Russian Women Discussion

RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on December 10, 2019, 06:16:27 PM

Title: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 10, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Ok, so this guy I know from work who has a couple of children was wondering how things would sit on him getting a FSW if he already has children and is undecided on wanting any more, though most probably not. I told him that a lot of FSW as far as I knew wanted a guy without children as they don't necesarily take too well to other peoples, but said I would enquire further (hence my question here ;)) He has not yet got involved in the FSU Dating scene, not even online but was just curious.

So I thuought I would pitch it to you guys to see your thoughts. Could he get a FSW without children, or more likely a FSW with children already? I know some cases of UK couples where adults with existing children get together and creating a family that works often with an interesting mix.

The guy is about my age in his early to mid forties and is reasonably well established in life (a bit better than me :D), own 3 bed house, decent income mid £25k or so.

I'm guessing some FSW who are over 40 who's chances of having kids aren't great might go for it, any thoughts on this?   
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 10, 2019, 06:33:55 PM
Trench, I have children aged from 12-20 and if he’s looking for a woman from 36+ who has children of her own, in my experience it’s a advantage, especially if he’s a hands on father and has full or partial custody.

Women were amazed that I had full custody and realised that I would be a great step father or father for their children also (even late 30’s women without children). He’ll probably find he’s a better catch in their eyes than you who hasn’t been married, been in a long term relationship or has children. For k’s friend S, it was a constant concern that her English BF had been serially single and not married before.


If he still wants children there are a lot of women in their late 30’s and early 40’s that will be prepared to have more children and K was one of them who would consider it, unfortunately I’ve had a vasectomy (or fortunately).

I have a friend married to a Russian woman. He has a Russian step son, a son of his own and a child together. A month ago they announced they were pregnant and she’s 42. My Ex has twins at 41, so theirs nothing stopping older women having children now days, it’s very common.

Where it’s is a hinderance in my experience is attracting younger women without children, especially if you have 4 like I do..... but I don’t think it’s impossible for a confident man who’s determined.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: krimster2 on December 10, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Trench
ya gotta understand how the kultura works in Russ-see-ya....
it’s all about the kapoosta baby....
and when it comes to kapoosta....
as a general rule, children from wife #1 and wife #2 have a CLEAR conflict of interest when the donkey dies....

for example, who gets the saddle?
children and poor ‘ole widow lady gonna’ fight over that danged saddle...
who wants that?
that’s why smart girls prefer a single dewd....

also in relationship algebra, if you got a negative like that on your side of the equation...
then you can expect the other side’s gonna probably have something similar to balance it...
cuz that’s how relationship algebra works...

the most certain way to cement a relationship with a Russian woman
is to HAVE kids with her, and not have her raise your first wife’s kids...
which NONE of ‘em are gonna be interested in...
cuz' there ain’t no Mother Teressa’s in Russ-see-ya, ya feel me bruv?
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 10, 2019, 08:19:23 PM
the most certain way to cement a relationship with a Russian woman
is to HAVE kids with her, and not have her raise your first wife’s kids...
which NONE of ‘em are gonna be interested in...
cuz' there ain’t no Mother Teressa’s in Russ-see-ya
, ya feel me bruv?

Krim you need to give Russian women more credit. K volunteers at an orphanage and raises lots of kids that aren’t hers and last year I met an amazing mother of 4 with the same motherly qualities on fdating. She had two 12 year old twins and also adopted an 8 and a 9 year old from an orphanage and she did this as a single mother after her divorce. 

Trying to sell yourself as a potential partner when you have 4 kids is far harder locally than in the FSU, although I mastered it locally, thanks to my kids. My first impressions on fdating was how nice it is for women to immediately accept a single father with children at home.

So regarding FSU women, It all depends on your children and how you portray your family life early on and baring in mind I’ve generally conversed with older women with children. For the 20 or so women I’ve been able to chat with further than a few messages and started delving deeper into each other’s lives with, it’s not an issue, In fact most have shown a genuine interest in my children and have complimented them on what they have achieved... I’ve heard often “your children would be a great influence for my child” I’ve even convinced women on DM notify who wanted a man with no children at home in their profile that my children will bring happiness to their lives, with videos, pictures and seeing them in video chat. My kids have a good sense of humour and have made quite a few laugh so hard they couldn’t breath.

Maybe my children are not typical. They have all worked part time since 14. They all excel at school and top their classes. No behaviour issues and are genuinely respectful. A woman who lives with me will do no house work if she wishes. There is no child raising as my children are very independent. They cook, clean, wash their own clothes and even manage my book work for my business. My 12 year old serviced my car 2 weeks ago.

With the right strategy a FSU women like a western women can be convinced of how great life is with a house full of children in my experience, but you have to show them with more than just words.
 

Trench if your mate is financially comfortable, has no baggage from his marriage / divorce and is a confident man, he will do very well in the early stages of meeting women and developing relationships IMO. If he doesn’t it won’t be anything to do with his kids, it will be an issue with him.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: SteveInBoston on December 10, 2019, 11:05:48 PM
Like most things, it depends on the woman.  FSU women are not mysterious aliens - they are women.  Some would mind, some would say they don't mind but will actually mind, some would not mind but will be a horrible stepmom, and some would be a great match.

The problem with your friend is his income.  If UK's immigration laws are similar to the US, he will not qualify based on income to bring over an immigrant wife and her children, depending on how many.

Even if he does barely scrape by the requirements, no woman in her right mind would consider it.  Especially if she has children to think about.


Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: GQBlues on December 10, 2019, 11:36:16 PM
Ok, so this guy I know from work who has a couple of children was wondering how things would sit on him getting a FSW if he already has children and is undecided on wanting any more, though most probably not. I told him that a lot of FSW as far as I knew wanted a guy without children as they don't necesarily take too well to other peoples, but said I would enquire further (hence my question here ;)) He has not yet got involved in the FSU Dating scene, not even online but was just curious.

So I thuought I would pitch it to you guys to see your thoughts. Could he get a FSW without children, or more likely a FSW with children already? I know some cases of UK couples where adults with existing children get together and creating a family that works often with an interesting mix.

The guy is about my age in his early to mid forties and is reasonably well established in life (a bit better than me :D), own 3 bed house, decent income mid £25k or so.

I'm guessing some FSW who are over 40 who's chances of having kids aren't great might go for it, any thoughts on this?

TC-

Sorry...did you mean that to be 250k, or 25k per month and not annually, yes?
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 12:22:22 AM
Like most things, it depends on the woman.  FSU women are not mysterious aliens - they are women.  Some would mind, some would say they don't mind but will actually mind, some would not mind but will be a horrible stepmom, and some would be a great match.

The problem with your friend is his income.  If UK's immigration laws are similar to the US, he will not qualify based on income to bring over an immigrant wife and her children, depending on how many.

Even if he does barely scrape by the requirements, no woman in her right mind would consider it.  Especially if she has children to think about.

Sorry, I didn’t see his income..... It’s on the low side to support two kids and a wife who may not work for a year or so on arrival, even if she doesn’t have children of her own.  Raising children isn’t cheap by any means if you want to give them a comfortable lifestyle.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 04:16:23 AM
TC-

Sorry...did you mean that to be 250k, or 25k per month and not annually, yes?

I mean that as annually, £25k per year, before tax.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 04:26:00 AM
Sorry, I didn’t see his income..... It’s on the low side to support two kids and a wife who may not work for a year or so on arrival, even if she doesn’t have children of her own.  Raising children isn’t cheap by any means if you want to give them a comfortable lifestyle.

Many raise kids in the UK on not great money, some are entirely on benefit that doesn't payout that much these day. On the current Universal Credit you get £2,780 for each child up to a maximum of two and nothing there after. I'm not sure if the guy I know would qualify as they may deem what he is earning as too much lol. For those unemployed they just get the approx £80 a week for each of them not working and any housing benefit component to pay the rent. So comparatively while it may not be the most comfortablest lifestyle it's probably a more than adequate one on £25k or so a year I'm guessing.
Title: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 11, 2019, 07:16:09 AM
Ok, so this guy I know from work who has a couple of children was wondering how things would sit on him getting a FSW if he already has children and is undecided on wanting any more, though most probably not. I told him that a lot of FSW as far as I knew wanted a guy without children as they don't necesarily take too well to other peoples, but said I would enquire further (hence my question here ;)) He has not yet got involved in the FSU Dating scene, not even online but was just curious.

So I thuought I would pitch it to you guys to see your thoughts. Could he get a FSW without children, or more likely a FSW with children already? I know some cases of UK couples where adults with existing children get together and creating a family that works often with an interesting mix.

The guy is about my age in his early to mid forties and is reasonably well established in life (a bit better than me :D), own 3 bed house, decent income mid £25k or so.

I'm guessing some FSW who are over 40 who's chances of having kids
aren't great might go for it, any thoughts on this?

Who told you that £25k ($33k) is a decent income for a guy with two kids?
He doesn't make enough money. Can he take on more and make more?

Tell him to stop working as a busboy and get a real job.

Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 11, 2019, 07:36:13 AM
Forget about 25k with two children 

PLUS a FSU wife PLUS an other children

 :deadhorse:
That's irresponsable. 
 
I earned TWICE more, had NO previous children, my ex wife had only one daughter living with us and part of my divorce is related to problem of not enough money in the family (not the main reason).

No more than 10% of westerners are eligible, and my ex buddy who owned a trustable marriage agency in Ukraine and I had the SAME opinion. You should earn at least 5 grands per month to be eligible to this journey. Especially if you are more than 40. (If you are 25 and you hit girls of 20 such income could be ok, but she will NOT have 2 children).


It doesn't matter what you can say here, you will find a whole stream of guys, whatever you explain, whatever story you display, who will not listen you and will go against any odd considering that anything is possible and they are exaclty the contrary odd to prove the opposit.  :wallbash:
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 11, 2019, 07:40:48 AM
Trench
ya gotta understand how the kultura works in Russ-see-ya....
it’s all about the kapoosta baby....
and when it comes to kapoosta....
as a general rule, children from wife #1 and wife #2 have a CLEAR conflict of interest when the donkey dies....

for example, who gets the saddle?
children and poor ‘ole widow lady gonna’ fight over that danged saddle...
who wants that?
that’s why smart girls prefer a single dewd....

also in relationship algebra, if you got a negative like that on your side of the equation...
then you can expect the other side’s gonna probably have something similar to balance it...
cuz that’s how relationship algebra works...

the most certain way to cement a relationship with a Russian woman
is to HAVE kids with her, and not have her raise your first wife’s kids...
which NONE of ‘em are gonna be interested in...
cuz' there ain’t no Mother Teressa’s in Russ-see-ya, ya feel me bruv?
it’s all about the kapoosta baby....
and when it comes to kapoosta....
as a general rule, children from wife #1 and wife #2 have a CLEAR conflict of interest when the donkey dies....

for example, who gets the saddle?
children and poor ‘ole widow lady gonna’ fight over that danged saddle... 
 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:   

 Krim, please don't die, because we will miss you a lot, not speaking about your saddle lol.
Title: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 11, 2019, 07:50:27 AM
Krim, please don't die, because we will miss you a lot, not speaking about your saddle lol.

+1

that’s how relationship algebra works...

Solid Gold!
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: GQBlues on December 11, 2019, 10:29:21 AM
I mean that as annually, £25k per year, before tax.


 :shock:





Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 12:35:45 PM
Who told you that £25k ($33k) is a decent income for a guy with two kids?
He doesn't make enough money. Can he take on more and make more?

Tell him to stop working as a busboy and get a real job.

A busboy? £25k is good money in the UK, at least standard, if not more so. Of course it depends on expenses, state benefits etc. A couple both earning £20-25k again depending on expenses could be fairly well off.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 12:39:55 PM
I mean that as annually, £25k per year, before tax.

Why are wages so low in the UK in your field?....I’m not exaggerating, my daughter almost made that much during her gap year as a full time crew leader at McDonald’s when she was 19. 


Edit: I posted this as you posted last trench. This isn’t a good wage. I’m about to leave for my day job in the engineering / research and development department of a multinational agricultural company. I’m on a good wicket there, but guys assembling the machinery with no qualifications, who they pull off the street earn $22 aud an hour earn approximately € 24k a year before tax. In Australia this is seen as a low wage and fitting for someone doing a menial job with no education.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Gator on December 11, 2019, 12:55:59 PM

 :shock:

Remember the pound sterling is more valuable than the US dollar.   The exchange rate is about 5 to 1, yes? 

Woooops, 5::1 was before the abandonment of the gold standard and the start of WW II.   So the pound was then devalued to 2.80 per dollar.  25k is thus $65k per year.  That's $30/hr.  Enough for marriage if one is frugal and wise.


Woooooops, 2.80::1.00 was during my university days (60s) when British comedies were funny.  As the world discovered the truth about the high maintenance of British automobiles and their Lucas electronics, the pound declined.   When I went to London in the mid 1970s, it had declined to about 2.00 to 1.00.


Woooops, that was before further decline in response to Paul Volcker's monetary policies.  It almost reached parity. Then rose and followed roller coaster path to today's 1.30::1.00.  25k a year is thus $32,000/yr, a little above the hourly pay for my 20-yr stepson at his part-time job slicing deli meat and making subs.


Trench, the issue can not be squared unless your friend had a second income such as fleecing expat pensioners. 
 .   
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 01:09:49 PM
Remember the pound sterling is more valuable than the US dollar.   The exchange rate is about 5 to 1, yes? 

Woooops, 5::1 was before the abandonment of the gold standard and the start of WW II.   So the pound was then devalued to 2.80 per dollar.  25k is thus $65k per year.  That's $30/hr.  Enough for marriage if one is frugal and wise.


Woooooops, 2.80::1.00 was during my university days (60s) when British comedies were funny.  As the world discovered the truth about the high maintenance of British automobiles and their Lucas electronics, the pound declined.   When I went to London in the mid 1970s, it had declined to about 2.00 to 1.00.


Woooops, that was before further decline in response to Paul Volcker's monetary policies.  It almost reached parity. Then rose and followed roller coaster path to today's 1.30::1.00.  25k a year is thus $32,000/yr, a little above the hourly pay for my 20-yr stepson at his part-time job slicing deli meat and making subs.


Trench, the issue can not be squared unless your friend had a second income such as fleecing expat pensioners. 
 .   

I'll see if our forum expert on that one can give him any guidance ;D

Remember, we don't have to pay school fees here, no healthcare fees, dentistry is free for kids, no private pension needed as there's the state pension, etc. So maybe taking that into account he could be on the equivalent of $40000 or more a year.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: BillyB on December 11, 2019, 01:59:46 PM

The American government will allow a person to sponsor a fiancée if they are making at least 125% of the poverty level. Based off current government charts poverty level, a person needs to make around $20K to do a k-1 or they will need a co-sponsor to help sponsor someone over.

What does the UK think a person needs to make before allowing them to bring somebody over?
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 02:07:42 PM
I’d be moving down under. The average wage for an architect here is €46k and you get all the perks of free medical etc.. you do in the UK.

Even an adult apprenticeship is worth it for a low paid white collar worker. Something  like a heavy diesel mechanic. It’s an easy €70k doing fifo mining work and the option of a good wage if you work in the city and want a better family life. When I was going through divorce I landed a job on the Gorgan gas project on Barrow Island. It was a 4 and 1 fifo roster as a heavy fitter. That paid €75k, but I couldn’t take it because I was awarded custody of my kids. 

Closer to home there’s a demand for general maintenance fitting here. I was offered a job a few years back servicing petrol pumps. It included on the job training with a company vehicle that I could use for personal use and paid approximately €45k. There are lots of options to earn money in trades without going back to Uni.

 
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 03:06:12 PM
The American government will allow a person to sponsor a fiancée if they are making at least 125% of the poverty level. Based off current government charts poverty level, a person needs to make around $20K to do a k-1 or they will need a co-sponsor to help sponsor someone over.

What does the UK think a person needs to make before allowing them to bring somebody over?

It's around £18.5k per year for the sponsor of the spouse that they wish to bring in. The one being brought in doesn't need to earn anything.

The £18.5k can be evidenced over as little as six months earnings at a rate that would make up to £18.5k if it would be earned for a whole year.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 03:53:09 PM
Trench, your mate is stuck in the Uk because he has kids and shared custody I guess, but you as a single guy who has no commitments are silly for staying where you are.....Read this article.

http://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20160812-three-careers-you-thought-paid-megabucks-but-dont


There are lots of jobs here for you on great money..... Assistants earn almost twice what a UK architect earns.

Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 04:12:11 PM
Even graduates earn more than your mate....

Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: rwd123 on December 11, 2019, 04:26:28 PM
TC - life is not transactional and deterministic, particularly when dealing with intercultural relationships. Women are different and seek different attributes in a partner. But I'll try to make it easy for you.

There are (at least) five primary factors that will determine possibility of "success" in international dating. They will vary at different times in your life:

A) Money
B) Language skills
C) Time
D) Physical characteristics
E) Personality

Money
-1: you receive any government welfare
0: need to budget, cannot afford two additional dependents, on a "low" income, etc.
1: can support two additional dependents and travel regularly without increasing income
2: money is not a concern

Language skills
-1: No language skills and clueless about the culture
0: Little or no (Russian) language skills
1: Passable conversational ability, can read a bit
2: Advanced conversational ability

Time
-1: Unlikely to visit the FSU in the next six months
0: Hard to take time off work, only two weeks annual holiday, etc.
1: Can travel up to four weeks a year and at least 2 visits
2: Can travel more than four weeks a year and make at 4+ visits

Physical characteristics
-1: 15+ years older than a woman, fat, ugly, etc.
0: 10+ years older, in poor shape, average looks, etc.
1: Within 5-10 years of a woman, in good shape, etc.
2: Less than 5 years older than a woman, good looking, good physique, etc.

Personality
-1: No confidence, boring, lacking social skills, etc.
0: Low confidence and a relatively boring person
1: Confident in dating, intelligent, an interesting interlocur
2: Can engage with people without speaking the same language, confident, charismatic, etc.


Self assess with a critical lens, rank yourself against each and add up your score:

< 0 (Cold): forget it, you don't have a chance.
0-4 (Cool): don't pursue an FSUW unless you dramatically improve yourself.
5-7 (Warm): there's potential but weaknesses may hold you back.
8-10 (Hot): if you're smart and persistent you'll probably find a good woman.


(Note: Whether you have children or not is probably the other factor I'd call out, but it really depends on your age and attitudes of a potential partner, and the age of children, so harder to rank. Generally speaking, -1 if you have kids, +1 if you don't.)
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: GQBlues on December 11, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
.....Read this article.

http://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20160812-three-careers-you-thought-paid-megabucks-but-dont

When I read articles like this, I usually have a degree of skepticism of its depth. While I can't refute any of its claims, I am shocked at the difference in comparative value in wages of like professionals here on the west coast. The numbers shown on the article desperately need some filtering though. Graduates have to undergo gelling period before making that princely leap in wages. Call it internship, if you will, but unless you're an Einstein on skinny jeans, chances are you're a peon on a curve. But the one person featured on the article had already amassed 9 years of experience on his resume.

I did took note of this bit on the article:
Quote
According to one US study, 64% of millennials would rather make $40,000 a year in a job they love than $100,000 a year in a boring one.

If true and is wholly representative of the overall attitude of these young professionals, it's little wonder these idiots are bailing out on their student loans. Full subscription to liberal talking points on student loan forgiveness follows..

IME, I encounter plenty of PMs on a daily basis that are fresh out of fraternity confines working for some notable developers around. The absence of practical knowledge are glaringly obvious in their mindset. There is always a period of deconstructing book knowledge they acquired and unlearning plenty of them when trying to execute certain field applications. While I will never discriminate choosing between a college graduate and one with a comparatively 5-year experience in our trade, I seem to always find a degree of comfort with the 'experienced', non-degreed candidate/s during interviews.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 04:56:52 PM
Trench, your mate is stuck in the Uk because he has kids and shared custody I guess, but you as a single guy who has no commitments are silly for staying where you are.....Read this article.

http://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20160812-three-careers-you-thought-paid-megabucks-but-dont


There are lots of jobs here for you on great money..... Assistants earn almost twice what a UK architect earns.

It could have interest for me given depending on my circumstances at a given time. I've watched programs on TV about emigration from the UK to Australia. I get the impression in general there is far more scope to get to better money easier mainly from what I see as people aren't treading on each others toes. Here in the UK a lot of stuff you do there would be a queue of other people with the same idea. Hence the opportunity to even get the job let alone pay would be less. I get the impression in Australia people are more spread out with not a big population growth hence more opportunities being more freely available.

That said I'm not overly convinced that the figures would work out after all the essentials & tax are paid to what it first looks. It may still be higher than the UK but after all is taken into account it might not be as much as first thought.

Main thing is that at the moment I'm not at a free and easy period that emigration if only for a year or two would suit. Might be an idea for the future though possibly.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
It could have interest for me given depending on my circumstances at a given time. I've watched programs on TV about emigration from the UK to Australia. I get the impression in general there is far more scope to get to better money easier mainly from what I see as people aren't treading on each others toes. Here in the UK a lot of stuff you do there would be a queue of other people with the same idea. Hence the opportunity to even get the job let alone pay would be less. I get the impression in Australia people are more spread out with not a big population growth hence more opportunities being more freely available.

That said I'm not overly convinced that the figures would work out after all the essentials & tax are paid to what it first looks. It may still be higher than the UK but after all is taken into account it might not be as much as first thought.

Main thing is that at the moment I'm not at a free and easy period that emigration if only for a year or two would suit. Might be an idea for the future though possibly.

I’m working along side a guy from the UK in my department. He’s in his late 50’s and he moved over here 4 years ago. The main reason was the climate, but secondarily he was a long way out in front financially as an engineer, even taking into account the higher living costs in Australia. We also have a guy from Argentina who has worked in the UK and he moved here last year and claims he’s more financially secure.

On jobs.... I’ve never been out of a job for less than a day. In 2012 the engineering company I worked for went into receivership. The next day I found another company advertising in the newspaper. I had an interview at 8am and was working at 9am. They become slow and as I was last on I was first off. An hour later I had another interview and started the next morning. If you have the skills in certain fields you can pretty much pick and choose where you work here.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 05:17:51 PM
TC - life is not transactional and deterministic, particularly when dealing with intercultural relationships. Women are different and seek different attributes in a partner. But I'll try to make it easy for you.

There are (at least) five primary factors that will determine possibility of "success" in international dating. They will vary at different times in your life:

A) Money
B) Language skills
C) Time
D) Physical characteristics
E) Personality

Money
-1: you receive any government welfare
0: need to budget, cannot afford two additional dependents, on a "low" income, etc.
1: can support two additional dependents and travel regularly without increasing income
2: money is not a concern

Language skills
-1: No language skills and clueless about the culture
0: Little or no (Russian) language skills
1: Passable conversational ability, can read a bit
2: Advanced conversational ability

Time
-1: Unlikely to visit the FSU in the next six months
0: Hard to take time off work, only two weeks annual holiday, etc.
1: Can travel up to four weeks a year and at least 2 visits
2: Can travel more than four weeks a year and make at 4+ visits

Physical characteristics
-1: 15+ years older than a woman, fat, ugly, etc.
0: 10+ years older, in poor shape, average looks, etc.
1: Within 5-10 years of a woman, in good shape, etc.
2: Less than 5 years older than a woman, good looking, good physique, etc.

Personality
-1: No confidence, boring, lacking social skills, etc.
0: Low confidence and a relatively boring person
1: Confident in dating, intelligent, an interesting interlocur
2: Can engage with people without speaking the same language, confident, charismatic, etc.


Self assess with a critical lens, rank yourself against each and add up your score:

< 0 (Cold): forget it, you don't have a chance.
0-4 (Cool): don't pursue an FSUW unless you dramatically improve yourself.
5-7 (Warm): there's potential but weaknesses may hold you back.
8-10 (Hot): if you're smart and persistent you'll probably find a good woman.


(Note: Whether you have children or not is probably the other factor I'd call out, but it really depends on your age and attitudes of a potential partner, and the age of children, so harder to rank. Generally speaking, -1 if you have kids, +1 if you don't.)

I reckon within about a year I could be around a 5 on your scale. There's still a bit more work to do. I don't think I'll ever be the most exciting and stimulating guy around but I can do stuff to make my life a bit more interesting. That should become easier after I get more financially Independent, I can put more time over to leisure, etc. I think the main reason most adults social circle dwindles as they get older is that work starts to take over, both for them and them people they know.

I know that it can depend on finding the right fit rather than holding particularly stuff, but that of course you can be better placed and make the process easier.

I don't know what ideas FSW have of the WM they will meet and the lifestyle. I've heard some stuff from some of them. Some expect to be a kept women, others want to work, some have visions of a mansion perhaps, others something more common maybe.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 05:27:35 PM
I’m working along side a guy from the UK in my department. He’s in his late 50’s and he moved over here 4 years ago. The main reason was the climate, but secondarily he was a long way out in front financially as an engineer, even taking into account the higher living costs in Australia. We also have a guy from Argentina who has worked in the UK and he moved here last year and claims he’s more financially secure.

On jobs.... I’ve never been out of a job for less than a day. In 2012 the engineering company I worked for went into receivership. The next day I found another company advertising in the newspaper. I had an interview at 8am and was working at 9am. They become slow and as I was last on I was first off. An hour later I had another interview and started the next morning. If you have the skills in certain fields you can pretty much pick and choose where you work here.

That's crazy Davo, it hasn't been that way in this country since the 50s, 60s & 70s when that generation could leave a job and like you be in another one the same day. Here in the UK I stick with the Employer I have been with a long time since I know they are good for the work. If I left or looked for other jobs it could easily be week or months before getting something else - or worst case scenario, years! :( That is what I had back in my twenties so would prefer to avoid that at my age now, lol. Once good Independant income is achieved this job is gone though :) To be honest though my work record is not as bad as some so things could have been even worse I guess.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: ML on December 11, 2019, 05:36:34 PM
The average wage for an architect here is €46k and you get all the perks of free medical . . .



Wow . . . so the physicians, nurses, dentists are paid zero ??

They have to have gardens, etc., to survive.??
What about their housing expenses ??
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2019, 05:48:30 PM
What are the women like in Australia Davo? I've seen stuff with Australian women on TV and they always seemed to have an interesting accent and slightly forward way about them.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 06:04:19 PM
Wow . . . so the physicians, nurses, dentists are paid zero ??

They have to have gardens, etc., to survive.??
What about their housing expenses ??

 No they all earn good money. My sister is an registered nurse working in the emergency department of a regional city she earns approximately $120k a year. My father has a close mate who’s a Dr in their small town. I remember my dad telling me he earns $250k, but I might be wrong. My Ex is a primary school teacher and her wage was close to $100k.

Our taxes pay for these services....This is just my thoughts, we spend a fraction of what you guys do in the US on things like defence and other things that are not absolutely essential to the everyday person on the street, so there’s money to spend on other things like our Medicare system.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: ML on December 11, 2019, 06:06:52 PM

Our taxes pay for these services....

You said it was free !!!
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 06:28:03 PM
You said it was free !!!

I see you point..... No it’s not free, unless you don’t pay tax.

We have the option to have private health insurance also. I used to have it, but decided to cancel it when I got divorced. My ex has our children on her cover. This was a mistake on my behalf as I need some cartilage in my knee cleaned up and now i’m on a public waiting list. I had an MRI done on it recently and services like that we still pay a percentage of the cost, under the Medicare system..... Xrays there is no out of pocket costs (apart from the tax we pay)

Edit... Because I’m a single father of 4 with custody, I received a family tax rebate of approximately 10-15k a year, for my engineering job wage, subsidised school fees etc... and then a big tax return because I travel between two jobs and take tools between them and other deductions, so I wasn’t essentially paying any tax. I have a good (creative) accountant for my business and paid very little tax last year for that. This financial year will be be a different kettle of fish as it’s now looking like my total income will be 150k+ so I’ll lose all my family tax benefits.

I’ve taken full advantage the system as someone who has worked all of my life but I think there’s problems with our system. It’s too easy to sit on your arse here and get around the checks in place. I went on a date with a single mother of 4 and she basically hadn’t worked for 10 years (although she could quite easily) and was a lot better off than me at the end of the day, with all the government handouts.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: ML on December 11, 2019, 06:40:25 PM
Xrays there is no out of pocket costs (apart from the tax we pay)

Davo, see how hard it is for even you to avoid (at first ) thinking that something is free ??

It is a type of brainwashing that has worked very well around most of the globe.

Has lead to less and less reliance on self, and more and more wanting big brother to take care of us . . . while hoping that someone else will be taxed for it . . . although many have no idea or no care about where the money comes from.

I am continually shocked at the number of educated people who come into my university town from other countries and tell me that medical care was free in their home country.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Davo, see how hard it is for even you to avoid (at first ) thinking that something is free ??

It is a type of brainwashing that has worked very well around most of the globe.

Has lead to less and less reliance on self, and more and more wanting big brother to take care of us . . . while hoping that someone else will be taxed for it . . . although many have no idea or no care about where the money comes from.

I am continually shocked at the number of educated people who come into my university town from other countries and tell me that medical care was free in their home country.

I get that, I just edited my post above. In previous years because of my situation, it has almost been free for me, but this year will be different.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 07:38:10 PM
ML, I have a question for you. If America said f*ck it !!.... the world can sort out it’s own problems and cut the spending in defence, intelligence etc... and all the financial support you give to other countries, so you can comfortably provided a Medicare system like other countries, would it improve your citizens financial situation and health and be a good thing for your country?
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: ML on December 11, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
Good question Davo.

Very, very deep.

I do not have a ready response.

Perhaps I will never be able to answer this question; even to myself.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 08:12:55 PM
Good question Davo.

Very, very deep.

I do not have a ready response.

Perhaps I will never be able to answer this question; even to myself.


I asked because I read the average cost to Americans for health care is approximately $9000 a year and we pay approximately $3000 a year more than you a year in tax, according to this old article, so there must be family’s on middle or lower incomes struggling to pay medical costs, or go without. 

I’ve never looked into it before today, so my figures could be wrong.

“According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which analyzes the tax burdens of 35 countries, Australians paid on average $17,146 USD per capita in 2014 in "total tax revenue," while Americans paid $14,115 USD per capita. So, on average Australians pay about $3,000 more than Americans a year”
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: BillyB on December 11, 2019, 08:33:34 PM

Most Americans have some sort of medical insurance at any given time even if they didn't buy medical insurance. In a car accident, they will be covered. If you fall down the stairs in someone else's house, chances are you are covered by the homeowners insurance. If you get injured at work, you're covered by Labor and Industries insurance. If you're not working and are poor, those people are on Obamacare insurance. Vets get free medical insurance.

Doctors and other medical professionals make very good money doing what they do. They aren't going to sacrifice their pay to bring down costs. Fortunately my wife will be graduating in less than two years and her starting pay could be 80K a year where I live. She eventually wants to be a nurse practitioner and will make over a 100k starting pay easy if she achieves that goal. Some people think FSU women cost money. I see them as an investment.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 11, 2019, 09:13:45 PM
Most Americans have some sort of medical insurance at any given time even if they didn't buy medical insurance. In a car accident, they will be covered. If you fall down the stairs in someone else's house, chances are you are covered by the homeowners insurance. If you get injured at work, you're covered by Labor and Industries insurance. If you're not working and are poor, those people are on Obamacare insurance. Vets get free medical insurance.

Doctors and other medical professionals make very good money doing what they do. They aren't going to sacrifice their pay to bring down costs. Fortunately my wife will be graduating in less than two years and her starting pay could be 80K a year where I live. She eventually wants to be a nurse practitioner and will make over a 100k starting pay easy if she achieves that goal. Some people think FSU women cost money. I see them as an investment.

We are covered like you for car accidents and at work separate from private cover .... So what do Americans pay for private cover for a family?..... If I remember correctly we were paying approximately $2000 aud for a family of 6 and when I looked into for myself only it was approximately $600 a year as a single person.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 12, 2019, 04:12:46 AM

 No they all earn good money. My sister is an registered nurse working in the emergency department of a regional city she earns approximately $120k a year. My father has a close mate who’s a Dr in their small town. I remember my dad telling me he earns $250k, but I might be wrong. My Ex is a primary school teacher and her wage was close to $100k.

Our taxes pay for these services....This is just my thoughts, we spend a fraction of what you guys do in the US on things like defence and other things that are not absolutely essential to the everyday person on the street, so there’s money to spend on other things like our Medicare system.

FRANCE : replacing but the adequate  sum. 

 No they all earn good money. My sister is an registered nurse working in the emergency department of a regional city she earns approximately €50k a year. My father has a close mate who’s a Dr in their small town. I remember my dad telling me he earns €82k, but I might be wrong. My Ex is a primary school teacher and her wage was close to €30k.


Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: GQBlues on December 12, 2019, 09:12:27 AM
Well, it's been said...success is under construction.

Had any of you been one of the 198 employees of this company, you'd likely agree with that term, too.

http://youtu.be/JdC71heeJsA

That's AWESOME!!! Good for him, and great for his team! He divvied up $10 million amongst his 198 employees according to the years of employment, held their xmas party at a plush hotel, and handed the checks in an enclosed red holiday card. And - apparently, this bonus is in addition to their traditional annual year-end holiday bonuses.

Damn cool, I say!

Methinks Mr. St. John is a Trump supporter.
Title: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 12, 2019, 09:20:41 AM
ML, I have a question for you. If America said f*ck it !!.... the world can sort out it’s own problems and cut the spending in defence, intelligence etc... and all the financial support you give to other countries, so you can comfortably provided a Medicare system like other countries, would it improve your citizens financial situation and health and be a good thing for your country?

I agree with ML, that is an excellent question.

I would think we could but ONLY if we had some sort of restriction on immigration.
If you are a doctor, engineer or even a plumber welcome aboard. If you can't speak
English and have a third grade education, or have aids then sorry the shops closed.

The other matter is tort reform.

If we did all the stuff you said above and made some smart reforms on immigration
and tort reform then yes, in my opinion we could do it and I would be ALL for it. I
would vote for the guy (or gal) who ran on doing exactly that.

Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: GQBlues on December 12, 2019, 09:53:55 AM
Davo-

I am always mystified by these talking points. There is no healthcare problem in the US. Contrary to what foreigners may have 'read', our healthcare was, and is, doing fine. It was better even BEFORE Obamacare.

The US population had always enjoyed not having the government make decisions for them. The larger portion of our society get their medical coverage from their employment. The smaller one, those mostly who work for themselves, buys coverages for themselves as part of the cost of doing business. There are those who choose not to 'buy' it, or of bare minimum of coverages. Those, more times than not, are whom is reported to face dire financial challenges.

I asked because I read the average *cost to Americans for health care* is approximately $9000 a year and we pay approximately $3000 a year more than you a year in tax, according to this old article, so there must be family’s on middle or lower incomes struggling to pay medical costs, or go without. 

I think you meant to say *cost of health insurance* not cost of health care. On average, Obamacare costs roughly about $400.00/person per month. Roughly less than $5,000.00/year. This also depends on the program you choose. This is extracted from their pay before tax are levied as the taxable sum. The rest of the cost of this coverage is picked up by the employer. This 'coverage' includes dental, vision, and life insurances. The alternative to Obamacare, and most companies also provide, is what they call PPOs. It's slightly pricier but  better in so many ways, IMO.

Before Obamacare, you can 'see' a/your physician literally the same day. Most of the times, an appointment can be made within days, but never more than a week. Since Obamacare kicked in, your appointment can take up to weeks/months now. That's one BIG STUPID law levied upon the millions just to suck up the 700 billion in 3 years. Before Obamacare, an employee didn't even have to pay anything for medical coverages. Companies had competitive medical coverages as part of employment benefits to lure/keep topnotch employee/s.

There are just as many uninsured people before this stupid law was forced upon us, than there are today. The only real difference is, $700 billion of taxpayers money disappeared into thin air.

Treatment for pre-existing conditions is what many people faced before that cost a lot of families financial drain. But this was politically used front and center to sell Obamacare and it shouldn't have been.  Pre-existing condition could've been legislated and passed without having to screw up our health care system.

Davo, if our country could provide *free* health care to millions of illegal aliens, and they have, it certainly can provide for millions of it's citizens.

Again, the US do not have any healthcare problems. If that had been the case giant insurance companies like AETNA/BlueCross/Blue Shield wouldn't exist today and thriving.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: BillyB on December 12, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
So what do Americans pay for private cover for a family?..... If I remember correctly we were paying approximately $2000 aud for a family of 6 and when I looked into for myself only it was approximately $600 a year as a single person.

I get free health care since I was a veteran but I pay just over $300 for my wife per month for her health care. If a person doesn't have health care they can still visit the clinic if they're sick and pay around $200 for the visit.

I agree with GQ there is no healthcare problem. Anybody, including illegals can walk into the emergency room and won't be denied medical treatment. The reason our life expectancy is a little lower than Europe's is because we are too fat. Our poor on average is fatter than any nation's rich or middle class.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: ML on December 12, 2019, 02:43:50 PM
The reason our life expectancy is a little lower than Europe's is because we are too fat.

Also due to USA data showing only the aggregate result.

If broken down into ethnic groups, many of our groups would show better results than the same ethnic groups in other countries.

Same goes for results on standardized academic achievement exams, IQ statistics, etc.

But such cannot be revealed for PC reasons.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 12, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
Sorry guys for the red post, don't understand why it happened.
Didn't want to make you blind lol
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: BillyB on December 12, 2019, 06:31:20 PM
If broken down into ethnic groups, many of our groups would show better results than the same ethnic groups in other countries.


That is true. Japan is usually #1 in life expectancy but Japanese live around 4 years longer in America than their counterparts in Japan. In the land of the free one can have less stress and live healthier here or eat as much crap as they want.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 13, 2019, 04:38:01 AM
I reckon within about a year I could be around a 5 on your scale. There's still a bit more work to do. I don't think I'll ever be the most exciting and stimulating guy around but I can do stuff to make my life a bit more interesting. That should become easier after I get more financially Independent, I can put more time over to leisure, etc. I think the main reason most adults social circle dwindles as they get older is that work starts to take over, both for them and them people they know.

I know that it can depend on finding the right fit rather than holding particularly stuff, but that of course you can be better placed and make the process easier.

I don't know what ideas FSW have of the WM they will meet and the lifestyle. I've heard some stuff from some of them. Some expect to be a kept women, others want to work, some have visions of a mansion perhaps, others something more common maybe.
Trench may you explain how you count those 5 points?
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: JayH on December 14, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
I reckon within about a year I could be around a 5 on your scale.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Trench may you explain how you count those 5 points?


Yeah -- I am guessing we all want to know that !!! :ROFL:
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 14, 2019, 03:07:38 PM
The maths
Tome 2
Revisited by Trench (and severely modified)


Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 14, 2019, 03:10:28 PM
Davo-

I am always mystified by these talking points. There is no healthcare problem in the US. Contrary to what foreigners may have 'read', our healthcare was, and is, doing fine. It was better even BEFORE Obamacare.

The US population had always enjoyed not having the government make decisions for them. The larger portion of our society get their medical coverage from their employment. The smaller one, those mostly who work for themselves, buys coverages for themselves as part of the cost of doing business. There are those who choose not to 'buy' it, or of bare minimum of coverages. Those, more times than not, are whom is reported to face dire financial challenges.

I think you meant to say *cost of health insurance* not cost of health care. On average, Obamacare costs roughly about $400.00/person per month. Roughly less than $5,000.00/year. This also depends on the program you choose. This is extracted from their pay before tax are levied as the taxable sum. The rest of the cost of this coverage is picked up by the employer. This 'coverage' includes dental, vision, and life insurances. The alternative to Obamacare, and most companies also provide, is what they call PPOs. It's slightly pricier but  better in so many ways, IMO.

Before Obamacare, you can 'see' a/your physician literally the same day. Most of the times, an appointment can be made within days, but never more than a week. Since Obamacare kicked in, your appointment can take up to weeks/months now. That's one BIG STUPID law levied upon the millions just to suck up the 700 billion in 3 years. Before Obamacare, an employee didn't even have to pay anything for medical coverages. Companies had competitive medical coverages as part of employment benefits to lure/keep topnotch employee/s.

There are just as many uninsured people before this stupid law was forced upon us, than there are today. The only real difference is, $700 billion of taxpayers money disappeared into thin air.

Treatment for pre-existing conditions is what many people faced before that cost a lot of families financial drain. But this was politically used front and center to sell Obamacare and it shouldn't have been.  Pre-existing condition could've been legislated and passed without having to screw up our health care system.

Davo, if our country could provide *free* health care to millions of illegal aliens, and they have, it certainly can provide for millions of it's citizens.

Again, the US do not have any healthcare problems. If that had been the case giant insurance companies like AETNA/BlueCross/Blue Shield wouldn't exist today and thriving.

Thanks GQ for this detailed reply and you too Billy, Bill & ML.  I honestly had no idea how the US health care system worked before this post, so now I have some understanding.... thanks 👍
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 14, 2019, 05:40:42 PM
 
TC - life is not transactional and deterministic, particularly when dealing with intercultural relationships. Women are different and seek different attributes in a partner. But I'll try to make it easy for you.

There are (at least) five primary factors that will determine possibility of "success" in international dating. They will vary at different times in your life:

A) Money
B) Language skills
C) Time
D) Physical characteristics
E) Personality

Money
-1: you receive any government welfare
0: need to budget, cannot afford two additional dependents, on a "low" income, etc.
1: can support two additional dependents and travel regularly without increasing income
2: money is not a concern

Language skills
-1: No language skills and clueless about the culture
0: Little or no (Russian) language skills
1: Passable conversational ability, can read a bit
2: Advanced conversational ability

Time
-1: Unlikely to visit the FSU in the next six months
0: Hard to take time off work, only two weeks annual holiday, etc.
1: Can travel up to four weeks a year and at least 2 visits
2: Can travel more than four weeks a year and make at 4+ visits

Physical characteristics
-1: 15+ years older than a woman, fat, ugly, etc.
0: 10+ years older, in poor shape, average looks, etc.
1: Within 5-10 years of a woman, in good shape, etc.
2: Less than 5 years older than a woman, good looking, good physique, etc.

Personality
-1: No confidence, boring, lacking social skills, etc.
0: Low confidence and a relatively boring person
1: Confident in dating, intelligent, an interesting interlocur
2: Can engage with people without speaking the same language, confident, charismatic, etc.


Self assess with a critical lens, rank yourself against each and add up your score:

< 0 (Cold): forget it, you don't have a chance.
0-4 (Cool): don't pursue an FSUW unless you dramatically improve yourself.
5-7 (Warm): there's potential but weaknesses may hold you back.
8-10 (Hot): if you're smart and persistent you'll probably find a good woman.


(Note: Whether you have children or not is probably the other factor I'd call out, but it really depends on your age and attitudes of a potential partner, and the age of children, so harder to rank. Generally speaking, -1 if you have kids, +1 if you don't.)

Is this your own system RWD?..... It’s a great reality check and I think it’s something that all new members should fill out when introducing themselves. 

I put myself to the test and this is what I’ve scored and my reasons behind my decisions.

Children
I can see this could cause issue when searching for a younger woman who has no children, but in the age group I’m looking in..... an older woman with a child, having older children myself has been an asset so far, so I’ll give myself a 0 to start with.... (Others might debate this)

Money
I had to give myself a reality check regarding this recently. I’ve always had the ability to earn extra money, now i’ve taken the steps to achieve that. I was in the middle of 0&1 and not because of a really low income, just because I had a lot of dependents. I’ve now halved my dependents and almost tripled my income. Now I’m on the border of 1&2, maybe a clear 2, but i’ll round it down to +1.

Time
I have the ability to travel 4 weeks a year and I have lots of paid leave up my sleeve so I could spend longer in the FSU if needed..... +1

Language
The culture i’m getting my head around. The language.... I’m not going to delude myself, I have as much chance of understanding a Martian as a Russian ATM, but i’m working on it with an online course...... 0

Physical characteristics
I’m just an average guy and not by any means a buff male model. Sometime I can carry some extra weight occasionally (usually when my knee plays up), but I can lose that quickly and generally I have an athletic build. I thought about putting a +1 for this, but I’m going to go a +2, only because i’m  searching for a woman exactly the same age as me,  my competition is usually older men according to the women I’ve met and chatted with online, so I think thats a slight advantage. Also i’m a bit of an adrenaline junky and lead an active life, which I’ve been told by FSU women is attractive.

Personality
I’d like to think I’m a 2 and most Aussies would generally fall into this category, due to our outgoing social nature and culture. We are pretty confident in all social settings, but typically in a laid back style, which Russians commented on after spending time with me. We tend to make friends in a matter of minutes when we meet strangers of either sex. I now have 5 good Russian friends (not counting K&S) which is a good example of this, but i’ll put a +1 because I’m definitely sure I fall into this category and it offsets the “0” I gave myself regarding my children.

Total score is a solid 5 = (Warm): there's potential but weaknesses may hold you back.

I think that’s  realistic. I know my big weakness is the language barrier and even with a woman who speaks fluent English, there is still some communication problems when it comes to relationships issues.... Maybe this is just cultural differences and individual personalities?.... Also it could be me. When an issue arises, I over think things too much and push for answers, when I should just let it pan out like a Russian man would. I don’t do this with local women, so it’s an easy fix I think.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 14, 2019, 06:42:02 PM
I reckon within about a year I could be around a 5 on your scale. There's still a bit more work to do. I don't think I'll ever be the most exciting and stimulating guy around but I can do stuff to make my life a bit more interesting. That should become easier after I get more financially Independent, I can put more time over to leisure, etc. I think the main reason most adults social circle dwindles as they get older is that work starts to take over, both for them and them people they know.

I know that it can depend on finding the right fit rather than holding particularly stuff, but that of course you can be better placed and make the process easier.

I don't know what ideas FSW have of the WM they will meet and the lifestyle. I've heard some stuff from some of them. Some expect to be a kept women, others want to work, some have visions of a mansion perhaps, others something more common maybe.

Come on trench, all of the other guys are married or have been married to a FSU women. We’re pretty much the only two beginners who are regularly on here and haven’t achieved their level success yet, so this is only for our benefit.

I’ve put it all out there and I’m happy to take criticism for my score and reassess it. You need to do the same. What’s your perceived score now for each section and where do you see your score heading?
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: rwd123 on December 15, 2019, 04:40:01 AM

Is this your own system RWD?.....
It's not a system but something that came to mind reading Trench's post.

I'd self assess as a 4 or 5, as I've taken a hit financially in the last 12 months and has had a massive impact on my life/lifestyle. If I get my work and finances sorted I'll bounce back up (though wouldn't mean I'd pursue a woman local or international, I have an extremely busy and enjoyable life and not sure I'd prioritise a relationship at the expense of other things).

My guess is Trench is currently in negative territory, I did say critically self-assess. It's supposed to be a way to give yourself a reality check, not a delusional affirmation.

My guess Pat is around the 7 or 8 mark but isn't looking for a good woman, but rather a good time. Nothing wrong with that but you attract certain types of people by your attitudes and actions.
Title: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 15, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
A busboy? £25k is good money in the UK, at least standard, if not
more so. Of course it depends on expenses, state benefits etc.

Trench, I want to go all Moby and say negative things to you.
That is not a wage for an adult with a brain. That wage is for
somebody who lives in their mothers basement and smokes
pot all day long, then goes to the 7-11 and works behind the
counter for 6 hours per day, then goes home.

Google Median Income in the UK.

You have to decide if you want to be a loser or not as does
your friend. There is no chance that your friend can be successful
unless he doubles his income.



Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM
Trench, I want to go all Moby and say negative things to you.
That is not a wage for an adult with a brain. That wage is for
somebody who lives in their mothers basement and smokes
pot all day long, then goes to the 7-11 and works behind the
counter for 6 hours per day, then goes home.

Google Median Income in the UK.

You have to decide if you want to be a loser or not as does
your friend. There is no chance that your friend can be successful
unless he doubles his income.

Bill this isn't the US, competition for jobs is very tough even for £25k. The type of job you describe would doubtless earn half that, around £12k for doing six hour shifts weekdays in a 7/11.

Davo the other day explained how good money could be gained in Australia for those that aren't afraid to put the effort or risk in. The US is probably more towards that way but in the UK the higher paid jobs are not everyday opportunities for those that are willing, you need either lots of experience and/or high up contacts.

Some jobs if you really put the hours in you can earn money perhaps up to £35k such as lorry driver since there is a shortage of them as no one wants to be sat behind a wheel all day everyday plus it is seen as blue collar. Even then a lorry driving license is need that costs a few thousand £.

Professional jobs are around but many of them start of on £25k or less and most of them won't go up all that much over time. All professional jobs are highly fought over especially the higher earning ones.

The better way to get onto good money in the UK is to find a good income stream through a form of business, but that takes time. Anything easy to do in the UK and everyone is doing it which of course takes away the profit in it usually. That what comes with being on a small island that is densely populated, everyone is treading on everyone's toes. If you come up with a good idea for making money in the UK keep it to yourself or you'll soon have lots of others copying you who will have no hang up about stealing your idea.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 15, 2019, 03:02:32 PM
It's not a system but something that came to mind reading Trench's post.

I'd self assess as a 4 or 5, as I've taken a hit financially in the last 12 months and has had a massive impact on my life/lifestyle. If I get my work and finances sorted I'll bounce back up (though wouldn't mean I'd pursue a woman local or international, I have an extremely busy and enjoyable life and not sure I'd prioritise a relationship at the expense of other things).

My guess is Trench is currently in negative territory, I did say critically self-assess. It's supposed to be a way to give yourself a reality check, not a delusional affirmation.

My guess Pat is around the 7 or 8 mark but isn't looking for a good woman, but rather a good time. Nothing wrong with that but you attract certain types of people by your attitudes and actions.

 
What you wrote is quite interesting in term of scale of success RWD123.
It could help a lot of guys starting this journey. 
That's a solid foundation and could be improved and incorporated in the five steps for newbies "assess your chances"
I Wrote myself, as i wanted my ex wifey to have a business in the marriage agency business a questionnaire. And we are both around the same topics RWD. 

Yes my score is a solid 8 considering that my willingness is to not marry in my country so supporting two people (i did) is out of the score.  I Think the link is not clear between age difference and shape, i understand how you want it to work but maybe should be separated.  Or maybe i misunderstood, you wanted to say Within 5-10 years of a woman OR in good shape, etc. (maybe better with a OR). 
 
Now about attracting the good girls because you are serious and getting the bad girls because you are not serious (what is it to be serious? first question that needs to be discussed).
I never really thought in such simplification. i met tons of good girls last 16 months but the ones i had been in relationship didn't give me any real sparks, so you can line up a train of good women it ends in few weeks (two months with my french girlfriend of this summer, two trips and one week of dating with my first girfriend of Kiev in June July). 

But the good news RWD123 is that i have some real and genuine sparks with this woman from Kiev I met 5 weeks ago. And she is damned interested in me also.
Is she a good woman? I think so, but only time will show. We meet again in 15 days. The connection is very very high.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: rwd123 on December 15, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
This is simply a way to consider the possibility of success in pursuing an international relationship. It's not a pass/fail test. It would be interesting for guys married to FSUW to critically self-assess (and share) how they rated themselves at the time they met their wives. My guess is they were 7 or more, even if they couldn't speak Russian.

Physical characteristics has to do with how desirable you are physically to other women. Your age, age difference, looks, and physical health will play a part. If you're overweight or chasing women 20 years younger then you're likely to be -1, whereas if you are fit and seeking women of a similar age then you may be +2. Are you physically desirable to women? It depends.

Pat, Some people have very specific life objectives such as getting married, having two children, etc. It appears you don't. My perception is you enjoy the chase more than the catch, so you may be attracting women who are more interested in being chased (possibly seen as "sluts") than being caught. There is nothing wrong with that, but if your behaviors are not aligned with your objectives then happiness may elude you.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: ML on December 15, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
TC - life is not transactional and deterministic, particularly when dealing with intercultural relationships. Women are different and seek different attributes in a partner. But I'll try to make it easy for you.

There are (at least) five primary factors that will determine possibility of "success" in international dating. They will vary at different times in your life:

A) Money
B) Language skills
C) Time
D) Physical characteristics
E) Personality

Money
-1: you receive any government welfare
0: need to budget, cannot afford two additional dependents, on a "low" income, etc.
1: can support two additional dependents and travel regularly without increasing income
2: money is not a concern

Language skills
-1: No language skills and clueless about the culture
0: Little or no (Russian) language skills
1: Passable conversational ability, can read a bit
2: Advanced conversational ability

Time
-1: Unlikely to visit the FSU in the next six months
0: Hard to take time off work, only two weeks annual holiday, etc.
1: Can travel up to four weeks a year and at least 2 visits
2: Can travel more than four weeks a year and make at 4+ visits

Physical characteristics
-1: 15+ years older than a woman, fat, ugly, etc.
0: 10+ years older, in poor shape, average looks, etc.
1: Within 5-10 years of a woman, in good shape, etc.
2: Less than 5 years older than a woman, good looking, good physique, etc.

Personality
-1: No confidence, boring, lacking social skills, etc.
0: Low confidence and a relatively boring person
1: Confident in dating, intelligent, an interesting interlocur
2: Can engage with people without speaking the same language, confident, charismatic, etc.


Self assess with a critical lens, rank yourself against each and add up your score:

< 0 (Cold): forget it, you don't have a chance.
0-4 (Cool): don't pursue an FSUW unless you dramatically improve yourself.
5-7 (Warm): there's potential but weaknesses may hold you back.
8-10 (Hot): if you're smart and persistent you'll probably find a good woman.


(Note: Whether you have children or not is probably the other factor I'd call out, but it really depends on your age and attitudes of a potential partner, and the age of children, so harder to rank. Generally speaking, -1 if you have kids, +1 if you don't.)

I am in the minus category.

So good thing I got my Gal trapped some time ago.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 16, 2019, 04:06:49 AM
I am in the minus category.
 :ROFL:
So good thing I got my Gal trapped some time ago.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 16, 2019, 10:21:06 AM
Bill this isn't the US, competition for jobs is very tough even for £25k. The type of job you describe would doubtless earn half that, around £12k for doing six hour shifts weekdays in a 7/11.

Trench,

Minimum wage in the UK is £8.21 per hour for people of 25 years old.
For a 36 hour week that is £295.56 x 52 weeks is £15,369.12 and for
a 40 hour week that is £17,076.8‬0. That means that ANY and EVERY
legal job in the UK gets that much.

£12.02 per hour is what your barely employed friend makes if he worked
full time (40 hours per week). Median income in the UK is £29,4001
which is not enough to support a FSUW and a child.

What kind of slackers can't make the median income? If you've can't aspire to be
average then stop trying to get a FSUW. FSUW aren't for slackers, the ones that
I've dated won't allow it to happen.

They will pester you to death. They will ask you to apply for every single job
that makes ONE penny more that you currently make. It doesn't matter if
the job is slopping hogs or rebuilding Harley's they will present it to you.
They will forward job openings to you every day.

As an experiment go to a marriage site and find the most average plain Jane
Svetlana who is moderately slim and 45 years old. She has close to ZERO
chances at marriage in Russia. Write her a letter and tell her that you make
substantially less than the median income and then ask her,
"how do you like me now."

She will prefer to stay single in Russia. You want a woman many years younger
and better looking AND you want to make a baby with her. With a bun in the oven
she will become even more intense that you need to make at least median income. 

I was unemployed very briefly. I knew this would be very stressful for Angel Eyes,
so I outlined my plan, potential employers, different companies that did what I did
and the advantages of the various companies. Angel Eyes and I would sit down at
least twice a week and go over everything.

I am a salesman, so I would always get hold of the sales manager and convince
them that they couldn't live without me. I didn't go through the idiots in HR first.
A sales manager in my industry could talk to me for 5 minutes and KNOW that I
knew what I was doing. Some clunker desk worker in HR wouldn't have a clue.

In a short time I had several offers and I sat down with Angel Eyes and went over
every detail. How much was salary, how much was commission, how much territory,
what the company did well and what they struggled with.

I had Angel Eyes engaged every step of the way, and she still forwarded suggestions
to me for fly by night jobs selling crap door to door, long haul trucking, driving Uber,
mixing paint at Home Depot and crap like that. 
 
You can't aspire to mediocrity and get one of these girls ESPECIALLY if you want to
make a baby with them.

http://tinyurl.com/t4y44vd
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: GQBlues on December 16, 2019, 10:46:37 AM
Sometimes when I think back, it amazes me at how times changed in a relatively short time. I still remember 'surviving' on a $1.65/hr picking fruits during the time I ran away from home. It was cash basis because it was illegal to have me working based on my age. I worked alongside mostly illegal aliens. That was hard work, man...

Then, when mumski 'found me' and got back home, we moved to SoCal. Shortly after that, left home before turning 18, I worked multiple jobs while I went to school. Roomed with 2 other guys in a small apartment. I was 'making' $2.50/hr. I remember getting a 50 cents raise and thought the sun shined upon me and sent angels to sing in my ears! $0.50/hr raised!

It's still hard for me to imagine how I was able to manage 'life' back in the time, so to speak. That life seems so long ago now that I'm getting $8.24/hr.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Faux Pas on December 16, 2019, 11:02:09 AM
Trench look at it this way, it's just as easy to marry a man with some money as it is to marry one without any. She doesn't need any help to live in poverty. She can do that by herself. Why would she double that misery?

Many/most of these women aren't looking for millionaires or Adonis gods. The same group are more than willing to do their part.

You spend more time rationalizing that lack of or minimum income is okay. It isn't. It takes above average income. The relationships are already hard enough to forge into a solid one. Lack of income is already half of that battle lost
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Davo on December 16, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
Trench, you’ve said you have the capacity to make more money, why aren’t you putting that plan into action now?....This is the ideal time. You’re single with no commitments and time rich. If you succeed and marry a FSU woman, I suspect you won’t have that luxury for the first few years as she will be dependant on you not only financially, but emotionally. You having to work  (12-14 hour days) because you suddenly realise that having a wife who doesn’t work is more expensive than you realise, isn’t good for a new relationship.

I’m not boasting or trying to put you down, but just give you an idea of what it takes to more than double an income quickly. I wake at 5:45am and work until 3:30pm in my engineering job for another company. 4:00 - 5:00 I spend time with my kids and prepare dinner for them. Then I start in my business (luckily it’s based at home) and I work until 8pm minimum.... often 10pm. Putting in the hours has started paying off and I have a lucrative contact with a local performance part supplier. Depending on the job I’m doing for them I can make very good money. I also work one day a weekend. Sunday I worked 12 hours, produced 60 components and grossed $1500 US for the day. This is my biggest money spinner atm so I don’t make that much all the time but it shows what’s possible by putting in the hours and working hard

Becoming financially successful takes bloody hard work, long hours and commitment. No FSU women or any woman would accept the hours i’ve been doing. If I’m luckily enough to marry a woman from any country, I’ll be in a good position with my business that I can leave my engineering job and have a better family life.

I’m a blue collar worker and that makes absolutely no difference to 99% of women. As long as you can provide a comfortable life they don’t care. If it takes borrowing money to get your truck licence and make good money don’t let the “blue collar” label hold you back. It’s not a disadvantage in the dating game.

Title: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 16, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
Sometimes when I think back, it amazes me at how times changed in a relatively short time. I still remember 'surviving' on a $1.65/hr

I remember working for my Dad and making $1.25/hr. I got a job elsewhere
because minimum wage was almost double that. My skinflint Dad paid me
less than everyone else even though I was totally trusted above everyone
else.

I had a baby face but convinced somebody that I was 18 (I was 17) at a truck
stop and changed Truck tires for $3.50 an hour. You had to be 18 years old to
work around those big trucks. I can't imagine being happy with my lot in life
making peanuts.

Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 16, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
Trench, you’ve said you have the capacity to make more money, why aren’t you putting that plan into action now?....This is the ideal time. You’re single with no commitments and time rich. If you succeed and marry a FSU woman, I suspect you won’t have that luxury for the first few years as she will be dependant on you not only financially, but emotionally. You having to work  (12-14 hour days) because you suddenly realise that having a wife who doesn’t work is more expensive than you realise, isn’t good for a new relationship.

I’m not boasting or trying to put you down, but just give you an idea of what it takes to more than double an income quickly. I wake at 5:45am and work until 3:30pm in my engineering job for another company. 4:00 - 5:00 I spend time with my kids and prepare dinner for them. Then I start in my business (luckily it’s based at home) and I work until 8pm minimum.... often 10pm. Putting in the hours has started paying off and I have a lucrative contact with a local performance part supplier. Depending on the job I’m doing for them I can make very good money. I also work one day a weekend. Sunday I worked 12 hours, produced 60 components and grossed $1500 US for the day. This is my biggest money spinner atm so I don’t make that much all the time but it shows what’s possible by putting in the hours and working hard

Becoming financially successful takes bloody hard work, long hours and commitment. No FSU women or any woman would accept the hours i’ve been doing. If I’m luckily enough to marry a woman from any country, I’ll be in a good position with my business that I can leave my engineering job and have a better family life.

I’m a blue collar worker and that makes absolutely no difference to 99% of women. As long as you can provide a comfortable life they don’t care. If it takes borrowing money to get your truck licence and make good money don’t let the “blue collar” label h increold you back. It’s not a disadvantage in the dating game.

I appreciate your input Davo, Well I'm doing stuff to increase my income, it's just taking a bit longer than I originally hoped. I've been converting my house from a one bed to a three bed outside of my job. Unfortunately some of the tasks took a lot longer than first thought but now I'm making progress quite smoothly and should be done by about June this year. The upshot is that the value of my house will more than double and I will be able to rent out a couple of rooms to Lodgers. I can then mortgage this property and buy another and do the same by doing this I should be able to bring in s monthly income of £500-£1k after mortgage & costs Independant of my job. I will then probably chuck in my job and look to achieve more Independant income, probably online if possible.

Like you Davo I realised that there is both the money side and the lifestyle side. A guy that brings in the money but is lacking in any sort of lifestyle as he is working all the time is not likely to be fair well in his relationship with a FSW as she is unlikely to find the lifestyle much fun of spending a lot of time apart from the guy she is supposed to be with. The two together money and time for lifestyle tend to entail more input that working the 9-5 job or whatever and likely mean a move into some form of business to get away from the 9-5.

Honestly though most guys in the UK do the 9-5 type of jobs and not at great money, it's the standard around here. The way the tax system works here is that you get about £12.5k tax free. After that you lose about a third of your pay in tax, that's a heavy hit and means that a £35k job while still getting good money in is not as lucrative as it first may sound. So they key at least as far as I see it is trying to gain income in the most tax efficient manner. You're right though Davo as a single guy this is the best time to work at getting a good income coming in. I don't mind putting in the work just sometimes it doesn't happen magically as quickly as hoped for.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 16, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
I appreciate your input Davo, Well I'm doing stuff to increase my income, it's just taking a bit longer than I originally hoped. I've been converting my house from a one bed to a three bed outside of my job. Unfortunately some of the tasks took a lot longer than first thought but now I'm making progress quite smoothly and should be done by about June this year. The upshot is that the value of my house will more than double and I will be able to rent out a couple of rooms to Lodgers. I can then mortgage this property and buy another and do the same by doing this I should be able to bring in s monthly income of £500-£1k after mortgage & costs Independant of my job. I will then probably chuck in my job and look to achieve more Independant income, probably online if possible.

Like you Davo I realised that there is both the money side and the lifestyle side. A guy that brings in the money but is lacking in any sort of lifestyle as he is working all the time is not likely to be fair well in his relationship with a FSW as she is unlikely to find the lifestyle much fun of spending a lot of time apart from the guy she is supposed to be with. The two together money and time for lifestyle tend to entail more input that working the 9-5 job or whatever and likely mean a move into some form of business to get away from the 9-5.

Honestly though most guys in the UK do the 9-5 type of jobs and not at great money, it's the standard around here. The way the tax system works here is that you get about £12.5k tax free. After that you lose about a third of your pay in tax, that's a heavy hit and means that a £35k job while still getting good money in is not as lucrative as it first may sound. So they key at least as far as I see it is trying to gain income in the most tax efficient manner. You're right though Davo as a single guy this is the best time to work at getting a good income coming in. I don't mind putting in the work just sometimes it doesn't happen magically as quickly as hoped for.
Trench you make good points there, I wish you to continue to hit the gym and to go full throttle for your real estate project. 
Spend more time in this damned house to finish asap the work that has to be done and less time here. 
Don't complain about the tax system in UK, because in France it's largely worse.
Women in a way would like to enjoy with huby a nice life style that less and less men can offer, while those women stay at home. This damned western culture is full of people that have a lot of fun but you have noticed that you never see them working. Films, videos ...
Of course every people enough serious to be a real adult knows that is a joke, but this "culture" is rotting the mind of many. Women here have an advantage, they benefit more than men of the social standards, which allows them to be supported.
 
If you want to know more how and why i started to kick my ass about money 14 years ago read http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13384.msg523621#msg523621 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13384.msg523621#msg523621)In Operation White Panther, you could be interested.

An Trench you have to stop to rationalize, a global excuse to justify that your both feet are on the brake, and kick your ass to some action.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 17, 2019, 02:58:12 AM
Trench you make good points there, I wish you to continue to hit the gym and to go full throttle for your real estate project. 
Spend more time in this damned house to finish asap the work that has to be done and less time here. 
Don't complain about the tax system in UK, because in France it's largely worse.
Women in a way would like to enjoy with huby a nice life style that less and less men can offer, while those women stay at home. This damned western culture is full of people that have a lot of fun but you have noticed that you never see them working. Films, videos ...
Of course every people enough serious to be a real adult knows that is a joke, but this "culture" is rotting the mind of many. Women here have an advantage, they benefit more than men of the social standards, which allows them to be supported.
 
If you want to know more how and why i started to kick my ass about money 14 years ago read http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13384.msg523621#msg523621 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13384.msg523621#msg523621)In Operation White Panther, you could be interested.

An Trench you have to stop to rationalize, a global excuse to justify that your both feet are on the brake, and kick your ass to some action.

Indeed Pat part of the reason I converted the house was the same as the conclusion you came to with the flat you bought. Funny I was thinking about it just yesterday, while I am primarily looking at it as a means of Independent income in the short to medium term in general there is also the longer term goal of it needing to be more useful. A one bedroom flat or in my case a one bedroom house many a person but women in particular will look at it and think 'ok what are we supposed to do if we have children, put a bunk bed in our main (and only) bedroom' lol. So immediately their is the issue in meeting a FSW  that the guy needs to be able to provide in this instance since a lot of FSW won't be able to bring much to the table unlike possibly their western female counterparts in terms of their own property of value hence moving up the ladder by pooling resources isn't that likely for many of them.

Myself I also had the added longer term reason that for modern living at least my lifestyle if I were to end up living in it permanently one largish bedroom an one fairly largish living room is not enough. Extra rooms for as a study, fitness/gym type of room, stay over room, free space area, etc all come in very handy. In contrast just a bedroom, kitchen, bathroom & lounge can get limited. The place was essentially built in the early part of the twentieth century when such ideas were not thought of for the everyday man but lifestyle has moved on I think.

So I can see why you made a change to your lifestyle Pat. Again it's the girl envisaging herself in a lifestyle with a guy. A three bed place with a nice car etc works for her. I don't think it enters a lot of girls minds whether a guy actually owns it outright, if there is the vision there of it then in a girl's mind it's as if he did own it outright. I see it all the time guys with flash cars they are paying through the ear for in order to get the girl (usually a materialistic one) the guy probably isn't all that wealthy less so as he is up to he's beck in debt with it, but because he is projecting the image they like to see they will go for him. Kind of crazy when it gets to that level of image creation without much if anything in the way if reality supporting it.

Millennials I find too are very materialistic and showy with a profound lack of reality. They tend to be all image and completely deluded to the reality of their situation. Doesn't matter if they are on benefit or low paid work they will go out and spend out all the way just to get 'the look'that they are 'someone'. They seem to think they are all celebrities deluded by Hollywood & Pop culture but in reality they are a nobody, but they still want to keep up the pretense as if they are, lol.
Title: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 17, 2019, 08:01:22 AM
An Trench you have to stop to rationalize, a global excuse to justify that your
both feet are on the brake, and kick your ass to some action.

In six months That would be May of 2020 we can check to see if Trench
did any of these things. I predict that he made 800 new posts, and contacted
dozens of FSUW by May of 2020 and started NONE of the projects. 

Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Patagonie on December 17, 2019, 08:49:19 AM
In six months That would be May of 2020 we can check to see if Trench
did any of these things. I predict that he made 800 new posts, and contacted
dozens of FSUW by May of 2020 and started NONE of the projects.
We will see Krim.
He is making some progress anyway.But the main concern is that is has to go the UK field and he has to spend time with women.
You can be rich, you can be smart, you can be handsome, but if after five minutes the three ladies around you are looking for one each other nodding their head with disapproval and start to stop to you talk to you ...
It's better to improve your social skills.
Trench i talk about you here, but you are not alone many men needs to do such a thing. Maybe 80%.
Title: Re: Asking this for a friend - How do they square this one?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 18, 2019, 02:17:05 PM
Well, I've got some leave booked off in early February so I am looking at that date for trying out 2tallbill's idea. I can get cheap flights out to Ukraine so that would be best for doing this. That time of year it will be a little chilly but odds are the hotels will be quite cheap. Essentially it means that I can get going on it early in the year at a cheap price. I'll probably choose Kiev or possibly another city depending on what girls I might be able to turf up. I've already seen the city so I won't be distracted by doing tourism. Hopefully I'll have at least a couple of ladies that will agree to meet, I will keep Badoo as a back up just in case. With a bit of luck I'll get to meet a few women and will see how it goes. In any case I figure I can build on my existing experience out there assuming I can get some women up in the first place using this method I'm guessing.