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I formally request that the topic "The End of Europe" be closed and locked.
The subject title is too gloomy and undesirable.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21145.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21145.0)
I do anticipate a radical transformation of western Europe in the near future.
Paul Krugman posted an interesting note (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/30/when-europe-stumbled/?_r=0)a few weeks ago that deserves a lot more attention. He shows this graph of real GDP per working age adult for the U.S. and Europe, and notes that the U.S. and European recoveries from the great recession were similar at first by this measure (that is, adjusting for population growth):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-weisbrot/the-high-cost-of-transfor_b_10339366.html
The High Cost of Transforming Europe: Why Europe Stumbled 06/07/2016 01:27 pm ET | Updated Jun 08, 2016
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-06-07-1465320253-5936851-Krugmangraph1-thumb.png)
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will that be, "the end of the end...", or the beginning of something else? us trolls gotta know in advance and earn our meager troll salaries
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Czech government tells its citizens how to fight terrorists: Shoot them yourselves
A couple of months ago, Czech President Milos Zeman made an unusual request: He urged citizens to arm themselves against a possible "super-Holocaust" carried out by Muslim terrorists.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/06/czech-government-tells-its-citizens-how-to-fight-terrorists-shoot-them-yourselves/?postshare=9101483878416698&tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.26308f0d236a
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The relationship between Poland and Ukraine.
Wife said that today...some Polish people told her that Ukraine is now nothing but gangsters.
How do they know? Beats me.
So anyway I looked up the history.....
Has Ukraine ever had any good leadership?
http://www.ucm.es/data/cont/media/www/pag-78913/UNISCIDP40-4AndrzejSzeptycki.pdf
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Western Ukraine had good leadership under the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, before they handed de facto rule to the Poles.
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Look At Germany's Tribute To The Victims of Yesterday's Terrorist Attack in Israel
On Sunday, four Israelis were killed (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2017/01/08/isis-blamed-for-attack-in-jerusalem-killing-4-and-injuring-15-others-n2268582) when a truck driven by a jihadist plowed into a crowd of soldiers. On Monday, Berlin's Brandenburg Gate featured a projection of the Israeli flag as a show of solidarity.
http://rznhhawpibbipwahhnzr.wallstreetbusinessnetwork.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/01/09/wow-look-at-germanys-tribute-to-the-victims-of-yesterdays-terrorist-attack-in-israel-n2269009
(http://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/uploads/2017/1/9/3.png)
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Brexit ruling: Article 50 vote must go before Parliament, Supreme Court judges rule
Britain's top judges today crushed Theresa May’s bid to fire the starting gun for Britain to quit the EU without a new law passed by Parliament.
In a historic judgment, the Supreme Court rejected her argument that royal prerogative powers could be used to trigger Article 50 to start the two-year process to split from the European Union.
The ruling, by eight to three, plunged the Prime Minister into battle against MPs and peers seeking to shackle her over the Brexit deal to be agreed with other EU nations.
The verdict is a humiliating blow to the Government, especially to Leave ministers who had championed the role of Parliament during the EU referendum campaign yet argued that it did not need to be given a say over Article 50.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-ruling-article-50-vote-must-go-before-parliament-supreme-court-judges-rule-a3447716.html
& here I thought the citizenry had already voted to get out :popcorn:
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tfcrew
Seeing as you posted the link - why didn't you read the basis of the legal case ?
Yes, 'we' voted to leave the EU...
...But..
The Court case was to ensure the govt couldn't implement Article - without agreeing a path with Parliament ..They did not have the right to claim 'Royal Prerogative'
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tfcrew
Seeing as you posted the link - why didn't you read the basis of the legal case ?
Yes, 'we' voted to leave the EU...
...But..
The Court case was to ensure the govt couldn't implement Article - without agreeing a path with Parliament ..They did not have the right to claim 'Royal Prerogative'
Apparently ...'Royal Prerogative' is a British thing so I have no warranted understanding of this.
From the article...
Parliament alone is sovereign.
In the USA the people alone is sovereign ;)
We do have people like this Gina Miller person....ie Chas Schumer, Nancy Pelosi , Liz Warren, Gloria Steinem and such [won't mention a former dem pres candidate]
My wife called these people Marxist-Leninists last night but I said that it isn't right to insult Karl Marx and Vlad Lenin like that.
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Tfcrew
I can't comment on your good lady as you are only 'quoting her' ,,but if you both believe the above - then, it's a ''British thing so I have no warranted understanding of this." applies.. You are posting DAFT ..
Strangely, enough we have a Canadian member who has a better grasp of the legal case .. and she isn't Brass ;)
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Update
Someone who wishes to b nameless - for now pointed out that my explanation re Article 50 was incorrect
''I believe you misinterpreted the High Court's Brexit decision.
As part of the EU, the UK is bound by EU treaties. These are in addition to laws of the UK, but generally grant UK citizens additional rights. They can, to some extent, be ameliorated by the UK Parliament if it so chooses, even in the absence of Brexit. There are broadly three categories of legal rights in the UK, as affected by EU laws (and identified by the Court):
1. Rights capable of replication in UK law;
2. Rights derived by UK citizens from EU law in other member states; and
3. Rights of participation in EU institutions that could not be replicated in UK law.
On a Brexit, EU laws will no longer apply in the UK.
The Conservative government argued that it did not have to introduce legislation in Parliament before commencing negotiation son Brexit, because it was invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, and it is the prerogative of the Crown to withdraw from treaties. In Britain and most other commonwealth countries, the prerogative of the Crown means the executive branch (cabinet, including the Prime Minister) can do certain things without prior parliamentary legislation. However, in the UK, it is well established in law that ministers cannot make laws."
I hope this person will not remain an infrequent observer ..
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14 detained in Islamist-linked raids in Austrian cities of Vienna & Graz Published time: 26 Jan, 2017 12:20Edited time: 26 Jan, 2017 16:01
Austrian police have arrested 14 people in anti-terrorist raids conducted in Vienna and Graz, the country’s APA news agency reports, citing officials. Police and units from the Office for Protection of the Constitution carried (http://derstandard.at/2000051538522/Anti-Terroreinsaetze-in-mehreren-Bundeslaendern) out multiple anti-terrorist raids targeting “extreme Salafists,” starting Thursday morning.
(http://cdn.rt.com/files/2017.01/thumbnail/5888aab0c36188da1f8b458b.jpg) (http://www.rt.com/news/375050-austrian-teenager-test-bomb/)
Teen suspected of plotting attack in Vienna says he built ‘test bomb’
The raids were conducted “in the context of pending investigations concerning suspected participation in a terrorist organization [Islamic State/IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL],” APA (Austria Presse Agentur) news agency writes, citing officials.
Among the detained are three Austrians with a migration background, two persons from Bosnia, one Syrian, a Bulgarian and a Macedonian, APA writes, citing the Prosecutor’s Office. The men are all between 21 and 49 years old, with four of them detained in Vienna and four in Graz.
In addition to the eight arrests, police apprehended three more men from the former Yugoslavia in Graz. According to the Kurier (http://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/anti-terroreinsaetze-in-wien-und-graz/243.118.223) news outlet, the three men allegedly tried to establish a radical Islamist organization and to recruit members for the group.
http://www.rt.com/news/375149-eight-detained-austria-isis-raids/
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The attacker was wearing two backpacks and may have had a second weapon, Cadot said. He was seriously injured by a bullet to the stomach. One soldier was slightly injured on the scalp.No explosives were found in the two backpacks of the man, who was conscious when he was taken into custody, Cadot said.The attacker has been taken to a Paris hospital for treatment, CNN's French affiliate BFM-TV reported. He was not carrying identity documents and was not in a fit state to be questioned, it said.Another person was also arrested, the French Interior Ministry said, although it was not immediately clear whether he or she was connected to the attack.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/europe/france-paris-louvre-incident/
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tfcrew
If I started a thread on violent death in the USA v Europe - who would be posting more often ?
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tfcrew
If I started a thread on violent death in the USA v Europe - who would be posting more often ?
There is/was already a thread.. it was locked [for some reason]
Another take on the gun violence in America (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=19723.msg406957#msg406957)
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=19723.0
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I just saw a report on this.................
Art-loving mafia mobster's collection in Italy show The prized art collection of a mafia boss, confiscated by Italian police, has gone on show in Calabria in an exhibition billed as a "victory of the state" over organised crime.
Two paintings by Spanish great Salvador Dali feature in the collection of 125 works seized from mob businessman Gioacchino Campolo, dubbed the "King of Videopoker" after he built up a vast fortune by running tampered slot machines.
"Today we can say the state has won," Eduardo Lamberti Castronuovo, culture and legality assessor in Reggio Calabria, told AFP.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/art-loving-mafia-mobster-s-collection-in-italy-show/article/464991
(http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/1/0/4/8/0/9/3/i/2/9/6/p-large/eb9d68f1b699db68ca07471d845410619f915671.jpg) |
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tfcrew
If I started a thread on violent death in the USA v Europe - who would be posting more often ?
There's a good chap..Please don't deflect.
I couldn't keep up, as the violent deaths are MUCH greater in the US
Just hoping for perspective:)
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OK start a thread only ....Jihdi attacks in America [being Islamic infiltrators]
....not home grown violence.
And I will, as I have done, report only those cases in Europe.
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OK start a thread only ....Jihdi attacks in America [being Islamic infiltrators]
....not home grown violence.
And I will, as I have done, report only those cases in Europe.
Nah, I'll just post the violent murders your side of the pond v mine and folks can judge how DAFT your 'European promotional' portrayals are..
''The United States has about six violent deaths per 100,000 residents. None of the 16 other countries included in the review came anywhere close to that ratio. Finland was closest to the U.S. ranking with slightly more than two violent deaths per 100,000 residents.''
''Homicide, they noted, is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 15-24. The large majority of those homicides involve firearms.''
Would these stats make me decide not to bring the kids to Disneyworld? - no.. they didn't..
Some more perspective..
Welcome to Europe ... it's safer than home :))
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Nah, I'll just post the violent murders your side of the pond v mine
You can do that.
However ...the Jihadi stuff seems to be a paramount problem as Machete Muhammed shuts down
Paris' museum is news.
Black thug wars in Chicago??........... ehhh -no one seems to care.
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You can do that.
However ...the Jihadi stuff seems to be a paramount problem as Machete Muhammed shuts down
Paris' museum is news.
Black thug wars in Chicago??........... ehhh -no one seems to care.
1/ Was the Louvre open, today ? ..
2/ How many white wack-jobs have gone on shooting sprees in schools / colleges ?
None of them are 'no-go' areas ... There's no accounting for wack-jobs
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Q1/ Was the Louvre open, today ? ..
A/ I don't know. I didn't go.
Q2/ How many white wack-jobs have gone on shooting sprees in schools / colleges ?
A/ The Virginia Tech massacre was an Asian guy. [sad]
Don't forget churches, military bases, nightclubs and municipal buildings.
Not all wack-jobs are shooting guns...[yet]
But so far, smashing school property, starting fires and screaming.
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http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/02/03/20/36/paris-louvre-museum-evacuated-after-soldier-reportedly-opens-fire-on-suspected-knife-attacker (http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/02/03/20/36/paris-louvre-museum-evacuated-after-soldier-reportedly-opens-fire-on-suspected-knife-attacker)
YES, the Louvre was open again - NOT - a 'no-go' area ... Just like the Schools / Colleges in the USA that have been the subject of 'native' - white Americans
http://www.inquisitr.com/441261/ten-deadliest-school-massacres-in-united-states-history/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/441261/ten-deadliest-school-massacres-in-united-states-history/)
'We' in the UK have had 'wack-job' do this at a school ... Tennis no.1 Andy Murray was at school that day..
The only difference ... Folks had to give up their guns or have 'em locked up at shooting clubs
'interesting' that it was YOU that introduced race into this, tfcrew
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(http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/02/03/20/36/paris-louvre-museum-evacuated-after-soldier-reportedly-opens-fire-on-suspected-knife-attacker)
'interesting' that it was YOU that introduced race into this, tfcrew
Why is it 'interesting'?
I believe you mentioned WHITE whack-jobs so what are you...green?
It is a fact here in the USA....
- Data shows that 93 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks. ...
- According to Riley, "Blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do."
More items... (http://www.dailywire.com/news/7441/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler)7 Statistics You Need To Know About Black-On-Black Crime | Daily Wire (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjezMDktffRAhVDy2MKHYiBBR8QFggdMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2F7441%2F7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler&usg=AFQjCNHYnEEB2l3jyHl0_8YyhOh9WFg-YQ&bvm=bv.146094739,d.cGc)(http://ff.kis.scr.kaspersky-labs.com/14410DD9EBC4-2ADB-041D-9F70-76B8F110/ua/UrlAdvisorGoodImage.png)
I guess be glad you live in [relatively] crime free Europe.
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Why is it 'interesting'?
I believe you mentioned WHITE whack-jobs so what are you...green?
Again, YOU introduced race into the equation - my riposte was to belittle your racist one ..
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Again, YOU introduced race into the equation - my riposte was to belittle your racist one ..
:offtopic: and feeble
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Merkel welcomes May's ambition for a strong Europe
German chancellor Angela Merkel has welcomed Theresa May's remarks that Britain wants to see a strong Europe - even as it prepares to quit the EU.
The prime minister told EU leaders she wanted to build a "strong partnership" with the EU and pledged the UK would be a "good friend and ally" post-Brexit.
But Mrs May was forced to defend her decision to seek a close relationship with US President Donald Trump.
EU leaders have voiced concern over his perceived hostility towards the union.
Mrs May used a summit of EU Nato leaders in the Maltese capital of Valletta to build alliances ahead of Brexit and to brief her counterparts about her recent visit to the White House to meet Mr Trump.
She pledged a further £30m to help with the EU migrant crisis, with the UK providing medical care, temporary shelter and legal support to 60,000 refugees in Greece, Egypt and across the Balkans, while helping to reunite up to 22,000 people with their families.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38849868
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race ... racist
BTW isn't your new profile signature [shown below] racist? Maybe you should remove...it
The truth about how Moby wants 'Muslim' women to dress in the UK (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/smiley.gif)(http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8554/28858204784_e83250b39c_m.jpg)
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BTW isn't your new profile signature [shown below] racist? Maybe you should remove...it
:)) Touché
Possibly so ... but it isn't aimed at you !
I'll leave it there a little while longer - as you'd never guess - we have a poster or two amongst us who think my having followers of the Prophet as mates and going to their nations for hols (e.g. Turkey) means I want all ladies to wear black Hijabs ;))
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"Muslim" isn't a race.
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"Muslim" isn't a race.
a fair bit of conditioning's been going down ...
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Many Europeans think it important to welcome Trump. This is the welcome message from the Netherlands. To facilitate understanding, the Dutch wrote their welcome using Trump's own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc&app=desktop
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Not to be outdone by the Netherlands, Germany also produced a video for why it is second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sq-VPDtNK4
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In fact, there may be a message from each European nation expressing why they are second. This is a compilation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRUWAxLbFdU
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Brilliant, Gator ! :)
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"Muslim" isn't a race.
And technically 'Mexican' isn't a race but when there is an objection to their illegal entry into the USA they call it 'Racism' 8)
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Netanyahu’s visit comes amid tensions between UK and EU over Israel EU leaders are concerned that Theresa May could soften UK’s opposition to settlements as she seeks closer ties with Donald Trump
Benjamin Netanyahu to push Theresa May on backing stance on Iran (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/05/benjamin-netanyahu-theresa-may-stance-iran-israel-trump)
Sunday 5 February 2017 11.55 EST Last modified on Sunday 5 February 2017 12.24 EST
A call by the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu (http://www.theguardian.com/world/benjamin-netanyahu), for tougher action against Iran and in defence of his West Bank settlement programme during a visit to Downing Street on Monday is likely to highlight the growing tensions between a British foreign policy orientated to Washington and Theresa May’s need to retain good relations with the European Union before Brexit.
European leaders at their Malta summit on Friday voiced fears that Trump is content to see the break-up of the EU and are wary that May, in search of post-Brexit allies, will be tempted to side with Trump and Netanyahu either by softening UK opposition to the settlements or even by calling for the Iranian nuclear deal signed in July 2015 to be revisited.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/05/netanyahus-visit-comes-amid-tensions-between-uk-and-eu-over-israel
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Ah,
'evidence' that so called 'Brexit' didn't mean Independence for the UK ... 'We' need to suck up to the USA, now ? ;)
Isn't it time Naughty Netty was in the nick for corruption ?
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Tess's Tory Tizz ......
Theresa May (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/theresamay) is unlikely to concede to any demand to change the terms of parliament’s vote on the final Brexit deal despite facing a possible Conservative revolt over the issue.
A government source told the Guardian that calls for British MPs to be given a vote on the deal before it goes to the European parliament, and to be handed a say if no agreement is hammered out (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/23/theresa-may-should-renegotiate-brexit-deal-if-mps-reject-it-labour), were not practical.
The prime minister was keen to accommodate Tory demands but suggested that this move would “hamstring” the government in negotiations with the EU27, the source said.
They also argued it could plunge the government into “perpetual Brexit purgatory” if deals were repeatedly rejected.
The comments came in response to the suggestion that up to a dozen Conservative MPs are considering lining up with opposition parties, including Labour, on the issue this week.
PM 'unlikely to change terms' of parliament vote on final Brexit deal Theresa May believes allowing a vote on deal before it is presented to MEPs could ‘hamstring’ government, source says
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/05/theresa-may-unlikely-change-terms-parliament-vote-final-brexit-deal
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ER, tfcrew
we already discussed the UK Supreme Court case and established you didn't 'get' it ..
There was no need to confirm your status hasn't changed...
May is now trying to get her Bill through Parliament - without amendments ..
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(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201702/f_lon_jubilee_queen_65_170205.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg) Queen Elizabeth Jubilee Celebrates 65 Years 5:24 LONDON — Princess Elizabeth was never meant to become queen, let alone the longest-serving monarch in the storied history of British royalty.
Her father, in fact, was never meant to become king.
But on Monday, after nearly a lifetime of service to country and crown, Elizabeth II will commemorate her 65th anniversary as queen. She will become the only British monarch ever to celebrate her Sapphire Jubilee.
It is a role that most Britons — whether royalist or republican — would agree that she has fulfilled with caution, dignity and an unending sense of duty.
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Well now, tfcrew
What a positive article:)
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(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201702/f_lon_jubilee_queen_65_170205.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg) Queen Elizabeth Jubilee Celebrates 65 Years 5:24 LONDON — Princess Elizabeth was never meant to become queen, let alone the longest-serving monarch in the storied history of British royalty.
Her father, in fact, was never meant to become king.
But on Monday, after nearly a lifetime of service to country and crown, Elizabeth II will commemorate her 65th anniversary as queen. She will become the only British monarch ever to celebrate her Sapphire Jubilee.
It is a role that most Britons — whether royalist or republican — would agree that she has fulfilled with caution, dignity and an unending sense of duty.
I hope she will 'retire' soon and give Charlie a chance before he dies.
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give Charlie a chance
A chance to what?
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Shine... ?
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(http://cdn1-europe1.new2.ladmedia.fr/var/europe1/storage/images/europe1/politique/municipales-penelope-fillon-sur-une-liste-dans-la-sarthe-928904/18637336-1-fre-FR/Municipales-Penelope-Fillon-sur-une-liste-dans-la-Sarthe.jpg)
Allegations surrounding embattled French right-wing presidential candidate, Francois Fillon continue to roll in. Following the bogus-jobs-scandal dubbed ‘Penelope-gate’, the satirical newspaper Le Canard Enchainé has reported that Fillon’s wife, Penelope, was given a further 45,000 EUR, in severance pay on top of around 850,000 EUR in salary for a job she may never have done.Their headline reads “Yet more proof that Fillon can encaisse“ a word meaning both ‘cash in’ and ‘endure hardship’.
Meanwhile, Nicolas Sarkozy, the man who was President of France while M. Fillon was Prime Minister has a financial scandal of his own to answer for. A judge has ordered him to stand trial amid allegations that his party illegally falsified accounts to hide around 18 million EUR earmarked for his failed 2012 bid for re-election.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/07/french-presidential-campaign-mired-in-scandal
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Donald Trump told he won’t escape the ‘biggest protest in British history’ by moving his state visit
Local politicians in Birmingham have pledged to greet any trip by the President with mass protests
Donald Trump’s state visit will be greeted by the biggest anti-racism protest in British history no matter where in the country the Government moves it to, campaigners have said.
Local politicians and activists in Birmingham reacted with anger to suggestions that the trip could be relocated to their city – and pledged to flood the streets with protesters to greet the “hateful” President.
The idea of moving the protest to avoid demonstrations in London has reportedly been suggested to the White House, with a rally at the National Exhibition Centre apparently on the cards.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-state-visit-protest-stop-trump-uk-britain-protest-birmingham-owen-jones-a7576211.html
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Once a freeloader, always a freeloader. After all that Euro bravado we constantly hear, these guys can't/won't even pay their silly NATO bills.
Watching this morning's press briefings in Brussels, a reporter even dared to ask what will the US plan to do if deadbeat, freeloading nations decided to continue to not meet their commitment to the alliance? Seem rather stupid to me how these socialists nations keep bragging about how wonderful their systems are despite skipping through their basic obligations they AGREED TO.
This was never a negotiation. This was an agreement by committee.
As broke as Greece had been, they are at least decent enough to meet their alliance obligation. As do Poland. Countries like Germany or France are simply freeloading losers all these years. France, the bigger slacker of all. (BTW, France shouldn't even be in the UNSC, since they technically didn't win WW II. If anything, that seat belongs to Australia or Canada).
Germany is looking at $ 67.2 billion/yr, while France is at $ 48.4 billion/yr. How far behind they are in their total obligations may actually be bigger than their annual share.
Abolish the UN and scrap NATO. Let these guys on their own and let them start cannibalizing each other again.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/15/news/nato-spending-countries/
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Once a freeloader, always a freeloader. After all that Euro bravado we constantly hear, these guys can't/won't even pay their silly NATO bills.
Is the USA up to date ? I only ask as they are on 'stop credit' with the UN ..
Watching this morning's press briefings in Brussels, a reporter even dared to ask what will the US plan to do if deadbeat, freeloading nations decided to continue to not meet their commitment to the alliance? Seem rather stupid to me how these socialists nations keep bragging about how wonderful their systems are despite skipping through their basic obligations they AGREED TO.
This was never a negotiation. This was an agreement by committee.
As broke as Greece had been, they are at least decent enough to meet their alliance obligation. As do Poland. Countries like Germany or France are simply freeloading losers all these years. France, the bigger slacker of all. (BTW, France shouldn't even be in the UNSC, since they technically didn't win WW II).
Germany is looking at $ 67.2 billion/yr, while France is at $ 48.4 billion/yr. How far behind they are in their total obligations may actually be bigger than their annual share.
Abolish the UN and scrap NATO. Let these guys on their own and let them start cannibalizing each other again.
Ah, we're back to 'insular mode', again ?
BTW Germany, socialist ? Merkel's party is certainly not socialist ..
Greece spends someone else money to pay for it's NATO bill and it's reasoning is protection from another NATO member - Turkey ( Not sure why either of 'em have so many bases in Cyprus ...)
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Is the USA up to date ? I only ask as they are on 'stop credit' with the UN ..
Speaking of insular..Obama unleashed payment of 9 billion dollars to the UN without Congressional approval before he left office. To which, some monies were withheld before the entire pot was handed out.
Abolish the UN!!
Ah, we're back to 'insular mode', again ?
Nope. We're very well aware of Euro not paying their bills despite their bragging how wonderful their system is.
BTW Germany, socialist ? Merkel's party is certainly not socialist ..
Very 'socialist' to me. A 'defaulting' socialist at that.
Greece spends someone else money to pay for it's NATO bill and it's reasoning is protection from another NATO member - Turkey ( Not sure why either of 'em have so many bases in Cyprus ...)
There you go...as Margaret Thatcher once said (pp)..."the only problem with socialism is when you run out of other people's money,."
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Abolish the UN and scrap NATO.
Pull out anyway.
Make the UN headquarters a parking garage and yeah, get rid of the freeloaders.
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Merkel's party is certainly not socialist ..
From your point of reference.
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Piers Morgan, once a CNN, liberal host, is currently being roasted for his opposition regarding the blatant media bias spewing out against Donald Trump's presidency. There wasn't too many pro-Obama on cable news more 'biased' than Piers. Likely why he never got the ratings he sought.
But even he is bewildered at to the misplaced venom being thrown against Trump, and he's been very vocal about it. Consequently, he's as much demonize now by the very media he found comfort with before.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39022241
LMAO! Crazy, crazy world! Soon he'll likely be called 'racist' too! Damn deplorable!
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I am not really up on Germany's political parties. It seems Merkel is now losing the election to be held in six months. It also seems likely that her replacement will be from the Social Democrats. Can anyone elaborate?
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From your point of reference.
Unless you are right of Attila the Hun, you mean ?
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I am not really up on Germany's political parties. It seems Merkel is now losing the election to be held in six months. It also seems likely that her replacement will be from the Social Democrats. Can anyone elaborate?
Merkel's been Chancellor of Germany since 2005, rather normal that the electorate there would want something different after 13 years of CDU rule ;).
You did the same after fewer years :D.
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It would appear the mainstream media (along with several celebrities and Swedish politicians) (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/trump-slams-fake-news-lies-swedens-mass-immigration-working-out-just-beautifully) is going to be apologizing to President Trump once again.
Having spent the entire new cycle trying to ignore the immigrant crisis facing Sweden, and pin the ignorant tail on Trump, both Dagbladet (http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/opptoyer-i-stockholm-og-politiet-har-avfyrt-varselskudd--nbspdet-ser-ut-som-en-krigssone-her/67274529)and Expressen reports (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expressen.se%2Fnyheter%2Fpolis-skot-varningsskott-mot-stenkastare%2F&edit-text=) riots breaking out in the highly immigrant concentrated Stockholdm borough of Rinkeby, Sweden with police firing warning shots as 100s of young people throw stones and burn cars.
During the evening hundreds of young people gathered in the center of Rinkeby, well known for its high concentration of immigrants and people with immigrant ancestry.
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/02/19/20170220_rinkeby5.jpg) (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/02/19/20170220_rinkeby5.jpg)
In June 2010, Rinkeby was the scene of riots and attacks against the local police station and Rinkeby is the region in which the '60 Minutes' crew were attacked in 2016.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/meanwhile-rioting-breaks-out-sweden
Sweden has taken in 650,000 asylum-seekers during the past 15 years – including 163,000 in 2015 alone, The Spectator reported. Of those refugees, 35,000 were unaccompanied children – or at least claimed to be. The children – mostly males from Afghanistan and Somalia – are only identified as minors by the age the applicant gives. The only time an applicant-provided age is rejected is if it’s “obviously” untrue, though there’s no clear definition of “obviously.” The Spectator interviewed asylum-seekers who admitted to lying about their age to improve their chances of avoiding deportation.
Fox News
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Piers Morgan, once a CNN, liberal host, is currently being roasted for his opposition regarding the blatant media bias spewing out against Donald Trump's presidency. There wasn't too many pro-Obama on cable news more 'biased' than Piers. Likely why he never got the ratings he sought.
But even he is bewildered at to the misplaced venom being thrown against Trump, and he's been very vocal about it. Consequently, he's as much demonize now by the very media he found comfort with before.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39022241
LMAO! Crazy, crazy world! Soon he'll likely be called 'racist' too! Damn deplorable!
:rofl:
As someone who has been observing Morgan for at least 15 years longer than you ... He follows the money, and deliberately goes against the flow.
He's been a child of Thatcher, John Major, then Blair and even recommended voting for an animal rights activist in his UK constituency.
Clubeat: Don't try to put him in a box / label him ...
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:rofl:
As someone who has been observing Morgan for at least 15 years longer than you ... He follows the money, and deliberately goes against the flow.
He's been a child of Thatcher, John Major, then Blair and even recommended voting for an animal rights activist in his UK constituency.
Clubeat: Don't try to put him in a box / label him ...
Then he's a bigger idiot than I had given him credit for. If it's money he follows, then he's trotting on the wrong track. Thugs-4-hire are huge business for the Democrats these days, much less *journalists*.
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Then he's a bigger idiot than I had given him credit for. If it's money he follows, then he's trotting on the wrong track. Thugs-4-hire are huge business for the Democrats these days, much less *journalists*.
'We've' got him back this side of the pond, mostly
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meanwhile-rioting-breaks-out-sweden
Wouldn't surprise me if agitation was involved... The usual suspects - breitbart / daily mail / zeroclue constantly overlook that Sweden is STILL a FAR safer place than Florida..
http://www.mangalorean.com/murders-florida-sweden/ (http://www.mangalorean.com/murders-florida-sweden/)
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From your point of reference.
No, pretty much from their platform.
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Wouldn't surprise me if agitation was involved...
No...agitation is never involved in riots :rolleyes:
Statements made by Former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt failed to provide that the Orlando massacre was perpetrated by an Islamic radical which is the very essence of concern.
Florida has a population twice Sweden's 10 million.
The implication that news websites are instigating riots reminds me of the notorious "Bengazi video" story.
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No...agitation is never involved in riots :rolleyes:
I can see you're not studied what has started rioting in many cases ..
Statements made by Former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt failed to provide that the Orlando massacre was perpetrated by an Islamic radical which is the very essence of concern.
Florida has a population twice Sweden's 10 million.
Yet Orange County - alone - outstrips the Sweden murder rate 2:1
Scandinavian countries have had more issues with wack job racists ....
The implication that news websites are instigating riots reminds me of the notorious "Bengazi video" story.
I didn't say the news agencies 'created' the riots ...
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I can see you're not studied what has started rioting in many cases ..
You wouldn't know irony if it flew right into your face.
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An Austrian court has cleared the way for Ukrainian businessman Dmytro Firtash to be extradited to the United States to face bribery allegations. The decision overturns an earlier ruling that deemed the US request was politically motivated.
In 2015, Firtash was arrested in Vienna at Washington’s request. He is accused of having paid millions of dollars to Indian politicians to obtain mineral exploration licences.
It has also emerged that Firtash had also been detained on a European arrest warrant based on a separate Spanish request.
Firtash was one of the most powerful tycoons during the years of the ousted pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovich.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/21/ukraine-tycoon-firtash-faces-us-justice-over-bribery-claims
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The House of Commons two weeks ago passed (http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/08/brexit-bill-backed-by-british-parliament) the very short bill which allows PM May to trigger Article 50 and begin the process of the UK leaving the EU. But now the upper chamber of parliament, the House of Lords, must also pass the bill before it can be made law.
Eleven pages of amendments have already be tabled, and will have to be voted on before the bill can go through.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/21/brexit-goes-to-the-lords
Russian billionaire industrialist Andrey Melnichenko hit a setback in plans to sail his new €400 million “super yacht”, as it was impounded by the Gibraltar Port Authority.
Gibraltar Admiralty Marshal Liam Yeats confirmed to euronews that yacht “A” was arrested on February 15, and released on February 21.
“Sailing Yacht A”, whose three masts are each taller than the Big Ben clock tower in London, was on its way to be delivered, but port authorities took control of the vessel after its German builder claims Melnichenko still owes €15 million.
click to see this boat..................
http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/21/russian-super-yacht-impounded-on-maiden-voyage
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Pure comedy!
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5NpFFmWIAEAOpk.jpg:large)
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You wouldn't know irony if it flew right into your face.
Indeed ? This seems to be a standard response when certain folks just might, just might not have thought what they put in words - before posting ..
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So...will the real Nazi please stand up
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has fiercely rejected comments made by Turkey’s President that Nazi practices were being used in her country.Recep Tayyip Erdogan made the claims after rallies designed to woo Turkish voters in Germany ahead of a referendum were cancelled.Some 1.4 million Turks who live in Germany can vote in Erdogan’s April referendum, which will grant the president more powers.Relations have also soured following the detention of Turkish-German journalist Deniz Yücel in Istanbul.Mrs Merkel said: “There are profound differences of points of view between Germany and Turkey on the state of liberty of the press and opinion in Turkey, on the destiny of many more than a hundred journalists in prison – also the destiny of our compatriot, the journalist Deniz Yücel.”
http://www.euronews.com/2017/03/06/germany-s-angela-merkel-hits-back-over-nazi-claims-by-turkey-s-president-erdogan
'Assault on freedom of expression': Die Welt journalist's arrest in Turkey condemned http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/formal-arrest-of-die-welt-journalist-deniz-yucel-in-turkey-condemned-german
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Relations between Turkey and the Netherlands are on shaky ground, amid a growing diplomatic spat over Turkish campaigning in Holland.After the Dutch government barred Turkey’s foreign minister from landing in Rotterdam, the row reached new levels late on Saturday night, when the Turkish Family Affairs Minister was prevented from entering the consulate.Dutch broadcasters reported that Fatma Betul Saya Kaya was detained before being escorted out of the country.She had travelled to Rotterdam from Germany, after the Dutch authorities revoked landing rights for the foreign minister.She insisted on entering the consulate to address roughly 2,000 pro-Erdogan protesters who had gathered outside for a rally to support the constitutional reforms that would extend President Erdogan’s powers, which is to be put to a referendum vote in April.The latest developments follow a fiery war of words, with Erdogan branding the fellow NATO member a ‘Nazi remnant’ for barring the foreign minister’s rally, while the Dutch premier responded that the comments were ‘crazy’. The anger filtered down to the streets of Rotterdam, where riot police broke-up protests by force
http://www.euronews.com/app_prod_com.php/2017/03/12/dutch-police-disperse-turkish-protesters-outside-turkey-s-consulate-in-rotterdam
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Italy’s Northern League, once a separatist political party wanting to split from the rest of Italy, has now dropped the separatism and is instead trying to ride the far-right nationalistic wave that seems to be sweeping up electors everywhere.But not in Naples. People here have not forgotten that until relatively recently the Northern League’s leader, Matteo Salvini, used the xenophobic language he now applies to immigrants to people from the south. Salvini is attempting to hold a rally in Naples as he seeks to broaden his party’s base beyond the north, but he has been met with stiff resistance, with the wife of Naples’ mayor leading the peaceful protests.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/03/11/naples-protests-against-campaign-visit-by-northern-league-leader
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Indeed ? This seems to be a standard response when certain folks just might, just might not have thought what they put in words - before posting ..
Does this babble make any sense to anyone?
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Turkey is furious at a decision by the Netherlands on Saturday to bar two Turkish ministers from addressing expatriates in the country ahead of a referendum in Turkey.
In retaliation, Turkey accused the Dutch of "Nazi" tactics, barred the Dutch ambassador from returning to Ankara, and suspended high-level relations with the Hague in a raft of diplomatic sanctions.
On Tuesday, Turkey's deputy prime minister Numan Kurtulmus said the country may levy economic sanctions against the Netherlands as well.
EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini had called on Turkey to "refrain from excessive statements and actions that risk further exacerbating the situation", but her message appears to have had little effect.
Turkey called the appeal "worthless".Why did the Dutch ban the Turkish rallies?The spat began when two Turkish ministers were barred from entering the country to attend rallies that were to be attended by ethnic Turks in the Netherlands.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39270095
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Clue:
The NL parliamentary elections this week - with a WAY right of centre party looking for ANY excuse to show the existing govt as 'soft' on immigration
The party's leader has been convicted - in December 2016 for making discriminatory and inciting hatred remarks regarding Islam
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Clue:
The NL parliamentary elections this week - with a WAY right of centre party looking for ANY excuse to show the existing govt as 'soft' on immigration
The party's leader has been convicted - in December 2016 for making discriminatory and inciting hatred remarks regarding Islam
Interesting to know that you can be "convicted" for making a remark in The Netherlands. Maybe time to move The Hague to a more free country?
And Moby, how many refugees have you taken in to support so far?
HDL
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Interesting to know that you can be "convicted" for making a remark in The Netherlands. Maybe time to move The Hague to a more free country?
Even if Wilder's party did get the most seats - he'll have problems find a coalition partner .... If you feel 'sorry' for him. you should have been born in 1930's Germany ...;)
And Moby, how many refugees have you taken in to support so far?
Some wise-guy, in another place, asked the same question. In my time my family has taken in 4 refugees in a spare room and offered to take some folks from the jungle in Calais ... but Her Majesty's govt let a handful in and there were 5,000 times more placements than refugees.
But, as you are clearly also a public spirited chap you might be interested in sponsoring me to 'shut up' during 3 sailboat / yachting races on March 26th - I'm dying my hair - some crazy colour - and MUCH harder - mustn't talk or shout from 10 am to 6.30pm GMT+1 ( Now that will be hard )
If you like, you can sponsor me to be silent on here for that weekend :) !
http://my.rednoseday.com/sponsor/sponsormobytobequietanddyed (http://my.rednoseday.com/sponsor/sponsormobytobequietanddyed)
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Meanwhile...
How can such a small country have almost 30 political parties?
Also...
Are the Dutch on the verge of a Netherxit?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/03/elections-netherlands-explainer-170315155943009.html
Posted by: msmob « on: Today at 02:09:24 PM
If you like, you can sponsor me to be silent on here for that weekend
Only one weekend? OK :clapping: <-------------- the 'wise guy'
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Only one weekend? OK :clapping:
Make a donation and make it happen - put your money where your ... is ;)
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Even if Wilder's party did get the most seats - he'll have problems find a coalition partner .... If you feel 'sorry' for him. you should have been born in 1930's Germany ... ;)
Some wise-guy, in another place, asked the same question. In my time my family has taken in 4 refugees in a spare room and offered to take some folks from the jungle in Calais ... but Her Majesty's govt let a handful in and there were 5,000 times more placements than refugees.
But, as you are clearly also a public spirited chap you might be interested in sponsoring me to 'shut up' during 3 sailboat / yachting races on March 26th - I'm dying my hair - some crazy colour - and MUCH harder - mustn't talk or shout from 10 am to 6.30pm GMT+1 ( Now that will be hard )
If you like, you can sponsor me to be silent on here for that weekend :) !
http://my.rednoseday.com/sponsor/sponsormobytobequietanddyed (http://my.rednoseday.com/sponsor/sponsormobytobequietanddyed)
Ah, So believing in freedom of speech makes me a Nazi. Pretty sure freedom of speech wasn't big with the brown shirts. Good to know your perspective. I believe all speech should be free. Even speech I or society in general finds offensive. And no I will not be sending any money your way for your yachting adventure.
Don't fall in...
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Ah, So believing in freedom of speech makes me a Nazi. Pretty sure freedom of speech wasn't big with the brown shirts. Good to know your perspective. I believe all speech should be free. Even speech I or society in general finds offensive. And no I will not be sending any money your way for your yachting adventure.
Don't fall in...
Don't twist my words, please.
I strongly believe in freedom of speech - but not inciting discrimination.
I don't 'fall in' - it's called capsizing...and I didn't expect you would support good causes - having failed - miserably - to suggest I don't physically support some of the causes I might champion ;)
The Great new is, that Wilders also failed miserably and the centre-right, pro EU party, will still have the most seats in a new NL govt.
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Don't twist my words, please.
I strongly believe in freedom of speech - but not inciting discrimination.
I don't 'fall in' - it's called capsizing...and I didn't expect you would support good causes - having failed - miserably - to suggest I don't physically support some of the causes I might champion ;)
The Great new is, that Wilders also failed miserably and the centre-right, pro EU party, will still have the most seats in a new NL govt.
I support plenty of good causes. Don't presume Moby. That is why most on here and the other forum find you insufferable.
Happy Sailing
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It appears that Geert Wilders's PVV party did NOT win in Holland's elections. Maybe Dutch voters were put off by his hairstyle, remindlng them of someone's from across the Atlantic ;D.
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/03/wilders-640x480.jpg#ActualImage)
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I support plenty of good causes. Don't presume Moby.
You mean like your fail re 'how many refugees 'stunt' ?..
That is why most on here and the other forum find you insufferable.
''Et tu Brute?'' :D
Is being 'popular' on a forum something you worry about...?! I'm certainly not too worried about being 'popular' in a place where I'm a 'paid by the post russiophobe' :D
Don't you find that when posters get personal - asking leading questions / making innuendos about another's personal life - you know they have already lost the debate ?
Happy Sailing
I'm always happy sailing... Especially, if in this case it's for a good cause....
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k634/Svietik/Bow%20white%20dress%20stretch_zpsqlv3rpgq.jpg)
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I am sure your girl is happy you are posting photos of her on the internet...
But back to the subject at hand. It appears that the Turks don't care if you are right wing or progressive. They want holy war in Europe...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html
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It appears that the Turks don't care if you are right wing or progressive.
Maybe that's why one of the most complicated sailors' knots was called a Turk's Head :-\.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Turks-head-3-lead-10-bight-doubled.jpg/250px-Turks-head-3-lead-10-bight-doubled.jpg)
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Interesting to know that you can be "convicted" for making a remark in The Netherlands. Maybe time to move The Hague to a more free country?
And Moby, how many refugees have you taken in to support so far?
HDL
You find it interesting that countries that, in three decades, lost anywhere from 2% to over 20% of their total populations because of wars based on ethnic conflict and demonization of "the other", would have laws which attempt to minimize the possibility of that occurring again?
Who'd a thunk? 8)
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I am sure your girl is happy you are posting photos of her on the internet...
But back to the subject at hand. It appears that the Turks don't care if you are right wing or progressive. They want holy war in Europe...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html)
I don't think he meant Muslims want a holy war. All he meant is that there are current irreconcilable differences between Muslims and the secular West, which leads to unpleasant misunderstandings.
By the way, Cavusoglu was denied entry to the Netherlands not because of the current Dutch government, but because the Muslim, Moroccan born mayor of a large Dutch city didn't want Turkish demonstrations in that city, and demanded the Dutch government ban them.
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I am sure your girl is happy you are posting photos of her on the internet...
Shows how much you 'know'.. This photo is one of a sequence of 3 in this shoot that we agreed..together... were 'OK' to post on the internet.
She has used this image in 2 places.
I won't try to 'work out your life'... I am sure I'd be as accurate as you are about ours....
But back to the subject at hand.
Hurray !
It appears that the Turks don't care if you are right wing or progressive. They want holy war in Europe...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html
There are all sorts of Turkish outlooks. I don't know how often you go there, but most of the folks I know don't seek war with anyone.
I preferred Turkey to be non secular in govt. Erdogan is stirring up nationalism and I am not a fan of that, in any nation.
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I'm always happy sailing... Especially, if in this case it's for a good cause....
Is that sailing? You seem stalled, with the jib luffing. :)
Fine looking first mate. No wonder you let go of the rudder.
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Is that sailing? You seem stalled, with the jib luffing. :)
It's a furling Genoa - and it isn't luffing - its just the tack is low down and the sail is mis-shapen over the pulpit!
Fine looking first mate. No wonder you let go of the rudder.
Ha ! I had no mainsail up and we were on a v. broad reach - heading north in a light SW'ly on auto-pilot ;)
The 'first mate' is in Thailand for a few more days and she designs her own dresses and I import bikinis which she alters and sells on the beach - so she is quite happy to model ;)
Last year we drank Guinness in an Irish Bar - owned by an Irishman and she promised to do a 'photo-session' for St Paddy's Day ... as I'm over in the UK and we'll be together in Sochi, soon.
I had visions of SC in an Emerald Green Bikini ....
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k634/Svietik/2017-03-17%2014.36.06%202_zpsuykbtudb.jpg)
Ah well, there's always tomorrow
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The increasing difficulty of flying somewhere
Security forces reportedly killed the suspect in a shop in the south terminal. The hub was immediately evacuated following the incident.
The man, who was apparently known to the intelligence services, is said to have targeted a female officer having earlier shot another police woman in the north of the French capital.
Addressing the media, France’s interior minister Bruno Le Roux
said: ‘‘This suspect was seen in Vitry carrying out a carjacking. He was also seen in a bar where he threatened those inside. And we have linked him to an identity check close to the North of Paris. During that check, which turned badly, he opened fire on a police officer with a gun.’‘
Police said no other people were injured in the incident.
Anti-terrorist commandos from France’s elite Raid force have been carrying out a bomb sweep of the airport as part of the on-going security operation,
Air-traffic both to and from Orly was also suspended with some flights diverted to Paris Charles De Gaulle.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/03/18/a-39-year-old-frenchman-known-by-police-and-who-was-shot-dead-at-orly-airport
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House of Commons Leader: 'Police officer has been stabbed'Statement from David Lidington to the House of Commons:
"First my colleagues will have appreciated, events have been moving rapidly and I want to emphases that the knowledge I have which is definite, is very limited. What I am able to say, there has been a serious incident within the estate. It seems a police officer has been stabbed that the alleged assailant was shot by armed police, an air ambulance is currently attending the scene to remove the causalities."
Act of terrorism
Metropolitan Police have said they are on the scene and say they are treating the incident as an act of terrorism, "until we know otherwise."
Parliament on lockdown
MP David Warburton tweeted: “We're in lock down inside the Chamber of the House of Commons. Just adjourned the House #Westminster (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Westminster) #Parliament (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Parliament)”
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/europe/london-uk-parliament-incident-latest/ (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/europe/london-uk-parliament-incident-latest/)
video
The jihads apparently like anniversaries ....one yr ago today was Brussels.
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His photographs showed people lying on the ground, some of them bleeding heavily and one apparently under a bus.
Man, I hope and pray for the safety and recovery of everyone.
On another note:
I guess France conducted their presidential debate yesterday. The major topics were *immigration/refugees* and their *welfare/social system*. Sounds eerily familiar, doesn't it?
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The jihads apparently like anniversaries ....one yr ago today was Brussels.
WHY would you grant these wack jobs with the 'label' you just used ... ? This is not a 'Holy War' - it was designed to shock, scare, kill, maim...
French students involved on the bridge attack :(
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This is not a 'Holy War' - it was designed to shock, scare, kill, maim...
Isn't that what 'war' is...killing and maiming?
Also..
I fail to see anything 'holy' about war.
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Isn't that what 'war' is...killing and maiming?
Also..
I fail to see anything 'holy' about war.
YOU used the word jihad, right ? I assumed you knew it's meaning ?
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YOU used the word jihad, right ? I assumed you knew it's meaning ?
I do.
We don't know the details, yet I guess the assailant believed he was a jihadi warrior.
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I do.
Should you tell tfcrew or will I .. ? :(
We don't know the details, yet I guess the assailant believed he was a jihadi warrior.
No doubt, it will come out 'in the wash' ..
Already have Russian acquaintances telling me it is the fault of EU immigration .. :deadhorse:
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Meh, this is what happens when you openly invite foxes into the hen house. Hard to feel sorry for a country full of mobys that care nothing for the victims and make excuses for the attackers.
Of course the MSM isn't saying anything about the attacker but I'm sure it's a white, red haired, Amish person, as is the norm. Oh wait...
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/22/17/3E88A8E600000578-4338998-image-a-141_1490203004399.jpg)
Bunch of thumbs up and celebrating on Al Jazeera site.
(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/17436004_10155105764981171_3312752264441473163_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=79f1cb0b5e8e5d756a73ecf5f81b3de1&oe=59648EE8)
(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17457884_873008806170349_7220088534616529149_n.png?oh=63dcde113df603a909a9d26f18c2715c&oe=5953C341)
Actually, yes I would believe. I'd be more surprised if there wasn't celebration from the animals.
(http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/gtgfgsd.jpg?w=748&h=392&crop=1)
On a serious note though, prayers for the families that lost loved ones today and may a fast moving, terminal cancer be upon those that support these attackers (liberals).
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7jBSKiW4AUP2qR.jpg:small)
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Meh, this is what happens when you openly invite foxes into the hen house. Hard to feel sorry for a country full of mobys that care nothing for the victims and make excuses for the attackers.
Anteros/Cornfed - Your 'sympathy' and advice is not sought or needed..
Of course the MSM isn't saying anything about the attacker but I'm sure it's a white, red haired, Amish person, as is the norm. Oh wait...
Yup, the Daily Mail - your favourite UK scandal rag- has already told us it was a 'goatie bearded asian / black man' and posted pictures of folks 'celebrating' ...
Should we have banned Irish people from the UK when they celebrated attempts to blow up John Major's cabinet office meeting ( I was in Dublin the night the IRA 'motor bomb device failed - '"Shame they missed the bastards - present company accepted " ) ?
If the DM's editor had been in charge, then ... I expect we WOULD have been paranoid about white skinned , red haired people .. and ignorant people, like you, would have suggested my family should go back... like after the Birmingham Pub Bombings in Nov '74.. :deadhorse:
Meanwhile, those with the smarts will realise that attacks like this are designed to polarise and produce the reactions of the likes of you
You are indeed a divisive loonie troll ..:(
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So, one of the ( public ) first victims has been named ...Her first name is Aysha .. is an Arabic name . 'Alive - full of life'.
She was on her way to collect her children from school ..:(
Edited to add : She was a Spanish citizen ..of Cypriot -Turkish speaking ethnicity origin ...
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I know that, for myself, and many on the forum, we join with your country in grieving for those who were lost and harmed.
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Thank you, Jone
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Anteros/Cornfed - Your 'sympathy' and advice is not sought or needed..
Yup, the Daily Mail - your favourite UK scandal rag- has already told us it was a 'goatie bearded asian / black man' and posted pictures of folks 'celebrating' ...
Should we have banned Irish people from the UK when they celebrated attempts to blow up John Major's cabinet office meeting ( I was in Dublin the night the IRA 'motor bomb device failed - '"Shame they missed the bastards - present company accepted " ) ?
If the DM's editor had been in charge, then ... I expect we WOULD have been paranoid about white skinned , red haired people .. and ignorant people, like you, would have suggested my family should go back... like after the Birmingham Pub Bombings in Nov '74.. :deadhorse:
Meanwhile, those with the smarts will realise that attacks like this are designed to polarise and produce the reactions of the likes of you
You are indeed a divisive loonie troll ..:(
My sympathy was certainly not directed toward you or your ilk.
As far as I'm aware, the Irish don't live by an ideology that calls for the death and destruction of Western civilization so your example is complete nonsense, but that's expected from you.
These kinds of attacks are on you and the others that do nothing but flap your gums, make excuses for the terrorist, and on the lives of the dead and wounded. The only loonie is you and the others like you allowing these kinds of events. Disgusting people; you're a cancer.
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YOU used the word jihad, right ? I assumed you knew it's meaning ?
It means basically...... In classical Islamic law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia), the term refers to armed struggle against unbelievers,
The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran) with and without military connotations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
The terror group ISIS later claimed the attacker as one of their own (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isis-claim-responsibility-london-terror-10083367), saying he was a "soldier of the caliphate".
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parliament-shooting-live-updates-after-10076508
I just said I see nothing holy about it.
And I still don't.
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My sympathy was certainly not directed toward you or your ilk.
My 'ilk' hat does THAT mean ?
As far as I'm aware, the Irish don't live by an ideology that calls for the death and destruction of Western civilization so your example is complete nonsense, but that's expected from you.
There was a time - you may have been sleeping for a decade or two - when Irish terrorist sought to change the status of Northern Ireland's membership of the UK by a campaign of bombing,- maiming and killing .. This resulted in pretty strong anti-Irish sentiment and I was stood in a queue at a motorway service area when an Englishman in front of us wanted to kill the first Irish person he could lay his hands on when Lord Mountbatten was killed on his boat, in Eire - I was 20 years old and reached out to tap him on the shoulder to offer him the opportunity and point out that most Irish didn't support the act ...
My father stopped me grabbing my arm and a look that said ... 'not now, son'..
I suspect many followers of Islam will be in the same boat, now and you are that ignorant guy in the queue.
These kinds of attacks are on you and the others that do nothing but flap your gums, make excuses for the terrorist, and on the lives of the dead and wounded. The only loonie is you and the others like you allowing these kinds of events. Disgusting people; you're a cancer.
Anteros / Cornfed
I make no excuses for such acts ... I am just smarter than you and realise that these acts are designed to get us hating each other - when the FACT is most of us just want to go about our daily lives and WILL continue to do so ..
The twat had a violent criminal past and spent several terms in prison. He probably had few friends and a family that had disowned him and found new 'friends' that suggested he could make his life 'mean something ' ...
What is important is that we unite in making sure that any misguided souls thinking of doing the same knows 'respect' will be the last thing on our minds..
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It means basically......
What it has come to mean is 'Holy War' - an excuse for the violent actions of some :(
You didn't know this and have learnt something, now ... No need to apologise / thank us..
BUT ..I am glad you looked it up and posted the Daily Mirror 'definition' - as it led me to ask the question - was I right ?
Perhaps I owe YOU a thank you / apology ..? I would appear to be as guilty of the misuse of the term as the perps who use it as the 'excuse' ..
"What Is This Thing Called Jihad or Islamic Holy War?
The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups or so called Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight in the name of Islam. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-hassan-a-amin/what-is-jihad_b_8535930.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-hassan-a-amin/what-is-jihad_b_8535930.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parliament-shooting-live-updates-after-10076508
I just said I see nothing holy about it.
And I still don't.
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As we wait for our teen to get up, the better half and I were having a discussion on the fate of religion in the West, after I had read a column on the issue by Conrad Black. The better half told me of the works of a Soviet journalist, Farid Seiful-Mulyukov. Seiful-Mulyukov was an expert on Islam. When the Americans started arming the mujahideen, Seiful-Mulyukov wrote a series of articles, stating this policy would wake the sleeping Muslim world, with far reaching consequences. He predicted all the instability that has occurred, including the mass immigration to the EU as a result of war. It was a chain. The reasons were partly due to the obscurity in the Muslim world in Seiful-Mulyulov's view. The end result, without reaction by those countries where massive Muslim immigration occurred, would be those societies eventually being subsumed by Islam.
It is important to note, he was referring to uneducated masses, not controlled immigration by Islam's educated elite. Nevertheless, a fascinating analysis.
Seiful-Mulyulov was also responsible for Soviet, and current Russian policy toward Iran. He viewed Sh'ia Islam as more radical than other branches, which is why the Soviets built a relationship with Iran and, to a lesser extent, Syria.
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At the mo, the Sunni's seem to have more extreme factions - surely ..Daesh ? ( 'IS')
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There is no state sponsored terrorism by Sunnis, AFAIK. Sure, members of the Saudi royal family support extremists, but it's not state policy.
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When the Americans started arming the mujahideen, Seiful-Mulyukov wrote a series of articles, stating this policy would wake the sleeping Muslim world, with far reaching consequences. He predicted all the instability that has occurred, including the mass immigration to the EU as a result of war.
Good prediction. It is not widely discussed, so who knows if it is true, yet it is believed Russia is currently arming the Taliban. What goes around comes around.
Seiful-Mulyulov was also responsible for Soviet, and current Russian policy toward Iran. He viewed Sh'ia Islam as mor radical than other branches, which is why the Soviets built a relationship with Iran and, to a lesser extent, Syria.
Why choose the more radical of two choices? The radical would be more willing to destabilize the region (my theory regarding Russia's long term goals).
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Because as an ally, the radical state won't turn on you. That has been true of Iran vis a vis the USSR and now, Russia.
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Good prediction. It is not widely discussed, so who knows if it is true, yet it is believed Russia is currently arming the Taliban. What goes around comes around.
He worked for the Institute of the Middle East, which analyzed social and political policies/society. He was a real expert on Islam and all the societies of the region and beyond. He was also the first Soviet to publicly state the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan would be a disaster. That was within weeks of the invasion.
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Swedes are not afraid.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/dead-arrested-stockholm-terrorist-attack-swedish-prime-minister/story?id=46649252
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Yepp, now it was our turn.. I have just waited for it to happen
(http://i.imgur.com/KWomqqI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/52FLLBK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/M0CRwkK.jpg)
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My condolences for you folks out there, Nightwish.
How do you feel about all these madness and the recent cultural upshift in Sweden?
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An Aussie's account of the attack...
~"I turned around and saw a big truck coming towards me. It swerved from side to side. It didn't look out of control, it was trying to hit people," Glen Foran, an Australian tourist in his 40s, told Reuters.
"It hit people, it was terrible. It hit a pram with a kid in it, demolished it," he said.~
Damned!
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U.S. Woman Stabbed to Death by Migrant Who ‘Recently Arrived’ in France
7 Apr 2017
A 52-year-old woman from the U.S. was taking photographs in an eastern suburb of Paris when a person police say “arrived recently in France” stabbed her several times from behind.
According to Le Parisien, the woman collapsed (http://www.leparisien.fr/montreuil-93100/montreuil-une-femme-tuee-de-plusieurs-coups-de-couteau-06-04-2017-6831237.php) immediately when a homeless man stabbed her in the back several times and sliced her carotid artery at just before 4 pm on Thursday. Emergency services arrived quickly on the scene but were unable to resuscitate the victim.
“I heard a woman’s cry, then saw an older man leave the Rue Marcel-Dufriche with a big knife in his hand,” said the manager of a store located close to the crime scene.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/07/u-s-woman-stabbed-death-migrant-france/
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It is noted that Tfcrew is a 'victim' of Breitbart ... :(
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/breitbart-headlines_us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/breitbart-headlines_us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb)
British tourists get murdered in Florida, but does it stop tourism there ... ?
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British tourists get murdered in Florida, but does it stop tourism there?
No.. you are welcome to visit anytime ;)
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No.. you are welcome to visit anytime ;)
'Nice deflection attempt .. the point being .. there is not a publication that I am aware of that tries to suggest Florida is a inherently 'dangerous' place to go for Brits...
HINT: the murder rate in one country of Florida probably exceeds that of the Europe combined...
To be clear ... I have visited Florida many times and Paris... Neither destination worries me, unduly ....
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Neither destination worries me ...
Of course. As per your signature 'We are not afraid'.
Curious though...who are 'we'?
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'We' is anyone WITH a clue ..
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http://tinyurl.com/kfzz6hy
yes, let us bring in lots of refugees into this country too.
FU libs and non-americans who have nothing but crap to say about us. ;D
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http://tinyurl.com/kfzz6hy
yes, let us bring in lots of refugees into this country too.
FU libs and non-americans who have nothing but crap to say about us. ;D
You really need to do a bit more research before going off half-cocked. The gunman was born in France and, apart from some time supposedly spent in Belgium (which is apparently why he has "al-Baljiki" in his Muslim name) had lived there all his life. He hardly counts as a "refugee." He had already spent considerable time in prison for attacking and shooting policemen in 2001, and had apparently been looking for weapons to shoot and kill more of them.
While he was obviously a very nasty individual, I'm not sure that somebody simply shooting policemen in a car stopped at traffic lights really qualifies as a terrorist, especially with his background - even though ISIL (ISIS) claimed responsibility almost straight away.
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He had already spent considerable time in prison for attacking and shooting policemen in 2001
[Apparently not enough]
I'm not sure that somebody simply shooting policemen in a car stopped at traffic lights really qualifies as a terrorist
"Simply shooting police"?....C'mon, anywhere in the world that is a major statement.
One doesn't have to be a qualified, certified, bonafide, card carrying terrorist..they just have to do this...
Instill extreme fear ...horror ...fright..alarm...or panic.
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Once again, for our USA'ian 'cousins'..
Your murder rate is FAR higher than that in Europe ... I expect you to get 'bent out of shape' as a European / Antipodean is pointing this out ..AGAIN ..but it seems - for some - that perspective has left the building ....
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Once again, for our USA'ian 'cousins'..
Your murder rate is FAR higher than that in Europe ... I expect you to get 'bent out of shape' as a European / Antipodean is pointing this out ..AGAIN ..but it seems - for some - that perspective has left the building ....
Perhaps that is because our population is over 300 million people? Far more than pretty much any European country? :rolleyes:
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The populations are irrelevant. If you look at homicide rates, for the most part, the US rate per capita is double that of Western Europe. Eastern Europe is closer.
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The populations are irrelevant. If you look at homicide rates, for the most part, the US rate per capita is double that of Western Europe. Eastern Europe is closer.
Yes, says the expert of everything of course.....
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If only there were a way to find information, such as some sort of network of computers that functioned across the entire world, say, worldwide.
If only there were a computer program that looked through all those computers and categorized such information, so people could search through it, like, some sort of search engine.
If there were, then UN stats, for which no expertise is required, just the ability to read numbers, could be searched, and perhaps linked, for those who believe this is an insurmountably difficult exercise requiring years of specialized training -
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5 (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5)
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The USA has a high enough rate of violence as it is, so we don't need
to import potential terrorists to our country as our European cousins
like to do. We have more than sufficient population growth from births
and immigration that we don't need to import potential terrorists from
Sandland.
There are more than enough people from North, Central and South
America who would love to immigrate to the USA and plenty from
Asia as well. If the Europeans want to ignore the terrorists that
they've imported and home-grown because of their fealty and fidelity
to political correctness, that's their right to misgovern themselves as
they see fit.
I hope that the USA and our leaders learn from the obvious miscalculations
that the Europeans are putting on themselves.
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Once again, for our USA'ian 'cousins'..
Your murder rate is FAR higher than that in Europe ... I expect you to get 'bent out of shape' as a European / Antipodean is pointing this out ..AGAIN ..but it seems - for some - that perspective has left the building ....
Yes, the USA is more violent than Western Europe, it's not even close. However
that's not a valid reason for Western Europe to increase their violence by importing
it. That's like a boy Sean excusing the two D's on his report card by pointing that his
neighbor Johnny had even worse grades. Since Sean's grades are better than Johnny's
should Sean therefore try to justify to his parents that he should study even less?
Do you think that if Sean had good parents that they would buy into this line of
reasoning?
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You really need to do a bit more research before going off half-cocked.
You are right, fruit. However I had started the thread before the details were revealed.
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Yes, says the expert of everything of course.....
It doesn't take an expert to notice the numbers whereby the USA has very high murder rates comparatively speaking. I wonder why it bothered you so much that she pointed that stat out?
Perhaps that is because our population is over 300 million people? Far more than pretty much any European country? :rolleyes:
The numbers are already adjusted for that, hence 'per capita' is the critical fact. We do have more murders, not strictly because of a larger population, but because we have more people 'per capita' that are killing!
Fathertime!
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that's not a valid reason for Western Europe to increase their violence by importing
it.
1/ Bill, the case in Paris and the recent attack in London - they were not refugees - the twats were born in their respective countries and had a history of violent crime.
2/ The %age of recent migrants committing crime is tiny - your post is pure ignorance and most of the folk that made it to Europe have paid BIG money to get out of Dodge... they were smart at home and will undoubtedly shine, again.
3/ It could be argued that the west brought this wave of migration on itself - it the case of Syria - by NOT getting involved - and imposing a no-fly zone or in the case of Afghanistan / Libya - not getting involved at all. ( The leave them to it mentality ) ... Fact is the west has been involved in the middle east for over a hundred years - that includes the USA for 70 plus years.
4/ If anything - you guys and my nations - UK / Ireland - who had an opt-out from the EU to share the migrant load - should be taking some of the strain.
If we don't want migrants - we should be ensuring stability - politically and economically back home. We are reaping what our ancestors sowed.
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Murders aren't the only death by guns. In modern history, Europeans have a higher death rate by gun than Americans. It's possible more Americans have died by gun overseas compared to at home. If Russia tries something in Eastern Europe, I'd rather be living in the ghettos of Detroit.
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Murders aren't the only death by guns. In modern history, Europeans have a higher death rate by gun than Americans. It's possible more Americans have died by gun overseas compared to at home. If Russia tries something in Eastern Europe, I'd rather be living in the ghettos of Detroit.
For crying out loud, Billy! Will you please get off this damned soapbox of yours which equates wars with "ordinary" murders. If you don't, we will be forced to bring up the number of deaths in the American Civil War - yet again. :cluebat:
And, once again, even in war the percentage of combatants killed by handguns, shotguns or rifles (which is what you're trying to equate) is minimal, when compared with the percentage killed by bombs, machine guns, cannons (both aerial and artillery), mortars and other weapons which routinely kill more than one victim.
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Yes, says the expert of everything of course.....
Ad hominem - or what ?
Deal with the FACT - do not attempt to denigrate the person who posts what you cannot contest
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A German/ Russian citizen has been arrested for the bomb attack on the Dortmund Team bus... the motif - seemingly financial
He hoped w'd all assume it was 'Islamist extremists' ....
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/dortmund-bus-terror-arrest-german-russian-share-price-blamed-muslims-islamists-islamic-put-latest-a7694216.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/dortmund-bus-terror-arrest-german-russian-share-price-blamed-muslims-islamists-islamic-put-latest-a7694216.html)
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For crying out loud, Billy! Will you please get off this damned soapbox of yours which equates wars with "ordinary" murders.
The soapbox is reading people here repeated talk about the murders in America. I posted studies in the past that show murders by ethic group in America isn't much different than those regions of where they're from. America Europeans murder rate is similar to those from Europe. Hispanic Americans murder rates are similar to those in Central America. African American murder rates are similar to those in Africa yet you seem to think the whole package of murder rates in America should be similar to those from Europe.
And, once again, even in war the percentage of combatants killed by handguns, shotguns or rifles (which is what you're trying to equate) is minimal, when compared with the percentage killed by bombs, machine guns, cannons (both aerial and artillery), mortars and other weapons which routinely kill more than one victim.
You're talking out of your ass on this one. Got proof? Hard to supply a statistician for every soldier in the war to document how he was killed.
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You're talking out of your ass on this one. Got proof? Hard to supply a statistician for every soldier in the war to document how he was killed.
I never said "soldier." Here's a REALLY simple example for you, Billy. Many thousands of airmen died in combat during World War II, the Korean War, and Vietnam, as just some examples. Not ONE of them was killed or shot down with a handgun. Pretty much the same would apply to all the sailors killed at sea, although I'm willing to concede that there may have been the odd one shot by a handgun or rifle when opposing ships got close together.
I don't need a statistician for every soldier when combat reports cover the facts. Sure, many were killed by single-shot weapons - but far more were killed by machine-guns or artillery fire. Look it up. Again, though, it doesn't matter, because war casualties cannot be equated with murders - however much you want them to be.
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I never said "soldier." Here's a REALLY simple example for you, Billy. Many thousands of airmen died in combat during World War II, the Korean War, and Vietnam, as just some examples. Not ONE of them was killed or shot down with a handgun.
Airmen are soldiers too. Many soldiers/airmen were shot down by guns. If a handgun could shoot a plane down, a handgun would be used. Instead they invented bigger guns for the job.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soldier
it doesn't matter, because war casualties cannot be equated with murders - however much you want them to be.
A death by weapon whether it's by a knife, gun or bomb is a death. It's safer to live in America than in Europe.
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We are reaping what our ancestors sowed.
I used to think this way, and stability would probably ease some extremes in terrorism. However, I think the fundamentalist strain of Islam would have existed even had the West never interfered in the Middle East. The problem is, that strain of Islam is, like, say, Protestant fundamentalism, very dualist. The difference is in how far they will take their literalist interpretations.
My view has been altered significantly by a number of books I've read recently. The most interesting is A Fury for God: The Islamist Attack on America by Malise Ruthven. I recommend it highly.
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Dear Boethiuis,
I will check it to see if I can find it online - I doubt it is available in Sochi :)
However, I still think we need to look at this in the simplest terms
Since the retraction of the Ottoman Empire - which normally tolerated the indigenous folks retaining their religious beliefs - the conquering / controlling has been 'western'. Whilst our ancestors haven't tried to impose Christianity - they did draw frontiers and tried to control the natural resources.
My point is that 'they' interfered directly in the affairs of the people of the Middle East - mostly for control of the the resources.
Should migrants adopt our ways? Assimilate ? In terms of accepting our laws, yes. Are 'we' importing a big problem re religious traditions v 'our' laws - possibly.
It's a matter of common sense for most... SC would not go to Church in a bikini and I would not drink beer in Muslim nations were it is not acceptable.
Those that do not accept such local customs can expect 'issues' if they flaunt those laws.
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A death by weapon whether it's by a knife, gun or bomb is a death.
You want to move the goalposts any further, Billy? This discussion has always been about murders using firearms - nothing else.
It's safer to live in America than in Europe.
In general terms, pretty well everywhere in the civilised world is safe to live, but tell that to the relatives of those killed on 9/11, or by Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City (using the two most obvious examples). Far more died in those incidents than have been killed in Europe in all "terrorist" attacks put together - including Beslan, Oslo and Paris.
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This discussion has always been about murders using firearms - nothing else.
Actually this is a European news thread. The 'Violence in America' thread was closed. We all know that violence in America is constant.
Further banner waving helps us how?
An historic moment, a massive victory. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen’s take on the outcome of the presidential election first round, which sees her and her National Front party go through to the run-off in two weeks’ time.
She told supporters that the country’s survival is at stake.
“You have the choice of alternatives, the real one, not the one that’s seen governments succeeding one another so that nothing changes,” she said.
“The one that I propose to you is the great alternative, the fundamental alternative which will put in place new policies, new faces and the renewal to which you aspire.”
Le Pen continued: “It’s obviously not the prolongation of Francois Hollande, and all of the failures of these five years, but it will be new changes that will come.
“It is time to free French people from the arrogant elites, who want to dictate to them. I am the candidate of the people.”
http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/24/le-pen-celebrates-historic-moment-in-french-election
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/06/marine-le-pen.png)
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In general terms, pretty well everywhere in the civilised world is safe to live, but tell that to the relatives of those killed on 9/11, or by Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City (using the two most obvious examples). Far more died in those incidents than have been killed in Europe in all "terrorist" attacks put together - including Beslan, Oslo and Paris.
That is precisely what I expect a fruit to say. I was there in New York 2 blocks from WTC that day. Your ignorance comes through well here. We didn't bring the human excrement into our country. They succeeded in outsmarting us that day. It wasn't like they went into the towers with AK-47s to kill thousands. They used weapons far deadlier. Europe is far worse place to live in now. Keep importing the refugees.
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That is precisely what I expect a fruit to say. I was there in New York 2 blocks from WTC that day. Your ignorance comes through well here. We didn't bring the human excrement into our country. They succeeded in outsmarting us that day. It wasn't like they went into the towers with AK-47s to kill thousands. They used weapons far deadlier. Europe is far worse place to live in now. Keep importing the refugees.
Why is Europe a worse place to live? Like the US in many regions they need a younger population base, so in that respect it serves their interest to import some refugees. If not for illegal immigrants here (who have had numerous children), we might be in the same situation.
Fathertime!
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That is precisely what I expect a fruit to say. I was there in New York 2 blocks from WTC that day. Your ignorance comes through well here. We didn't bring the human excrement into our country. They succeeded in outsmarting us that day. It wasn't like they went into the towers with AK-47s to kill thousands. They used weapons far deadlier. Europe is far worse place to live in now. Keep importing the refugees.
What ignorance is he showing? We did allow the 9/11 terrorists into the country, didn't we? What difference does it make if they used a plane, bomb or gun?
Something for your own ignorance-
From 1975 to the end of 2015, 20 refugees have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all in the 1970s. Zero Americans have been killed by Syrian refugees in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is one in 3.6 billion. The other 17 convictions have mainly been for aiding or attempting to join foreign terrorists.
http://www.cato.org/blog/little-national-security-benefit-trumps-executive-order-immigration
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Actually this is a European news thread.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/24/le-pen-celebrates-historic-moment-in-french-election
I did not include the image of the divisive woman who came SECOND in round one and will get her fascist / racist ass kicked HARD - like her father before her
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I did not include the image of the divisive woman who came SECOND in round one and will get her fascist / racist ass kicked HARD - like her father before her
I thought she was one of main ones responsible for getting her father and those who held these fascist/racist views out of the party.
If she wanted those policies to continue, then why get rid of her father?
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.. fascist/racist views out of the party.
.. her father?
I checked on some of this and it's strange.
Mr Le Pen seems to have been cited and penalized for an infraction that didn't exist [as a French law] until some 3 years later.
The Gayssot Act or Gayssot Law (French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language): Loi Gayssot), enacted on 13 July 1990, makes it an offense in France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) to question the existence or size of the category of crimes against humanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity) as defined in the London Charter of 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Charter_of_the_International_Military_Tribunal)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayssot_Act
Le Pen has made several provocative statements concerning the Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust) which have been interpreted by the legal system as constituting Holocaust denial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial). He has been convicted of racism or inciting racial hatred at least six times.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#cite_note-2004fine-19) Thus, on 13 September 1987 he said, "I ask myself several questions. I'm not saying the gas chambers didn't exist. I haven't seen them myself. I haven't particularly studied the question. But I believe it's just a detail in the history of World War II." He was condemned under the Gayssot Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayssot_Act) to pay 1.2 million francs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Franc) (183,200 euros)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Controversial_statements
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That is precisely what I expect a fruit to say. I was there in New York 2 blocks from WTC that day. Your ignorance comes through well here. We didn't bring the human excrement into our country.
Why the insults? Can't you handle the truth? Yes, 9/11 was a horrendous day and, even from this distance, I lost a friend working in the WTC. That doesn't change the facts, which is precisely why I included the "human excrement" known as Timothy McVeigh in my post. In case you've forgotten, he was born in Lockport, New York - hardly a hotbed of imported refugee crises.
They succeeded in outsmarting us that day. It wasn't like they went into the towers with AK-47s to kill thousands. They used weapons far deadlier. Europe is far worse place to live in now. Keep importing the refugees.
It's such a pity that your mind is so closed that you can't even begin to understand why your logic is so flawed. As I posted above, most of the world is a happy place where terrorism is the furthest thing from people's minds - with or without refugees.
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This discussion has always been about murders using firearms - nothing else.
Not this discussion but just remember, if it weren't for American guns parked all over the world, we'd probably see a lot more deaths everywhere, including Europe. No other society provides this kind of security anywhere. Our way of life, even with all it's faults, save more lives than ends them. Human conflict always happened throughout history. Just be glad the good guys currently have the biggest guns.
In general terms, pretty well everywhere in the civilised world is safe to live, but tell that to the relatives of those killed on 9/11, or by Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City (using the two most obvious examples). Far more died in those incidents than have been killed in Europe in all "terrorist" attacks put together - including Beslan, Oslo and Paris.
Two incidences in America are deadlier than ALL terrorist attacks in Europe? Pull out your calculator.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/
We did allow the 9/11 terrorists into the country,
They went to Germany first. They behaved there so it was easier for them to get into the USA.
I did not include the image of the divisive woman who came SECOND in round one and will get her fascist / racist ass kicked HARD - like her father before her
People wonder how guys like Hitler get into power but when the pendulum swings hard to the left, it's bound to swing back hard to the right. I'm not surprised if some countries in Europe end up electing extreme right or left candidates.
Timothy McVeigh, he was born in Lockport, New York - hardly a hotbed of imported refugee crises.
Every nation is going to have disgruntled people who do extreme things but although Americans outnumber immigrants, immigrant terror attacks outnumbers domestic terror attacks.
I don't mind immigration. I think it's very helpful to the economy if done right. A hard working immigrant is always better than a deadbeat citizen. But to let in people who want all the benefits our nation and culture have to offer but don't want to embrace our nation and culture is a bad move. Would you invite people into your house if they hate you or your way of life? You wouldn't let them in your home and we shouldn't let them in our nations.
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I thought she was one of main ones responsible for getting her father and those who held these fascist/racist views out of the party.
If she wanted those policies to continue, then why get rid of her father?
Her policies are still racist and intolerant. Witness the depth of antipathy towards her.
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Two incidences in America are deadlier than ALL terrorist attacks in Europe? Pull out your calculator.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/a-history-of-terrorism-in-europe/
While I'll agree that in straight numbers you are correct, you need to dig a bit deeper. The vast majority of terror attacks in Britain and Spain were conducted by the IRA and ETA respectively, and pretty much stopped by the year 2000. France had a couple of attacks in 2015, and a couple last year, which between them killed fewer than 250 people. Ukraine is a special case - I'm not sure that even MH317 can be described as a "terror" attack in this sense.
Every nation is going to have disgruntled people who do extreme things but although Americans outnumber immigrants, immigrant terror attacks outnumbers domestic terror attacks.
That depends upon your definition of "domestic" terror attacks. What's also interesting in the link that you provided is that it also links to Vice News' tracker of mass shootings in the USA, and mass shootings in Europe, in 2016.
http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mass-shootings-in-europe-in-2016
http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mass-shootings-in-the-united-states-and-europe-in-2016
Without commenting, I'll just say that the numbers (392 dead and 1502 injured in the USA, and 53 dead and 169 injured in Europe [which includes Russia]) are somewhat different from the impression a casual reader of your posts would infer.
I don't mind immigration. I think it's very helpful to the economy if done right. A hard working immigrant is always better than a deadbeat citizen. But to let in people who want all the benefits our nation and culture have to offer but don't want to embrace our nation and culture is a bad move. Would you invite people into your house if they hate you or your way of life? You wouldn't let them in your home and we shouldn't let them in our nations.
I totally agree. However, for you, your President or anyone else to argue that ALL Muslims fall into this category is ridiculous. The vast majority, wherever they end up (if they're migrating) are just as peaceful and respecting of local laws and customs as those who were born there. The same applies to ALL immigrants to every country - including those, like you and GQBlues, who have moved to the USA and have carved out successful lives for themselves.
Of course there are some bad apples in immigrant populations - just as there amongst those who were born in any country and have never left.
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Marine Le Pen SURGES in latest poll as Macron is blasted for first round celebrations
Macron gets booed big time in his own home town.
Another found some 61 per cent of French voters think that Ms Le Pen is leading a successful second-round campaign, compared to 48 per cent for Mr Macron, according to a Harris Interactive poll for RMC and Atlantico published on Wednesday.
Mr Macron is the current frontrunner ahead of the second round of the French election but has been accused of complacency by both rivals and allies.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/797147/Marine-Le-Pen-French-Election-Emmanuel-Macron-poll-Jean-Marie-Le-Pen-Jean-Luc-M-lenchon
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Quoting from a right of centre Brexit supporting UK paper - you'll really get a representative vision of reality ..... :cluebat:
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a right of centre Brexit Frexit?
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Well... having watched the stable uK currency bomb and not a few other 'little consequences' as a result of voting to leave.... the French will NOT be going that route under Macron...
Some posters seem determined to prove they do not understand the French electoral system.. Le Pen has lost already
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Macron won .. hardly 'news'
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Macron won .. hardly 'news'
What does this mean for us yanks? Europe will be any better? safer to travel to?
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Because the first thing French voters considered was how their vote would be perceived by Americans.
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@Boethius )))))))
@wallmart..
You ARE afraid... don't check the stats of the likelihood of being killed in an act of terror v an accident staying 'safe' at home....
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Le Pen gets a Hitler style schnurrbart and Macaroon gets little love hearts....
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/french-elections-2017-who-will-win/524775/
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2017/04/RTS14CG1/lead_960.jpg?1493402202)
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@Boethius )))))))
@wallmart..
You ARE afraid... don't check the stats of the likelihood of being killed in an act of terror v an accident staying 'safe' at home....
wanker, I am not afraid. I am cautious. ;)
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You ARE afraid... don't check the stats of the likelihood of being killed in an act of terror v an accident staying 'safe' at home....
Trap of interpreting statistics wrong.
Yes, more people die at home . . . because that's where they spend more time . . . not because there is more risk of being at home, on a minute to minute basis.
On a smaller scale, most car wrecks occur relatively close to one's home; not because it is less safe in that area . . . but because your car spends more time in that area.
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ML,
If car accidents generally occur closer to home, you should move.
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Trap of interpreting statistics wrong.
I think I spend more than 50 percent of my time away from home .... it's too dangerous...
Me? I prefer 'risking' flying via Istanbul on Turkish Airlines, transiting via Brussels / Domodedova airports , visiting Belfast Centre Centre ( 70's), Paris, Nice, London and all those places that are 'too dangerous' for cautious people
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cautious guy here.....I did go to Europe twice in last 6 months despite the ever present risk of being blown up. ;D
Seriously, our government issued a travel warning for all of Europe last week I believe plus our homeland security chief says he has sleepless nights thinking about planes being blown out of the sky.
Just get your shit together (i highly doubt Europeans are capable of it).
I will be going back to see my lady in 2 months and I will be in Europe again.
I just wont fly through/visit some areas. :P
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Maybe it was when Macaroni had used the word 'brotherhood'.
Watch at your own risk :popcorn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBC9gjOfrxg
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cautious guy here.....I did go to Europe twice in last 6 months despite the ever present risk of being blown up. ;D
Seriously, our government issued a travel warning for all of Europe last week I believe plus our homeland security chief says he has sleepless nights thinking about planes being blown out of the sky.
Advice from the UK Foreign and Commonwealth website re the USA:
"Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in the USA. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. You should monitor media reports and remain vigilant at all times."
Would it stop me visiting the USA ...? of course not ..
Just get your shit together
Rich coming from a nation that regarded getting on a domestic flight was like catching a bus - prior to 911 - security was CRAP
(i highly doubt Europeans are capable of it).
I will be going back to see my lady in 2 months and I will be in Europe again.
I just wont fly through/visit some areas. :P
A UK citizen was killed in Jan 207 in a terrorist attack on US soil
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38535699 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38535699)
How many died at the Pulse Club in Orlando ?
'Seriously', let's agree that being 'paranoid' about dying as a result of a terrorist attack in Europe is rather daft - given the odds AND the US having a far greater chance of being murdered...
You're probably SAFER over here :))
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Nah, I'm a gonna spend my holidays in Chicago. Great place to catch up on all of the niceties of US Society.
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Nah, I'm a gonna spend my holidays in Chicago. Great place to catch up on all of the niceties of US Society.
So long as you don't visit the South Side...or the North Side...or the West Side... or the East Side... :devil:
You had better ask Chicagoguy if he has a spare bed - he must be in a pretty safe area to have lived as long as he has! :clapping:
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If you import the third world....you become the third world
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/emmanuel-macrons-unlikely-path-to-the-french-presidency/2017/05/07/f8943ed8-bdc3-4ed4-8bbb-97a8781ff393_story.html
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_QhQJOUIAA3O1B.jpg)
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Who says France has imported the third world? France has always absorbed immigrants - waves of Portuguese, Italians, Poles, and White Russians.
Macron's voters were predominantly well educated, urban, and have higher incomes than those who supported Le Pen.
I heard a French woman interviewed on CBC, who, at 39, voted for the very first time for Macron. She said they were attempting to build a third party, different from the parties of the past, and when Macron's deputies are elected, many will be political neophytes.
Really, Macron was elected in the same way Trump was - as an outlier with no political experience.
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Who says France has imported the third world?
I didn't.
However, The United Nations claims...
Sweden to become a Third World Country by 2030, according to UN (http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html)
In 2010 Sweden had the 15th place in the HDI rankings but according to UN forecasts, Sweden will be #25 in 2015, and in 2030 on the 45th place.
Sweden is one of few countries with such a sharp deterioration from what it had in 2010.
Finland demonstrates one of the world's best school systems, while the Swedish school have lost competitiveness.
Fewer ends up on welfare dependency in their Nordic neighboring countries while Sweden continues to have a greater amount of family households forced to live on welfare, which are a couple factors causing the dropped global competitiveness.
Read on...
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html
I have no clue how Macaroon will do. We'll see.
It just 'seemed' to me that one claim complimented the other.
Would Charles De Gaulle have said that there is no such thing as French culture?
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tfcrew
You REALLY need to be more careful with your dubious sources of 'data' ...
The loony right 'think tank' ( charitable status) that you quoted from forgot to check the most recent data from 2016 - rather than the 2010 data used by the site you linked to!
Sweden IMPROVED her Ranking - up one place - now 14th in the world :D
Here's the link from the UN to the latest info:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/SWE (http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/SWE)
Interestingly, I reckon the terrible English from your misinfo site viz,
"In 2010 Sweden had the 15th place in the HDI rankings but according to UN forecasts, Sweden will be #25 in 2015, and in 2030 on the 45th place. "
suggests that this could have been written by a Russian ......
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suggests that this could have been written by a Russian ......
Actually, it was written by a Swede ;)
Here is progress in your globalist society which you seem to embrace..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjcpKY0hpo
Productive huh?
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It seems there are certain folks on these boards who live under some bizarre notion that Europe is 'lefty' and the pro EU, non anti-immigration parties are getting decimated...
'Merkel' in Germany - is right of centre - and her party took the biggest state in Germany from the Socialists and seems set to win another - 4th term - term in September.
http://www.france24.com/en/20170514-merkel-party-wins-key-regional-poll-northern-germany-cdu (http://www.france24.com/en/20170514-merkel-party-wins-key-regional-poll-northern-germany-cdu)
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Sorry to disappoint some but I strongly suspect the images depicted are either outright forgeries or in the case of the 17th century work a copy.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/art-loving-mafia-mobster-s-collection-in-italy-show/article/464991
Now if some one can get the rest of the paintings back stolen from Westfries Museum that would be news.
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Really, Macron was elected in the same way Trump was - as an outlier with no political experience.
Macron was a member of the Socialist Party from 2006 to 2009, Macron was
appointed deputy secretary-general in François Hollande's first government
in 2012. He was appointed Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs
in 2014 He resigned in August 2016 to launch a bid in the 2017 presidential
election
Trump had 98% of the press against him while Marcon had 98% that
were for him. Macron is a leftist/socialists while Trump is right of center.
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Macron is a liberal centrist, not a socialist or leftist. He also had never held an elected office until elected president.
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Sorry to disappoint some but I strongly suspect the images depicted are either outright forgeries or in the case of the 17th century work a copy.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/art-loving-mafia-mobster-s-collection-in-italy-show/article/464991
Now if some one can get the rest of the paintings back stolen from Westfries Museum that would be news.
Wouldn't authorities have checked that before putting the works on display?
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Wouldn't authorities have checked that before putting the works on display?
No must likely not. Bear in mind they were not in a museum. Looking at other images it seems the majority of paintings hanging were typical late 19th century and early 20th century landscapes and such.
There were no stunning masterpieces, that would hang for public view in a museum. Most would end up in the storage depot.
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Interesting. I read a number of years back that Dali is the most forged artist of the 20th century, particularly for print work.
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Sorry to disappoint some but I strongly suspect the images depicted are either outright forgeries or in the case of the 17th century work a copy.
Not quite. I recognise the 1st picture by Aligi Sassu, the 3rd as one of Giorgio de Chirico's many Piazza d'Italia, one of his favourite subjects (see http://www.italianways.com/le-piazze-ditalia-di-giorgio-de-chirico/).
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Macron is a liberal centrist, not a socialist or leftist. He also had never held an elected office until elected president.
From my post above
Macron was a member of the Socialist Party from 2006 to 2009, Macron was appointed
deputy secretary-general in François Hollande's first government in 2012. He was
appointed Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in 2014 by Socialist
Party President Hollande.
He spent the last 8 years employed as a socialist party worker for Hollande and now
you claim he's a centrist of some sort.
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All irrelevant. He founded En Marche, which is the party platform on which he ran, and that party is liberal centrist. Benoit Hamon ran as the Socialist's candidate.
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From my post above
Macron was a member of the Socialist Party from 2006 to 2009, Macron was appointed
deputy secretary-general in François Hollande's first government in 2012. He was
appointed Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in 2014 by Socialist
Party President Hollande.
He spent the last 8 years employed as a socialist party worker for Hollande and now
you claim he's a centrist of some sort.
"Centrist" is the new Socialist, Bill. It's easier to sell and swallow in Europe.
On the political spectrum in France a Conservative would sit at about a Rockefeller Republican and a Centrist would sit at about a Progressive Democrat (an example being Pelosi).
Macron has stated several times he wants to be France's Obama and Obama endorsed him prior to the vote. He also apparently tapped into some of Obama's old campaign consultants to oversee his campaign.
As in the US/Canada you'll be hard pressed to find much critical on the guy in the media. The French liberal media/MSM has pretty well eradicated or suppressed any critical media reporting about him.
Macron is for the most part a French Obama clone.
Brass
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...Macron has stated several times he wants to be France's Obama and Obama endorsed him prior to the vote. He also apparently tapped into some of Obama's old campaign consultants to oversee his campaign.
LMAO!
Hell, in my neck of the world, they created a new word, or term, for that. They call it *collusion*, if not *election interference*.
They even spend undue taxpayers monies chasing their tail in their supposed *investigations*.
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LMAO!
Hell, in my neck of the world, they created a new word, or term, for that. They call it *collusion*, if not *election interference*.
They even spend undue taxpayers monies chasing their tail in their supposed *investigations*.
In France they celebrate it. :P
Watch for this guy (once/if he solidifies his government) to swing hard left.
Brass
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Not quite. I recognise the 1st picture by Aligi Sassu, the 3rd as one of Giorgio de Chirico's many Piazza d'Italia, one of his favourite subjects (see http://www.italianways.com/le-piazze-ditalia-di-giorgio-de-chirico/).
I thought the de Chirico was indeed possible. My opinion on Aligi Sassu, is he a bad imitator of Marino Marini and the German die Brücke and der Blaue Reiter artists.
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I thought the de Chirico was indeed possible. My opinion on Aligi Sassu, is he a bad imitator of Marino Marini and the German die Brücke and der Blaue Reiter artists.
And yes the graphic art of Dali is highly forged.
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"Centrist" is the new Socialist, Bill. It's easier to sell and swallow in Europe.
:D
Ah, so I suppose the appointment of a right of centre PM - isn't awkward' for your 'theory'.....?
My politics is right of Centre - and Pro EU. There is no party in the UK, currently - that broadly covers the Macron spectrum. His new PM - Ediuard Philippe - is a member of the Republican Party ( clue: right of centre)
On the political spectrum in France a Conservative would sit at about a Rockefeller Republican and a Centrist would sit at about a Progressive Democrat (an example being Pelosi).
:D
The differences between having a left wing and right wing govt in France have been traditionally FAR more than the US.
Macron has stated several times he wants to be France's Obama
You may even be correct - but could you show us where, please? I have heard this SAID by the loony "the local and beibarts" - who turn editorial opinion into 'news' ..could that be from where you 'learnt' it ? .... I searched ( in English and French) under 'Macron wants to be like / emulate Obama ...
and Obama endorsed him prior to the vote. He also apparently tapped into some of Obama's old campaign consultants to oversee his campaign.
1/ Not the same thing as Macron wishing to emulate Obama
2/ The UK Tory party used some of Obama's campaign staff - and surprisingly - won the 2015 election ? Did that make the Tories 'lefties' :D?
As in the US/Canada you'll be hard pressed to find much critical on the guy in the media. The French liberal media/MSM has pretty well eradicated or suppressed any critical media reporting about him.
Now you really ARE proving your 'credentials' to be an expert on French Newspapers...
I LIVED in France - once spoke it VERY well and consulted a Brit friend of mine- who has lived in France 10 years .. I suggest you read Le Figaro (http://www.lefigaro.fr/) - clearly right of centre ..Today's headline ? ..The Republican Party is in turmoil as many of it's serving members - seem VERY happy to be part of Macron's team :
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2017/05/16/01002-20170516ARTFIG00352-l-onde-de-choc-macron-fait-vaciller-la-droite-avant-les-legislatives.php (http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2017/05/16/01002-20170516ARTFIG00352-l-onde-de-choc-macron-fait-vaciller-la-droite-avant-les-legislatives.php)
Macron is for the most part a French Obama clone.
An opinion can't be 'wrong' of course - but certainly - judging by some of the 'facts' you base such a stance on ....
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Emmanuel Macron
✔ @EmmanuelMacron
Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion @BarackObama.
11:43 AM - 20 Apr 2017
twitter.com (http://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fworld%2F2017%2F4%2F20%2F15376214%2Fobama-emmanuel-macron-call-french-election)
..."Obama’s spokesperson said this was not a formal endorsement, but the former U.S. president doesn’t appear to have called any other French presidential candidate. “President Obama appreciated the opportunity to hear from Mr. Macron about his campaign and the important upcoming presidential election in France, a country that President Obama remains deeply committed to as a close ally of the United States, and as a leader on behalf of liberal values in Europe and around the world,” said Obama’s spokesman, Kevin Lewis."...
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/obama-sort-of-wades-into-the-french-presidential-race.html
No ambiguity there for those that understand politics. Our resident uninformed troll msmob will take issue with it, of course. ;)
Brass
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Emmanuel Macron
✔ @EmmanuelMacron
Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion @BarackObama.
No ambiguity there for those that understand politics. Our resident uninformed troll msmob will take issue with it, of course. ;)
Ah, so THAT was 'it' ? Your 'proof' that "Macron wanted to be France's Obama" ? ...;)
I note you ducked admitting your expertise' as to French newspapers .... and Marcon's choice of a right of REPUBLICAN - that's Conservative - with a big C - as a clue - Prime Minister..
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Ah, so THAT was 'it' ? Your 'proof' that "Macron wanted to be France's Obama" ? ...;)
I note you ducked admitting your expertise' as to French newspapers .... and Marcon's choice of a right of REPUBLICAN - that's Conservative - with a big C - as a clue - Prime Minister..
No you stupid little man this refutes your totally inept argument above that Macron is somehow not a left of center politician.
If you insist on continually barking to get my attention, quoting my posts and making gauche statements (still looking for your bi annual cyber slap down no doubt) try to keep track of your own bumbling, intoxicated trolling.
If/when I decide or have the time to locate his Obama fluff tweet, I'll do so. In the meantime the membership can laugh at your wine swilled 'Macron is not a Socialist' blunder.
Brass
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No you stupid little man this refutes your totally inept argument above that Macron is somehow not a left of center politician.
Sighs - here we go ..
Care to deal with the specific points you ducked and I'll indulge your daftness re Macron?
If you insist on continually barking to get my attention, quoting my posts and making gauche statements (still looking for your bi annual cyber slap down no doubt) try to keep track of your own bumbling, intoxicated trolling.
Brass, part of my continuing to be a member of this board was a promise not to rise to your ability to suggest stuff about my life that was either 'untrue' when it was fact or 'true' when it was a figment of your imagination... I suspect you realise this .. Perhaps some sort of 'diversion' as to my taking you up on the accuracy of your post to Beel ?
I am picking you up on your clear misunderstanding of French Politics
Macron was indeed a member of the Socialist govt cabinet - he is forming a govt made up of a coalition -
Politicians from the REPUBLICAN Party ... and Socialists - hence Centralist
During his time, serving under Hollande he vowed to end the Le Touquet Treaty - if UK the voted to leave the EU. Hollande made noises to the effect that he was 'speaking out of turn' .... UK media called it a 'slapping down'
Macron won, because he appealed to voters from both spectrums. ( The Treaty allowed The British Border Control to be on French soil and the UK pays the French to handle the illegals that try to enter the UK)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/28/emmanuel-macron-ill-renegotiate-le-touquet-border-treaty (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/28/emmanuel-macron-ill-renegotiate-le-touquet-border-treaty)
"The politician previously raised the issue when he was economy minister, suggesting that his country could tear up the treaty if the UK left the EU."
He was already right of his colleagues. He beat his former Boss, with whom he had some major differences and who didn't stand because he knew he would lose... So much for the 'slap-down from Hollande...
If/when I decide or have the time to locate his Obama fluff tweet, I'll do so. In the meantime the membership can laugh at your wine swilled 'Macron is not a Socialist' blunder.
Brass
Where did I say he wasn't a Socialist ? I haven't drunk wine for 3 weeks, btw.. Another classic example of a Brass "I know more about Moby's life, than Moby!"
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Keep barking, little dog.
Brass
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Found a really apt photo to describe the lunacy of the UK Brexit vote and behaviour of my unelected leader and cabinet since :
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k634/Svietik/Greedy%20UK_zpsfrp67e21.png)
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Police in England Report Fatalities at Ariana Grande Concert
LONDON — The sound of explosions thundered through a concert arena in Manchester, England, on Monday night just as a performance by the pop star Ariana Grande was ending. The police reported multiple deaths and injuries as the panicky crowd of spectators, which included children, fled.
There was no immediate word from the police on the cause, but it immediately evoked the terrorist attacks in Paris (http://www.nytimes.com/news-event/attacks-in-paris?inline=nyt-classifier) in November of 2015, which included a deadly assault inside a concert arena where the Eagles of Death Metal had been playing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/world/europe/ariana-grande-manchester-police.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/world/europe/ariana-grande-manchester-police.html?_r=0)
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Police in England Report Fatalities at Ariana Grande Concert
My flight from was late and I flew over Manchester - just before the sh1t hit the fan .... as we left the airport .. too many blue flashing lights were heading into the city centre...
Gtrt Manchester Police say 19 dead and 15 injured..
Treating it as a terrorist attack
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-manchester-40007967 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-manchester-40007967)
Some reports from the USA (?) say it was a suicide bomber - HOW would they know ?
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Some reports from the USA (?) say it was a suicide bomber - HOW would they know ?
Probably because your PM says she's treating the incident like a terrorist attack. Same ole song and dance. I don't think they're going to conclude anything different.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-police-say-19-dead-50-injured-in-manchester-terrorist-incident/ar-BBBpkeK?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident'
Witnesses have said that armed officers are understood to be at the scene after a white transit van mounted the pavement before driving into people.
The Met Police say they are dealing with an incident on the bridge and "multiple resources" are in attendance.
Transport for London said the bridge has been closed in both directions due to a "major police incident". - Latest updates on London Bridge incident (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916)
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PANIC AT LONDON BRIDGE London Bridge attack: Terror incident leaves up to seven feared dead after van ploughs into pedestrians ‘before three men with hunting knives jump out and start stabbing people’ Police 'gun down two attackers' with incidents in Borough Market and Vauxhall
http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3717339/london-bridge-attack-car-police-response-latest/
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- At least 17 people have died in Wednesday’s fire at Grenfell Tower. Police have said the death toll is likely to rise.
- Sniffer dogs are being sent into the burnt-out tower to search for bodies, while structural engineers work to make the building safe for firefighters to search. The search operation could take weeks, according to the Met commander Stuart Cundy.
- A ruptured gas main hampered efforts to quell the fire overnight. It was finally brought under control at 1.14am on Thursday.
- Theresa May visited the scene where she met members of the emergency services. She was criticised for failing to meet residents during the visit. Jeremy Corbyn also visited the scene.
- Nine firefighters were hurt in the rescue and there are concerns for their mental health. The fire commander Dany Cotton said: “I’m more concerned longer term about the mental impact on a lot of people who were here. People saw and heard things on a scale they have never seen before.”
- Labour is demanding a special Commons session to question a senior minister about what the government plans to do in the wake of the fire and ask why it failed to act on coroners’ concerns about two previous tower block fires (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/labour-says-government-must-answer-serious-questions-after-grenfell-fire). The Labour MP for Tottenham, David Lammy, said that what happened amounted to “corporate manslaughter”.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/14/grenfell-tower-major-fire-london-apartment-block-white-city-latimer-road
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A total of 58 people are dead or missing, presumed dead, following the devastating fire at Grenfell Tower in west London, police have said.
Commander Stuart Cundy said that number "may increase". The BBC understands it could be about 70 people in total.
The recovery operation at the burnt-out block of flats has resumed and could take weeks, he said.
Meanwhile, PM Theresa May admitted support for families in the "initial hours" was "not good enough".
The statement came after Mrs May met volunteers and some of the people made homeless by the fire.
As they left Number 10, one representative spoke to reporters briefly, saying they would not make a full statement yet.
"We will be making this in the community, with the community," he said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40315194
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This is the news I feared ..
A whack-job takes their 'revenge' on 'Muslims' ..
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40324590 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40324590)
Now at least one more 'Muslim' will take revenge on 'Christians'
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Well, TBH moby, an attack on the "infidels" is going to occur whether or not this had happened.
There was an attack on police on the Champs Elysees today as well, thwarted by the police.
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This is the news I feared ..
A whack-job takes their 'revenge' on 'Muslims' ..
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40324590 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40324590)
Now at least one more 'Muslim' will take revenge on 'Christians'
Yup. I overheard some older 'patriot' types today being a bit proud regarding the attack. I've heard those same 'patriots' piss and moan when a 'muzzie' commits the same acts! The hypocrisy on a daily basis never ends.
Fathertime!
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Yeah...let's replace those hypocritical patriots with more migrants ::)
Interior ministers from France, Germany and Italy met in Paris over the weekend to talk about Italy’s migrant crisis. Further discussions are expected to take place later this week during EU talks in Tallinn this week.Italy had threatened to block NGO ships that have been transporting what is says is the “unsustainable” flow of people to its shores.
Some 1.7 refugees and migrants have reached EU shores since 2014, reported Reuters. Italy has admitted 500,000 during that period. The numbers are growing.
http://www.euronews.com/2017/07/03/france-germany-italy-agree-to-work-together-on-migrant-crisis-talin
I guess that would be 1.7 million
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ay1VMQG-Jk
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Charlie Gard parents end legal fight for 'beautiful' baby
The parents of terminally ill baby Charlie Gard have ended their legal challenge to take him to the US for experimental treatment.
A lawyer representing Chris Gard and Connie Yates told the High Court "time had run out" for the baby.
Mr Gard said it meant his "sweet, gorgeous, innocent little boy" will not reach his first birthday on 4 August.
"To let our beautiful little Charlie go" is "the hardest thing we'll ever have to do", his mother said.
Charlie's parents said they made the decision because a US doctor had told them it was now too late to give Charlie nucleoside therapy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-40708343
Why did the British medical system even care what the Gard family did with baby Charlie?
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Why did the British medical system even care what the Gard family did with baby Charlie?
Because the hospital authorities believed the child was in pain and wanted to 'end it' ... the parents wanted to continue the child's life - even though they knew it couldn't live - for the benefit of others ...
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Because the hospital authorities believed the child was in pain and wanted to 'end it' ... the parents wanted to continue the child's life - even though they knew it couldn't live - for the benefit of others ...
The hospital authorities wanted to euthanize the kid?
They have the say so?
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The hospital authorities wanted to euthanize the kid?
They have the say so?
They sought the Court's permission to do so - on the basis of the child's pain and suffering - YES !
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Can't believe what went on yesterday in Catalonia ...Spanish Police were WAY OTT.. How the *beep* can we advise other nations to behave when an EU govt. behaves like a dictatorship ? The EASY solution was to let the 'referendum' happen and to ignore it .... BET popularity / sympathy / public awareness went through the roof for a leave ... Spanish PM goes on TV and behaves like nothing happened??!!
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Paris attacker 'was on anti-terror watchlist' for radicalism
The ISIS "soldier" who stabbed people on a Paris street was on an anti-terror watchlist of suspected extremists, Sky News reported Sunday.
Three friends of the Chechnyan-born attacker have been taken in for questioning since Saturday night’s attack near the Paris Opera which killed one man and wounded four others.
Police killed the 20-year-old man, identified by the president of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, as Khasan Azimov, according to the Associated Press.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/05/13/paris-attacker-was-on-anti-terror-watchlist-for-radicalism.html
video
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Am I reading this correctly? Were there only 5173 arrests in Italy last year?
http://m.ilgiornale.it/news/2019/04/10/e-straniero-un-arrestato-su-cinque-i-primi-sono-albanesi-e-nigeriani/1677315/
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where's Sandro?
seek out the Italian and seek his wise counsel
t'was once a Saskatchewanian from Saskatoon
who commuted to work in a purple balloon
unless it rained...
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Or, BC ..
The Italians must make that many arrests for driving offences, alone ? ;)
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Am I reading this correctly? Were there only 5173 arrests in Italy last year?
That figure refers to arrests only in the province of Lecco, a city (bottom right) on a branch of Lake Como.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Lagodicomo.png/210px-Lagodicomo.png)
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Lecco, a city (bottom right) on a branch of Lake Como.
What was the name of this lake before it was named for Perry ?
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What was the name of this lake before it was named for Perry ?
Iyahopeayourajokesagetabetteri ;)
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What was the name of this lake before it was named for Perry ?
Larius lacus in Latin ;).
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Sentiero_del_Viandante_DSC_6340_%2814020554463%29.jpg/1024px-Sentiero_del_Viandante_DSC_6340_%2814020554463%29.jpg)
The hills surrounding the current location of Como were inhabited, since at least the Bronze Age, by a Celtic tribe known as the Orobii. Around the 1st century BC, the territory became subject to the Romans. The town center was situated on the nearby hills, but it was then moved to its current location by order of Julius Caesar, who had the swamp near the southern tip of the lake drained and laid the plan of the walled city in the typical Roman grid of perpendicular streets. The newly founded town was named Novum Comum and had the status of municipium.
Como was the birthplace of many historical figures: the writers Pliny the Elder and Pliny the Younger, Pope Innocent XI, scientist Alessandro Volta. The latter is celebrated on the lake shore by a solid mausoleum (Tempio Voltiano)
(http://www.floriani.it/tempiovoltiano.jpg)
against which I crashed and luckily was not killed :D during my first, and last, flight lesson on a float plane of the local Aero Club, whose President was at the controls, in September, 1984 (http://www.floriani.it/Como-eng.htm).
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That figure refers to arrests only in the province of Lecco, a city (bottom right) on a branch of Lake Como.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Lagodicomo.png/210px-Lagodicomo.png)
Thanks, Sandro. That makes more sense.
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Notre Dame Cathedral as massive fire rages - The roof of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral collapsed Monday as a massive fire ripped through the structure.
- The city's mayor and firefighters warned people to stay away from the area. There have been no confirmed deaths, according to Paris police, while a French government official said no injuries had yet been reported.
- President Emmanuel Macron will be going to the scene of the fire, according to an Elysee official. He mourned the landmark in a tweet.
- (http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2019/04/15/105852942-1555351388756gettyimages-1137423310.530x298.jpeg?v=1555353600)
http://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/15/paris-notre-dame-cathedral-on-fire-reuters.html
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is already talk about restoration of what appears now as total destruction. I have doubts there.
The construction of Notre Dame began in the mid 11th century. 52 acres of timber was used and it took 200 years to complete. It was certainly an amazing artifact.
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7 or 8 services were planned for Easter next Sunday expecting around 100,000 in total attendance.
Video and updates here... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/15/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-paris/3474597002/
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Seen construction scaffolding at the scene. I'd bet money a construction worker accidently started the fire. Welding and soldering can do that.
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The most important to come : who is responsible for such fire?
If it's not criminal it's ok.
If it's criminal and with some religious motivation, that's will be a storm in the next weeks, months.
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My sincere sympathy Pat.
Loving history and art, I feel a great loss. And I am just an American, a Protestant one, who has been to Paris only twice. Millions of tears are flowing in Paris tonight.
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"that's will be a storm in the next weeks, months."
Lafayette, WE ARE HERE!!!!
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The Notre Dame bells-----
A picture link at wiki.... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_-_Les_nouvelles_cloches_-_001.jpg/800px-Notre-Dame_de_Paris_-_Les_nouvelles_cloches_-_001.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#Bells
The bells [10] have all been named. Also they are tuned. How would they tune a bell that weighs 13 tons?
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I hope it is an accidental event.
So close to Easter, though, I would not be stunned if this were arson.
The World Trade Center, the Pentagon and an attempt on the US Capitol, we have an inkling of how it feels.....
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I hope it is an accidental event.
It seems so, according to initial impressions of the Paris fire fighters on the scene. The fire seems to have started from the scaffolding in place for the cathedral restoration -ironically ::) - and spread to the under roof areas, then the spire.
Heavy Medieval cathedrals like Notre-Dame (built from 1163 to 1344) relied on relatively light wooden timber architraves and trusses to support their roofs.
(http://i.pinimg.com/236x/95/75/8a/95758a3019da44d4ff783353498c4571--architecture-diagrams-historical-architecture.jpg)
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How would they tune a bell that weighs 13 tons?
By sanding its internal surface (in pink below) until the desired sound frequency is obtained when striking it.
(http://www.campanologia.it/contenuto/immagini/01-ATS/ATS-J02/ATS-J02-10-Accordatura-Campana/ATS-J02-10-Accordatura-Campana-001.jpg)
The sound made by a struck metal surface depends on its length (fixed in a bell) and thickness.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Glockenspiel.jpg/800px-Glockenspiel.jpg)
Glockenspiel (Glocken=bells+Spiel=sound)
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The vaulted ceiling constructed of huge timbers collapsed, which would reduce the outward push on the walls.
Yet it seems the walls and the famous flying buttresses remain intact. :clapping:
Two French billionaires from the luxury goods business are donating hundreds of millions to reconstruct the cathedral.
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which would reduce the outward push on the walls.
Supported by flying buttresses. Gothic cathedrals reached for the sky ad majorem Dei gloria, and their colossal weight had to be lightened in various ways, for instance by huge windows - not only to admit light within.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Sainte_Chapelle_-_Upper_level_1.jpg/220px-Sainte_Chapelle_-_Upper_level_1.jpg)
The Sainte-Chapelle, also in Paris
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Can someone stick a dummy, ( 'pacifier / soother' ) in 'Trampu's' gob, please ?
http://www.france24.com/en/20190415-notre-dame-blaze-flying-water-tankers-not-option-paris-france-firefighters (http://www.france24.com/en/20190415-notre-dame-blaze-flying-water-tankers-not-option-paris-france-firefighters)
I realise the USA doesn't have buildings this old ..but
"The use of flying water tankers to extinguish the fire at Notre-Dame Cathedral is not an option, French officials said on Monday night. The weight of the water could cause the entire structure to collapse."
The problem now, is to stop the walls falling INwards - as the roof pushd the walls out ..
Not too many experts in 'Gothic' Cathedrals about ...
Apparently - France's major Churches have 3D scans of their makeup - so this will help - plus the fact that many artefacts had been removed during the restoration - so are not lost
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Can someone stick a dummy, ( 'pacifier / soother' ) in 'Trampu's' gob, please ?
http://www.france24.com/en/20190415-notre-dame-blaze-flying-water-tankers-not-option-paris-france-firefighters (http://www.france24.com/en/20190415-notre-dame-blaze-flying-water-tankers-not-option-paris-france-firefighters)
I realise the USA doesn't have buildings this old ..but
"The use of flying water tankers to extinguish the fire at Notre-Dame Cathedral is not an option, French officials said on Monday night. The weight of the water could cause the entire structure to collapse."
The problem now, is to stop the walls falling INwards - as the roof pushd the walls out ..
Not too many experts in 'Gothic' Cathedrals about ...
Apparently - France's major Churches have 3D scans of their makeup - so this will help - plus the fact that many artefacts had been removed during the restoration - so are not lost
I see the media lies about Trump again when they claim he said aerial tankers can do the job. Trump said "Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!" Trump saying "perhaps" means he has some doubt but mentioning it may be a solution to fighting the fire.
The media assumes Trump is talking jumbo jet tankers. Single prop airplanes carry a few hundred gallons of water at a time and can distribute the weight of water so not to collapse the roof.... which happened anyway. Helicopters with buckets can grab water from the river and drop the water with precision. Also the buckets and tanks have gates that can control the flow of water.
Instead of appreciating Trump for suggesting a solution, anti Trumpers got to complain...again.
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It appears that all the statuary that surrounded the spire were removed for renovation. Thus the heavy items that may have fallen into the sanctuary were secure in storage.
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Only Silly BillyB could try to suggest what 'Trampu' posted wasn't dumb..
At least he isn't suggesting it is a terrorist act and spreading bollox about 'two laughing Muslims celebrating their arson'....
I cannot figure out if those sharing such things are that gullible or stirring up trouble, to polarise..((
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Before and after shots
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47947425 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47947425)
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Before and after shots http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47947425 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47947425)
A fine and thorough image coverage of th event. BBC :clapping:.
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Notre Dame may take decades to fix. The first concerns are water and soot There are millions of gallons of water poured into the structure that will seep down to the crypt, the basement...Pumping out that water could take months, and years may pass before the entire building is completely dry.
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-notre-dame-fire-rebuild-science-engineering-20190417-story.htmlAs of Wednesday morning, about €880 million ($994 million) had been raised (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-notre-dame-fundraising-20190417-story.html) for what is sure to be a massive rebuilding project, Presidential cultural heritage envoy Stephane Bern told broadcaster France-Info.
Much of that money is coming from some wealthy French citizens, including Salma Hayek’s husband François-Henri Pinault, who heads Kering SA, the fashion company behind Gucci and Alexander McQueen among other luxury designers. Pinault pledged a donation of €100 million (http://people.com/travel/salma-hayek-billionaire-husband-pledges-100-million-rebuild-notre-dame/) ($113 million).
http://people.com/travel/1-billion-donated-to-notre-dame-in-two-days-after-massive-fire-ravaged-paris-cathedral/
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Only two U.S. presidents - Barack Obama in 2011 and George W. Bush in 2003 - have previously been invited for full state visits
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Trump-accepts-invitation-by-Queen-Elizabeth-to-visit-UK-587682
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http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Trump-accepts-invitation-by-Queen-Elizabeth-to-visit-UK-587682
you might like to check your sources..
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you might like to check your sources..
OK Mr Vague........
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/23/president-trump-first-lady-melania-trump-visit-queen-elizabeth-ii/3547455002/
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/04/23/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-queen-elizabeth-moos-pkg-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/
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Mr Vague is STILL telling you that you really do need to wise up re your sources ..
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Mr Vague is STILL telling you that you really do need to wise up re your sources ..
Thanks anyway Mr Ambiguous.
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Thanks anyway Mr Ambiguous.
Good morning,
I note you 'modified my nick' rather than checking your sources))
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Mr Vague is STILL telling you that you really do need to wise up re your sources ..
Whats wrong with his sources? Are you denying President Trump has been invited to a state visit by your Queen?
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I note you 'modified my nick' rather than checking your sources
Your 'nick' is quite valid...so are my sources.
Now stay on topic please.
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Looks like they have Louie, Huey, and Dewey...and then Frank Zappa
The constant clashes between Pablo Casado and Albert Rivera, the leaders of the Popular Party (PP) and Ciudadanos (Citizens), meant that the prime minister, Pedro Sánchez of the Socialist Party (PSOE), was largely spared the onslaught that he had been expecting.
At the first debate on Monday (http://elpais.com/elpais/2019/04/23/inenglish/1556002123_984569.html), Sánchez had faced a barrage of criticism from his rivals, which also include Pablo Iglesias of the leftist Podemos party, particularly over the issue of Catalan independence.
http://elpais.com/elpais/2019/04/24/inenglish/1556088918_583955.html
(http://ep01.epimg.net/elpais/imagenes/2019/04/24/inenglish/1556088918_583955_1556089099_noticiarelacionadaprincipal_normal_recorte1.jpg)
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I believe what moby objects to is the characterization of Trump visiting Queen Elizabeth. He is not. He is visiting the UK.
State visits to the UK, by protocol, are issued by Buckingham Palace. But who those invitations are issued to is determined by the UK government, not Her Majesty. As head of state, she hosts official state dinners, and her office extends the invitation, however, that is purely ceremonial.
http://twitter.com/CepeSmith/status/1120760564991647745 (http://twitter.com/CepeSmith/status/1120760564991647745)
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I believe what moby objects to is the characterization of Trump visiting Queen Elizabeth.
Well then why is he so ambiguous that he needs a spokesperson? According to CNN--"The most trusted name in news" ..."DT & QE -back together again'' (http://bibleforums.org/images/smilies/redface.gif)
Anyway...what other prime minister jobs are open?
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I'm not his spokesperson. I just understand the point because I also reside in a Commonwealth country, where Queen Elizabeth is our head of state.
I don't think PM May's position is open just yet.
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I believe what moby objects to is the characterization of Trump visiting Queen Elizabeth. He is not. He is visiting the UK.
State visits to the UK, by protocol, are issued by Buckingham Palace. But who those invitations are issued to is determined by the UK government, not Her Majesty. As head of state, she hosts official state dinners, and her office extends the invitation, however, that is purely ceremonial.
http://twitter.com/CepeSmith/status/1120760564991647745 (http://twitter.com/CepeSmith/status/1120760564991647745)
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Semantics. He is invited to a state dinner and will meet with the Queen. He can split those hairs all he likes.
:ROFL:
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The semantics is exactly what he objected to, though.
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...what other prime minister jobs are open?
I guess Spain is it for awhile [I wonder why they have elections on Sunday in an odd number year?] Other stuff----
Why the European Parliament elections will be the most European yet......
Manfred Weber bounded onto the stage and launched his programme for Europe, which included a European FBI, ending the EU’s accession talks with Turkey and new efforts to find a cure for cancer.It all felt rather silly. Mr Weber is the Spitzenkandidat or “lead candidate” of the European People’s Party (EPP), the group of European centre-right parties, for the European Parliament elections that will be held between May 23rd and the 26th.
http://www.economist.com/europe/2019/04/27/why-the-european-parliament-elections-will-be-the-most-european-yet (http://www.economist.com/europe/2019/04/27/why-the-european-parliament-elections-will-be-the-most-european-yet)
Found upcoming [all various] Europe elections here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elections_in_2019
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The semantics is exactly what he objected to, though.
Did he post this objection and I didn't see it? Otherwise, how do we know that?
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It's obvious to me what the issue was.
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