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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1125 on: April 26, 2018, 05:28:46 PM »
I am not willing to be played for a fool or a mug. If a girl comes out with stuff like the girl I was with did about not wanting to see me in her home town most guys who didnt know would be thinking something is dodgy here - that she is playing a game and not serious and/or playing the guy for a fool for what she can get. I'm pretty sure I would not be out of the ordinary of most WM that would think that.


You were told here, in real time, that her concerns were normal for a woman her age living in a smaller centre.  You dismissed those concerns.  So don't suggest this was abnormal, or that you were not told she was not playing a game.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1126 on: April 26, 2018, 05:39:36 PM »

You were told here, in real time, that her concerns were normal for a woman her age living in a smaller centre.  You dismissed those concerns.  So don't suggest this was abnormal, or that you were not told she was not playing a game.

Yes but that happened after all of the disagreement with her on it. By that time she had started looking for other mend on the dating site online - I find such behaviour highly deceitful. This was while I tried to discuss things thorough with her, this heightened my sense of distrust for her even more. If she was that into me she would have tried to work things out more - but don't tell me I'm guessing I'm in the wrong here also!
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1127 on: April 26, 2018, 05:49:34 PM »
No, you were posting here in real time. You refused to even entertain the idea of her visiting you, as improbable as it was. You also assumed she was playing you. I suspect she picked up on that.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1128 on: April 26, 2018, 06:11:17 PM »
If you were less condersending towards me on the first Mobe then I would not have made the joke.

IF you care to check, I tried to help you - at first - before I realised you were either trolling or just beyond help and not someone you'd want one's daughter bringing home as a prospective hubby

Once again - your 'joke' was only 'funny' to someone  who has zip social skills and empathy.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1129 on: April 26, 2018, 08:17:16 PM »
trench,

a lot of good things can be said about masturbation

when you see the level of satisfaction it produces
vrs. the cost/effort 
you can't help but conclude that it's the most efficient/cost effective system for sexual gratification that mankind has ever created!

second most efficient is prostitution
does that idea appeal to you?
Odessa is now about 20 pounds a night, you could rent a 20 yr escort to spend a weekend with you for 1000 pounds
what is it a 6 hr flight to/from Heathrow?
it's not romance, there's no love there, but there will be PLENTY of sex, guaranteed

I think this beats (if you'll pardon me for saying so) masturbation
I think you'll enjoy it more and it's guaranteed, and you might learn a thing or two from the experience...










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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1130 on: April 27, 2018, 01:53:33 AM »
trench,

a lot of good things can be said about masturbation

when you see the level of satisfaction it produces
vrs. the cost/effort 
you can't help but conclude that it's the most efficient/cost effective system for sexual gratification that mankind has ever created!

second most efficient is prostitution
does that idea appeal to you?
Odessa is now about 20 pounds a night, you could rent a 20 yr escort to spend a weekend with you for 1000 pounds
what is it a 6 hr flight to/from Heathrow?
it's not romance, there's no love there, but there will be PLENTY of sex, guaranteed

I think this beats (if you'll pardon me for saying so) masturbation
I think you'll enjoy it more and it's guaranteed, and you might learn a thing or two from the experience...

Apparently masterbation is one of the best ways for relieving stress of the mind.

I've already said that prostitution does little for me. I've never tried it and any thought of trying it went with the last girl I was with. While the sex was great I found any doubt that were generated from time to time that she might do this as her business if not be a full blown prostitute as a downer sexually. I 'need' to feel that the girl is with me 100 percent because she is into me and not for the money or some other alterior motive. Only then do I think I would reach my full satisfaction sexually. The more a girl is found it for money etc like a prostitute the less sexually I would be turned on anyway. The idea of going with a prostitute kind of feels a too low life as well and not the thing to do.

So I don't think I would learn anything more from the experience that I don't already know. I'm not even really sure why you suggest it.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1131 on: April 27, 2018, 04:08:22 AM »
dude you keep saying that a girl needs to be 100% into you.  You as the man need to give the reasons for her to like you.  Everything you write here shows me that you have no clue.  You got no charm, wit, intelligence.  You make crude jokes and have a lack of sensitivity towards people.

I told you to go to the local pub and chat up the girls.  You can't even do that.  Throw in a language and cultural barrier and what makes you think you'll succeed.

Most of the guys here have Russian and FSU women as friends and could introduce you.  If they thought you were a decent, stand up guy with alot to offer.  Yet no one will vouch for you.  Think why that is and how you can turn it around.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1132 on: April 27, 2018, 04:27:41 AM »
dude you keep saying that a girl needs to be 100% into you.  You as the man need to give the reasons for her to like you.  Everything you write here shows me that you have no clue.  You got no charm, wit, intelligence.  You make crude jokes and have a lack of sensitivity towards people.

I told you to go to the local pub and chat up the girls.  You can't even do that.  Throw in a language and cultural barrier and what makes you think you'll succeed.

Most of the guys here have Russian and FSU women as friends and could introduce you.  If they thought you were a decent, stand up guy with alot to offer.  Yet no one will vouch for you.  Think why that is and how you can turn it around.

 :cheesy:  My woman, who have read many of his posts here, she has a lot of single girlfriends who now - after meeting me and seeing me and her together - also have started to look for this outside Ukraine - several of them registred on fdating, she has warned them firmly to be aware if any brittish dude tries to contact them, after she read a number of post he did here last summer, she was quite disgusted by his view on women and relationships.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1133 on: April 27, 2018, 04:59:43 AM »
Trench it's pretty obvious that you haven't lived outside of the UK.  You don't know much about different cultures or how to interact with people. 

You were already played like a fool, you bought stuff for the girl and never heard from her again. 

So, you booked your flight yet?  Almost May now.

No I have not lived outside the UK other than holidays etc. That said I think a lot of guys would be perplexed by telegraph cultural differences that come up and many not even realise they were dealing with cultural differences, for me it was a graso hut fir many others the wouldn't even catch on I'm pretty sure.

The girl was manipulative and somewhat materialistic these were her character faults. She was into me to at least some degree I think but ghe combination of her character flaws & cultural differences threw me off. I think her manipulative nature meant she was playing me but not playing me for a fool. I think she really believed herself this is how a relationship works with a WM from what she had heard/been told. She actually is a very sweet girl, very pretty but no pro dater glamazon. I don't think she dated men for a living but did seriously want to find someone even if her ideas on it were some way off, my ideas on it too may have been a bit off.

She contacted me afterwards and vice versa a fair amount but our disagreement on meeting up etc meant this relationship was going nowhere at least for now. I still have contact with her on Skype but have not contacted her for several months. Essentially there would be a lot to work through and I'm not convinced that progress could be made where it is needed, not yet at least.

She would have to be more accepting of compromise on meeting up elsewhere if not her home town. She won't accept that the UK would not give her a visa to visit - something even Mobers backs me up on. Then the buying of fashion brand clothing at a too frequent rate would need to be tackled.

Possibly she might come around in a year or so time but at the moment I think she still probably will not budge on anything. In a year or so she may mature a bit more and things could change. At the moment though I think any attempt to resolve our differences would run into the same problems. She's looking for a man that will do at least what I did to cater for her then more so. Truth is she will not find him or at least highly unlikely to. Most men will not go as far as I did or they will go so far in buying her stuff then get fed up like I did. Most men will either run at first sussing her out or her first demand or will not bother with her in the first place as she lives so far out from the big airport cities/in an industrial backwater. That is how I know I could go back to get in 1,2,3..5..7...10 etc years time and she'll still be there in the same position. I'm not going to wait 5 years or more I'm going to get out to the FSU this year and see if I can find a woman without such character flaws, she can wait for me and then maybe, just maybe.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1134 on: April 27, 2018, 05:09:39 AM »
dude you keep saying that a girl needs to be 100% into you.  You as the man need to give the reasons for her to like you.  Everything you write here shows me that you have no clue.  You got no charm, wit, intelligence.  You make crude jokes and have a lack of sensitivity towards people.

I told you to go to the local pub and chat up the girls.  You can't even do that.  Throw in a language and cultural barrier and what makes you think you'll succeed.

Most of the guys here have Russian and FSU women as friends and could introduce you.  If they thought you were a decent, stand up guy with alto to offer.  Yet no one will vouch for you.  Think why that is and how you can turn it around.
Going back a long  time ago here on the forum  it was his ignorant,insulting,offensive  ( let alone just plain dumb stupid) comments on Ukraine and Ukrainian women  that set me off !!
His response -- to me and Nightwish( whose comments and attitude to him is & were very similar to mine) was to insult and attack us in an even more ignorant way.

:cheesy:  My woman, who have read many of his posts here, she has a lot of single girlfriends who now - after meeting me and seeing me and her together - also have started to look for this outside Ukraine - several of them registred on fdating, she has warned them firmly to be aware if any brittish dude tries to contact them, after she read a number of post he did here last summer, she was quite disgusted by his view on women and relationships.
One of his many problems is that he is incapable of learning . He prefers to believe those who are not critical of him ( ala the silly Billies_ ) and the attempted sex tourist DK  instead of understanding what is solid advice.
I have only bothered offering anything in threads he pollutes to try and show lurkers how ridiculous his comments are --and his ideas

Some think he is bullied here --those that make that comment need to read the nonsense that he keeps on keeping on with,
Going back some years I used to avoid contact with 'western" guys looking,but after coming to the forums ,I got more interested in who.what/why etc of guys. Generally speaking,I was horrified at the "low" level of many guys-and few I saw were what I would consider ok and "normal" !!
Talking with many girls and hearing many stories about guys reinforced  that view -- and that applies to this day.
I have always been very wary of introducing any guys at all -- and some who I considered were not so keen when I made it clear I would only do so after I was certain of them !
At the moment -- I have a friend who is 24 yo with a 6 yo son --who is really interested in finding a decent guy.She is very slim,nice person,great mother  and trying really hard to improve her English.She would look very seriously at guys a lot older( but not an old man) !!_  She is despairing of any decent men being out there !
It will be interesting  to see what  comes of your girls friends attempts .
One of the best pieces of advice out there -- expect nothing until a real life meeting is a fact -- and definitely do not over commit mentally prior to that.
Actually -that goes to a point I have made before --over time I have met many girls -- but I have never  prematurely taken the "this is the one" approach.Ironically -- out of that I have made a lot of friends. In retrospect -I would not change that approach --just meet and see ! Sparks do not always fly in the first 5 minutes!
All that is why I dislike the concept of the 7 day trip and propose deal -- it can happen--true--but to me it is out of an earlier period of time the economic situation was quite different and the modern communication methods unavailable.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1135 on: April 27, 2018, 05:30:34 AM »
"Going back some years I used to avoid contact with 'western" guys looking,b"

oh yes, when I lived in Crimea, I learned to avoid these guys like a plague (which they were)
it made me look in a mirror and ask the question - am I one as well?
the mirror said, "no dude, you're not!"
that was a relief...



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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1136 on: April 27, 2018, 06:41:23 AM »
"Going back some years I used to avoid contact with 'western" guys looking,b"

oh yes, when I lived in Crimea, I learned to avoid these guys like a plague (which they were)
it made me look in a mirror and ask the question - am I one as well?
the mirror said, "no dude, you're not!"
that was a relief...

Funnily enough that matches something that happened today !
We were sitting adjacent to some American guys  and could hear conversation. One of the guys was telling the others of his yesterday-- when a girl/woman he met somehow -- said to him that he looked like a grandfather -- which  he thought amusing.

On explaining all that I was hearing to my girl -- she said -well-he does ! I said -he looks like MY GRANDFATHER !!( & he is dead !!) My girl is still chuckling .
One of the other guys was grossly fat ,oversize and the other guy just large !

I said to my girl --" see --what a prize I am "!!  Her reply --I am the prize here " !!!! LoL ! ;D
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1137 on: April 27, 2018, 07:53:29 AM »
Funnily enough that matches something that happened today !
We were sitting adjacent to some American guys  and could hear conversation. One of the guys was telling the others of his yesterday-- when a girl/woman he met somehow -- said to him that he looked like a grandfather -- which  he thought amusing.

On explaining all that I was hearing to my girl -- she said -well-he does ! I said -he looks like MY GRANDFATHER !!( & he is dead !!) My girl is still chuckling .
One of the other guys was grossly fat ,oversize and the other guy just large !

I said to my girl --" see --what a prize I am "!!  Her reply --I am the prize here " !!!! LoL ! ;D

I think you get two distinct groups go to the FSU, more specifically Ukraine for the dating scene, those that are serious and then those that are just out for some light heated fun.

Sounds like the guys you overheard were the latter. They can laugh at themselves as they know they are over the hill even by FSU dating standards. They are mostly pursuing a FSW for a bit of fun to kill a bit of time, loneliness, adventure, casual entertainment or whatever. Even the odd few of them I wouldn't mind betting end up in a LTR as a random occurrence, most won't and it no doubt doesn't bother them. Its like a larger lads booze cruise for the older generation.

Without meaning to be aloof I wouldn't actively associate with such circles either, there is no interest in that scene for me as its not what I'm there for, I go to the FSU/Ukraine as I am serious. If they tried to hit up a conversation it wouldn't bother me but I wouldn't start associating with such groups there and my aims are completely different. I don't consider myself above them or some sort of cultural connoisseur of Ukraine. If they get joy out it then good luck to them.

I'm not a fat guy, but a guy of average weight and a good 6ft tall, I get exercise but am no athlete, I have a full head of hair that is not obviously graying, etc. I consider myself a normal guy in so far that I don't consider myself to be odd looking, lame looking, or any strange habits or attitudes. I know I have ventured a few thoughts on here that may be seen as a bit outside the status quo but that is just to garner an idea of what the perceptions and attitudes of FSW might be. There culture after all is a bit different to ours. Day to day I am really just a guy that knows to be quite moderate and be careful of what I do and say within reason. When it comes to FSU culture before finding out on here or from the girl how on earth am I supposed to know they have hang ups about this or that or not something else that is quite different to what we have. I'm guessing you didn't have an intuitive knowledge about all the cultural stuff at the start of when you started looking or visiting the FSU Jay. Like most you no doubt discovered stuff along the way and had to work things out, precisely what I am doing. People don't tend to set off on this venture with an already existing inside track into everything FSU. 
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1138 on: April 27, 2018, 08:13:28 AM »
Going back a long  time ago here on the forum  it was his ignorant,insulting,offensive  ( let alone just plain dumb stupid) comments on Ukraine and Ukrainian women  that set me off !!
His response -- to me and Nightwish( whose comments and attitude to him is & were very similar to mine) was to insult and attack us in an even more ignorant way.


Going back some years I used to avoid contact with 'western" guys looking,but after coming to the forums ,I got more interested in who.what/why etc of guys. Generally speaking,I was horrified at the "low" level of many guys-and few I saw were what I would consider ok and "normal" !!
Talking with many girls and hearing many stories about guys reinforced  that view -- and that applies to this day.
I have always been very wary of introducing any guys at all -- and some who I considered were not so keen when I made it clear I would only do so after I was certain of them !
At the moment -- I have a friend who is 24 yo with a 6 yo son --who is really interested in finding a decent guy.She is very slim,nice person,great mother  and trying really hard to improve her English.She would look very seriously at guys a lot older( but not an old man) !!_  She is despairing of any decent men being out there !
It will be interesting  to see what  comes of your girls friends attempts .
One of the best pieces of advice out there -- expect nothing until a real life meeting is a fact -- and definitely do not over commit mentally prior to that.
Actually -that goes to a point I have made before --over time I have met many girls -- but I have never  prematurely taken the "this is the one" approach.Ironically -- out of that I have made a lot of friends. In retrospect -I would not change that approach --just meet and see ! Sparks do not always fly in the first 5 minutes!
All that is why I dislike the concept of the 7 day trip and propose deal -- it can happen--true--but to me it is out of an earlier period of time the economic situation was quite different and the modern communication methods unavailable.

If you and Nightwish were not so up your own rears and offered real advice about FSU dating rather than aggression and thinking your a touch above all the newbies etc then it would have not gone how it went. You guys take anything a newbie says as an afront to your pride on everything FSU. Stop viewing everyone as outsiders who want to date a FSW, you will never be a native FSU person however better you think you are than those newbies on FSU culture, you will also at heart always be an outsider however different to others you feel about yourself. Please come down of the high lofty perch you have set yourself upon!

I do not know what you consider constitutes a 'low level guy' who is not 'normal', perhaps you would care to explain?

From your description this female friend of yours sounds like a nice girl but she has a son. Now we have been over this before and sure some guys won't mind this but how many will - a fair amount as that is why she is finding it difficult. How many guys click the 'without children' on dating profiles online without meeting those that do - quite a lot I would imagine, possibly even the majority of men. If they met her and there was chemistry they might decide its a non-issue that she has a child, but the internet gives a sheer stats point of view on a person. Guys online will tend to go for a 'do I want this or that' approach, they have little else besides photo to go on online without a meeting or at least a Skype. She is where she is and most men will not be putting her top of the pile to search through unless they were to meet her first.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1139 on: April 27, 2018, 08:25:36 AM »
I think you get two distinct groups go to the FSU, more specifically Ukraine for the dating scene, those that are serious and then those that are just out for some light heated fun.

Sounds like the guys you overheard were the latter. They can laugh at themselves as they know they are over the hill even by FSU dating standards. They are mostly pursuing a FSW for a bit of fun to kill a bit of time, loneliness, adventure, casual entertainment or whatever. Even the odd few of them I wouldn't mind betting end up in a LTR as a random occurrence, most won't and it no doubt doesn't bother them. Its like a larger lads booze cruise for the older generation.

Without meaning to be aloof I wouldn't actively associate with such circles either, there is no interest in that scene for me as its not what I'm there for, I go to the FSU/Ukraine as I am serious.

Needless to say you simply don't get it --again. You draw an incorrect conclusion from facts not in evidence -as you have a 1000 time previously.
The point is- they are serious --but as with you --totally deluded. The guy thought he was getting a compliment  --that is what makes it even funnier !!To spell it out --it must have come from a girl very very substantially younger than him --basically  an insult of the you must be joking category.

You go on to write about your physical description  --which prima facie is all  plus --including a very good age --- BUT  ---BUT as so many have said here --your head is f.....d !!
That is why you are in exactly the same deluded category as the guys I wrote about !
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1140 on: April 27, 2018, 08:27:21 AM »
IF you care to check, I tried to help you - at first - before I realised you were either trolling or just beyond help and not someone you'd want one's daughter bringing home as a prospective hubby

Once again - your 'joke' was only 'funny' to someone  who has zip social skills and empathy.

I have little empathy with someone who keeps hammering me on everything, dissecting it piece by piece and trying to pull it apart and this you had been doing for quite some time before the cat incident/joke. Remember before this I asked you for help regarding Cyprus yet you held out on me to prove how superior you are, in fact you gave me a hard time on it when you knew full well I had got myself in a bit of a situation.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1141 on: April 27, 2018, 08:29:07 AM »


. How many guys click the 'without children' on dating profiles online without meeting those that do - quite a lot I would imagine, possibly even the majority of men. If they met her and there was chemistry they might decide its a non-issue that she has a child, but the internet gives a sheer stats point of view on a person. Guys online will tend to go for a 'do I want this or that' approach, they have little else besides photo to go on online without a meeting or at least a Skype.

Most girls would tick the "with  a brain "  box also !
And what do they get?  brainless  idiots ! :) :welcome:
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1142 on: April 27, 2018, 08:35:53 AM »
Needless to say you simply don't get it --again. You draw an incorrect conclusion from facts not in evidence -as you have a 1000 time previously.
The point is- they are serious --but as with you --totally deluded. The guy thought he was getting a compliment  --that is what makes it even funnier !!To spell it out --it must have come from a girl very very substantially younger than him --basically  an insult of the you must be joking category.

You go on to write about your physical description  --which prima facie is all  plus --including a very good age --- BUT  ---BUT as so many have said here --your head is f.....d !!
That is why you are in exactly the same deluded category as the guys I wrote about !

Without being there I would not know for sure, people can interpret things different ways, perhaps how you put it was how it was. I would need to be there see the people, the inferences, etc, etc.

No doubt many guys go for too young girls, most will think its a joke a few may not be bothered with age. We all age at the end of the day and if we live long enough turn into the sad states you describe both men and women. Even women that were too old I would never insult them to their face unless of course they were being nasty prior to such a remark - why, because we all end up that way, none of us will remain the young to middle age that we are.

Stop laughing at others Jay, you're not all that.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1143 on: April 27, 2018, 08:58:29 AM »
“Apparently masterbation is one of the best ways for relieving stress of the mind.”

I wouldn’t know myself, it’s been awhile, not even sure I remember how...

“I've already said that prostitution does little for me. I've never tried it  “

if you’ll forgive me, “if you’ve never tried it”, then you don’t know...
prostitution? no one uses that ‘word’
it’s escorts...
i’ve had escorts, they’re GREAT!
no worries about emotional intimacy!
but very intense physical intimacy! (I always choose for them to “stay over")
great for a re-bound without going through "yet another relationship"
but pretty “top-level” sex, and the price is actually cheaper than 5 star dinners, etc
and in Kyiv or Odessa, the escorts are *****
so escorts are bad because... (you haven’t tried it...)


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1144 on: April 27, 2018, 09:21:37 AM »
Trench,

if you’ll pardon me for sayin’ so, your life is “a piece of cake”, you have one fundamental problem, which is “how to achieve emotional intimacy with a woman” 
it appears as though you have no experience with this...
I’m going to take a guess this probably began with your own parents.
my mother was British, I know what an emotionally distant parent is...

I live with three emotionally volatile women, three, not one...

I call them fulminite of mercury, nitroglycerin, and nitrogen-tri-iodine
they are extremely volatile!! 
liable to explode over small perturbations in the environment
some unexpected event occurs, like the family cat is runover for instance
will mean the end of the universe in a fury of fire and thunder
and woe unto he who delivers an ovation at the funeral of said cat, if it is judged to be insufficiently “moving” by fellow funeral attendees...

seriously, you have no appreciation for how simple and peaceful your life is...

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1145 on: April 27, 2018, 09:41:00 AM »
I have little empathy with someone who keeps hammering me on everything, dissecting it piece by piece and trying to pull it apart and this you had been doing for quite some time before the cat incident/joke. Remember before this I asked you for help regarding Cyprus yet you held out on me to prove how superior you are, in fact you gave me a hard time on it when you knew full well I had got myself in a bit of a situation.

Gosh and now economical with the truth, too?  Is there no bounds to your 'positives' ?




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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1146 on: April 27, 2018, 10:15:57 AM »
jay

an escort will be whatever you want her to be...
you can dress her up and take her to dinner and dancing, bowling, sailing,
whatever you want...
you can spend hours with her telling her about how awful your childhood was, and she’ll pat your hand, and the good ones will even freakin cry...

and then....well...you know how the rest goes (but at least it goes...)
and at the end you hand her a tip in an envelope and your business card and she gives you a long good bye kiss...
and everyone lived happily ever after
I just love “happy endings”

it's just my opinion Jay, but I think if you did this experience not only with the goal of gratification but to kind of sharpen your skills regarding intimacy
it might create some improvement, by that I mean even though you're paying for her time, try to make her time with you as enjoyable as possible

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1147 on: April 27, 2018, 10:29:55 AM »
“Apparently masterbation is one of the best ways for relieving stress of the mind.”

I wouldn’t know myself, it’s been awhile, not even sure I remember how...

“I've already said that prostitution does little for me. I've never tried it  “

if you’ll forgive me, “if you’ve never tried it”, then you don’t know...
prostitution? no one uses that ‘word’
it’s escorts...
i’ve had escorts, they’re GREAT!
no worries about emotional intimacy!
but very intense physical intimacy! (I always choose for them to “stay over")
great for a re-bound without going through "yet another relationship"
but pretty “top-level” sex, and the price is actually cheaper than 5 star dinners, etc
and in Kyiv or Odessa, the escorts are *****
so escorts are bad because... (you haven’t tried it...)

Perhaps you are right in them being hot but like said I need to feel a woman is genuinely into me to get a really hard, hard on. Otherwise the less I feel she is genuinely into me and the more doubt the less hard I can become.

Additionally to that I have always seen the prostitute/escort as rather seedy. I'm not really at all a religious guy but I've always felt that going with them diminishes who I am as a person like it devalues me - them I do not know how they feel about doing it. So it's something I don't do and am not interested in no matter how hot they may be.

Also not forgetting there are STI's such as Herpes to consider. No doubt an increased risK as many prostitutes/escorts go with loads of guys so not something I would want.

I once walked down the tourist red light district of Amsterdam looking at the women in the windows there with my brother. Like many a tourist it was an interesting scene with several hot women being displayed, but apart from looking and perving a bit they idea of going with them never really appealed.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1148 on: April 27, 2018, 10:36:12 AM »
jay,
don’t be one the lost wandering around Ukraine looking for “love”

when for the same effort you can with a guarantee have “sex”

cost of a round-trip ticket Heathrow to Odessa is what $800
a week’s apartment rental beach front Odessa $300

two escorts
#1 19-21
#2 26-28

$2000 for 2 days for both (next time straight through them for 1/2 price)
plus about $500 worth of food and alcohol

this experience will leave you walking “bowl-legged” for at least a month
you will learn more than you will ever want to know about women from this experience alone...

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1149 on: April 27, 2018, 10:40:13 AM »
Trench,

if you’ll pardon me for sayin’ so, your life is “a piece of cake”, you have one fundamental problem, which is “how to achieve emotional intimacy with a woman” 
it appears as though you have no experience with this...
I’m going to take a guess this probably began with your own parents.
my mother was British, I know what an emotionally distant parent is...

I live with three emotionally volatile women, three, not one...

I call them fulminite of mercury, nitroglycerin, and nitrogen-tri-iodine
they are extremely volatile!! 
liable to explode over small perturbations in the environment
some unexpected event occurs, like the family cat is runover for instance
will mean the end of the universe in a fury of fire and thunder
and woe unto he who delivers an ovation at the funeral of said cat, if it is judged to be insufficiently “moving” by fellow funeral attendees...

seriously, you have no appreciation for how simple and peaceful your life is...

Granted I am not the most emotional person around though apparently FSW like their men to be as solid as a rock from what I hear so maybe it's not a problem to them.

Volatile women I have seen and to be honest I find their emotions can be overpowering and stressful to deal with. I don't mind women showing their emotions occasionally as it can help show what they really feel if they feel strongly about something. It can sometimes be easier to see if they are genuine about something or its just put on, some are of course good actressses.

Emotional intimacy I don't feel is my natural domain, I am quite a practical guy so it's a personality shift really. By default I think I tend to think practically first emotionally last - I rarely see emotions as useful to a situation. It is something I probably need to get more in touch with.
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