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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on January 29, 2019, 09:53:41 AM

No 'Honor' killings but a male dominated society of having a family 'Patroni' the eldest male making sure their women keep their honor. This I've been told by Georgian men I've gotten to know and some Western women who teach English here. Women keeping their virginity until marriage is expected. An American told me things were warming up between a young Georgian woman and himself until one day he was met at his door by three of her male relatives...
A young Georgian woman I knew, mostly from online, a few times on the phone, and twice in person but always in the accompany of her brothers or her cousin George. She told me it was true that Georgian woman were expected to remain virtuous until marriage, but the men were expected to sow their wild oats.

I know of many stories of Polish ladies remaining virgins until married at age 30.  That is still part of the Catholic culture there.  Conversely, there have been many stories about thousands of Russian girls selling their virginity online to the likes of Arab businessmen, and some more than once after having their hymens restored.  Obviously, saving themselves for marriage is a very quaint, old-fashioned idea.  They have learned they have a marketable commodity.  Despite the reports, I only found one high end escort site in Germany offering this service.   One would think that according to the law of supply and demand, if supply (online) increases, the prices should drop.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on January 29, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
Ple-ease

I go to Poland and Russia and know 3 generations of Poles and Russians in the UK / Cyprus

What you just posted - sorry - is twaddle

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on January 29, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
UW used to say that as well. But everyone discounted it. They used to say, roughly translated, “A virgin in her left ear.”  It loses something in translation.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on January 30, 2019, 10:19:20 AM
Ple-ease
I go to Poland and Russia and know 3 generations of Poles and Russians in the UK / Cyprus
What you just posted - sorry - is twaddle

Poles and Russians are culturally different.  Russia became much less religious under communism.  In Poland religion helped them conquer it.  Polish society is more conservative than the former Soviet states.  In Poland a girl selling her virginity online would be shameful.  It's not that they are all angels, far from it, but that the standards are higher, as with Georgia.

UW used to say that as well. But everyone discounted it. They used to say, roughly translated, “A virgin in her left ear.”  It loses something in translation.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

There is such a thing as a dirty virgin.  She only needs to be a virgin in one place, and it is not her ear...

P.S.  Google is a proper noun.  It should be capitalized in English.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on January 30, 2019, 11:48:08 AM
Poles and Russians are culturally different.  Russia became much less religious under communism.  In Poland religion helped them conquer it.

If anything, Poland is less religious and Russia more conservative ( pious ?)  now ...  Religion was one of two forces that  overcame totalitarianism - in Poland - the other was the workers .... 

Polish society is [ Moby suggestion WAS ] more conservative than the former Soviet states.  In Poland a girl selling her virginity online would be shameful.  It's not that they are all angels, far from it, but that the standards are higher, as with Georgia.


How often do you go to Poland ? I've never used the services of a sex-worker but the adverts for same are not invisible ....


P.S.  Google is a proper noun.  It should be capitalized in English.

Actually, it's a collective noun in the context you use and I make no apology for the lower case 'g' ... as *I* was using it as a verb ... 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 01, 2019, 02:33:33 AM
How often do you go to Poland ?

Far more often than you, and I have traveled around it extensively.  I know it quite well.

I've never used the services of a sex-worker but the adverts for same are not invisible ....

I don't either, but the only place in Poland I recall seeing such marketing, (i.e., very small printed advertisements left on car windshields and then blown around the streets), was in downtown Warsaw.  Prostitution itself isn't illegal in Poland, only promoting it and pimping, so it isn't unusual to see it in the capital city when it isn't so visible in other places.  Similarly, prostitution and other similar things like massage services and strip clubs are much more visible in Kiev than in other parts of Ukraine, and far more visible than in Warsaw.  Poland has attracted many women from the former Soviet states, and not a few are employed as strippers or sex workers.  So the fact that it is apparent doesn't prove that the workers are all Polish women.  Hardly.

If anything, Poland is less religious and Russia more conservative ( pious ?)  now ...
Religiosity and political conservatism are frequently related, but not quite the same thing.  I certainly didn't see an increase in religiosity in my last trip to Russia just over a year ago in comparison to my first trip many years prior.  Poland is presently governed by a president and two houses of the legislature that are quite strongly identified with conservative Catholicism.   They passed laws against businesses staying open on Sundays and proposed making abortions harder to have, even when Poland has one of the strictest anti-abortion laws already.:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/08/poland-is-trying-to-make-abortion-dangerous-illegal-and-impossible/
Support for the present Polish government is strongest in the rural areas of the country and the East, and weakest in the major cities such as Warsaw and the tri-city area of Gadansk, Gdynia, and Sopot.  Krakow is traditonaly more conservative than these places.  You appear to be talking out your dupa about Poland.  That is nothing new on this forum.

Religion was one of two forces that  overcame totalitarianism - in Poland - the other was the workers .... 

Another factor that you miss is that communism was imposed by an invading army that took half of the country, declared that Slavs in the West who spoke related dialects of Western Slavic languages were now Poles, and continued to occupy the resulting political state for over 50 years.  Nationalism certainly played a role in things as well.

Actually, it's a collective noun in the context you use and I make no apology for the lower case 'g' ... as *I* was using it as a verb ...

Who knew that msmob and Boethius are actually one and the same person?  It's not surprising to read such nonsense that Google was not used as a proper noun, when plainly it was. 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 01, 2019, 07:25:50 AM
Far more often than you, and I have traveled around it extensively.  I know it quite well.

I SERIOUSLY doubt it - esp given your myopic viewpoints as to reality


I don't either, [ moby - we are referring to the use of prostitutes ] but the only place in Poland I recall seeing such marketing, (i.e., very small printed advertisements left on car windshields and then blown around the streets), was in downtown Warsaw. 

Then - as we will see shortly - you demonstrate selective vision ..

Prostitution itself isn't illegal in Poland, only promoting it and pimping, so it isn't unusual to see it in the capital city when it isn't so visible in other places.  Similarly, prostitution and other similar things like massage services and strip clubs are much more visible in Kiev than in other parts of Ukraine, and far more visible than in Warsaw.  Poland has attracted many women from the former Soviet states, and not a few are employed as strippers or sex workers.  So the fact that it is apparent doesn't prove that the workers are all Polish women.  Hardly.

Tosh - just 'google' - as in a verb ( action - NOT a 'NOUN')  "escorts in Warsaw" - and that should put a lid on your 'knowledge'  - or lack of reality ire Poland

Indeed - many FSU folk can be found in former Warsaw Pact nations - such as Poland, Czech republic - and they do not ( just ) rely on the sex industry ...    Neither of us know much about the sex industry to be 'experts' - right ?

Comparing religiosity and political conservatism are frequently related, but not quite the same thing.  I certainly didn't see an increase in religion in my last trip to Russia just over a year ago in comparison to my first trip many years prior.  Poland is presently governed by a president and two houses of the legislature that are quite strongly identified with conservative Catholicism. 

 :ROFL:  I see v.little Christian-like 'tolerance' in sweeping aside the makeup of the Supreme Court, anti-immigration and attempts to disallow a raped women to be forbidden an abortion ....

Where IS Warsaw located in Poland  - there was me thinking it was in the far east - near the Belarus frontier .......?



 They passed laws against businesses staying open on Sundays

'I am an Ulster PROTESTANT and quite happy to have the shops closed on Sundays )

Another factor that you miss is that communism was imposed by an invading army that took half of the country, declared that Slavs in the West who spoke related dialects of Western Slavic languages were now Poles, and continued to occupy the resulting political state for over 50 years.  Nationalism certainly played a role in things as well.

Incorrect - the Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pactpact  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pactpact)initially split the West Nazi / and East ( Communism ) and Poles found themselves being expected to know German / Russian ....  followed by Russian   

Poland had even previously disappeared and before that had occupied much of western Russian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland%E2%80%93Russia_border (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland%E2%80%93Russia_border)

Who knew that msmob and Boethiues are actually one and the same person?  It's not surprising to read such nonsense that Google was not used as a proper noun, when plainly it was.

Well ONE of us is of Ukrainian lineage and female and t'other ( me) has no known lineage to the FSU

Unlike you - we DO understand the use of 'to google' - as a VERB

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 01, 2019, 02:06:19 PM
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: ML on February 02, 2019, 06:55:07 PM
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.

And where can these replacement hymens be purchased?

Do they come in different thicknesses?
What if the woman acquires one that is too thick (impenetrable)?

I checked on ebay and saw nothing.

- - - -  -

On a related (maybe) note.

I was with a gal who was extremely tight, even in her late 30s.
Like a first time virgin . . . every time.
She had child by cesarean section, presumably because of her small passage way.

Would have been fairly ideal, except . . .
She drank too much and was a terrible snorer.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 02, 2019, 10:25:42 PM
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.

In the UK, 'Fanny-plasatomy' operations - can be lucrative - if not very rewarding - work ..This type of 'improvement' .....? I must ask my biz partner how prevalent hymen replacements are ! 

Why DO N.Americans suggest the 'fanny' us at the 'rear' of a lady ? ..... If I a lass from N.American asks, "do you like my fanny"  to a Brit / Irish man ....
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 07, 2019, 06:53:01 AM
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.

Well it started out in a thread about Georgian women, where like Turkey, virginity is prized.  I remember a story I heard about the Greek community in North America 25 years ago about a young woman who was humiliated at her bridal shower for not being a virgin for her fiancé.  The tradition was that they put a white sheet on a bed and guests left money for the bride.  In her case, they put a black sheet on the bed and no one left any money.  The Greek girls had a reputation for doing everything but vaginal intercourse to remain, technically, virgins until marriage.

It's just very curious if Russia has become more religious and pious as msmob asserts why then isn't virginity so prized and left for marriage as Orthodoxy preaches?  Despite all of his snark here, he sadly begs that question.

Indeed - many FSU folk can be found in former Warsaw Pact nations - such as Poland, Czech republic - and they do not ( just ) rely on the sex industry ...    Neither of us know much about the sex industry to be 'experts' - right ?

The FSU girls have quite a reputation in Poland.  I do know that Polish men make jokes about “tania Tanya”.  The Polish border guards at the crossing to Kaliningrad are reported to not permit Polish men to cross without showing they have brought condoms.

  I see v.little Christian-like 'tolerance' in sweeping aside the makeup of the Supreme Court, anti-immigration and attempts to disallow a raped women to be forbidden an abortion ....
'I am an Ulster PROTESTANT and quite happy to have the shops closed on Sundays )

Plainly he is not a Catholic who understands that his idea of “tolerance” does not match the doctrine of the Church that abortion is not morally justifiable in cases of rape, since the child is innocent of the crime.  Even when the mother's life is danger from the pregnancy the church has been slow to recognize a mother's right to “self-defense”.  Poland's present government has been very committed to following the doctrine of the Catholic church and the Pope, not Ulster Protestants.

Incorrect - the Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pactpact  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pactpact)initially split the West Nazi / and East ( Communism ) and Poles found themselves being expected to know German / Russian ....  followed by Russian   

Initially?  Really? Then why did the Soviets only return Przemyśl and a very small area of what they took around Białystok and Suwalki out of  a territory that was over 50% of the land of The Second Polish Republic?   A typical ignorant post that ignores that WWII began to remove an independent Polish state from the map and ended without its proper restoration due to treacherous “allies”.  Since  September 1st, 1939 Poland until the last Soviet troops left on September 18, 1993, Poland had been under continuous occupation by one or both of these two allies.  That is a period of over 54 years.   

Where IS Warsaw located in Poland  - there was me thinking it was in the far east - near the Belarus frontier .......?

Traditionally, Warsaw is considered to be in central to Western Poland.  The Wilno/Vilnius area,  Belarus (of yore Lithuania) and (what is now called) Western Ukraine comprise what was the Polish kresy in the East.  The people of this area were much less Catholic, and more Orthodox.  One of its traditions was mixed marriages with the agreement that sons took the religion of the fathers and daughters took that of the mothers.  (In this way, God cold be said to have chosen the child's faith.)  So, even in the FSU, there remained some Polish culture, even if it was driven underground or its people deported to Siberia and Kazakhstan. 

Why DO N.Americans suggest the 'fanny' us at the 'rear' of a lady ?

Why do modern Brits and their Northern Irish countrymen lack a command of the English Language?  “us at the 'rear'"?  Why are you at the rear?  Sounds like an admission of being quite a dupa!
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 09:07:44 AM
It's just very curious if Russia has become more religious and pious as msmob asserts
why then isn't virginity so prized and left for marriage as Orthodoxy preaches? 
Despite all of his snark here, he sadly begs that question.

You will find it difficult to find a virgin for marriage. They have them in places like Georgia for
example but to marry one you will have to move to their country, learn the language, join
their church attend 3 hours every Sunday, fast nearly a hundred days per year. Then you
have to get to know a family and only then you can pursue on of their daughters.

What happens if you do all of that and marry her and find out that she doesn't like sex all
that much and she also wants to abstain during the 100 fast days? 

I went to Georgia to meet a girl from Kutaisi in Tblisi, but I didn't go because she was a
virgin, I went because I really, really liked her. It didn't work out.

I would examine what your goals are and if this is really super important for you.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 09:14:25 AM
As most of you guys know I went to Krakow in Poland last Summer and found exactly as Strider describes. Women there are very conservative so far as dating is concerned and a very tough nut to crack in terms of street pick up. Most women there will not even meet the eyes of a passer by particularly as he draws near but instead averts her eyes away, Ukrainian girls are quite the opposite, they 'love' to be oggled and have eye contact.

I walked around the hypermarket (Carrefour - the french chain I believe) in Krakow in the big new huge shopping mall built right alongside the train station in Krakow. A couple of guys in there in there mid forties or so I guess were trying to chat up a Polish women they had fronted up in the shupermarket (I say fronted up as again while shopping Polish women tend to avoid eye contact looking only at the produce, away or even towards the ground). They were putting the effort in and she was stood there being friendly enough going along with it until it became apparent why they were chatting to her was not really about the produce query as it seemed to be as far as I could make out but because one of them wanted to get to know her. Soon after that became apparent the woman and her friend tailed things off and took there leave. The guys were easy going enough about it all they were just going through the pick up routine but for Polish women they are a tough get. I lingered around looking at various produce in the backround as descretely and non-obviously as possible as if trying to decide what to buy while this was all happening as it looked an interesting learning opposrtunity as I wasn't finding it easy to get anywhere or even gain recogintion from Polish women.

It must be said though that young Polish women have great bods :D All are slender, a fattie is very hard to find, those that wear were basically American tourist girls, they dressed completely different. Polish women dress femninine in tight dresses to show off there fifgure but dresses that cover all, very few can be seen with boobs hanging out, unlike Ukrainain girls. American girls tend to dress scruffyish, t-shirt & jeans, almost always overweight so can be easily identified from their Polish counterparts. Not many Brits appear to go to rakow anymore, it mooks like the Stag & hen do stuff has moved on thankfully but no doubt the damage has been done. I would say more likely to come across a British guy there than a British girl.

Generally, I've no doubt that Polish girls can be great once in a relationship with them. Most though move in family and close friends cirlces and then of course is the catholic influence as Strider mentions of social conservatism, the orthodox faith doesn't reallt seem to extoll the same social conservatism to the extent the catholic faith does. Now I used to sit nest to a catholic girl in Further Education college while doing my A-levels. Now sehe wasn't as socially conservative as these Polish girls but putting it around was not a goer for her and how a girl is regarded seems to be a factor in their lives, its kind of a gossip culture with tabboos, should a girl break them and it becomes known then she is dissed behind her back and gets a bad name. Not to say that this girl I sat next to wouldn't get a bit horny with a guy of course she would but she would in most cases be careful as to not go around putting it about everywhere making it public knowledge.

So yea, if you wish to get with a Polish girl its probably no doubt easiest to try and make contact over the internet first or any connections you might be able to make perhaps with polish guys and do it that way, on the street it is just a hard task.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
Most though move in family and close friends cirlces and then of course is the catholic influence as Strider mentions of social conservatism, the orthodox faith doesn't reallt seem to extoll the same social conservatism to the extent the catholic faith does.


You base this on what?  Your vast knowledge of Orthodoxy?


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Maxx2 on February 07, 2019, 09:35:45 AM
You will find it difficult to find a virgin for marriage. They have them in places like Georgia for
example
but to marry one you will have to move to their country, learn the language, join
their church attend 3 hours every Sunday, fast nearly a hundred days per year. Then you
have to get to know a family and only then you can pursue on of their daughters.

What happens if you do all of that and marry her and find out that she doesn't like sex all
that much and she also wants to abstain during the 100 fast days? 

I went to Georgia to meet a girl from Kutaisi in Tblisi, but I didn't go because she was a
virgin, I went because I really, really liked her. It didn't work out.

I would examine what your goals are and if this is really super important for you.


Don't forget about the chaperones or the family patroni you have to get past.


It is kind of like this


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7873/32076613887_15c2620e3b.jpg)


Cameraguy asked me to do a post on this. I'll get around to it soon.


Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 09:41:20 AM

You base this on what?  Your vast knowledge of Orthodoxy?

[Insert favorite laughing GIF Here]

To Trench, you try to attribute singular traits to huge populations of people.

There are Orthodox girls who are very serious about their religion in every country
in the world and their are girls who are NOT serious about their religion in every
country in the world.

You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 10:06:56 AM
[Insert favorite laughing GIF Here]

To Trench, you try to attribute singular traits to huge populations of people.

There are Orthodox girls who are very serious about their religion in every country
in the world and their are girls who are NOT serious about their religion in every
country in the world.

You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.

I never really intend for it to mean for all girls/people, of course it is a generalisation. In the instance of what I saw in Poland it was the case that most Polish girls avoid eye contact, only one Polish girl that passed me by didn't, a train guard and no I mean other than doing her job, lol.

In Ukraine again a gernalisation but far, far more girls made eye contact readily, eye contact avoidance was slim to none there.

So fotr sure I'm talking in general what I see/percieve as what seems to be common for most girls/people. I'm not sure why anyone would take it as anything other than that. You yourself hasve advance that girls in Georgia are very difficult to get with because of the religious and family set up out there, but again a generalisation for most girls.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 10:24:13 AM
What a total load of rubbish.   What women say and what they do are 2 different things.   30 year old polish virgins .. maybe in my grandfather's day.....polish girls often are the same as Belarus  and Ukraine  .  They have just learned to be more wary due to a greater exposure to western men who often speak with forked tounge.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 10:29:59 AM
Polish women are not virgins but they are harder to get into a relationship with and they want to wear the trousers in the relationship more than Ukrainians.   Belarussians are half way in between.   Yes this a generalisation based on my observations and not statistically  viable.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Maxx2 on February 07, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
[Insert favorite laughing GIF Here]

You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.


You almost can with Georgian women.  :D   I was told by a Georgian virgin woman that finding a Georgian woman in her forties that was still a virgin wouldn't be difficult. I was also advised by a Georgian man I should look for a Georgian virgin to marry. He did. Imagine sitting at a picnic table outside my apartment and being told by a man half my age that I should get a Georgian virgin? He thought it strange that I wouldn't make that a requirement.


There are two things that I have been told to never, never make fun of in Georgia, their food and their Georgian Orthodox faith. Georgian men are crazy about Slavic women. But there is great pressure on them not to marry one. To sleep with one, of course, but not marry. The reason I was told is non-Georgian women would not raise Georgian Orthodox children.   
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 10:33:50 AM
Trench totally agree.  What I love about Ukraine hot girls making prolonged eye contact in a friendly way.  In the UK that kind of eye contact means the girl is about to pour a drink over you .
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 10:38:49 AM
Who in the western world wants an old virgin.  Far better a woman who's tried it likes it and is still coming back for more 15 years later
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: ML on February 07, 2019, 10:49:10 AM
I wouldn't touch a virgin with a ten foot pole.

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 07, 2019, 10:54:50 AM
[Insert favorite laughing GIF Here]
To Trench, you try to attribute singular traits to huge populations of people.
There are Orthodox girls who are very serious about their religion in every country
in the world and their are girls who are NOT serious about their religion in every
country in the world.
You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.

No, but it is completely appropriate to describe differences in social mores across cultures and national boundaries.  I have almost 20 years experience traveling in the FSU and then in Poland.  What I have seen is that closer geographically and culturally places in the FSU are to Poland, the more conservative the society and its women.  Western Ukraine is more conservative than Kiev and Eastern Ukraine.  Catholic Lithuania is more conservative than the more Russian and Orthodox Latvia.  I never stayed at a hotel in Poland and had hookers propositioning me in the elevators or calling me in the middle of the night on the phone like I experienced in the FSU. 

It must be said though that young Polish women have great bods :D All are slender, a fattie is very hard to find, those that wear were basically American tourist girls, they dressed completely different. Polish women dress femninine in tight dresses to show off there fifgure but dresses that cover all, very few can be seen with boobs hanging out, unlike Ukrainain girls. American girls tend to dress scruffyish, t-shirt & jeans, almost always overweight so can be easily identified from their Polish counterparts.

While not usually overweight, Polish girls tend to have a particular build.  They tend to be wider in the hips with a flat Polish dupa.  Some find it attractive, but others not.  Facially, they tend to look very Slavic, etc.

You will find it difficult to find a virgin for marriage.

The point that I was making is that FSU girls have found that selling their virginity online is very profitable.  Some do it more than once.  I find it humorous that some wealthy guys are paying extreme sums of money for "recycled virgins".  Modern science is truly amazing!

What a total load of rubbish.   What women say and what they do are 2 different things.   30 year old polish virgins .. maybe in my grandfather's day.....polish girls often are the same as Belarus  and Ukraine  .  They have just learned to be more wary due to a greater exposure to western men who often speak with forked tounge.

They aren't marrying the girls in the village off at 15 like they once did.  I have noticed that women who have been conditioned by society that they should have a career realize that their biological clocks are running out of time when they hit 30.  Suddenly, they become interested in marriage and starting a family.  While it isn't necessarily common, it is possible that some remained virgins.  (What is left to prove it may be a different matter...)  Polish women are certainly more conservative than Russian women.  Others in the FSU may be in between, depending on their cultural blend relative to Poland and Russia.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 07, 2019, 11:04:45 AM
Well it started out in a thread about Georgian women, where like Turkey, virginity is prized.  I remember a story I heard about the Greek community in North America 25 years about a young woman who was humiliated at her bridal shower for not being a virgin for her fiancé.  The tradition was that they put a white sheet on a bed and guests left money for the bride.  In her case, they put a black sheet on the bed and no one left any money.  The Greek girls had a reputation for doing everything but vaginal intercourse to remain, technically, virgins until marriage.

1/ I've lived in Cyprus  on and off for over  a decade and roared with laughter on reading the above ..You and BeeFarmer are twins ?

2/ Given many women do not have hymens or they tear naturally - one seriously has to wonder at the lengths some families go to re 'honour' - esp to husbands who may well up shagging other women....

It's just very curious if Russia has become more religious and pious as msmob asserts why then isn't virginity so prized and left for marriage as Orthodoxy preaches?  Despite all of his snark here, he sadly begs that question.

The clue was in PIOUS ?......

The FSU girls have quite a reputation in Poland.  I do know that Polish men make jokes about “tania Tanya”.  The Polish border guards at the crossing to Kaliningrad are reported to not permit Polish men to cross without showing they have brought condoms.

'Ri-ight;'... you DO know that there's no love lost between Poles and Russians ? ....'Reported' ?  )))))   There is NO way an EU citizen can be prevented from leaving EU territory because of lack of condoms ... WHERE are you reading this SHYTE ?  :ROFL:

Plainly he is not a Catholic who understands that his idea of “tolerance” does not match the doctrine of the Church that abortion is not morally justifiable in cases of rape, since the child is innocent of the crime.  Even when the mother's life is danger from the pregnancy the church has been slow to recognize a mother's right to “self-defense”.

Plainly, someone doesn't realise that in progressive 'Catholic' ( Big C ) nations ( Ireland) that the mother should have rights to abort a child of a criminal act ...and rightly so

This next sentence has also got me rolling about in laughter given that N.Ireland - a maj. PROTESTANT part of the UK is STILL in the dark ages while the Republic has woken up ..... 

Poland's present government has been very committed to following the doctrine of the Catholic church and the Pope, not Ulster Protestants.

ALL, you've proving is that you read some wacko stuff - rather than going to all the places you talk about



Initially?  Really? Then why did the Soviets only return Przemyśl and a very small area of what they took around Białystok and Suwalki out of  a territory that was over 50% of the land of The Second Polish Republic?   A typical ignorant post that ignores that WWII began to remove an independent Polish state from the map and ended without its proper restoration due to treacherous “allies”.  Since  September 1st, 1939 Poland until the last Soviet troops left on September 18, 1993, Poland had been under continuous occupation by one or both of these two allies.  That is a period of over 54 years.   

Better you do some research on your 'internet opponent' - rather than - once more - demonstrating who is the ignorant one ..... I have stated many times on here ( and elsewhere)  that the allies ... particularly the UK and France LOST WWII - as I thought we entered the war as Germany failed to withdraw from Poland and 'we' have a treaty to 'protect her integrity '....

*I* pointed out that both Poland and Russia in various forms - had taken / occupied huge swathes of each others' territory over 600 years- with Poland 'disappearing' completely ....


There now follows a pathetic 'excuse' for Warsaw 'not being in the east' of the nation - which you claimed was 'more Conservative'


Traditionally, Warsaw is considered to be in central to Western Poland.

In the real world - we refer to nation boundaries as they exist in the present .... 



The Wilno/Vilnius area,  Belarus (of yore Lithuania) and (what is now called) Western Ukraine comprise what was the Polish kresy in the East.  .....

'Thanks' for the 'history lesson' - to cover up your howler .....


Why do modern Brits and their Northern Irish countrymen lack a command of the English Language?  “us at the 'rear'"?  Why are you at the rear?  Sounds like an admission of being quite a dupa!

I know a verb from a noun - unlike you .... 'to google' ? ;)

I was using voice recognition to 'type' and missed the interpretation of 'us' for AS' .... my apologies ....

"Why DO N.Americans suggest the 'fanny' AS ( being)  at the 'rear' of a lady ? "



Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 07, 2019, 11:10:04 AM
As most of you guys know I went to Krakow in Poland last Summer and found exactly as Strider describes.



Why wouldn't we be surprised - you both post bollox 'theories and conclusions, therein ...? ;)

Trench thinks women who aren't interested in him are 'conservative' ? )

There are c.500k Polish females in the UK and Trench thinks UK women are too entitled and cannot GET a date with a Polish lass anywhere ....
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 11:14:14 AM
I love it in airports 40 year old American men refering to their fanny packs
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 11:20:24 AM
Polish women are not virgins but they are harder to get into a relationship with and they want to wear the trousers in the relationship more than Ukrainians.   Belarussians are half way in between.   Yes this a generalisation based on my observations and not statistically  viable.

Yeah its funny I see Belarussian girls as half way between polish girls and ukrianian girls also. Polish girls are no doubt good if you can get with them its just getting with them. Ukrainian girls are a lot of fun but can often be tricky in serious relationships I think. Belarusian girls again while not as hard to break the ice with as Polish girls they tend also to move in family/friend circles though can meet them more readily over the internet.

I'm about to initiate a drive to meet Belarusian girls in April, I've not as much experience of them as Ukrainain girls so it should be interesting and hopefully fullfilling.

I know a previous poster DK was all into whether a girl was a Virgin, its no doubt an interesting prospect but my main area of conern is getting into a serious relationship with a FSW where we are both into each other.

(All the above are generalisations of course ;D)
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 11:25:29 AM


Why wouldn't we be surprised - you both post bollox 'theories and conclusions, therein ...? ;)

Trench thinks women who aren't interested in him are 'conservative' ? )

There are c.500k Polish females in the UK and Trench thinks UK women are too entitled and cannot GET a date with a Polish lass anywhere ....

Mobe, Polish girls in the UK will in most cases date Polish guys. Firstly it is right in front of them and most convienient to do so. Second they came to the UK for economic reasons not social. Third most immediately disregard English guys, to them we are immediately decedant and unworthy and all get tarred in the same brush in their eyes, few of us are catholics for starters, they regarded us as having low morals and only interested in short cusual hook ups for sex and over social values are alien to theirs.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 11:39:04 AM

Don't forget about the chaperones or the family patroni you have to get past.

It is kind of like this

Cameraguy asked me to do a post on this. I'll get around to it soon.

Yes, you will be chaperoned but to even get to that point you have to do nearly
everything that I said.

I will look forward to reading about your perspective

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 11:47:45 AM

The point that I was making is that FSU girls have found that selling their virginity online is very profitable.  Some do it more than once.  I find it humorous that some wealthy guys are paying extreme sums of money for "recycled virgins".  Modern science is truly amazing!

I could be convinced that 1-20 girls in the FSU sell off their virginity each year.
I could also be convinced that 1-20 girls in the FSU kill their parents with ice picks.
I could NOT be convinced that it's more common than that.

I agree that different regions are more conservative (on average) than others.

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 07, 2019, 11:55:10 AM
I am baffled as to why anyone would want to pursue a virgin...
as someone who has “been there, done that”, the idea of tearing some poor 18 yr old girl’s hymen is not at all appealing to me...

on top of that (so to speak) a really beautiful girl is 100% going to have had sex, it’s only natural, especially since the really, really beautiful girls will be constantly “hit on”, so of course once in awhile they’re going to yes to “somebody”, this is more or less guaranteed...
peer pressure and all that assures this by age 18 in Ukraine...

trust me on this when I’m telling you virgin chasers
a beautiful, sexually experienced uninhibited Ukrainian woman is God’s gift to a Western Man
and brother, I know what the hell I’m talkin about
ok...
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 12:21:51 PM
Trench.  You have read too much roosh , .  Jumping out on girls in supermarkets will never work.  Internet spade work .  I've failed to get anywhere with polish women too.  3 of my friends are married to polish women and all the men are under the thumb.  I get fed well at their houses but I don't envy my friends relationships
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Blighty on February 07, 2019, 01:00:23 PM

Trench thinks women who aren't interested in him are 'conservative' ? )
 

Do you agree TC? How are they 'conservative' ?

My wife is a very conservative woman but that does not stop us enjoying life together.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
Have to agree with Krim,  Latvians Belarus and Ukraine like washing their man's bits
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
Do you agree TC? How are they 'conservative' ?

My wife is a very conservative woman but that does not stop us enjoying life together.

Good to see you back Blighty, I mean Polish women/society are socially conservatime as a generality not Ukrainians by any stretch of the imagination as a generality.

By conservative I don't necessarily mean real uptight, rigid, serious, austere, right wing unforgiving types. I'm talking more about a way of upbringing and a way of life. Typically that Polish girls will socialise in their families and family friend connections, kids they went to school with, uni and workplace, etc. While some may hide a more racy side most won't be on a mission to put it around doing so could ruin their chances of their preferred guy, disdain from their family/friend grouping and is not generally the way they are brought up. I've no doubt around Krakow the stag & sex tourist crowd have led them to particularly take a heads down approach whole having to be within the tourist trap and surrounding areas. My impression of the early middle aged guys trying to pick up this girl were that they were of the casual sex tourist variety.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 01:17:54 PM
Trench … Krim has told you get away from the western man sausage  fest and out to some little towns
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 07, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
"Have to agree with Krim,  Latvians Belarus and Ukraine like washing their man's bits"

the STORIES I could tell on THAT subject, but this board is too conservative and would "freak out", too bad...
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 01:20:39 PM
yep they do seem to look closely
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 01:26:49 PM
Have to agree with Krim,  Latvians Belarus and Ukraine like washing their man's bits

:D Sounds great.

I agree with Krim too, FSW are a gift to western men. Watching guys on You Tube doing PUA on FSW on the street and how feminine and easy going they are, a joy to behold :) Reminds me of how lovely it is there for that and takes me out of the reality of life in western society and the depressing state of affairs with women here. After watching beautiful FSW on those vids I feel my mood lifting  :)
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 07, 2019, 01:35:04 PM
"yep they do seem to look closely"

it seems to be a focus of intense curiosity on their part...
I don't know how to explain it, some kinda genitalia fixation...
back in the  90s, in the small villages around kyiv I was stalking,  I was the likely the first WM these women ever saw...
they had NO IDEA how to behave with me, and I had no idea how to behave with them either!
this led to situations leading to what for me would be truly bizarre encounters
I've brought women back to my apartment in kyiv and 10 minutes later they've pulled their jeans and panties off and are flashing me!!!
I can see this happening maybe once in your whole life with some woman who is really CRAZY WILD!!
but this happened to me MULTIPLE TIMES, but ONLY in Ukraine and only in the 90s...
I mean WTF? 
not complaining about the experience at all, I was just astonished whenever it happened
I mean normally it takes 4-5 hours to get to this point, not 10 minutes...
and no, it wasn't the alpaca blanket, I didn't put that on the sofa until later on...





Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 01:59:02 PM
Trench I've dated 2 Ukrainians and I'm off as soon as possible to meet another.  I would say all 3 are the most entertaining people I've ever met.  Fit bodies nice faces but could probably stand in front of an audience and have them all laughing.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 02:17:34 PM
Trench I've dated 2 Ukrainians and I'm off as soon as possible to meet another.  I would say all 3 are the most entertaining people I've ever met.  Fit bodies nice faces but could probably stand in front of an audience and have them all laughing.

They are, but it's getting one that doesnt mess you around I find. There no doubt out there, I find many have a happy go lucky aspect about them which I like but in some ways their carefree attitude seems to mean they tend to float around without much attachment to anyone I wonder.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 02:54:15 PM
:D Sounds great.

I agree with Krim too, FSW are a gift to western men. Watching guys on You Tube doing PUA on FSW on the street and how feminine and easy going they are, a joy to behold :) Reminds me of how lovely it is there for that and takes me out of the reality of life in western society and the depressing state of affairs with women here. After watching beautiful FSW on those vids I feel my mood lifting  :)

 :ROFL:


When I lived in Ukraine, I read a great deal.  The better half is a great lover of poetry, far more so than am I.  He had a book of poems, translated from English, of poets of Northern England.  Most of the poetry was not great (but then, poetry loses something in translation), but two poems stood out.  One was about a janitor, toiling away and saving all year, so that he could vacation in Greece, where, with British pounds, he was a "god" - everyone danced around him at the hotel, in restaurants, and shops, women flocked to him.  Then, he went home to his ordinary life to toil and save for another year to take another Greek vacation.

You, and the "PUAs" are foreigners.  That is why women show you attention in Ukraine.  In the UK, you are just an ordinary bloke so women pay you no mind.  Were you famous, or conspicuously wealthy, you'd garner the same attention in the UK from British women as the UW are giving you.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 07, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
Mobe, Polish girls in the UK will in most cases date Polish guys. Firstly it is right in front of them and most convienient to do so. Second they came to the UK for economic reasons not social. Third most immediately disregard English guys, to them we are immediately decedant and unworthy and all get tarred in the same brush in their eyes, few of us are catholics for starters, they regarded us as having low morals and only interested in short cusual hook ups for sex and over social values are alien to theirs.

Another 'Trench experience' I've not found to be the case in the UK  :cluebat:

1/ I've known a fair few guys dating ( and marrying ) Polish lasses

2/ YOU might be deemed 'unworthy' , matey .... NOT my or their experience .... with ladies in general ...

Do you realise you are the most entertaining poster on here ?

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 07, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
"You, and the "PUAs" are foreigners.  That is why women show you attention in Ukraine.  In the UK, you are just an ordinary bloke so women pay you no mind.  Were you famous, or conspicuously wealthy, you'd garner the same attention in the UK from British women as the UW are giving you.


YES!!!  BO!!!  YES!!!  and it's just freaking WONDERFUL isn't it, I mean if you were me, wouldn't you think so?
but combine being a foreigner with being at a man's chronological sexual peak of attractiveness (age 40)
and being a tall ANGLO with brown blondish hair, blue eyes AND being conspicuously wealthy, intelligent, adventurous
and the women in Kyiv just peeled their clothes off for me (literally)...
 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 04:00:33 PM
For anyone suggesting FSUW are, overall, conservative, I defy you to attend a dozen village weddings or sit in a village movie theater, and come back with that same opinion.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 04:01:40 PM
"You, and the "PUAs" are foreigners.  That is why women show you attention in Ukraine.  In the UK, you are just an ordinary bloke so women pay you no mind.  Were you famous, or conspicuously wealthy, you'd garner the same attention in the UK from British women as the UW are giving you.


YES!!!  BO!!!  YES!!!  and it's just freakin wonderful!!!!!!!


Not really my point.  It's the delusion of thinking somehow, something is different.  It's not.  The same archetypes exist in all societies.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 04:01:55 PM
Another 'Trench experience' I've not found to be the case in the UK  :cluebat:

1/ I've known a fair few guys dating ( and marrying ) Polish lasses

2/ YOU might be deemed 'unworthy' , matey .... NOT my or their experience .... with ladies in general ...

Do you realise you are the most entertaining poster on here ?

That is not my intention, it's merely to learn and impart my experiences and learning where it looks like it may be of use to others.

I think for some people, people from other countries are a more better fit, for me FSW are a much better fit than UK girls which I just don't get. Polish girls similarly don't fit too well with me.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 04:04:42 PM
You  have very limited experience with UW, so I wonder why you believe the "fit" is better. 


I suggest to you that your perception of "fit' is that they are willing to speak to you/date you.  That's hardly a reason for a "fit".  It's also why others here have suggested you date locally before "taking the plunge". 


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 04:16:54 PM
Boethius what knowledge of English women do you base your comments on.  Fact most British women are not worth dating.  Fact many Belarus and Ukranian women are well worth dating.  I'm old school I can charm women in the FSU in the UK they want a metrosexual comedian.  I just fit in.  I don't buy my way into situations, I don't dress any way special I just start with a sapiosexual relationship and move on from there .  Works a treat.  In UK all you get is loads of trouble and attitude.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 07, 2019, 04:27:19 PM
when I was a teen, I had some summer romances in Hereford when I spent a few summers there with my aunt's family
beautiful graceful sweet girls with lyrical voices...
but I also noticed the "genital curiosity" issue with them as well!
do women think that foreign men will have bigger pee pees or something?
it seems like they REALLY want to "check out our packages" for some reason because we're a foreign guy, I just don't understand why?
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 04:31:40 PM
You  have very limited experience with UW, so I wonder why you believe the "fit" is better. 


I suggest to you that your perception of "fit' is that they are willing to speak to you/date you.  That's hardly a reason for a "fit".  It's also why others here have suggested you date locally before "taking the plunge". 


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Yes one of the reasons is that they will speak to me/date me. In the west tge dating situation is real bad for guys. For example take this article of women at speed dating:

http://www.elitedaily.com/dating/speed-dating-never-again/1251946

I have been speed dating four times and like most blokes there get a big fat zero from these snooty bitchy women. Sure most like the girl in the article are nice to your face but that is tge bad attitude they go there with, they'very already decided from the get go before even meeting the men that they are all unworthy. Yet still they feel the need to character assasinate every guy over any minor issue they can find from both breathing to mere existence.

So despite being single themselves they would rather go home still single after the event not wishing to meet again any of the twenty guys that made an effort and expense to turn up and do their best. They would rather live what is likely to turn out to be an increasingly sad and lonely single life than get with one of those guys in what could easily turn out to be a warm and happy family life.

That is how western women are like, the difference is like night & day compared with FSW.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
Boethius what knowledge of English women do you base your comments on.  Fact most British women are not worth dating.  Fact many Belarus and Ukranian women are well worth dating.  I'm old school I can charm women in the FSU in the UK they want a metrosexual comedian. I just fit in.  I don't buy my way into situations, I don't dress any way special I just start with a sapiosexual relationship and move on from there .  Works a treat.  In UK all you get is loads of trouble and attitude.

That's so true James for some reason there is some strange compulsion that we must 'make them laugh' or we are not worthy. I'm like why should I feel compelled to be a comedian, it's ridiculous and quite frankly bewildering as to this strange expectation they have of us to do comedy from the get go.

Like the speed dating article shows western women just have a bad attitude, there just often a complete dead end as dating goes through their choice than any other.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 05:10:11 PM
Boethius what knowledge of English women do you base your comments on.  Fact most British women are not worth dating.  Fact many Belarus and Ukranian women are well worth dating.  I'm old school I can charm women in the FSU in the UK they want a metrosexual comedian.  I just fit in.  I don't buy my way into situations, I don't dress any way special I just start with a sapiosexual relationship and move on from there .  Works a treat.  In UK all you get is loads of trouble and attitude.


Most British men date and marry British women, so I suspect your assertion is hyperbole.


I suspect you would fit in less in the FSU if you didn't hold a UK passport - not intended as a knock on you.  It's just the way it is.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 05:21:44 PM
Yes one of the reasons is that they will speak to me/date me. In the west tge dating situation is real bad for guys. For example take this article of women at speed dating:

http://www.elitedaily.com/dating/speed-dating-never-again/1251946 (http://www.elitedaily.com/dating/speed-dating-never-again/1251946)

I have been speed dating four times and like most blokes there get a big fat zero from these snooty bitchy women. Sure most like the girl in the article are nice to your face but that is tge bad attitude they go there with, they'very already decided from the get go before even meeting the men that they are all unworthy. Yet still they feel the need to character assasinate every guy over any minor issue they can find from both breathing to mere existence.

So despite being single themselves they would rather go home still single after the event not wishing to meet again any of the twenty guys that made an effort and expense to turn up and do their best. They would rather live what is likely to turn out to be an increasingly sad and lonely single life than get with one of those guys in what could easily turn out to be a warm and happy family life.

That is how western women are like, the difference is like night & day compared with FSW.

Hmm, well, I have two sons, neither of whom has any trouble attracting girls.  I have a lot of male cousins, all but one married to WW.  One is single, he is in his forties, has zero problem attracting women, but decided he doesn't want to marry.  His current lady, who he's been with for about six years, has never married, though she has two children from a common law relationship.  Her daughter is an adult, my cousin is a father figure to her son.  They don't live together (his choice).

If all you find is "snooty b##ches", you should be looking at what, in you, attracts that.  I suspect they are the exception, rather than the rule.  Personally, I think you are making excuses for your own inadequacies with local women.  There is nothing wrong with branching out, but in the end, you are who you are, no matter who you are with.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 05:27:51 PM
That's so true James for some reason there is some strange compulsion that we must 'make them laugh' or we are not worthy. I'm like why should I feel compelled to be a comedian, it's ridiculous and quite frankly bewildering as to this strange expectation they have of us to do comedy from the get go.

Like the speed dating article shows western women just have a bad attitude, there just often a complete dead end as dating goes through their choice than any other.


Thinking logically, I suspect speed dating works for extroverts, and not so much for introverts.   It's also really a  "numbers" game. 


Almost all women are attracted to men who make them laugh.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 05:30:24 PM
No boethius I out class the women's former husbands in that I'm useful around the house with building skills.  I'm the perfect gentleman on the streets and sir between the sheets.  I drive well and am very aware of my surroundings.   Plus I will never let a woman work alone so if she's working around the house so am I.  I hear plenty of stories of fsu men coming home from work and just sitting watching tv .  I'd rather spend time with my woman gym or garden. I keep life fun sexual and romantic and if that's  not the woman's ideal then were not a match.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 07, 2019, 05:34:16 PM
I know a lot of FSUM, most of them married, and they are very involved in family life.  They do not sit at home watching television.   


I've known a lot of FSUW who were divorced, and in every case of divorce I know of, the man was an alcoholic.   In a couple of cases, the woman was an alcoholic, and in a few cases, the woman divorced the man when he was no longer useful to her.



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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 05:35:26 PM
I went to a speed dating event in Cheltenham met one nice woman and walked her back to her car but the rest of the people in the room really were social miss fits.  Internet dating is far better.  Many people treat speed dating as an alternative to going to the cinema
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2019, 06:05:51 PM
To be honest there was only about one out of the roughly twenty women three of the four times that I went that could be described as distinctly odd. The rest of the women on the surface seemed fine and most were decent enough looking, some even quitw nice looking. The odd fatty and odd past it old hen who had already had kids and normally way passed the age cut off for the event.

Pretty much all the guys were fine, I only notice the odd real odd looking/acting guy on maybe a couple of the times I went. Pretty much all the guys were well turned out including myself ;) I think the main problem for the women other than finding a guy with chemistry was that pretty much all the guys didn't excel in social skills. The only ones that tend to were the baldies but that is a big hang up for women, gingers also apparently. From what I have read up women go there expecting gys who are socially skilled partly as many speed dating events happen in bars partly because that is what they have set their sights on.

All of those socially skilled guy have normally long gone and been snapped up. They certainly don't need to pay £20 and do speed dating any bar, ujo, workplace will come up trumps for them. I think it really is a case of the women getting too hung up on finding the same kind of socially skilled guy and not realising that they would unlikely for in with the in crowd type of guy they are after.

A lot of speed dating events also get it the wrong way around with guys moving around the tables, mine did. It just adds to the girls superiority complex, research had shown girls are less picky at these events if the girls move around the tables.

I generally wouldn't go to another one, their pretty pointless affairs. FSU dating has far more go in it and once you get you're head around it easier to come good in it I think.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: ML on February 07, 2019, 09:47:34 PM
it seems like they REALLY want to "check out our packages" for some reason because we're a foreign guy, I just don't understand why?

Could be some stories going around about foreign men.

I encountered similar when I joined US Navy as a young man.

The 'older' guys told us newbies that the Japanese women had 'equipment' that went sideways (instead of up and down) like their eyes.

We were advised that if we performed oral on them we would get a big neck ache from twisting head left and right to 'fit' properly in the designated space.

I was a total virgin and hadn't even seen much Playboy stuff, so I wasn't at all sure that this wasn't true, even as it seemed untrue to me.

- - - - - -

I remember we also got talks and printed paper info telling that most all of the women had some sort of STD, so we should just abstain.

When I was in first bar and first bar gal came up to me wearing a dress with no back, I made sure to get a good look at her back.  I was relieved to not see any scabs or sores on her back, so I was sure that she was OK.

I was lucky to get through two tours to Far East with dozens of encounters . . . and be STD free after it all.

Some of the gals even took extra time and effort to teach me a thing or two.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 07, 2019, 11:22:47 PM

 Fact most British women are not worth dating.

'Fact'? :ROFL:..

Fact is ..that was yet another of your generalisations and my experience of UK ladies extends to marriage and producing 'UK' females...  one who is engaged to be married to  UK guy and the other in a LTR with a...( shock ) UK guy...   

So...according you you...approx 30 million UK chaps should also be 'finding it hard to find ( and keep) a good woman ?


 Fact many Belarus and Ukranian women are well worth dating.  I'm old school I can charm women in the FSU in the UK they want a metrosexual comedian.  I just fit in.  I don't buy my way into situations, I don't dress any way special I just start with a sapiosexual relationship and move on from there .  Works a treat.  In UK all you get is loads of trouble and attitude.

'Fact'?  :popcorn:

Are you are referring to dating or marriage material ?...   

In your case, you don't seem to have an issue getting a date ( or 'more') .... you find you get cheated on ...

Now, I can't talk, being on my third wife - soon, I hope ....  and my preference has ( recently ) been FSU ladies - but I simply DO NOT recognise your / Trench's ( negative ) experience with UK ladies.... 

Ultimately, we may have chosen unwisely ( badly?)..  but isn't that our fault, too ?

Goodness, I'm so tired of chaps blaming the local women ..... 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 11:52:18 PM
Msmob I have a son of 18 and one of 17 .  I often have 6 boys camped in my sitting room.  I have in no way programmed my kids they just have the life experience which most UK men fail to get by not travelling away from the major cities of countries . Through their own experience they  know to leave the UK princess alone.   
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 07, 2019, 11:57:16 PM
Msmob.  Your 2 daughters male partners.  I bet they have no experience of dating f s u before your daughters.  So those guys chose with out knowing the options.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 08, 2019, 12:11:18 AM
I bet they have no experience of dating f s u before your daughters.  So those guys chose with out knowing the options.


Hmmm, so my better half, who dated more FSUW than have you, chose a WW.  He has told all of our children to "forget about that part of the world".  After our last trip, when he was hit on by women half his age and recognized that for what it was, he's reiterated that what he refers to as homo Sovieticus attitudes have not yet been eradicated.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 08, 2019, 12:28:41 AM
Msmob.  Your 2 daughters male partners.  I bet they have no experience of dating f s u before your daughters.  So those guys chose with out knowing the options.

I expect my father would be in the same boat you describe ..  :ROFL:

Look, James... you - like me - have a preference for FSU W  ...  the only difference is I'm not blaming UK women for that ;)

PS - when I was 17,  I was dating girls - not surrounded by other lads !

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2019, 01:05:07 AM
'Fact'? :ROFL:..

Fact is ..that was yet another of your generalisations and my experience of UK ladies extends to marriage and producing 'UK' females...  one who is engaged to be married to  UK guy and the other in a LTR with a...( shock ) UK guy...   

So...according you you...approx 30 million UK chaps should also be 'finding it hard to find ( and keep) a good woman ?

'Fact'?  :popcorn:

Are you are referring to dating or marriage material ?...   

In your case, you don't seem to have an issue getting a date ( or 'more') .... you find you get cheated on ...

Now, I can't talk, being on my third wife - soon, I hope ....  and my preference has ( recently ) been FSU ladies - but I simply DO NOT recognise your / Trench's ( negative ) experience with UK ladies.... 

Ultimately, we may have chosen unwisely ( badly?)..  but isn't that our fault, too ?

Goodness, I'm so tired of chaps blaming the local women .....

Mobe,  you're talking about the opposite side of the coin. If a guy can get a UK girl without too much trouble it's less fuss for him. However what they may have to put up with can vary. Some can be decent relationships for the guy, the good ones tend to go early. It's still a case of whether the guy finds out if the relationship is good to them long term and to some extent vice versa. After several years together the relationship can become more telling.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2019, 01:47:35 AM
The main thing is I would have chosen to be a girl at birth given the choice if I was born in the west. I curse the day I was born a guy. If I had been born a girl in the west I would have an easy life and certainly no problems dating/finding a guy. I would just be able to sit back and let them rock up and then play eannie, meanie, minie, moe, like most girls do that are even slightly decent looking. Even as a girl with the same personality characteris tics I have as a guy dating would be an everyday event for me and no problem. I would be living a blessed life. Girls in the west don't appreciate how godo they have it and take it for granted as everyday life, for many guys in the west though the dating situation is absolutely horrid.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 08, 2019, 02:07:59 AM
Mobe,  you're talking about the opposite side of the coin. If a guy can get a UK girl without too much trouble it's less fuss for him. However what they may have to put up with can vary. Some can be decent relationships for the guy, the good ones tend to go early. It's still a case of whether the guy finds out if the relationship is good to them long term and to some extent vice versa. After several years together the relationship can become more telling.

Trench - you've not  HAD a LTR to compare ...so this is more of your theorised TWADDLE

'Good ones' can choose unwisely and be back on the market ...   You seem to be seeking a women who haven't been married or had kids - so by your ;logic' - she'd be taken, right  :cluebat:

 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Blighty on February 08, 2019, 02:49:58 AM
Fact most British women are not worth dating. 

You cannot make such general statements! It is all down to the quality of the available women in your local dating pool. The lack of well-educated, feminine and affectionate women led me to look overseas for a partner.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2019, 04:34:52 AM
Trench - you've not  HAD a LTR to compare ...so this is more of your theorised TWADDLE

'Good ones' can choose unwisely and be back on the market ...   You seem to be seeking a women who haven't been married or had kids - so by your ;logic' - she'd be taken, right  :cluebat:

Mobe, you haven't had recent experience dating UK women. Guys that have had recent experience dating UK women all day the same as me and James, etc. We can't all be individually coming to the same conclusion or making it up without there being truth to it. Sure there are probably still some nice girls out there but nearly all of those will be heavily inundated with guys at there door.

The pic you showed of your daughter Mobe, well she looks quite attractive looking and the other daughter of yours most probably is as well. On that basis alone they will have no trouble getting guys particularly in their younger years, early twenties, etc. so easy life.

Girls who are even slightly attractive have to be real horrors in the UK to scare away guys. Most UK guys know they have few options and will put up with a hell of a lot until it becomes impossible and out of their hands.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 08, 2019, 07:03:16 AM
There now follows a pathetic 'excuse' for Warsaw 'not being in the east' of the nation - which you claimed was 'more Conservative'

Well now, just as East and West in Ukraine is defined by the Dnieper River, in Poland the East and West of the country is generally defined by the Vistula River.  The Vistula is generally accepted as the dividing line between “Poland A” and “Poland B”.  Poland A being the more economically developed and industrial West, and Poland B being the less industrial developed and more agricultural and bucolic East:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_A_and_B
Warsaw, like Kiev, straddles the major river that divides the nation, and like Kiev, the oldest part of the city and its cultural heart lies on the West bank of the river that runs through it.  Just as no one considers that Kiev is in Eastern Ukraine, no serious person considers that Warsaw is in Eastern Poland.  For example WP recognizes that it is in “East-Central Poland” rather than in “Eastern Poland”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw#19th_and_20th_centuries
I noted that the ruling Law and Justice Party has its base of support in the East of Poland.  See the Polish Senate results from 2007:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_A_and_B#/media/File:Polish_Senate_election_results_2007.svg
Compare that with the latest results in 2015 that shows Law and Justice expanding its support across the Vistula and into Western Poland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Polish_parliamentary_election#/media/File:Polish_Senate_election_results_2015.svg
Only an idiot or an Internet troll would dispute what I wrote previously.


In the real world - we refer to nation boundaries as they exist in the present .... 

The Polish national anthem recognizes that Poland is defined by its people, not temporary lines drawn on a map for convenience, or imposed by invaders.  Living on the plains of Europe, the Poles have long memories of such things. 

DO know that there's no love lost between Poles and Russians ?

There is no love in Poland for Russia's government, nor for nostalgia about Stalin and the U.S.S.R.  That doesn't mean that they dislike Russian people.  Many Poles who were exiled by Stalin had nothing but kind words for ordinary Russians who helped them survive that ordeal.  Generally, I think ordinary Poles find Ukrainians more distasteful since none of them learned the real history of the region and instead cite fanciful nationalist propaganda as fact and hero-worship ordinary criminals like Bandera and his cronies in the UPA.

'Thanks' for the 'history lesson' - to cover up your howler .....

As my former karate instructor used to say, you should bow when he have received such instruction.

There is NO way an EU citizen can be prevented from leaving EU territory because of lack of condoms

Maybe and maybe not.  Polish border guards have certain powers and log certain information.  There was a famous case in Poland were some African migrant with HIV/AIDS was knowingly "spreading the love around”  freely in Poland.  Polish authorities locked him up indefinitely as a threat to public health.  He tried to ague that his human rights were bening violated in court, but it didn't work.  If they could lock that guy up and throw away the key, I believe that they could deny an exit visa to a car load of “Johns” looking for a good time in Kaliningrad with the tania Tanyas.  If nothing else, the word was out that showing their condoms speeded up their exit.

Plainly, someone doesn't realise that in progressive 'Catholic' ( Big C ) nations ( Ireland) that the mother should have rights to abort a child of a criminal act ...and rightly so

Until the Pope in Rome decides to change things, it remains Catholic dogma with a Big C.  Poland is more Catholic than Ireland at present.  These are the facts.

Better you do some research on your 'internet opponent' - rather than - once more - demonstrating who is the ignorant one ..... I have stated many times on here ( and elsewhere)  that the allies ... particularly the UK and France LOST WWII - as I thought we entered the war as Germany failed to withdraw from Poland and 'we' have a treaty to 'protect her integrity '....

You thought wrong, in large part because WWII is taught incorrectly in Western schools.  Britain and France were not really interested in fighting the Germans.  If they had been the Czechs would have never been abandoned in 1938, and Germany would have never been permitted to rearm itself before that, etc.  Britain and France were colonial powers whose main goal was to prop up their crumbling colonial empires.   They were delaying hoping that other nations would enter the war on their side. Central Europe was sacrificed for that from the start and all through the war for that goal.  In the end, WWII was won with Western arms, mainly from the U.S. and armies of  Slavs unified against a common enemy, who were given no alternative to Stalin when the Poles in exile in London were abandoned by all of their “allies”.

The clue was in PIOUS ?.....

The clue is in CLUELESS.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 08, 2019, 07:33:45 AM
Hmm, well, I have two sons, neither of whom has any trouble attracting girls.

I never had a problem attracting Western girls.  The problem was that they lacked traditional morals, didn't want to get married and have a family when I was younger, were fast to cause problems in different ways, etc.  As I got older, I wasn't interested in Western girls who were over weight, had attitudes, illegitimate children, tattoos, etc.

I have a lot of male cousins, all but one married to WW.  One is single, he is in his forties, has zero problem attracting women, but decided he doesn't want to marry.  His current lady, who he's been with for about six years, has never married, though she has two children from a common law relationship.  Her daughter is an adult, my cousin is a father figure to her son.  They don't live together (his choice).

And your family doesn't think of this woman as a tramp?


Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 08, 2019, 09:20:35 AM
I have never asked family members what they think of the woman, but I'll tell you what I think.  I think the fact she did not marry the father of her children is irrelevant.  She supports her children by working every day.  She is a good mother to her children.

I don't believe in using Taliban type tactics to pigeonhole people.  Matthew 7:1-3.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 08, 2019, 11:10:55 AM
it seems like they REALLY want to "check out our packages" for some reason because
we're a foreign guy, I just don't understand why?

85% of American men are circumcised. It's different from the UK guys.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
I went to a speed dating event in Cheltenham met one nice woman and walked her back to her car but the rest of the people in the room really were social miss fits.  Internet dating is far better.  Many people treat speed dating as an alternative to going to the cinema

I think this is true for the women James they are in a world where men are two a penny in the west. They can afford to go to speed dating silently amuse themselves with the men they meet and not be at all serious about it. They know they can pick a guy from any speed dating event at any time or anywhere else so they are in no rush to get with anyone. Anywhere you get a gender imbalance it doesn't bode well for most of those that are in the oversupply side. I think immigration rules should be changed in this country to give preference to more women entering to even it out :)
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2019, 11:20:31 AM
I know of many stories of Polish ladies remaining virgins until married at age 30.  That is still part of the Catholic culture there.  Conversely, there have been many stories about thousands of Russian girls selling their virginity online to the likes of Arab businessmen, and some more than once after having their hymens restored.  Obviously, saving themselves for marriage is a very quaint, old-fashioned idea.  They have learned they have a marketable commodity.  Despite the reports, I only found one high end escort site in Germany offering this service.   One would think that according to the law of supply and demand, if supply (online) increases, the prices should drop.

Back to the original OP is it a Virgin that you seek Strider? Poland would be a good choice for that on my mind without going to the seemingly impossibleness of getting a Georgian girl as 2tallbill illustrates for us. I think it would be great for you to do a thread on your journey to find a Polish Virgin girl and the way you go about it. It's relatively uncharted territory on here so should provide an interesting alternative from Russian/Ukrainian girls.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 08, 2019, 11:34:34 AM
I think this is true for the women James they are in a world where men are two a penny in the west. They can afford to go to speed dating silently amuse themselves with the men they meet and not be at all serious about it. They know they can pick a guy from any speed dating event at any time or anywhere else so they are in no rush to get with anyone. Anywhere you get a gender imbalance it doesn't bode well for most of those that are in the oversupply side. I think immigration rules should be changed in this country to give preference to more women entering to even it out :)


Were it so easy for women, they wouldn't be resorting to speed dating.  Your misogyny is showing itself again.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 08, 2019, 01:05:36 PM
Generally, I think ordinary Poles find Ukrainians more distasteful since none of them learned the real history of the region and instead cite fanciful nationalist propaganda as fact and hero-worship ordinary criminals like Bandera and his cronies in the UPA.

Interesting.  Given the multiple centuries of history of the region, the various wars and conflicts, the suffering of Ukrainians as well as Poles under Stalin's regime....somehow all Polish people forget all that and view Ukrainians as associated with Bandera.  Huh.

The sentiment I derived was mostly their resentment of the US for handing over Poland to USSR.  In addition to hating the USSR, that is.


Maybe and maybe not.  Polish border guards have certain powers and log certain information.  There was a famous case in Poland were some African migrant with HIV/AIDS was knowingly "spreading the love around”  freely in Poland.  Polish authorities locked him up indefinitely as a threat to public health.  He tried to ague that his human rights were bening violated in court, but it didn't work.  If they could lock that guy up and throw away the key, I believe that they could deny an exit visa to a car load of “Johns” looking for a good time in Kaliningrad with the tania Tanyas.  If nothing else, the word was out that showing their condoms speeded up their exit.

Incarcerating an illegal immigrant is one thing, denying rights of a Polish citizen without cause is another.  Also, you do realize that Polish citizens do not need an exit visa to leave their country, yes?  They do not need a visa at all, to leave.


You thought wrong, in large part because WWII is taught incorrectly in Western schools.  Britain and France were not really interested in fighting the Germans.  If they had been the Czechs would have never been abandoned in 1938, and Germany would have never been permitted to rearm itself before that, etc.  Britain and France were colonial powers whose main goal was to prop up their crumbling colonial empires.   They were delaying hoping that other nations would enter the war on their side. Central Europe was sacrificed for that from the start and all through the war for that goal.  In the end, WWII was won with Western arms, mainly from the U.S. and armies of  Slavs unified against a common enemy, who were given no alternative to Stalin when the Poles in exile in London were abandoned by all of their “allies”.

The clue is in CLUELESS.

Interesting take on history, there.  There are studies and discussions on why Chamberlain and the allies allowed Germany to invade Czechoslovakia - perhaps to appease Hitler, perhaps to buy time to build up military strength for the ever escalating conflict.  Regardless, the invasion of Poland is what officially started WWII, with England and France declaring war against Germany and...wait for it...Russia.  Also a lot of other counties got involved, but those were the biggies.

Armies of Slavs....do you mean the Red Army?  The same army that invaded Poland two weeks after Germany in 1939?  They were opponents from 1939 to 1941, allies from 1941 to 1945, then opponents again.

Why would the exiled Polish people in England turn to Stalin?  He invaded their country.  Didn't they  participated in the Battle of Britain and subsequently on the bombing runs against Germany?  And were they not the Polish Armed forces in the West?

The Polish people were not abandoned by the allies during the war, but they were after the war when Poland was given to the Soviets.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 08, 2019, 02:35:35 PM
Trench you have gone too far.  First jackets.  Now you want a sex change.  Men have it so good.  You want periods, child birth, lactation, being fashionable,  make up,  hair,  high heels,  size 10 lingerie as a valantines gift when you re a 16.  Be my guest
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 08, 2019, 03:13:58 PM
Mobe, you haven't had recent experience dating UK women.


Ah, so in 5.5 years it's all changed ? :cluebat:  You keep forgetting I have 2 daughters ..

Guys that have had recent experience dating UK women all day the same as me and James, etc. We can't all be individually coming to the same conclusion or making it up without there being truth to it. Sure there are probably still some nice girls out there but nearly all of those will be heavily inundated with guys at there door.

The pic you showed of your daughter Mobe, well she looks quite attractive looking and the other daughter of yours most probably is as well. On that basis alone they will have no trouble getting guys particularly in their younger years, early twenties, etc. so easy life.

Girls who are even slightly attractive have to be real horrors in the UK to scare away guys. Most UK guys know they have few options and will put up with a hell of a lot until it becomes impossible and out of their hands.

Trench,

They have perfectly normal boyfriends - not rich parents  - and you are totally clueless with women and James keeps getting cheated on ...hardly 'representative' .... 

I chose to leave my UK  wife - and it wasn't for the usual guff you offer up as 'excuses / reasons' why to avoid UK ladies.....

Particularly in your case ...they are avoiding YOU ...and will continue to do so - until you wise up ...




Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 08, 2019, 03:44:30 PM
I have a group of friends many of whom I met through running hot air balloon events for charity , and university.  9 divorces because the wife played away and 1 because the man played away.   Even my divorce solicitor said 98 percent of divorces are because of affairs and the other 2 per cent didn't get caught
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 08, 2019, 03:46:23 PM
As I tell my sons practice on the British girls marry fsu
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 08, 2019, 04:01:32 PM

Ah, so in 5.5 years it's all changed ? :cluebat:  You keep forgetting I have 2 daughters ..

Trench,

The have perfectly normal boyfriends - not rich parents  - and you are totally clueless with women and James keeps getting cheated on ...hardly 'representative' .... 

I chose to leave my UK  wife - and it wasn't for the usual guff you offer up as 'excuses / reasons' why to avoid UK ladies.....

Particularly in your case ...they are avoiding YOU ...and will continue to do so - until you wise up ...

Mobe, your last marriage was with a FSW and your present relationship is with a FSW.

The fact that you have two daughters makes you biased towards seeing all UK girls as fine enough. They may well be not all UK girls will have major issues but unfortunately many do. You are not seeing your daughters from the rating end only as a father. Now they may well be fine from the dating end but many fathers will be oblivious to how their daughters are from the dating end. The fact that get are in long term relationships early on suggest they are probably not the worst of what you can often get as UK women but believe me there are many not very good UK women out there who loyalty mean nothing to. Given the choice I'm betting (not literally ;D ) that either of your daughters could quickly replace their guys with many other guys out there, ny girls csn but not many guys can do likewise.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 08, 2019, 05:20:16 PM
If you were correct, then the number of married or cohabitating couples would not comprise a majority in the UK - 65%, according to the UK Office of National Statistics.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 08, 2019, 05:31:12 PM
I have a group of friends many of whom I met through running hot air balloon events for charity , and university.  9 divorces because the wife played away and 1 because the man played away.   Even my divorce solicitor said 98 percent of divorces are because of affairs and the other 2 per cent didn't get caught


I don't believe that.  I would believe 50%, but not 90%.  I think some of those men are lying to you.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 09, 2019, 12:28:17 AM
Boethius you seem to trust publications more than people.   Politicians and governments lie more than their populous.   Radical feminism and multi culturalism has happened in the UK.  In UK schoolgirls are taught to compete with boys.  In  f s u girls are encouraged to be loving  and family orientated.   UK no sexy women in adverts and Bill boards in Ukraine plenty.   On tv  no sexy rolls for women Russian tv plenty.  My own wife cheated with almost any man she  came into contact with.  Another friend his wife was meeting truck drivers in lay bys.  Another friend had  daughter and 2 nd daughter was by an affair wife would not do DNA test.  So many other stories I could tell.  But then I dated Ukraine who had been married 15 years divorced 4 years with a 5 year old son who was still in an affair with an English man for 10 years  and left her husband because he was lazy her version.  My version he found out is my guess.  So maybe ukranain women  are just more crafty when playing away.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 12:52:21 AM
I have a group of friends many of whom I met through running hot air balloon events for charity , and university.  9 divorces because the wife played away and 1 because the man played away.   Even my divorce solicitor said 98 percent of divorces are because of affairs and the other 2 per cent didn't get caught

Adultery is a symptom of a failed marriage - if one thinks about it...

The Office of National Statistics :  adultery stated in 14% of divorce petitions 

Divorces increase 2 / 3 years after recessions

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/divorce (http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/divorce)


James - your generalisations are becoming as unbelievable as they are tedious
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 09, 2019, 01:04:31 AM
Msmob you are an annoying old troll.  To divorce for adultery in the UK you have to have a written admission from the 2 parties they then become liable for the divorce fees the innocent spouce pays no nisi costs.  You have to have ballifs  deliver the papers to the people not just their houses.  Your evidence otherwise has to be photographs of penetration with faces showing and with in one year of the act taking place.   So people in UK divorce because of unreasonable behaviour as there is no burden of proof .   Exactly my point statistics being warped.  You knew this msmob and chose to post your bull.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 09, 2019, 01:11:59 AM
Within one year of the spouce becoming aware of the affair .  Otherwise you become deemed to have accepted the affair even in the unlikely event you have the required penetrative photos.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 01:19:20 AM
  Radical feminism and multi culturalism has happened in the UK.  In UK schoolgirls are taught to compete with boys.  In  f s u girls are encouraged to be loving  and family orientated.   UK no sexy women in adverts and Bill boards in Ukraine plenty.   On tv  no sexy rolls for women Russian tv plenty. 

 :ROFL:

Unless your TV has a 'sexy' filter turned on - you are spouting bollox generalisations - AGAIN

1/ After the watershed one can see language and sex scenes on UK V that would have had Mary Whitehouse having seizures ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Whitehouse
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Whitehouse)

2/ Kids are taught (mainly) in co-ed classes that women should be able to achieve equally to men and that ...does that scare you ?


My own wife cheated with almost any man she  came into contact with.  Another friend his wife was meeting truck drivers in lay bys.  Another friend had  daughter and 2 nd daughter was by an affair wife would not do DNA test.  So many other stories I could tell. 


...and I can tell you that you are exaggerating - AGAIN

But then I dated Ukraine who had been married 15 years divorced 4 years with a 5 year old son who was still in an affair with an English man for 10 years  and left her husband because he was lazy her version.  My version he found out is my guess.  So maybe ukranain women  are just more crafty when playing away.

I think you just proved you haven't understood the differences still prevalent in the FSU - where married guys can  'sponsor' a mistress and the wife 'puts up with it' ....
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 01:38:41 AM
Regardless, the invasion of Poland is what officially started WWII, with England [ BRITAIN ] and France declaring war against Germany and...wait for it...Russia.  Also a lot of other counties got involved, but those were the biggies.

I missed the UK ( Britain)  [ 'England' is but a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and N. Ireland ] declaring war on the USSR in 1939


Why would the exiled Polish people in England [ Britain]  turn to Stalin?  He invaded their country.  Didn't they  participated in the Battle of Britain and subsequently on the bombing runs against Germany?  And were they not the Polish Armed forces in the West?

The Polish people were not abandoned by the allies during the war, but they were after the war when Poland was given to the Soviets.

Quite   :(    But our forefathers 'made up for it' in the end

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Resettlement_Act_1947 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Resettlement_Act_1947)
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 02:13:22 AM
"I think you just proved you haven't understood the differences still prevalent in the FSU - where married guys can  'sponsor' a mistress and the wife 'puts up with it' ...."

OR sponsor a mistress and THEN find out your wife is just as turned on by her as you are!
so which one of you will pluck my magic twanger? hmmmm?
it's REALLY tough making those kinds of decisions....

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 09, 2019, 03:13:29 AM
Msmob you 're just a wind up merchant who pedals your opinions and when confronted with facts.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 09, 2019, 03:18:04 AM
Sadly this site does seem to have 2 extremes.   Rose tinted glasses wearing old men or the other end of the scale roost v pick up artists.  With little information for the second wife seeking man who is trying to read a few posts as some guidance.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 03:58:24 AM
awww -  you seem to have some kind of underlying anxiety...
so what ya wanna know, please articulate your questions, let's turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN, horrosho!!!
what kind of Yorkshire puddin do ya all eat over there, hope it's not the box kind, do ya put gravy on top like we do here?

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 04:47:34 AM
Msmob you 're just a wind up merchant who pedals your opinions and when confronted with facts.

Only you could post that - given *I'm* the one posting facts to counter your misleading bollox / generalisations  :rolleyes:
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 09, 2019, 06:33:03 AM
Sadly this site does seem to have 2 extremes.   Rose tinted glasses wearing old men or the other end of the scale roost v pick up artists.  With little information for the second wife seeking man who is trying to read a few posts as some guidance.

In fairness there are quite a few guys on here that are now with theit second wife from the FSU. I think Ukraine is probably not the best place to go if you're serious about finding a second wife. It's basically the playground of the Roosh type of sex tourist, has been for a long time now. I think it's that way as Ukrainian girls and methods of dating are an easy fit for sex tourists. As Krimster describes it can often fall into the category of 'here's a present', 'ok I'll get my knickers off'. Many girls are used to that situation over there from what I read, it's alien to western society but quite usual for them. It's a fun place to go but what with the long established sex tourist and scammer industry makes it harder to find a serious woman and convince her you are serious. Guys have managed to find a wife in Ukraine but it's probably an easier game going to either Belarus or Russia where there tends to be less of both sex tourists and scammers. Best bet in Russia appears to be outside of Moscow & St. Petersburg  since sex tourists will rarely travel to the more far flung parts of Russia. With Belarus opening it's door more sex tourists are likely to show up there but to be honest most will probably still head for Ukraine. Ukrainian girls are well socialised into the sex game dating scene so it's easiest territory for them. Ukrainian girls are a lot of fun but unfortunately it's often a struggle to find a serious one.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 06:42:38 AM
In fairness there are quite a few guys on here that are now with theit second wife from the FSU. I think Ukraine is probably not the best place to go if you're serious about finding a second wife.



Like YOU would know - given your 'successful trips'.....

There's plenty of guys who have married - and are STILL married to UA wives  :cluebat:

The rest of your post is pure nonsense - based on your dubious 'criteria'
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 06:46:54 AM
Sadly this site does seem to have 2 extremes.   Rose tinted glasses wearing old men or the other end of the scale roost v pick up artists.  With little information for the second wife seeking man who is trying to read a few posts as some guidance.

The extremes are you and Trench

One of you finds it hard to get a date - at all and the other one - chooses g/friends / partners / wives that 2-time ...

BOTH of you need to think...WHERE am I going wrong ?

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 09, 2019, 07:34:28 AM
I missed the UK ( Britain)  [ 'England' is but a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and N. Ireland ] declaring war on the USSR in 1939


You are correct.   GB never declared war on the Soviet Union, and vice-versa.  Russia was content with just warring wih Poland and the Ballkan countries, and Finland.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 08:07:58 AM
You are correct.  GB [ Britain / United Kingdom ( GB excludes N.,Ireland - a constituent part of the UK) ]  never declared war on the Soviet Union, and vice-versa.  Russia was content with just warring wih Poland and the Ballkan countries, and Finland.

Interestingly, the USSR declared war on Finland in '41 and grabbed Karelia - at great proportional loss...The Finns allowed the Nazis to traverse their territory to get to Norway and then ( ultimately ) sided with the allies - having to 'give up' more of Karelia as 'war reparations' to the USSR .....
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 09, 2019, 08:31:22 AM


Like YOU would know - given your 'successful trips'.....

There's plenty of guys who have married - and are STILL married to UA wives  :cluebat:

The rest of your post is pure nonsense - based on your dubious 'criteria'

Well saying what I just said got me thinking Mobers. It occurred to me that the Ukrainian Police Girl I met on the train in Lviv last summer might/probably inadvertently have categories me as a sex tourist. She had paid for my bottle of water even though I had offered. Now someone said afterwards that this was because she saw me as a friend and this is probably the case where a girl buys the guy a drink in Ukraine. However, she was definitely eyeing me up for most of the trip. She was a few years older than me, 42 I think it was and of course at that age and me being a foreigner and all the offer to buy a drink (I had even suggested some place outside the station) can only mean one thing - sex & sex tourist. Me asking to connect on social media, etc probably didn't help either. At her age she would have thought herself as only any good to a man for sex and probably didn't take to the idea of just being another sex tourist's quick shag as she probably saw it.

I think a thread on how to date in the FSU while avoiding looking like a sex tourist could be needed here.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 09, 2019, 11:30:47 AM
She was a few years older than me, 42 I think it was and of course at that age

WTF does 'that age' mean ?  'Desperate' ?  )))

At her age she would have thought herself as only any good to a man for sex

 :ROFL:

You really are a clueless IDIOT ...  I know plenty of 40+ FSU ladies who are extremely fussy ...not at all desperate

I think a thread on how to date in the FSU while avoiding looking like a sex tourist could be needed here.

I'm sure it will be more hilarious Trench 'theories' ....
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 09, 2019, 12:40:33 PM
Boethius you seem to trust publications more than people. 
No, but people's perceptions are shaped by their environments and confirmation bias.  There is no need for government to lie about the state of marriage.

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Radical feminism and multi culturalism has happened in the UK.  In UK schoolgirls are taught to compete with boys.  In  f s u girls are encouraged to be loving  and family orientated.
ROFL.  In Soviet times, the concept of national identity was obliterated.  So, when the USSR collapsed, of course expressions of nationalism, which were unnaturally oppressed during Soviet times, reemerged, often, in very ugly ways.  This is not a "plus" of the FSU.

In the FSU, girls are not encouraged in schools to be "loving and family oriented".  As in the West, they tend to be better students, at an early age, than are boys.  However, unlike in the West, the society devalues women to a degree, and the harshness of life is what keeps families closer together.

You have relatively little experience with Ukrainians, and therefore, view them through rose coloured glasses.  I come from Ukrainian diaspora, and lived cheek to jowl with Ukrainians, in Ukraine, for over half a decade.  For every story you can tell me about the "horrors" of UK women, I can respond with three about Ukrainians.

Note - I am not suggesting Ukrainians are "bad", just that the same archetypes exist in every society.  You just don't see it, either because you can't, or won't.
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UK no sexy women in adverts and Bill boards in Ukraine plenty.   On tv  no sexy rolls for women Russian tv plenty. 

That is relatively new in Ukraine.  But I think those "sexy roles" feed into unrealistic stereotypes for simple minded people.

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My own wife cheated with almost any man she  came into contact with.  Another friend his wife was meeting truck drivers in lay bys.  Another friend had  daughter and 2 nd daughter was by an affair wife would not do DNA test.  So many other stories I could tell.  But then I dated Ukraine who had been married 15 years divorced 4 years with a 5 year old son who was still in an affair with an English man for 10 years  and left her husband because he was lazy her version.  My version he found out is my guess.  So maybe ukranain women  are just more crafty when playing away.
As I posted in the past, I could recount almost identical stories in Ukraine.  My grandmother, God rest her soul, used to tell similar stories from her village (usually with the obligatory warning of what we'd call "karma" hitting those women on their deathbeds). 

In my work life here, I have seen a lot of cheating men - not affairs, typically one night, or one week stands - far, far more than women cheating.  These things can't really be hidden, someone observant always knows.  Typically, I learned by accident - I never looked for these things because it's none of my business. 

What I see with UW, overall, is they will stay with a foreign man provided he can support them.  If he runs into financial difficulty, they are gone.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 09, 2019, 12:48:14 PM
In fairness there are quite a few guys on here that are now with theit second wife from the FSU. I think Ukraine is probably not the best place to go if you're serious about finding a second wife. It's basically the playground of the Roosh type of sex tourist, has been for a long time now. I think it's that way as Ukrainian girls and methods of dating are an easy fit for sex tourists. As Krimster describes it can often fall into the category of 'here's a present', 'ok I'll get my knickers off'. Many girls are used to that situation over there from what I read, it's alien to western society but quite usual for them. It's a fun place to go but what with the long established sex tourist and scammer industry makes it harder to find a serious woman and convince her you are serious. Guys have managed to find a wife in Ukraine but it's probably an easier game going to either Belarus or Russia where there tends to be less of both sex tourists and scammers. Best bet in Russia appears to be outside of Moscow & St. Petersburg  since sex tourists will rarely travel to the more far flung parts of Russia. With Belarus opening it's door more sex tourists are likely to show up there but to be honest most will probably still head for Ukraine. Ukrainian girls are well socialised into the sex game dating scene so it's easiest territory for them. Ukrainian girls are a lot of fun but unfortunately it's often a struggle to find a serious one.

One of the reasons my better half finds WM who go to Ukraine disgusting creatures is because he says they prey on economic disparity.  In his words, "They think they are better because they have $1 more in their pocket."  He views it as exploitation by lowlifes.

I believe sometimes, he is too extreme in his perspectives, but he is on to something.  The fact, Trench, that you can't see why UW are "taking off their knickers" tells me a lot. 

There are a lot of serious UW.  They typically are not interested in dating foreign men.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 12:49:25 PM
 "My grandmother, God rest her soul, (GENEFLECTING)"
there...fixed that for you!!!

warning of what we'd call "karma" hitting those women on their deathbeds"


gawd, Russians are EVIL people!
whatz the Russian word for the German word Schadenfreude
it's the ONLY joy Russians ever feel...
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 09, 2019, 12:51:12 PM
Well saying what I just said got me thinking Mobers. It occurred to me that the Ukrainian Police Girl I met on the train in Lviv last summer might/probably inadvertently have categories me as a sex tourist. She had paid for my bottle of water even though I had offered. Now someone said afterwards that this was because she saw me as a friend and this is probably the case where a girl buys the guy a drink in Ukraine. However, she was definitely eyeing me up for most of the trip. She was a few years older than me, 42 I think it was and of course at that age and me being a foreigner and all the offer to buy a drink (I had even suggested some place outside the station) can only mean one thing - sex & sex tourist. Me asking to connect on social media, etc probably didn't help either. At her age she would have thought herself as only any good to a man for sex and probably didn't take to the idea of just being another sex tourist's quick shag as she probably saw it.

I think a thread on how to date in the FSU while avoiding looking like a sex tourist could be needed here.

No, she just interacted with you in a normal way, the same way she would have interacted with a UM old enough to be her father.  Ukrainians are exceptionally hospitable.  For all you know, she could have been married.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 09, 2019, 12:52:01 PM
My grandmother was not Russian.  But, thank you for missing the point.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
"One of the reasons my better half finds WM who go to Ukraine disgusting creatures is because he says they prey on economic disparity.  In his words, "They think they are better because they have $1 more in their pocket."  He views it as exploitation by lowlifes."

what a great "Soviet" thinker your husband is!
to view a social transaction freely entered into by two consenting adults as exploitation
all the animals MUST be equal!
too bad that's not reality, didn't he once live in a place that tried that, how'd it WORK OUT???

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
"My grandmother was not Russian.  But, thank you for missing the point."

I never MISS the point!!!
where ever I shoot, I just draw the bulls-eye around that
it's called WINNING!!!
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 09, 2019, 01:00:35 PM
You show me women who are economically independent bedding, let alone marrying, men who are poverty stricken and ten to thirty years older than are they, and you will have an equivalency.  Until then, you are in denial because you don't want to face some unpleasant truths.

It has nothing to do with equality, and really, how "free" are individuals if they are struggling daily to survive?

Why is there no MOB industry in the Baltic republics?  Why not in the Czech Republic?  Hungary?  All of the foregoing countries have roughly the same societal attitudes toward women as does Ukraine.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 01:08:37 PM
“you show me women who are economically independent bedding, let alone marrying, men who are poverty stricken and ten to thirty years older than are they, and you will have an equivalency.  Until then, you are in denial because you don't want to face some unpleasant truths.”



which truth is that BO?
that Ukrainian women are MUCH more interested in men with money then in men without!!!
who is that truth unpleasant for?
certainly not for me or the men involved!!!!
if women didn't have this preference then men wouldn't use it as leverage, slovo...


there's no equivalency in your meaning , just in the quid pro quo meaning
all social interaction is transactional
western men have more to trade with Ukrainian women than they do with Western women
nothing wrong with them doing what is essentially a sales promotion
haven't you gotten used to living in a capitalist society yet BO???



Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: The Natural on February 09, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
My grandmother was not Russian.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

First, I'm, so happy Google had nothing to do with this filth.....

Thanks, but what was she (the grandmother)? Ukro, Polish, Belarussian, USA'ian, Vietnamesian, south-ossetian, noth korean, Vietnam...no I mentioned that already....what... hehe , just kiddin'


Yeeeessss, out dear poster from Down uiiiinder, I've had a FEW...happy now???? haha, know I am at least...not a nazifan, but otherwise IM all fun and game......so...so long and have a nice day..have a real nice day!

Fort the normal guys (if there's anyone left): Have a jolly good week-end With Your wonderful wife and children and I will see you at golf on Monday.

PS. I can leave a meaningless post just as well as the NeXT guy.

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 09, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
“you show me women who are economically independent bedding, let alone marrying, men who are poverty stricken and ten to thirty years older than are they, and you will have an equivalency.  Until then, you are in denial because you don't want to face some unpleasant truths.”



which truth is that BO?
that Ukrainian women are MUCH more interested in men with money then in men without!!!
who is that truth unpleasant for?
certainly not for me or the men involved!!!!
if women didn't have this preference then men wouldn't use it as leverage, slovo...


there's no equivalency in your meaning , just in the quid pro quo meaning


A majority of women world over are more interested in men with money than men without.  But men with money typically recognize this.  It is only on boards like this that men delude themselves into believing it is not the potential of a life abroad, in a country where life is easier, that makes them attractive.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 01:19:34 PM
"PS. I can leave a meaningless post just as well as the NeXT guy."

no, I think yours are better!!
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
The World According to Bo


"A majority of women world over are more interested in men with money than men without."
"But men with money typically recognize this."
"It is only on boards like this that men delude themselves into believing it is not the potential of a life abroad, in a country where life is easier, that makes them attractive."

No, I think we get this
but there's so much more to it than that
we WM have the "western mystique" and that's a pretty popular 'meme' in Ukraine
being different from Russian men is better than being the same as Russian men
different is perceived as "better" by Ukrainian women
we're just SO MUCH more marketable over there than over here, that's why we're over there!!
especially since the 'product' you get in Ukraine, is "to die for", totally primo!!!!



Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 09, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
It's not the world according to me.  It's the way the world works.

I mean, Summer Redstone's girlfriends over the years were all with him because of his "inherently superior innate qualities", right?

If it makes you feel better to lie to yourself, go ahead. 

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
"I mean, Summer Redstone's girlfriends over the years were all with him because of his "inherently superior innate qualities", right?"

evidentially, the answer is yes
the name Anna Niocole Smith comes to mind as well
a generation or two from now middle-aged Chinese Billionaires will be trolling dilapidated mid western redneck trailer parks
looking for blondes with big boobs, god they're gonna have a lot of fun
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 09, 2019, 02:44:19 PM
“If it makes you feel better to lie to yourself, go ahead.  “

what if it did, would it be so wrong?
actually, what made me ‘feel better’ after the sexual frustration I felt in silicon valley
was seeing a 19 yr old Ukrainian girl with an absolutely perfect body
before I die, I wanna be able to say I lived
for you that may be a stimulating conversation about art or literature
for me, the raw intensity of the experience of encountering the highest level of female erotic beauty in all its glory laying invitingly on my bed with a soft warm look in her eyes
is worth whatever judgment you or anyone else makes about it
the ends justify the means baby!
how deep is my love of feminine beauty?
infinite...
how deep is your love Bo, I really want to know...  :)

I mean if you want to label me hypersexual or something, sure
but exploiter., oppressor, that's soviet thinking maya droozochik
sounds like you drank some of cool-aid while you were living in the robotniki paradise!!!
just remember BO, every ying also has a yang
all opposites form a single whole
when you can snatch the pebble from my hand
then you may leave this place



Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: rwd123 on February 10, 2019, 01:37:01 AM
This is an early contender for dumbest thread of the year.

If J.K. Rowling writes a book Fantastic Slavic Wives and Where to Find Them the likes of James and TC will still think it is a how-to guide even though it is a fantasy novel. There is no saving them from their ignorance.

To Boe's point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Czech Republic - 20,300 USD
Estonia - 19,700 USD
Latvia- 15,500 USD
Lithuania - 16,500 USD
Hungary - 14,200 USD
Ukraine - 2,600 USD

Russia - 10,800 USD
Belarus - 5,700 USD

The commonality of the WM-UW dyad exists because men want honey and women want money. Well, duh! It takes two to tango. Both fantasize for a better life.

BUT - one does not simply walk into Mordor Eastern Europe and find a good woman for marriage. Guys, for your own benefit, drop the delusion that FSUW are better for marriage. It cuts both ways. Some are better, some are much worse. The odds of finding one with your demented views and baggage are low.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: BdHvA on February 10, 2019, 02:31:12 AM
RWD are you implying that TC, James lost in the UK and BeeFarmer are real and serious on there pursuit?

I assumed there presence was to amuse us and annoy Moby.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 10, 2019, 04:21:05 AM
This is an early contender for dumbest thread of the year.

If J.K. Rowling writes a book Fantastic Slavic Wives and Where to Find Them the likes of James and TC will still think it is a how-to guide even though it is a fantasy novel. There is no saving them from their ignorance.

To Boe's point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Czech Republic - 20,300 USD
Estonia - 19,700 USD
Latvia- 15,500 USD
Lithuania - 16,500 USD
Hungary - 14,200 USD
Ukraine - 2,600 USD

Russia - 10,800 USD
Belarus - 5,700 USD

The commonality of the WM-UW dyad exists because men want honey and women want money. Well, duh! It takes two to tango. Both fantasize for a better life.

BUT - one does not simply walk into Mordor Eastern Europe and find a good woman for marriage. Guys, for your own benefit, drop the delusion that FSUW are better for marriage. It cuts both ways. Some are better, some are much worse. The odds of finding one with your demented views and baggage are low.

RWD you have correctly identified the economic differences but are ignoring the cultural ones. You don't fly several thousand miles and find society exactly the same. When I studied American politics & society my lecturer went to great pains to stress that you can't/shouldn't make direct correlation between what happens in UK society and what happens in US society since the two are generally completely different. Even between state to state in the US there is often little comparison never mind between the US and the UK.

Sure the economic strength of foreigners adds to the allure for FSW but there are cultural differences to. I gave the link to the speed dating article above, now do you really think FSW would behave like those women did even local guys out in the FSU? I don't think FSW merely get in feminine mode for when a WM rocks up, they probably amplify it, but I don't think you can turn that on over night. In general they are brought up more feminine than western women, they are competing with other FSW and know it's in their best interests to try to win that competition. In the FSU it's a male dominated society in thd UK we are assailed by articles on the BBC of 'making sure women get equal pay as men', 'zero tolerance to sexual harassment' and 'recognising what sexual consent is' etc, etc. Do you think they have that BS in the FSU? Hell no, they would think it the peculiar uptight rubbish it is.

Men also die of alcoholism in general at a younger age than in the west so by their late twenties & early thirties there are more females than males. Not only that but what girl is going to want to get with a guy in he's late teens/early twenties who is already on the slide, she would be left holding his baby a few years down the track when he has it. I could go on about how differently girls are brought up out there etc, etc. I personally don't know all the ins and outs precisely as I'm not a local but it's obvious that the UK/US are a hell of a lot different society than FSU society.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 10, 2019, 05:57:41 AM
Trench

There are MORE men than ladies in Russia until c.50 - according to 2014 data ...

PL-Ease ... stop posting bollox 'conclusions' based on made up data ...

(http://i3.wp.com/www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/russia-population-pyramid-2014.gif)


Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 10, 2019, 06:02:58 AM
Trench

There are MORE men than ladies in Russia until c.50 - according to 2014 data ...

PL-Ease ... stop posting bollox 'conclusions' based on made up data ...

(http://i3.wp.com/www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/russia-population-pyramid-2014.gif)

Forget the stats Mobe, there are subtleties that don't show up in the stats. Like I say if a girl sees a guy drinking heavily in his late teens she already knows where that one is heading. Most agree that a woman who is not with a guy by her mid twenties has little to no options for her on the table.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 10, 2019, 06:09:31 AM
Forget the stats Mobe..

Hardly - given it proves that - once again - you are CLUELESS


Most agree that a woman who is not with a guy by her mid twenties has little to no options for her on the table.

'Most' - yet here I and not a few other - are proving otherwise ....   The Option ' all or nothing' is something I remember hearing from one lady - who would rather not compromise ...

Now, I realise that this is only my experience ... but it's a great deal more extensive than yours  ;D

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 10, 2019, 06:10:20 AM
Most agree that a woman who is not with a guy by her mid twenties has little to no options for her on the table.

Who is "most"?  Any sources other than websites that want you to sign up and pay to meet these poor, desperate ladies?

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 10, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Can we please get back to the topic of the thread here. Strider wants to find himself a Polish Virgin no doubt because he wants a nice family life with no carry on along the way. Now this I can relate to, back in the summer it was much my premise foe seeking out a Polish woman. For me a whether she was a vithin was not the be all and end all but for some it is and there are good grounds to want one if you are fed up with the play around society we have in much of the world today.

When I was visiting the concentration camps in the summer there were a group of girls from early to mid teens, possibly some even late teens. They were from some catholic religious school. All had hair done in a similar manner, French plat or similar and all were wearing casual attire which fully clothed themselves, long sleeves, tops finishing at the neck, no make up, etc. At no time did any of them look at all racy, they all looked somewhat bookish and grounded. I very much doubt any of them would be much different just a few years on they looked like any mild change would be thought of as radical for them. So I seriously say from what I have seen on Poland a Polish Virgin is very possible and if not a Virgin then a girl who hasn't been had umpteen times. One that is old and stable and as long as you play it decently will stick by you can play the good housewife role. Now I'm not Catholic nor even remotely religious but if there was a Polish girl who was Catholic but only mildly into it then theoretically it could be a goer.

For Strider now comes the hard part of landing himself a Polish Virgin. As I found from my fact finding mission out there you don't just pull one out on the street - that is an almost impossible task. I don't recommend that in the slightest. I definitely would him the internet, any social media sites, sites on Polish women and Polish Culture. I would also ask any Polish guys you might know about the scene. Lastly I would look into any organisations linked to the Catholic Church, religious groups or whatever, particularly of thd social kind and work from there. Educational establishments are a possibility but I think stuff that revoles around Church & Family will most likely see Strider to thd Polish Virgin he seeks.

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 10, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
"When I was visiting the concentration camps in the summer"

worst pickup spot EVER, unless you like anorexia...
but then you don't need ANY money with these girls, a piece of bread will do...
unfortunately, most of them are afraid to take a shower for some reason so they also have hygiene issues
these weren't the highest quality women either
it looks like the guards already rated them and I didn't see any of them get more than 1 gold star
and they all have the same first name on the gold star, looks like "Judy" but it's hard to make out






Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 11, 2019, 03:28:59 AM
Can we please get back to the topic of the thread here.

I thought you had moved the topic to your 'experiences' with Polish 'women' - on reading your last contribution - which was hilarious - if those were truly your 'conclusions'   :cluebat:

There is no way you should be dating - until you sort your 'issues' with understanding women out - every mistake you make is 'their fault' - not yours ..

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Maxx2 on February 11, 2019, 06:54:58 AM
   :cluebat:

There is no way you should be dating - until you sort your 'issues' with understanding women out - every mistake you make is 'their fault' - not yours ..


For me to think that way would good for my mental health.  8)
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 11, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
Forget the stats Mobe, there are subtleties that don't show up in the stats. Like I say if a girl sees a guy drinking heavily in his late teens she already knows where that one is heading. Most agree that a woman who is not with a guy by her mid twenties has little to no options for her on the table.


At young ages, there are just as many women who are drug addicts/heavy drinkers as there are men in the FSU.  So, another "theory" laid to rest.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 12, 2019, 11:10:23 AM
Incarcerating an illegal immigrant is one thing, denying rights of a Polish citizen without cause is another.  Also, you do realize that Polish citizens do not need an exit visa to leave their country, yes?  They do not need a visa at all, to leave.

The immigrant with AIDS/HIV that got locked up was not an illegal immigrant.  He was a threat to public health.  Perhaps the story that I heard was about former SU men.  Since many young Poles went to places like Ireland and the UK to find work, that led to a labor shortage in Poland that was met by bringing in workers from the former Soviet states.  I believe even non-Russians from the CIS could cross into Kaliningrad without a visa for short stays (at least before Putin's adventures in Crimea and the Donbas), and if they wanted to pay for sex and vodka, that would be cheaper there.  So, maybe the story wasn't about Polish men, but Russian, Ukrainians Belarussian, etc. working in Poland. 

That said, Poland is essentially run by an army of bureaucrats that no sane person wants to have annoyed with them.  The Poles got rid of communism, but kept the bureaucracy as it gave the politicians many jobs to reward their friends, etc.  Rights can be difficult to vindicate, especially for the newly arrived who need to get a lawyer, etc.  I don't think that a married Polish man crossing the border as a sex tourist would want the publicity and embarrassment of filing a law suit even if he were to be proved right.

Interesting.  Given the multiple centuries of history of the region, the various wars and conflicts, the suffering of Ukrainians as well as Poles under Stalin's regime....somehow all Polish people forget all that and view Ukrainians as associated with Bandera.  Huh.

“Ukrainian” is a relatively new ethnic endonym which grew largely as a peasant movement from the poorest ethnic Ruthenians, i.e., the people of Kievan Rus.  What was historically the Ukraine, a lawless border region West of the Dnieper, had to be moved westward and people forced into this new ethnicity by fascists like Bandera's UPA and a brutal dictator like Stalin.  Both engaged in crimes against humanity.  The Poles don't forget Stalin at all.  However, they do consider the Ukrainians generally to be ignorant of much of the shared history in the region, (e.g. the Kievan princes Polonized, and there was centuries of intermarriage), and consider reestablishing closer ties unwise.  Basically, the prevailing view that I have encountered from Poles is that Ukrainians are backward, corrupt, etc. and not worth the trouble of engaging beyond having a shared adversary in Putin.  Even then they are cautious with all of the corruption and Russian spies in Ukriane.

The sentiment I derived was mostly their resentment of the US for handing over Poland to USSR.  In addition to hating the USSR, that is.

I have never detected any resentment of the U.S. for the outcome of WWII.  The Poles have been more forgiving of the Germans who started the war than they are of their Soviet allies who took half of the country and occupied the country until 1993.  Near the railway station in Poznan, there is a street named after President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and another city in Western Poland also has a Roosevelt St.  Roosevelt lied to the Polish-American community about his agreements with Stalin, and Polonia still remembers his deceit.  Yet, in Poland there are streets named for the man.  Why I don't know.  President Truman started the Cold War over the lack of free elections in Poland.  If any U.S. President should be so honored there, it is he.

Interesting take on history, there.  There are studies and discussions on why Chamberlain and the allies allowed Germany to invade Czechoslovakia - perhaps to appease Hitler, perhaps to buy time to build up military strength for the ever escalating conflict.  Regardless, the invasion of Poland is what officially started WWII, with England and France declaring war against Germany and...wait for it...Russia.  Also a lot of other counties got involved, but those were the biggies.

Starting with the Locarno Treaties in 1925, Britain and France signaled their desire to trade peace in Western Europe for the borders of Germany's neighbors in Central Europe:
http://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Locarno_treaties.html
Austen Chamberlain, Stanley Baldwin's Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (and older half'-brother of Neville) stated, ”for the Polish Corridor, no British Government ever will or ever can risk the bones of a British grenadier.”  Nothing had changed 14 years later.  The extent of British assistance Poland in 1939, despite its stated promises of support, were limited to dropping propaganda leaflets on German cities and training the Poles how to sabotage German rail lines.  The British viewed Poland and Czechoslovakia as French spheres of influence that they weren't going to trouble themselves with defending, and the USSR as a large market for its colonial empire to trade.  Britain had the world's largest navy at the time, but France was the military power in Europe.  It was France that failed to fight in WWII to defend its Eastern allies.  Consequently, it lost its place in the world and English replaced French as the international language of business, commerce and trade, tourism, aviation, etc.

Britain and France never declared war on the Soviets as others have noted.

Armies of Slavs....do you mean the Red Army?  The same army that invaded Poland two weeks after Germany in 1939?  They were opponents from 1939 to 1941, allies from 1941 to 1945, then opponents again..

No, I mean an army of Slavs as I wrote.  It is rather well known that Soviets formed armies of Poles in their gulags.  Polish Lt. Gen. Władysław Anders led these men and women from the kresy out of the Soviet Union against the wishes of the Polish government in London.  They fought their way through Iran, made their way across Iraq into Palestine, before joining the British army in North Africa and triumphing in the Battle of Monte Cassino.  Despite the fact that Stalin ordered that only ethnic Poles be able to join Gen. Anders' Army, the cemeteries of its dead have crosses of Orthodox and Greek Catholics usually associated with Ruthenians, and Belarussians.  More plainly had wanted to vote with their feet to serve in a Polish army.  One of the interesting points about this army is that its numbers grew after it saw battle.  The original soldiers came from the kresy of Eastern Poland, but they were joined by Slavs from Eastern Germany who were taken as POWs from the German army. 

In addition, the Soviets created a “Polish People's Army” that was separate from the Red Army in the Eastern Front.  (This fact is not well known outside of Poland, as the Soviets concealed it.)  About 200,000 participated in the Battle of Berlin, and the Poles appear to have been the first to arrive at the area of the Reichstag.   It is not disputed that the Polish flag flew over the Victory Column, the Brandenburg Gate, and the Tiergarten Railway station in Berlin:
http://www.outono.net/elentir/2017/05/01/the-red-flag-was-not-the-only-one-in-berlin-in-1945-what-the-soviet-propaganda-concealed/
This photo is claimed to be the Polish flag flying over the ruins of the Reichstag, before the Soviets arrived:
http://digitalcommons.buffalostate.edu/wdrzussrgermwwii/23/
Yea, there were armies of Slavs fighting the Nazis, as I wrote.

Why would the exiled Polish people in England turn to Stalin?  He invaded their country.

They didn't.

Didn't they  participated in the Battle of Britain and subsequently on the bombing runs against Germany?  And were they not the Polish Armed forces in the West?

Yes, the Polish squadrons were the best in the Battle of Britain.  Yes, and they weren't permitted to march in the victory parade in London by the Brits.

The Polish people were not abandoned by the allies during the war, but they were after the war when Poland was given to the Soviets.

Right, so the French actually didn't start a major offensive against Western Germany in September 1939 and Warsaw was leveled as the Soviet Army rested idle on the opposite side of the Vistula and Stalin refused to allow U.S. and British planes landing rights on the Soviet side to supply the fighters, but the Polish people were not abandoned by their allies?  That statement is only true if we understand that the U.S., Britain, France, and the Soviet Union were not Poland's allies during the war and they only used the Polish armed forces for their own ends.  Both in Wilno/Vilnius and Lwow, the Polish Home Army was arrested and jailed by the Soviets without any protest from the U.S. and British during the war.  Even in France in 1940, when the French capitulated, they had agreed to turn over Polish soldiers to the Germans.  The Poles were repeatedly abandoned by their “allies” throughout the war. 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 12, 2019, 03:14:00 PM
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“Ukrainian” is a relatively new ethnic endonym which grew largely as a peasant movement from the poorest ethnic Ruthenians, i.e., the people of Kievan Rus.  What was historically the Ukraine, a lawless border region West of the Dnieper, had to be moved westward and people forced into this new ethnicity by fascists like Bandera's UPA and a brutal dictator like Stalin.


"Ukrainians" as a separate ethnic group existed long before Bandera, and the idea of a separate Ukrainian nation has its origins from 1798, with publication of Kotlyarevsky's Eneida.

It was the intellectual elite, not peasants, who coalesced around Ukrainian national identity.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 13, 2019, 10:53:29 AM
"Ukrainians" as a separate ethnic group existed long before Bandera,

Certainly not in Galicia/Red Ruthenia before Bandera.  They were all Ruthenians in the last census of Galicia before WWI, and in the first census of the Second Polish Republic in 1921.

and the idea of a separate Ukrainian nation has its origins from 1798, with publication of Kotlyarevsky's Eneida.

So "the idea of a separate Ukrainian nation" originates from either plagiarism or translation of a Russian author into the Poltava dialect of Ruthenian?  Really?  More likely, "the idea of a separate Ukrainian nation" originates from renaming all of Ruthenia "Ukraine" contrary to previous usage and understanding of the geographic area of the "Ukraina" being the territories near and East of Kiev.  Until WWI the people of that area were known as "Little Russians", not Ukrainians.

It was the intellectual elite, not peasants, who coalesced around Ukrainian national identity.

Some intellectual elites, most notably in Hapsburg Galicia, started the business of renaming Ruthenians "Ukrainians" to divide and conquer the local peasants, but it took WWI and the breakup of the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires for anyone to coalesce around the idea of a separate "Ukrainian" identity.  Mostly, it was a peasant movement in Galicia before WWI, that spread across the border to the Russian part.  I did read somewhere that there where those in Right Bank Ukraine who were actually ethnically Polish, who had embraced the idea of separating from Russia who were associated with the "Ukrainian" movement there before WWI, but no serious person would have considered that possible in a place that completely lacked an industrial base.  What became Ukraine was either going to be part of a Russian dominated Soviet Union, or a restored Polish Commonwealth.  Nothing else was realistically possible.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 13, 2019, 11:07:48 AM
Whatever happened to talk of Polish Virgins?
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: ML on February 13, 2019, 11:11:14 AM
Whatever happened to talk of Polish Virgins?

It is not appropriate to talk about 12 year old girls here.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 13, 2019, 01:43:47 PM
But feel free talking about 20 year old boys.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 13, 2019, 01:58:34 PM
Can we please get back to the topic of the thread here.


Who on Earth wants to marry a virgin??

Let's say the woman is 30 years old. All it tells me is that she spent over half of her
life celibate. Does she actually like sex? Will she want to only have sex once a year
on your birthday?

Will she be creative and active in Bed? Will she want to touch your member with her
__________________ (name any body part here) If she is a virgin she can't even
answer any of these questions. All she knows is what's she's heard about it or watched
on TV, read in a book etc.

Somebody marrying a virgin has to take a HUGE leap of faith that she will like sex and
want to have it anywhere near the frequency that you will like to have it. How do you
know that she won't have a bunch of wierd hang ups about it? Maybe all she knows about
sex is what her cRaZy old aunt told her.

Maybe she only wants to only lay on her back, only while she is ovulating, and only with her
eyes closed tightly and only if you promise to get done with it quickly. Personally I would rather
be with somebody who would jump on the washing machine during the wash cycle and hike up
her skirt having the foresight not to wear panties.

I don't get the attraction, I wouldn't take the risk of going all the way to the altar to find
out if she liked sex three times a day or once a month, believe me too often is just as bad
as not enough.

(http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/C-old-sexual-relations.jpg)
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 13, 2019, 02:30:53 PM

Who on Earth wants to marry a virgin??

Let's say the woman is 30 years old. All it tells me is that she spent over half of her
life celibate. Does she actually like sex? Will she want to only have sex once a year
on your birthday?

Will she be creative and active in Bed? Will she want to touch your member with her
__________________ (name any body part here) If she is a virgin she can't even
answer any of these questions. All she knows is what's she's heard about it or watched
on TV, read in a book etc.

Somebody marrying a virgin has to take a HUGE leap of faith that she will like sex and
want to have it anywhere near the frequency that you will like to have it. How do you
know that she won't have a bunch of wierd hang ups about it? Maybe all she knows about
sex is what her cRaZy old aunt told her.

Maybe she only wants to only lay on her back, only while she is ovulating, and only with her
eyes closed tightly and only if you promise to get done with it quickly. Personally I would rather
be with somebody who would jump on the washing machine during the wash cycle and hike up
her skirt having the foresight not to wear panties.

I don't get the attraction, I wouldn't take the risk of going all the way to the altar to find
out if she liked sex three times a day or once a month, believe me too often is just as bad
as not enough.

Good answer 2tallbill. Good enough for me :D How about you Strider?
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 13, 2019, 03:01:22 PM
My own father married my mother because it was the only way she would have sex with him because that was her own fathers will.  I get the feeling my father was disappointed as he left for his school girlfriend.  About 15 years ago a 30 year old experienced male friend married a virgin johovas witness and divorced 3 months later.  I personally dated a former virgin for 4 years and looking back that was a nice relationship. So like all things a mix of results.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 13, 2019, 03:52:55 PM

Who on Earth wants to marry a virgin??


Mostly insecure guys, especially religious and insecure?   Virginity is less about purity than about your woman not having been with another man.  It's to view a woman as an object that should be theirs and theirs alone.

Some may be enamored with the mysticism of it, that they alone are able to be the first and only one to pass the gates.  Again, less about being with a woman than about being with a virgin object.

Some just have religious or cultural hang-ups that dictate how a woman should be rather than how they themselves should be.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: BdHvA on February 13, 2019, 04:18:02 PM
There once was a King Edward who
after knowing the sensation said
"To hell with the Coronation"
let my brother brother be king instead.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: ML on February 13, 2019, 04:24:53 PM
There once was a King Edward who
after knowing the sensation said
"To hell with the Coronation"
let my brother brother be king instead.

But she didn't even look like a good screw.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 13, 2019, 07:04:12 PM
Certainly not in Galicia/Red Ruthenia before Bandera.  They were all Ruthenians in the last census of Galicia before WWI, and in the first census of the Second Polish Republic in 1921.


You may wish to read about Shashkevych, Holovats'kyi, and Vahlevych, three Galicians who began calling for the unity ofUkrainianlands in the 1830's.  Or examine the "Ukrainiazation" movements of the 1870's to 1890's, and the "Ukrainization" proponents vs the "Russification" proponents.

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So "the idea of a separate Ukrainian nation" originates from either plagiarism or translation of a Russian author into the Poltava dialect of Ruthenian?  Really?  More likely, "the idea of a separate Ukrainian nation" originates from renaming all of Ruthenia "Ukraine" contrary to previous usage and understanding of the geographic area of the "Ukraina" being the territories near and East of Kiev.  Until WWI the people of that area were known as "Little Russians", not Ukrainians.


There was no "dialiect" that was dissimilar to the Ukrainian spoken in Galicia.  Other than modern words the languages were pretty much identical.


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Some intellectual elites, most notably in Hapsburg Galicia, started the business of renaming Ruthenians "Ukrainians" to divide and conquer the local peasants, but it took WWI and the breakup of the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires for anyone to coalesce around the idea of a separate "Ukrainian" identity. 


Ethnic identity in all of Europe was the result of nation states.  Poles didn't have much better of an idea of ethnic identity. But, you're missing the point.  All movements begin with the elites, nationalism world over, is no different. and in Ukraine, that movement started in the late 1700's in Eastern Ukraine, in the mid 1800's in Galicia.  Galician intellectuals started many movements, such as artisan movements, but they did not have the "critical mass" to carry such a movement in the cities.  So, they started forming such movements among the peasantry.  Those movements often were taken over by local churches.


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Mostly, it was a peasant movement in Galicia before WWI, that spread across the border to the Russian part.  I did read somewhere that there where those in Right Bank Ukraine who were actually ethnically Polish, who had embraced the idea of separating from Russia who were associated with the "Ukrainian" movement there before WWI, but no serious person would have considered that possible in a place that completely lacked an industrial base.  What became Ukraine was either going to be part of a Russian dominated Soviet Union, or a restored Polish Commonwealth.  Nothing else was realistically possible.


That's not exactly accurate.  The masses had to be "dragged along", however, these were, at their origin, intellectual movements.  The reason Ukrainian national identity, or national consciousness developed, was precisely because Ukraine was divided in two.  When the movement was oppressed in Galicia, Ukrainian intellectuals moved to the Russian Empire, and vice versa.  Had there been no such division, coupled with oppression, the results may have been different.  There has been a great deal written about this - whole books, in fact.   An old one, which is a series of essays, is Nation Building and the Politics of Nationalism.  It is an historical look at the nationalist movement in Galicia.  Another is Politics and Development of National Consciousness, which examines the development of Ukrainian national identity form a political perspective.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 13, 2019, 11:21:26 PM
I personally dated a former virgin ......

Classic........


Both my Grandmother's, Mother and Father implied that the only person they had been with was .... my Grandfatthers, Father and Mother..... They were all together til death parted them...

Of course, they couldn"t confirm if they managed to wait before marriage or submit to a lie detector test....

Does our opposing data prove much?





Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: JayH on February 14, 2019, 03:30:44 PM

Who on Earth wants to marry a virgin??



Ahhh    --  the Bee F....er
Trenchcoat
James
DK

Feel free to add any others you can think of --there have been a few passing through :cluebat:
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 14, 2019, 03:41:26 PM
I don't think any of those posters have expressed a desire to marry a virgin.


I think when DK posted here, he hooked up with a virgin, but he didn't seek her out because she was a virgin.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 14, 2019, 05:59:54 PM
I don't think any of those posters have expressed a desire to marry a virgin.


I think when DK posted here, he hooked up with a virgin, but he didn't seek her out because she was a virgin.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

It's true that I have never expressed a desire to date or marry a virgin. I see how some guys might find it desirable but I also realise that nearly all hot girls are desired and so have had sex. Many Virgin girls left will likely either be not into sex as 2tallbill describes, ugly/fat/mental/disabled or extremely religious/very sheltered life.

Most attractive young Virgin's will be around mid teens if not younger and that's the age they do it almost exclusively with guys of around the same age.

Strider may find a Polish Virgin but I think he'll have to decide which of the above category excluding under age girls he would find acceptable. To avoid disappointment he might have to consider a Georgian Virginians the whole ordeal that involves as 2tallbill describes. He might find if he spent good time out in Georgia that there may be circumstances where he might be able to be fast tracked on the quiet with a girl in an undesirable situation.

I think it would be great to have someone on here try to fully get to grips with either the Polish or the Georgian scene in terms of trying to find a other half. I think it requires some very different skills/approach to the Russia/Ukraine scene. I don't think I'm the person to do it or that I'm at all right for the Polish or Georgian scenes. It would be relatively unchartered territory for those looking for a girl from those parts I think.

James I don't think mentioned he is looking for a virgin either. I'm pretty sure DK was intent on one though. He often referenced his mother and wanted a girl that was pure. The virgin girl he met he apparently shagged so she wasn't a virgin anymore. I recall he seemed to upset her greatly and dealt with her in a rather cavalier and uncaring manner.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 14, 2019, 06:06:16 PM
I personally dated a former virgin

100% of the girls that I've dated were either virgins or former virgins.


To all the virgins of the world I say
"Thanks for nothing!!"

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 15, 2019, 03:16:49 AM
Can we please get back to the topic of the thread here. Strider wants to find himself a Polish Virgin no doubt because he wants a nice family life with no carry on along the way. Now this I can relate to,

Actually, during one trip to Poland, I rented a room in the house of Polish surgeon.  His then 17 year-old grand-daughter served as my interpreter when needed with her grandparents, and she had quite a crush on me.  No doubt she was still a virgin.  She was a little young, and really too short for me, but a very nice young lady.  Later, in what I took was an attempt to impress me, she got a boob job.  I suppose it made her happy, but I had no problem with her natural breast size, and was somewhat disappointed that she had the surgery.

I also met an American guy who worked in Poland for several years as an English teacher.  He claimed to have had great success dating Polish girls and claimed to have bagged seven Polish virgins in his time there, largely from dating his students.  I believe he was telling the truth, but from what I could see he went for the nerdy looking ones.  Personally, I don't find Polish women to be generally attractive and women in Western Ukraine generally have a similar build, but are darker complected than Polish women, i.e., dark hair, eyes, etc. 

Who on Earth wants to marry a virgin??

Obviously, some men still do.  The reason can vary from religious, cultural, romantic, or the egotistical need to be the first and only man with his wife.  Someone looking exclusively for a virgin would be advised to look in a place like the Philippines.  Two men I know married Filipina girls who were virgins.  Once was looking for a virgin, and the other wasn't.  Now, if a marriage agency wanted to conduct virginity tests on its girls, and promise that they were virgins, that would be legal.  However, an escort site doing the same needs to be doing business in a place where prostitution is legal.  Men are paying large sums for this experience.  There is also at least one internet site specializing in videos of girls losing their virginity, and most of the girls there are FSU girls.  You could look it up...

Stupidist post of the week.  Young women may stay virgins for many reasons which have nothing to do with their desirability.  Just because some tart was able to manipulate you with a little sex doesn't mean that women of moral character do the same.

One friend who was quite the playboy, told me that his wife was a virgin.  She was a bit older when they married, and she works as a nurse-physician or something on a cruise ship.  Logically, the safest practice to avoid STDs is abstinence.  That can be a reason for some women with strong will power.

It is not appropriate to talk about 12 year old girls here.

I did read recently in the Washington Post last month that it is perfectly legal under U.S. law to marry a minor, if it is legal in the state of residence.  Usually, that simply requires parental permission.  This is common enough in some American-Asian communities with much older men marrying teen brides born elsewhere but they are probably older than 12.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 15, 2019, 06:22:29 AM
You may wish to read about Shashkevych, Holovats'kyi, and Vahlevych, three Galicians who began calling for the unity of Ukrainianlands in the 1830's.  Or examine the "Ukrainiazation" movements of the 1870's to 1890's, and the "Ukrainization" proponents vs the "Russification" proponents.

There was a pan-Slavic movement for sure, and then there was Russophile movement illustrated by Nikolay Kmicykevich.  He opined in 1834, stating that there was only one Russian people s from Western Ukraine to Kamchatka, from the White Sea to the Black Sea.  Yakov Golovatski, (whom you mentioned above with a very strange spelling), was in that camp, and when he wrote, he wrote of Rusyns and Little Russians, not Ukrainians.  Eventually, Stalin fulfilled this vision and created the modern state of Ukraine, regardless of the objections of millions in the region.  Much of what you are suggesting is conflating those who 1) had goal of joining Hapsburg Ruthenian areas with Russia, with 2) Separatists dreaming of a new Ruthenian state and bringing the “Ukrainian” language and culture Westward from the East bank of the Dnieper to displace centuries of Polish influence in the West, including a mixed Polish-Ruthenian language or dialects in the West.

There was no "dialiect" that was dissimilar to the Ukrainian spoken in Galicia.  Other than modern words the languages were pretty much identical.

To this day in the Białystok, a pidgin Polish-Belarusian language or dialect, depending on one's classification, is spoken. That language is neither “dissimilar” to standard Polish nor Belarusian, but it  is not exactly either, but something distinct.  If you had studied the history of the whole of the Polish kresy, you might question why there were not such local dialects or languages in Galicia, since they are well documented on the Russian side of the border.  When such local languages existed, (a tutejsze in Polish), they could easily adapt and learn the parent languages.  What is readily apparent, is that the local Ruthenians in Galicia were being taught a language imported from across the border with the blessings of the Hapsburgs.  So the dialect from Poltava was similar, but certainly not identical to local speech in Galicia.  Remember that the competing practice of the day for a written language that was separate from Polish was to use Church Slavonic with Russian or Polish words added. 

Ethnic identity in all of Europe was the result of nation states.

The ethnic identity of modern Ukraine is undeniably the result of Hitler and Stalin's ethnic cleansing of the region.  Western Ukraine today bears little resemblance to what was present before Stalin, as it was decidedly more Polish.  Hitler's final solution to eradicate the Third Reich of Jews was based on Stalin's plan in the 30's to rid the Western Soviet Union of ethnic Poles.  People got sent to the gulag for simply singing Polish songs, or being suspected of being Polish spies, because they were ethnically somehow Polish.  It is not surprising that fewer people in modern Ukraine, those descendants of people who weren't deported East, chose not self-identify as Poles.  Similarly, Carpo-Rusyns were also discouraged from claiming not to be Ukrainians, etc.  Rusyns have similarly disappeared.

Poles didn't have much better of an idea of ethnic identity.

Since Poland was traditionally a multi-ethnic state, ethnic identity was much more complex.

But, you're missing the point.  All movements begin with the elites, nationalism world over, is no different. and in Ukraine, that movement started in the late 1700's in Eastern Ukraine, in the mid 1800's in Galicia.  Galician intellectuals started many movements, such as artisan movements, but they did not have the "critical mass" to carry such a movement in the cities.  So, they started forming such movements among the peasantry.  Those movements often were taken over by local churches.

Educated Rusyns in the cities of Galicia had no desire to associate themselves with the “Ukrainian” peasants from the countryside.  It would take Bandera's fascists and Stalin's tyranny to force the Rusyns into the “Ukrainian” endonym.  Before that they considered themselves, “gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus”.  Many would be offended at being called Ukrainians, as they were not peasants.

That's not exactly accurate.  The masses had to be "dragged along", however, these were, at their origin, intellectual movements.

Well, with a group of peasants, it plainly didn't start out in the barns and fields, but the movement didn't appeal to more successful Rusyns.  Thus, it was largely a peasant movement as I wrote.

The reason Ukrainian national identity, or national consciousness developed, was precisely because Ukraine was divided in two. 

More likely, it was caused by Hapsburg indoctrination of Ruthenian conscripts during WWI, since before WWI, ordinary people had no concept of living in the Ukraine, which was on the Russian side of the border.  This is supported by the lack of Galician immigrants to North America to claim to have been ethnic Ukrainians before WWI:

“In a sense, Ukrainians were ‘made in America’ and Canada. This is because when the immigrants first arrived from western Ukrainian lands, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, they called themselves Rusyns, or in English, Ruthenians, with little or no sense of being Ukrainian. They had to learn this from some of their more nationally conscious secular and religious leaders through participation in secular and religious community functions.”    Magocsi and Petrovsky-Shtern, Jews and Ukrainians: A Millennium of Co-Existence (p. 234).   The authors reproduce a cartoon depicting  newly arrived Ruthenians stuttiering when asked their nationality, “Austrian…Russian…, I mean P- P—Polish.”  Ibid (p. 234). 

the movement was oppressed in Galicia, Ukrainian intellectuals moved to the Russian Empire, and vice versa.

Since Ukraine was in Russia only at the time, it is likely that Ukrainians only moved to Galicia, and thus brought Ukraine and a Ukrainian language with them.

Had there been no such division, coupled with oppression, the results may have been different.  There has been a great deal written about this - whole books, in fact. ...

There has been a great deal of rubbish written about the great “oppression” of the Ukrainian peasant movement.  Much of it originates from Canada.  What is interesting is that European historians, and other social scientists, continue to distinguish Ruthenians from Ukrainians but the distinction in the English language has mostly disappeared.  Post communist Polish and Russian historians have been finding some agreement on the creation of the Ukrainian identity.  What is documented is that before WWI, the term “Ukrainian” had been used to describe children of one Polish and one Russian parent. 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 15, 2019, 06:52:01 AM
Hmmm, so my better half, who dated more FSUW than have you, chose a WW.  He has told all of our children to "forget about that part of the world".  After our last trip, when he was hit on by women half his age and recognized that for what it was, he's reiterated that what he refers to as homo Sovieticus attitudes have not yet been eradicated.

The Homo Sovieticus attitudes were created in what is now the Vilnius area of Lithuania, Western Belarus and Western Ukraine by the invading Red Army.  They were noted for not cooking their food and eating eggs and vegetables raw in the market place, as well as their ignorance and amazement that Polish cities things they had never seen before like toilets:

"The women," writes an eye-witness, " wore rags wrapped round their feet or felt slippers, instead of shoes: they brought all their family belongings in one battered suitcase, and sometimes even an iron bedstead. Bedding was not known to them and the luxury of fresh linen was never dreamed of in the Soviet Republic, even by dignitaries and important women commissars. The pick of the Soviets sent out for display to this bourgeois country were ignorant of the simplest arrangements of everyday life. Accustomed to being herded together, they did not understand the superfluous habit of enjoying individual lodgings: bathrooms and kitchens they considered as uncanny inventions, and their way of feeding and housekeeping could - by its extreme misery and primitivity - only make one think of the simplicity of requirements attributed to cave-dwellers."
http://felsztyn.tripod.com/id15.html

From the source, one of the more humorous stories to come from Soviet occupied Wilno, was about two Soviet women who showed up at the theater wearing nightgowns, not understanding that these were not intended to be worn as formal wear.  This made me think of all of the modern Ukrainian girls who think that dressing in style is to wear boots and dress like a hooker.  Returning to the topic, women in Poland don't dress like that.

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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 15, 2019, 08:18:52 AM
when I was living in an apartment in Kyiv in the 90s
there were a few pizza shops but no franchises yet, the pizzas they served were AWFUL!!!
I, on the other hand memorized how my Sicilian ex-girl friend prepared Sicilian pizza
and was able to get most of the ingredients in an outdoor market, including whole Parmesan that i'd hand grate
had to make my own sauce though which took ALL day.. (anticipation...)
it's one out of 3 things that I cook well...
so first time I invite a Ukrainian girl to my apartment for dinner
I make Sicilian pizza of course
had a small bowl of grated Parmesan in front of her to sprinkle on the pizza
but no....
she takes a heaping spoonful, and puts it straight into her mouth!!!!
"oichen kuzna" she says, licking her lips
"nasdarovia", I replied
all the young UW, that I took traveling with me, needed to be "instructed" in how to eat and behave
an American Woman, would not have put up with anyone "correcting" their behavior
Ukrainian girls OTOH were very appreciative even wanted me to coach them!

it was a unique position to be in! never happened to me in the USA
maybe because I was older and a Western Man
but they had no problem letting me be their teacher
but I would always do it in a positive way
this also apparently puts them in a position where they try to get my approval
not only sexually but also they start doing domestic stuff for me
little intimacies that escalated into their moving in with me and sharing my bed
during bed time, younger women like more "body contact" than older women
I find it "hard"(so to speak) to sleep with a woman clinging on to my waist or chest
"spooning" is the way to go with them!
if you spoon first, she'll get the idea immediately and do a full contact spoon
careful if she does a "reach around" though
I guess you could just snore a little and pretend you're asleep if you're not in the mood!

part dva

what to do if you strike out in Ukraine?

ok, so guys like bee farmer and mr beard who have “struck out”
what should you do if it happens to you?
is it the end of the road?

HELL NO!!!

you just find a worse FSU “hell hole” than Ukraine
and go there NEXT time!

fortunately, for you there’s a lot of these places!

I could write volumes and volumes about these places “back in the day” in the late 90s
since my wife, I have not been back to these places, except for Crimea and Moscow, etc.
so, caveat emptor

so, let me for a second tell ya about the ‘stans’
Uzbekistan
 Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan

for some reason these countries, all had small currency (see pic)
with a few exceptions, I’ve only been to big cities in these countries can’t tell ya much about village hunting there, i’ll leave that up to the next generation of hunters to explore...

what I picked up on right away was that there was actually 3 groups of women in these countries

1. pure Asian
2. pure Russian
3. mix of the two

and there is a BIG rivalry between these groups
you will have ALL these women “throwing themselves at you” literally
but, if their fathers, brothers see it and get pissed, be careful where you walk after dark!!

but these women are SAVAGE, many are used to squat toilets, cooking over a wooden stove outside, this sort of primitiveness

but what they yearn for is the evening dress in a foreign restaurant
they know that in reality the closest they’re ever going to get to this is watching it on TV
but then suddenly you appear... and their eyes go BOING!  a western guy here in Tashkent or whatever barren stretch of desolate landscape they call “doma” is called...

they will literally be all over you!!!!
some of these people especially in Kazakhstan have no idea about “personal space” women will just come right up to you from out of no where and start smiling and talking to you, trying to speak English with you, etc, but they just get “right in your face”, you can’t ignore them and turn and walk away, they also seem extremely animated during their discussions, with their fingers frequently poking you for emphasis in whatever point they're trying to make

if you are ever alone with these women and give them even one drink their clothes will be off and they will be "flashing you" posing and making suggestive eye contact
you have NO CHOICE but to immediately disrobe and provide them with immediate sexual gratification, if you don't they will be EXTREMELY PISSED!!!
you literally will have NO CHOICE but to have sex with them!!!

but, if you strike out in Ukraine, this is where you should go, you really won't have to do much, just stand some place, like where they keep the mules next to the big market for example...

 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 17, 2019, 10:10:03 AM
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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 17, 2019, 10:19:17 AM
the movement was oppressed in Galicia, Ukrainian intellectuals moved to the Russian Empire, and vice versa.

Since Ukraine was in Russia only at the time, it is likely that Ukrainians only moved to Galicia, and thus brought Ukraine and a Ukrainian language with them.

EDIT TO NOTE:  What undoubtedly flowed Eastward to the Russian side was Russophiles in trouble with the Galician authorities for treasonous ideas, i.e, they wanted to join with Russia.  I also remember reading that the Greek Catholic church was influenced by a Russian Orthodox choir in Vienna.  More support for the idea of the Hapsburg's intent to drive Roman and Greek Catholics apart in Galicia despite a common catechism.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 17, 2019, 10:42:47 AM
what to do if you strike out in Ukraine?
ok, so guys like bee farmer and mr beard who have “struck out”
what should you do if it happens to you?
is it the end of the road?
HELL NO!!!
you just find a worse FSU “hell hole” than Ukraine

One of the myths about Ukraine, is that the girls are desperate to leave.  They are not, at least not by marriage anyhow unless they have a child, or until they hit age 30.

so, let me for a second tell ya about the ‘stans’
Uzbekistan
 Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
...
what I picked up on right away was that there was actually 3 groups of women in these countries
1. pure Asian
2. pure Russian
3. mix of the two

Particularly in Kazakhstan, they may not have been “pure Russian”.  In addition to Siberia, Stalin deported many Poles there near Karaganda.  They were sent Eastward in cattle cars, and many died along the way.  They were left along the side of the railroad tracks and had to burrow into the ground to survive the harsh winter.  Since the Soviet Union required an ethnic description of people, as assinged by the government, and Poles faced discrimination, many Polish women married other Slavic men.  The knock-on effect would be that Polish men married non-Polish women, etc.  The Polish government was slow to repatriate such people after the fall of communism.

Stalin also may have sent some Volga Germans, and other undesirable ethnic types to such places, and though they may have Russifed over time, I would hesitate to call them "pure Russians".

but these women are SAVAGE, many are used to squat toilets, cooking over a wooden stove outside, this sort of primitiveness

Well so much for the myth that that Soviet Union raised the standard of living for such people much.  Squat toilets are a marginal improvement over the simple outdoor latrines still found in Ukraine.

but what they yearn for is the evening dress in a foreign restaurant
they know that in reality the closest they’re ever going to get to this is watching it on TV
but then suddenly you appear... and their eyes go BOING!  a western guy here in Tashkent or whatever barren stretch of desolate landscape they call “doma” is called...
they will literally be all over you!!!!

One very good idea is for men to over dress when visiting such places.  Wearing a suit when the local men wore track suits certainly helped me at times.  In a place where most people lived in dumpy Soviet housing, clothing is a major way to stand out and show status.  Clothes really do make the man in this part of the world.  Men are advised not to look too casual.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 17, 2019, 11:23:31 AM
“One of the myths about Ukraine, is that the girls are desperate to leave.”

whatcha’ talkin’ bout Willis?
no mythology....
my BFF and business partner in Kyiv bought an elitny house, cost well over $1,000,000+ in one of the “villages” on the main highway from Borispol to downtown Kyiv more than 10 yr ago
now he’s desperately trying to sell it for $200,000 but no takers, so he’ll probably cut more...
there are scores of homeless people camping in the woods around his house
people from Kyiv who have given up on finding work and have no money at all to live on
there are all kinds of people there, old people young people, people with kids...
Ukraine is collapsing, and everyone knows Putin is coming...

and you’re trying to tell me that some guy with a blue passport who owns his own house, drives a Mercedes, has no leverage there???
no leverage?  even though the women there ALL KNOW that a blue passport is a “magic passport” because it has the ability to turn their red one blue as well...
NO ONE wants a RED PASSPORT!!!!
it’s a hideous colour, might as well be “tin” covered...

you HAVE leverage!
if you had any more leverage, you’d be able to stick a log under a boulder and move the whole planet, that’s HOW MUCH leverage you have!!!!

“Squat toilets are a marginal improvement over the simple outdoor latrines still found in Ukraine.”


IMHO, the only possible way to make Ukrainian toilettes worse
would be to put them on the ceiling, i.e. just a hole in the ceiling
this would require the user to perform a handstand to “orient themselves properly”
and hopefully eject with enough force to gain sufficient altitude and trajectory
otherwise gravity will create an em bare ASS ing sight
not much different than having a “faux pax” moment with a squat toilette

part dva
Russian women care VERY much how they look and how others PERCEIVE them!
slovo...
so, when you first meet you need to respond with some sincere flattery
this will take the “edge off” their concern on this subject...
something like, “wow, I thought you looked beautiful in your pictures, but I had no idea how gorgeous you really are until just now”, learn how to say this in Russian and practice it
look her in the eye when you say it...

horrosho?
No NATO!
NO POTATO!



Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 17, 2019, 12:39:06 PM
This has got to be one of THE most pathetic threads ever started on here


Let's all leave our historical revisionist 'Strider' to his 'history' and perversions


MEGA-sad
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 17, 2019, 12:51:16 PM
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whatcha’ talkin’ bout Willis?
no mythology....

My first trip to Ukraine years ago, some old farmer from Kansas joined the tour.  He thought the young girls would throw themselves at him.  It didn't happen.  In recent years, Europe has opened up for Ukrainains to visit, study, live and work there, but not Russians and most other FSU citizens (except of course, the Baltic states). 

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my BFF and business partner in Kyiv bought an elitny house, cost well over $1,000,000+ in one of the “villages” on the main highway from Borispol to downtown Kyiv more than 10 yr ago
now he’s desperately trying to sell it for $200,000 but no takers, so he’ll probably cut more...

Sounds like your friend got played big time.  Pretty girls aren't the only people running scams in Ukraine to swindle foreigners out of money.

[
there are scores of homeless people camping in the woods around his house
people from Kyiv who have given up on finding work and have no money at all to live on
there are all kinds of people there, old people young people, people with kids...
Ukraine is collapsing, and everyone knows Putin is coming...

Nah, Putin is on record as offering Ukraine's historic Right Bank back to Poland as part of a restored Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth of sorts much like what was proposed in the Riga negotiations in 1921.  Putin doesn't want Kiev, just the traditional Ukraine to the East.

[
and you’re trying to tell me that some guy with a blue passport who owns his own house, drives a Mercedes, has no leverage there???
no leverage?

No, just not as much as some people think.  I have met young ladies in Ukraine who don't want to leave, and they are very upfront about it.  They don't want to leave their country, their family, etc.  The ones who do want to leave, don't necessarily want to leave as someone's wife.  Some do, some don't, and some will only pretend to be interested in marriage for money or intending to get divorced later if they do. 


even though the women there ALL KNOW that a blue passport is a “magic passport” because it has the ability to turn their red one blue as well...
NO ONE wants a RED PASSPORT!!!!
it’s a hideous colour, might as well be “tin” covered...

Ah, I see that your spouse is a Ruska.  They have red passports.  Last I saw at the airport, Ukrainians actually have light blue passports not red.  They don't want Russian passports, but most would gladly take an E.U. passport, which also happens to be a red passport.  So, it is not true to write that no one in Ukraine wants a red passport.

In support of what you wrote, in my last trip to Russia over a year ago, I got a lot more attention from the younger girls there than in my recent visits to Ukraine.  The scene in Ukraine is not now the same as in Russia. 

Понимаете?

IMHO, the only possible way to make Ukrainian toilettes worse
would be to put them on the ceiling, i.e. just a hole in the ceiling
this would require the user to perform a handstand to “orient themselves properly”
and hopefully eject with enough force to gain sufficient altitude and trajectory
otherwise gravity will create an em bare ASS ing sight
not much different than having a “faux pax” moment with a squat toilette

The idea behind the squat toilets was to improve the strength of the leg muscles of the population.  This reduces the need for people to go to the gym! 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 17, 2019, 01:05:17 PM


Ah, I see that your spouse is a Ruska.  They have red passports.  Last I saw at the airport, Ukrainians actually have light blue passports not red.  They don't want Russian passports, but most would gladly take an E.U. passport, which also happens to be a red passport.  So, it is not true to write that no one in Ukraine wants a red passport.



Sighs,

He really isn't that observant this 'Strider' ....

Anyway, The Blue UA passports (with chips)  mean visa free travel to the EU for up to 90 days  ....
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 17, 2019, 01:23:04 PM
“ He thought the young girls would throw themselves at him. “

too bad for him, I OTOH have bruises from the encounters...



“Sounds like your friend got played big time.  Pretty girls aren't the only people running scams in Ukraine to swindle foreigners out of money.”

my friend was born in kyiv, and has lived there his whole life
he wasn’t scammed, this just reflects the decline in real estate there over the past 12 yr
and this decline is about the same ratio as the decline of the UAH against the USD



“Nah, Putin is on record as offering Ukraine's...”

well, if Putin said so, gotta be true then right, phewww big relief when Ukrainians here about it




"Last I saw at the airport, Ukrainians actually have light blue passports not red.”

basic Ukr foreign travel passport (non-EU Premium kind) is RED, pic enclosed!!!
the reason it's RED is because the "internal" passport is BLUE, so to avoid confusion...
moloditz?

 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 17, 2019, 01:41:55 PM

part dva

what to do if you strike out in Ukraine?

ok, so guys like bee farmer and mr beard who have “struck out”
what should you do if it happens to you?
is it the end of the road?

HELL NO!!!

you just find a worse FSU “hell hole” than Ukraine
and go there NEXT time!

fortunately, for you there’s a lot of these places!

I could write volumes and volumes about these places “back in the day” in the late 90s
since my wife, I have not been back to these places, except for Crimea and Moscow, etc.
so, caveat emptor

so, let me for a second tell ya about the ‘stans’
Uzbekistan
 Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan

for some reason these countries, all had small currency (see pic)
with a few exceptions, I’ve only been to big cities in these countries can’t tell ya much about village hunting there, i’ll leave that up to the next generation of hunters to explore...

what I picked up on right away was that there was actually 3 groups of women in these countries

1. pure Asian
2. pure Russian
3. mix of the two

and there is a BIG rivalry between these groups
you will have ALL these women “throwing themselves at you” literally
but, if their fathers, brothers see it and get pissed, be careful where you walk after dark!!

but these women are SAVAGE, many are used to squat toilets, cooking over a wooden stove outside, this sort of primitiveness

but what they yearn for is the evening dress in a foreign restaurant
they know that in reality the closest they’re ever going to get to this is watching it on TV
but then suddenly you appear... and their eyes go BOING!  a western guy here in Tashkent or whatever barren stretch of desolate landscape they call “doma” is called...

they will literally be all over you!!!!
some of these people especially in Kazakhstan have no idea about “personal space” women will just come right up to you from out of no where and start smiling and talking to you, trying to speak English with you, etc, but they just get “right in your face”, you can’t ignore them and turn and walk away, they also seem extremely animated during their discussions, with their fingers frequently poking you for emphasis in whatever point they're trying to make

if you are ever alone with these women and give them even one drink their clothes will be off and they will be "flashing you" posing and making suggestive eye contact
you have NO CHOICE but to immediately disrobe and provide them with immediate sexual gratification, if you don't they will be EXTREMELY PISSED!!!
you literally will have NO CHOICE but to have sex with them!!!

but, if you strike out in Ukraine, this is where you should go, you really won't have to do much, just stand some place, like where they keep the mules next to the big market for example...


I love this guy :D Brilliant post Krimster!

I think the problem with Ukraine and now Belarus is that they are absolutely crawling with sex tourists. For most western wear they are the closest country that us visa free. Ukraine has for quite some time now had a problem with girls that are just out to play, it no doubt goes with there carefree fun nature but it's not great when trying to find one for a LTR. Belarus seems to have more sincere women but now it's gone visa free I think a lot of girls are inundated with guys contacting them.

Things may be bad for some in Ukraine but I think most girls that can stay in a job and/or have family support them stick it out there. I don't think the economy is a big game changer as far as making the girls more serious, I think things would have to get even more desperate out there for them to set aside their carefree nature for that.

I've noticed the odd few Ukrainian girls in EU countries seeking a guy but they appear small in number and probably not significant enough to change the state of play in Ukraine. I think some may come a cropper because they either don't speak the language and/or find good employment hard to come by since even though the currency may be worth more they still need to pay for accomodation etc the normal realities of life. So I don't think it's the big problem for us WM it at first looked. Theoretically since they would only obtain legal working status if Ukraine joined the EU they are in an inferior employment/unemployment situation out there. In addition Poland recently has announced that it would like Poles to to return to Poland, if that happens then less work for Ukrainians.

So I think Russia is probably a good place to look for those serious about a LTR. Your idea of the stand I think is great also Krimster. I doubt that many sex tourists would trouble going all that distance. I've always thought it perculiar why Ukrainian girls often seemed to just want to mess around and not get serious.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 17, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
Trench,

unfortunately, my informatzie about Russian far east is VERY out of date (late 90s)
back then it was WORSE than the wild west in the USA with real bandits!

if your destination was far from the airport, travel was difficult on the roads, if you went any distance, your vehicle will join up with a convoy because “safety in numbers”

went to a place called Mirny, bought a few loose diamonds
a 4.0 caret canary yellow was $500 and up... today in the USA might be worth $7000/$8000 raw and maybe 3 times that cut
1 good trade per day is all you need!!!  but if you're going to do more than 2-3 trades you need to pay krisha

VERY rough and very dangerous place full of bad-ass people
you either have to be a double-ninja assassin or very much “have your wits about you” doing this

now the women...

Yakutsk is the freakin heart of Siberia, this is Russia’s frontier
and they have a frontier mentality here

wimmin are generally “out-doorsy” physically active like to swim (sometimes nekkid!)
definitely in July they’ll be along the Lena river
several of the beaches are unofficially “clothing optional”
amazing sight these ferral Russian wimmin sans clothing with their bodies glistening in the hot siberian summer sun...

but if you think there’s a “culture gap” between yourself and the Ukrainian women you’ve so far met, then the difference in the Russian Far East CAN BE really EXTREME (or not, depending...)
I met a few Russian wimmin there that were physically violent, not with me fortunately, but it’s the ONLY place I’ve seen SO MANY wimmin get into “street fights”
and I don’t mean slap fighting
I mean wimmin hitting men or other wimmin with broken bottles, sticks, etc, very common apparently
brutal place, even the chicks “have balls” there
be 5 minutes late with one of them, see what happens!!!
a Ukrainian woman (comparatively docile) is about the most savage kind of woman that I will allow to sleep next to me!!
Russian far east woman, Uzbekh, Kazach, no way Jose...
the sex is not worth the paranoia IMHO....
and you could certainly NEVER marry a woman like this
to give you an example, I've seen 18/19 yr old girls there "sucker punch" their boyfriends as hard as they can
and boy friends "just take it" it's a show of machismo how tough they are
if you can't take it then she'll think you're "a pussy"
usually VERY HARD drinkers even at 18 or 19 especially in the winter...
but...
it won't take a lot of money to make your mark among the locals
normal 3 date rule before sex can be abandoned here, 1 or 2 date sex is the norm
if you do buy a diamond, even a small one, tape it to the bottom of your testicles (but for god's sake shave first!)





Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 17, 2019, 03:35:29 PM
There is also at least one internet site specializing in videos of girls losing their virginity,
and most of the girls there are FSU girls.  You could look it up...

There are sites where they say the girl is a virgin and she has a tramp stamp, nipple rings 
and vaginal piercings, I tend to discount their veracity, I'm just skeptical that way.

 

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: ML on February 17, 2019, 07:37:27 PM
There are sites where they say the girl is a virgin and she has a tramp stamp, nipple rings 
and vaginal piercings, I tend to discount their veracity, I'm just skeptical that way.

But those gals are just waiting for the 'right' guy.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 17, 2019, 09:04:47 PM
Luckily for me at 19 I lived with a woman for 4 years who was a virgin at our meeting.  I can understand why men crave the sensation. 
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 17, 2019, 09:20:52 PM
no... "being tight" has nothing to do with virginity!
the thought of "Maxime" viciously assaulting and tearing a young girl's vaginal membrane
like a bunch of Vikings with a battering ram is...is...is appalling...

Maxime is gentle, kind, friendly likes to be petted and "played with"
Maxime is not some wild vicious membrane tearing animal
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 19, 2019, 10:55:37 AM
Let's all leave our historical revisionist 'Strider' to his 'history' and perversions
MEGA-sad

Well then, did Caesar conquer France or Gaul? The area of Gaul would become France in another era centuries later, but historians don't consider it correct to say Caesar conquered France.  It is anachronistic.  The maps of the region make clear that geography has been revised to expand the region known as Ukraine, a borderland province, far to the West of where it was originally in the 17th century.
Here is a famous  map from 1648 by Guillaume Le Vasseur de Beauplan, who was a French army engineer, architect, and cartographer which depicts "general Ukraine and adjacent provinces” complete with an illustration of cossacks around a Polish white eagle.  (Note that it is upside-down, so South is up top, etc.):
http://tile.loc.gov/image-services/iiif/service:gmd:gmd7:g7100:g7100:ct000383/full/pct:25/0/default.jpg
Next, we have a map of “Tartaria D’Europa” from 1684 by an Italian cartographer, Giacomo Cantelli da Vignola which notes “Ukraine or the country of Zaporozhian Cossacks” in the area South and East of Kiev, (which is now controlled by the Tsar of Moscow) but not in Podolia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Tartaria_D_Europa_ouro_Piccola_Tartaria.jpg
In this map from 1739, Ukraine has begun to creep Westward into Podolia and Volhonia as a general region, but still in the East and far from Red Ruthenia and Lwow:
http://lithuanianmaps.com/images/1739_homann_poloniae_et_lithuaniae_academia_lndb_lv.jpg
http://lithuanianmaps.com/images/1739_homann_regni_poloniae_brbl_media_library_yale_edu_images_DL.jpg
Until WWI, there was no province of Ukraine in the Russian Empire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1904_Map_showing_Little_Russia_and_South_Russia.pdf
So, the historic region of Ukraine, has since been revised to push it Westward into traditionally Polish lands, and people who were gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus.  I didn't revise that...

Even in the region that was Ukraine, people there hadn't identified themselves as “Ukrainians”.  They were called “Little Russians”.  In the 19th century, this German map shows that Hapsburg Galicia is populated by ethnic Ruthenians, and Russia across the border has Little Russians in 1881:
http://external-preview.redd.it/UWc66lyTmsHNW-kbaXb1bNzI8eCHWixsA5cLiwvVDwU.jpg?auto=webp&s=2b514d4f19912788c61cfd2bc8d0d6c928235559
There wouldn't be any Ukrainians there until the communists seized power.  Even in Hapsburg Galicia where the Ukrainian movement began, officially there were no Ukrainians enumerated in the census, nor listed on ethnographic maps before WWI, they were called Ruthenians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenians#/media/File:Austria_hungary_1911.jpg
No, I didn't revise that bit of history either.

What remains true, is that the West, including Britain, never cared about “self-determination of peoples” in what became Ukraine, and Belarus.  It is not surprising that our Orangist Limey here has such contempt for the people of the region sold out to Stalin at the end of WWII.

“Nah, Putin is on record as offering Ukraine's...”
well, if Putin said so, gotta be true then right, phewww big relief when Ukrainians here about it

It's very old news from 2013:
Quote from: former Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski
Putin wants Poland to commit troops to Ukraine. These were the signals they sent us. … We have known how they think for years. We have known this is what they think for years. This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, [soon to be President of the European Council] when he visited Moscow. He went on to say Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwow is a Polish city and why don't we just sort it out together. Luckily Tusk didn't answer. He knew he was being recorded.
http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-offered-to-partition-ukraine-with-poland-2014-10

“ He thought the young girls would throw themselves at him. “
too bad for him, I OTOH have bruises from the encounters...

I had to juggle two girls one night in the old Hotel Tsentralna in Dnipropetrovsk when that happened.  It has now been remodeled into a large shopping mall.  That makes me sad.

“Sounds like your friend got played big time.  Pretty girls aren't the only people running scams in Ukraine to swindle foreigners out of money.”
my friend was born in kyiv, and has lived there his whole life
he wasn’t scammed, this just reflects the decline in real estate there over the past 12 yr
and this decline is about the same ratio as the decline of the UAH against the USD

Maybe he thought real estate was a better investment than other options.  Until the corruption is addressed and the political situation stabilizes with Russian, investing money in Ukraine is a very bad idea.

There are sites where they say the girl is a virgin and she has a tramp stamp, nipple rings 
and vaginal piercings, I tend to discount their veracity, I'm just skeptical that way.

You must not have seen the site where they take gynecologically explicit video and pics for the doubters...
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 19, 2019, 11:02:02 AM
"Maybe he thought real estate was a better investment than other options. "

it's Ukraine, what other investment options are there?
banks, hahaha
bonds hahahahaha
stock market hahahahahahahahaha

I used to smuggle cash out of ukraine on the train to Berlin, no Xray on luggage!!!!
border police don't bother nice American family with their two little girls...
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 19, 2019, 11:11:32 AM


What remains true, is that the West, including Britain, never cared about “self-determination of peoples” in what became Ukraine, and Belarus.  It is not surprising that our Orangist Limey here has such contempt for the people of the region sold out to Stalin at the end of WWII.



As usual, our 'revisionist historian' and 'expert on FSU virgins' (!)  proves why I feel the need to mock his 'conclusions' ...

1/ As far as I am aware, no member of my immediate family...Parents, Grandparents, siblings  or cousins  - was EVER an Orangeman ..I hold an Irish passport - in addition to a UK one - and have done so for 20 plus years

2/ As I am not 'English' - how could I be a 'Limey' ?


If that was another example of your 'attention to detail' ....   

Someone who clearly knows E.Poland, W.Belarus and the UK's ( not always praiseworthy) treatment of Poles 

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SANDRO43 on February 19, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Well then, did Caesar conquer France or Gaul?
He wrote about his conquest in a book called "De Bello Gallico" (About the Gallic War).
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The area of Gaul would become France in another era centuries later.
Conquered  in the 6th century by romanised Rhineland Franks. Therefore their cultural assimilation into romanised Gaul was not difficult - they acquired the local latinised language and only contributed phonetically what was thenceforth erroneously called the French R sound, which is actually a Germanic sound ;).
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but historians don't consider it correct to say Caesar conquered France.
Maybe only those poorly educated historicallly ::).   
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 19, 2019, 08:43:00 PM
Krimister you miss the point it's not about hymens it's about the difference between a shop bought shoe and a hand made fitted Italian shoe.  It's about youth.  It's about not being jaded by riding the carousel too many times.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 19, 2019, 09:36:30 PM
Sighs,

He really isn't that observant this 'Strider' ....

Anyway, The Blue UA passports (with chips)  mean visa free travel to the EU for up to 90 days  ....

I think what Mobers means here is the EU passport is known as a burgundy colour. All depends on what your idea of red is I guess. Strange they chose that colour as the colour of the EU flag is blue, another thing about the EU that doesn't make sense I guess.

Still good news for the UK is that when we leave the EU our passports are going back to blue :D

So that will bring us in line with the US  with blue being the most desirable passport colour :)

Mobers meanwhile will be readying his old Rep of Ireland/EU red ahem .. burgundy passport for inspection at the Northern Irish border very shortly ;D
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 20, 2019, 08:33:24 AM
'I am an Ulster PROTESTANT and quite happy to have the shops closed on Sundays )

Quote from: en.oxforddictionaries.com
Orangist: A person who espouses Protestant political principles and the Protestant cause, especially in Northern Ireland; = "Orangeman".
http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/orangist

1/ As far as I am aware, no member of my immediate family...Parents, Grandparents, siblings  or cousins  - was EVER an Orangeman

So did msmob convert to Protestantism and anger the family?  The rest of the family supports King Francis II as the legitimate King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria#Succession_rights
They must have some interesting family gatherings.!

 :ROFL:

This troll still can't say what I have “revised” other than communist propaganda.  It was Stalin who revised all of the Ruthenians into Ukrainians, whether they agreed with that or not.

He wrote about his conquest in a book called "De Bello Gallico" (About the Gallic War).Conquered  in the 6th century by romanised Rhineland Franks. Therefore their cultural assimilation into romanised Gaul was not difficult - they acquired the local latinised language and only contributed phonetically what was thenceforth erroneously called the French R sound, which is actually a Germanic sound ;). Maybe only those poorly educated historicallly ::).

Right, and there was a change in the local language and ethnic composition of the area after the conquest, and history notes that.  The issue is that with the modern state of Ukraine, English language academics persist in calling the people of the region “Ukrainians” anachronistically, regardless of what they had considered themselves, or what language or dialects they spoke, as a way of hiding what Stalin had done to change the area.  Stalin forbade the use of the endonym “Ruthenian”, sent Poles and others to the gulags, forceably resettled Carpo-Rusyns either to former German areas of present day Poland, or inside the Soviet Union and called them “Ukrainians”, etc.  Western academics, have simply covered up for Stalin's acts when they don't use the historical endonyms to whitewash the lack of self-determination, and forced assimilation of people into officially sanctioned Soviet ethnic groups.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 20, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
Still good news for the UK is that when we leave the EU our passports are going back to blue :D
So that will bring us in line with the US  with blue being the most desirable passport colour :)

I don't know that FSU women ever all wanted to go to North America.  The idea of uprooting themselves and moving far away from all that is familiar to them was never that appealing to them.  Many would have been happy to find a German or Scandinavian spouse so they could return home to see the family easier.  Things might change if they have a friend or relative in your home country, but then be careful that she is really interested in long term marriage, and not just a ticket out.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 20, 2019, 09:44:42 AM
http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/orangist

So did msmob convert to Protestantism and anger the family?  The rest of the family supports King Francis II as the legitimate King of the United Kingdomof Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria#Succession_rights
They must have some interesting family gatherings.!

 :ROFL:


Yeah, I always got the impression our Mobe could be an British MI5/IRA commander double agent who went super grass for both sides and then even confused himself what side he was on, commited to a psychiatric mental hospital from which he prompty eascaped to Cyprus to do iffy Saterlite TV set up in return for questionable Russian language tuition, lol :cheesy:
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 21, 2019, 12:34:06 AM
My great, great grandparents were "Ruthenians".  They referred to themselves as "rus"  They also referred to themselves as "Ukrainians".  That was in the mid 1800's, and it was not unusual at the time, nor later, up to the 1920's. 


I know a lot of Ukrainians who emigrated to Canada from Galicia, from the first immigrant families to after WWII.  They all referred to themselves as "Ukrainian", and those that came in the interwar period, or as WWII refugees, had the highest level of national consciousness of all - probably more so than Ukrainians in Ukraine today.  So this idea being propagated that "Ukrainians" did not self identify as such is nonsense. 


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 21, 2019, 02:11:16 AM


This troll still can't say what I have “revised” other than communist propaganda.

The 'troll' has pointed to specific historical howlers of yours - like E.Poland - which is the location of Warsaw - being the 'centre' of 'conservatism'  :rolleyes:

From your 'opinion' on virgins to your revisionist history issues - you are 'dangerous' in that a fool like Trench would find you an ally

You have a VERY bad habit of disputing historical facts with locals from the 'areas' you choose to feign 'expertise' ....

My paternal side are from the 'south' ( Republic) of Ireland  and my Granddad taught us that the 'truth' re British / Irish history ( as taught in schools) was to read between the lines of both to be nearer the truth..

1/ His father was a retired RIC ( Royal Irish Constabulary ) officer and the 'IRA boys' suggested he and his family left "as he had taken the Queen and Kings' Shilling"  - they moved to the north

Irish nationalism was originally non sectarian - you might like to consult http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stewart_Parnell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stewart_Parnell) - as he was a PROTESTANT ...

2/ My paternal side were of French Huguenot extraction and my other grandfather was offered membership of the Orange Order and Masons - but gracefully declined



3/ My first wife was R.Catholic and her Dad was from SW Ireland ...

Is there ANYTHING you can write about that isn't so mockable when depending your 'stances' ?   'Sorry' if you were suggesting a bigoted Proddie ...

BIG fail on your part







Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2019, 03:25:22 AM
I don't know that FSU women ever all wanted to go to North America.  The idea of uprooting themselves and moving far away from all that is familiar to them was never that appealing to them.  Many would have been happy to find a German or Scandinavian spouse so they could return home to see the family easier.  Things might change if they have a friend or relative in your home country, but then be careful that she is really interested in long term marriage, and not just a ticket out.

Our Strider is 'at it', again

I work with many young Russians and you would be shocked at the number who want out - I was - I thought VVP had instilled pride - but it seems after SO long in power and corruption being the main gripe ( according to poll after poll in the Sber Bank 'Ivanov index'  - he has lost cred amongst most smart folk.

'ticket out' ?  Certainly not by using a westerner as Strider 'suggests'  .... Sure there are some who might - but it is not the majority


Is there ANYTHING you can write about that isn't so mockable when depending 'defending' your 'stances' ?   

Spotted my spelling howler, too late
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 22, 2019, 07:52:30 AM
My great, great grandparents were "Ruthenians".  They referred to themselves as "rus"  They also referred to themselves as "Ukrainians".  That was in the mid 1800's, and it was not unusual at the time, nor later, up to the 1920's. 

The Ukrainian nationalist movement in Galicia was a political movement of mostly, poor peasant ethnic Ruthenians led by the Greek Catholic clergy.  Other Ruthenians, particularly the better educated, those who had intermarried with the Poles more recently, and particularly the Carpo-Rusyns who continue to have a different language, rejected the Ukrainian nationalist movement.  Since the Ukrainian nationalist movement in Galicia began only around 1815 and it took years for the elites to decide on a course of standardizing the literary language in Cyrillic based on the language much further East, it would have been extremely unusual for you to have had great-great-grandparents who had identified themselves as “Ukrainians” in Galicia in the mid 1800's as you have stated.  In the preface to Galicia: A Multicultured Land editors Magosci and Hahn take pains to note that they did not use the term “Ukrainians” to refer Galicia's Ruthenians before 1914, “"Ukrainian” implies that the given East Slavic population (or portion thereof) had adopted a clear Ukrainian national identity.  This process was a gradual one that occurred during the late nineteenth century and first decades of the twentieth century.” (pg. ix)  So, unless you are descended from the elite Ruthenians who were in the clergy, please forgive me if I don't believe your statement.

According to the last census of the Second Polish Republic in 1931, 3,221,975 people, (10.10% of the population) most closely identified themselves with the Ukrainian, language, while 1,219,647 (3.82% of the population) had identified themselves with the Ruthenian language.  Clearly, on the eve of WWII, all Ruthenians had not considered themselves Ukrainians, and Polish historians have reported Ruthenian accounts of Bandera's fascists using ethnic violence or the threat of it, against Ruthenians who were rejecting the Ukrainian nationalist movement.

I know a lot of Ukrainians who emigrated to Canada from Galicia, from the first immigrant families to after WWII.  They all referred to themselves as "Ukrainian", and those that came in the interwar period, or as WWII refugees, had the highest level of national consciousness of all - probably more so than Ukrainians in Ukraine today.  So this idea being propagated that "Ukrainians" did not self identify as such is nonsense.

Take it up with Magosci and Hahn.  They are very well respected on that point.  From my search of the records at Ellis Island, only my great-grandfather's first cousin, (whom I remember as he died when I was a teen-ager, and he was not the only family member I remember who was born in Galicia), had declared that he was a “Ukrainian” upon arrival in 1907.  He was just a teen himself at the time escaping mandatory military service at 21.  What is curious is that both his mother, and his step-mother/aunt (the aunt married the father when the mother died in childbirth or something similar as was the custom) were both Roman Catholics, and therefore according the “experts” in academia, both ethnic Poles.  So “Uncle Alex” as we called him, declared himself to be a Ukrainian, despite the fact that his “mother tongue” was plainly Polish.  My cousins on that side of the family use Polish words to refer to family members, and my great uncle told me that his parents [my Polish great-grandparents] used Ukrainian words mixed into their dialect of Polish.  One point worth noting is that “Uncle Alex” was a farmer known for forcing the dog to drink alcohol.  This was his idea of fun.  My great-grandfather was a skilled cabinet maker who worked in a locomotive factory.  One may see a broader pattern in that...

Now my great-grandmother had a father who was a Ruthenian and Greek Catholic.  He married my great-great-grandmother who was a Roman Catholic, and presumably, therefore an ethnic Pole in modern thought.  (The people of Galicia had intermarried for centuries, so who was what remains somewhat arbitrary since in such mixed marriages the children traditionally took the religion of their same-sex parent.  However, modern academic “experts” have declared they know somehow based on religion and so-called “mother tongue”, notwithstanding the fact that ethnicity and nationality had been determined paternally.)  So, I just now searched the database at /www.libertyellisfoundation.org for my great-great-grandfather's surname as I know we had some cousins who came to the U.S.  In the results from 1820 to 1918, there are 24 people with that last name who identified themselves as “Ruthenian” upon arrival, not “Ukrainian”.  Of the 24, eight are from the family village in Galicia, (and most certainly my distant cousins) which was also home to Vasyl Mudry, a famous Ukrainian in pre-war Poland who served as editor of the largest Ukrainian language newspaper of the time, and became the deputy-speaker of the Polish Sejm and remained loyal to Poland when the Soviets invaded in 1939:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasyl_Mudry

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To quote Mark Twain, ““Faith is believing what you know ain't so.”

Yeah, I always got the impression our Mobe could be an British MI5/IRA commander double agent who went super grass for both sides and then even confused himself what side he was on, commited to a psychiatric mental hospital from which he prompty eascaped to Cyprus to do iffy Saterlite TV set up in return for questionable Russian language tuition, lol :cheesy:

Well, he plainly isn't ethnically Irish.  The “weakness of the Irish” is well known, but they aren't known for having such psychiatric problems or personality disorders.  He certainly doesn't sing the Skye Boat Song and get all choked up thinking about Bonnie Prince Charlie like a proper Jacobist.  No Orangist would do that.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2019, 08:53:16 AM
Yet more, revisionism from Strider..((

I'll leave our  Ukraine expert to tear the sexual and historically 'incorrect' howlers re UA,



Well, he plainly isn't ethnically Irish.

Hmm, your historical knowledge doesn't extend to recent Anglo-Irish accords of historical fact, either ?  :ROFL:

I have always been entitled to Irish Citizenship being born on the island - according to the previous constitution - before the Good Friday agreement and the UK govt respect the right of a resident of Northern Ireland to chose to be Irish ... There's been a recent High Court ruling on the matter given an Irish citizen - resident in N.Ireland - born in N.Ireland - never having had a UK passport - used the EU route to bring in her US husband - rather than using the the UK national immigration route ...

You'll forgive me - but when it comes to immigrations laws in the UK / Ireland - I have practical experience ... involving challenging the state as to the legality of it's 'laws' and their implementation ..


Ooops ...  Strider fails, again

The “weakness of the Irish” is well known, but they aren't known for having such psychiatric problems or personality disorders.  He certainly doesn't sing the Skye Boat Song and get all choked up thinking about Bonnie Prince Charlie like a proper Jacobist.  No Orangist would do that.

1/ I wasn't around in 1567 to 1625 

2/ I love the song

3/ What is your 'qualification' to judge my 'psychiatric problems or personality disorders' ?  :popcorn:




Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 22, 2019, 10:34:35 AM
From my search of the records at Ellis Island, only my great-grandfather's first cousin, (whom I remember as he died when I was a teen-ager, and he was not the only family member I remember who was born in Galicia), had declared that he was a “Ukrainian” upon arrival in 1907.  He was just a teen himself at the time escaping mandatory military service at 21.  What is curious is that both his mother, and his step-mother/aunt (the aunt married the father when the mother died in childbirth or something similar as was the custom) were both Roman Catholics, and therefore according the “experts” in academia, both ethnic Poles.  So “Uncle Alex” as we called him, declared himself to be a Ukrainian, despite the fact that his “mother tongue” was plainly Polish.  My cousins on that side of the family use Polish words to refer to family members, and my great uncle told me that his parents used Ukrainian words mixed into their dialect of Polish. 

Interesting. Uncle Alex declared himself "Ukrainian" even though he was probably Polish.  He also said his parents used Ukrainian words.

If "Ukraine" was not in the consciousness of people like Uncle Alex and his parents, why did he refer to it?  Did he just make it up from his own imagination, like Tolkien did with Middle Earth?


Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 22, 2019, 11:29:31 AM
Interesting. Uncle Alex declared himself "Ukrainian" even though he was probably Polish.  He also said his parents used Ukrainian words.
If "Ukraine" was not in the consciousness of people like Uncle Alex and his parents, why did he refer to it?  Did he just make it up from his own imagination, like Tolkien did with Middle Earth?

Well his father was a Ruthenian and Greek Catholic, thus he called himself a Ukrainian in the new style of his times.  He certainly could speak some Polish, as well as Ukrainian/Ruthenian.  The local language was a mixture of both.  They learned the formal Polish and Ukrainian languages in the schools.  What they spoke at home was a matter of personal choice.  My best friend's father also came from the area, but born a bit later in the 1930's.  He would answer to Polish, Ruthenian or Ukrainian and was also bilingual.  His first wife was Ukrainian and his second wife was Polish.  My point is that putting labels on people in such mixed regions can get rather silly.  The human rights point is that these people were not given a choice.  Those who were too Polish for Stalin and his commies, at best got shipped out first to Siberia and Kazakhstan, and later to former German territories.  The Ruthenians might have suffered the same fate if they were too prosperous, and most learned to shut up due to the threats from the UPA and the commies.  There most certainly were ethnic Ruthenians for whom being Catholic and living in a Catholic nation was more important than education in a literary language which was not quite their own from hundreds of miles away.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2019, 12:05:59 PM
The intellectual elite were the ones who established the programs that encouraged Ukrainian national identity.  But, most of them weren't willing to spend their lives in the countryside, so they passed on developed programs to local priests.  However, the movement of Ukrainian national identity in Galicia was always steered by intellectuals, not the peasantry.  Some things that worked in urban settings, such as artist collectives, failed among the peasantry.


A good book on the early originals of national consciousness in the region is John-Paul Himka's Galician Villagers and the National Movement in the Nineteenth Century.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 22, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
I would recommend Jan Kozik's, Ukrainian National Movement in Galicia: 1815-1849 (1986).  Kozik explores the foundation of the novel Ukrainian movement in Galicia.  Reviewed here:
http://academic.oup.com/ahr/article-abstract/92/4/1001/157359?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Apparently many Ukrainian historians have neglected that ethnogenisis and the debate about creating the modern Ukrainian language perhaps because the intellectual elite to which Boethius refers had much of that discussion in Polish!

Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2019, 12:32:38 PM
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Apparently many Ukrainian historians have neglected that ethnogenisis and the debate about creating the modern Ukrainian language perhaps because the intellectual elite to which Boethius refers had much of that discussion in Polish!


LOL.  All of the historians I read are leaders in their fields, and are not "Ukrainian".  All of them can read Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, usually French and German.

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Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Strider on February 22, 2019, 02:20:25 PM
A good book on the early originals of national consciousness in the region is John-Paul Himka's Galician Villagers and the National Movement in the Nineteenth Century.

LOL.  All of the historians I read are leaders in their fields, and are not "Ukrainian".  All of them can read Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, usually French and German.

Really?
 :D

Quote from: Wikipedia
As a historian Himka was a Marxist in the 1970s-80s...
...Himka is of mixed ethnic background, Ukrainian (on father's side) and Italian (on mother's). Initially he wanted to become a Greek Catholic priest and studied at St. Basil Seminary in Stamford, Connecticut. However, due to the radicalization of his political views to the left by the end of the 1960s he did not pursue that vocation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John-Paul_Himka

Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 22, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
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Really?


Yes.  Really.  I know Himka from academic circles.  His mother died when he was a child, and he was raised by his paternal grandmother, which is where his love of history arose, and why he speaks fluent Ukrainian.  He also reads Russian, Polish, German, Italian, French, and a few other languages.


While a student at the University of Chicago, he became a Marxist.  Studying history, he found his true passion.


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Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
Is this where I mention that I use Irish Spring soap when showering?
or is it off topic?

NOTE: The word Irish is posted which means that Moby has an opinion
AND a correction.

Title: re Irish spring soap
Post by: msmob on February 22, 2019, 07:17:51 PM
Never heard of it - or used it - or seen it on sale - in Ireland ........   A little like ' Top of the mornin' .... 



I expect its sales to rise exponentially, now ;)

Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 23, 2019, 05:26:30 AM
It's strange all this family history I knew my father's parents history and my mother's father history but my Jewish Belarus grandmother history was never talked about.  It was only when my relatives started researching the family tree. My grandmother her 2 sisters and parents arrived by ship and just settled where they landed by ship.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 23, 2019, 05:36:28 AM
The other day T and I were driving to go visit my sister.  We were getting on I-90 near Worcester when T turned to me with a puzzled look. She said, “Babe, I thought ‘pike’ was a fish.”
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 23, 2019, 07:07:58 AM
Pike is a fish.  It's also a weapon 10 to 25 feet long.  I never understood the usa pike road.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2019, 07:23:04 AM
Turnpike origin:

One faced a turned  pike - sharp bladed 'pike' on a shaft ( stick) until one paid up - upon which one's way was 'clear' and the barrier raised

They are toll roads in UK English

Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: John Gaunt on February 23, 2019, 07:48:45 AM
Turnpike origin:

One faced a turned  pike - sharp bladed 'pike' on a shaft ( stick) until one paid up - upon which one's way was 'clear' and the barrier raised

They are toll roads in UK English
What on earth is UK English?
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 23, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
I suspect he means British vs American use of language - hood=bonnet, apartment=flat, etc.  I won't include "fag". :)

Where I live, pike (or more accurately, northern pike) are ubiquitous.  But the only person I know who refers to them as pike is the better half.  Locals call them "jackfish".

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Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: BdHvA on February 23, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
A Pike is an abbreviation for Pickerel in North America. In Holland they are called Snook. Take care they have sharp teeth and a good bite.

Great game fish on a fly rod. Miserable eating in my opinion.

The Pickerel is of the same family as the Walleye.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 23, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
No, pike and pickerel are two different fish, albeit from the same family.  Pike are bigger, and have less spotting,

Some people refer to walleye as pickerel, but that is inaccurate.  Pickerel are not found in western North America. 

I never knew much about fish until the better half arrived here.  I can know identify which fish are in which rivers and lakes across the province, and in BC.

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Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Maxx2 on February 23, 2019, 09:04:32 PM
Is this where I mention that I use Irish Spring soap when showering?
or is it off topic?

NOTE: The word Irish is posted which means that Moby has an opinion
AND a correction.


It is good soap. Green color. It's supposed to smell like Ireland. I don't know what Ireland smells like. When Moby gets here I'll give him a sniff and let you know if it does.  ;D
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 24, 2019, 12:40:17 AM
 Pike in UK grow to 46 lbs.  As a kid we used to catch 25 lb ones all the time.  We had aluminium jacks to open their mouths to get the lures back.  I've seen them pull down malard ducks and bite fiberglass lures in half.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 24, 2019, 12:46:59 AM
Ireland smells of peat bog.  Peat fires.  And Guinness.   Many of Their women are highly educated  and despite my best efforts I never dated one properly.  Actually sounds like a good men's fragrance peat and guinness
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 24, 2019, 05:52:11 AM
Pike in UK grow to 46 lbs.  As a kid we used to catch 25 lb ones all the time.  We had aluminium jacks to open their mouths to get the lures back.  I've seen them pull down malard ducks and bite fiberglass lures in half.

Can go to ... that's the UK record..

I showed that  to a Russian and he laughed - THAT SMALL ?

Even the N.America and  the Germans have bigger ones ;)

http://www.luckylures.nl/esox_lucius_record.php (http://www.luckylures.nl/esox_lucius_record.php)

Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 24, 2019, 07:30:33 AM
As a kid it was a boys own adventure to go pike fishing in the river as once you caught and landed the beast then you had to get your lure back and let the monster go.  I'm told by friends they taste like mud and are full of bones
Title: Polish Women and Virginity as it relates to Hindi Bugle Boys
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2019, 12:35:32 PM
It is good soap. Green color. It's supposed to smell like Ireland. I don't know what Ireland smells like.
When Moby gets here I'll give him a sniff and let you know if it does.  ;D

I was doing my tongue in cheek thing again trying to post something completely and totally
off topic while the peanut gallery were explaining their heritages. Like "I'm 1/32 Hindi Bugle
boy on my mothers side twice removed  and that's why I know about ________________
(list topic that they want to claim expertise in here)

I posted something with the word Irish in it because Moby will comment on it 100% of the time
to make some sort of correction because he must.

Back on the topic of selling scented soap with Irish accents and flute music. They had commercials
in the 1970's about scented soap, with all the fake Irish stuff like a Lucky Charms commercial.
I actually do use the soap because I like it and not because I'm 1/64 Ballaghnatrillick Irish on
Mothers side and and 1/32 Cloontyprocklis Irish on my Fathers side.

Having said all that, I actually like and use the soap.

http://youtu.be/zSUPEejzIUc

Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity as it relates to Hindi Bugle Boys
Post by: msmob on February 24, 2019, 12:46:34 PM

I actually do use the soap because I like it and not because I'm 1/64 Ballaghnatrillick Irish on
Mothers side and and 1/32 Cloontyprocklis Irish on my Fathers side.


Thank GOD for that - because it's as 'Oirish as DaveNY  is not Sting 123 ;)
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 24, 2019, 01:31:44 PM
As a kid it was a boys own adventure to go pike fishing in the river as once you caught and landed the beast then you had to get your lure back and let the monster go.  I'm told by friends they taste like mud and are full of bones


Where I live, northern pike (jackfish) are viewed as a junk fish.  But foreigners view them as a delicacy.  They don't taste like mud, they have a delicate flavour.  However, I agree, they have a lot of fine bones. 


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 24, 2019, 02:18:45 PM
Ok I'll try eating a pike then.  Maybe it's carp that taste of mud.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: BdHvA on February 24, 2019, 02:20:20 PM

Where I live, northern pike (jackfish) are viewed as a junk fish.  But foreigners view them as a delicacy.  They don't taste like mud, they have a delicate flavour.  However, I agree, they have a lot of fine bones. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Pike/Pickerel are C & R*. But are amongst the best sport fish.

Personally I do not care for the taste. But in some countries including France they are considered a delicacy. Yes carp often taste of mud or silt.

I should point out this entire thread is becoming fishy and it has nothing to do with virginity.

* C & R~ Catch & Release
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Boethius on February 24, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
Hmm, I think determining the "best" sport fish is rather subjective. 


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SteveInBoston on February 24, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
T made the comment partly from confusion of the highway name and partly because she likes pike caviar and looked up the fish name when we had it during the holidays.  It was the 2nd most expensive behind sturgeon caviar.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Jamesukjames on February 24, 2019, 11:12:37 PM
In a msmob moment I must inform you that caviar only comes from sturgeon fish.   The rest is just roe.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Maxx2 on February 24, 2019, 11:31:44 PM
In a msmob moment I must inform you that caviar only comes from sturgeon fish.   The rest is just roe.


And VERY good for those on a ketogenic diet. Lots of omega-3s to fight inflammation! Fish eggs are considerably cheaper here in the FSU.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Maxx2 on February 24, 2019, 11:35:07 PM

I should point out this entire thread is becoming fishy and it has nothing to do with virginity.



Unless virgins smell like fish. I have no experience there. Perhaps some of our posters here known for their lack of knowledge of women could tell us?


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: SANDRO43 on February 25, 2019, 06:53:33 AM
Fish eggs are a delicacy appreciated since the 10th century by the Byzantine Greeks, who started large-scale trading between their Empire and Kievan Rus'.

Roe is produced by several families of fish like the Acipenseridae and Scaphirhynchinae which include various types of sturgeon, and is used to make caviar in a lot of countries where rivers abound in sturgeons or have water farms.

Not as popular as caviar is the Italian delicacy of bottarga, the eggs of grey mullet or bluefin tuna.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Bottarga.jpg/250px-Bottarga.jpg) (http://static.buttalapasta.it/r/1420X0/www.buttalapasta.it/img/spaghetti-con-bottarga-2.jpg)

Sprinkled on spaghetti it makes them very savoury ;D.
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: msmob on February 25, 2019, 11:16:20 AM
In a msmob moment I must inform you that caviar only comes from sturgeon fish.   The rest is just roe.

Moby moment time ....   

You might like to reconsider your information...

"Traditionally, the term caviar refers only to roe from wild sturgeon in the Caspian Sea and Black Sea (Beluga, Ossetra and Sevruga caviars). Depending on the country, caviar may also be used to describe the roe of other species of sturgeon or other fish such as salmon, steelhead, trout, lumpfish, whitefish, or carp."

Source: Wki

Title: Polish Women and Virginity as it relates to Hindi Bugle Boys
Post by: 2tallbill on February 25, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Thank GOD for that - because it's as 'Oirish as DaveNY  is not Sting 123 ;)

You're feuding with at least 25% of the active forum most of the time and today it's
DaveNY's turn, but I'm not going to be dragged into it. I looked at the Member list and
there wasn't any Sting 123 listed. Are you doing your cross fora scrapping again?

Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: krimster2 on February 25, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
next thing ya know someone will say that I'm actually Russian and work for George Soros, hahahahaha
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity as it relates to Hindi Bugle Boys
Post by: msmob on February 25, 2019, 05:38:58 PM
You're feuding with at least 25% of the active forum most of the time and today it's
DaveNY's turn, but I'm not going to be dragged into it. I looked at the Member list and
there wasn't any Sting 123 listed. Are you doing your cross fora scrapping again?

Best assume the 2nd 'wise'  monkey..... Right over your head, Beel

Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: 2tallbill on February 26, 2019, 11:57:03 AM
next thing ya know someone will say that I'm actually Russian and work for George Soros, hahahahaha

My wife and several of her friends ARE Russian and they singlehandedly caused
Hillary to lose by putting up baby photos on Facebook.
Title: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: Brianbinny on March 07, 2019, 04:45:07 AM
Well after a skim of the how to use SoP section it looks interesting and not too hard.

So do you use separate SoP classes, converted standard Pathfinder classes, or both?
Title: Re: Polish Women and Virginity
Post by: ML on March 07, 2019, 10:23:07 AM

Unless virgins smell like fish.

Any woman can . . . if they don't wash PROPERLY a specific place.
Title: Spammer
Post by: 2tallbill on March 07, 2019, 12:00:05 PM
Well after a skim of the how to use SoP section it looks interesting and not too hard.

So do you use separate SoP classes, converted standard Pathfinder classes, or both?


Spammer!

I think a search of this persons IP address and then a Google search of that will result
in a spammer.