Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[Gator]

When the Florida vote started to lean towards Obama with much of the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area not yet reported, I turned off the TV and went to bed early .  My sweet and lovely wife commented, "Maybe not so bad?"   Good question.

Obama won, but by such a narrow margin.  Will he recognize that he needs to be the leader for 100% of America and not just 50%?  Will he reach across the aisle?    If not, we have where we left off for the election in our democracy - confrontation and gridlock.  Gridlock usually is not so bad, yet the fiscal cliff necessitates some cooperation.   
 
Obama's first four years say he will not compromise even though that is at the core of the democratic process.  We will soon see if he has learned anything, or will he become even more recalcitrant given that he is not running for reelection.
 

[Cameraguy]

Note to republicans: don't mess woth women! 

Especially Missouri's Todd Akin, who got legitimately raped!

[Gator]

The election should be a wake up for the Republican Party.  Our number one issue is the economy, and if a highly qualified moderate candidate with good character can not defeat an incumbent with a bad record and questionable character, how can the Party win any election?
 
Is this more than needing to reach the center?  The single-issue voting bloc of blacks-hispanics-single white women is growing, and their high turnout elected Obama.  This will not change unless the Party changes.

The analysts will study the voting statistics over the next few days and make conclusions about the sentiment and trend of American voters.  Here are a few early statistics that surprised me, and maybe I misheard them:
 
-  The "unemployed" mostly voted for Obama even though Romney's platform was about creating lots and lots of jobs and Obama has not been able to do that.  To paraphrase, "Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you."

-  Only 25% of the voters felt that their life was better today than four years ago.  Yet, the others did not overwhelmingly vote for for Romney.

-  50% of the military in Virginia voted for Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Surely I misheard the reporter.
 
-  15% of the voters thought Sandy was the number one issue.  Shows the value of a good photo op. 

-  53% still blame Bush.  Incredulous considering that the problem started before Bush and "everyone" was to blame.

[Gator]

Especially Missouri's Todd Akin, who got legitimately raped!

And justifiably so.

[Gator]

So where do the next four years take us:

-  More taxes (everyone),
-  More debt (does anyone think a social agenda will stem the tide?),
-  Continued high unemployment,
-  Higher prices for energy and continued dependence upon imports and what that implies for placating the Middle East,
-  Weakened military (a little not so bad, but a lot?).
 
What else am I missing?
 
 
 

[Eduard]

So where do the next four years take us:

-  More taxes (everyone),
-  More debt (does anyone think a social agenda will stem the tide?),
-  Continued high unemployment,
-  Higher prices for energy and continued dependence upon imports and what that implies for placating the Middle East,
-  Weakened military (a little not so bad, but a lot?).
 
What else am I missing?

"Tell Vladimir that I will be more flexible after the election" is one... I really doubt that BHO have "learned" anything from this election. He has his ideology so nothing has changed. I think we'll see a lot of nasty crap happening in the next 4 years.  Frankly I'm in shock and feel like a tragedy just happened.

[BC]

Obama's first four years say he will not compromise even though that is at the core of the democratic process.  We will soon see if he has learned anything, or will he become even more recalcitrant given that he is not running for reelection.

It's up to Congress to compromise and reach a consensus.  The President can only state what he/she would like to see and either sign or veto.  It's a pretty simple process.  I'm pretty sure Obama will show a good bit of brass over the next four years without the weight of another election campaign on his back.  He'll get a lot done and the economy will continue healing 

The election should be a wake up for the Republican Party. 

That is exactly what was said last time 'round...

BC.... Biden / Clinton may be what we see in 2016.  Obama may even be back in the future in the form of Michelle... Clinton / M. Obama in 2020.. .she's a smart cookie, the kids will have grown up and she'll need a hobby greater than the WH vegie garden.

[JBXT]

BC,

Your vision scares the crap out of me.

Personally I've come up with a new price list for my services.  Prices have doubled for any survey project within a state or province that voted for Obama.  If your project is in OH or PA, the price is now $1200.00 per day, +the 3 M's, I won't go to NY for any price.

My plan is to let those damned Yankees freeze and starve in the dark.

[Gator]

It's up to Congress to compromise and reach a consensus.  The President can only state what he/she would like to see and either sign or veto.  It's a pretty simple process. 

BC, with all due respect, you are out of touch.  Although you reference the simple flow chart for legislation, that is not how it works or worked.   Making politics is like making sausage.   Read the Wooward book, The Price of Politics.   Obama was in the middle of the negotiations.   It was more "I will hug your elephant, you can kiss my ass." 
 
Governance requires Obama to build relationships rather than ignore others, especially those who represent 50% of the people.
 

I'm pretty sure Obama will show a good bit of brass over the next four years without the weight of another election campaign on his back.  He'll get a lot done...

And what would that be?  More welfare, larger government, less use of America's oil, gas and coal resources, sweeping legalization of illegal immigrants, more divisiveness, ..........
 

   ...  and the economy will continue healing 

Yes, American business is resilient, even with an obstructionist President, but at what pace?  The European pace? 

BC.... Biden / Clinton may be what we see in 2016.  Obama may even be back in the future in the form of Michelle... Clinton / M. Obama in 2020.. .she's a smart cookie, the kids will have grown up and she'll need a hobby greater than the WH vegie garden.

And I just had my breakfast.    Michelle is self-centered, undignified, etc.   Maybe you identify with her style, but that's you.

[GQBlues]

So another 4 years of swimming in the tank of bottom dwellers, eh? Sad reality to my country. Where can I file my Section 8 forms, please?

Anyway...so last night during the process a thought came to mind...what if Romney/Ryan got elected? If they got elected, this will mean at least 8 years before Marco Rubio gets his run for the White House. Rubio deserves to be in this race now, not in 8 years...

That would be my silver lining in this election. This gives Marco Rubio a golden opportunity to groom for 4 years and become the first Cuban to become the US president.

So Marco Rubio/Paul Ryan 2016!

[BC]

BC, with all due respect, you are out of touch.  Although you reference the simple flow chart for legislation, that is not how it works or worked.   Making politics is like making sausage.   Read the Wooward book, The Price of Politics.   Obama was in the middle of the negotiations.   It was more "I will hug your elephant, you can kiss my ass." 
 
Governance requires Obama to build relationships rather than ignore others, especially those who represent 50% of the people.

Yes, the simplest rule for sure.  But where's compromise in Congress when the Republican ruled House simply say 'No taxes'?  Compromise is different from being stubborn as a rock by principle..
 

And what would that be?  More welfare, larger government, less use of America's oil, gas and coal resources, sweeping legalization of illegal immigrants, more divisiveness, ..........

divisiveness?  the basic problem of the Republican party is divisiveness.... that's why Romney did not get elected.. he was not inclusive enough.

Yes, American business is resilient, even with an obstructionist President, but at what pace?  The European pace? 

At a reasonable, steady pace, without booms and crashes.
 

And I just had my breakfast.    Michelle is self-centered, undignified, etc.   Maybe you identify with her style, but that's you.

No, I can't identify with her style as I hardly know her.. but she is a smart cookie in my book and over the years will gather a whole lot of first hand OJT..  Don't underestimate her.. I think the majority of voters think just as well of Michelle as Obama.  Think she wants to go back to lawyering after all this?

[Faux Pas]

Yes, the simplest rule for sure.  But where's compromise in Congress when the Republican ruled House simply say 'No taxes'?  Compromise is different from being stubborn as a rock by principle.

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There would have to be a "leader" for compromise to happen. We don't have one
 

 

No, I can't identify with her style as I hardly know her.. but she is a smart cookie in my book and over the years will gather a whole lot of first hand OJT..  Don't underestimate her.. I think the majority of voters think just as well of Michelle as Obama.  Think she wants to go back to lawyering after all this?

She's not able. She surrendered her license long ago to avoid prosecution

[BC]

She's not able. She surrendered her license long ago to avoid prosecution

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

But yeah.. snopes is some commie / socialist / dem coverup site......

Don't folks try anymore to sift out the trash in their email boxes instead of believing such crappola? 

[Eduard]

Just came back from the gym - every one is in a daze... chatted with a couple of people, they are talking about selling their homes and moving out of the country. Now that he doesn't have to worry about the reelection the Soros' Marxist puppet will start implementing the new world order agenda a lot quicker. Brace for impact, people.

[Faux Pas]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

But yeah.. snopes is some commie / socialist / dem coverup site......

Don't folks try anymore to sift out the trash in their email boxes instead of believing such crappola?

snopes IMHO isn't the end all/tell all either BC. If you wish to accept that explanation, knock yourself out. I did sift through the net some time back before BO was elected the first time. There has been some serious scrubbing of all information relating to BO and Michelle. Much information that was previously on the net just simply isn't there to be found any longer. Conspiracy, who knows? What I did read before was she knowingly participated in an insurance fraud and was allowed to surrender her license to avoid prosecution. The Bar of Illinois lists her license voluntarily surrendered, not inactive. Good luck finding much more on the incident on the net other than emails and snopes

[ML]

. . . they are talking about selling their homes and moving out of the country.

But first, they will have to find a better place when you consider the entire package.

Yes, I agree our country is in trouble and with Obama's plans we will decline further.

Our children and grandchildren are not going to enjoy the life that we have.

However, really; where is a better place right now?

[BC]

Just came back from the gym - every one is in a daze... chatted with a couple of people, they are talking about selling their homes and moving out of the country. Now that he doesn't have to worry about the reelection the Soros' Marxist puppet will start implementing the new world order agenda a lot quicker. Brace for impact, people.

Ahh the doom, the gloom after every election... never stops does it.

Your friends will never move out of the country because of the election.  They did not last time, nor will they this time.

[BC]

snopes IMHO isn't the end all/tell all either BC. If you wish to accept that explanation, knock yourself out. I did sift through the net some time back before BO was elected the first time. There has been some serious scrubbing of all information relating to BO and Michelle. Much information that was previously on the net just simply isn't there to be found any longer. Conspiracy, who knows? What I did read before was she knowingly participated in an insurance fraud and was allowed to surrender her license to avoid prosecution. The Bar of Illinois lists her license voluntarily surrendered, not inactive. Good luck finding much more on the incident on the net other than emails and snopes

Faux,

There is a huge effort by some seriously well paid experts to dig any dirt out there by the opposing parties.. if something was amiss it would have shown up by now.

Do you still believe Obama was not born in the US? 

Comeon, get serious..

[BC]

However, really; where is a better place right now?

Yeah, finding somewhere 'livable' that does not have universal healthcare, no taxes, no government debt, no unemployment and no regulation on business is going to downright impossible.

A pipe dream... now legal in some states.  Someone mentioned Colorado?

[ML]

For those who are seriously thinking about the future of the USA;
ponder these numbers:  http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls


                                     Total    Obama    Romney    Other

    White:                        72%      39%        59%         2%

    African-American:       13%       93%         6%         1%

    Latino:                       10%       71%        27%        2%

    Asian:                          3%       73%        26%        1%

    Other:                          2%       58%        38%        4%

In any group of people (work group, state, nation, etc.), there are net givers and net takers (work effort, money, etc.)

So as the years roll on, and the population make-up continues to change . . . who will be taking more and more, and who will be asked to give more and more.

(Note: The Asians appear to be an anomaly in the above chart with respect to takers/givers).

Now, for those who think that the future trends cannot lead to anything all that bad . . . please identify the African and Latin American countries that you will be happy for the USA to emulate.

[Faux Pas]

Faux,

There is a huge effort by some seriously well paid experts to dig any dirt out there by the opposing parties.. if something was amiss it would have shown up by now.

Do you still believe Obama was not born in the US? 

Comeon, get serious..

Where did I ever state he wasn't born in America? You must have me confused with someone else. I'm just telling you BC what I read a number of years ago. Much of which is no longer there. Why it isn't, I don't know and won't speculate but, I know what I read. I don't hold snopes in any high regard either as the beacon of  truth or holy grail.

[Gator]

There is a huge effort by some seriously well paid experts to dig any dirt out there by the opposing parties.. if something was amiss it would have shown up by now.

Do you still believe Obama was not born in the US? 

And what hint of a scandal did the experts find about Romney? 
 
And how many questions, serious questions, do we have about Obama?  By serious question I do not mean where he was born, but what are the missing parts of his history, parts that would reveal more about his true character and ideology?  You know them.  There are so many that something is there. 
 
We shall see Obama's ideology and character as the fiscal debates unfold.

[BC]

And what hint of a scandal did the experts find about Romney? 
 

He was quite open about his tax returns wasn't he?

[Eduard]

He was quite open about his tax returns wasn't he?

guess which one of them would raise more eye brows if both released ALL of their records from highschool till now.... I don't believe we'd have Obama as a president if that happened.

[ML]

guess which one of them would raise more eye brows if both released ALL of their records from high school till now.... I don't believe we'd have Obama as a president if that happened.

What was 'ppg' and 'fta' for each in high school?