The Russian/Syrian connection thread

[alex330]

Interesting interview on the Wagner merc recruiter in Russia. And details on troop losses from US airstrikes several weeks back.


http://www.france24.com/en/20180223-russia-fighters-syria-exclusive-interview-mercenary-wagner?ref=fb

[BillyB]

Interesting interview on the Wagner merc recruiter in Russia. And details on troop losses from US airstrikes several weeks back.


http://www.france24.com/en/20180223-russia-fighters-syria-exclusive-interview-mercenary-wagner?ref=fb

Interesting the recruiter says the families of the deceased soldiers won't know they're dead until after the presidential election.


Communications were intercepted between Russians over the event. They dropped a lot of F bombs over what happened. They not only lost over 200 men, they lost all but one of their tanks. They got their assess handed to them before American ground troops could get into the fight.


I wonder if the owner of Wagner sent his private army in to face the Americans right before payday?


Translated transcripts in the link below


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-leaked-audio-humiliating-defeat-by-us-forces-2018-2

[alex330]

They got their assess handed to them before American ground troops could get into the fight.

[msmob]

Ahem,

The relations DO know when their loved ones are killed

1/ They read /  see /read about it ..

2/ They get the body back and insurance money

[alex330]

A stack of rubles for babushka sure, but no bodies to send home on this one.

There is evidence surfacing that regulars from the Russian 5th Assault team were also involved in this incident.

[BillyB]

Ahem,

The relations DO know when their loved ones are killed

1/ They read /  see /read about it ..

The guy in the video who works for Wagner said Russian families won't know until after the election. Russia's initial statement said their were 5 dead and now they raised it to over a dozen. Russia doesn't want their citizens to believe over a hundred Russians died. I've seen about 9 or 10 names put out by Russian media of those who died. That means hundreds of families don't know if their son/husband/father is dead yet. Do you know of a list that exists of over hundred names of those who died in that fight?

[msmob]

More observant contributors will note I posted an article about mercenary casualties in Syria from Oct / Nov 2017 and a Moscow Times article that predates yahoo and company ..

Even the BBC ran an article showing how relatives were notified..

Over to you, BillyB ...

[Gator]

Contrary to my opinion that Saddam sold his chemical weapons to Syria, a NY Times article today suggests North Korea could be involved.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-links-north-korea-to-syria’s-chemical-weapon-program/ar-BBJEadn?ocid=spartanntp

[BillyB]

I posted an article about merciany casualties in Syria from Oct / Nov 2017 and a Moscow Times article that predates yahoo and company ..

We are talking about a battle that happened Feb 2018. I posted an article where Putin announces the Russian mission in Syria is over in Dec 2017. Should make citizens happy the war is a success and over before they vote next month. It would look extremely bad for Putin if the media announced 200+ Russians confirmed dead in Syria. That's why the official statement said there were 5 dead and since somebody leaked some names, they updated the dead to a few dozen.


The goal was to take an oil field. Americans were in contact with Russians before, during and after the fight and each time the Russians denied they were in that fight. Of course they knew Wagner was there although they claim they did not. I think they wanted to test the Americans. If they want to expand their borders elsewhere, they'd have a good understanding of what they're up against should the Americans come to the rescue of those they're taking over.

[msmob]

We are talking about a battle that happened Feb 2018.

Yes, and that was the Moscow Times and BBC articles ..  Please keep up, BillyB..

[BillyB]

    Okay Moby, you are right and the guy that works for Wagner and knows many soldiers deaths in the last battle won't get disclosed till after the election is wrong. 

[msmob]

))

BillyB


READ the articles I posted !

[tfcrew]

Utter stupidity to me...
The UN [security council] meets to vote on a cease fire.
Why did they have to all agree on stopping the bloodshed? 
Who would say nah...keep it up.
Supposed to be a 30 day thing...it didn't last 2.



The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously on Saturday in favor of a 30-day cease-fire in Syria

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/world/middleeast/un-security-council-syria.html

The disUnited Nations.....  the prime example of absolute worthlessness.

[msmob]

Utter stupidity to me...
The UN [security council] meets to vote on a cease fire.
Why did they have to all agree on stopping the bloodshed? 

Because Russia vetoes anything that might not help Al-ASSad's cause

[SANDRO43]

Utter stupidity to me...The UN [security council] meets to vote on a cease fire. Why did they have to all agree on stopping the bloodshed? 

Unfortunately implicit in the UN Charter, produced by the winners of WWII, the US, UK, Russia, France and China: they made sure that any of them could veto an unwelcome resolution .

[BillyB]

Trump blames Putin and Russia for supporting Assad in latest major chemical attack. Mainstream anti Trump media isn't reporting it because it doesn't fit their description Trump in bed with Putin. Trump already said and done more against Putin and Russia in Syria in less than a year and a half than Obama said and done in 8 years. Trump promises a big price to pay in Syria for the chemical attack.


http://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-warns-apos-big-141833881.html

[msmob]

BillyB

What did firing a few Tomahawks do to stop Al Assad and his sponsors?

Did the wholesale slaughter stop?

[BillyB]

BillyB

What did firing a few Tomahawks do to stop Al Assad and his sponsors?

Did the wholesale slaughter stop?

At least Trump made more of an effort than Obama to discourage Assad from using Chemical weapons. Response last year was weak. Trump promises a big price to pay this time. He said he'll make up his mind what it will be in 24-48 hrs.

[tfcrew]

 
Remember that H Clinton wanted to remove Assad?
With Assad gone who would be in charge there?

Liberal leaders call for challenge to Gabbard over Syria skepticism
A handful of mavericks in Congress have said they want to see more evidence of Assad's involvement (CNN)A pair of veteran leaders on the left, former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and Center for American Progress President Neera Tanden, called on Hawaiians to vote Rep. Tulsi Gabbard out of office after the Democrat questioned whether Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was responsible for last week's chemical attack."People of Hawaii's 2nd District -- was it not enough for you that your rep met with a murderous dictator? Will this move you?" Tanden tweeted Friday in response to Gabbard's comments on CNN that she is "skeptical" Assad is responsible for the chemical attack.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/politics/democratic-leaders-gabbard-syria/index.html

No one ever came up with absolute concrete proof that Assad launched the attacks last year or did this time.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21587.msg480685#msg480685

[fathertime]

Remember that H Clinton wanted to remove Assad?
With Assad gone who would be in charge there?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/politics/democratic-leaders-gabbard-syria/index.html

No one ever came up with absolute concrete proof that Assad launched the attacks last year or did this time.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21587.msg480685#msg480685

So far Trump has been better than hillary would have been...who knows how far she would have went in an intervention but I think it would have been further than Trump. 

Fathertime! 

[BillyB]

No one ever came up with absolute concrete proof that Assad launched the attacks last year or did this time.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21587.msg480685#msg480685

UN found Assad guilty last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/middleeast/syria-chemical-weapons.html

This time I'm sure Assad is guilty again. They have the town surrounded. ISIS who is at war with everybody and evil enough to use chemical weapons is wiped out so it couldn't be them. I doubt the rebels fighting would kill their own kids. Syria, Russia, and Iran own the skies in that area. Nothing gets in or out of that town without going through them. Nothing gets dropped from the skies except from their planes.

[jone]

Something smells fishy in Syria.  You have a city surrounded.  All you have to do is conduct a siege.  So you piss off the whole world by throwing in a bunch of weapons of mass destruction.  And threaten your own government and the government that is protecting you (Russia.)

What a Ko-Inky-Dink.

Most likely candidate list who really set off the weapons:

1.  CIA
2.  Israeli Army
3.  Kurds
4.  Anyone but Assad

But, now the Russians come back and say there was no Chemical weapon attack.  Makes 'em look more stupid than ever.  Can we say 'Nerve Agent'?  How about no Buks in Ukraine?  Oh, and Nemtsov got run over by a Garbage Truck.

Sorry Borris - you always look guilty these days.

[tfcrew]

UN found Assad guilty last year.

ISIS .... is wiped out so it couldn't be them.

Diminished anyway.
So, why wasn't Assad arrested then?

Posted by: jone.....

You have a city surrounded.  All you have to do is conduct a siege.  So you piss off the whole world by throwing in a bunch of weapons of mass destruction.  And threaten your own government...

Exactly
 

[BillyB]

So, why wasn't Assad arrested then?

The UN makes International law. They don't enforce International law. They'll send inspectors, observers and peacekeepers but they never send peacemakers.

[fathertime]

Something smells fishy in Syria.  You have a city surrounded.  All you have to do is conduct a siege.  So you piss off the whole world by throwing in a bunch of weapons of mass destruction.  And threaten your own government and the government that is protecting you (Russia.)

What a Ko-Inky-Dink.

Most likely candidate list who really set off the weapons:

1.  CIA
2.  Israeli Army
3.  Kurds
4.  Anyone but Assad
 

Trump doesn't have it within him to do such a thing in my opinion, so unless the CIA is acting on it's own I'd take the US off of that list.

Fathertime!