What’s the point of this board

[Sailor291]

I have been a member/ reader if this board for 20+years. I liked reading about other people’s experiences with their wives from FSU.  However it seems that the board is nothing more than a political sounding board anymore.  I don’t like to put my personal politics out there just so I can get into some argument with another member, this whole political thing is getting very old.  I would really like if this board returned to its original purpose.  Is that too much to ask?

[ML]

I agree.

However, there may be some practical considerations.

I am not sure if the owner of this site (is it still Dan) makes any money from it.

If yes, probably the fees he can receive from advertisers is correlated with the number of members, the active members, and the number of postings.

Very few are posting anything about their interactions with women from the Former Soviet Union.

So if political postings were to be completely shut  out, there may not be enough traffic here to bring in enough revenue to pay the cost of maintaining this discussion board.

I have posted a number of items about my daily interactions with my FSU wife, her family, etc.  Mostly here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=18530.0

Anyone can review and see that I get almost zero comments on those postings.

Conclusion:  There is virtually no interest in reading about normal, healthy relationships between WM and FSUW.  Train wrecks, ongoing and predicted, generally do get a lot of comments.

[ML]

I, for one, would be interested in reading more about the daily interactions between WM and their FSU wives and girlfriends.

We could even write about the major and even minor irritants we encounter.  However, this would mean that those who are quick to throw  out the TMI (too much information) postings would have to be shouted down.

I don't mind posting TMI as there is virtually zero chance that I and my FSU W will ever meet (in person) any of the other posters here.  If others would take that same attitude, maybe we can provide each other with some really helpful comments and insights on how to have a more successful relationship with our FSUW.

I will start this by commenting that I am noticing more and  more that my FSUW repeats the same viewpoint over and over on some trivial matters.  It is somewhat (becoming quite a bit of) of an irritant to me.

For instance:  We usually eat our largest meal in mid afternoon.  Then, as the evening draws near, she will start asking when I want to eat something lighter.

And then she will repeat, for the 1,000th time:   

"I don't want to wait too long to eat as it's not good to go to bed with a full stomach.  "   I understood that point when she said it 999 times ago.

Question:  Does your FSUW have a similar habit ?

And whether your answer is yes or no . . . how can I get my FSUW to "Shut up" about this ???

[GQBlues]

I have been a member/ reader if this board for 20+years. I liked reading about other people’s experiences with their wives from FSU.  However it seems that the board is nothing more than a political sounding board anymore.  I don’t like to put my personal politics out there just so I can get into some argument with another member, this whole political thing is getting very old.  I would really like if this board returned to its original purpose.  Is that too much to ask?

There's more than just a few factor that influenced the steady decline of interest with WM/FSUW, and the discussion forum. To begin with, even at the height of the MOB, AM/FSUW marriages only peaked at 4,000/yr. Compare that to AM/Asian, which tallied upwards of 10K/yr +. It was always destined to die down sooner than later anyway.

The passing of VAWA I'm certain also contributed to this.

Of course, the change in Russian economy eliminated all, if not most, of the unions between WM/RWs. Leaving only Ukraine as the lone source of FSUW availability. The eventual 2014 maidan undermined that, too.

Consequently, a lot of the ladies that used to post on this board, mostly Russian, slowly disappeared as a result of the men's hostile sentiment towards everything Russian scared them all off.

911 also affected, albeit shortly, the impetus of the MOB.

But I think the single biggest cause in the demise in this segment of the MOB is the large number of failed marriages. Even involving people previously deemed 'experts' in this endeavor by many seeding a growing negative perception - maybe even attitude - about the adventure.

[BillyB]

I used to post a lot about my life with my Ukrainian wife just like ML currently does. Posted a lot of details and photos. Back then some people accused me of posting too much about it. Now people aren't getting enough of that kind of forum themed talk. I stopped posted about my life after I learned some people were digging into my life uninvited. It only takes a few to spoil it for all.

[Trenchcoat]

In fairness if you look on any of the online dating sites there is probably only a tiny fraction of women that are seeking a WM in a country such as Ukraine. If you take the capital & latest city Kiev in Ukraine the numbers of women on Fdate each day isn't that many at all, a handful. Those profiles over a few days old of which there are a fair number are almost pointless writing to as most won't reply. There is an option in Fdate to get a copy of all messages from others sent to your inbox but either they are no longer interested or haven't ticked that option.

Other sites like Elena's Models, dmnotify, Mamba (which I no longer rate) etc all will have similar levels of women that are in some way legit. Other options that directly address international dating, agencies, etc will have no better. Many operations will have loads of bs profiles to make it look like there are more women than what they are. So to some extent there is not really the activity there, the impression I get is that it was more in the past. Even with everything bad going on in Ukraine at the moment odds are life is still more liveable than in the past 1990s & 2000s. That may change if the effect of the virus damages the economy enough.

Japs/DK recommended Tinder to look for a girl in Ukraine. That is not a bad idea. Those women are not specifically looking for a western guy which has its plus and minus points. There are a greater number of women but most never set out to find a WM. So is the whole International dating in Ukraine now a bit of a passing fad? Is it now better to use apps like Tinder, just go over there then start dating to show you're for real?

For us UK guys it's certainly no a huge deal these days to just go there, US still has the long haul flight issue. I think times have somewhat changed though and the old skool guy  messages a girl in a foreign land (Ukraine) like she is some far off exotic curiosity is coming to pass. In future and I think it is already guys will likely just use universal dating apps like tinder to meet up with FSW. In that respect while this board contains a wealth of useful info for dating a FSW it's probably becoming less of a unique area than it was. That's not to say loads of WM do FSU dating probably on the contrary but it is likely becoming less of a outlandish thing these days as western influence spreads.

Belarus is probably at present at least a place where it's still a bit unusual. Western influence is starting to spread there also but at present it's still a little closed off compared to Ukraine & the popular Russian cities I think.

[tfcrew]

I have tried to throw out various topics besides political [most recently the Tokyo Olympics, global climate, humor, non-political current events] and there were usually no responses for discussion. Political discussion was supposed to be contained in members only but squirm out somehow to the general public at the odds and ends forum and the public sees all the name calling and put downs.

[Nightwish]

wall of text I hardly was bothered to read

but to contradict Trench just a bit of the small amount I did bother to read..

I know of about 20 girls (well women) only in Kyiv-area that is looking for a foreign husband, not only- but they expanded their search to include foreign, especially since they see how me and Tanya is very happy together and the life we are building.

They are all in 25-40 range, all of them but one - without a child. All of them have work (that I know of) and can survive there, but want to find that allusive thing called love. Build a strong happy family and just live a life.
3 of them previously married but all divorced because the hubby looked to the left and found someone younger to fool around with. Still a very common thing over there.. infidelity. 
 
They refuse to use free sites like Fdating because "everyone is a f*cking pervert only asking for camsex or nudes"

All of them can be found on monthly sites like dmnotify/cuteonly, don't remember the other ones used. A couple of them are registered to Marriage agency's that place them on sites like Anastasia also, but none of them uses that site after everything I told them about it. They still get requests through the agency.

There is still a lot of men going there and hiring marriage agency's, one of the girls, she is 29 - has on average 2-3 requests for dates per week, a little down now with covid ofc.. but many many middle east people still travel to Ukraine in the midst of the pandemic to seek a wife.
Ukrainian girls are of highest value there.

But they use primarily the monthly pay sites on my recommendation, where they at least are a little "protected" from the worst perverts, and cheap poor ones, like you Trench

[2tallbill]

I have been a member/ reader if this board for 20+years. I liked reading about other people’s experiences with their wives from FSU.  However it seems that the board is nothing more than a political sounding board anymore.  I don’t like to put my personal politics out there just so I can get into some argument with another member, this whole political thing is getting very old.  I would really like if this board returned to its original purpose.  Is that too much to ask?

There are very few newbies that are willing to post. The OMB (old married bastards)
run off any who make a post. The interest in traveling to Eastern Europe has frozen
with Covid.

[2tallbill]

I, for one, would be interested in reading more about the daily interactions between WM and their FSU wives and girlfriends.

Unless the woman is Russian, then you will insult her and she won't return.

[Trenchcoat]

but to contradict Trench just a bit of the small amount I did bother to read..

I know of about 20 girls (well women) only in Kyiv-area that is looking for a foreign husband, not only- but they expanded their search to include foreign, especially since they see how me and Tanya is very happy together and the life we are building.

They are all in 25-40 range, all of them but one - without a child. All of them have work (that I know of) and can survive there, but want to find that allusive thing called love. Build a strong happy family and just live a life.
3 of them previously married but all divorced because the hubby looked to the left and found someone younger to fool around with. Still a very common thing over there.. infidelity. 
 
They refuse to use free sites like Fdating because "everyone is a f*cking pervert only asking for camsex or nudes"

All of them can be found on monthly sites like dmnotify/cuteonly, don't remember the other ones used. A couple of them are registered to Marriage agency's that place them on sites like Anastasia also, but none of them uses that site after everything I told them about it. They still get requests through the agency.

There is still a lot of men going there and hiring marriage agency's, one of the girls, she is 29 - has on average 2-3 requests for dates per week, a little down now with covid ofc.. but many many middle east people still travel to Ukraine in the midst of the pandemic to seek a wife.
Ukrainian girls are of highest value there.

But they use primarily the monthly pay sites on my recommendation, where they at least are a little "protected" from the worst perverts, and cheap poor ones, like you Trench

Lol, I don't mind a good jibe Nightwish

On the topic though I would hardly say 20 girls in a city of millions is a lot of women. Sure it's just the ones you know and there will be others. I've looked on sites like dmnotify and it's hardly teaming with girls, no more than Fdate - and you can look on there for free! To be fair it probably is a but better than Fdate where I get the impression a lot of western men go and many possibly aren't serious.

I've heard women say before that they got into foreign dating because of their friend's good experience, etc. I don't see that it had created a huge number of women interested though. In comparison to the female population open to dating around that age it's pretty small. Odds are the big hang up for many is not being near their family. There's stuff that can alleviate that a bit, being in a country not far away, being near airports, video chat, texting, etc but it probably still hangs heavy a bit.

On the whole I still don't think there is huge amount of activity happening in the WM/Ukrainian dating scene like it used to be.

[Trenchcoat]

I have tried to throw out various topics besides political [most recently the Tokyo Olympics, global climate, humor, non-political current events] and there were usually no responses for discussion. Political discussion was supposed to be contained in members only but squirm out somehow to the general public at the odds and ends forum and the public sees all the name calling and put downs.

I think there's stuff people want to talk about in current affairs and often that tends to be something with a political edge. There's times when that goes too far and it just becomes general partisan positions taken up & argued such as Trump & Biden and who supports who. While this isn't a current affairs forum I think many forums you go on will go off onto current affairs as it's what it's long term members tend to what to talk about, take Afghanistan for example.

To be honest members need to either talk about their experiences with FSW or their wives, their extended FSU family or new members talk about stuff. Unfortunately some new members tend to be rather nieve and when they get told they have been had on by a FSW that's normally the last we hear of them. Ok good jokes are made of it but I don't know if there is a better way to help them move on to better ground with a FSW rather than abandon it altogether, which I assume is what they do.

So I think lack of much happening there is why members like to entertain current affair topics. Nothing wrong with that it good to hear what other members think but it's kind of a down time actively on here when no real FSW topics are up for discussion I think.

[tfcrew]

  While this isn't a current affairs forum

It is a discussion forum.

[Nightwish]

Lol, I don't mind a good jibe Nightwish

On the topic though I would hardly say 20 girls in a city of millions is a lot of women. Sure it's just the ones you know and there will be others. I've looked on sites like dmnotify and it's hardly teaming with girls, no more than Fdate - and you can look on there for free! To be fair it probably is a but better than Fdate where I get the impression a lot of western men go and many possibly aren't serious.

I've heard women say before that they got into foreign dating because of their friend's good experience, etc. I don't see that it had created a huge number of women interested though. In comparison to the female population open to dating around that age it's pretty small. Odds are the big hang up for many is not being near their family. There's stuff that can alleviate that a bit, being in a country not far away, being near airports, video chat, texting, etc but it probably still hangs heavy a bit.

On the whole I still don't think there is huge amount of activity happening in the WM/Ukrainian dating scene like it used to be.

No because many close down their account since they know the men can't visit right now.. and they do not want a virtual relationship.
And you're right, it's only a handful I know, but I also only know about a handful of girls there, Tanyas friends. And these ladies are that's about 50% of those.

I am fully aware it's not like 6-7 years ago when I started looking there, and even less now with social media taking a big leap instead of datingsites.. read somewhere that over half of all international relationships starts on facebook and instagram (and whatever more there is)..and is growing rapidly.

you just have to do your due diligence.. but that was a advice I could have saved space and time writing when it comes to you.

[BC]

Your assessment makes good sense, Nightwish.  Thanks for posting it. Someone else might find it useful.

[Nightwish]

I should also guess that looking for and joining a discussion forum like this is kinda yesterdays news..

Now everything is on youtube, hell half the younger gen cant even read two sentences in a row without getting a headache.
If it's not on youtube or google, it doesn't exist almost..

[BC]

At its essence, the whole FSUW dating 'thing' was a limited network of social media platforms, mostly run by agencies.

[BillyB]

Now everything is on youtube, hell half the younger gen cant even read two sentences in a row without getting a headache.
If it's not on youtube or google, it doesn't exist almost..

Unfortunately many of those youtube videos are made by agencies that we warn against. On a forum, people can discuss different idea which is a good thing. Google has been suppressing free speech and opposing ideas. Many big tech companies are in bed with each other. I wouldn't doubt a guy searching for answers on google will be pointed to youtube and facebook over forums.

[GQBlues]

Bottom line is, when the Soviet collapse, there was this huge anxious curiosity from countries like Russia about the western hemisphere. At the same time, the post-Soviet period (90s) economically devastated mmost of these nations, putting people in a very uncompromising dire situation. So you had these two events colliding at the very same time.

Dating/marriages became one of the escape from country and life many women saw as a way out of it. Fortunately at the time, the internet gave many westerner a window to these social fishing hole to salvage whatever social opportunity they can't muster at home. Supply saying hello to demand. Male frenzy ensued. Dating sites, chatrooms, discussion forums was the hottest trend because men couldn't get enough of the subject to temper their excitement.

Fast-forward, the driving impetus behind those (un)fortunate events slowly dissipated. Life and country got better. Even the likes of atypical Russian women wised-up and in many of these MOB-nations. MOB industries began to abandon the market place.

[2tallbill]

Is that too much to ask?

I've tried resurrecting old threads (I just did several today) to see if there is
any new information or insights on them. You could do the same.

[fathertime]

Fast-forward, the driving impetus behind those (un)fortunate events slowly dissipated. Life and country got better. Even the likes of atypical Russian women wised-up and in many of these MOB-nations. MOB industries began to abandon the market place.

From what I've seen most US men don't have the guts for what they feel is the risk involved.  I've seen some horrid marriages over the past few years, most men just live in misery with a woman that doesn't like/respect them, or they find unattractive, or both.  Too fearful to take the step they would like to take.  I tell them I'd rather be dead then in that type of marriage for very long.  The one friend that is finally getting divorced found an equally horrid 'girlfriend' that he states is abusive towards him.  He adores my wife and entertains the idea of going to Colombia, but just can't muster the get up and go to get on a plane.    Perhaps the golden era of the early internet flushed out most of the men/risk takers, and now it will be a slower trickle from here on out. 

Fathertime! 

[Trenchcoat]

Unfortunately many of those youtube videos are made by agencies that we warn against. On a forum, people can discuss different idea which is a good thing. Google has been suppressing free speech and opposing ideas. Many big tech companies are in bed with each other. I wouldn't doubt a guy searching for answers on google will be pointed to youtube and facebook over forums.

This is true, there are a lot of agency and similar stuff on You Tube. Many start off by offering 'helpful advice' but then if not straight away but eventually roll into 'their services'.

I'm not saying all the advice they give is bull often some decent advice that is genuine is offered up but that it ends up being given to make the listener want to trust in the services given. While I think so e of those that have set up in agency/mentoring capacities had initially decent & honest intentions the need to make money always seems to end up being the big pull. May not necessarily mean the agency/mentor types have got greedy just that they we'd to earn a certain amount of money to get by and make their operation work possibly. Always has seemed to be the case that every agency that starts off with good intentions out there ends up perhaps not quite so over time.

Most recent thing I have seen on YouTube are several Agencies/Mentors/Advisors etc offering their 'clients' personal love tours, meet ups with so many women over the course of a few days for several thousand dollars/euros/or pounds. I personally don't see that as a workable business model to any guy with a but of sense. Main thing is the guy would have no idea if the girls he is meeting haven't just been offered a nice big financial inducement to meet him (out of the few thousand dollars he paid). So he could be paying a lot of money for set ups. They tend to guarantee a guy will meet so many women which makes it more fishy to my mind. End of the day no amount of money can guarantee a guy will love so paying thousands is a ridiculous way to go to my mind.

[Trenchcoat]

He adores my wife and entertains the idea of going to Colombia, but just can't muster the get up and go to get on a plane.    Perhaps the golden era of the early internet flushed out most of the men/risk takers, and now it will be a slower trickle from here on out. 

Fathertime!

With your wife??? LOL

Seriously I don't know why US guys go all the way to the FSU when South America is in their back yard. Fine if they have a really strong pull for a FSW but it's one hell of a long journey to make. I once met a Brazilian girl at work, she was scorching hot and unfortunately for me had been imported by another English guy and set to marry. I seemed to get some initial interest but don't think I had the wealth & status she was looking for. Even still if Brazil was in my back yard I would be going there, outside of present virus situation at least. Looking at her apart from being facially pretty, nice big boobs, a good figure and a nice height she was also quite white looking. Aside from her accent that was quite nice you wouldn't be able to tell that she was from a different culture that easy until she spoke. Nice dark hair and facial features but generally white skin, slightly tanned possibly but nothing really noticeable. So yeah while the FSU has its interests to a US guy it puts him a hell of a lot out of his way getting there compared to a quick flight to South America.

[Maxx2]

It was supposed to be about a brotherhood and watching each other's backs. Giving good advice and so on. 

[fathertime]

With your wife??? LOL

It's ok, I can't blame him, he is a male so what do you expect!   He sees the potential, 6'5", full head of hair, he would be a huge hit overseas, but coming out of a divorce to an equally unacceptable 'girlfriend'. 

Seriously I don't know why US guys go all the way to the FSU when South America is in their back yard. Fine if they have a really strong pull for a FSW but it's one hell of a long journey to make. I once met a Brazilian girl at work, she was scorching hot and unfortunately for me had been imported by another English guy and set to marry. I seemed to get some initial interest but don't think I had the wealth & status she was looking for. Even still if Brazil was in my back yard I would be going there, outside of present virus situation at least. Looking at her apart from being facially pretty, nice big boobs, a good figure and a nice height she was also quite white looking. Aside from her accent that was quite nice you wouldn't be able to tell that she was from a different culture that easy until she spoke. Nice dark hair and facial features but generally white skin, slightly tanned possibly but nothing really noticeable. So yeah while the FSU has its interests to a US guy it puts him a hell of a lot out of his way getting there compared to a quick flight to South America.

Brazil, Colombia, you can find ladies of all colors.  Mine is on the rather dark side, but I was open to any color really if the other attributes were there.   Most men just don't have what it takes to put together a plan.  If I were to inventory a group of my friends from their 30's to their mid 50's now, it would be a story of missed opportunities for them.  Many have remained (Somewhat unhappily) single, yet they let opportunity pass by all these years, now decades.  If you were one of my friends in life, I've always felt you were a fake poster just cheerfully messing with the boys here, but if not, I might have to put you in that same category as many of my friends.   

Fathertime! 

[civi68]

Although I debate about politics elsewhere, I am tired of political discussions here. If people on here want political debates, move it to FB or private email! The carrying on going on in politics won't end anytime soon so don't bring it here. One of the benefits of traveling to the FSU is you can get away from that stuff for a while.
     I don't post as much due to not traveling for many years. I definitely don't see as much interest in FSU dating/marriage compared to the 90's to early 2000's. My interest diminished as I got older compared to when it was pretty much my life for 10 great years.
     With decades of FSU dating both the men and women see that that this can be risky. Or maybe it never was a great success for many even in the early days but internet communication was less common? Other changes also affected this search such as some women's situations have improved, guys have gotten older, men have to compete with more foreign men traveling there, and younger guys not having as much money or interest in marriage.

[2tallbill]

I am tired of political discussions here.

When was the last time you made an on topic post? There are actual forum related
threads and you don't join them or participate in them. I have recently commented
on more than a half dozen on topic FSUW related threads. You have commented on
zero of them.

[GenMish]

Lots of people here NOW, have tried to go back on topic like all the threads Bill brought back. But there is just a bit of enthusiasm for those threads. I check in from time to time, and will post if I can offer an experience that helps the conversation

[Boethius]

From what I've seen most US men don't have the guts for what they feel is the risk involved.  I've seen some horrid marriages over the past few years, most men just live in misery with a woman that doesn't like/respect them, or they find unattractive, or both.  Too fearful to take the step they would like to take.  I tell them I'd rather be dead then in that type of marriage for very long.  The one friend that is finally getting divorced found an equally horrid 'girlfriend' that he states is abusive towards him.  He adores my wife and entertains the idea of going to Colombia, but just can't muster the get up and go to get on a plane.    Perhaps the golden era of the early internet flushed out most of the men/risk takers, and now it will be a slower trickle from here on out. 

You don't know the intricacies of anyone's marriage.  It's all guesswork, coloured by your own experiences. 


If a man is consistently in abusive relationships, that won't change because of a different locale.  He needs therapy to determine why he chooses abusive partners.

[tfcrew]

  I am tired of political discussions here.

Then just don't read them...simple as that.

[fathertime]

You don't know the intricacies of anyone's marriage.  It's all guesswork, coloured by your own experiences. 

No one would know all the intricacies of a marriage, although I've heard and seen firsthand enough to  make some calls.  My own personal bias plays a roll too of course. 

If a man is consistently in abusive relationships, that won't change because of a different locale.  He needs therapy to determine why he chooses abusive partners.

I'd have to agree to an extent.  In the case of my buddy, he is a damn fool for his most recent choice.  He has no shame in stating he was desperate.  He has been in a largely sexless marriage for nearly 25 years.  He is a good looking guy with a lot of options, and he seemingly he chosen one of the worst ones, in part because he was getting sexed up a bit.  Now he is trying to let the whole thing go, yet can't muster the courage.   He would probably be a good candidate for an overseas lady if he had a little tutelage from the likes of someone like Trenchcoat. 

Fathertime! 

[ML]

Seriously I don't know why US guys go all the way to the FSU when South America is in their back yard. Fine if they have a really strong pull for a FSW but it's one hell of a long journey to make.

I think you are confusing South America with Mexico.

South America is not in the back yard of USA.

Sure, some of the places in South America look to be quite a bit closer to USA than FSU in terms of miles . . .

but when you take into consideration available flights, connections, etc., I would suspect the time to get to each is not that big of a difference.

However, more of a consideration than distance are other features that make many FSUW more appealing than most from South America . . . even if you could find a light complexioned woman in SA.

[Trenchcoat]

Most men just don't have what it takes to put together a plan.  If I were to inventory a group of my friends from their 30's to their mid 50's now, it would be a story of missed opportunities for them.  Many have remained (Somewhat unhappily) single, yet they let opportunity pass by all these years, now decades.  If you were one of my friends in life, I've always felt you were a fake poster just cheerfully messing with the boys here, but if not, I might have to put you in that same category as many of my friends.   

Fathertime!

If I was to cite one reason why I would procrastinate I would say it's because I would fear getting with a woman and her wreaking my life, taking kids, taking house etc. On the other hand I can see that the right woman could enhance you're life and make it more joyful. Some may seem like that at first but then turn sour of course. My guess is that your friends fall into the category that they fear a woman wreaking what they have and becoming even more miserable.

I've been out to the FSU several times now, I'm not taking anything and have no need too. At the moment I am sorting out what to do. My visits have pretty much been visit ones but I know the downsides of that. I now have a better idea on the type of girl I want and think I can do a meet many with 3 or 4 girls in a few weeks time. If I can't get that into fruition then I'm going to have to reassess things. Possibly I can get out there early next year for a longer period as my house will be done to rent out sone rooms by then, finally!

Main thing is that I need to find a girl that can work with me, my guess is that your friends may have the same hang up and feel it may not be all that possible to find.

[Trenchcoat]

but to contradict Trench just a bit of the small amount I did bother to read..

I know of about 20 girls (well women) only in Kyiv-area that is looking for a foreign husband, not only- but they expanded their search to include foreign, especially since they see how me and Tanya is very happy together and the life we are building.

They are all in 25-40 range, all of them but one - without a child. All of them have work (that I know of) and can survive there, but want to find that allusive thing called love. Build a strong happy family and just live a life.
3 of them previously married but all divorced because the hubby looked to the left and found someone younger to fool around with. Still a very common thing over there.. infidelity. 
 
They refuse to use free sites like Fdating because "everyone is a f*cking pervert only asking for camsex or nudes"

All of them can be found on monthly sites like dmnotify/cuteonly, don't remember the other ones used. A couple of them are registered to Marriage agency's that place them on sites like Anastasia also, but none of them uses that site after everything I told them about it. They still get requests through the agency.

There is still a lot of men going there and hiring marriage agency's, one of the girls, she is 29 - has on average 2-3 requests for dates per week, a little down now with covid ofc.. but many many middle east people still travel to Ukraine in the midst of the pandemic to seek a wife.
Ukrainian girls are of highest value there.

But they use primarily the monthly pay sites on my recommendation, where they at least are a little "protected" from the worst perverts, and cheap poor ones, like you Trench

My impression of Cute Only is that they use agencies in addition to letting individual girls sign up. A lot of the photos use professional photos and while some non agency women do that seeing many photos like that tends to raise suspicion. Also they don't tell you when the lady was last on so it could be a lot of time wasted trying to communicate with girls that are either agency girls or have stopped checking in long ago. Many girls can have a fair amount of profile write up and while again non-agency girls do that I tend to see it as more of an agency thing.

Dmnotify is ok but they don't seem to have anywhere for a write up. Write ups are handy when they are done. I tend to feel that all profiles submitted should have a few words as a mandatory minimum. Thing with Dmnotify they use a load of check boxes for hobbies etc and while that has its benefits it's kind of cutting a person short on its own I think. Still it has its upsides they apparently do passport checks and you can see when they were last on there so it avoids wasting time.

[GQBlues]

If I was to cite one reason why I would procrastinate I would say it's because I would fear getting with a woman

 

[fathertime]

If I was to cite one reason why I would procrastinate I would say it's because I would fear getting with a woman and her wreaking my life, taking kids, taking house etc. On the other hand I can see that the right woman could enhance you're life and make it more joyful. Some may seem like that at first but then turn sour of course. My guess is that your friends fall into the category that they fear a woman wreaking what they have and becoming even more miserable.

Procrastinate at this point is giving up, and in your case before you started.  As to my buddy, he was just being impulsively stupid since he had been virtually sexless for 25 years. 

Fathertime! 

[civi68]

When was the last time you made an on topic post?

I haven't been as active compared to the past. I post if I have something to add if it has not already been said. Many posters respond to a topic where I would have said the same.
    But I agree with the original poster that it would be good to get back to more FSU posts and less political. It's not just about don't read the political posts if you don't want but about the overall posting atmosphere. The original poster made a valid point that the board is different from years ago with the politics and I agree.

[2tallbill]

The original poster made a valid point that the board is different from years
ago with the politics and I agree.

We don't have newbies asking questions any more, that's the difference.

[Maxx2]

I said it before. I will say it again. The purpose of these boards was to help our fellow man to find true true love and happiness. Will I get a quote? Probably not

[ML]

I said it before. I will say it again. The purpose of these boards was to help our fellow man to find true true love and happiness. Will I get a quote? Probably not

OK Max, but hate to prove you wrong.

[Sailor291]

I’ve tried posting questions concerning travel to Ukraine and gotten almost no response or responses unrelated to my question.  Recently I posted about my most recent trip to Ukraine and our Covid experiences there and during the return.  I think I got 2 responses.  This leads me to believe guys here are no longer interested.  Maybe the way I write does not seem interesting, I know I am no novelist.  It sure looks however that when somebody makes a political post the board seems to go crazy. 

In the case of my original post about the purpose of this board, I think at least some members noticed.  In that case it makes me feel somewhat better about it. 

I don’t say this to brag, ok maybe a little, but my wife and I have been married over 22 years and I am proud of that.  I want to share my experiences and hear of others marital successes.  I also want to hear about your travel experiences to the FSU and Ukraine specifically.  I hope I have made my point and not come across as pretentious. I certainly don’t intend to.

I wish all of you success. 

[ML]

Good post Sailor, and good English !!

[Trenchcoat]

I think it's not that we don't wish to talk about FSW and FSU dating but that the current situation has made a lot of that almost pointless. In fact I'm surprised we have had the posts we have had on it over the last year or so. Japs (DK) came forth with his experiences out there and that was like a breath of fresh air. Brownbeard was it also came forth with his experiences in Odessa and upcoming wedding.

Then we had a couple of newbie posts, one from some guy who was concerned about his weight. Another post was from a old member who was concerned about returning old photos to a lady he has visited. Most recent post has been from a guy who supposedly did not clue into his lady (if it is a she) being a scammer.

I'm not saying that any of these newbie or similar type of threads was dealt with badly. I think that while these posters might have gotten a different answer than they had hoped for it was the right answer they received. I don't know how they felt about their experience on here. I don't mind a bit of a joke at my expense especially if I have done something silly. My guess is that many people upon receiving the answer while it may not have been the answer they had hoped for it kind of concludes the situation for them. They just never seem to thank us once we help the penny drop for them, they just kind of disappear. Even if we state not to get disillusioned and try again I'm not so sure if many do, perhaps they feel out of their depth. I know when I first started here there was so much information and members seemed to know so much that it seemed almost overwhelming. My guess is that most don't stick it out and give up. I think there are a lot of people around that when they discover something is not going to fall into their lap that  they don't wish to pursue it further.

Possibly Dan/Admin could email recent posters and find out their feelings on it all.

I think in general if we look at many of the members here it is fair to say that from just looking at their occupation it's stuff where they are not the type to give up in order to succeed. Many of the guts that try FSU dating at random I'm guessing are probably not as driven as that.

Now that flights have resumed we may get a little more FSU posts over time. Before the pandemic I think it is fair to say that we got more than we have done over the past year. I'm not so sure the political posts alter the amount of FSU posts we get as they generally stay in the Odds & Ends sections and newbies don't bother with that stuff. I just think aside from the pandemic there is just less posts than there used to be going say a decade or so ago (when I briefly popped in). I'm not sure why possibly some bad stereotypes of FSW and their intents may have put guys off over time. My guess is possibly for US guys most go to South America as its way nearer so just makes sense. UK guys I never really think going for FSW has caught in big time, a fair few have do e but in general in society guys seem to think they just have UK women to choose from and that's it. I've suggested it on other forums and either it seems to get ignored or some seem to think they are just after guys with money.

So that's about it really, my guess is either newbies leave with a bad impression of FSW once we tell them the problem and think they are all bad or word has spread giving people the idea that FSW are bad from word of mouth, stereotypes, publicised bad news stories and still not knowing/being afraid of the area really.

[JohnDearGreen]

I should also guess that looking for and joining a discussion forum like this is kinda yesterdays news..
Now everything is on youtube, hell half the younger gen cant even read two sentences in a row without getting a headache.
If it's not on youtube or google, it doesn't exist almost..

Yes, vlogging seems to be the fad now.  A golf BBS I participate in is also having very low activity.  Below is a video of a Turkish friend of Johnny FD marrying a Kharkiv lady.   She is also a vlogger.  Johnny FD,  Harold Baldr,  Bald&Bankrupt all seem to be traveling around Ukraine without issues or worries of Covid.