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The golfer Tiger Woods is arguably the world's most famous athlete (and very wealthy). He was involved in a suspicious car accident last week and received some bruises and cuts to his head, enough to keep him from playing golf in a tournament important to him.
The general opinion is that his wife Elin hit him with a golf club upon learning of his ongoing affairs with more than one woman. Tiger said she did not. If he had said she hit him, she would have been arrested and jailed for domestic violence.
A summary can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Woods#Car_accident_and_alleged_affairs
What is the RW opinion regarding:
1. Tiger's extramarital affairs while having a beautiful wife at home with two children: a baby and a toddler.
2. If you were married to Tiger, what would have been your reaction upon learning of the affairs?
3. What would you do now, after the accident? (If you divorced him now you would have received significant money but very small to what you receive if you stay married to him. Supposedly Elin is now renegotiang her prenup.)
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What I found amazing when first dating RW is that a few (not many) volunteered that it was acceptable for a husband to cheat as long as he continued to provide for his family. Such sentiment stunned me.
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(If you divorced him now you would have received significant money but very small to what you receive if you stay married to him. Supposedly Elin is now renegotiang her prenup.)
Just for the ladies information, Tiger may not be offering an insane amount of money to prove his love for his wife. Many of his product endorsement contracts have morals clauses and he stands to lose more money if his image is tarnished. So the question Gator asked of you can have different answers depending on if you think the money is offered to prove his true love or if it's to protect his image for selfish reasons.
I have a question. If your husband(Tiger) cheated on you and you accepted the money and/or forgave him, how could you live with a man who already decided he needed to get his sexual desires/fantasies fulfilled elsewhere? Tiger's situation isn't one where he made one mistake because he was drunk for one night and forgiving him would be easier. He had an ongoing lengthy affair and possibly from multiple women. How could you stay in a marriage if you felt your man is not physically attracted to you? Sex will never be the same. Does the money help ease the pain? Brave Girl!! Where you at?
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Pre and postpartum depression. Mix in a good bit of 'I' and the formula is complete.
They'll probably work things out if the press leaves them alone.
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What I found amazing when first dating RW is that a few (not many) volunteered that it was acceptable for a husband to cheat as long as he continued to provide for his family. Such sentiment stunned me.
I wouldn't know what the average RW would think but Masha Lopatova (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=778532), wife of the Utah Jazz basketball player Andrei Kirilenko, publically stated that it is OK with her if her husband had sex with another woman every year. Apparently, with this setup, she doesn't think it's cheating since she is aware of it - so it makes it OK.
As for TW:
1. MSN would have it that TW have more affair than Titleist have balls.
2. Their neighbor's 911 taped stated that, Tiger was actually 'asleep' inside the SUV, not necessarily unconscious. When asked to define what being asleep meant, he said Tiger was actually snoring! (LOL)
3. Two slogans are going to get blown to bits after this...Nike's 'Just Do It! and Vegas' What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas!'.
4. When Kobe Bryant got tagged with his affair, he simply bought his wife a 5 million dollar 'rare' pink diamond ring.
5. Tiger, for his stature, sure have bad taste in women - except Elin of course. So far, the other women are nothing more than skanks. You would think he'd know better than to hang out at Planet Hollywood to fish.
Question for you Gator:
The FHP oversaw the accident investigation in this event...maybe you can shed some light on this thing because I was surprised about this when I first heard the news.
TW's mansion is located inside an enclosed private community. The accident happend just outside his property's gate. Why is the Florida Highway Patrol involved in the investigation?
In California, the California Highway Patrol's jurisdiction is isolated in the state's highway and freeway systems. Any event requiring police investigation is determined by the local enforcement force e.g. if inside city limits - city police department; if county - sheriff's department; and highways - CHPs. I thought this was true on all 50 states thus I'm surprised the FHP was involved. Can you shed a light on this?
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What is the RW opinion regarding:
1. Tiger's extramarital affairs while having a beautiful wife at home with two children: a baby and a toddler.
2. If you were married to Tiger, what would have been your reaction upon learning of the affairs?
3. What would you do now, after the accident? (If you divorced him now you would have received significant money but very small to what you receive if you stay married to him. Supposedly Elin is now renegotiang her prenup.)
1. Very-very bad boy.
2. A big-big scandal, filing for divorce. Would not think twice about his "reputation" ;)
3. Would hire the best laywers and get as much money out of this divorce as possible. Actually, this may be what she is doing now: renegotiate the prenup for a much higher amount and then divorce at the first opportunity. Whatever it takes.
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1. Very-very bad boy.
2. A big-big scandal, filing for divorce. Would not think twice about his "reputation" ;)
3. Would hire the best laywers and get as much money out of this divorce as possible. Actually, this may be what she is doing now: renegotiate the prenup for a much higher amount and then divorce at the first opportunity. Whatever it takes.
..for better or worse, sickness and health.. until.. the lawyers knock on your door.
It's only sex.
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From what I read the new terms of the prenup will give her 5 million right now if she stays married to him and the amount she will get if the marriage lasts goes from 60 million if the marriage lasts 10 years to 75 million with a shorter time frame. They have begun marriage councelling.
Is it only me who sort of sees a paralell with prostitution here. She is being paid 5 million for staying his wife and 75 million if she stays married a little longer. My ideas of love and marriage are not compatable with paying someone to stay married to me.
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Turbo,
Marriage is a contract, agreement, deal, whatever you want to call it.
Yours too.
A wise man once told me 'In the end, we're all prostitutes to someone, somewhere.. sex, work, whatever.. it's all the same.. Success in business is being able to treat everyone else like a prostitute.'
No, Woodie and his wife are simply a couple in trouble with the deal they made, but now have to come back down to earth and start talking family values.
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GQ, State Highway patrol usually have jurisdiction over all state roads because state money usually goes for paying for it. In my State the highway patrol does have the right to issue out tickets in city and county limits. Normally they don't tread over onto city or county cops turf since those other cops are there anyway for public safety and making money on traffic violations. Highway cops make enough money on the highways they patrol so it's best they don't get rude. Why the FHP was at Tiger's house instead of county or city cops is beyond me.
Anybody wanna get Tiger in more trouble? Gator, go hire one of those stripper-o-grams in a police uniform and send her over to Tiger's house. I wonder which iron Elin will choose for this event? My sister did that to my step father for a joke. The cop knocked on the door, asked some questions and wanted to arrest him. After he refused, she took off her clothes up to her underwear and bra to persuade him.
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"It's only sex"
BC's statement says it all. Love and fidelity do not always go hand in hand. I have always been of the opinion that there are two types of men in the world; Those that are faithful and those that are not. Cheaters will always cheat until maybe when they get caught.
Gators OP brings to mind Lena's words to me when we were parting after my second meeting with her. We were in love and had been intimate when she told me that she did not expect me to be celibate when I returned to the States. She said she knew men "needed" to have sex whereas women could do without. (Not that I agree with either principal or that she didn't have a change of mind on the second part later in life.) But she was making the distinction between sex and love.
Not to justify what he did, but a man's opportunities for sexual favors are relative to his wealth or power. Tiger is one of the wealthiest athletes in the world and "owns" the sport of golf. Slick Willy was one of the most powerful men in the world when he had his fling.
I agree that none of the women hold a candle to Tiger's wife in the beauty department, but the gal from Vegas (the first one) is rather sexy. But it is the allure of being a bad boy that is the real bait in cheating. Or maybe Elin is a prude in bed?
KenC
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My wife and I have had this converstation a few times when we were bored, and her take is that if I cheat on her because I have strong feelings for another woman, she'll be devastated and our marriage would be kaput. However, if I did it spontaneously and simply for enjoyment, she'd be angry and hurt but we could probably overcome it.
I'm amused at the many cliches guys spout after spending a few weeks in Russia or Ukraine, but one thing I've concluded is that in general many FSU people think of love and sex as very distinct elements.
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..for better or worse, sickness and health.. until.. the lawyers knock on your door.
It's only sex.
Not to me. It's betrayal of trust and automatically frees me of all the mariiage vows.
How's that for a typical Russian Woman? ;D
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I can recall reading one time long ago that would go along with what Groov said. It was that women worry more about the emotional side of cheating. That for instance if a woman found her husband had used a hooker or even a few hookers she could forgive him easier than she could if he had a an affair where he felt he was in love with the woman even if there was no sex.
Men on the other hand get more concerned with the physical aspect of it. I think the thought of another man's tool in his toolbox would bother him more than if she had a romance that was hot with lots of feelings but no sex.
I guess love and sex are two different things but it is always better when they are the same thing.
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Not to me. It's betrayal of trust and automatically frees me of all the mariiage vows.
How's that for a typical Russian Woman? ;D
I like your way of thinking. It's sexy
I've already taken some heat and I'm sure a few posters think I'm a bad guy for dating a few ladies at the same time but when I had a relationship with my ex fiancee, although she lived on the other side of the World, I never cheated on her. How could I? I was on this forum every night.
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Why the FHP was at Tiger's house instead of county or city cops is beyond me.
Yes Billy, I found it odd too that the FHP was the investigating force. I thought maybe it was because their estate community was facing a state road but the reports said it happened inside the private community.
As for TW's negotiating team's offering..I hope Elin (http://specials.msn.com/A-List/Tiger-Woods-scandal.aspx?cp-searchtext=Tiger%20Woods%20scandal>1=36010) don't bite. Tiger, outside of his multi-million dollars sponsor earnings, made 9.8+ million (http://web.tigerwoods.com/onTour/scheduleAndResults) on PGA prize money last year alone. That doesn't include the 10 million for winning the Fed-Ex cup, the 3 million dollar JBWere appearance fee, and all the rest of the tournament appearance fees he gets paid for. All told 50 million for golf tournament related purse.
Reports speculate his camp is paying Rachel a cool million to shut her mouth. Too funny! That doesn't even pay for Gloria Allred's annual Botox lifts...10 million is likely the range so offering Elin 5 million to stay in their marriage is asinine even with the 75 million caveat.
She needs a McCartney-esque type of settlement.
David Beckham better pay attention to this silliness, too. As TW didn't learn anything from Letterman, Jeter, Bryant, et al...
This is worst than hitting a snowman on the 18th at Augusta on a Sunday afternoon. What a duffer! Everytime my wife and I had gone on these tournaments, it is mind-numbing how many gorgeous women are on the course. I remember an interview with Fred Couples (my favorite player) and Payne Stewart about the birdies outside the courses in every tournament.
Life on the fast lanes do have an odd way of taking you to the other side fairly quickly.
More on Tiger - In a word: TRANSGRESSIONS (lol)
Can be found here: transgressions (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/301210-rating-tiger-woods-transgressions-kalika-moquin-pics-and-more#page/1)
Ratings of Tiger's 'transgressions', Top Late Night hosts shot at Tiger (Conan's and Kimmel's the best), Top 10 best jokes so far...
9. After a wayward drive, Tiger Woods found water before nestling behind a tree
10: Apparently, the only person who can beat Tiger Woods with a golf club is his wife
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It's so fun when people start discussing celebrities' personal lives ;) You weren't there - how can you know that all this is true? :) May be it's our hot political season which made me absolutely suspicious about every bit of information from newspapers etc :) But if to imagine this virtual situation with poor Tiger:
What is the RW opinion regarding:
1. Tiger's extramarital affairs while having a beautiful wife at home with two children: a baby and a toddler.
Who knows what kind of relationship they've really had? ;)
2. If you were married to Tiger, what would have been your reaction upon learning of the affairs?
I would divorce him immediately.
3. What would you do now, after the accident? (If you divorced him now you would have received significant money but very small to what you receive if you stay married to him. Supposedly Elin is now renegotiang her prenup.)
Divorcing, I'd make sure that he'll be providing our children, so that they could have the best clothes, the best food and toys, etc., and the best education when they grow up. The rest depends on how good it was to be his wife :)
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Gators OP brings to mind Lena's words to me when we were parting after my second meeting with her. We were in love and had been intimate when she told me that she did not expect me to be celibate when I returned to the States. She said she knew men "needed" to have sex whereas women could do without.
My wife and I have had this converstation a few times when we were bored, and her take is that if I cheat on her because I have strong feelings for another woman, she'll be devastated and our marriage would be kaput. However, if I did it spontaneously and simply for enjoyment, she'd be angry and hurt but we could probably overcome it.
Wow, guys, may be you were really lucky to find such wives. I would never say that. "Men can't live without sex and women can"? Every common person wants sex and at the same time can live without sex with other people, if he/she has real feelings and if his/her beloved partner is unavailable for this particular moment. We're not animals - we have not just biological needs but also feelings. Of course people do mistakes sometimes, and everything depends on the situation and so on. But if to "allow", so to say, your partner to have sex with anybody just because you're far away, why get married at all?
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What is the RW opinion regarding:
1. Tiger's extramarital affairs while having a beautiful wife at home with two children: a baby and a toddler.
2. If you were married to Tiger, what would have been your reaction upon learning of the affairs?
3. What would you do now, after the accident? (If you divorced him now you would have received significant money but very small to what you receive if you stay married to him. Supposedly Elin is now renegotiang her prenup.)
1. degrading, dishonest.
2. in case with no kids - offer threesome if his lovers are attractive. In case with kids - divorce and take what is lawfully appropriate (e.g. - as much as possible).
3. i do not know.
Generally - I think it's none of our business what's going on in private life of athletes. Let them live.
P.S. sometimes i am joking with a serious face - don't be misguided.
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It's so fun when people start discussing celebrities' personal lives ;) You weren't there - how can you know that all this is true? :) May be it's our hot political season which made me absolutely suspicious about every bit of information from newspapers etc :) But if to imagine this virtual situation with poor Tiger:
I doubt this to be a virtual situation with Tiger. Too many news agencies/magazines can get sued and as anxious as Tiger is to clean up his name, he would do it if it were all untrue. As of now, the news agencies are not afraid of getting sued. Just as Monica kept the semen stained dress courtesy of Bill Clinton, one of Tiger's mistresses has kept some of the text messages Tiger sent her. Tiger can talk nasty. ;) Tiger's mistresses can make tons of money if they talk or provide more evidence and that's why Tiger may offer a bribe to shut them up.
Celebrities can't pick an choose when they want to be in the spotlight. Good or bad they are in it. If they don't like the attention, they should stop being a celebrity.
My prediction is Elin will accept the cash to continue being his wife for a few more years. Tiger will continue to have endorsement deals that pay him the big bucks. Your kids will continue to buy Nike and other companies products because they want to be just like Tiger Woods.
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Generally - I think it's none of our business what's going on in private life of athletes. Let them live.
I agree, the real problem is that people (and not just Americans, this is pretty universal) tend to see great athletes and celebrities and assume, time and again, that they are as good at life as they are at hitting a little ball or posing for cameras. When they provide proof that they are not (and they always do), there's a frenzy to knock them down to size.
Due to my work I meet a lot of celebrities and most are completely out of touch with reality and emotionally stunted. Why people like to build them up as role models and then quickly beat them into the ground is something I'll never understand.
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Tiger, outside of his multi-million dollars sponsor earnings, made 9.8+ million (http://web.tigerwoods.com/onTour/scheduleAndResults) on PGA prize money last year alone. That doesn't include the 10 million for winning the Fed-Ex cup, the 3 million dollar JBWere appearance fee, and all the rest of the tournament appearance fees he gets paid for. All told 50 million for golf tournament related purse.
Funny enough, the only interesting part of this entire affair to me is that evidently Tiger was complaining to one of his mistresses that despite his wealth he still does not feel financially secure. :P
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Why people like to build them up as role models
Money. Companies offer athletes or celebrities to endorse their products but must maintain a clean image. Athlete/celebrity signs contract for 10 million knowing full well they can't stop commiting adultry, stop doing the drugs or driving under the influence of alcohol. They also know a camera is always on them so when they make a mistake, they get beat down. Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid. Even with the problems Tiger's going through, most guys could only wish to be in his shoes and have the life he lives. Maybe they'd be a little smarter and a little more responsible towards their family and kids.
Elin should go have herself checked out for diseases immediately. The affairs have been going on for years. Luckily the children weren't born with a disease.
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I think Elin is a 13 -- a 10 with a three iron. ;D :P
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Show me the most beautiful woman in the world, and I'll show you a guy who's tired of sleeping with her.
It always amazes me. Think Hugh Grant and Elizabeth Hurley. Denise Richards and Charlie Sheen (OK, she's a nutjob, and IMO he is also.)
I don't get it, frankly. But one sees it all the time.
Boredom?
Because he could?
Sex addict?
Who knows.
So he's good at golf. I bake a great pumpkin pie. Who cares. I don't get the hero worship thing.
In the end, he's still a lying, cheating, SOB.
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without discussing athletes for a moment; hollywood worked hard and spent money in the early days of the film industry to create stars. It was very rare pre 1920's for a stage performer to become "world famous" it happened, but it was rare. It was a necessity because it is easier to sell to a public a "valentino" film than it is a film about xxx. The "star" power was deemed a necessity to be able to put out a product in 2000 locations at one time that could draw people to the theater to see them.
As for the FHP, I have not lived in the Orlando area for a while, but if a town/city does not have it's own municipal police department then all disputes or calls would be handled either by the county sheriff or the state highway patrol. It would depend on what that community had worked out. Not sure what the deal is where he lived, only know that Orlando area is the "King" of all gated communities. They are like plants there. Drop a seed in the ground and "pop" out comes a new Golf course and a gated community, especially in a state with no state income taxes.
As for Tiger. I am curious to see what this does to his endorsement dollars. You can't sell yourself as perfect and then get away with this behavior. I really don't care what his reasons are. "Hey Dummy, you have the perfect life what the hell are you thinking?"
or to quote Bob Geldof "What the F**k is going on inside your head."
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Tiger's my man and golf is simply NOT the same without him in it. So I know I shouldn't be doing this, but some of the stuff that's already out are just too funny! Apparently someone already made a ringtone out of the voicemail Tiger made to Rachel. LOL!
...and this game (http://www.break.com/games/tiger-woods-wife-outrun.html) is just hysterical. I scored a 50 on my second try...
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1. He's a an idiot.
2. Throw his stuff out and call the best divorce lawyer I could find.
3. See Number 2. We should not reward stupidity.
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The golfer Tiger Woods is arguably the world's most famous athlete (and very wealthy). He was involved in a suspicious car accident last week and received some bruises and cuts to his head, enough to keep him from playing golf in a tournament important to him.
The general opinion is that his wife Elin hit him with a golf club upon learning of his ongoing affairs with more than one woman. Tiger said she did not. If he had said she hit him, she would have been arrested and jailed for domestic violence.
A summary can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Woods#Car_accident_and_alleged_affairs
What is the RW opinion regarding:
1. Tiger's extramarital affairs while having a beautiful wife at home with two children: a baby and a toddler.
2. If you were married to Tiger, what would have been your reaction upon learning of the affairs?
3. What would you do now, after the accident? (If you divorced him now you would have received significant money but very small to what you receive if you stay married to him. Supposedly Elin is now renegotiang her prenup.)
Private life is private life. All comments are just voyeurism. I hate the north american way to deal with that with people making public apologies. etc.
I don't care about people do in their life. TW is a golfer, let judge him on his golf performance (same for all men and other women).
If someone abuse law because of an affair, let him be judged on the law abuse, not because of the affair.
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I doubt this to be a virtual situation with Tiger. Too many news agencies/magazines can get sued and as anxious as Tiger is to clean up his name, he would do it if it were all untrue. As of now, the news agencies are not afraid of getting sued. Just as Monica kept the semen stained dress courtesy of Bill Clinton, one of Tiger's mistresses has kept some of the text messages Tiger sent her. Tiger can talk nasty. Wink Tiger's mistresses can make tons of money if they talk or provide more evidence and that's why Tiger may offer a bribe to shut them up.
Celebrities can't pick an choose when they want to be in the spotlight. Good or bad they are in it. If they don't like the attention, they should stop being a celebrity.
Well, but is he a voluntary celebrity? He's an athlete, not a Paris Hilton :) Yes, there certainly are people like Paris who live off gossips and extravagant behaviour, such people voluntary show their personal life in front of public. But athletes, singers, actors - why can't people just let them do their job? Besides, as I said it before, can you really know what kind of relationship he and his wife really have? What was their family life like? How much respect did they have to each other, being a husband and a wife? We don't know much - only the information which was published by yellow press :) So only virtual situation about TW can me imagined :)
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Tiger words net worth
Golf: 80 million
Endorsement money: 880 million.
Tiger woods profession is paid endorser. That is what he does. If he wanted to only play golf and be left alone then all he had to do was turn down the endorsement money. It's really that simple. For those who think its not. Springsteen turned down 12 million dollars for the use of "Born in the USA" from Chevy, and has turned down all other endorsement dollars. His political statements he does not get paid for. If you make 880 million dollars off of not just your golf ability, but your clean cut, Stanford educated, pretty wife with pretty kids Image. You cannot seriously be offended when people pull the curtain back to reveal that the wizard of the golf world is a goon and they get upset by it. If tiger wants to be left alone it was real simple, don't take the money.
Tiger is not just getting attention for having affairs, after all if John Daley did these things we wouldn't bat an eye. He is getting attention because these things conflict with the packaged media name both he, his agents, and the PGA have set up for him. Perhaps he didn't want it anymore and this was his way of getting out. I don't know I am not tiger, but I don't feel sorry for him. He created the mess he can deal with it. I'm sure if he gave away the 880 million dollars to charity tommorrow we would all forget about his escalade in 2 seconds.
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Well, but is he a voluntary celebrity? He's an athlete, not a Paris Hilton :) Yes, there certainly are people like Paris who live off gossips and extravagant behaviour, such people voluntary show their personal life in front of public. But athletes, singers, actors - why can't people just let them do their job?
Yes, because he *IS* a "voluntary celebrity". But it is not the golf that makes him one, but selling himself for endorsements to all so many corporations for 10X the amount he makes winning tournaments.
If he just played golf, and went home, then people should allow him his anonymity. But if he wishes to make a fortune as a spokesperson to what purchasing choices to make with our money (which pays his endorsement contracts), then he certainly should be open to scrutiny.
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why should he be open to scrutinity ? to satisfy your need of gossip ? To see that famous people are not so perfect ? I just find all of this insane. Probably a shock of culture (I am french).
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Because he created the mess he made. He created the image that he himself is tearing apart. Listen everyone deserves a modicum of privacy, but the public, as well as the companies that pay him deserve to know if he is worthy of thier adoration or not. All he had to do was play golf, and he didn't "have" to do that. He did not. He took 880 million dollars to sell us cars and shirts, and golf clubs, and whatever else he gets paid to endorse. He put himself in the public eye. Hell he's on my TV more than Paris hilton is.
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why should he be open to scrutinity ? to satisfy your need of gossip ? To see that famous people are not so perfect ? I just find all of this insane. Probably a shock of culture (I am french).
Subsitute Roman Polanski for Tiger Woods and you'll have a better understanding :-X
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you mix one man who raped a 13 years old girl and one who cheated his wife ? Your moral perspective are very strange....
To have an affair in France is seen as something totally private (like sexual orientation) even if the person is public. Do a little search on Felix Faure, Mazarine Pingeot and you will understand what I mean.
The worst that can happen is to have people laughing on you ...
(last case with former president Chirac) - video is in french but needs no word...the woman doing the speech is his wife..
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRnr2MF98h4&feature=related[/youtube]
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Actually, the only thing Tiger 'sells' is his golf, and he's darn good at it too. Arguably the best ever.
However, his endorsements are contractual. Contracts carry a commitment to carry and maintain a standard above everyone else. In a sense, he becomes the sponsor's top salesman. He took on an obligation to uphold that standard and earn the public's adoration, and more importantly, trust. The latest event is, in so many ways, a betrayal of that trust and abandoned adoration.
Do this give the public a pass to infringe in his private life? Absolutely not. Whether you agree with it or not - no one I know really has. Whatever you read, hear, or see today regarding this matter is the frenzied consumption of information, some real / some not, that unfortunately are already made public. That is the consequence of what may happen when you submit to reap the rewards of being in the public eye.
He sold himself to the public. Period.
Tiger is getting judged based on the image he made for himself today. Much the same way the public bought into, and the products he endorsed, the image he once portrayed.
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Tiger is one of the top golfers of all time, but his real money comes from his product endorsements and product advertising. These corporations want their product/service to be associated with a proven winner who had an absolutely fantastic PR image. The Tiger Brand. That is what the corporations buy for all their millions they lavish on him. For the public that Tiger Brand has lost its previous lustre. Tiger's image has changed. Now many will still see him as a a great golfer, but some will view him as a chump--especially if his "brand" needs to continue to buy off more ladies for their silence.
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you mix one man who raped a 13 years old girl and one who cheated his wife ? Your moral perspective are very strange....
My comment had nothing to do with the severity of their indiscretions, but the cult of celebrity. If you wish to criticize someone's moral perspective, I suggest you start with the French culture minister who similarly labeled Americans as philistines for trying to extradite a great artist like Polanski. He toned down his rhetoric though when the international press began to quote passages from his autobiography wherein he bragged about having sex with children in Thailand.
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Status of celebrity has nothing to do with private life. This approach is culturally more developed in US and Canada than in Europe. About french minister, please write about what you know. Did you read his book ? No. I did. He is a fine writer and it was a novel with autobiographic parts, not an autobiography and the comment was about sex with men in their 20 something when he was in his late 40. Should we say the same about members on this forum ?
The attack was coming from far right and pushed by old friends of him (he is leftist and part of a right government). It was successful even if not funded as even people in US seems to know about it now...
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There is nothing that can turn up media (and this forum is) volume like sex.
Have noted that many other countries' media outlets are trying to do the same but can't quite get the full blown effect that can be achieved in the US.
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Status of celebrity has nothing to do with private life. This approach is culturally more developed in US and Canada than in Europe. About french minister, please write about what you know. Did you read his book ? No. I did. He is a fine writer and it was a novel with autobiographic parts, not an autobiography and the comment was about sex with men in their 20 something when he was in his late 40. Should we say the same about members on this forum ?
The attack was coming from far right and pushed by old friends of him (he is leftist and part of a right government). It was successful even if not funded as even people in US seems to know about it now...
I see, so it was all just a smear campaign. My bad, never mind then! Next time someone questions one of my misinformed posts here I'll simply claim I was incorporating a little fiction to add literary flair to my writing :) Now, can someone please tell me where I can sign a FREE POLANSKI petition?
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I'm happy when the media covers when a celebrity or politician does something wrong. We all know the value of promoting a celebrity with a squeaky clean image but some do not understand the value of showing his failures in life.
I have a 13 year old boy that's with me this weekend on visitation. He likes to buy products his favorite sports stars endorse. He likes girls and sees those rappers on MTV and think they're cool because they got the money and the girls.
It's times like these when a guy like Tiger Woods fails that I can win another battle to prevent him from idolizing these people. Over time he will begin to see people he loved, had faith in and that was bigger than life fail due to infidelity, drugs, steroids/cheating, violence, crime and going to jail. Today he tells me his thoughts that TW is wrong for deceiving his wife. I tell him "Although many celebrities and sports stars have wonderful talent, in many ways they aren't any better than you. You can respect their talent but you don't have to respect them." Tiger made big money being in the public spotlight setting an example to kids, now he is the example of what not to do in public spotlight. He does not have the right to choose when the cameras are on him or not. Sure it would be nice for politicians and celebrities to tell the media to go away on their bad days but think how crappy of a World this would be?
These past few days a lot of papas and mamas get to talk to their kids about a sports star falling and the issue about infidelity in marriage. Tiger's failings shown in the media spotlight for all World to see will not help his marriage but the sacrifice of adding pain to his marriage is well worth it if tens of thousand of kids get a little wiser that infidelity is not accepted and that nobody is bigger than life.
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Docetae's opinion reflects his culture. It shows how much culture affects our values. The widespread corruption in Russia has always bothered me because corruption is accepted as status quo, and such a culture surely colors personal values with regard to honesty, etc.
Anyway, back to Docetae. His opinion is best exemplified by something I remember from the Gary Hart presidential campaign in 1988. Hart was the heavy favorite to become the Democratic nominee. During the early part of the campaign, reporters proved he was having an extramarital affair with a pretty young woman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hart#1988_presidential_campaign_and_the_Donna_Rice_affair
He soon dropped out of the presidential race because of the public backlash.
At the time I was in Europe and a friend read to me a Paris editorial (Le Monde?) about the Hart-Rice affair. The editor expresed dismay over Hart having to drop out, asserting that any French politician discovered to have a mistress that beautiful would win in a landslide. :D
With Hart dropping out, the race became wide open and Dukakis eventually got the Democratic nomination. Dukakis lost in a landslide to Reagan's VP, George HW Bush.
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Question for you Gator:
The FHP oversaw the accident investigation in this event...maybe you can shed some light on this thing because I was surprised about this when I first heard the news.
TW's mansion is located inside an enclosed private community. The accident happend just outside his property's gate. Why is the Florida Highway Patrol involved in the investigation?
I don't know. It must be because of some interagency agreement. This is from the local newspaper;
Which Police Agency Has Jurisdiction In Woods’ Crash?
The Florida Highway Patrol is taking the lead in the investigation of Woods' accident.
However, it hasn’t kept a war of words from erupting between two other law enforcement agencies after comments were made by Windermere’s police chief Friday night.
“She was frantic. She was upset. Yeah, very upset. That was her husband laying on the ground, so she was pretty upset,” Police Chief Daniel Saylor said.
For a day or so, that was the only thing we knew about the low-speed crash.
In a release from the Orange County Sheriff's Office, Spokesman Jim Solomons stated "the city of Windermere, Florida has no jurisdiction in this investigation. Information provided by the city of Windermere may, in fact, be counterproductive to the ongoing investigation into this incident."
When News 13 contacted Chief Saylor Saturday evening, he declined to go on camera, but said he doesn't understand what was counterproductive in what he said.
The chief went on to say: "My officers were the first on the scene, and what they saw and told me was the truth. My comments were short and to the point. I don't know how the Orange County Sheriff's Office can label that counterproductive."
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Looks like girl #4 is lining up with her lawyer.
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Looks like girl #4 is lining up with her lawyer.
Aww Man! So he's hitting par...He really is starting to look like Gary Busey on a Saturday morning! He's really having a bad hole.
Tiger should've really known better than to push his ball with a stiff-shafted hybrid out of Kalika's rough because he'll likely end up in Uchitel's trap one more time then have to scramble from Grubbs' divot.
LOL.
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Tiger is getting judged based on the image he made for himself today. Much the same way the public bought into, and the products he endorsed, the image he once portrayed.
Who is the PGA player most fined for cussing on the course? Guess who.
Which is worse?
a) John Daly having a couple of beers in an adult only area, the Hooters booth in the hospitality tent after his round.
b) Cussing on national TV. Cussing in front of 10 year olds after slicing your drives in the woods.
John was heavily burned by the media for his two beers with the Hooters bartender (a).
The media and fans have mostly overlooked (b). Arnie or Jack would never behave in
that manner.
Hope JD makes a comeback.
See you at Hooters.
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Docetae's opinion reflects his culture. It shows how much culture affects our values. The widespread corruption in Russia has always bothered me because corruption is accepted as status quo, and such a culture surely colors personal values with regard to honesty, etc.
Anyway, back to Docetae. His opinion is best exemplified by something I remember from the Gary Hart presidential campaign in 1988. Hart was the heavy favorite to become the Democratic nominee. During the early part of the campaign, reporters proved he was having an extramarital affair with a pretty young woman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hart#1988_presidential_campaign_and_the_Donna_Rice_affair
He soon dropped out of the presidential race because of the public backlash.
At the time I was in Europe and a friend read to me a Paris editorial (Le Monde?) about the Hart-Rice affair. The editor expresed dismay over Hart having to drop out, asserting that any French politician discovered to have a mistress that beautiful would win in a landslide. :D
With Hart dropping out, the race became wide open and Dukakis eventually got the Democratic nomination. Dukakis lost in a landslide to Reagan's VP, George HW Bush.
Yes...Sarkozy remembered it ... for memory, his wife cheated him before presidential, he went with a woman doing a tv show, after he met Carla Bruni and divorced from his previous wife two months after being elected.
Berlusconi is illustrating this too..
Moral has not the same definition on both sides of the atlantic...
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Tiger has been a sex addict prior to their marriage. One of Tiger's hobbies is fishing with his buddy Mark O (people who know golf know who this is). Since the late 1990's Mark and Tiger have gone on numerous fishing exhibitions to remote locations (pre and post marriage). They also bring women with them. How do I know - fishing is my hobby as well at very expensive remote locations. Sometimes lodge owners get drunk and talk and show photos.
Tiger got a prenup and views his wife as a contract. He is a powerful man as being the highest paid athlete in the world. Tiger is all about business. You will not see him do many motivation speeches as he has always been an individual performer. He is not a great team player.
But Tiger's wife is no angel either. Asking for more money makes her worse in my opinion. Tiger is just treating her like the whore she is as well. So two whores get married.
My wife never heard of tiger before and when she saw a photo and since he was black did not want to discuss him.
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Not sure if anyone else here aside from Gator is an avid golfer. But this Tiger drama will undoubtedly have a rippling effect well beyond the Windemere residence. Golf Channel reported that when Tiger first turned pro in '96, the total PGA purse was 65 million - it's grown to 275 million through the Tiger years. Is there a doubt PGA players are concerned the effect this may have in their careers? That goes for the past, current, and budding players - worldwide. Even Arnold, Jack, and Miller had reaped higher financial windfalls since and because of Tiger.
After our recent economic turmoil, Finchen had been busy trying to find, replace, and solicit sponsors for future tournament events. Many sponsors already had bowed out because of economic times i.e. Buick, Target, etc...so the league already was in danger even before this event (check LPGA). That, on top off the fact TV contracts are all up for renegotiation next year.
Not least of all, Tiger also single-handedly banished the racial barriers in the sport (remember the fiasco at Augusta?).
The league thought there were attractive promises for next year at least. Phil's late season resurgence as his valid challenger. Tiger's season will see him with an even more advantage (opined) because of rule changes regarding 'U' grooves. The US Open's return to Pebble Beach, British to St Andrew's - then of course, the inclusion of Golf into the Olympics in 2K16.
Ironically, Golf is known as the sport of Gentlemen. A game of patience, integrity, and grace. Morals aside, this event will have a far wider effect - global, as Tigermania had reached deep into Asia, SA, and even the Middle-East. Tiger single-handedly changed the present and future landscape of his sport. He stands to maybe single-handedly take it all back. Already his tournament this weekend in 1000 Oaks, like the rest of the Tiger-less tournaments, clearly lacks the buzz and electricity it has when Tiger is out on the course firing his stingers.
Like Magic, Bird, and Jordan - athletes credited for changing and saving the course of their league's existence, Tiger stood the chance to be even bigger than those 3 combined. I, for one, hopes he saves par.
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The highest trees in the forest catch the most wind.
Over night, the guy has a substance abuse problem, his wife is a husband beater, and all kinds of 'immoral' affairs coming out of the woodwork.
If anything, it highlights press desire to to feed public lust for fallen heroes in an all consuming frenzy.
Shame.
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Asking for more money makes her worse in my opinion.
Where did you read that at? After learning of the affairs, I'm sure Elin stated she was leaving so Tiger went into panic/damage control mode. Tiger could also be looking at this as another investment since an ugly divorce will bring out more dirty laundry and he stands more to lose a lot more money in endorsements if his squeaky clean image is lost. Go to keep selling that image to kids. Maybe, and I say this lightly, he's truly trying to prove his love with this money and promises from this day on to build a strong marriage with his wife. Why did he do it? My guess is either he's the kind of man that gives into temptation easily, enjoys living it up while he's got the money and fame, or Elin was a cold fish and didn't take care of her man.
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GQ (and others),
I know that this all has drastically changed Tiger's squeaky clean image. Even if he really is not so pure with the comments about cursing up thread. Don't you think when all the hub bub settles down, he may be even more popular? The greatest golfer of all time and a stud too. I think Slick Willy became more popular after the Monica dust settled. Clinton and even JFK are looked on in almost a higher regard now because they had a playboy side too. I am sure he will take an intial hit, but his target market is adult men mostly. Even Kobe just got his first endorsment deal since the RAPE allegations.
Contrary to what I just said, I read where Tiger is getting a lot of flak from the black community. Not for his infidelities, but because they were only white women. The thought is that is he had strayed with an occasional black woman, he would be a hero.
KenC
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Don't you think when all the hub bub settles down, he may be even more popular?
If I remember right, there's a saying that bad(or any) publicity is good publicity. Maybe it'll make him more popular in some ways because more people than ever around the World now are talking about "Tiger Woods" but one thing is for certain, this is going to hit him hard in the pocketbook.
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I was wondering why this thread is in the 'Questions to Ladies' forum?
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Tough question, man. As Kenny Perry (fellow PGA player) said in an interview, what happens next to Tiger (and the league) highly depends on Tiger and what he does from here on in. Apparently none of his peers knew any part of this either, or at least won't admit to knowing about it.
If I were to tailor the event following Magic's infidelity, then I would likely say it would have a huge impact. But if I looked at Kobe Bryant's case (and slick Willy or even David Letterman) - it may not have a big of an impact at all. One thing's for certain however, Golf is a mental game and while Tiger is tough on the course, I would imagine this would have a huge impact on the mental side of his game.
As for the black community uproar - Hahah! I bet it's the usual suspects, too! The interesting thing about this is, Tiger is NOT black in the sense America's African-American folks are known to be. Tiger is more Thai than African-American (I believe his Dad was half African-American, 1/4 Thai and 1/4 American-Indian) - in short a typical American hybrid. It's silly for these folks to keep calling him 'African-American when everyone knows his Mum is a Thai. He is less of an African-American than our half-breed vassilator-in-Chief.
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Arnie or Jack would never behave in
that manner.
Not with alcohol or profanity.
However, Arnie had a reputation for the women. At a tournament decades ago Arnie walked near my date and me. he looked long and hard at her. She said, "He made me wet."
Hope JD makes a comeback.
People accept JD for the redneck he is. He certainly is not pretentious. However, he has a severe case of alcoholism. It is up to him to hit'em straight.
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I don't see this as a long term big problem for Tiger, there are just too many people and corps making big money with Tiger. Very soon a slick spin machine will start to cleverly manipulate the media. Right now they are test spinning many different approaches and scenarios on how to handle this. With Tiger looking better the money will keep coming in. The entire golfing industry alone will come to help him. Without Tiger--there are not the crowds and the money. Just put Tiger in a tournament and the excitement level goes way up, whether his wins or places 4th. NOBODY else in golf does that. They need him badly. Will he still attract the audience? Sure. And if he wins all this will slowly be forgotten.
Besides, its not like he hit a dog with a golf club or anything. Then he'd be in Michael Vick territory. Tiger just had a bunch of affairs with a bunch of women all to willing to accommodate him. The spirit is strong but the flesh is weak. Actually the whole thing is like a comedy show.
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Tiger has been a sex addict prior to their marriage...How do I know - fishing is my hobby as well at very expensive remote locations. Sometimes lodge owners get drunk and talk and show photos.
I believe you; this makes a lot of sense.
But Tiger's wife is no angel either. Asking for more money makes her worse in my opinion. Tiger is just treating her like the whore she is as well. So two whores get married.
We don't know the full story. We don't know her. Jesper says she is a genuine sweetheart even if she tried to maim Tiger. Maybe Tiger volunteered to give her more money. Child custody would be the bigger issue. Perhaps she wants a father for her children and she hopes he will change. If not, she will live comfortably with her babies.
If Tiger's father was still alive he would give Tiger a good 'whooping.'
My wife never heard of tiger before and when she saw a photo and since he was black did not want to discuss him.
My wife thinks Tiger is attractive. Everybody is different.
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Arnie or Jack would never behave in that manner.
Guess I'm not a golfer.. Schwarzenegger and Nicholson came to mind..
was about to draw my clue bat..
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Guess I'm not a golfer.. Schwarzenegger and Nicholson came to mind..
was about to draw my clue bat..
:ROFL:
Arnie and Jack were also known as the King and Bear. So you probably don't know the Slammer and the Squire. Not important, not in the least.
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I was wondering why this thread is in the 'Questions to Ladies' forum?
Using Tiger only to prompt some thought, I was wondering whether RW thought it was okay for their husband to have sex with other women provided it was just sex and not love.
I was wondering if those RW who said it is "not okay" would be violent towards their husband.
I was wondering if it changed anything if the guilty husband gave his RW a lot of money.
Then the RWD men took over, as happens frequently in "Ask the RW" threads.
Also, I phrased my questions too open ended, so I did not get the type response I expected from the few RW who participated. So blame me. Nevertheless, it is an interesting thread, and it did touch on my primary objective.
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Gator,
My dad had a signed framed photo of Sam Snead in his workshop. ;) And my mom would always sigh when Arnie was on TV. Not to make you feel too old. :rolleyes2:
KenC
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Arnie and Jack were also known as the King and Bear.
Meaning Palmer and Nicklaus, IINM ;)? And what about Gary Player and Lee Trevino ;D?
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And what about Gary Player
The Gary Player Stud Farm has received worldwide acclaim for breeding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Player
Does that make me a good journalist?
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Hope this shows up clearly enough to read. It appeared and a a local newspaper this morning.
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Gator,
My dad had a signed framed photo of Sam Snead in his workshop. ;) And my mom would always sigh when Arnie was on TV. Not to make you feel too old. :rolleyes2:
KenC
A lot of women sighed with Arnie was on TV. Yes, the framed photo of Sam Sneed does make me feel old. Heck if I would have been on the putting green at Greenbrier when I was supposed to be I would have been putting with him. My co golfers told me he left about two minutes before I got there (late)
To be totally correct it wasn't "The Bear" it was "The Golden Bear" and it wasn't the slammer it was Slammin Sammy Sneed. I am not placing "The Squire" and do know a lot of the golfers way back even before my time. I could make some guesses but theyu would be just that.
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Sam Snead - stories about Slamming Sammy.
1. One of my golfing friends was playing at Greenbrier in a foursome. They had hit onto a Par 3, parked their carts and were walking to the green. Suddenly a golf ball hits on the green in their midst.
They look around wondering where it came from, thinking it an errant shot from another hole. They look back to the tee and see a single golfer with caddy approaching them.
They stop and study him. As he walked closer they could tell it was Sam Snead. Sam walked up to green, his caddy removed the pin, and Sam sunk his putt for a birdie. He walked away. Never said a word, not "Excuse me" or "Thank you."
2. Sometimes he would without an invitation just join golfers while playing at Greenbrier. He would play a couple of holes and move on, giving some pointers along the way. When the golfers finished the round they received a bill for "Playing Lesson with Snead."
3. My three friends and I saw him at his Sam Snead's Tavern in Homestead. He was dining and we asked him several questions, and he answered them and never stopped chewing. He was so old that he had to hold his money up close to read the denomination. Interesting night. The most fascinating was when he asked us, "What's my ringer score at Greenbrier?" Greenbrier has only two par 5s and he had an ace on only one par three (among his career 56 aces). His answer, "Two over twos." Incredibly good. And he did not send us a bill.
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I was wondering if it changed anything if the guilty husband gave his RW a lot of money.
Although there is a lot of tough talk by the RW, some may throw out their values if money was involved. I got a call from a local RW last night and the conversation went like this.
RW: Hi Billy
Me: Hi RW. So what inspired you to finally return the calls I made to you a couple of weeks ago? I thought you lost interest in me or found someone else.
RW: I didn't want to call because you didn't seem interested in marriage and family.
Me: You probably have me mixed up with another guy or you misunderstood me. I said we should start out as friends and I'm open to having a serious relationship and marriage with the right woman. We've only went out once so it's too early to talk of marriage.
RW: I'm a serious woman and I don't search for just friends or lovers. I want to go with man only for marriage. Why did you divorce your Russian wife?(sizing me up to see if I could qualify being her husband)
Me: You must have me mixed up with another man again. I told you had a Ukrainian wife. I then tell her why we divorced and one reason was because we married to early without truly understanding we were compatible with each other.
RW: Okay, how long will it take you to decide if you want marry? Years, months, weeks or one more date with me?
Me: It would take me months and possibly more than a year. It's best we go out with as friends first and not talk of marriage so soon. I appreciate the fact you are marriage minded but if you marry a guy too quick, you will probably end up divorcing. Remember you told me you agreed to marry within two weeks when first meeting your FSU husband who brought you here?. You have to take some time to know who you're going to marry. Let me ask you some questions. What do you think is a man's and woman's responsibility to each other in marriage?
RW: My man should support me and buy me what I need such as clothes and a car.
Me: What are the responsibilities of the man who's dating you?
RW: Same.
Me: In America it doesn't work that way. We date to learn more about if we could live and share a life together. Sometimes the women even pay for dinners on dates.
RW: If you don't want to marry or you will take long time to decide, I want to make a suggestion. I don't need to go to restaurants or movies. I need support. I don't work and I go to college now. If you don't want marriage and only want to be lovers then I still need help. A man should help his woman.
Me: What kind of help do you need in your life??
RW: About $500 but you can't be jealous if I continue to search for a husband.
Wow! The adventures of being a single man I tell ya. Here is a woman that seems focused on marriage and family but willing to temporarily trade her goals and values for some financial help while allowing me the opportunity to serve her physical needs while she searches for a husband.
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People accept JD for the redneck he is.... However, he has a severe case of alcoholism.
He is no longer an alcoholic. His new girlfriend, a Hooters exec and former Hooter's waitress from Chicago,
has "straightened him out" and "tamed the Wild Thing" with coffee and Snickers candy bars:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/anna-cladakis-chiefly-responsible-for-turning-dalys-life-around/story-e6frg7mf-1225805927903
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/golf/daly-throws-weight-behind-obesity-battle-20091201-k3sd.html
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Well, it looks like more mistresses are pouring out of the wood work. Now it appears he had an ongoing affair with Cori Rist
http://www.yardbarker.com/golf/article_external/Alleged_Tiger_Mistress_6_8216NYC_Clubgoer_8217_Cori_Rist/1692342
And a 14 month affair with Mindy Lawton a Perkins waitress.
http://www.yardbarker.com/golf/article_external/Mistress_5_Claim_Perkins_Waitress_Mindy_Lawton/1690063
We all knew Tiger was famous for swinging a club we must have been a little confused about what club he was really good at swinging.
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LOL...Tiger Woods is hitting for a double bogey.
The three things I remember John D the most was the speech he gave after winning the British Open; a bad tee shot and immediately hurling his driver away; and when teed-up facing the crowd to prove he can hit the ball above everyone's head.
Did you guys spotted Lee Westwood's gamesmanship yesterday at the 18th?
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BillyB,
A good post, and it will be lost in this thread. I suggest that you start a new thread or place it in VWRW's entitlement thread.
BTW, I have had the same conversation as you with a couple of RW, but it has always occurred after spending a few days with a RW - not in phone conversations before the first meeting. She is a brave bold girl.
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Did you guys spotted Lee Westwood's gamesmanship yesterday at the 18th?
Missed it, watching football. What happened?
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Wow! The adventures of being a single man I tell ya. Here is a woman that seems focused on marriage and family but willing to temporarily trade her goals and values for some financial help while allowing me the opportunity to serve her physical needs while she searches for a husband.
Sounds open, honest and pretty much straightforward.. Nothing wrong with that. Might even be a hole in one.
In the end you'll get the same story from a girl down the street in a roundabout way.
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Missed it, watching football. What happened?
Westwood (12) had a chance to tie Furyk (-13) but his approach went right and nestled tight on the edge of the fringe and the slope, 35 feet from the hole on a downhill putt. The rough against the fringe had some pretty nasty tall grass. He questions an official about getting a relief because his right ankle would be dangling over a sprinkler head in his stance. The thing was, he was holding a full 8-iron to demonstrate his point. Under normal circumstances he would likely choke up a lob wedge and flop that shot given the gradient and the fast green - plus a shortened stance. But doing so would safely keep him away from the sprinkler head.
He was given a free drop and away from the tall grassy edge but missed the tying shot by 3 feet anyway. Everything was well within the rules so he wasn't really cheating at all he simply took advantage of what was available to get out of a very bad lie.
Graeme McDowell was waiting behind them from the fairway at -11. Graeme was Tiger's replacement with a PGA ranking of 54. 4 spots over to qualify playing at the '10 Masters. He needed to be in the top-3 in this tournament to qualify.
Furyk waiting at the CH at -13, Lee at -12 (3 feet from the hole sitting birdie), Paddy 9 feet hitting birdie at -10, and Graeme waiting from the fairway at -11. Harrington hit his birdie putt and is now -11. Westwood looks at the scoreboard then to Graeme and knowing he no longer have a chance to tie, walked over and pushed his short putt. Drops a shot and is now at -11.
Paddy smiled, walked over to Lee and he winked at Paddy. They both walked off with huge smiles on their faces. Graeme birdies the hole, places second and earns enough point to move him to 36 ranking and easily qualifies for the Masters. That's some serious Ryder Cup teamsmanship going there...
Two buddies of mine agree with me that it was intentional. One friend and my wife do not because they said there's too much money at stake. Lee just won the Race to Dubai classic, so $ 200,00 less means nothing now. Had Graeme bogeyed the hole, he'll be 4th and there was a chance he won't get the points because it was a shootout yesterday and everyone was clustered at the top of the leaderboard. The pin placements were dollar pins. It was crazy!
Exciting day yesterday, Tiger was missed but oh well...
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I suggest that you start a new thread or place it in VWRW's entitlement thread.
I'll put in in VWRW's thread.
BTW, I have had the same conversation as you with a couple of RW, but it has always occurred after spending a few days with a RW - not in phone conversations before the first meeting. She is a brave bold girl.
We had one date. She lives in the next city over which is about a 30 minute drive. An FSU man brought her over here. They married and divorced. No domestic violence involved. She's in college and getting financial assistance from the government. She's been here under 2 years and can stay in America permanently so although she's wanting to get married, she doesn't need a man for a green card. The speed that she wants to get married is what scares me though.
Sounds open, honest and pretty much straightforward.. Nothing wrong with that. Might even be a hole in one.
In the end you'll get the same story from a girl down the street in a roundabout way.
Agree. She stated what she wanted, marriage and lots of financial and material support, and after she wasn't going to get it from me, she went for plan B and stated she doesn't care about dating or me buying her dinner but she'd rather have the cash money I would have spent on dating her instead and we could both still take care of our phyiscal needs.
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Agree. She stated what she wanted, marriage and lots of financial and material support, and after she wasn't going to get it from me, she went for plan B and stated she doesn't care about dating or me buying her dinner but she'd rather have the cash money I would have spent on dating her instead and we could both still take care of our phyiscal needs.
If she only lived next door would be quite a deal.
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Now hitting triple bogey...
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Now hitting triple bogey...
It's getting comical. And all of Tiger's women seem a little trashy to me, but all are D or DD.
One of the sports shows had a photo of a woman chasing the Cincinnati Bengal mascot (a tiger) with a golf club.
Thanks for the explanation about Westwood. In Ryder Cup
play a few years ago Davis Love had a bad lie next to a drainage grate. If he swung regularly, he would hit the grate and thus been awarded a free drop to shorter grass. However, he said he could not take a drop because he would not take a normal swing but play a cut given the pin location. A prime example of a gentleman playing the game with integrity.
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She said, "He made me wet."
God, incontinence is such a pain :)
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About the time the Tiger situation gets to the point that I expect it to die down it seems to only get worse.
1. It looks like the official count of mistresses is up to 9 now.
2. Elin has move out and is living in another house Tiger owns
3. Tiger had been drinking, taking Vicoden and Ambian before his accident.
4. An unidentified woman (most likely Elin's Mom) was taken to the hospital Tuesday on advanced life support but later released.
Personally I think if I was spending beaucoup bucks to have Tiger as a promotional figure for my products I would be doing a lot of thinking about if that was money well spent, unless of course I were Trojan or Jack Daniels which might be the only sponsers he can get after this.
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Tiger better hope your wrong because sponsorship money is more than 90% of his income. :D
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I agree with that Remie! My thoughts until lately were that it would blow over with very little impact on his income but I am starting to think that his image is going to have much less value that it did when he was seen as a clean cut role model.
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Well, Tiger's 10 over on the front nine (as in 'days'). Definitely the worst outing since his 40 at the '97 Masters. His balls must be well compressed.
Badboy Rodham have nothing on this guy...btw Tiger eats at Perkins? Really?!?
Irony of the year award: In Golf Digest's latest issue featuring Tiger posed as a caddy for Obama, the caption read:
"10 Things Obama can learn from Tiger" Yes, and that would be 1. Rachel, 2. Jaime, 3. Holly... (yeah, how come there's no one named 'Taniqua')? I bet Michelle is not amused.
The people want to know...who will Tiger bring with him when its his turn to party at the White House weekly dinner shindig paid for by TUUA (The United Unemployed Americans.)
Rachel is royally p'oed that Tiger actually have 'other' women besides her. (LOL)
Quote of the Day: " Boje Moy! Even Russian men is not this bad! " -Nataly
As an aside: I'm wondering, I realize the real estate in California is a bit high than most other places nationally, but I am somewhat surprised that the Woods' mansion is listed at only $ 2.6 million. The guy's a billionaire. $2.6 million in our neck of the woods would hardly have 3,500 SF, let alone be considered a mansion. Beverly Hills maids quarters alone is $2.6 million by itself.
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I agree with that Remie! My thoughts until lately were that it would blow over with very little impact on his income but I am starting to think that his image is going to have much less value that it did when he was seen as a clean cut role model.
I still do not know if this will effect Tiger's influence on golfing gear. I do not know the breakdown of his endorsement earnings, but he is still the best damn golfer in the world. Regardless of his morals, golfers are total suckers for anything new in the way of clubs, golf balls or training techniques. It isn't like basketball, where the only equipment item is the shoes which are more of a fashion statement than anything else. I do not believe this will effect the sales influence he will still have in golfing related goods but only his non golfing endorsements. How say you golfers? Will Tiger's infidelities stop you from buying his next new driver?
KenC
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How say you golfers? Will Tiger's infidelities stop you from buying his next new driver?
That won't mean a thing to me as I live and die with my Clevelands, driver to lob wedge. My putter was recently changed from the Rossie to XG Teron by Odyssey. I use Titliest Pro V1, Callaway gloves, Sun Mountain Cart/Stand bag - in short no Nike's or Scotty Cameron.
I'm convinced his endorsements will definitely be affected now. As a billionaire and with the looming possibility of a hefty alimony/child support from here on in, I won't be surprised if Tiger retires as a Golf Course design consultant from now on.
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Golf gear, some golfers will buy and some won't buy. As more revelations keep coming out I can see he did himself more damage than I thought a few days ago. That coupled with his Team Tiger not being able to breathe, let alone swim in these waters is perplexing, unless they know more shoes will keep dropping. I'm sure most of his sponsors are taking a long hard look at him now, especially with todays news.
Amex has been a stalwart Tiger sponsor over many years, yet today on his webapge they are not listed as a sponsor?
http://web.tigerwoods.com/sponsors/sponsors
Ah. Checked. In a recent statement a few days ago, Amex states it currently has no contractual relationship with Tiger. They parted a year and a half ago.
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My golf clubs have not been out of the attic since my wife arrived in America. I went from golfing in two leagues to not touching my clubs so I am sure it won't have an effect on my purchasing. Even when I was golfing more I was never impacted by a celebrity name. My first driver had Bobby Jones's name on them which really shows my age. Unless I hear that someone named Bertha won the Open or Masters I think there is no corelation between the name on my clubs and celebrity.
Is Tiger the greatest golfer of all time? I don't know that anyone can answer that. Palmer was a great golfer that did more to popularize golf than anyone and changed it from an obscure sport to a popular one. Tiger has also done a lot to popularize golf. I have no doubts that he is the best golfer of this generation but golf was not followed or talked about as much when Bobby Jones, Sammy Snead and Hogan were playing. Who knows what some of the really old time players could do with modern courses and equipment. If you could bring back all the great golfers of the past in their prime and let them have today's equipment and get used to it I have a feeling there were probably a few who could have given him a run for the money but I don't question at all that he is a great golfer and at a very minimum one of the best, and maybe even THE best ever, one of the best for sure. Still he has just shot himself in the foot and really needs to decide if he wants to be a great golfer or a great lover.
When this all started I tended to side with Tiger a bit and thought that maybe his wife just wasn't keeping him as happy as she should have. I am sure some men if they were not happy at home could end up in the arms of another woman. When a man has 9 mistresses it is not because the wife is lacking. Tiger is lacking morals plain and simple.
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I would say he is thinking of why he got married in the first place.
Marriage is not for everyone especially billionaries.
Poor guy
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The line (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/default.aspx?feat=1417383) had begin to form. :(
Not a good way to start the back nine.
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That won't mean a thing to me as I live and die with my Clevelands, driver to lob wedge. My putter was recently changed from the Rossie to XG Teron by Odyssey. I use Titliest Pro V1, Callaway gloves, Sun Mountain Cart/Stand bag - in short no Nike's or Scotty Cameron.
I'm convinced his endorsements will definitely be affected now. As a billionaire and with the looming possibility of a hefty alimony/child support from here on in, I won't be surprised if Tiger retires as a Golf Course design consultant from now on.
GQ,
You missed my point. IF you thought Tiger's gear would better your game based on his golfing wisdom, you would not care about what he did with his own shaft. 8)
KenC
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Gatorade was the biggest deal he had going with an incredible potential...until now. Yeah, the way he has played this I am sure there will be more companies reconsidering their position with Tiger, no matter how great of a golfer he has been. Sad to say but it seems the guy has a complete lack of character. Whether he might be able to sell golf gear is certain, if he wins some golfers will buy his stuff. If he wins alot--more will. He definitely has had the priciest sex of any athlete in history.
Gatorade states that discontinuing Tiger Focus Gatorade has nothing to do with recent events.
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GQ,
You missed my point. IF you thought Tiger's gear would better your game based on his golfing wisdom, you would not care about what he did with his own shaft. 8)
LOL. What's the MOI on that shaft?
When the Sumos first came out, I did think of switching and actually demo'd the puppies. This was last year when I was working the funk out of my game (golfers always blame heir woes on their equipment - no pun intended Tiger) and thought a little bit of Tiger-effect may cure my yips. No go. Then I thought maybe dumping Titliest and using Nike balls, nope, feels like rock (no pun intended Tiger).
I guess what I'm saying is, yeah sure, if it made the difference of course I'd use Tiger endorsed products. But that would likely be because it helped and not because of the icon behind it. I am ceratin though your assessment is likely more 'right' than my personal situation. There is a huge following in Nike's golf line that people buy into not because it's better, but simply because 'Tiger uses it'.
p.s. I demo'd the Victory Reds two weeks ago - not for me.
Tim, at least there's one thing Buick did right this year!
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(golfers always blame heir woes on their equipment - no pun intended Tiger)
Tim, at least there's one thing Buick did right this year!
Tiger's entire problem IS his equipment ;D I too am an avid golfer more so lately "duffer". I can say I have never bought a piece of equipment because he or any other pro endorsed or uses it. Most upgrades in my bag are the result of seeing it used on the course and the curiosity or I took a few "swings" with it. I'm very slow to change anything in my game. Which can be a good thing and other times a real PITA >:(
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I have no doubts that he is the best golfer of this generation but golf was not followed or talked about as much when Bobby Jones, Sammy Snead and Hogan were playing.
Wrong, it was more important for some odd reason. New York City gave Bobby Jones a ticker tape parade. Nevertheless, such parades were more common in the 1930s than in the 21st Century. Keep in mind that horse racing was arguably the No. 1 sport.
I saw a survey that reported no significant difference among TV viewers regarding their interest in Tiger before and after the revelations of extramarital affairs.
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Marriage is not for everyone especially billionaire.
What has being a billionare have to do with this?
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Wrong, it was more important for some odd reason. New York City gave Bobby Jones a ticker tape parade. Nevertheless, such parades were more common in the 1930s than in the 21st Century. Keep in mind that horse racing was arguably the No. 1 sport.
I will agree the Bobby Jones was a hero in his day and that NYC gave him a ticker tape parade. I don't think anyone could argue that golf is more popular today than in his day and one of the reasons is TV. From a participant standpoint golf too has changed. One way is the advent of golf carts. Caddies were common in those days. Golf coverage on TV and Arnie arrived close to the same time and Arnie probably was not the greatest golfer ever but was likely one of the most charismatic. Tiger is probably the better golfer and until now was probably the only one who matched or possibly exceeded Arnie's popularity. I think Tiger also did a lot to popularize golf for blacks.
Yesterday was the first day I thought this might really effect his income. When the mistress count supposedly went to 9 , the wife moved out, the drugs and booze were talked about and the MIL was taken to the hospital, my opinion flopped from it will blow over in a month or so to some sponsors are going to take a hard look at the image he would add to their product.
I think the things that may determine how this hand plays out are
1. Is it really over? Before yesterday I thought there was little new to continue the saga but there were tons of new allegations yesterday and will there be more, and possibly even more shocking revelations?
2. What will his wife do? If she had stayed by his side and things died down the PR effect would have been better. It seems she has had enough and who could blame her.
3. What will Tiger do? He has yet to stick his nose out of the closet. How he handles things could have a lot of impact one way or the other.
Tiger is the greatest golfer of his time. I am sure his name will still have value. I do think this will decrease the value of his name. Perhaps in time this will all be forgotten. I think when the Monica story first came out it put a negative spin on Clinton but now I think few judge him on that and it is more a joke than anything. Slick Willy was never thought of as wholesome or as being a role model, Tiger was.
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4. An unidentified woman (most likely Elin's Mom) was taken to the hospital Tuesday on advanced life support but later released.
Maybe sexual maniac approach mum? :evil: brave girl
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What has being a billionare have to do with this?
I would say about everything but should have used the term "weak billionare".
A man is only as faithful as his options or temptations. This man would not be given the time of day by the hoes if he was an average joe blow.
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Now hitting triple bogey...
Maybe Rory (or maybe Elin) will make another news conference soon stating again
"I think Tiger's more beatable than ever, I want Tiger."
http://www.thegolfblog.com/2007/05/rory-sabbatini-i-think-tigers-more.html
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/show-patrol/2009/12/saturday-night-live-spoofs-tiger-woods.html
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Tiger's income of 110 million comes mostly from endorsements.
All ad's featuring Tiger since the accident have been pulled.
Pac-10 has pulled Tiger ads specifically because of the current problems.
Gatorade has droped "Gatorade Tiger" but denies it is because of the current problems. Considering that their advertising tag line was:
"Is it in you"
It should definately appeal to his (current count 10) mistresses.
I think when Tiger advertising resumes they will need to work on new tag lines.
Nike's "I am Tiger Woods" seems like it might not be as appealing now although he has had more fun than most of us mortals.
Accenture's "Go on. Be a Tiger." doesn't sound any better.
Tag Heuer watches "What are you made of?" Well, we have a lot better idea now.
Gillette's "The best a man can get." seems like it should have been his wife.
NetJet has no tag line but if you can afford a private jet you can probably afford a couple of mistresses of your own.
EA Sports tagline of "Show the world your shot" seems to be asking something not fit for prime time.
Gatorade Tiger's "Is it in you?" probably would have needed reworked the best. The image it creates is not at all what they had in mind.
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With so many women coming forward. How long will it be until someone claims they are carrying or have tigers "love child"?
Its bound to happen.
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Maybe Rory (or maybe Elin) will make another news conference soon stating again
"I think Tiger's more beatable than ever, I want Tiger."
I remember that quote. Rory was in over his head saying that because since then he hasn't done much (relatively). That was the year Tiger specifically 'invited' him to participate in his '07 Sherwood tournament. He then [proceeded to walk out on the final day without the decency of properly notifying the organizers, which Tiger was winning and he was at the bottom of the leaderboard.
However, there are two entities I know Tiger just can't beat, The Riviera and Steve Oh. I don't know what happened to Steve Oh, but he was waxing Tiger in their high school and college days with regularity. Tiger would always seem to be 2 shots behind him no matter where they played. Steve Oh went on and tried to qualify through 'Q' school but just couldn't make it.
Jaime Jungers had now given an interview detailing her relationship with Woods. Allegedly Tiger would fly her over to their Newport Beach property when Elin would be in Sweden (it started 2 months after getting married).
Rumor has it that Tiger will 'give up' golf and live in the house Elin and her sister just bought in Sweden. Maybe Tiger need to take a hiatus from golf even for a short spell.
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Rumor has it that Tiger will 'give up' golf and live in the house Elin and her sister just bought in Sweden.
Rumors are flying.
An ESPN commentator suggested a hiatus of 6 months to win back his wife and with that his fans and sponsors. Also suggested, fire his entire staff (including caddy Steve) because they enabled Tiger's behavior.
However, if family is not Tiger's No. 1 goal, the two should divorce so that he can live the life he really wants. Tiger has told more than a few that it is a loveless marriage, and who would want to stay in such.
Also, Elin seems to have class and would not want to stay with such a male slut.
Another rumor says Tiger is a fantastic 'lover.' I don't think he was ready for marriage, much less children.
Did you know the PGA rankings changed this month? CNN has reported that Elin Nordegren moved to the top of the money list on the PGA Tour after 'beating' the world's number one golfer. Her surprise victory came when the world's number one golfer was penalized for playing the wrong hole... :D
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Hahah! There was a talk show that lipped out that Tiger would have suffered a fate far worst than death had he been married to an African-American woman instead of Elin. He would've gotten hit so hard it would've knocked Jaimee's front teeth out and popped Rachel's saline pouch all at the same time.
I digress.
JMO, Tiger do need to take ample time off regardless of what his domestic affair eventually settle to. When ready, I for one, would like to once again marvel at arguably the very best athlete ever to swing a golf club. Elin nowitstanding (Lindsay Davenport, Elin's friend, attest Elin would not have the character to do this at all - who knows).
Forget the sponsors. Money is, and should, no longer be an issue. This time maybe Tiger can simply play for the sheer spirit of the sport. Besides, what pulled me to take notice of this guy in the first place was the precision he displayed on the golf course and never was what he did outside of it.
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Hahah! There was a talk show that lipped out that Tiger would have suffered a fate far worst than death had he been married to an African-American woman instead of Elin.
For sure! Tiger would have been dropped in his tracks before he reached his Escalade.
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Regarding Tiger he has acted this way with his previous caddies as well. They guy likes to party and not be a good father or husband.
He travels a lot for work and thought he could keep it secret. I never liked Tiger thought he was an arrogant ssss who plays a game that dogs enjoy. Lets hit the ball and go fetch it. Sounds like what my dogs do.
Tiger was trained like a robot to be the best golfer. Maybe his father should have spent more time on him being a good person. Bad parenting is a root cause of his failure as a man. Hopefully he will do the right thing and get out of his wife and children's lives and go be a dog and play golf and bang women.
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Arf Arf or bow wow if you prefer. I agree with the things you said about Tiger to a degree but golf is a better sport than most.
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Tiger was trained like a robot to be the best golfer. Maybe his father should have spent more time on him being a good person. Bad parenting is a root cause of his failure as a man. Hopefully he will do the right thing and get out of his wife and children's lives and go be a dog and play golf and bang women.
The phrase "one trick pony" comes to mind.
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Tiger's wife Elin has at least one thing to be proud about her husband, he's an amazing lover....
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/jungers-on-the-record-sex-was-amazing-crazy-27344
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LOL. Wow! Tough crowd...
I never liked Tiger thought he was an arrogant ssss who plays a game that dogs enjoy. Lets hit the ball and go fetch it. Sounds like what my dogs do.
What's his/her index? You should've entered him/her in the tour, you (he/she) could've made a cool billion. :P
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The golfer Tiger Woods is arguably the world's most famous athlete (and very wealthy). He was involved in a suspicious car accident last week and received some bruises and cuts to his head, enough to keep him from playing golf in a tournament important to him.
Love the picture! 8)
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Tiger loses a sponsor: http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/10519326/Accenture-ends-sponsorship-of-Tiger
He's taking an indefinite leave from golf to save his marriage. He is going to lose more sponsors and earnings from playing golf but he's sacrificing the money to get back with the wife. Good move on his part to show family is the most important thing in his life. Yeah, I know... but better late than never. It's in Elin's hands now if she wants to continue with Tiger or move on with her life. I don't know if the love and trust between them will ever be the same.
The whole sport of golf will suffer. With Tiger gone, TV ratings and attendance will be down. With less people watching sponsors will pull out or renegotiate contracts for less money to continuing to be a sponsor in the sport of golf.
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When Tiger was off for an extended period of time for knee surgery TV ratings on the golf tournaments dropped 50% so I have to agree that all of golf will suffer.
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He's taking an indefinite leave from golf to save his marriage.
I think this is a big mistake. I would say its like him selling his soul. It wont save chit. There will be resentment from both sides. Nothing will be the same.
I wonder if Ellin suggested this??
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It is estimated that Tiger and the PGA combined will lose $550 million during Tiger's absence based on sponsor pull-outs (Tiger), TV ratings, merchandising, etc for this year alone....this, despite the fact Tiger only plays 14-15 tournament/yr out of the total 47 the PGA have on schedule to begin with.
Jim Gray made a profound statement touching on the current Tiger drama/saga. He said, "Imagine if you will, Michelangelo stopping to paint as a result of his infidelity, Beethoven quit composing..."
It is speculated that Rachel Uchitel is demanding a 5 million dollar payoff (I knew it was that sum) for her to keep her mouth shut (amongst other things) as apparently it was Rachel who was involved in that initial spat that led to the truck accident. Allegedly she has the transcript to the text and phone messages that led up to that drama. IMHO, with things the way they are I just assume she doesn't get the money from Tiger. Let the Enquirer pay her the money - which would be interesting since it was the Enquirer that was first sued back in '07 when they first reported this specific affair and all parties denied it.
Uchitel and Allred is not worth a nickel and the horses they rode in with. Tiger pays off this biyatch and likely the 'Queen-B' line will definitely follow.
Tiger's 22 million dollar yatch was loaded and geared up for a prolonged trip somewhere (bad time of the year).
Take a break Tiger. Repair what needs fixing at home, then pack-up Hank Haney and sharpen the skills. We'll see you at Augusta, Pebble and St Andrews.
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And another opinion, this one explaining why Tiger's Scandal is eventually good for golf.
http://www.sportsfanlive.com/everythingbutpoker/entry/why_tiger_s_scandal_is
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I don't drop by much anymore but I thought I'd offer a few thoughts about this situation. I believe that if this were a Gary Hart or Mark Sanford type of situation or even a Kolby Bryant, then things would be different. Those guys apparently caught caught with women more alluring perhaps than their wives and there was only one per man.
Tiger's behavior is serial, reckless and pathological. He needs help. Problem is, his super-inflated ego won't let him admit to being flawed in any way. That's why this is such news.
No one has mentioned that his father was also a philanderer and Tiger was aware of it and saddened by it.
My advice to his wife is not to stay with him for the children's sake. They are so young that now is the time to sever the relationship, a relationship that will only end badly and have more of an impact on her children later on. Younger children are more resilient than adolescents.
GQ, welcome to the game of golf. I admire your enthusiasm for the game and marvel how you keep up on all the PGA events and the latest equipment. I long ago quit reading Golf Digest and trying out the latest club line. I've gone back to my 1971 Wilson Staff blades. (Call me old fashioned...but they're as comfortable as an old shoe).
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Regarding Tiger he has acted this way with his previous caddies as well. They guy likes to party and not be a good father or husband.
He travels a lot for work and thought he could keep it secret. I never liked Tiger thought he was an arrogant ssss who plays a game that dogs enjoy. Lets hit the ball and go fetch it. Sounds like what my dogs do.
Tiger was trained like a robot to be the best golfer. Maybe his father should have spent more time on him being a good person. Bad parenting is a root cause of his failure as a man. Hopefully he will do the right thing and get out of his wife and children's lives and go be a dog and play golf and bang women.
Bullkaka. Tiger's failures are his own. This is a guy who makes a billion plus dollars a year. Kiev, you almost sound jealous. :D
Such people are surrounded with "yes men" and nobody to tell him "no". Everyone in this guys life repeatedly reaffirms to him how great he is and he believes it, most with some designs on that billion $'s plus. Tiger has bought into his own hype and truly believes he is above everything and everyone. The rules don't apply to him. And they very well may not. He can pay Elin's 100 million pre-nupt without batting much of an eye. If he never played golf again he would still enjoy a lifestyle of the less than one percent of the world.
His personal reputation may be shot and he is a failure as a husband and father but, he is far from "had". He still has the world by the nads.
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I long ago quit reading Golf Digest and trying out the latest club line. I've gone back to my 1971 Wilson Staff blades. (Call me old fashioned...but they're as comfortable as an old shoe).
Tiger deserves whatever is coming his way regarding his domestic affairs. Last I heard, Elin is definitely separating from him.
The media frenzy had definitely created an avalanche into Tiger's failings. TMZ is not planning on reversing it's course either because they felt slighted before when Tiger repeatedly refused to grant them interviews. They're going to get their silly scoop one way or another.
Tiger's even been implicated on performance enhancement investigation, but luckily he's absolved with the PGA.
Blades?! Yikes...I had one, a 2-iron, a long time ago. I must've swung it hundreds of times but can only tell you I hit the sweet spot only once. But as far as the oldie trustie clubs, there are times where I feel I can easily trade away my high techie hardware for my old Dunlap beginner's set that came free with a golf bag. So I know exactly what you mean... :)
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I would say about everything but should have used the term "weak billionare".
A man is only as faithful as his options or temptations. This man would not be given the time of day by the hoes if he was an average joe blow.
Speak for yourself, chief. You are probably right in regards to most guys cheating if they had more options, but I would never cheat on my future wife and kids with some dirty skanks like Tiger did.
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Tiger, that lion cheetah.....
Maybe someday soon Tiger can just retire from golf and become a politician. With his recent background, he'll definitely make a fine Democrat...
:P
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You may be right republicans only go after men in bathroom stalls :P
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You may be right republicans only go after men in bathroom stalls :P
Hahah Good one. Best birdie I've seen so far. Catch you on the next hole... ;)
I'll keep the Barney Frank ace in the bag for now...
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I was wondering why this thread is in the 'Questions to Ladies' forum?
Incidentally, I was of the same opinion first :) The name Tiger Woods met my eye a couple of times during my adult life, otherwise I have no idea of what he is.
But when I read Gator's question, I got the point. Yes, it seems like being correctly on its place.
As a mod, I feel I have to react somehow on the questions. Well, I find these questions extremely difficult to answer, and even more difficult to answer them correctly.
Let's go slowly and logically. Here we have a married man who wants to have sex with other women. This seems to be a natural male desire, as men are programmed to have sex with as many women as they can. Society suppress this desire, because it contradicts the family values which are important for the society's prosperity. Social values tend to hold up strong natural desires and at the same time to promote appearances of faithfulness, love and life security.
Proceeding from that, marriage is an instutite that protects women's interests. A man wants to be a winner; a woman wants a man who is a winner. By asking a woman's hand, a man seems to make a certain sacrifice, implying that he promises to have sex with this woman only, hence suppressing his own interest to sex many. Please don't get me wrong, this is not my opinion. I just try to be somehow unbiased, to a possible extent.
Now back to Tiger's. Besides being a man, he is a very rich man. Rich men do have choices, unlike many of us. Mating choices including. Therefore Tiger is doing what he can do, being up to his abilities.
Last but not least, he is a celebrity, in addition to the above. Celebrities are closely watched. I don't think that this contributed, though..but in order to comment about his celeb status and its implication on the love life, one should really know the person.
I see a number of off-topics here...may I ask you dears to stay on topic?
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Let's go slowly and logically. Here we have a married man who wants to have sex with other women. This seems to be a natural male desire, as men are programmed to have sex with as many women as they can. Society suppress this desire....
Proceeding from that, marriage is an instutite that protects women's interests. A man wants to be a winner; a woman wants a man who is a winner.
Lily..One cannot have a 'natural desire' and yet it is programmed also.
If so ...who programs it?
Modern day American society supresses nothing. Morals are falling apart just as they have in every other moral-less society.
There is an old saying..Judge not those who try and fail..judge those who fail to try.
So yes, Tiger Woods was a winner in golf..but now he is a loser in life.
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As a mod, I feel I have to react somehow on the questions.
I hope you react more often Lily than you have lately. I've always liked your posts.
Although Tiger has manly desires that need to get satisfied, there is something more important at stake and that is his integrity going to hell. He can't have one without compromising the other. I'm pretty sure he and his wife had a serious talk before marriage about the consequences of infidelity. ALL people should have that kind of serious talk before getting married. You might find out that you both don't care and like to switch partners on a regular basis. I don't think Tiger's wife is as much a swinger as Tiger is.
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A friend once sent me an article that concerned a study of men and women and their mating habits. It seems fairly well established that men are not programmed for monogamy, but what about women? The study suggested that women will romp with the exciting rebel and the strong athlete or warrior. But the ultimately tend to settle down with the accountant or college professor for the steady material support he will provide. Once married, she too will engage in sex with others, looking for offspring that may be physically stronger and have a better chance of survival.
My ex wife once read a magazine article that asserted that according to a survey the average man has x number of different sexual partners in his life while the average woman reported only half as many. This led to our first debate as a couple with your truly asserting that the numbers were mathematically implausible since each new and different partner for the man is also a new and different partner for the woman.
While we denigrate Eldrick for his failure to honor his marriage vows let not forget that none of his stable of mistresses was under the false impression that he was an eligible bachelor. How then can it be that a wife is more prone to fidelity than a husband?
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Lily..One cannot have a 'natural desire' and yet it is programmed also.
If so ...who programs it?
Well, I have read that sex is a natural men's need that is naturally programmed. If wrong, please correct as I am not a man in order to check it;)
A friend once sent me an article that concerned a study of men and women and their mating habits. It seems fairly well established that men are not programmed for monogamy, but what about women?
My belief is that most of women are programmed for monogamy. She needs not quantity but quality; so she wants only one man but he should be really loved by her. Yes I have heard about women who say they cannot live without sex, but they are definitely in minority.
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My belief is that most of women are programmed for monogamy. She needs not quantity but quality; so she wants only one man but he should be really loved by her.
Lily,
What percentage of single Russian women would you estimate would accept an offer from someone similar to Tiger, for example maybe Mikhail Prokhorov, to be their "part time" girlfriend, with a generous expense account included?
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Well, I have read that sex is a natural men's need that is naturally programmed. If wrong, please correct as I am not a man in order to check it
Hi Lily..
In your earlier post, you did not write that.
You wrote that men are "programmed to have sex with as many women as they can".
Men's [and women's] "needs" and the way they address them is what should separate them from a bunch of animals running around.
I've had my temptations in the almost 10 years we have been married here. That is all they were mainly because I believe there is more to it than 'just do it'.
Karl
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Lily,
What percentage of single Russian women would you estimate would accept an offer from someone similar to Tiger, for example maybe Mikhail Prokhorov, to be their "part time" girlfriend, with a generous expense account included?
No idea about any percentage. But some probably would.
Hi Lily..
In your earlier post, you did not write that.
You wrote that men are "programmed to have sex with as many women as they can".
I don't think that my two posts contradict each other.
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I don't think that my two posts contradict each other.
Then the idea of infidelity is really perfectly normal?
That Mrs Tiger Woods would be out of line with any objections of Mr Woods philandering, womanizing or any sordid affair because after all, he is natuarally programmed to behave in this manner?
OK
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A respectable source wrote that Tiger underwent emergency plastic surgery in Phoenix the day after he drove into the tree. Dental work too. Hence, no appearance.
The same source says that the couple are making progress towards reconciliation.
Who knows? Time will tell.
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What was written by the "source," defintely 'hearsay' to the second degree:
> Thought this might interest you - a friends who knows a member who belongs to Olympic Club in FL [I don't know of a Olympic club in FL, just the club in SF].
> A member lives 10 houses down from
> Tiger in Isleworth. As we know Tiger's agent is Mark
> Steinberg. This member plays golf and is real good friends
> with another IMG Agent; who is very good friends with Steinberg
and they share the same office. This information
> came from the other IMG Agent to this member, and then forwarded it.
> On Thanksgiving Day, after he and Elin and the family had
> Turkey Dinner, he spent the rest of the afternoon on the
> couch watching football and texting Rachel. After each
> received and sent text message he would clear his message
> box to rid himself of the evidence. Sometime in between
> there, one of his Orlando buds called him to see if he
> wanted to get together at the Clubhouse to play poker with
> the guys, to which Tiger said yes. Tiger left the house
> around 7:30 to go play poker, and left behind his cell
> phone....and one message he had forgot to delete from
> Rachel.
>
> When Tiger returned home around 11:30 -12 that night, Elin
> confronted him about the text message in the phone, and the
> started a heated discussion to its regards. According to
> what I was told, there was more "incriminating
> evidence" than just the text message (i.e. photos).
> Tiger tried to play it off to Elin by telling her she was
> reading too much in to it, and did not know the story, etc.
> Tiger went upstairs to chance into his gym shorts and t -
> shirt, came back down, and Elin confronted him again; to
> which Tiger gave the same story. Tiger sat down in a chair
> in the living room, and Elin sat acorss from him urging
> Tiger to just come clean. Tiger stayed to his guns and
> denied everything. At one point Tiger turned away to look at
> the TV, and as he turned back, Elin hit him on the right
> side of the face with the head of a 9 - iron. When she
> struck Tiger, she put a huge gash in the right side of his
> face next to his nose (causing his nose to bruise some), and
> virtually knocking two of his upper teeth out, and breaking
> the bone on the upper right side. Tiger ran scared as hell
> out of the house (which is why he had on no shoes) with Elin
> swinging the golf club thoughout the hallway to the garage
> (i.e causing the severe damage which has been reported).
> Tiger hoped in the Escalade and tried to leave; and as we
> know Elin knocked out the windows in the Escalade. When
> Tiger crashed, Elin panicked and was not sure what to tell
> the police (which is why there are two conflicting stories
> from her). When this happened, Elin immediately called Mark
> Steinberg to tell him what happened, and Mark told Elin to
> tell him what hospital they were going to, and he would meet
> them there.
>
> Tiger is transported to the hospital with Elin in the
> ambulance, and as they arrive Mark is there waiting for
> them. The people from the hospital and the doctors take
> Tiger in for X-Rays etc to check out the damage caused. The
> doctors tell Mark there is not much they can do to repair
> the teeth and the gash, but the doctor knows a cosmetic
> dentist and plastic surgeon in Phoenix who will make Tiger
> look as if nothing happened. Tiger tells Mark to get the jet
> ready and lets head to Phoenix to get this done. Friday
> after Tiger is released from the hospital, he does not
> return home, he and Mark board the plane for Phoenix. If you
> remember FHP kept showing up at Isleworth to talk to TIger,
> and was told by another FL attorney (who Tiger hired for PR
> reasons) Tiger was not ready to talk. Well now we know why,
> he was in Phoenix, and did not arrive back in Orlando until
> either late last Wednesday night or early Thursday morning.
> The surgeries were more intense than what they had
> originally planned, which meant Tiger was in PHX longer than
> he should have been. Upon arriving back in Orlando, Tiger
> and Elin have been in intense marriage conseling sessions
> (up to 6 to 7 hours a day) every day! Both Tiger and Elin
> have told the conselors they love each other, and want to
> make the marriage work. The reports you are reading on TMZ
> and RadarOnline are about 30% accurate at best according to
> Mark.
>
> In regards to Tiger's boat being in Palm Beach this
> week, along with Rachel; that part is true. However, Tiger
> is not on the boat, and is not in Palm Beach; and Rachel is
> not on the boat. Her parents live 6 blocks from where the
> boat is, but that is it. Tiger has not returned to his house
> at Isleworth since the day of the accident except for the
> therapy sessions. IMG has enlisted the assistance of one of
> its most recognized sports figures, and Tiger has taken up
> residence in his neighborhood; Bay Hill. IMG contacted
> Arnold Palmer because of the high regard in which Tiger
> holds Arnold. Arnold has agreed, and IMG has said if anyone
> can get through to Tiger, Arnold may be the only person who
> can based on his public persona when he was at the height of
> his game as well. The moving trucks being shown on TMZ and
> RadarOnline are moving out pictures and furniture which was
> damaged during their Thanksgiving Day argument; not of her
> moving out. Yes, Elin has retained a divorce attorney, but
> has not filed any papers, and as of yesterday had no
> intention on doing so. Tiger has not made any public
> appearances or statements due to the surgery and plastic
> surgery he had in PHX. It will be about another month if not
> more before he gets in front of a camera. Yes, Tiger is
> hitting golf balls late at ngiht at Bay Hill out of their
> teaching center (which is equipped with lights).
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This is what happened to Tiger Woods, but in terms that we can understand...
Two Woodpeckers...
A Mexican woodpecker and a Canadian woodpecker were in Mexico arguing about which country had the toughest trees.
The Mexican woodpecker claimed Mexico had a tree that no woodpecker could peck.
The Canadian woodpecker accepted his challenge and promptly pecked a hole in the tree with no problem.
The Mexican woodpecker was amazed.
The Canadian woodpecker then challenged the Mexican woodpecker to peck a tree in Canada that was absolutely 'impeckable' (a term frequently used by woodpeckers).
The Mexican woodpecker expressed confidence that he could do it and accepted the challenge.
The two of them flew to Canada where the Mexican woodpecker successfully pecked the so-called 'impeckable' tree almost without breaking a sweat.
Both woodpeckers were now terribly confused. How is it that the Canadian woodpecker was able to peck the Mexican tree, and the Mexican woodpecker was able to peck the Canadian tree, yet neither was able to peck the tree in their own country?
After much woodpecker pondering, they both came to the same conclusion:
Apparently, your pecker gets harder when you're away from home.
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Fascination with celebrity provides a little relief to a gray life. As there are many of those the manufacture of celebrity and publication of its exploits is a growth industry.
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A chance to make good?
Polish the image a bit?
TW could turn it all around...dump some time and cash into the Haitian relief effort.
Though some other rich guys could too........................
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I do not understand the commotion and loss of contracts.
Would any Hollywood star be out of work if his marriage broke up over a mistress ?
Would the US president be out of a job when an affair was revealed (we know the answer) ?
Then why punish a guy who had trouble in married life by withdrawing his income ?
If I were the marriage partner of Tiger, he would be kicked to the curb.
If I were the business partner of Tiger I would make sure my logo was on every shot they show of him.
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Shadow, I agree with you except that in this case they were actually buying/selling Tiger's "wholesome" image. I hear some of his sponsors included morals clauses in their contracts.
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Shadow, I agree with you except that in this case they were actually buying/selling Tiger's wholesome image. I hear some of his sponsors included morals clauses in their contracts.
Sponsors do not include such clauses for no reason. Most probably they were aware of a threat, and cutting some cost for a star who already is fading never hurt the sponsor. ;)
As they make big press releases about stopping the contract, and they are not simultaneously, the companies are trying to show their 'good image', while actually given the recent news before he got in to trouble they were looking for any opportunity to cut off the cashflow.
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Well, looks like Frito-Lay is seizing the moment... "Lay's, You Can't Have Just One"
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Tiger's agent says that Tiger will hold news conference Friday.
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Will be interesting to see if he plays the Masters this year. If he plays, the media will be all over him for not being committed to family. If he does not play, the media will be all over him as well.
I hope he tees it up and fails. I like Jack and do not want his records to ever be broken.
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TV ratings for golf tournaments have fallen like a rock. The golf business is hurting. It seems that even those people who don't pull for Tiger (e. g., Kievstar) miss him and this has reduced their interest in golf. They watched hoping he would lose. Now they don't watch.
BTW I understand the news conference is not really a conference. First, Tiger will not accept questions. Second, no tabloids are allowed. He will arrive and leave via helicopter.
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I do not understand the commotion and loss of contracts.
Would any Hollywood star be out of work if his marriage broke up over a mistress ?
Would the US president be out of a job when an affair was revealed?
Slick Willy was a reputed philanderer going into the White House.
The Hollywood types are expected to be unfaithful.
It seems to me like it is just the old retired actors who endorse stuff anymore.
Look how it went for OJ...............................................
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Gator has a good point. Tiger Woods is golf. Without Tiger, golf is just a little more popular than bowling on TV.
I have a good friend who married a Korean girl. After the Tiger wood incident she does not want her son playing golf. Her husband was a big ten golfer (not pro) and so the genes would be there. Tiger has a big influence over Asians (as he really is mainly Asian and not black). She views golf as a disgrace now. Its a little silly IMHO but Tiger has a huge impact on golf and what people think about it. Her husband is a very strong man so her son will be playing golf.
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While I can easily understand the economic implications that propelled Finchen to actually provide Tiger a full-on accomodation to stage his address, on his term, I am saddened both for the sport and the rest of his peers that this happened in this manner. Just like I feel about the silliness surrounding Phil's Eye3 wedgeeee drama.
Accenture's current tournament is suffering the consequences because of Tiger's transgressions, but to make matters worst, as though to get even for pulling out his sponsorship, picking this Friday to be 'D-DAY' is rather tasteless and inconsiderate on Tiger's part.
He couldv'e easily waited until Monday, Tuesday, or even Wednesday when the circuit is off. I'm sure his Rachel can wait.
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Two years from now, this will be nothing more than a blip in Tiger's career, if he behaves.
Kobe Bryant raped a girl, was unrepentant, and his jersey is the #1 seller in the NBA today.
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I find the entire hero worship thing a bit strange -- actors, sports figures, singers, etc.
That having been said, why is it big news that a sports figure is a scoundrel?
If it were a neighbor, an acquaintance, etc., unless it was something truly horrific, no one would care.
Yet somehow people both care and are "surprised" about his actions.
Kobe Bryant raped a girl, was unrepentant, and his jersey is the #1 seller in the NBA today.
And Pete Rose got banned for life for betting on baseball?
It's a crazy world.
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C'mon Tiger! I could've birdied that second hole >:( Quit choking...I didn't stay home today to watch a Sunday hack. Take lessons from KJ/Freddie if you must...sheeesh, unbelievable!
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C'mon Tiger! I could've birdied that second hole >:( Quit choking...I didn't stay home today to watch a Sunday hack. Take lessons from KJ/Freddie if you must...sheeesh, unbelievable!
Heh heh, you are watching the Master's I hope and not some pirated porn flick :o
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Heh heh, you are watching the Master's I hope and not some pirated porn flick :o
LOL. He is the best there is in sticking it into the hole, yes? But yes, the Masters. I was getting real po'd I actually folded up my wife's laundry and got it all put away. Thank goodness he had an eagle / birdie before the turn to make things a bit more interesting. KJ's been pretty steely so far. Good show right now.
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LOL. He is the best there is in sticking it into the hole, yes? But yes, the Masters. I was getting real po'd I actually folded up my wife's laundry and got it all put away. Thank goodness he had an eagle / birdie before the turn to make things a bit more interesting. KJ's been pretty steely so far. Good show right now.
I think he's proven that :D If he could putt he could probably salvage a decent round.
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Jimeney. When the day started, there were 2 Englishmen, 4 California boys, 3 Socal - 1 Norcal - and 1 Socal resident that were in the top 10 contending for the Masters. When it was over, Norcal boy played exactly like a Norcal boy and fell out of the top 10 only to be replaced by another Norcal Boy in Nick Watney.
If Mickelson isn't such a nerd, I'd be a fan as only he and Anthony Kim actually came out to play today like a Socal boy can. Tiger was simply unTiger-esque. Yet he still shot under par all 4 days and finished at -11. He'd be -13 if he didn't give up and 3-putted from 4 silly feet on 15 and traded a birdie for a bogey. Still, I wish I can hack that nicely. He simply need to start laying his wood on the right bush from now on.
Congrats Phil! #!@$! Props to Socal adopted son Freddie and also to KJ and Lee.
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I was getting real po'd I actually folded up my wife's laundry and got it all put away.
You're invited over the next time you watch the Masters. I'll have our laundry and my vacuum ready :)
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Tiger Woods has never won a major when trailing after 54 holes. Tiger Woods in the 14 major's he has won never has had his best round in the 4th round. Tiger's strength is leading after 3rd round and staying around par watching everybody else crumbling in the 4th. The Masters did not tighten up the course and it prevented Tiger from watching the others fall apart.
Tiger played as good as he normally does but the rest of the field has stepped up. If Tiger Woods does not win a major this year he and Jack will be tied with 14 majors at the age of 35. Odds are Tiger will win more after 35 than Jack as Jack was not as focused on golf as he had all the records he wanted. But Tiger is not as strong as he was back in 2002 physically. Since October 2002 he has a 6 major to 4 major lead over Phil. Phil's game will not decrease as he ages as much as Tiger as Phil was never in shape. The youngsters who watched Tiger growing up are starting to join the tour. 2010 to 2012 will determine Tiger's ability to catch Jack.
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Dears, I wonder how is Tiger Woods related to the men who search Russian Woman?
I realize that he might be a big star in the U.S., but a number of people, especially in Russia, have no idea about what he is, not to say cannot tell a word about him and his relationships... ::)
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You're invited over the next time you watch the Masters. I'll have our laundry and my vacuum ready :)
Yeah. Actually wifey cleaned up the house (less the kitchen) yesterday while I went and played golf. So today I cleaned the kitchen, did the laundry, and cleared up the garage while she spent the day with her friends at the Promenade and likely shared gossips with one another. BTW, don't ever think I never root for Mike Weir. Likely the nicest guy on tour!
Dears, I wonder how is Tiger Woods related to the men who search Russian Woman?
LOL. If Maria Verchenova (http://www.mariaverchenova.com/) can earn her LPGA tour card, instead of being stuck in the Euro-tour, it won't be long before Tiger becomes a household name in Russia. She can pair up with Anna Rawson (http://www.annarawson.com/) on any given Sunday and I'm bailing on the PGA...
But seriously, I believe the original intent of the thread was a solicitaion of FSUW's opinion about Tiger's, eherm... Transgressions. According to my wife, chances are men in Russia will likely applaud Tiger like they did Slick Willy. Most folks in Russia, from what I came to understand, didn't quite understood what the fuzz was about when Monica came to visit the White House to mop up.
But maybe it's time to put a lock on this thing...
Kievstar -
You know, methinks Tiger will win at least 2 Majors this year. Phil won not because he played great. He won because Tiger played crappy. Yesterday Phil had to have eagle/eagle/birdie at Amen's corner just to get a shop up on Tiger for Sunday. Then he only shot two better than him today despite both days Tiger technically never had control of his shots. That is bad news for everyone if Tiger can somehow figure his swing up.
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Kobe Bryant raped a girl, was unrepentant, and his jersey is the #1 seller in the NBA today.
On July 15, three days before Bryant was charged with sexual assault, Faber allegedly bragged about having sex with Bryant at a party, and gave a graphic description of the NBA star's penis. Steve Evancho told NBC News that he was surprised when Faber showed up at his house party. “She was bragging about the whole thing," Evancho said, adding that the woman seemed "happy. She was having fun." And answered a question about his penis “with a gesture and a description
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case
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Hi,
My avatar is old but my man wins again.
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GQ, I would agree I think Phil is a gambler and usually it fails. Only 3 scores have ever been better than minus 16 in history of that course - Tiger has best at minus 18, Jack and Ray Floyd the other minus 17 scores.
Guy I like is A Kim this year - he talks and thinks like Tiger but has a better build for golf than Tiger has (Tiger has such long arms and range that he has to have his swing perfect). He is the guy Tiger needs to watchout for. Tiger could easily win 3 majors in a row or never win one again. Would not suprise me either which way as Tiger's body is falling apart. Phil will never play like he did this past weekend again. If Phil had folded I bet Tiger would have won as Westwood and A Kim would have felt pressure.
The next three majors will be interesting for Tiger as the competition this year is the greatest it has been since Tiger has been alive but the majors are on courses Tiger loves. I am a Jack fan so love watching Tiger fall apart. My favorite golfer is John Daly as I usually play golf loaded as well. I have broken par only one time in my life and I was drunk. My normal game is 100 so you can tell what vodka can do in October Michgian weather. I was still 5 shots worse than the course record held by Ben Hogan. I play with 1982 year clubs as well.
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GQ, I would agree I think Phil is a gambler and usually it fails. Only 3 scores have ever been better than minus 16 in history of that course - Tiger has best at minus 18, Jack and Ray Floyd the other minus 17 scores.
I wouldn't call Mickelson a gambler. I think he just chokes. Numerous times he was clearly the better golfer and playing better golf only to blow a good lead and the tournament. I like Phil and always have. I had the opportunity to meet him once and he is a very approachable guy.
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Best Masters ever even without closing drama. Fantastic shots and sequences.
Look at the leaderboard - the cream rose to the top.
In our club draw, I selected 15th and Lee Westwood was still available. So I jumped all over him. There was money for best round each day and big money if he won. Each day except Thursday he had a lead. Each day he came in second. No money for second. Oh well.
Lee has not done well in the majors on the final day. However, he remains a gentleman. Did you notice on Friday how he was distracted on the 18th tee by the crowd? He turned to look at the crowd, yet he said nothing. Tiger would have cursed and screamed at them.
Lilly, you asked:
I wonder how is Tiger Woods related to the men who search Russian Woman?
Great question!!!
Tiger is selfish, scripted and egotistical. He feels entitled. He was born with incredible athletic talent and high intelligence. Although well educated at one of America's best universities, he does more thinking with his little head (maybe his little head is not so little considering that one of his dalliances, a pornstar, said he has the largest penis that she has even seen). Add this up: incredible talent, intelligent, huge penis .....who claims that God is always fair. :)
Now contrast Tiger with the winner, Phil Michelson. The difference is stark. Phil is a devoted family man. His wife was diagnosed with breast cancer a year ago. While her prognosis is good, the treatment is horrendous. Phil has stood beside her all this time (unlike Democrat Edwards and his ill wife). Phil's mother also has breast cancer. And the evening before the final round, Phil's daughter broke her wrist. Phil stopped everything to attend to her.
Is Phil perfect? Far from it. He is an avid gambler on and off the course. He supposedly had huge gambling debts a few years ago. His gambling spirit manifested itself on the 13th hole. His ball came to rest behind a tree and on slippery pine straw. With a 2-shot lead, 98% of the PGA golfers would have laid up. Instead, he went for the green with all of us assuming he would again blow another lead on the final holes of a major. He hit an incredible shot (how could he miss that putt)!
So Lily, I leave it to you to decide. Some AM chasing RW are like Tiger, some are like Phil. We are all different, just like the RW we pursue.
P. S. The best part of the Masters was Freddie. Ambling around the course in a 50-yo body with all the cool in the world, and hitting the ball as far as the young kids. I have got to get me some skateboarding golf shoes like Freddie's. Come on Ecco, release them to the public.
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Final thought.
I have always been a big fan of Tiger and indifferent to Phil. Given everything, I am now a Phil fan.
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Based on both the Golden Bear and the King's opinion, add the current PGA players - bar none they all agree, strictly based on the game of golf, Tiger is tops. Beyond that, obviously not. The single biggest difference between Tiger and many of the other world renowned athletes out there today is, Tiger got caught.
Payne Stewart was a player's gentleman, but the late night stories of parties and gallery birdies Freddie recounted in their PGA days (Payne's married) hardly makes Tiger's story unique. Michael Jordan was not immune to this neither was Magic Johnson, Agassi, Connors, and so many others that came before Tiger. Does that make his acts excusable? Of course not, but it is his golfing talent and skill I've learned to appreciate.
Manny Pacquiao, pound for pound the very best fighter arguably ever...gives out more than half his earnings back to the entire community/city/country he hailed from - YET - even he was fragile enough to succumb to the temptation of flesh. It doesn't diminish his boxing skills and prowess, and his pilantrophic nature hardly excuses his ethical disposition. He's still a great boxer.
It didn't make David Letterman any less funny, Jack Nicholson never lost his screen magic and America and the world still loves Slick Willy Clinton, right?
There's a great segment in the recent movie with George Clooney, titled: "Up In The Air", that touched on this very subject. Cool flick and great perspective to these modern day athletes' sense of entitlements and disposition.
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he does more thinking with his little
Has therapy transformed him into a family man? If his desire for a variety of women is stronger than settling down with one woman, he will be miserable. I don't think his current sex life with his wife is going to blossom anytime soon and Tiger has manly needs to fulfill. I think he's suffering.
Final thought.
I have always been a big fan of Tiger and indifferent to Phil. Given everything, I am now a Phil fan.
You and millions of other people are less impressed with Tiger. It's no surprise many companies quit doing business or are holding back from doing business with him. Overall, I'd say his affairs is going to cost him hundreds of millions of dollars. He should have understood his physical needs better and stayed single.
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Guy I like is A Kim this year
I agree. Anthony need to make sure he doesn't lose focus simply because he's won. This is arguably the single biggest pitfall from these players. They win a tourney and next thing you know, they fall of the charts. It happened to Stenson, Cink, Villegas, Furyk, etc...
Anthony was asked which course he would choose if he only had to play one course for the rest of his life, after playing these courses on the tour; he answered 'Woodley Lakes'. A local city course in San Fernando valley where he used to play everyday in. It has fairways and greens as big and wide as China, LOL.
add: IMO, Westwood will never win a Major. He lacks both the luck and fortitude on every given Sunday. Plus he can't really shape his shots. Vital to finish and play these courses today. At least not nearly as well as the rest of the top 5-10 players today.
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Tiger is tops.
Agree, and that explains why I was his fan. No one could hit so many dramatic shots. His talent was more than entertaining.
The single biggest difference between Tiger and many of the other world renowned athletes out there today is, Tiger got caught.
That is not why he is no longer my favorite modern era golfer.
1. Golf is a game of integrity and grace. This concept extends beyond the ropes, and there he failed miserably.
2. Golf is a gentleman's game. He is no gentleman.
I will not criticize his tawdry affairs even though the huge number is not something that I find amusing. Frankly, I would have been embarrassed if it were me (assuming I was capable).
What got me at first is the hypocrisy of representing himself in his commercials as a decent guy. What gets me even more is the recent revelation about his young neighbor. He now sounds like a predator, and that is bad, real bad. There must be one angry father in Orlando.
America is famous for giving people a second chance. And the Masters' fans surely did. Did he acknowledge that after completing Sunday's round? No. He talked only about his bad play. He should have first thanked the crowd and the fans. I am sure his advisers coached him to do exactly that. He did not because he is too competitive. He came there totally focused on winning when instead his objective should have been contrition. All these players are competitive, yet they respect the game enough to not let it control them. Where's the grace that is part of the history of this game?
He had earlier announced his objective to control his emotions. He failed at that too. He had no terrible displays such as Tommy Bolt would have done, yet he did slip a couple of times. So what did he say afterwards to address this? instead of saying, "I got more work to do" he said "People are making too big of a deal about this."
For the past few months I had given Tiger the benefit of the doubt, dismissing it as a personal choice. After this weekend I will still follow Tiger, yet I will be rooting for the other guy most of the time. Tiger has more work to do if he wants my fan support. And I certainly would not buy a Nike shirt.
So Tiger, how will you play the "back nine" of your career?
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A picture will stay in my mind a long time. It is of Phil joyfully and compassionately hugging his cancer stricken wife after winning.
And what crossed my mind was the fact there would have been no one for Tiger to hug if he had won.
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A picture will stay in my mind a long time. It is of Phil joyfully and compassionately hugging his cancer stricken wife after winning.
And what crossed my mind was the fact there would have been no one for Tiger to hug if he had won.
A pretty big difference Gator. Tiger was staying alone at a rented mansion in Augusta and had another mansion for his staff. It doesn't really matter how well or not he plays golf--the guy is just very light in the character department. In some of the quick interviews he just comes off as a brat. Probably he has some real personality problems aside from his other problems. Golf has been a gentleman's game and Tiger is no Jack Nicklaus.
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Obviously Tiger's public persona and his personality behind the scenes were different and his private personality when he thought nobody was looking was yet something else altogether.
Gator, the man is a D-O-G dog. I don't have to admire or approve of his off the course antics to admire his game. I question whether he will ever be the Tiger of old on the course again. Kind of like Col. Tom Parker did with Elvis, Nike bought and paid for a squeaky clean image and surprisingly they are one of the few that didn't dump him. Tiger has been an ass to the fans and the media who praised him and then contributed to knocking him off that perch and well deserved.
I see his game falling as the younger guys come up and eat his lunch. He's good, he's still damn good but, he's no Palmer or Nicklas. On the course or off. I also somewhere inside me look forward to him failing. He's good for golf but he's also giving it a bad name. I've noticed you don't hear much comment from other guys on the tour. Apparently many of them don't want to turn any focus from Tiger onto themselves.
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Time for me to weigh in here with my opinions.
I was always a huge Tiger fan and was rooting for him yesterday. When it became apparent that he wasn't going to win I thought to myself, "Maybe it's best for him and his fans".
Does he really deserve to come back after a five month hiatus, with his attitude, what he's been through and win so easily?
I believe he will be able to catch Jack in the next few years.
Final thoughts.
If at or near the end of his career, for whatever reason, he hasn't managed to catch Jack, I'd put him on suicide watch.
He's the type of guy who would do it.
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Dears, I wonder how is Tiger Woods related to the men who search Russian Woman?
I realize that he might be a big star in the U.S., but a number of people, especially in Russia, have no idea about what he is, not to say cannot tell a word about him and his relationships... ::)
Lily,
There is one golf country club in Moscow. I don't know of any more. I read that someone built a driving range in Kyiv, but there are zero golf courses in Ukraine. So there are probably about 200 guys in Moscow that might care, but the other millions and myself probably don't. As Luda or someone said, if you take anything to extremes it becomes bad. Tiger went over the edge with competitiveness, and other things.
I'm sure there are many married men that make trips to FSU looking for girlfriends, but I wouldn't say that they are similar to the Tiger ordeal. Tiger might act more like some wealthy Russian married men.
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That is not why he is no longer my favorite modern era golfer.
1. Golf is a game of integrity and grace. This concept extends beyond the ropes, and there he failed miserably.
2. Golf is a gentleman's game. He is no gentleman.
As an avid golfer, one only has to wonder then how can Bobby Jones be held as the game's pinnacle of greatness. If I am not mistaken, when it was evident he was having a bad day at St Andrew's years ago, he took all his clubs and broke them then proceeded to finish his rounds like a careless rabid dog and completely lambasted the crowds and Directors of the tournament.
Yet, when Bobby Jones is spoken of today, he's revered as the sport's truest definition of a gentleman. When in fact, he had the fairway temper of a hungry wolf. Tiger, compared to him, is a helpless 6-week old puppy. That's a joke. Hogan was a womanizer. That's also a joke. Like Payne Stewart after them, these guys are held as gentlemen and heroes of this game. LOL.
Billy Payne likely knows what was good for Augusta. The players themselves are also privy to each other's temperament, grace, and camaraderie which none of us are privilege enough to witness or know. However, I know for a fact, based on player interviews and remarks, Phil Mickelson for some strange reason is hated more by his peers than Tiger.
Remember the time when he and Vijay Singh almost got into a fisticuff and their dislike of one another is still apparent even till now? Vijay just cannot be in the same room as Phil, and Vijay is as reserved as they come. They had one pairing since then and even Johnny Miller remarked how the tension was as thick as the Georgia summer humidity. Did you know about that?
Phil Mickelson is so dislike amongst his peers than they do Tiger. For what, who knows? One would easily think that these players see far more of these two than any of us here combined. Steve Stricker, Kenny Perry, Sean O'Hair, Jim Furyk, Anthony Kim, Luke Donald, Notah Begay, KJ Choi, David Duval, Hunter Mahan, heck even John Daly...etc. all publicly and readily admits to being friends with Tiger Woods. When was the last time you heard ANYONE said that about Phil Mickelson? Maybe that doesn't say anything about Phil as a person to anyone...but you know, it does to me.
Everytime and anywhere there's a tournament to play and players are practicing, how many times have you seen Phil practicing by himself? LOL. None, right? The guy has to have Bones, Harmon, Stockton, Peltz, and Leadbetter around him...maybe to get better, or maybe just to have ANYONE around him. LOL.
As for Tiger's remark with the media...well, that's the media. There was hardly a mention of Tiger actually spending 3 hours signing autographs leaving him with only an hour to practice before his rounds on Friday & Saturday. That's the media for you. Peter Usterhius, an English gentleman to boot, had to go out of his way during the post-round interview (in which questions are asked of players to assess their just concluded round) simply to ask Tiger what he thought of the plane that flew by that carried the banner sign: "Tiger: Is it Bootyism?" What was the point in that? Was that really an appropriate question at that juncture? Especially from an alleged gentleman? He used to be a PGA player of the game. Respected too.
As for his remark regarding his play, I agree with him. The media (not the public) do in fact made a big deal of too many things, but such is life. You can hardly expect anyone, even Tiger, to walk with a pep when things are out of whack on a very important tournament, let alone a Major.
Remember Westwood's remark during the '08 Ryder Cup about the fans? Remember the story I told you about how he sandbagged his last putt at the Chevron Challenge last year to enable Graeme McDowell a chance to get into this year's Masters? That wasn't very sportsmanlike, is it? Yet you use him as somehow a beacon of courtesy and decency on this thread.
What about Sergio Garcia spitting inside the cup after retrieving the ball when he was having a bad day. Bubba Watson's profanity towards another player, etc...Don't even get me started with Colin Mongomerie / John Daly / Ian Woosnam / even John McEnroe...LOL.
When I think of folks like Michael Jordan, I think of his basketball dominating skills. Not the huge chip on his shoulders that went all the way back from his high school days. Those moments in his life that he wrestled with that he now confessed is what made him the player he is/was.
As for all the background on Tiger's personal life, likely a case damned if you do and damned if you don't. I would bet much of the decisions made during the past 5 tumultous months in his life and love were likely made by professional PR people and family.
As for me, I separate the person from the sport figure. I love Magic Johnson and what he brought to the game. It doesn't mean I supported his wonton disposition at every city's hotel they used to stay in that ultimately caused him to contract HIV. And yes, when I do watch David Letterman these days, I still find him pretty funny.
Outside of Tiger, I hope David Duval do find his game again. On the course, Tiger is still my man because of the shots like he did for his approach on the first day of this Masters at hole #9. No one, not even Phil at his greatest moment can manufacture that type of shot. Those types of creativity is why I will always be a Tiger Woods fan.
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As an avid golfer, one only has to wonder then how can Bobby Jones be held as the game's pinnacle of greatness. If I am not mistaken, when it was evident he was having a bad day at St Andrew's years ago, he took all his clubs and broke them then proceeded to finish his rounds like a careless rabid dog and completely lambasted the crowds and Directors of the tournament.
You wrote a lot. Being a Southerner and a golfer, the name Bobby Jones is dear to me so I will comment. And the name Bobby Jones is very appropriate considering that he created and founded the Masters tournament, on the course he co-designed with Alister MacKenzie.
Yes, Bobby had anger management problems when young. He had the nickname “club thrower.” Regarding the St. Andrews incident, this is a handy reference.
www.viewsmagazine.com/img/articles/bobby_jones1.pdf
The story can be summarized as follows: After a series of bad holes and taking five shots to reach the green at the Par 3 11th, Bobby Jones tore up his scorecard at St. Andrews in 1921, exclaiming his dislike for the course. The local press wrote "Master Bobby is just a boy, and an ordinary boy at that."
His worst anger display came at the 1922 US Open when he made a bad shot and threw his club, hitting a female spectator. The USGA sanctioned him with expulsion.
Bobby got over his anger and returned to win both the British Open and Amateur titles at the Old Course, setting a 4-day scoring record that stood for almost 30 years.
It is said that Bobby mastered the game at age 12, but did not master himself until he was 21. Hence his expression, “Golf is played on a 5-inch course, the space between the ears.”
The St. Andrews incident came when Bobby was 19, not 34 as is Tiger. Did you know that Bobby retired from competition at the age of 28. Maybe Tiger will change too and once again ingratiate if not endear himself.
The reverence for Bobby was earned in so many ways. For example, he was highly respected for his sportsmanship, as exemplified by a 1925 incident:
From Wiki,
Early in his amateur career, he was in the final playoff of the 1925 U.S. Open at the Worcester Country Club. During the match, his ball ended up in the rough just off the fairway, and as he was setting up to play his shot, his iron caused a slight movement of the ball. He immediately got angry with himself, turned to the marshals, and called a penalty on himself. The marshals discussed among themselves and questioned some of the gallery whether they had seen Jones's ball move. Their decision was that neither they nor anyone else had witnessed any incident, so the decision was left to Jones. Bobby Jones called the two-stroke penalty on himself, not knowing that he would lose the tournament by one stroke. When he was praised for his gesture, Jones replied, "You may as well praise a man for not robbing a bank."
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Good for Bobby!
Yes, that act was certainly admirable to say the least. So much credit was given to Bobby Jones for that act even to this very day, and deservedly so. A gift that keeps on giving. The media still talk about that every chance they get. Funny that...not too many of them will waste the same bandwith to speak about a more recent acts of same and remind people who Mark Wilson and JP Hayes are. Their acts were no more than 2-3 years ago and their situations were no less significant than Jones'. Maybe the popularity isn't as significant? After all, what has Hayes and Wilson really done and really, who are they? The media, oh well...
As for hypocrisy, morality, decency, and second chances; yes its fitting this all happened at Augusta and once again, Tiger brought it all on.
Anyway, for now and this year, it's TPC, Pebble, St Andrew's, and Whistling Straits are left on tap. Fore!
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Anyway, for now and this year, it's TPC, Pebble, St Andrew's, and Whistling Straits are left on tap. Fore!
Just like life - all of us have other opportunities in front of us.
And I believe your man Tiger (formerly my man) will eventually change to someone more affable. And he will still win more majors, many more.
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I have always had a lot of respect for Bobby Jones. His anger management may not have been the best but he was never reported to throw his club in the same type of places Tiger did. Otherwise most everyone feels he was a true gentleman who made a lot of contributions to golf and dealt with a lot of adversity in his personal life but persevered to do a lot of good with his life. Actually my first woods had his name on them which made me a little more aware of him.
I have no doubts that Tiger will win a lot of tournaments in what is left of his golf career. I don't think his earnings will ever recover totally but he will still have his fans and there will still be sponsors willing to give him big bucks. I don't think his image will ever recover totally but many will forget all this in time.
As much as he impacts tv viewers I still think Arnie did more to popularize golf. As good as Tiger is I think there were others who could have given him a run for his money in their hay day. A lot of his popularity was based on the public perception of him which has changed. Perhaps Kobe still sells a lot of shirts but did he ever have the clean cut image that fans unknowingly gave to Tiger?
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Tiger's earnings will be more than ever. He is just getting into golf course building. Drop the wife and he picks up 50%. More people pay attention to Tiger now than before. He really should go with the bad guy image.
Tiger's health will determine if he wins anymore majors. He is not in great health. Reminds me of Nadal in tennis. 2 years ago I was telling people in Switzerland Nadal would be the man. I was quickly told Nadal holds the racket wrong and swings to wildly which will lead to all kinds of injuries. They were right. I have heard the same thing about Tiger as his swing is not correct for his body type. He has changed his swing a lot. Go through the majors and you will find that Tiger usually wins because of his play on par 5's. Once his distance goes he no longer has his advantage. He set an alltime record at the masters for par 5 play but still lost by numerous strokes. His body will not be able to handle him swinging like that.
I always like the underdog so will be rooting against him.
Phil is not well liked since he would never hangout with the players and for past 15 years told everybody he would rather be with his wife and kids than players lounge. Golf is a good old boy network and when Phil shuns the players you can see the resentment. There are a lot of golfers banging women on the side. Tiger is not the only one. But Phil just did not want to be around people like that. This was discussed on the Rome show yesterday. Mark O'meara is another womanizer not sure if he was / is married or not. But Mark was the guy to take Tiger under his wing back in the 1990's when a famous golfer caused some issues with Tiger at the Masters back in the 1990's.
But Tiger has made me more interested in watching the majors now. In the long run Tiger's women will be good for golf.
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His anger management may not have been the best but he was never reported to throw his club in the same type of places Tiger did.
..."But just prior to that, dissatisfied with his approach shot, Bobby (Jones) had thrown his club back toward his bag, lying on the ground near the gallery. The club glanced off the bag, bounced up, and hit a female spectator in the lower leg… Walker [USGA President] warned: "You will never play in a USGA event again unless you learn to control your temper."
It fascinates me to no end how our own personal biases can look at the same infraction in different shades of pale.
Otherwise most everyone feels he was a true gentleman *who made a lot of contributions to golf* and *dealt with a lot of adversity* in his personal life but persevered to do a lot of good with his life.
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GQ,
It is okay to still like Tiger. That is your prerogative. You are not alone.
However, please don't defend Tiger by saying he is no worse than the next golfer.
I expect Tiger's PR consultants will use the Masters as a learning experience for him. He will be better at Sawgrass.
Regarding Phil and whether he is liked by his fellow golfers, Kievstar is correct in that Phil would rather spend his time with his wife. I respect his family values and his diplomacy, even if he is perhaps an insincere sycophant. One radio commentator referred to him as the Eddie Haskell of golf. :D
Will I root for Phil? Yes, if battling Tiger. No, if battling Freddie, Ernie, Retief, Kenny and a few others.
Turbo,
Bobby Jones was just 20 years old when the GQ quoted incident occurred. He quickly learned to control his temper. Part of growing up, becoming a better man.
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Gator-
Huge difference between liking someone and being a fan of an athlete's talent and skills. I thought I made those separation clear in my earlier posts. I do not know Tiger Woods, the person, on any personal level to determine if I like him as a person or not.
I highly doubt kievstar knows Phil Mickelson, or yourself, well enough to make such a definitive statement as to why Phil is disliked by his peers. To say the reason for that is because he doesn't want to hang out with the boys because he's married is pure speculation, and is insulting the likes of Kenny Perry, Stricker, Furyk, et all. Unless he has facts to back up what he stated, as well as you, then please indulge me.
Sports Illustrated conducted a poll back in 2007 from the PGA players themselves on who they would rate as most favorite and least favorite playing partner - regardless of marriage status, LOL. Here's the result (http://www.waggleroom.com/2007/5/11/15323/2094). You can guess placements.
"...In the most-popular playing partner poll, Phil Mickelson didn't receive a single vote. In the least-popular playing partner poll, Tiger Woods didn't receive a single vote...."
A year before that, here's the 2006 GQ Magazine list of 10 Most Hated Athletes (http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/200601/most-hates-athletes).
I am not a Phil fan although I'm happy for him when he wins for no other reason than he's from SoCal.
As for age/temper, the discussion was about outbursts and tempers, and not age. To submit Bobby Jones' age as an excuse for his outburst and temper hardly makes a reasoned point.
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GQ,
The information your provided is amusing. Yes, Rory should be recognized as the worst.
These reports confirm what I heard yesterday from a sports commentator and wrote earlier- Phil is the Eddie Haskell of golf. :D Phil still is a devoted family man, and that was the stark contrast with Tiger, other than 'whooping' him.
If this is about who is the better golfer, I agree that Tiger is indeed a better golfer than Phil. So if you are a fan of Tiger simply because of his ball striking skills, why not be a fan of the man Sam Snead called the "The greatest striker of the ball." That man would be Moe Norman (a real life 'Tin Cup' or 'Baggar Vance' type of character). So there is more than just pure talent.
As for age/temper, the discussion was about outbursts and tempers, and not age. To submit Bobby Jones' age as an excuse for his outburst and temper hardly makes a reasoned point.
I agree, age is not an excuse for a disturbing act. Will you accept it as a reason for an immature act? The point is that the man whose reputation you questioned did indeed behave like a brat, yet he quickly improved to master his emotions and excel at sportsmanship.
Tiger is 14 years older now than when Bobby threw that club. And Tiger has been coached since his infancy for this place in history. He seems to be pissing it away.
An integral part of golf is its intriguing history. Please be careful of an icon such as Bobby Jones. I don't know if you have time to read in depth; if not, rent a copy of "Stroke of Genius."
And if you search for a true gentleman of the game, I suggest Byron Nelson.
Have you yet made a pilgrimage to Scotland? I have done two trips to Ireland, and they were a joy. I once played in the Member-Guest at Ballybunion. The Irish taught me a lot about the essence of the game. Had too many pints, tapped some strange (divorce was pending), and somewhere have a photo of me buggering the life-size statue of Bill Clinton that stands in front of the police station. The Ballybunion people had little nice to say about Bill because he cheated at golf. Imagine that.
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Perfect timing by SNL
http://www.hulu.com/watch/141555/saturday-night-live-masters
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Slammin' Sammy was well ahead of my time. Prior to Tiger, Freddie was the man for me, still is. As Johnny Miller eloquently described his swing "Just....Butter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs40wEs4q6g)"
But Tiger reinforced my appreciation of his skills last weekend when he made this shot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlVhj0MZ7yg&feature=related) look so easy. Under the conditions he was in, plus the wind, to birdie that hole was just absolutely incredible. He literally swung at 10 o'clock and hook it to 5 o'clock right at the teeth of that wind, and land that ball 6 feet from the pin for a birdie. Absolutely phenomenal!
I'll make it to Pebble Beach this year as long as I meet wifey's condition that we can go only if we stayed at Ragged Point Inn (http://www.raggedpointinn.com/), an incredibly romantic hideaway along the coast south of Big Sur. I may even manage to get a photo with Tiger hopefully holding the trophy National once again.
You should try to make it........
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I may even manage to get a photo with Tiger hopefully holding the trophy National once again.
Las Vegas bookmakers will have Tiger the heavy favorite to win. Did he not set the US Open scoring record at Pebble years ago?
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I listen to Jim Rome most days and the information about Phil came from his show and golf analysts. I tend to think there right on about Phil. Jim Rome is the #1 sports radio show in USA after 10 am and he has the top golf analysts on all the time. You can listen to old tapes of the Rome show on his website. Rome is a Cali boy as well. Surprised you do not listen. When it comes to sports I will debate that more than RW topics. I spend maybe 15 minutes a day here maximum and the other board but more than 3 hours on sports forums a day.
I have actually met Phil since he is a big sponsor of my former company - KPMG. I have met Tiger before too and not impressed. I would rather hangout with John Daly but do not know him. Hard to invite John to executive seminars for speaking.
Tiger's favorite course is Pebble. He should win it easily if healthy. 3 of the 4 majors are on Tiger's favorite courses this year.
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Las Vegas bookmakers will have Tiger the heavy favorite to win. Did he not set the US Open scoring record at Pebble years ago?
He won by 15 shots. It would've been more had he not miss a 6 footer and a 5 footer on that weekend's Saturday. I think he only managed a 1-under 71 or something like that...If he wins at least 3 times more at Augusta, he'll own just about every record at the course.
Anyway, it's announced today that the divorce is finally getting wrapped up. Apparently had been in the works for sometime now. Gives another perspective to Tiger's woes over the weekend.
I think this is the best thing for Elin under the circumstances. Maybe Tiger too. I can't comment on the kids.
Before Tiger got married, I used to remember watching him practice by himself after each and every round until sundown. Then always be the first ones out on the practice facilities in the morning before teeing out. Since he got married, he never did that as much as he did before. Maybe now the divorce will get him back to just being Tiger. Get Nicklaus' Major record, win at the Riviera at least once (he never won at the Riviera even back in his hgh school days IIRC), and then just wrap all these up and call it a career.
btw Gator- I just now saw the photo you posted. That's a great pic, but.....graphite shaft? :P
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I listen to Jim Rome most days and the information about Phil came from his show and golf analysts. I tend to think there right on about Phil. Jim Rome is the #1 sports radio show in USA after 10 am and he has the top golf analysts on all the time. You can listen to old tapes of the Rome show on his website. Rome is a Cali boy as well. Surprised you do not listen. When it comes to sports I will debate that more than RW topics. I spend maybe 15 minutes a day here maximum and the other board but more than 3 hours on sports forums a day.
Kievstar-
Rome's cool. I used to listen to him too when I used to commute to work, but he got more tiring to me than Mark & Brian. You have to remember, Rome's not anymore privileged to info despite having a full staff of analysts and feeders than Howard Stern. That excert from the link I posted basically explains what I'm trying to say...
Last August at the PGA Championship at Baltusrol, in New Jersey, a reporter turned to a golfer on the tour and said of Phil Mickelson, “Man, the fans here love Phil.” The golfer replied, “They don’t know him the way we do.” It blew our minds a little when we heard this, since Mickelson ranks among the most admired golfers in America. But today the same reporter makes his case bluntly: “Phil Mickelson literally has no friends out there. He annoys everybody.”
I doubt Jim Rome and his staff have full knowlege of Phil's personality as much as the PGA players who share clubhouse lockers with these guys.
This whole public persona thing, as you know, can be misleading. John Edwards went on public TV to deny his affair and gave out a sob story how it pains him to worry about his breast-cancer stricken wife, who urged him to campaign for the preliminary while she underwent therapy. Then embarked on his campaign trails with his assistant. People voted for this man believing he's such a caring, loving family man. The rest, as we all know now, is history.
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btw Gator- I just now saw the photo you posted. That's a great pic, but.....graphite shaft? :P
You got me. :D
10 years ago I had a much faster swing and enjoyed hitting the ball far (7 iron went 170). Now, I have rifle shafts and I swing with more control (7 iron goes 150) and my handicap has dropped to a 10.
Considering my advanced age, I am contemplating whether to switch to R-flex graphite on G-15 Ping irons. Not yet, however.
I think this is the best thing for Elin under the circumstances. Maybe Tiger too. I can't comment on the kids.
Kids always suffer the most, especially if she moves them to Sweden. That will be a highly contested point in the divorce if there is a divorce.
Tiger was not ready to be married and drive his kids to Krispy Kreme wearing THE GREEN JACKET. [Phil, the eyeglasses and doughnuts make you look like a geek.]
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/metro/2010-04-13/mickelson-orders-treats-excites-staff?v=1271209348
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I would rather hangout with John Daly but do not know him. Hard to invite John to executive seminars for speaking.
Yes, that would be absurd unless it was a NASCAR convention or a fried chicken restaurateur's' convention.
John Daly is Joe Sixpack's favorite player. What a waste of special talent. A bigger downfall than what Tiger is enduring. Alcohol abuse. :evil: Hope he can get back on track while he still is at a playable age.
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Considering my advanced age, I am contemplating whether to switch to R-flex graphite on G-15 Ping irons. Not yet, however.
Distance for the sake of accuracy? Why not just club-up? But what do I know. I'm just now finding out about the benefits and science behind all these MOI flex ratings.
Tiger was not ready to be married and drive his kids to Krispy Kreme wearing THE GREEN JACKET. [Phil, the eyeglasses and doughnuts make you look like a geek.]
LOL. 2 statements made that I thought was hilarious:
Mickelson ordered a dozen each of glazed, chocolate and mixed donuts, she said.
Of course, Like a good father, he restricted his kids to one each so 9 for himself. Sacrificially and likely the chocolate ones.
"I thought it was Fuzzy (Zoeller) coming back through,"
LOL!!!! I'm surprise Craig Stadler didn't make the list. Here's the proverbial list (http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/11209/Sports++Recreation/Fattest+Golfers+on+the+PGA+Tour.aspx) of the fattest PGA players. Phil unfortunately didn't rate in the top-10 this time. He made the 13th. Could be that Krispy Kreme wasn't yet franchised when the poll was taken.
I played with Duffy Waldorf before along with my ex-employer. His Dad was our corporate lawyer and I got snagged to fill in their 4-some. Of course, my game back then was criminal. Made Duffy chuckle a couple of times though.
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Whowoudathunkit!
Just because Tiger committed to Quail Hollow yesterday doesn't mean Gator's new man had to commit today, too :rolleyes2:
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Whowoudathunkit!
Just because Tiger committed to Quail Hollow yesterday doesn't mean Gator's new man had to commit today, too :rolleyes2:
Yeah, my "new man" Phil is feeling his oats. Tiger may set him back a peg. However, if Phil beats him again...... :zappedhim: It would be splendid for golf if such a rivalry developed. Before Tiger's sex revelations, he had no rival.
Regarding weight, wasn't Phil at one time referred to as Phil Nippleson because part of his extra weight was not very masculine. :D
As a 13-yo kid in Charlotte, I would take my 16-ga shotgun and hunt quail in the fields and woods of what became Quail Hollow decades later. Had no bird dog - just walked around and flushed them. That required some quick reflexes.
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Regarding weight, wasn't Phil at one time referred to as Phil Nippleson because part of his extra weight was not very masculine. :D
I thought it was 'Tits' Mickelson? Borne out of Stevie's story of a fan yelling from the gallery as Phil and Bones walked by during a tournament, "Hey Phil! Nice 'tits', man!"
Actually, it always make for a great show anytime the top-10 players play.
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Phil 'snowman to halve the hole' Mickelson is utterly useless....
#!%#! Europe. Cheaters! :P Go U-S-A!!
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How far they fall...
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/tiger-woods-melts-down-spectacular-fashion-pebble-beach-001223966.html
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" BOOM goes the dynamite! "
Props! Vintage Tiger/Freddy! Two of my favorite players won on the same day today!
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" BOOM goes the dynamite! "
Props! Vintage Tiger/Freddy! Two of my favorite players won on the same day today!
GQ, he certainly struck the ball "pure." And for once he could putt for four days. His swing appeared so balanced without stress. Yet he hit it a mile.
It is good to see his return.
I watched him as much as the BBall in what was a recovery day from too little sleep Friday night, an 8:15 tee time Saturday, and too much firewater after having the most skins (three birdies on difficult holes and two were not cut).
Tiger will be the favorite at the Masters over McIlroy. Slight or heavy favorite?
TV ratings will soar.
Tiger's divorce was not his downfall. His personal choices before that plus his passion to excel at everything drove him over the edge. A good relationship with his wife could have brought him back sooner, however.
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I feel he paid his dues and am happy to see him back in top form.
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I really do believe this have the makings of an epic year for golf the way the top players seem to be gelling all at the same time. Not just for Augusta but for the rest of the year and maybe beyond. This year will definitely make this even more notable for the simple reason it is also a Ryder Cup year.
While I'm both happy for Woods and Couples, I am equally elated for Joey La Cava as he have a direct connection on those two.
I hope Haney will get a job someplace soon as he's reduced to nothing more than someone resembling a spitefull, controlling ex-GF who got miserably and deservely dumped and deperately begging for some attention. The crap he's got going on GC is a ridiculous nonsense. He's got a better future peddling those silly Slide Plane, Medicus kaka-meni gadgets he calls golfing aids. Hank ' The Big Wuss' Haney is reduced to a used vacuum cleaner salesman. The guy can't even snag Boo Weekley for lessons.
It is especially nice Graeme McDowell was on the last pairing with Woods Sunday. I still remember 2010 Chevron Challenge and what happened there. 4 shots. Woods was leading by 4 shots then and McDowell draining those last two 23/20 putts (regulation and playoff) to defeat Woods (Stevie, put that darn bib back on). It's not a biggie that he did that but what was annoying are the smacks that came after since on up to last Saturday night while being one shot back from the leaderboard...4 shots, the number Tiger methodically claimed from back McDowell yesterday, ultimately winning by 5.
I haven't seen Tiger strike the ball as well as he had done yesterday since 2008. Even when he was still winning in 2009. The striking wasn't Tiger-like except one hole at Firestone against Padraig Harrington. That 8 iron shot from 178 that landed 3 feet from the pin on a 13 stimp metered sloped green, making birdie. As Padraig ended up with a double bogey (hit the back bunker and wedged out unto the water to the front - taking a drop).
I especially like that (cut) high fade on that Par 5 Hole No. 16 where he hit an errant (actually went straight when he was trying to fade the ball) drive into the trees. McDowell hitting the fairways 30 yards back. Then Tiger hit that unbelievable 3-metal cut (80 yards cut, 295 long) shot 22 yards in front of the green from back on the rough behind the trees.
Anyway, I better chill as Augusta won't be for another 2 weeks. Lot's of time to wait.
Final 4...somehow I'm thinking the Buckeyes doesn't belong here. Baylor's Acy should declare himself to the draft. The kid is ready for primetime balling. He'll make rookie of the year and/or an All Star. He's a beast!
I can't see Kentucky not hoisting the trophy when all is said and done.
...(three birdies on difficult holes and two were not cut)....
:D
I call those blown Eagle opportunities. Congrats! My game's been very satisfying as well.
" Steady 3 from the tee hitting 280 make me take all my buddies' money! "
A week ago last Saturday I drove a tee shot on a Par-4 long and left 20 yards deep into a row of pine trees. I had a 18-20' brush clearance with the green about 166 yards (GPS) at 9 o'clock. The lie was on a hardpan, so I knew I had a chance. A 6 iron knockdown hook shot was the only chance I had. Closed face, back in my stance with a shallow follow through. Ball shot straight out of the woods no more than 15' off the ground, turned a wicked left soon as it entered the fairway, dropped at 45 out, then rolled all the way to the green 5' to the pin. Birdie, baby! 2 carry-overs grab for me and thank you very much!
Tiger would've been proud!
btw- props for Yani Tseng! Way to dominate! I sure would've love to have seen Lorena and Annika still playing at their prime right about now against Yani. The ladies' tourney desperately need to get a boost besides Sophie Horn these days...
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Final 4...somehow I'm thinking the Buckeyes doesn't belong here. Baylor's Acy should declare himself to the draft. The kid is ready for primetime balling. He'll make rookie of the year and/or an All Star. He's a beast!
How many remote controls do you wear out in a year? ;) BBall was on at the same time as golf.
I was up late Friday night watching NC State (my undergrad school) in their first NCAA tournament in 5 years. Could not fall asleep. That 6:15 am alarm was a bad sound.
I call those blown Eagle opportunities.
The best palyer at our club is a +5. His wife was on the LPGA (not all players are lesbians) and could beat him when she was on the tour. Anyway, after he had a Hole-In-One, he described to her how he air mailed it into the cup, bam! Her response, "You had too much club." ;)
He caddied for her just once in a tournament. She asked for the yardage to the pin. He answered, 174 yards to the pin and 162 yards to clear the water. She turned to him, glared, and after a long pause, chided him, saying "Never ever give me yardage to clear trouble."
A week ago last Saturday I drove a tee shot on a Par-4 long and left 20 yards deep into a row of pine trees. I had a 18-20' brush clearance with the green about 166 yards (GPS) at 9 o'clock. The lie was on a hardpan, so I knew I had a chance. A 6 iron knockdown hook shot was the only chance I had. Closed face, back in my stance with a shallow follow through. Ball shot straight out of the woods no more than 15' off the ground, turned a wicked left soon as it entered the fairway, dropped at 45 out, then rolled all the way to the green 5' to the pin. Birdie, baby! 2 carry-overs grab for me and thank you very much!
Splendid! Executing a difficult recovery is indeed splendid. If you had more beer after golf, it would have been forgotten with all of your errant shots. Particularly the bad one just after the rare moment when you believe you have finally mastered the game.
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I feel he paid his dues and am happy to see him back in top form.
Really?
Funny, but I feel like this compromising has gotten our culture into the sorry, declining state that it' been in since the early 80's.
I could care less about his golf game being good or bad but as a person I still wouldn't invite him to my home or sit at a table with him in a clubhouse.
To each their own.
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...btw- props for Yani Tseng! Way to dominate! I sure would've love to have seen Lorena and Annika still playing at their prime right about now against Yani. The ladies' tourney desperately need to get a boost besides Sophie Horn these days...
You'll need to wait two or three more years because she's still only 14 and thinks school is more important than turning pro, but paste the name Lydia Ko (the world's number 1 amateur golfer) into your little black book. Although born in South Korea, she has lived in New Zealand since she was 5 and has already become the youngest player (male or female) to win a professional tournament (New South Wales Open in Sydney). For temperament and attitude you can't beat her - she's so nice it hurts!
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If there is anyone reading this who does not play golf, this video from 5-10 years ago will explain everything. Warning: Much use of the f-word given that the comic speaker is making fun of Scottish people, who invented the game as we know it today. You can skip the first 30 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1)
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How many remote controls do you wear out in a year? ;) BBall was on at the same time as golf.
I find a way. Golf/B-Ball are my two most passionately favorite sports...phenomenal March we're having! Considering the Lakers finally got a nice PG and increased their chances for another O'Brien hardware to boot.
...I was up late Friday night watching NC State (my undergrad school) in their first NCAA tournament in 5 years. Could not fall asleep. That 6:15 am alarm was a bad sound.
Hole smokes! I didn't know you're a Wolfpack! That '83 shot-heard-around-the-world and replays of the late Jim Valvano running around the floor looking for anyone to hug for winning the Championship, will forever live in the annals the wonder of the sport!
...The best palyer at our club is a +5. His wife was on the LPGA (not all players are lesbians) and could beat him when she was on the tour. Anyway, after he had a Hole-In-One, he described to her how he air mailed it into the cup, bam! Her response, "You had too much club." ;)
LOL. Priceless. She's absolutely right, too...
I do wonder if Charlie Wi's story is true about Tiger where during their junior years when Tiger was only 9, he hit a 125 yard approach shot that hit inside the cup and sprung back out with the pin still intact and laid still at 6" away...he said Tiger was so upset and when ask why, he said he was trying to get it in...LOL.
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You'll need to wait two or three more years because she's still only 14 and thinks school is more important than turning pro,...
AK, I think you're talking about a different Horn. This British beaut can't possibly be 14, no?
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6668/sophiehorn3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/sophiehorn3.jpg/)
Sophie looks like my ex-GF from Slovakia.
... but paste the name Lydia Ko (the world's number 1 amateur golfer) into your little black book. Although born in South Korea, she has lived in New Zealand since she was 5 and has already become the youngest player (male or female) to win a professional tournament (New South Wales Open in Sydney). For temperament and attitude you can't beat her - she's so nice it hurts!
I've heard a lot of buzz about Lydia Ko. I think she spent some time in California not too long ago on a Golf academy. Yeah, the golf folks are likening her talent with that of Alexie Thompson.
Oy! Golf playing wimmen!
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I feel he paid his dues and am happy to see him back in top form.
In regard to dues, are you referring to the porn channel TV fees at the Marriott, Hyatt, and other tour hotel stops?
Yes, he has paid them and is probably still posting some good numbers on the Amex card. And now he might get to see his own character in top form in the starring role. Due to be released about the 2nd day of this years Masters.
http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/tiger-woods-alleged-mistresses-to-join-forces-for-porn-movie-032812 (http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/tiger-woods-alleged-mistresses-to-join-forces-for-porn-movie-032812)
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BOOM! Goes the Dynamite II !!
Unbelievable comeback capped by that incredible shot at 16!
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GQ,
I was in Key West and missed it. I did catch a little of it Saturday and noticed Tiger putting too boldly. I never though he could come back.
Today I saw a replay of that shot on 16. It was magic indeed, considering he was hitting downhill towards water. Jack said, "The most unbelievable, gutsy shot I've ever seen, (under the circumstances)." Who better than Jack to say such.
And it was a similar shot on 16 at the Masters, a par 3, that propelled him.
US Open and Tiger? Maybe. One week ago I would not have said "maybe."
Ryder Cup and Tiger? For sure.
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...And it was a similar shot on 16 at the Masters, a par 3, that propelled him....
US Open: Today is best known as the Golf's Longest Day. It is USGA's qualifying day for the US open. It's shocking the list of players trying to earn one of the 7 slots available, including Spencer Levin (one of yesterday's leadeboard biller - he failed to place on the top-3, and Michael Allen, Champion Tour's multiple winner. A one day, 36-hole tournament being held all across the country.
Anyway, back to Tiger and yesterday's epic performance.
I agree, many liken that 16th hole shot to that in Augusta including Tiger himself. Even the other 2 high-vertical flop shots in the same tournament when he won it in '09 and '03. But Tiger said this one is different because of the 'lie'. He said it's definitely the most difficult lie he had to hit from. Thick clumped grass, 13 stimpmeter downslope green heading to a low cut non-holding fringe straight into the water. The only way he can get this done is to fully commit and swing hard enough to get it vertically in the air, LOL...major cajones, man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U3JCwaeoBE&feature=related
Did you hear Jack break out in hysterics (laughter) when the ball went in? David Feherty said: "That's just incredible. That's shot is just not possible"
But here's some notables about this moment/hole not too many people seem to be discussing which i think further illustrate the dram behind this comeback.
1. The 16th hole is 205 yards, over water and wind at 15 mph. The green was baked and fast. Only 3 folks used an 8-iron on their tee shots that day. The other 2 were short and ended up in the water. Ricky Fowler used a 6-iron just like Rory and Levin. They all ended up in the back bunker. Tiger used the 8-iron because he wanted to hit a high draw and get enough elevation to hopefully have the green hold the ball. He was 2 behind Rory at the time so he had to make something happen. He fired at the flag with that high draw and it hit pin high 20 feet right, one bounce, into the back rough on an upslope.
2. Going into the weekend, Scott Stallings was at the top of the leaderboard and was paired with Tiger. Going into the final day Sunday, Ricky Fowler (who's been redhot lately) was at -5, one shot better than Woods when they got paired together for the final 18. Scott Stallings proceeded to shoot 3 and 5 over the next 2 days, while Ricky shot 12 over on Sunday. This is what happens to players when paired with Tiger before up until the Y.E.Yang PGA victory. To say Tiger intimidates and demoralize his playing partner when he's at the top of his game is an understatement. I am so happy to see this happening again.
Brandell Chamblis, eat your heart out!
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Nothing more to add to this.
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My Fantasy Golf entries for the 2012 US Open:
1. Woods, Dufner, Donald
2. Stricker, Baddeley, Westwood
3. Mickelson, P. Hanson, Z. Johnson
My unofficial winner of the 2012 US Open winner: The prodigal Tom Hanks (from the movie 'BIG') is 14 year old Andrew Zhang. Honorable mention: Casey Martin
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Day One - TW performed very well and he has that intense "look" of being in the zone. Clearly the favorite.
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BOOM! Goes the Dynamite III !!!
Hey Stevie, how's your 2012 caddie purse looking like so far? Karma's a bitch, eh?
Kudos to Bo for putting out a good fight....
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BOOM! Goes the Dynamite!
http://youtu.be/zdRQoTl76PA
Nothing more needs to be said...GOAT!
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Shaping up to be an awesome weekend in LA! Kavanaugh will be confirmed, the Ryder Cup just started. Tee time Saturday morning, rain Saturday night and wifeys in a great mood!
USA! USA! USA!
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GQBlues
I cannot tell you how pleased I am to be TOTALLY wrong re the return to form of your hero ! ;)
Watching the off of the 2018 Ryder Cup and MY 'hero' McIlroy from our respective home town ...
(http://www.golfbytourmiss.com/gbtm/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Welcome-to-Holywood-Home-of-Rory-McIlroy.jpg)
Hoping for drama and may the best team win
PS that's Holywood pron HOLLYwood ;)
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GQBlues
I cannot tell you how pleased I am to be TOTALLY wrong re the return to form of your hero ! ;)
Watching the off of the 2018 Ryder Cup and MY 'hero' McIlroy from our respective home town ...
Not a big deal. Tiger himself didn't think he can play golf again much less actually be competing at this level. Double back fusion surgery, the chipping yips, medication, etc...even he said just getting out of bed every morning was a huge undertaking. He does deserve every ounce of respect and accolades for just being where he is today.
Gawd I LOVE the Ryder Cup. Thank you Sir Samuel!!!
I watched Day 1's morning 4-ball pairings tee off. Woke up to see USA nipped a 3-1 session. Afternoon alternate ball foursome is well underway...Europe leading 2 matches, USA 1, one pairing all squared.
Bjorn did a masterful job pairing Fleetwood (love this guy) & Molinari to take down El Tigre and Reed. The only pairing that faltered for the US in the morning. Tiger is just not a Ryder Cup pedigree. Of course, Rory wasn't that much use this morning either as he and Oleson fell against Thomas & Speith. He didn't managed a single 'birdie'.
Le Golf is proving to be a beast!
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DANG!
US swept in the afternoon session. Day 1: Europe 5 - US 3.
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Missed it all - will watch highlights and might go for a pint at Rory's home club tomorrow - if one can get near the place
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~ Sacre bleu, quel cauchemard!
You're so close, why not just hop on a plane and watch it LIVE?
Enjoy the pint...
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~ Sacre bleu, quel cauchemard!
You're so close, why not just hop on a plane and watch it LIVE?
Enjoy the pint...
I SHOULD be in the Paddock at Sochi this weekend - F1 Grand Prix, but family and biz got in the way ..((
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Holy shitty golf play, Batman! 2nd day tally: Europe 10 ~ USA 6 Tomorrow will hopefully be the ghosts of Brookline/Medinah, or the US team is an utter bust!
Fleetwood is simply awesome. The guy has got to be good enough for at least a few majors before he ends his career. With Molinari, what a dynamic duo these two had been these past 2 days.
http://youtu.be/WcFSU8A9NW0[/quote]
~ Ole, ole, ole...!
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Keep having to see the highlights .All N.Ireland folk became golf fans ..ALL TV News Feeds in streets / malls now showing the matches live .. catch glimpses as I stop in traffic or grab food !
What ever happens, hope for a tense day !
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Huge CONGRATS to the Euro team! Awesome captainship Thomas!
Body count, with the exception of the last pick in Tony Finau (ironic), no one from the over-rated US team came to play Le Golf National. No excuses either. This was simply a historical 'El Foldo'!!! The combined score of the US's *most-experienced* players in Tiger and Phil, finished with a combined 0-6-0!!
So much for their scheduled PPV Thanksgiving shootout! Only a turkey will even consider paying for a hack-fest now.
As GolfWeek nicely put it, "the Americans couldn't hit a French Territory if they teed'd off the Eiffel Tower".
It isn't that the Euros were 'on fire' based on their scoring, individually or cumulatively; it was that the Americans really sucked that badly! Not much left to say about this US Jr. Golf team.
Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole!!
http://youtu.be/nnuV2oaK84M
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My opinion of tiger woods is to avoid them as much as possible. They are faster than you, but in a pinch I guess you can climb up one of the numerous trees. But tigers can climb... loose-loose situation.
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BOOM goes the Dynamite!
http://youtu.be/l8UL23m1qQY