtoroj rukoj derzhal duliu v karmane . Besides, nobody in US would think I am a foreigner UNLESS I tell them where I live. You are also of false belief that UW are unable to care for foreigners and will only use them. That applies to the older naive Americans who flash their pockets and are ugly, fat, unable to speak good Russian. Of course they will get used! Why not use them? However, you are ignoring the non-naive, young, attractive, Russian-speaking semi- foreigners who can very much be an all-in-one package option for husband material.
Other than the "use them" comments, which I suspect has more to do with your own familial situation than anything else, your own attitudes here tell me you are not Ukrainian in your outlook. You attended American schools, you work for an American company, you plan on importing a wife rather than living in Ukraine. So, you are, in fact, American.
You are also of false belief that UW are unable to care for foreigners and will only use them.
I never stated that.
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Boe, now I know for a fact that you are not Ukrainian, probably not a woman, but definitely a forum troll.
Thanks to those who helped, I appreciate it. Next time I post will be after my trip and we'll see what happens.
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I am Ukrainian by ethnicity.
I am a woman.
I have opinions. Whether or not you view me as a troll, or, for that matter, Ukrainian or a woman, is irrelevant to me.
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It is time for whoever morphed from Dragonkid to Monarch to confess your true identity.
Some advice for you: when you morph you should try to improve. All you have changed is to claim you now speak Russian. Even your name of "Monarch" as in the grand butterfly species, a product of metamorphosis, belies you.
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In Ukraine.. I am the American Monkey in the Ukrainian zoo..
In New York,, Vika is the Ukrainian Monkey in the American Zoo..
People just like monkeys... They like what is different...
So I think it is normal for WM to get attention in a foreign country..
And a EW to get more attention in the west...
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It is time for whoever morphed from Dragonkid to Monarch to confess your true identity.
Some advice for you: when you morph you should try to improve. All you have changed is to claim you now speak Russian. Even your name of "Monarch" as in the grand butterfly species, a product of metamorphosis, belies you.
I don't believe Monarch is a returned poster. I do believe he is an American originally from Ukraine.
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Gator, I always enjoy your posts......brief and to the point. For me...I like the process of writing.....so am sometimes a little more long-winded. I remember on the old RWG a few poster's who "morphed" a few times (Stroh's....like the beer comes to mind). A brief study of their "spelling" mistakes.....usually led to their being "found out". If it walks like a duck....talks like a duck......but mainly "spells" like a duck......then it was a duck (or a Stroh's).
Capt B
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If you are better looking than the average WM who seeks a FSUW, good on you, it will help your chances . You are definitely jaded from WM, but nothing different than the guys on here, so you will do fine as long as they do fine, which they do by paying for their wives affections. The women there will see you as an escape route though, your are not really a FSUM mentality, you are a jaded western man.
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One of the reasons I ended up in the FSU was that my AW ex-wife is very attractive and very traditional and sweet. I could get one or the other here but not both it seems so off I went...:-)))
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AW are NOT feminine, not traditional, mostly disgusting fat, career-obsessed and very selfish.
Some AW are all those things however, when you get to my age almost none of them
are still single. Those who are all those things are usually very happily married to very
happy men.
I went to the FSU because I could easily find a slim, beautiful FSUW who could easily find
Spain on a map and didn't think that kangaroos came from Austria. Back when I was
still single I did date a former two sport college scholarship athlete (basketball and
volleyball) who was many of those things but when she started displaying her passive
aggressive personality she got kicked to the curb.
I wanted an excellent girl. I wasn't going to settle for a so-so girl. In my opinion they
were available in abundance in the FSU and just as importantly they were interested
in me.
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I went to the FSU because I could easily find a slim, beautiful FSUW who could easily find
Spain on a map and didn't think that kangaroos came from Austria.
What are you talking about? Of COURSE Kangaroos come from Austria!
http://www.zoovienna.at/media/uploads/dokumente/lageplanfolder_web_032015_e.pdf
Look near the bottom right-hand corner of the last page if you don't believe me.
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didn't think that kangaroos came from Austria.
Actually kangaroos did originate in Austria.
But, they grew tired of the winters.
So they walked across the continents, down through Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia, and then swam across to Australia.
This is in basic 8th grade classes.
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Actually kangaroos did originate in Austria.
But, they grew tired of the winters.
So they walked across the continents, down through Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia, and then swam across to Australia.
This is in basic 8th grade classes.
Wrong! They didn't need to swim, because there was land all the way. After they arrived they thought this was their promised land, so they got the wombats to dig out enough earth between themselves and Asia to stop anyone following. :devil:
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Wrong! They didn't need to swim, because there was land all the way. After they arrived they thought this was their promised land, so they got the wombats to dig out enough earth between themselves and Asia to stop anyone following. :devil:
OK, thanks for the correction. Our teachers didn't know about that land bridge when I went to school.
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This really isn't for you.
It takes a lot of trips back and forth to meet the gals, and keep contact going.
That is one reason why many of the guys here are older, probably have 4 weeks or more of vacation each year, run their own businesses, are somewhat wealthy, are retired, etc.
I know the guys you are referring to on here who are wealthy, they found women half their age. Lets take one of the guys i know on here as an example, met a cute girl, half his age, he is physically undesirable, he isn't a older guy which is chiseled etc. That is fine, he always told me how this girl he met loved him to bits. Now what he never told me was he got this girl pregnant, and claimed to be the biological father, this is where it gets interesting, the same guy slaughtered another user a few years back for divorcing his fsu wife, and pursuing the search again whilst the man's kids were around 10, saying that man should wait till his kids were in college. Now lets go back to the girl half his age, he was set to get married, bam he dropped her, and a few months later is using questionable sites to find a new woman, i have a feeling his previous woman he met was through questionable channels . Either this man is a hypocrite, or a liar, or something shocking happened (biological). Another man on here has a wife who told him she would go to the west to be a house wife, 6 months after arriving she changes her plans, and now wants to pursue a career, and by his own words they are having problems in the bedroom. I came across stories where women by their own words stick with their partners till they get educated, and they just walk out, letting their husbands pay the bill. Another i have no clue, he has lied so much that i can't keep up with him, all i know he has lost contact with his kids from his previous marriage. What do all three men have in common? They all think each others relationships are "great", and people should strive to find something similar.
I know guys who literally, have nothing, young guys, one is a personal friend, i go out with, good looking guy, young, he went to Philippines and met a woman, both are very much in love. I was shocked when i found out what happened. I have a close female friend in russia, her bf hasn't got a good job,no deposit on a house, nothing to his name, he is 28, she told me she will sell her flat in russia and pursue her studies in holland,pay half the rent for the apartment and has confidence that she will be able to add financial value to his life. I know another couple , same as the above, actually all the young guys that are good looking found genuine love, whilst the physically undesirable ones, found cheaper sugar babes than the ones they would in the west. this is not directed at all users on this forum, i think money is very important, do i believe the people i know will have a long lasting relationship? Maybe,but they will have a lot of problems, but they have something that the above people don't, that is partners that actually want to be with them.
I just want to add, i don't think any young man should pursue this search really, unless you probably have millions. Reason being there are plenty of great western women, you can find something that matches your income, which is better than getting a slightly hotter girl in fsu compared to west. If you have a job, or online business that allows you to live abroad, then yes, probably you should do it. I know of guys on roosh who are saving for a $500K portfolio so they can live off the dividends to live in FSU, you really don't need millions, i do think $500k if you wanted to live off dividends would be the BARE minimum. But yes, you are right, money is important, but maybe guys who are physically desirable have a better chance of finding genuine love.
I don't know all the users on here, all i know is the backstory of some, and each time i dig, i feel disgusted by the mentality these women have. It is no secret that some of the fsuw marry well off physically undesirable men, and then are on women discussion forums for fsuw, talking about how to get their prenups broken, hide their secret lovers from their husbands. I agree with your posts, that really there isn't any difference between Western women and FSUW, Western women are just more genuine, and you get to see their true side, no bs.
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I don't know all the users on here, all i know is the backstory of some, and each time i dig, i feel disgusted by the mentality these women have. It is no secret that some of the fsuw marry well off physically undesirable men, and then are on women discussion forums for fsuw, talking about how to get their prenups broken, hide their secret lovers from their husbands. I agree with your posts, that really there isn't any difference between WM and FSUW, WM are just more genuine, and you get to see their true side, no bs.
There is a lot of "broken people" that do the inter-cultural relationships. Many more are, than aren't. Where you and I fall into that is a matter of perception. Yes, we easily could be considered broken as well. It could easily be said that we ALL have something wrong with us. There is something wrong with us as no one is perfect. Who are we to judge what is good or for the benefit of others. We're not, we can't judge what is good for others. We can only provide our perception.
The old guy with the pop belly with a FSUW half his age, you don't know his story and you don't know hers even if they told you some of it. You only know what they told you and you don't know how much truth it holds. Your estimation isn't the only estimation and how far from the truth it really is, you have no way of knowing.
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As a follow up to DG's last post . . . I should remind that my comments were mostly directed to men from USA reflecting the travel distance and related costs.
My comments might only be true to a lesser extent regarding men living in Europe . . . but overall they still have a large element of truth for those gents also.
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we easily could be considered broken as well
i have flaws definitely, some i am open with the people who i date, some i told the people here. That does not mean however that i should accept someone else's flaws, i know when i broke up with my russian ex, i was talking to my father about it. He told me if you are looking for perfection you won't ever find it, you need to accept peoples flaws, i think he was right. However the flaws i found on here regarding peoples wives is not something i would be able to deal with. I have no rush to get married, when i will be in the fsu there will be no need for me to get married, i could mingle easily, but i would like to meet someone that is not only beautiful on the outside but inside also. I am not looking to get married so that i could keep my bed warm, being single and young in fsu, that is something i could do, there has to be a reason i will want a marriage that doesn't last for a few years, but for as long as i am alive, some guys on here have a limited amount of people to select, or have time constraints hence their rash decision to settle for major flaws.
That being said, many of the women are great, but the guys are not so great. Of the 3 guys i discussed above, i would consider one actually well off, the other two are just wealthy in the eyes of fsuw. One of the guys like many on here have this mentality that sex is something a woman is obliged to do. That they provide and a woman opens her legs, this is why western women are in their eyes terrible. Western women have options, whereas the fsuw they meet do not. I know women who have good lives, for fsu they are considered very good, they can pick a man, do not need to hook up with a guy twice their age to provide, they are fortunate. I remember on here there was a discussion and guys felt that lasting 3 minutes in bed was some how acceptable because they provided money,it is a piss poor mindset imho. Guys who i know personally, have the opposite mindset, they want to do everything, not just buy a woman's affection, they strive for genuine praise from a woman.
The old guy with the pop belly with a FSUW half his age, you don't know his story and you don't know hers
I just found out the true backstory, and it was what i initially thought, i guessed rightly. I won't disclose it all, but it is pretty shocking, but not something i am surprised about knowing SOME of the people i have talked to on here.
As a follow up to DG's last post . . . I should remind that my comments were mostly directed to men from USA reflecting the travel distance and related costs.
My comments might only be true to a lesser extent regarding men living in Europe . . . but overall they still have a large element of truth for those gents also.
I will be honest, i don't think the people i know will last, they will have a lot of financial problems, but if their love is genuine then who knows. But if these guys were not European, i doubt they would of been considered in the first place.
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i doubt they would of 've been considered in the first place.