More Bad News for Russia

[BillyB]

BTW LT, Russia has moved tactical nukes into Ukraine/Crimea which is the best weapon in the world for wiping out large armies. I think Putin is trying to scare NATO into backing off since actually using tactical nukes can increase the possibility of total nuclear war. Didn't you once claim Putin was crazy? I hope he isn't.


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-tactical-nuclear-arms-in-crimea/

[AC]

BTW LT, Russia has moved tactical nukes into Ukraine/Crimea which is the best weapon in the world for wiping out large armies. I think Putin is trying to scare NATO into backing off since actually using tactical nukes can increase the possibility of total nuclear war. Didn't you once claim Putin was crazy? I hope he isn't.


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-tactical-nuclear-arms-in-crimea/

I knew it.  Not surprised at all. 

[jone]

BTW LT, Russia has moved tactical nukes into Ukraine/Crimea which is the best weapon in the world for wiping out large armies. I think Putin is trying to scare NATO into backing off since actually using tactical nukes can increase the possibility of total nuclear war. Didn't you once claim Putin was crazy? I hope he isn't.


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-tactical-nuclear-arms-in-crimea/

Billy,

Do you actually read this sensationalist drivel?

If one follows McKeon's letter, there is no direct evidence that tactical nuclear weapons have been forwarded to the Crimean peninsula.  Instead, they base the entire sensationalistic statement on the quote from Putin that two of the delivery systems, missiles and bombers, are being placed in Crimea.  Both delivery systems are CAPABLE of delivering tactical nukes.  Neither Putin's statements, nor any intelligence gathering community assessments have yet to place a single Nuke in Krim.

The rag you're reading is known for making such unproven statements.  McKeon purposely did not state that Russia had moved Nukes into Krim.  Just that there was no way to assess whether they were, indeed, there.

[AC]

Billy,

Do you actually read this sensationalist drivel?

If one follows McKeon's letter, there is no direct evidence that tactical nuclear weapons have been forwarded to the Crimean peninsula.  Instead, they base the entire sensationalistic statement on the quote from Putin that two of the delivery systems, missiles and bombers, are being placed in Crimea.  Both delivery systems are CAPABLE of delivering tactical nukes.  Neither Putin's statements, nor any intelligence gathering community assessments have yet to place a single Nuke in Krim.

The rag you're reading is known for making such unproven statements.  McKeon purposely did not state that Russia had moved Nukes into Krim.  Just that there was no way to assess whether they were, indeed, there.

Would you be willing to bet your life savings or your life, that they are not there?  Some on this forum had been blathering on about invading Crimea and taking it back.

[jone]

Of course not. 

But to state that there are Nukes in Crimea, when there is no evidence yet, of same, is to me an alarmist position made by a right-wing nut job rag.  There is going to be NO assault on Crimea presently.

My problem is that the paper asserted something it had NO proof of, but stated it as truth. 

[AC]

Of course not. 

But to state that there are Nukes in Crimea, when there is no evidence yet, of same, is to me an alarmist position made by a right-wing nut job rag.  There is going to be NO assault on Crimea presently.

My problem is that the paper asserted something it had NO proof of, but stated it as truth.

Very well, that makes sense.  Although clearly the referendum violated Ukraine's Constitution it's a moot point now and I think any talk of invading Crimea is senseless.  Crimea will likely remain part of Russia for our lifetimes.

I don't know what deals the Obama administration might be trying to make with Russia but I would not be surprised if they are offering recognition of Crimea in exchange for Russia getting out of E. Ukraine.

Like Shadow and most others I would like to see this conflict end without any further bloodshed.  There have been good points (IMO) made by Akmike, Brasscasing, BillyB, Gator and Mendeleyev and you as well.

I personally would be surprised if Putin has not already or is on an accelerated schedule to put some form of Nuclear weapons into Crimea.  It's just the sort of decisive person that he is and he doesn't care what the West thinks.

[JayH]

Going down and going down!!
Let's hear from a few of those that were bragging how strong the Russian economy was and the west was wasting it's time on economic issues.
Putin is on borrowed time!!

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[lordtiberius]

BTW LT, Russia has moved tactical nukes into Ukraine/Crimea which is the best weapon in the world for wiping out large armies. I think Putin is trying to scare NATO into backing off since actually using tactical nukes can increase the possibility of total nuclear war. Didn't you once claim Putin was crazy? I hope he isn't.


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-tactical-nuclear-arms-in-crimea/

It doesn't matter.  We have seen this movie before.  In 1987, could any of us predict that the Russians would get creamed by a 4th rate country like Chechnya?   Time is not on Russia's side Billy.

[AC]

Going down and going down!!
Let's hear from a few of those that were bragging how strong the Russian economy was and the west was wasting it's time on economic issues.
Putin is on borrowed time!!

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[lordtiberius]

Going down and going down!!
Let's hear from a few of those that were bragging how strong the Russian economy was and the west was wasting it's time on economic issues.
Putin is on borrowed time!!

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This is how it ends peacefully AC

[BillyB]

  Instead, they base the entire sensationalistic statement on the quote from Putin that two of the delivery systems, missiles and bombers, are being placed in Crimea.  Both delivery systems are CAPABLE of delivering tactical nukes.

It would be dumb for Russia to use nuclear capable missiles for another purpose such as deploy conventional weapons. There are cheaper options. But you are right in the sense that there is no proof there are actual nukes inside those missiles that were shipped to Crimea.

Neither Putin's statements, nor any intelligence gathering community assessments have yet to place a single Nuke in Krim.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov issued a statement Russia has the right to deploy nukes in Crimea. Russia once said they have the right to annex Crimea too. You may believe it was illegal for them to annex Crimea but why do you have faith that they'd play by the rules now? They feel it's their land and they can use it any way they wish. Russia is aggressive so aggressive moves don't surprise me.

[AC]

It doesn't matter.  We have seen this movie before.  In 1987, could any of us predict that the Russians would get creamed by a 4th rate country like Chechnya?   Time is not on Russia's side Billy.

Chechnya is not a country and last I checked the Russians and their proxies were firmly in control of that area.

[lordtiberius]

Chechnya is not a country and last I checked the Russians and their proxies were firmly in control of that area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994%E2%80%9395)

[AC]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994%E2%80%9395)

Your post above claimed that Russia got whipped in 1987.  Certainly may have been a set back but your post does not acknowledge that Russia doesn't take set backs lightly.  Chechnya is under Russian and their proxy control.  The link you just provided was for 1994-1995, so what does that have to do with your original claim?

You like to ramble around a lot but you don't make many posts which are completely factually correct.

[JayH]

You like to ramble around a lot but you don't make many posts which are completely factually correct.

Given that you are in the habit of making entirely factually incorrect posts that  is a joke complaint coming from you.
You create a deliberate lies--with the intent to create mischief--  says it all about you.


 

How can you run with your trousers around your ankles??

[lordtiberius]

Your post above claimed that Russia got whipped in 1987.  Certainly may have been a set back but your post does not acknowledge that Russia doesn't take set backs lightly.  Chechnya is under Russian and their proxy control.  The link you just provided was for 1994-1995, so what does that have to do with your original claim?

You like to ramble around a lot but you don't make many posts which are completely factually correct.

No, I did not make up such a claim.  Stop putting words in my mouth and stop conflating issues that irrelevant for discussion.  And quite frankly, I am no longer interested in having a discussion with someone who is so liberal with his insults.

[fathertime]

BTW LT, Russia has moved tactical nukes into Ukraine/Crimea which is the best weapon in the world for wiping out large armies. I think Putin is trying to scare NATO into backing off since actually using tactical nukes can increase the possibility of total nuclear war. Didn't you once claim Putin was crazy? I hope he isn't.


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-tactical-nuclear-arms-in-crimea/

Several people here have insisted Putin is crazy, I don't believe it is true...but going by their logic, giving the guy a wider berth may not be a bad idea...there will be a different time and different place, and perhaps a different leader....For now he is the leader of the a country that can do a lot of destruction with the nukes.  Clearly he will fight perhaps to the death for Crimea and perhaps other parts of Ukraine.




Fathertime! 

[AC]

No, I did not make up such a claim.  Stop putting words in my mouth and stop conflating issues that irrelevant for discussion.  And quite frankly, I am no longer interested in having a discussion with someone who is so liberal with his insults.

Whipped or creamed; same thing.  Apparently you cannot remember what you posted a few minutes ago, and you think it's an insult if somebody calls you on your BS.

Chechnya is still not a country and it's still under control of the Russian Federation.  Care to post a retraction for your two mistakes in that one post alone?  Or perhaps a retraction for saying that the SU had 400 million residents during WWII?

I know, you think it's an insult if somebody points at the numerous inaccuracies in your posts.

It doesn't matter.  We have seen this movie before.  In 1987, could any of us predict that the Russians would get creamed by a 4th rate country like Chechnya?   Time is not on Russia's side Billy.

[AC]

Given that you are in the habit of making entirely factually incorrect posts that  is a joke complaint coming from you.
You create a deliberate lies--with the intent to create mischief--  says it all about you.

   Was that even English?


Jay you are simply delusional.  You've now twice posted that NATO or somebody is going to invade Crimea and take it back.  Your pal LT just made a post that "Ukraine is going to march on Moscow".

Underestimating the enemy is a mortal flaw.  You clearly don't have a rational mind for this discussion, perhaps it's time to step away from the keyboard.

[JayH]

  Was that even English?


Jay you are simply delusional.  You've now twice posted that NATO or somebody is going to invade Crimea and take it back.  Your pal LT just made a post that "Ukraine is going to march on Moscow".

Underestimating the enemy is a mortal flaw.  You clearly don't have a rational mind for this discussion, perhaps it's time to step away from the keyboard.

You continually attempt to attribute words never said  eg "NATO or somebody is going to invade Crimea"  -- the only way to conclude I said that is to take out of context something I did say--- but -- I never used those words

Once again --another lie from you in a miserable attempt to create an incorrect conclusion-- so tell me again-- who is delusional?
"You clearly don't have a rational mind for this discussion, perhaps it's time to step away from the keyboard"
Your words--you need to take your own advice-have a look at your constant trolling of my posts-- and the persistent lies you seek to promote.

[AC]

You continually attempt to attribute words never said  eg "NATO or somebody is going to invade Crimea"  -- the only way to conclude I said that is to take out of context something I did say--- but -- I never used those words

Once again --another lie from you in a miserable attempt to create an incorrect conclusion-- so tell me again-- who is delusional?
"You clearly don't have a rational mind for this discussion, perhaps it's time to step away from the keyboard"
Your words--you need to take your own advice-have a look at your constant trolling of my posts-- and the persistent lies you seek to promote.

Jay here is the post where you want a war with Ukraine "escalated".  The only person here telling lies is you Jay.

BB--maybe you missed what I have been saying---in the event of a Russian setback--it is more likely than not that Putin will escalate rather than going into his shell.
Depending on the degree of escalation--chances are Ukraine will get help from the "west".

What you are disputing is the capability of the west to handle Russia in a military sense--to which my response is -- that escalation will not only lead to the removal of Russia from the mainland Ukraine-but eventually out of Crimea .

See where you wrote that "Ukraine will get help from the "west". (?)  Who is the west Jay?????

The "west" is NATO.  Care to apologize to me and the forum for being so dishonest about what you wrote?????

Any sane person knows that if the "west" gets involved on Ukrainian soil, it will be the start of WWIII.

Is your life so boring that you want to start WWIII Jay?  Stop telling lies about what you posted.   

[JayH]

AC--like I said--not only are your comprehension skills lacking-- your dishonest attempts to make a case equals lying-- you keep doing it.

Take your own advice .

[lordtiberius]

AC--like I said--not only are your comprehension skills lacking-- your dishonest attempts to make a case equals lying-- you keep doing it.

Take your own advice .

Agree.

[Muzh]

Several people here have insisted Putin is crazy, I don't believe it is true...but going by their logic, giving the guy a wider berth may not be a bad idea...there will be a different time and different place, and perhaps a different leader....For now he is the leader of the a country that can do a lot of destruction with the nukes.  Clearly he will fight perhaps to the death for Crimea and perhaps other parts of Ukraine.




Fathertime!

Did you watch the Frontline piece last night?


He may not be crazy, but right now he is starting to feel cornered.


I believe the conclusion of that report was that Puter knows what will happen to him if he is deposed and he will do everything in power to keep his throne, even destroying the country in a nuclear war.

[Muzh]

Girls, please!!