Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Introductions and Ice-Breaker => Topic started by: Elena020118 on January 02, 2018, 03:13:29 AM
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Hi, everybody!
It is holiday time over here in Russia and I am typing from "the window to Europe". I am really tired of this rainy weather and those 50 shades of grey all the year round outside my window.
I would like to introduce myself. My name is Helen, 26 years old, educated, having the job of my dreams, passionate for self-development and foreign languages.
I used to be married for a very short period of time and I have got a beautiful 3 y.o. daughter.
I am looking for new friends to share positive life experience and, who knows, maybe something else.
What contries/cities do you come from?
Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?
Have you ever come across a bear/would you like to?))
Do not hesitate to write me. :welcome:
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Hi, everybody!
What contries/cities do you come from?
Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?
Have you ever come across a bear/would you like to?))
Do not hesitate to write me. :welcome:
Welcome to the forum.
I try to avoid bears, I've been to St Petersburg and Voronezh 4 times
(that's where my wife is from).
I wish you success, happiness, romance and love!
Udachi!
Bill
PS
(you have a sunny smile)
(http://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/5a/0b/7c5a0bebf982a632b490624baf9b75f1.jpg)
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I have been to SPb several times. Always in May or October.
Fairly good weather during those months, but I usually had some allergy problems due to humidity which causes mold and mildew in most apartments (even as it is mostly unseen).
Many things to do there, so you are lucky to be there. However, you might be like those in USA who never have been to Disneyland, etc., simply because you live in that city. i.e. many natives of a particular region don't partake in the wonders of their area . . . until a visitor arrives.
I would honestly say that no logical western person should want to visit Russia in this current political climate and similarly should not want to become involved with a Russian person.
But there are many who do not act logically where the opposite sex is involved . . .
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What contries/cities do you come from?
Welcome to the forum Helen. I'm from the suburbs of Seattle, Washington, USA.
Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
I've been there once and I'm glad I visited the beautiful city.
What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?
Good and bad people everywhere. I like to judge people as individuals, not based off where they come from.
Have you ever come across a bear/would you like to?))
Depends on the bear. Do you bite?
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Why do people chose a profile name then go on to tell us their real name different from their profile name, makes no sense to me ::)
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Why do people chose a profile name then go on to tell us their real name different from their profile name, makes no sense to me ::)
Elena and Helen are versions of the same name (also Helena).
i.e. Similar idea to William, Bill, Willie, Will, etc.
Personally, I much prefer the beautiful name Elena to the westernized version Helen.
One woman told me that USA folks couldn't correctly pronounce Elenochka, but she found that I could.
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Welcome Elena <
:welcome:
Elena and Helen are versions of the same name (also Helena).
i.e. Similar idea to William, Bill, Willie, Will, etc.
Personally, I much prefer the beautiful name Elena to the westernized version Helen.
One woman told me that USA folks couldn't correctly pronounce Elenochka, but she found that I could.
I could not agree more -- I love the so many beautiful names and the Anglicised version is dull by way of comparison.
If you are too lazy to learn how to pronounce her name correctly-- well !! ;D
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I would honestly say that no logical western person should want to visit Russia in this current political climate and similarly should not want to become involved with a Russian person.
But there are many who do not act logically where the opposite sex is involved . . .
Welcome to the Russophobes forum ;D :welcome: After reading the local "writers" you'll have no pink glasses anymore.
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Welcome Elena, I am from the Seattle, WA area. I have always wanted to see St. Petersburg. Someday, my wife and I will make the trip!!!
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I would honestly say that no logical western person should want to visit Russia in this current political climate and similarly should not want to become involved with a Russian person.
But there are many who do not act logically where the opposite sex is involved . . .
For GAWD's sake ML... that's akin to saying, "don't go to the USA because American's voted in Trump as President ...!"
Welcome to the forum, Elena.
One never knows whether posts like yours are genuine, but ( to older members ) could we PLEASE keep politics out of one thread ?!
Here I am defending Russian people and yet in another forum I'm a 'russophobe' ;))))
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PS
(you have a sunny smile)
Thank you, Bill.
I have been to SPb several times. Always in May or October.
Fairly good weather during those months, but I usually had some allergy problems due to humidity which causes mold and mildew in most apartments (even as it is mostly unseen).
Many things to do there, so you are lucky to be there. However, you might be like those in USA who never have been to Disneyland, etc., simply because you live in that city. i.e. many natives of a particular region don't partake in the wonders of their area . . . until a visitor arrives.
I would honestly say that no logical western person should want to visit Russia in this current political climate and similarly should not want to become involved with a Russian person.
Humidity? Well, I would prefer calling it just water :) I can hardly remember a day within last summer without rain. I myself was nearly covered with mildew. And what do we have on the New Year? Almost the same.
I have been to many places of attraction over here in the city and the suburbs, so there is nothing more to discover until they build something new.
Speaking of political climate. Well, there have always been issues and money rules the world so I would prefer to leave those discussions of who took whose, who said what and who did what to those who like playing these games. I lost any interest to politics in 2015 and stopped watching TV, especially news. Hopefully that won't influence the whole thing. :)
PS please let me know if it does))
Elena and Helen are versions of the same name (also Helena).
Yes. My profile name is more real than my westernized version of it, but since not all people can pronounce or undertand it, I usually give the well-known Helen version. A shorter way is Lena.
Welcome to the Russophobes forum ;D :welcome: After reading the local "writers" you'll have no pink glasses anymore.
LOL :D thank you
Don't be scared, people. We are all welcome for discussion :)
For GAWD's sake ML... that's akin to saying, "don't go to the USA because American's voted in Trump as President ...!"
Welcome to the forum, Elena.
Here I am defending Russian people and yet in another forum I'm a 'russophobe' ;))))
Lol :D I have heard of Trump from people over there :))
Msmob, where are you a russophobe? I would like to read)) if you don't mind
Thank all of you for warm greetings!!! :) don't hesitate to write me.
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Msmob, where are you a russophobe? I would like to read)) if you don't mind
Thank all of you for warm greetings!!! :) don't hesitate to write me.
If I told you that, I'd have to kill you - as it's a secret.... :))
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Hi, everybody
What contries/cities do you come from?
Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?
Have you ever come across a bear/would you like to?))
Do not hesitate to write me. :welcome:
Welcome Elena!!!!
Los Angeles is place to be!! )))
Although I am in your beautiful place at moment..... Yes SPb!!! Hope it stays above 0!!!!
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For GAWD's sake ML... that's akin to saying, "don't go to the USA because American's voted in Trump as President ...!"
Totally inaccurate analogy.
It would be a correct analogy if USA soldiers and 'volunteers' were in Canada or Mexico killing citizens of those countries.
And, if the citizens of USA in their voting and commentary fully supported the killing of Canadian and Mexican citizens.
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Welcome to the forum Elena! Always nice to have an optimistic new voice to brighten up the place :)
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Totally inaccurate analogy.
It would be a correct analogy if USA soldiers and 'volunteers' were in Canada or Mexico killing citizens of those countries.
And, if the citizens of USA in their voting and commentary fully supported the killing of Canadian and Mexican citizens.
ML, Putin had been elected BEFORE the away games in Ukraine..Really are you seriously going to blame a whole nation's population for the acts of their President / govt ?
Plenty of us have Russian partners and go to Russia and maybe don't agree with their govt policy...But WHAT the 'eck has that got to do with a young lass who just joined the forum - hoping to make contacts ?
Really, we've got one guy just joined and after his intro - we have folks that need 'more info' re his former marriage's demise and this poor lass' 'welcome' has been less than stellar..
I'd like to see new folks be able to introduce themselves without political nonsense or questioning their past.... before they've made two posts...
Hence I make NO apology for 'rocking the boat' today...
Curmudgeon mode off
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Hi, everybody!
Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?
Have you ever come across a bear/would you like to?))
Hello Helen,
I considered going to St. P but didn't. Now wish I had.
Went to Moscow a 2nd time instead. Experienced the local life by
spending 2 weeks in a south Moscow apartment on the 50-shades-of-gray line.
Went to a countryside outdoor restaurant in Sochi once. Was surprised
to see 3 bears on the side of the yard in cages. Sad to see them with
large chains around their neck.
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The lady asked: "What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here? "
Moby: "Really are you seriously going to blame a whole nation's population for the acts of their President / govt ?"
Yes, when a country's president enjoys overwhelming support from the citizens, then they carry full responsibility for the acts of such leaders.
There are those who (1) actively support Putin, and there are those who (2) by their inaction tacitly approve of and support Putin.
There exists only a small minority of Russian citizens who do not fall into one of these 2 categories.
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Welcome to the forum, Lena,
Pyotr is my favorite city in all of Russia. I stay in a little place on Italianskya. My favorite restaurant is Schengen. Named like the European Visa. It is small but very good. Like many here, I also like the Georgian restaurants that serve good Shaslik.
The last time I was in your city was three years ago. I probably will go back in 2018, time permitting. I see that they have put the Aurora back where she belongs. It was under repair when last I was there.
Would you do me a small favor? Tell me the name of the park that has all of the bronze copies of the famous landmarks in your city. I can't remember it.
In any event, welcome to our forum and we hope you find many friends here. Cute pictures by the way. What is it that your friends have in their hands?
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Hi, everybody!
Privet! And :welcome: to the forum.
I used to be married for a very short period of time and I have got a beautiful 3 y.o. daughter.
Sorry that the marriage didn't work out, but I'm glad that you have something good which came out of it.
What countries/cities do you come from?
Auckland, New Zealand.
Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
Yes, I've visited Russia twice - 2006 and 2010. Spent time in Saint Petersburg on both trips and, as I've posted many times on this forum, I think it's the most beautiful city in the world.
What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?
I liked everyone I met on both trips (apart from one very officious policeman in a Visa Registration office on the first trip), and I had a wonderful time. I had learnt the Cyrillic alphabet and did a night school course in basic Russian before my first trip, and I think that helped. I agree with ML and other posters though, when they say that there is no point in trying to get fluent if you're just visiting, especially if you're aiming to find a wife from the FSU - she will have to improve whatever level of English she already has (or learn it from scratch if she doesn't speak any) if she is going to live with you in an English-speaking country. If you can reach a level of conversation that's good enough to talk to her parents and family after a couple of years, that should be enough.
However, both my trips were before Russia seized Crimea and invaded the Donbas, so I won't be going back any time soon.
Have you ever come across a bear/would you like to?))
Yes, in both Saint Petersburg and Sochi - both times in chains (as JohnDearGreen posted above).
It will be nice to have a YOUNG Russian woman's point of view on the forum - we haven't had that for a long time!
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Rather than pollute the new member's intro thread with more nonsense, I've replied to ML 'elsewhere'
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22372.msg474075;topicseen#new (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22372.msg474075;topicseen#new)
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Welcome Elena :)
Being a young woman and mother, I thought this is a great opportunity to ask your thoughts on a few topics....
Do you believe it's a good idea that a man spends time building a solid friendship online, Skype, phone calls etc.... before he decides to meet a woman he's interested in?
Obviously every situation is different, but how long would it take you to feel he's a genuine man and agree to meet him?
How do you view a man who writes to several women and visits them all on the same trip?
Would it be important to you that he is honest and lets you know you're not the only woman he is interested in?
Would you feel uncomfortable meeting a man for the first time in your city, when there's potential that you may run into friends and family during a date?
Would you marry a man you have strong feelings for, but have only met several times? or do you believe it's important to take things slow with such an important decision?
Lastly, what challenges do you face when
dating in Russia as a single mother?
Is it difficult to find genuine family orientated men in your city?
Thank you )
If you aren't comfortable answering any of my questions it's OK, I wont be offended
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If I told you that, I'd have to kill you - as it's a secret.... :))
Okay, keep it secret then :)
I want to stay alive :)
Los Angeles is place to be!! )))
Although I am in your beautiful place at moment..... Yes SPb!!! Hope it stays above 0!!!!
Well, temperature above zero in winter makes the streets quite dirty and look awful. I would prefer spending my winter in LA instead :)
There is a museum that I would recommend visiting
http://grandmaket.ru/
It is away from the city center.
The best period to visit our city is in May/June with the white nights
Hello Helen,
I considered going to St. P but didn't. Now wish I had.
Went to Moscow a 2nd time instead. Experienced the local life by
spending 2 weeks in a south Moscow apartment on the 50-shades-of-gray line.
Went to a countryside outdoor restaurant in Sochi once. Was surprised
to see 3 bears on the side of the yard in cages. Sad to see them with
large chains around their neck.
There is a lot to see in Moscow, but you should definitely try SPb with its white nights, churches and museums (Hermitage), especially the suburbs are worth visiting (Peterhof, Pushkin, Pavlovsk..) you will never regret it.
There are those who (1) actively support Putin, and there are those who (2) by their inaction tacitly approve of and support Putin.
There exists only a small minority of Russian citizens who do not fall into one of these 2 categories.
...and there is a category that thinks that no matter what you do, no matter whom you support or don't support - it will make no difference to the final result of an election process. It may seem like we make decisions when in fact everything may have already been decided.
Would you do me a small favor? Tell me the name of the park that has all of the bronze copies of the famous landmarks in your city. I can't remember it.
In any event, welcome to our forum and we hope you find many friends here. Cute pictures by the way. What is it that your friends have in their hands?
If I got what you mean - Alexandrovsky park on Gor'kovskaya metro station. Look through the pictures on that website http://forum-spb.name/interesnye-mesta-peterburga/651-skul-ptury-v-aleksandrovskom-parke-metro-gor-kovskaya.html
My friends are holding pieces of a brazier in order to cook Shashlik :) it was my friend's 24th birthday and we drcided to have a picnic in the park.
Yes, I've visited Russia twice - 2006 and 2010. Spent time in Saint Petersburg on both trips and, as I've posted many times on this forum, I think it's the most beautiful city in the world.
I liked everyone I met on both trips (apart from one very officious policeman in a Visa Registration office on the first trip), and I had a wonderful time. I had learnt the Cyrillic alphabet and did a night school course in basic Russian before my first trip, and I think that helped. I agree with ML and other posters though, when they say that there is no point in trying to get fluent if you're just visiting, especially if you're aiming to find a wife from the FSU - she will have to improve whatever level of English she already has (or learn it from scratch if she doesn't speak any) if she is going to live with you in an English-speaking country. If you can reach a level of conversation that's good enough to talk to her parents and family after a couple of years, that should be enough.
However, both my trips were before Russia seized Crimea and invaded the Donbas, so I won't be going back any time soon.
Yes, in both Saint Petersburg and Sochi - both times in chains (as JohnDearGreen posted above).
It will be nice to have a YOUNG Russian woman's point of view on the forum - we haven't had that for a long time!
What about New Zealand? It is a very beautiful country with marvellous landscapes judging from pictures in the Internet. How is life over there? What are places of attraction and sights that you could recommend visiting?
Speaking of all those political stuff… I would really prefer to omit those words such as "seized" and "invaded", use other verbs instead. Because it is just one point of view which was generated by mass media on one side of the globe wanting people to think exactly this way without being able to see other many different interesting facts including our mutual history with Ukraine and the life of people in Crimea. I was in Crimea a couple of years ago, I have friends/relatives over there. We used to be the same goverment not so long ago, people in Crimea are and have always been more like russians as those in the Donbass I guess maybe because they are close to us by territory at least. So saving people ftom being destroyed has nothing to do with invasion. That is just a different point of view to consider which is never going to be broadcasted on TV anywhere abroad. Mass Media has large influence on whole nations. It is always best to keep your head out of this mess.
I absolutely agree with you on language skills improvement topic. There is no necessity to be a "professional linguist" )) unless you are going to deal much with it, e.g. you want to live somewhere abroad. Otherwise without constant practice you will forget it all. I love foreign languages but the only one I can afford to have practice in is English. My hobby is getting to know foreigners on Tinder and showing them our city's sights ( museums, architecture, cafes and such) I am like a tour guide all on my own. So if somebody's interested in my company when travelling to SPb, just let me know. http://m.facebook.com/SuperMilkyWay?ref=bookmarks
Welcome Elena :)
Being a young woman and mother, I thought this is a great opportunity to ask your thoughts on a few topics....
Do you believe it's a good idea that a man spends time building a solid friendship online, Skype, phone calls etc.... before he decides to meet a woman he's interested in?
Obviously every situation is different, but how long would it take you to feel he's a genuine man and agree to meet him?
How do you view a man who writes to several women and visits them all on the same trip?
Would it be important to you that he is honest and lets you know you're not the only woman he is interested in?
Would you feel uncomfortable meeting a man for the first time in your city, when there's potential that you may run into friends and family during a date?
Would you marry a man you have strong feelings for, but have only met several times? or do you believe it's important to take things slow with such an important decision?
Lastly, what challenges do you face when
dating in Russia as a single mother?
Is it difficult to find genuine family orientated men in your city?
Thank you )
If you aren't comfortable answering any of my questions it's OK, I wont be offended
I will reply to you a bit later :)
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Speaking of all those political stuff… I would really prefer to omit those words such as "seized" and "invaded", use other verbs instead. Because it is just one point of view which was generated by mass media on one side of the globe wanting people to think exactly this way without being able to see other many different interesting facts including our mutual history with Ukraine and the life of people in Crimea. I was in Crimea a couple of years ago, I have friends/relatives over there. We used to be the same goverment not so long ago, people in Crimea are and have always been more like russians as those in the Donbass I guess maybe because they are close to us by territory at least. So saving people from being destroyed has nothing to do with invasion. That is just a different point of view to consider which is never going to be broadcasted on TV anywhere abroad. Mass Media has large influence on whole nations. It is always best to keep your head out of this mess.
Ah now we see the true Elena. And we can observe how well the brainwashing has occurred.
I have been several times to Crimea and Donbas before the invasion and seizure by Russian terrorists.
There were no persons there who were in any danger of being destroyed by Ukraine or Ukrainians.
Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers were always in the majority and were absolutely in no danger from anything.
Ukraine fully allowed Russian schools and never discriminated against anything Russian; and Ukraine couldn't even if it wanted to because of the Russian majority.
Now with control by Russian terrorists there already has been Ukrainian and Tatar people destroyed and will continue to be destroyed.
Now Ukrainian schools are not allowed in Crimea; even as Russian schools were previously allowed.
Very good job of brainwashing . . . we will all admit.
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Surely the conflict in Ukraine is not of interest in Russia because 'officially' Russia has no involvement ;D
I think there is a tendancy to side with the views of whoever you are dating and where she is from. For most of us looking for a woman it tends not to be something many of us concern ourselves with. Our focus tends to be on trying to find ourselves the right woman wherever. That said I kind of feel bad that there is human suffering going on there mostly with the poor suffering the most.
The first Ukrainian girl from Mariupol I met did not wish to associate with the conflict. She just wanted to find the right guy to live her life with. According to her it was more of a conflict between rival oligarchs fighting for power. She had no time for it.
The second and last girl I met from Nikolaev & Kherson respectively said little of the conflict. I tend not to raise it or discuss it much going with the old adage of be best to avoid discussing potentially sensitive political matters and the like.
Anyway, I am thinking of coming to St. Petersburg in a few months Elena. Are you currently single and looking for a WM? :flowers:
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...and there is a category that thinks that no matter what you do, no matter whom you support or don't support - it will make no difference to the final result of an election process. It may seem like we make decisions when in fact everything may have already been decided.
ML will not believe you - he believes you are 'brain-washed' !
Sadly, any Russian that turns up and asks how you are perceived are 'guilty' ...
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Anyway, I am thinking of coming to St. Petersburg in a few months Elena. Are you currently single and looking for a WM? :flowers:
:ROFL: :ROFL: you do realize she can read up on you on this forum? Do you think you come across as a real catch here? This is a serious question, do you think you have made a good impression here?
and, she has a child, you dont want that. She is 26, so to young. She wears a long dress in the picture, you only want ladies wearing short skirts.
and that was just skimming the surface on all your quirks... you are a moron and comes across as a misogynist sex tourist in most of your post - I hope she don't want that.
oh.. and Welcome here Elena :welcome:
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Sadly, any Russian that turns up and asks how you are perceived are 'guilty' ...
But she did not show up and merely ask how are you.
In her first post she said: "What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?"
And now in her latest post she said: ". . . I would really prefer to omit those words such as "seized" and "invaded", use other verbs instead . . . saving people from being destroyed has nothing to do with invasion. . . ."
This gives clear indication that she supports the terrorist Russian invasion of Ukraine that has lead to the loss of over 10,000 lives.
Some of the lost lives were of Russian soldiers who are now buried in Russia without having had any sort of honorable burial rites. She even accepts this sort of behavior by Russians against Russians.
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Ah now we see the true Elena. And we can observe how well the brainwashing has occurred.
No - you'll see just how 'foxy' VVP and those controlling the big four networks have been ... Russians think WE deposed a saintly President ;)
There were no persons there who were in any danger of being destroyed by Ukraine or Ukrainians.
Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers were always in the majority and were absolutely in no danger from anything.
ML... people have been bumping ff each other for political and 'biziness ' reasons in UA before and after Yanu' had to escape justice for his family raiding the coffers of the state.
When Yanu' ran and Poroshenko and co took over it WAS represented by a high percentage of rather extreme nationalists and some of them proposed banning Russian...
They played RIGHT into Moscow's hands and Crimea was whipped away from under their noses - a long planned stunt - that has diverted attention away from the economic woes.
I have been several times to Crimea and Donbas before the invasion and seizure by Russian terrorists.
So have I and probably more recently than you and I CAN understand Russian considerably better than you.
We - the west - played right into the hands of the Kremlin - who had long suggested 'we' sought to 'control Kyiv' and even had desires on turning Crimea into a NATO base ;)))
How Yanu' was removed - even though his own Party of Regions disowned him was played on - heavily - by Moscow- as 'illegal' .... speaking of 'Nazis' and 'Juntas' ...
IF you'd been to Crimea with your eyes and eyes open you'd have seen that most folks spoke Russian - in the Russian way and still felt Russian ..... There was - of course - no way - with 30K service personnel on the peninsula that folks there were under 'threat' and the take over WAS military - followed by a 'referendum' that was NO WAY 97 percent - but was always going to be a majority - based on ethnicity
Donbas is indeed another story ... without doubt the GRU helped to break open UA police armouries and troops from Piter were speaking in to locals using a term for pavement used in Leningradsky Oblast ...NOT Donbas.... Families have been split and ended up fighting on different sides...
Now with control by Russian terrorists there already has been Ukrainian and Tatar people destroyed and will continue to be destroyed.
Now Ukrainian schools are not allowed in Crimea; even as Russian schools were previously allowed.
Very good job of brainwashing . . . we will all admit.
What is sad is the polarisation between folks who were waving Ukrainian flags in Donbas in 2012 - Euro Footie finals - and watching the destruction of the new airport and other infrastructure Ukraine has invested . The old folks caught in the cross-fire - too infirm to move
Does/ did Russia cover the true situation - with Party of Regions politicians removing 'DNR' flags and the disappearance of those objecting to their bully-boy tactics ( Councillor Vlodomir Rybak ) ... ? ..No ...
Ukrainians and Russians see what their respective govts want them to see - never both sides...
Should we be blaming Elena - in Piter - for all of this on her intro thread ? ..
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Oh yeah, passed over that Nightwish I just went straight to the photo's of the aforementioned hottie :D
Anyway, what has happened to Boethius's last post on here she was taking a swipe at Moby's expert cap quite nicely ;D
Seriously though this is why I don't engage in talk about the conflict when communicating with a woman unless she raises it herself in which case I leave her to do the talking as its not something I am close to or have any understanding of beyond the broad outline. It can quickly get heavy and all of a sudden like here have gone from discussing dating to the less than leisurely talk of politics & warfare. That stuff can all be left till later in the relationship I think. For me I'm not going to cut down the field further by bringing politics of any sort into it.
I very much subscribe to the old Victorian notion of not discussing politics with ladies ;)
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I very much subscribe to the old Victorian notion of not discussing politics with ladies ;)
First few dates, refrain from talking politics but you better get a good understanding of a woman before you marry her. People who have differing views of how the world should work will be hating each other.
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Do you believe it's a good idea that a man spends time building a solid friendship online, Skype, phone calls etc.... before he decides to meet a woman he's interested in?
Obviously every situation is different, but how long would it take you to feel he's a genuine man and agree to meet him?
How do you view a man who writes to several women and visits them all on the same trip?
Would it be important to you that he is honest and lets you know you're not the only woman he is interested in?
Would you feel uncomfortable meeting a man for the first time in your city, when there's potential that you may run into friends and family during a date?
Would you marry a man you have strong feelings for, but have only met several times? or do you believe it's important to take things slow with such an important decision?
Lastly, what challenges do you face when
dating in Russia as a single mother?
Is it difficult to find genuine family orientated men in your city?
Thank you )
If you aren't comfortable answering any of my questions it's OK, I wont be offended
Well. In my opinion in case you are interested in someone who you plan on spending quite a long period of time and maybe money, you should definitely get in touch via various means of communication. Would you hire someone without a couple of interviews? Nowadays not only is it hard to find people you can trust and rely on, but people and their interests change with time. It is necessary to find out mutual interests, real appearance and voice, learn about the person you are interested in. Otherwise surprises may arise.
As for me meeting people in person is not a problem. I don't consider each and everyone as a potential husband or a father of my future children. Of course I need at least a couple of days of chatting in order to find out if the person is adequate and there are topics for us to discuss. I also like to see his appearance as it can also tell me a lot.
A man who writes to several women and wants to see them on the same trip should better keep it secret from each of those women. It is completely normal that we aim to choose the best of the best for ourselves, but in case of looking for a job it can be a good thing to tell an interviewer that you've got some other options, in case of choosing a woman for a serious relationship we deal with personal feelings and if I were to get that kind of information I would prefer somebody who values me and only me. If you ever speak of other women you show your interest in them and why would I need that if I consider myself unique? Better not to let them know that you see someone else on the same trip.
I am absolutely fine meeting people in my city even if I can run into somebody I know, it is not forbidden or illegal, if we are not doing anything inappropriate then why would I bother?
Now as I went through a marriage and a divorce in Russia I would prefer taking it slow, because in my experience I just had lots of paperwork. I must be sure the man is going to take responsibility over me and our child. Most men over here can hardly be responsible for themselves. That is why so many women raise children on their own.
Challenges? Well... men don't like to take responsibility. Russian women are those who raised children without men after the World War II and even now there is a majority of those who are basically "married" to their moms. Or they keep it slow having women do a lot for them until we get tired of it and give up. Lots of those who smoke and drink and have fun with many women at the same time, cheat on women. Some have psychological issues or are just rude. Really hard to choose. My friends from foreign countries who married foreign men say there is much more respect for women out there. I hope they know better. I am pretty sure the lack of the Sunshine and the way men are raised make it the way it is over here. Geniune men are rather shy to do serious steps. I would say most would like to get instead of giving.
Ah now we see the true Elena. And we can observe how well the brainwashing has occurred.
I have been several times to Crimea and Donbas before the invasion and seizure by Russian terrorists.
There were no persons there who were in any danger of being destroyed by Ukraine or Ukrainians.
Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers were always in the majority and were absolutely in no danger from anything.
Ukraine fully allowed Russian schools and never discriminated against anything Russian; and Ukraine couldn't even if it wanted to because of the Russian majority.
Now with control by Russian terrorists there already has been Ukrainian and Tatar people destroyed and will continue to be destroyed.
Now Ukrainian schools are not allowed in Crimea; even as Russian schools were previously allowed.
Very good job of brainwashing . . . we will all admit.
No danger was it before the whole thing started. I am not going to get into further discussions, there are lots of people who were killed for nothing who lost everything and under no circumstances is it okay in the modern world.
The first Ukrainian girl from Mariupol I met did not wish to associate with the conflict. She just wanted to find the right guy to live her life with. According to her it was more of a conflict between rival oligarchs fighting for power. She had no time for it.
The second and last girl I met from Nikolaev & Kherson respectively said little of the conflict. I tend not to raise it or discuss it much going with the old adage of be best to avoid discussing potentially sensitive political matters and the like.
Anyway, I am thinking of coming to St. Petersburg in a few months Elena. Are you currently single and looking for a WM? :flowers:
I absolutely agree. Those who rule the world can play any games and of course that can influence the whole world and people's relationships and general attitude to each other. We will never know the real truth, we can have our judgement from where we are located. As for me it is important to not get into those tricky discussions. Life is too short to waste it on negative stuff.
Well, Welcome to our city, my friend ;)
:ROFL: :ROFL: you do realize she can read up on you on this forum? Do you think you come across as a real catch here? This is a serious question, do you think you have made a good impression here?
and, she has a child, you dont want that. She is 26, so to young. She wears a long dress in the picture, you only want ladies wearing short skirts.
and that was just skimming the surface on all your quirks... you are a moron and comes across as a misogynist sex tourist in most of your post - I hope she don't want that.
oh.. and Welcome here Elena :welcome:
:D thank you for making me laugh. :))))) Guys, you really cheer me up!!! Lol
No - you'll see just how 'foxy' VVP and those controlling the big four networks have been ... Russians think WE deposed a saintly President ;)
ML... people have been bumping ff each other for political and 'biziness ' reasons in UA before and after Yanu' had to escape justice for his family raiding the coffers of the state.
When Yanu' ran and Poroshenko and co took over it WAS represented by a high percentage of rather extreme nationalists and some of them proposed banning Russian...
They played RIGHT into Moscow's hands and Crimea was whipped away from under their noses - a long planned stunt - that has diverted attention away from the economic woes.
So have I and probably more recently than you and I CAN understand Russian considerably better than you.
We - the west - played right into the hands of the Kremlin - who had long suggested 'we' sought to 'control Kyiv' and even had desires on turning Crimea into a NATO base ;)))
How Yanu' was removed - even though his own Party of Regions disowned him was played on - heavily - by Moscow- as 'illegal' .... speaking of 'Nazis' and 'Juntas' ...
IF you'd been to Crimea with your eyes and eyes open you'd have seen that most folks spoke Russian - in the Russian way and still felt Russian ..... There was - of course - no way - with 30K service personnel on the peninsula that folks there were under 'threat' and the take over WAS military - followed by a 'referendum' that was NO WAY 97 percent - but was always going to be a majority - based on ethnicity
Donbas is indeed another story ... without doubt the GRU helped to break open UA police armouries and troops from Piter were speaking in to locals using a term for pavement used in Leningradsky Oblast ...NOT Donbas.... Families have been split and ended up fighting on different sides...
What is sad is the polarisation between folks who were waving Ukrainian flags in Donbas in 2012 - Euro Footie finals - and watching the destruction of the new airport and other infrastructure Ukraine has invested . The old folks caught in the cross-fire - too infirm to move
Does/ did Russia cover the true situation - with Party of Regions politicians removing 'DNR' flags and the disappearance of those objecting to their bully-boy tactics ( Councillor Vlodomir Rybak ) ... ? ..No ...
Ukrainians and Russians see what their respective govts want them to see - never both sides...
Should we be blaming Elena - in Piter - for all of this on her intro thread ? ..
Perfect. I have nothing to add. :)
Oh yeah, passed over that Nightwish I just went straight to the photo's of the aforementioned hottie :D
Anyway, what has happened to Boethius's last post on here she was taking a swipe at Moby's expert cap quite nicely ;D
Seriously though this is why I don't engage in talk about the conflict when communicating with a woman unless she raises it herself in which case I leave her to do the talking as its not something I am close to or have any understanding of beyond the broad outline. It can quickly get heavy and all of a sudden like here have gone from discussing dating to the less than leisurely talk of politics & warfare. That stuff can all be left till later in the relationship I think. For me I'm not going to cut down the field further by bringing politics of any sort into it.
I very much subscribe to the old Victorian notion of not discussing politics with ladies ;)
Let's turn to other discussions. Propose topics, ask questions. And again, thank all of you for being here with me.
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I also like to see his appearance as it can also tell me a lot.
Why what does his appearance tell you?
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Challenges? Well... men don't like to take responsibility. Russian women are those who raised children without men after the World War II and even now there is a majority of those who are basically "married" to their moms. Or they keep it slow having women do a lot for them until we get tired of it and give up. Lots of those who smoke and drink and have fun with many women at the same time, cheat on women. Some have psychological issues or are just rude. Really hard to choose.
I'm sure there are many good men in Russia but they're probably in high demand and quickly married. In your opinion, what percent of Russian men do you consider being REAL MEN?
My friends from foreign countries who married foreign men say there is much more respect for women out there.
That may be true but you still have to choose the man that is a good match for you. As you've probably read, men here think differently and have different attitudes.
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I am not one for the grammar police, but I do recognize good English writing skills when I see them (comparatively better than many native English speaking posters on this forum). Please share with us where you learned your English skills ....
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I am not one for the grammar police, but I do recognize good English writing skills when I see them (comparatively better than many native English speaking posters on this forum). Please share with us where you learned your English skills ....
As a paid-up member of the grammar police, I too noticed this right from the start!
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, I too noticed this right from the start!
So did I -- anyone arriving from that location has my attention ! But-- I wanted to wait to see what unfolds .
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Me too :D I noticed the English was well composed but am interested in response to said question.
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It's possible some RW know English and proper grammar well. Lily is one. If you're worried about being fooled, have management check out the OP's IP address.
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What about New Zealand? It is a very beautiful country with marvellous landscapes judging from pictures in the Internet. How is life over there? What are places of attraction and sights that you could recommend visiting?
Life is wonderful, apart from the horrendous sub-tropical storm which has just devastated much of the country. While the USA has had Grayson, and the UK and Ireland have had Eleanor, we have had one that didn't rate a name but still killed a woman by dropping a tree on her car as she drove along a suburban street. :( Many places have had floods that are the worst seen in 30 or 50 years.
However... as you say, New Zealand is a very beautiful country. Many years ago, what was then our Tourist and Publicity Department (now the Ministry of Tourism) ran an advertising campaign called "Don't leave town 'til you've seen the country." It was aimed at New Zealanders who wanted to see tourist attractions overseas, but who didn't realise just how much there is to see in their own country. There are simply so many things to see that I could spend all night writing a list! Cutting it down, though, and travelling from north to south, I would highlight:
1. Cape Reinga - the northernmost point of New Zealand which has public access (North Cape is further north, but is on private land). This is where the Pacific Ocean meets the Tasman Sea, and is the mythological jumping-off point for the spirits of dead Maori to leave the land for the underworld.
2. Bay of Islands - considered by world-famous author Zane Grey, who had a fishing lodge there, to have the finest views in the world. The Treaty of Waitangi (New Zealand's founding document, although not a Constitution as such) was first signed in the grounds of what is now called the Treaty House.
3. Auckland - built on over 50 (extinct :D) volcanoes, New Zealand's largest city has dozens of attractions which too many visitors bypass on their way to other parts of the country. The Skytower, the War Memorial Museum, Museum of Transport and Technology, Kelly Tarlton's Underwater World, Bastion Point, Mt Eden, Rangitoto and Waiheke Islands are probably top of the list - we also have a great zoo, but so do many other places. There is a hop-on, hop-off Explorer bus which does a circuit of all these sites.
4. Waitomo Caves - amazing rock formations, topped off by a boat trip along an underground river through the world's greatest collection of glow-worms.
5. Hobbiton - if you're a fan of the "Lord of the Rings" films, this purpose-built village near Matamata is a must-see.
6. Rotorua - number one tourist destination in the North Island, and the home of Maori culture and displays for tourists (and I mean that in a good way).
7. Taupo - New Zealand's largest lake has its namesake town at the north end and the three Central Plateau volcanoes (one extinct, two occasionally active) at the south end. Mt Ruapehu is home to the North Island's skifields.
8. Napier - Art Deco capital of the world, whatever other cities might claim. A devastating earthquake in 1931 killed hundreds of people in Napier and Hastings, and much of Napier was rebuilt in the Art Deco style which was so popular at the time.
9. Wellington - capital city, with lots of hills and MUCH windier than Chicago! Home to the unique Beehive (Government office building next to the Houses of Parliament) and Te Papa Tongarewa (the National Museum of New Zealand) amongst many other attractions. Absolutely compulsory to visit this if you're in the city.
10. Marlborough Sounds - possibly the best example of a drowned coastline in the world, at the top of the South Island. A 3-4 hour ferry trip across Cook Strait from Wellington. You probably need to use a boat for two or three days to get the full effect. If you're an experienced diver, the wreck of the Russian cruise liner "Mikhail Lermontov" is in reasonably shallow water and is a very popular destination.
11. Kaikoura - home to some of the world's best whale- and dolphin-watching tours. Devastated by an earthquake in November 2016, the main highways north and south have only recently been reopened.
12. Christchurch - biggest city in the South Island. Huge earthquakes in 2010 and 2011 killed many people, flattened much of the central business district, and destroyed or damaged thousands of homes. The city is gradually rebuilding but, even after all this time, there is a lot still to be done. Christchurch Cathedral was probably the most-visited attraction - it now lies in ruins, although there are still plans to rebuild it (in the face of Government opposition, which would prefer it to be completely demolished and replaced).
13. Queenstown - tourist capital of the South Island. Many attractions in and around the city, including Coronet Peak skifield, the Earnslaw paddle steamer on Lake Wakatipu and the Shotover Jet speedboat rides.
14. Milford Sound - spectacular views in the most-visited part of Fiordland. You can drive, fly or walk there (the Milford Track is a four-day trek). A word of warning, though - the sandflies are more than a nuisance! :cluebat: Take your insect repellent. :devil:
Speaking of all those political stuff… I would really prefer to omit those words such as "seized" and "invaded", use other verbs instead.
Why? It's what happened. Russia agreed to the sovereignty of Ukraine's borders in the Budapest Memorandum, and then cynically ignored its own undertakings. That is not...
...just one point of view which was generated by mass media on one side of the globe wanting people to think exactly this way
...We used to be the same goverment not so long ago, people in Crimea are and have always been more like russians as those in the Donbass I guess maybe because they are close to us by territory at least.
There are many other countries in the world which have people of the same ethnicity but which do NOT invade each other to "protect" that group.
So saving people from being destroyed has nothing to do with invasion. That is just a different point of view to consider which is never going to be broadcasted on TV anywhere abroad. Mass Media has large influence on whole nations. It is always best to keep your head out of this mess.
I have been several times to Crimea and Donbas before the invasion and seizure by Russian terrorists.
There were no persons there who were in any danger of being destroyed by Ukraine or Ukrainians.
Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers were always in the majority and were absolutely in no danger from anything.
Ukraine fully allowed Russian schools and never discriminated against anything Russian; and Ukraine couldn't even if it wanted to because of the Russian majority.
Now with control by Russian terrorists there already has been Ukrainian and Tatar people destroyed and will continue to be destroyed.
Now Ukrainian schools are not allowed in Crimea; even as Russian schools were previously allowed.
As ML wrote in reply to you earlier. I would love to keep my head out of this mess, but it's one which your government created by its illegal actions and will therefore influence my decision on whether or not I visit Russia again. However, it's not just Russia - there are other countries which, for various reasons, I won't visit either.
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It's possible some RW know English and proper grammar well. Lily is one. If you're worried about being fooled, have management check out the OP's IP address.
Paranoia rules :rolleyes: No doubt, Elena, you are a paid Kremlin troll.
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Paranoia rules :rolleyes: No doubt, Elena, you are a paid Kremlin troll.
No one here is accusing Lena of being a troll. I was impressed with her English skills and asked where she received her training. It is a a fair question and certainly was not asked in anything other than passing interest.
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Why what does his appearance tell you?
The appearance tells a lot about its owner. It is mostly about the face: eyes, the way one smiles, teeth.. it's difficult enough to explain, but I suppose it is obvious, that when you look at someone you can tell if a person is kind or rude and strict, if he or she is happy or not, if he or she is able of being agressive or even cruel, it is possible to predict some traits of character. A lot can be predicted through photos. A lot, but not everything of course.
Later, when you get to know each other in person, you may see, hear and feel a lot more: gestures, voice, smell, but it all starts with the first impression. So many times I met loving couples who looked alike. They were truly in love and their faces would copy each other's facial expressions and become similar even if they looked completely different at first. This only means that our psyche likes to copy what is pleasant for us.
I'm sure there are many good men in Russia but they're probably in high demand and quickly married. In your opinion, what percent of Russian men do you consider being REAL MEN?
That may be true but you still have to choose the man that is a good match for you. As you've probably read, men here think differently and have different attitudes.
Real men... there are many criteria when it comes to consideration. But the majority of my friends in Saint Petersburg who are mothers now have to cope on their own most of the time. That fact alone speaks for itself. It turns out that women take responsibility and find ways to survive with their child. Usually women cannot get back to work until their child goes to a kindergarten which is not until the age of three (provided that your child gets a place by that time). The first year at kindergarten is also a hard time. So if you have no family who can help you with the child, you are screwed.
What are your criteria of a REAL MAN? Can you describe?
I am not one for the grammar police, but I do recognize good English writing skills when I see them (comparatively better than many native English speaking posters on this forum). Please share with us where you learned your English skills ....
I studied at two schools: with advanced studies in arts and advanced studies in English, I chose it as one of my Unified State Exams when I graduated. I have practiced it since then and that's it. I wanted to become an interpreter or a tour guide, because l felt like I am gifted in understanding foreign languages. But I managed to graduate as an engineer and fell in love. But well, thank you who noticed that, I will take it as a compliment. :)
It's possible some RW know English and proper grammar well. Lily is one. If you're worried about being fooled, have management check out the OP's IP address.
If you are worried about anything, it is no problem for me to start replying in russian. However, I doubt we will be ready for constructive conversation :)
I hope I satisfied everyone's interest in my English language skills. Though I think there is always much to learn and it is never enough when it comes to foreign languages.
P.S Anotherkiwi, if you are reading me, I will reply to you later, your post is a huge one. I have to sleep now. :)
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P.S Anotherkiwi, if you are reading me, I will reply to you later, your post is a huge one. I have to sleep now. :)
Considering it's now 2.53 am in Saint Petersburg, I should hope so!
I'll look forward to your response.
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Life is wonderful, apart from the horrendous sub-tropical storm which has just devastated much of the country. While the USA has had Grayson, and the UK and Ireland have had Eleanor, we have had one that didn't rate a name but still killed a woman by dropping a tree on her car as she drove along a suburban street. :( Many places have had floods that are the worst seen in 30 or 50 years.
However... as you say, New Zealand is a very beautiful country. Many years ago, what was then our Tourist and Publicity Department (now the Ministry of Tourism) ran an advertising campaign called "Don't leave town 'til you've seen the country." It was aimed at New Zealanders who wanted to see tourist attractions overseas, but who didn't realise just how much there is to see in their own country. There are simply so many things to see that I could spend all night writing a list! Cutting it down, though, and travelling from north to south, I would highlight:
1. Cape Reinga - the northernmost point of New Zealand which has public access (North Cape is further north, but is on private land). This is where the Pacific Ocean meets the Tasman Sea, and is the mythological jumping-off point for the spirits of dead Maori to leave the land for the underworld.
2. Bay of Islands - considered by world-famous author Zane Grey, who had a fishing lodge there, to have the finest views in the world. The Treaty of Waitangi (New Zealand's founding document, although not a Constitution as such) was first signed in the grounds of what is now called the Treaty House.
3. Auckland - built on over 50 (extinct :D) volcanoes, New Zealand's largest city has dozens of attractions which too many visitors bypass on their way to other parts of the country. The Skytower, the War Memorial Museum, Museum of Transport and Technology, Kelly Tarlton's Underwater World, Bastion Point, Mt Eden, Rangitoto and Waiheke Islands are probably top of the list - we also have a great zoo, but so do many other places. There is a hop-on, hop-off Explorer bus which does a circuit of all these sites.
4. Waitomo Caves - amazing rock formations, topped off by a boat trip along an underground river through the world's greatest collection of glow-worms.
5. Hobbiton - if you're a fan of the "Lord of the Rings" films, this purpose-built village near Matamata is a must-see.
6. Rotorua - number one tourist destination in the North Island, and the home of Maori culture and displays for tourists (and I mean that in a good way).
7. Taupo - New Zealand's largest lake has its namesake town at the north end and the three Central Plateau volcanoes (one extinct, two occasionally active) at the south end. Mt Ruapehu is home to the North Island's skifields.
8. Napier - Art Deco capital of the world, whatever other cities might claim. A devastating earthquake in 1931 killed hundreds of people in Napier and Hastings, and much of Napier was rebuilt in the Art Deco style which was so popular at the time.
9. Wellington - capital city, with lots of hills and MUCH windier than Chicago! Home to the unique Beehive (Government office building next to the Houses of Parliament) and Te Papa Tongarewa (the National Museum of New Zealand) amongst many other attractions. Absolutely compulsory to visit this if you're in the city.
10. Marlborough Sounds - possibly the best example of a drowned coastline in the world, at the top of the South Island. A 3-4 hour ferry trip across Cook Strait from Wellington. You probably need to use a boat for two or three days to get the full effect. If you're an experienced diver, the wreck of the Russian cruise liner "Mikhail Lermontov" is in reasonably shallow water and is a very popular destination.
11. Kaikoura - home to some of the world's best whale- and dolphin-watching tours. Devastated by an earthquake in November 2016, the main highways north and south have only recently been reopened.
12. Christchurch - biggest city in the South Island. Huge earthquakes in 2010 and 2011 killed many people, flattened much of the central business district, and destroyed or damaged thousands of homes. The city is gradually rebuilding but, even after all this time, there is a lot still to be done. Christchurch Cathedral was probably the most-visited attraction - it now lies in ruins, although there are still plans to rebuild it (in the face of Government opposition, which would prefer it to be completely demolished and replaced).
13. Queenstown - tourist capital of the South Island. Many attractions in and around the city, including Coronet Peak skifield, the Earnslaw paddle steamer on Lake Wakatipu and the Shotover Jet speedboat rides.
14. Milford Sound - spectacular views in the most-visited part of Fiordland. You can drive, fly or walk there (the Milford Track is a four-day trek). A word of warning, though - the sandflies are more than a nuisance! :cluebat: Take your insect repellent. :devil:
Why? It's what happened. Russia agreed to the sovereignty of Ukraine's borders in the Budapest Memorandum, and then cynically ignored its own undertakings. That is not...
There are many other countries in the world which have people of the same ethnicity but which do NOT invade each other to "protect" that group.
As ML wrote in reply to you earlier. I would love to keep my head out of this mess, but it's one which your government created by its illegal actions and will therefore influence my decision on whether or not I visit Russia again. However, it's not just Russia - there are other countries which, for various reasons, I won't visit either.
Sorry to hear about the storm. I wonder where the safest place in the world could be. How do they give those names to storms, according to what?
1.Is it where the Tasmanian devil comes from? :) I remember a cartoon with him.
Who are the Maori?
2.I am looking through the Bay of Islands pictures - amazing! You must be really happy to be able to see such beauty and live so close to that.
3. WOW!!! I now definitely wish to travel there and see for myself.
4. Glow-worms? Are they real worms? I googled for them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowworm#/media/
File:Arachnocampa_luminosa_larvae.jpg must be really beautiful :D :D :D I hope they are not edible
5.Oh, really??? Is it located also there? OMG. What is it like? are there hobbits who entertain tourists?
6.I still wonder who Maori are.
Having read all about the places of attraction you mentioned above, I noticed this impressive language that you use in your descriptions, which cannot leave one indifferent. Are you not a paid-up tour guide who encourages people from all over the world to travel and spend their money on tourism in New Zealand?? :D I would gladly travel there to see all these places but I wouldn't like to live there as you say there are frequent earthquakes and storms. This is not typical for Russia, but we've got our own issues. You never know )
As for the rest questions, back to the discussion of what I don't really want to discuss. As we all know in all kinds of conflicts there are two sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle. So according to information we get through our mass media we build our judgement (that. It is a good way of controlling one's opinion, attitude, mind in general.
I am not sure if you are able to read the following article in russian language (it is essential) the background to conflict
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Наиболее масштабные общественно-политические изменения в феврале — марте 2014 года произошли в Крыму. 23-27 февраля здесь была осуществлена смена исполнительных органов власти Севастополя и Автономной Республики Крым, а те, в свою очередь, отказались признать легитимность нового украинского правительства и обратились за содействием и помощью (в том числе военной) к руководству России. 1 марта президент Российской Федерации Владимир Путин внёс в Совет Федерации РФ обращение «Об использовании войск Российской Федерации на территории Украины»[22][23]. В тот же день Совет Федерации принял соответствующее постановление[24]. 2 марта в телефонном разговоре с президентом США Владимир Путин отметил, что в случае дальнейшего распространения насилия на восточные регионы Украины и Крым Россия оставляет за собой право защитить свои интересы и проживающее там русскоязычное население[25].
Новые местные органы власти в АРК и Севастополе, благодаря поддержке России и несмотря на попытки противодействия со стороны властей Украины и давление стран Запада, в сжатые сроки организовали и провели 16 марта референдум о статусе Крыма, предложив населению Крыма ответить на вопрос о возможности его выхода из состава Украины и вхождения в состав России[26]. 17 марта на основании результатов референдума и принятой 11 марта Декларации о независимости была в одностороннем порядке провозглашена суверенная Республика Крым, в состав которой вошёл Севастополь в качестве города с особым статусом. 18 марта был подписан договор между Российской Федерацией и Республикой Крым о принятии Республики Крым в состав России[27][28].
Безусловно, эти события повлияли на ситуацию на Юго-Востоке Украины. По мере радикализации выступлений и появления новых пророссийских лидеров мирные протесты на территории Донецкой и Луганской областей постепенно переросли в вооружённое противостояние, а лозунги федерализации Украины сменились здесь требованиями самостоятельности регионов и привели к провозглашению Донецкой и Луганской народных республик. Для подавления сепаратистских выступлений украинское руководство объявило о начале антитеррористической операции. В остальных регионах в результате жёсткой позиции властей открытые массовые протесты постепенно сошли на нет.
The executive authorities of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea didn't agree to consider the legitimacy of the new Ukrainian government and appealed for help and assistance to Russia.
After the referendum by the new authorities of the above mentioned territories, the population over there were asked to consider the possibility of Crimea to become a part of Russia. As the result they joined us.
Has anyone seen what a nightmare there was? Civilians, innocent people killed by the army of their own government. Everything was being destroyed. No way can anything have more value than human life. We live in modern society, 21 century.
I am not following the news ever since then. Sorry, I am out of discussion on that topic.
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Having read all about the places of attraction you mentioned above, I noticed this impressive language that you use in your descriptions, which cannot leave one indifferent. Are you not a paid-up tour guide who encourages people from all over the world to travel and spend their money on tourism in New Zealand?? :D I would gladly travel there to see all these places but I wouldn't like to live there as you say there are frequent earthquakes and storms. This is not typical for Russia, but we've got our own issues. You never know )
As for the rest questions, back to the discussion of what I don't really want to discuss. As we all know in all kinds of conflicts there are two sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle. So according to information we get through our mass media we build our judgement (that. It is a good way of controlling one's opinion, attitude, mind in general.
I am not sure if you are able to read the following article in russian language (it is essential) the background to conflict
Наиболее масштабные общественно-политические изменения в феврале — марте 2014 года произошли в Крыму. 23-27 февраля здесь была осуществлена смена исполнительных органов власти Севастополя и Автономной Республики Крым, а те, в свою очередь, отказались признать легитимность нового украинского правительства и обратились за содействием и помощью (в том числе военной) к руководству России. 1 марта президент Российской Федерации Владимир Путин внёс в Совет Федерации РФ обращение «Об использовании войск Российской Федерации на территории Украины»[22][23]. В тот же день Совет Федерации принял соответствующее постановление[24]. 2 марта в телефонном разговоре с президентом США Владимир Путин отметил, что в случае дальнейшего распространения насилия на восточные регионы Украины и Крым Россия оставляет за собой право защитить свои интересы и проживающее там русскоязычное население[25].
Новые местные органы власти в АРК и Севастополе, благодаря поддержке России и несмотря на попытки противодействия со стороны властей Украины и давление стран Запада, в сжатые сроки организовали и провели 16 марта референдум о статусе Крыма, предложив населению Крыма ответить на вопрос о возможности его выхода из состава Украины и вхождения в состав России[26]. 17 марта на основании результатов референдума и принятой 11 марта Декларации о независимости была в одностороннем порядке провозглашена суверенная Республика Крым, в состав которой вошёл Севастополь в качестве города с особым статусом. 18 марта был подписан договор между Российской Федерацией и Республикой Крым о принятии Республики Крым в состав России[27][28].
Безусловно, эти события повлияли на ситуацию на Юго-Востоке Украины. По мере радикализации выступлений и появления новых пророссийских лидеров мирные протесты на территории Донецкой и Луганской областей постепенно переросли в вооружённое противостояние, а лозунги федерализации Украины сменились здесь требованиями самостоятельности регионов и привели к провозглашению Донецкой и Луганской народных республик. Для подавления сепаратистских выступлений украинское руководство объявило о начале антитеррористической операции. В остальных регионах в результате жёсткой позиции властей открытые массовые протесты постепенно сошли на нет.
The executive authorities of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea didn't agree to consider the legitimacy of the new Ukrainian government and appealed for help and assistance to Russia.
After the referendum by the new authorities of the above mentioned territories, the population over there were asked to consider the possibility of Crimea to become a part of Russia. As the result they joined us.
Has anyone seen what a nightmare there was? Civilians, innocent people killed by the army of their own government. Everything was being destroyed. No way can anything have more value than human life. We live in modern society, 21 century.
I am not following the news ever since then. Sorry, I am out of discussion on that topic.
Good Morning, Lena,
I know that you don't want to read about these things, but there are some little tidbits you should know:
1. The change of government and ouster of Yanukovych was supported by both the Western Ukrainians and by the Party of Regions. It was not just Western Ukrainian influences.
2. The impetus for rebellion in Eastern Ukraine was influenced by Russian sponsored activists (mostly GRU).
A small story that illustrates this point is that when the "Separatists" sought to take over the Admin Building / Seat of Government in Kharkov, they accidentally got the building wrong and attacked the Opera House! LOL!
Not exactly an uprising by the local population. Even I know the difference between the Admin Building and the Opera House in Kharkiv.
3. While the Crimean legislative body did vote to associate itself with Russia, it was done in an early morning session and with the presence of guns that were brought in by Russian GRU members.
The simple fact is that Russia could not accept a pro-Western Ukraine at its doorstep. Just as the United States would probably never accept an anti-US government in Mexico. So Russia acted in its own interest.
V.V. Putin later admitted that the 'Green Men' that appeared in Crimea were Russian soldiers. And most of the military that fought in the Donbas and Lugansk were, indeed, Russian soldiers as well.
I noticed these elements missing from the Wikipedia article you referenced.
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The appearance tells a lot about its owner. It is mostly about the face: eyes, the way one smiles, teeth.. it's difficult enough to explain, but I suppose it is obvious, that when you look at someone you can tell if a person is kind or rude and strict, if he or she is happy or not, if he or she is able of being agressive or even cruel, it is possible to predict some traits of character. A lot can be predicted through photos. A lot, but not everything of course.
Later, when you get to know each other in person, you may see, hear and feel a lot more: gestures, voice, smell, but it all starts with the first impression. So many times I met loving couples who looked alike. They were truly in love and their faces would copy each other's facial expressions and become similar even if they looked completely different at first. This only means that our psyche likes to copy what is pleasant for us.
Real men... there are many criteria when it comes to consideration. But the majority of my friends in Saint Petersburg who are mothers now have to cope on their own most of the time. That fact alone speaks for itself. It turns out that women take responsibility and find ways to survive with their child. Usually women cannot get back to work until their child goes to a kindergarten which is not until the age of three (provided that your child gets a place by that time). The first year at kindergarten is also a hard time. So if you have no family who can help you with the child, you are screwed.
What are your criteria of a REAL MAN? Can you describe?
I studied at two schools: with advanced studies in arts and advanced studies in English, I chose it as one of my Unified State Exams when I graduated. I have practiced it since then and that's it. I wanted to become an interpreter or a tour guide, because l felt like I am gifted in understanding foreign languages. But I managed to graduate as an engineer and fell in love. But well, thank you who noticed that, I will take it as a compliment. :)
If you are worried about anything, it is no problem for me to start replying in russian. However, I doubt we will be ready for constructive conversation :)
I hope I satisfied everyone's interest in my English language skills. Though I think there is always much to learn and it is never enough when it comes to foreign languages.
P.S Anotherkiwi, if you are reading me, I will reply to you later, your post is a huge one. I have to sleep now. :)
Welcome!
Never mind the political discussion in your introduction.
People would not do so in person, but thats part of internet forums.
You do seemingly have a talent for languages and a better command of English than most posters, myself included :)
An educated, young RW with great English offering a friendly contact , and possible guide service , to one of the world's most beautiful cities is the dream of most forums of this type. When single and traveling I certainly would have appreciated such a good contact .
So , Elena, my advice is just ignore the random noise here, you've already done well at it,and hopefully make some good contacts!
By the way, my wife has been in the West some years now, and says that while humans are humans everywhere, with much the same traits, family oriented men without issues seem more abundant here(she notices my married friends and their active role in their child's lives,as well as my divorced friends and their active life in their children's lives as well)
Just her observation of course(and I'm the world's best father and husband, so she has a strong bias) :)
but many of her FSU friends share this view, regardless if they are here in the West single, married to same culture, or married to a western man.
:welcome:
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Nice post, AJ.
And very well supported by your own experiences. I, too, hope Lena can get past the noise. St. Petersburg is my favorite city in Russia and I encourage people to link up with her if possible. The trip to Peter, alone, is worth the price of admission (American slang).
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What are your criteria of a REAL MAN? Can you describe?
Based off what I read from women's profiles, a real man may be one or more for the following: Caring, responsible, honest, hard working, taking care of family financially and taking care of any other needs of the family, a gentleman, strong physically and emotionally, and dependable. There's a few more but you get the idea. Are those traits you would hope to find in a future husband?
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Sorry to hear about the storm. I wonder where the safest place in the world could be. How do they give those names to storms, according to what?
I honestly don't know where the safest place (regarding weather) is now. As climate change continues, weather conditions get more extreme. Atlantic and Eastern Pacific hurricanes have a list of names which are reused every few years, unless one gets retired because of the damage it caused (e.g. Hurricane Sandy). Western Pacific typhoons are referred to by different names in different countries.
With hurricanes, firestorms, extreme droughts and now blizzards and winter storms, most parts of the world are affected somehow.
1.Is it where the Tasmanian devil comes from? :) I remember a cartoon with him.
No. The Tasmanian Devil comes from the island of Tasmania in Australia. Forget whatever you have seen in cartoons - they are ferocious predators, but the whole species is suffering from a crippling facial disease which is killing a large proportion of the entire population. There is no known cure.
Who are the Maori?
The Maori are the original settlers of New Zealand, arriving here (as legend would have it) in several great canoes between about 1100 and 1300. Their mythical homeland is Hawaiiki (not be confused with Hawaii), which most anthropologists now believe is likely to have been Taiwan.
4. Glow-worms? Are they real worms? I googled for them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowworm#/media/
File:Arachnocampa_luminosa_larvae.jpg must be really beautiful :D :D :D I hope they are not edible
Not real worms, and definitely not to be eaten - they are totally protected.
5.Oh, really??? Is it located also there? OMG. What is it like? are there hobbits who entertain tourists?
Hobbits aren't real. ;D There are tours of the farm and the film set - I haven't been there myself, so I don't know about the entertainment!
Having read all about the places of attraction you mentioned above, I noticed this impressive language that you use in your descriptions, which cannot leave one indifferent. Are you not a paid-up tour guide who encourages people from all over the world to travel and spend their money on tourism in New Zealand?? :D
There used to be overseas tour companies (usually from the USA) which offered their clients the chance to have a dinner at home with a "typical" New Zealand family, usually on the last night before they fly home (it may still happen - I don't know). My mother was one of the hosts for these groups for several years, as a result of which we met many interesting people, some of whom are still friends to this day. I would always play the role of tour guide, telling them about Auckland and usually taking them up one of our volcanoes to see the city at night, before taking them back to their hotel.
I did (and still do) the same sort of thing if I find myself sitting next to a tourist on a flight within New Zealand.
I would gladly travel there to see all these places but I wouldn't like to live there as you say there are frequent earthquakes and storms. This is not typical for Russia, but we've got our own issues. You never know )
Don't misunderstand me - although there are small earthquakes in certain parts of the country (NOT Auckland), really big earthquakes don't happen often. Even then, they don't kill as many people as in Napier and Christchurch. Even the Kaikoura earthquake in 2016, which was quite big, only killed two people. Sub-tropical storms are rare - maybe one every three or four years, and they normally only affect the north and east of the North Island. Ones like last week, affecting most of the country, are extremely rare.
If you ever come to New Zealand, I would be delighted to show you around. I've made the same offer in general to all the members of this forum but, so far, nobody has travelled this far from home. :(
As for the rest questions, back to the discussion of what I don't really want to discuss. As we all know in all kinds of conflicts there are two sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle. So according to information we get through our mass media we build our judgement (that. It is a good way of controlling one's opinion, attitude, mind in general.
I am not sure if you are able to read the following article in russian language (it is essential) the background to conflict
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The executive authorities of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea didn't agree to consider the legitimacy of the new Ukrainian government and appealed for help and assistance to Russia.
After the referendum by the new authorities of the above mentioned territories, the population over there were asked to consider the possibility of Crimea to become a part of Russia. As the result they joined us.
Sorry, but I my Russian is very limited. However, as jone has pointed out above, the Crimean Parliament was held at gunpoint until it requested assistance from Russia. The so-called "referendum," which has not been acknowledged as legitimate by any country other than Russia, asked two questions - do you want to become part of Russia now, or later? It had no option to maintain the status of Crimea as an autonomous republic within Ukraine. While a proper referendum would quite possibly have still had the same result, it would certainly NOT have had a 97% vote in favour of becoming part of Russia - and nor would there have been places where the number of votes cast was 25% (or more) greater than the total population of the area!
Has anyone seen what a nightmare there was? Civilians, innocent people killed by the army of their own government. Everything was being destroyed.
Which people are you talking about? If you mean those who died in the Maidan, they were not killed by their own army - they were killed by snipers from the Secret Service, almost certainly acting on the orders of Yanukovich. There are three or four members of this forum who were actually in the Maidan at the time, and witnessed exactly what was going on. Thanks to them, we're lucky that we don't have to rely on ANY news service for a description of the events.
No way can anything have more value than human life. We live in modern society, 21 century.
I am not following the news ever since then. Sorry, I am out of discussion on that topic.
I would also like to opt out of such a discussion. However, it is a legitimate topic if someone from the west is contemplating a relationship with a Russian woman. While I would love to meet you, and use your services as a guide, I can't see us ever developing a romantic relationship (especially as I'm old enough to be your father!), because our opinions on this topic are obviously a long way apart.
The longer you stay on this forum, the more arguments you will see between members on certain topics - but you will also see those same members agreeing on certain other things. The joys of the internet! :cheesy:
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Good Morning, Lena,
I know that you don't want to read about these things, but there are some little tidbits you should know:
1. The change of government and ouster of Yanukovych was supported by both the Western Ukrainians and by the Party of Regions. It was not just Western Ukrainian influences.
2. The impetus for rebellion in Eastern Ukraine was influenced by Russian sponsored activists (mostly GRU).
A small story that illustrates this point is that when the "Separatists" sought to take over the Admin Building / Seat of Government in Kharkov, they accidentally got the building wrong and attacked the Opera House! LOL!
Not exactly an uprising by the local population. Even I know the difference between the Admin Building and the Opera House in Kharkiv.
3. While the Crimean legislative body did vote to associate itself with Russia, it was done in an early morning session and with the presence of guns that were brought in by Russian GRU members.
The simple fact is that Russia could not accept a pro-Western Ukraine at its doorstep. Just as the United States would probably never accept an anti-US government in Mexico. So Russia acted in its own interest.
V.V. Putin later admitted that the 'Green Men' that appeared in Crimea were Russian soldiers. And most of the military that fought in the Donbas and Lugansk were, indeed, Russian soldiers as well.
I noticed these elements missing from the Wikipedia article you referenced.
Presence of guns? I am so sorry to continue this conversation, but I feel that I have to. I was born in Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, have lived all my life here, my mother was born in Belarus, I studied the political history, have lots of friends and relatives, have been to Crimea at our friend's home who was finally glad to live again in the same country with her own son.
Let us look back into the history
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К XVI веку Османская империя перешла к стратегической обороне, основными компонентами которой было строительство крепостей в устьях рек, создание своего рода буферной зоны — безлюдной территории «Дикого поля», перенос вооружённой борьбы с северными соседями — Польшей и Россией — вглубь польских и российских владений, используя для этого зависимое от неё Крымское ханство[3].
С конца XV века Крымское ханство совершало постоянные набеги на Русское государство и Речь Посполитую. Основная цель набегов — захват рабов и их перепродажа на турецких рынках. Общее число рабов, прошедших через крымские рынки, оценивается в три миллиона человек[4].
By the 16th century the Ottoman Empire shifted to strategic defense, the main components of which were the construction of fortresses in the mouths of rivers, the creation of a kind of buffer zone - the uninhabited territory of the Wild Field, the transfer of armed struggle against its northern neighbors - Poland and Russia - deep into the Polish and Russian possessions, using for this the Crimean Khanate, which was dependent on it.
Since the end of the XV century, the Crimean Khanate made constant raids on Russian state and the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. The main purpose of the raids is to capture slaves and resell them in Turkish markets.
Russo-Turkish war 1768-1774
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21 июля 1774 года Османская империя вынуждена была подписать с Россией Кючук-Кайнарджийский договор. В результате войны, закончившейся победой Российской империи, в её состав вошли первые земли в Крыму — крепости Керчь и Еникале (остальной Крым был присоединён к России на 9 лет позже — в 1783 году), на северном побережье Чёрного моря — Кинбурн с прилегающими территориями, а также Азов и Кабарда. Крымское ханство формально обрело независимость под протекторатом России. Россия получила право вести торговлю и обладать военным флотом на Чёрном море.
The war resulted in Russian Empire acquiring some parts of Crimea. The rest part of it was annexed 9 years later in 1783.
The Crimean Khanate formally gained independence under the protectorate of Russia.
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The modern history of the Crimea begins with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire by Catherine the Great in 1783 and the handing over of the Crimea by the Ottoman Empire to Russia as part of the Treaty provision. After two centuries of conflict, the Russian fleet had destroyed the Ottoman navy and the Russian army had inflicted heavy defeats on the Ottoman land forces.
Annexation of Crimea by Russian Empire
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The territory of Crimea, previously controlled by the Crimean Khanate, was annexed by the Russian Empire on 19 April [O.S. 8 April] 1783.[1] The period before the annexation was marked by Russian interference in Crimean affairs, a series of revolts by Crimean Tatars, and Ottoman ambivalence. The annexation began many years of Russian rule in Crimea, which ended with the transfer of the territory to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954. Russia annexed Crimea for a second time in March 2014, though that annexation is not recognised internationally.[2][3]
In soviet times we were basically the same government with the Ukraine.
Belarus and Ukraine also for the first time gained statehood as a consequence of the Great October Revolution in the USSR republics. And only in 1991 (also from Russia) they gained their full independence.
There were several attempts by Crimea to get back to Russia in the history after it had been separated from us. Even Sevastopol wasn't really Ukrainian by status though it stopped being Russian as well. There have been issues over that territory for all these years: P.S. sorry, i am not translating the articles because it is too much.
You can use the google translator, not just a different language version of this website if you like to get deeper into the topic.
Transfer of Crimea in 1954
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1 октября 1991 Президиум Верховного Совета Крыма выступил с заявлением, в котором назвал акт передачи Крыма Украине в 1954 году совершённым «без учета мнения народа», и, отметив, что в сложившейся ситуации «мы не считали бы оправданным ставить сегодня вопрос о пересмотре границ», призвал «уважать право крымчан строить свою государственность на основе референдума, если это будет вызвано изменением политической ситуации»[32]. 22 ноября парламент Крыма рассматривал возможность обращения к президенту СССР Михаилу Горбачёву с просьбой об отмене указа Президиума ВС СССР 1954 года о передаче Крыма в состав Украинской ССР, однако решение принято не было[33].
В результате обострения противостояния на Украине в феврале 2014 года председатель Верховного Совета Крыма Владимир Константинов заявил, что в случае смещения центральной власти Украины, парламент АР Крым может денонсировать решение Президиума ЦК КПСС от 1954 года о передаче Крыма Украине[39][Комм 2]. В декабре 2014 года он назвал присоединение Крыма к Российской Федерации, осуществлённое в феврале—марте того же года, «исправлением исторической несправедливости 1954 года»[44].
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Постановление Президиума Верховного Совета РСФСР от 5 февраля 1954 года «О передаче Крымской области из состава РСФСР в состав УССР», одноимённый Указ Президиума Верховного Совета СССР от 19 февраля 1954 года и Закон СССР от 26 апреля 1954 года по данному вопросу не содержат какого-либо упоминания о Севастополе.
В условиях противостояния президента и парламента России, вылившегося осенью 1993 года в разгон Верховного Совета, постановление Верховного Совета исполнено не было[38][39], а в принятой 12 декабря 1993 года Конституции Российской Федерации упоминание о Севастополе как субъекте Российской Федерации отсутствовало[40].
23 августа 1994 года Севастопольский городской совет народных депутатов провозгласил «российский статус города» и обратился к властям РФ и Украины с просьбой закрепить его[41]. Решение было отменено Верховной радой Украины[42][43].
The Sevastopol city council proclaimed the russian status of the city and asked Ukraine and Russia to legitimize it, but Supreme Council of Ukraine turned it down.
Not sure if you can read those articles in russian. Please use your google translator or ask me if you come across something you can't understand in those articles. I will try to help.
Just a little history between former parts of the same government.
Probably it is worth getting back to the very beginning, the times of us being just tribes on one land and times of Kievan Rus' and its earliest princes, who knows, maybe we will find some differences between how they teach us history at our schools and universities. But I don't feel like doing that after I graduated from school)))
The majority of Crimean population has never felt like ukrainian. Some were born there when it was russian before becoming ukrainian. So guns? Imagine you would use guns against your closest neighbours, who historically are people of the same country for more than a hundred years, some may be members of your families, speak the same language, and feel like russian. And after they are "seized" they get social privileges and support, when the resources that could have been spent on your people's social lives, (pensions and other) get spent on that "seized" region.
http://youtu.be/VBpY31HoTko
http://youtu.be/z5j6f5P7A90
http://youtu.be/3DBdh1HFgvg
http://www.pravda.ru/politics/authority/18-03-2017/1327700-mneniya-0/
To cut it short, it was Crimean natives' own free will with the support of Russia. The only reason there could be russians with guns is to protect and keep the whole thing calm, in terms of the whole situation it must have been reasonable. Speaking of the Donbass, the western part of which is russian, in order to support the inhabitants of the Donbass, humanitarian aid was sent. What V.V. admits, is that the military in the Donbass that was mentioned in your post appeared there after people, including civillians, started being killed with the help of the tanks, artillery and systems of salvo fire. Would anyone say that those methods of war are acceptable?
People who were born in Crimea in USSR and grew up and became a part of Ukraine, then a part of Russia are now happy. It is what people living there say. The natives who are russian in their blood.
What about the power blackout in 2015 by anti-russian activists? The whole peninsular was cut off from electricity and cooked shashlik for the whole week because they could not store meat anymore without electricity.
Thank you for your attention. I suggest each of us keeps to his own opinion about the whole situation because it is how people's minds are controlled. And I am not into conflicts.
I am done.
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Welcome!
Never mind the political discussion in your introduction.
People would not do so in person, but thats part of internet forums.
You do seemingly have a talent for languages and a better command of English than most posters, myself included :)
An educated, young RW with great English offering a friendly contact , and possible guide service , to one of the world's most beautiful cities is the dream of most forums of this type. When single and traveling I certainly would have appreciated such a good contact .
So , Elena, my advice is just ignore the random noise here, you've already done well at it,and hopefully make some good contacts!
By the way, my wife has been in the West some years now, and says that while humans are humans everywhere, with much the same traits, family oriented men without issues seem more abundant here(she notices my married friends and their active role in their child's lives,as well as my divorced friends and their active life in their children's lives as well)
Just her observation of course(and I'm the world's best father and husband, so she has a strong bias) :)
but many of her FSU friends share this view, regardless if they are here in the West single, married to same culture, or married to a western man.
:welcome:
Thank you!
I never really liked any political discussions but it is not pleasant when people treat you upon their political view and general attitude to our country through the glass of mass media or maybe also historical studies that we all get at schools. When I was on my car trip to Montenegro last summer, we drove through Belarus, Poland, Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia and reached Montenegro. I can say that the atmosphere in those countries felt like as follows: Belarus feels like Russia, but more open-minded, Poland - absolutely indifferent, maybe cold a bit, Serbia and Montenegro seem to love russians, though they say there are those who do and the rest who don't. Like there is a split. It is just in the air.
But russian women are for sure in demand in Montenegro and Serbia (by saying russian I mean women from FSU) I had never got that much attention before and people seemed really nice and funny. Maybe because they have many sunny days a year. And that makes me think they are in demand elsewhere and with much better attitude and responsibility.
That is so pleasant to find out that the world's best fathers and husbands exist. :)
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Elenushka-- the topic starter, welcome and don't forget that the men who have replied to you are ,mostly, russophobes. The young generation in the USA are far more friendly and their collective brain is LESS masterminded by the FAKE MEDIA.
ELENUSHKA, YOU ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND SMART AND CAN FIND A LOT OF EXCELLENT AMERICAN GUYS OF YOUR AGE HERE IN US. WISHING YOU THE VERY BEST IN YOUR SEARCH!
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That is so pleasant to find out that the world's best fathers and husbands exist. :)
I don't claim that title,
but my wife gives it to me regardless my faults ;)
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Hi Elena
Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
Both.
What is your attitude to/opinion of the life and people over here?
Climate is horrible, people are people wherever you go.
Have you ever come across a bear/would you like to?))
Yes, on a lead in a street in Kishinev and again outside Hermitage.
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Elenushka-- the topic starter, welcome and don't forget that the men who have replied to you are ,mostly, russophobes. The young generation in the USA are far more friendly and their collective brain is LESS masterminded by the FAKE MEDIA.
:ROFL:
Now I realise that you may not be including me in the 'russophobe' list, but that's what I'm called in another place for pointing out that those sitting in the Kremlin:
Control the TV output in the big four TV stns and make life HELL for independents - using Roskomnadzor ( media Regulator) - so much for 'Fake News'
Moscow was pumping out utter tripe about Nazi's and Juntas - the former being an insult to most Ukrainians who lost loved-ones in the Great Patriotic War
Crimea was an agreed part of UKRAINE and Ukraine gave up it's Nuclear defence capability to be 'protected' by Russia, France, UK and USA - Budapest Memorandum
The MILITARY intervention in Crimea was long planned and Moscow put a fear in the people of the Peninsula that was needless - the Ukrainians could NEVER have wrested control of the peninsula with 25-30K RU military personnel there... and we saw what happened when Russia decided to confiscate UA military hardware and surround UA bases...
NO 'Russians' got killed, but an unarmed UA officer was killed in custody - shot during a fight with one of his 'guards 'and a Tatar 'activist' - turned up dead.
The 'Referendum' was a joke - as was the result... '97 percent' ..
Crimea was ethnically Russian and it should be clear to all that this was a Kremlin stunt - to divert attention from internal woes. It has done tremendous damage to Russia's reputation internationally and few nations trust her((
This 'russophobe' spends half his life in Russia and I have no issues with her people - just the leadership
ELENUSHKA, YOU ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND SMART AND CAN FIND A LOT OF EXCELLENT AMERICAN GUYS OF YOUR AGE HERE IN US. WISHING YOU THE VERY BEST IN YOUR SEARCH!
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I studied at two schools: with advanced studies in arts and advanced studies in English, I chose it as one of my Unified State Exams when I graduated. I have practiced it since then and that's it. I wanted to become an interpreter or a tour guide, because l felt like I am gifted in understanding foreign languages. But I managed to graduate as an engineer and fell in love. But well, thank you who noticed that, I will take it as a compliment. :)
Elena,
Welcome to RWD!
I think it is the right thing for you to be looking abroad for a partner. From my 13 years of marriage and life in the US as well as reading several forums all this time - I think you will be very successful. You are young, smart, have great English already, and very good education that is transferable to the US with some additional studying/licensing.
Just two pieces of friendly advice:
1. Avoid those men that complain about ALL western women and have nothing good to say about them.Also those that never managed to have a relationship with a woman from their own country.
2. 99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin. ;D
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99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin. ;D
Dunno, most men are keen to hand over their seed freely enough... ;D
Avoid those men that complain about ALL western women
Couldn't agree more.
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2. 99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin. ;D
I like taking women. But I'm also a giver. I work 8 hours a day on the job for my wife. When I come home, I work another 8 hours in the house for her. And at night, she makes me work another 8 hours. She doesn't let me rest!
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Based off what I read from women's profiles, a real man may be one or more for the following: Caring, responsible, honest, hard working, taking care of family financially and taking care of any other needs of the family, a gentleman, strong physically and emotionally, and dependable. There's a few more but you get the idea. Are those traits you would hope to find in a future husband?
I would reeeeaaaly hope to find those traits, preferably in one single man. And he better not be married yet. They usually are either married or have negative experience by now. It is so freezing outside, I guess they are hiding well, somewhere. :)
What traits do you consider for a real quality woman?
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It is so freezing outside.......
Got out before the freeeeeeeze )))
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What traits do you consider for a real quality woman?
Intelligent, beautiful, kind, good manners, responsible, caring and a person of integrity.
I also like a woman that accepts roles in the relationship. Some men and women like 50-50 taking turns on chores. My wife and I don't. She does the dishes, cooks, washes clothes, cleans house. I take care of the outside, take care of her car, bring in the money. When she is sick, I will help her.
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Elenushka-- the topic starter, welcome and don't forget that the men who have replied to you are ,mostly, russophobes. The young generation in the USA are far more friendly and their collective brain is LESS masterminded by the FAKE MEDIA.
ELENUSHKA, YOU ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND SMART AND CAN FIND A LOT OF EXCELLENT AMERICAN GUYS OF YOUR AGE HERE IN US. WISHING YOU THE VERY BEST IN YOUR SEARCH!
Ludmila, thank you very much for those words of appreciation! I am grateful to find so many kind people out there at least via the Internet.
I don't claim that title,
but my wife gives it to me regardless my faults ;)
I guess you deserve it, relationship is like a job of commitment, and after so many years I finally understand how it becomes more difficult with time to get into a new relationship and save it for the rest of life. A child requires their parents to have wide range of skills as well. No.1 is multitasking ^^)
That is what my job all about.
Hi Elena
Both.
Climate is horrible, people are people wherever you go.
Yes, on a lead in a street in Kishinev and again outside Hermitage.
In Kishinev? Moldova? when did you travel there?
Where are you from? what climate do you have? :) all things are known by comparison
:ROFL:
Now I realise that you may not be including me in the 'russophobe' list, but that's what I'm called in another place for pointing out that those sitting in the Kremlin:
Control the TV output in the big four TV stns and make life HELL for independents - using Roskomnadzor ( media Regulator) - so much for 'Fake News'
Moscow was pumping out utter tripe about Nazi's and Juntas - the former being an insult to most Ukrainians who lost loved-ones in the Great Patriotic War
Crimea was an agreed part of UKRAINE and Ukraine gave up it's Nuclear defence capability to be 'protected' by Russia, France, UK and USA - Budapest Memorandum
The MILITARY intervention in Crimea was long planned and Moscow put a fear in the people of the Peninsula that was needless - the Ukrainians could NEVER have wrested control of the peninsula with 25-30K RU military personnel there... and we saw what happened when Russia decided to confiscate UA military hardware and surround UA bases...
NO 'Russians' got killed, but an unarmed UA officer was killed in custody - shot during a fight with one of his 'guards 'and a Tatar 'activist' - turned up dead.
The 'Referendum' was a joke - as was the result... '97 percent' ..
Crimea was ethnically Russian and it should be clear to all that this was a Kremlin stunt - to divert attention from internal woes. It has done tremendous damage to Russia's reputation internationally and few nations trust her((
This 'russophobe' spends half his life in Russia and I have no issues with her people - just the leadership
My respect! it is always pleasant to learn about the world from people's own experience and their point of view, even though I gave up on building any negative attitude to the whole mess that takes place on our planet, inside countries, companies, people's heads, etc. Holding to neutral position in this context helps keep my psyche healthy. I remember hearing someone say: Angels live in heaven, and we are on the Earth )
I have to thank you for widening my vocabulary as well, this forum practice will definitely do good to me.
what cities in Russia have you been to?
Elena,
Welcome to RWD!
I think it is the right thing for you to be looking abroad for a partner. From my 13 years of marriage and life in the US as well as reading several forums all this time - I think you will be very successful. You are young, smart, have great English already, and very good education that is transferable to the US with some additional studying/licensing.
Just two pieces of friendly advice:
1. Avoid those men that complain about ALL western women and have nothing good to say about them.Also those that never managed to have a relationship with a woman from their own country.
2. 99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin. ;D
:D Thank you for your advice, yes, they really are. I wonder how much time it may take to find the right person. I don't really expect that this can happen to me, especially with the help of any forums but at least I can get to know what it's like over there.
As far as I understand people in the USA mostly rent than own their own apartments, kindergartens and rent cost a lot in comparison to our prices, and medical service is unbelievably expensive. My friend joked after returning from New York telling me: 'imagine you are at the surgeon's and at the end of a surgery you tell the doctor: "please take my kidney... keep the change :)". Even if I made up my mind for a second higher education or any further studies, which I am interested in, they would cost a fortune over there. Yesterday I was reading about scholarships for people who want to continue their studies abroad, most of them require a student to return back to Russia for a certain period of time after finishing studies, and of course it is not that simple, since you have to take some examination, collect a pile of documents and translate them, you should have money to travel there and other relative expenses and thus I assume that decision is not reasonable to be taken on my own.
Dear friends, can you share any resources for employment and career that are popular abroad (in your country)? Interesting to know.
Dunno, most men are keen to hand over their seed freely enough... ;D
Couldn't agree more.
Lmfao
those are generous
I like taking women. But I'm also a giver. I work 8 hours a day on the job for my wife. When I come home, I work another 8 hours in the house for her. And at night, she makes me work another 8 hours. She doesn't let me rest!
do you feel like a slave :)??? Slave to love))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kp3N3wQPO0
Reminds me of the movie 9½ Weeks, did you watch? ))
Got out before the freeeeeeeze )))
Lucky you! Most people who come to Saint-Petersburg for the first time take sunglasses with them... in winter... :D instead of warm clothes and an umbrella. At least they come with best expectations )))
Intelligent, beautiful, kind, good manners, responsible, caring and a person of integrity.
I also like a woman that accepts roles in the relationship. Some men and women like 50-50 taking turns on chores. My wife and I don't. She does the dishes, cooks, washes clothes, cleans house. I take care of the outside, take care of her car, bring in the money. When she is sick, I will help her.
I used to accept roles in mine, but managed to overindulge and as a result completely gained the roles of both... I am the one who earns money, raises a child, and wants a separate place of my own. And I am not the only example among my acquaintances and friends ) Russian men make Russian women stronger )))
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My respect! it is always pleasant to learn about the world from people's own experience and their point of view, even though I gave up on building any negative attitude to the whole mess that takes place on our planet, inside countries, companies, people's heads, etc. Holding to neutral position in this context helps keep my psyche healthy. I remember hearing someone say: Angels live in heaven, and we are on the Earth )
I have to thank you for widening my vocabulary as well, this forum practice will definitely do good to me.
what cities in Russia have you been to?
Hi Elena
I should point out that I do not feel I can voice my opinion within Russia - as those not 'agreeing' "aren't patriots" )))
In western countries we CAN ( normally ) voice differing opinions without being accused of a lack of patriotism ...!
I have visited all the Hero Cities of the USSR - save Tula, Smolensk and Murmansk and most cities south of Moscow towards Volgograd and Sochi, plus Siberia ( Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Irtkutsk)
Ukraine - save for the far west ( Lviv[ov]) and SW, and central and Eastern Belarus ( incl. Minsk) plus the ( pre) Baltics.
I recently 'drove' in a car from Britain to Sochi ( and back) - cheating by using the train to transport the car to and from Sochi ( from Moscow)
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22274.msg471448#msg471448 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22274.msg471448#msg471448)
I haven't finished writing up the return leg..( via Piter)
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.msg474461#msg474461 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.msg474461#msg474461)
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One thing that kinda sticks in my craw:
It is a concept that we call feminism. In an attempt to achieve equality of the sexes, this political movement has a tendency to overstate male stereotypes in an effort to justify action.
Take, for example, Pitbull's obviously false statement that 99% of men are takers, not givers. I have known many (successful) couples. My guess is that a slight majority of men could be considered takers in these relationships, but certainly not approaching 99%. My experience, and I've asked some of my women friends to chime in - they agree, feel that the individual couple establishes the dynamic.
Do not use Pitbull as a means of determining how to approach men in the United States. Her approach is as close to militant feminist as we have on this board. If you are seeking a happy relationship, feel out the man and how that man interacts not only with you, but with friends, family and acquaintances. I know, for a fact, that of the married couples on this board, many of the men are of the 'giver' variety. Keep in mind that a woman can also determine a man's outlook. If a woman is kind and wise she can go far in determining how her man will interact with her.
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I don’t think how a man reacts to your friends, family, etc. is at all relevant. Look at what is in his heart. That’s all that matters.
Pitbull is hardly a militant feminist. Western mentality is different than the mentality of the Slavic parts of the FSU, and the role of women in the family is different.
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I don’t think how a man reacts to your friends, family, etc. is at all relevant. Look at what is in his heart. That’s all that matters.
Pitbull is hardly a militant feminist. Western mentality is different than the mentality of the Slavic parts of the FSU, and the role of women in the family is different.
Defend her all you want (you do anyway). But there is not anyone on this forum who believes that 99 percent of all men are takers. Yourself included. It was a blatant overstatement which she historically has done in her crusade against men.
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People are entitled to their opinions. But she is not a militant feminist.
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One thing that kinda sticks in my craw:
It is a concept that we call feminism. In an attempt to achieve equality of the sexes, this political movement has a tendency to overstate male stereotypes in an effort to justify action.
Take, for example, Pitbull's obviously false statement that 99% of men are takers, not givers. I have known many (successful) couples. My guess is that a slight majority of men could be considered takers in these relationships, but certainly not approaching 99%. My experience, and I've asked some of my women friends to chime in - they agree, feel that the individual couple establishes the dynamic.
Do not use Pitbull as a means of determining how to approach men in the United States. Her approach is as close to militant feminist as we have on this board. If you are seeking a happy relationship, feel out the man and how that man interacts not only with you, but with friends, family and acquaintances. I know, for a fact, that of the married couples on this board, many of the men are of the 'giver' variety. Keep in mind that a woman can also determine a man's outlook. If a woman is kind and wise she can go far in determining how her man will interact with her.
It (my bolded) would be an interesting poll, Jone.
I, for one, feel that a harmonious relationship (for both partners) with immediate/ extended family and to a lessor degree friends/acquaintances is fundamental to a healthy, strong relationship between a couple.
There will always be one or two potholes in the road as one travels life but strife among family is a drain and might end up with one or both partners having to take a side. This can lead to conflict.
I believe that it should be considered a factor when choosing a mate, male or female.
Brass
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99% of men are takers? That is to the extreme right of a feminazi. I hope she was joking. It had to be said tongue in cheek. I hope. :rolleyes:
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ELENUSHKA, YOU ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND SMART AND CAN FIND A LOT OF EXCELLENT AMERICAN GUYS OF YOUR AGE HERE IN US. WISHING YOU THE VERY BEST IN YOUR SEARCH!
Yes, she can find them and even marry and move to the west.
However, the marriage is unlikely to be successful when it starts to sink in to the western guy the feelings, beliefs and interpretations she has about Russia's past and current actions on the world stage.
So she would be setting herself up for big heartache down the road.
And it won't be successful (over time) for her to try to hide her feelings and beliefs.
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Yes, she can find them and even marry and move to the west.
However, the marriage is unlikely to be successful when it starts to sink in to the western guy the feelings, beliefs and interpretations she has about Russia's past and current actions on the world stage.
So she would be setting herself up for big heartache down the road.
And it won't be successful (over time) for her to try to hide her feelings and beliefs.
To some guys, what the US does or what Russia does or doesn't do has no impact on how they interact on a personal level.
I've had relationships with women from Russia who had views that were similar to our Op's, yet I did not have issues with her, personally. Politics can be a factor in not getting along. But unless the woman or man is militant in their views, it is possible to ameliorate those views on behalf of a loved one.
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To some guys, what the US does or what Russia does or doesn't do has no impact on how they interact on a personal level.
I've had relationships with women from Russia that had views that were similar to our Op's, yet I did not have issues with her, personally. Politics can be a factor in not getting along. But unless the woman or man is militant in their views, it is possible to ameliorate those views on behalf of a loved one.
OK, let's add in some real possibilities.
WM and RW are married.
Armed conflict breaks out between USA and Russia, even if limited in scope. A family member or close family friend of one of them is killed in the conflict.
Now, keep the impact of this out of "how they interact on a personal level."
Another possibility.
Sanctions are racheted up to such a level that the RW's family and friends back in Russia are being severely impacted. The WM is already being bled dry with money sent back to Russia, but it is still not enough; and the money itself does not overcome the bitterness felt toward the American people and government for putting ordinary Russians in this position.
Yes, just rely on 'amelioration.'
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OK, let's add in some real possibilities.
WM and RW are married.
Armed conflict breaks out between USA and Russia, even if limited in scope. A family member or close family friend of one of them is killed in the conflict.
Now, keep the impact of this out of "how they interact on a personal level."
Another possibility.
Sanctions are racheted up to such a level that the RW's family and friends back in Russia are being severely impacted. The WM is already being bled dry with money sent back to Russia, but it is still not enough; and the money itself does not overcome the bitterness felt toward the American people and government for putting ordinary Russians in this position.
Yes, just rely on 'amelioration.'
Extreme situations happen all through life. Either you get through them or you don't. This is nothing compared to, say, mentally retarded offspring or losing a job/longtime unemployment or natural disaster.
Your perspective is of the worst possible scenarios. Keep in mind, on an individual level, people are favorably disposed towards interacting with Russians.
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Your perspective is of the worst possible scenarios. Keep in mind, on an individual level, people are favorably disposed towards interacting with Russians.
Well it has already happened with spouse's friend's killed and family wounded by Russian terrorists in Eastern Ukraine.
I can guarantee you we are not favorably disposed toward interacting with Russians.
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Well it has already happened with spouse's friend's killed and family wounded by Russian terrorists in Eastern Ukraine.
I can guarantee you we are not favorably disposed toward interacting with Russians.
THIS is were I gulp and wonder how you can think this this ...
When the IRA bumped off a British soldier or an 'informer' .... should I have chosen NOT to interact with 'Irish' people, in general?
[ note ] I was brought up in Northern Ireland, taught that the north was part of the UK and to remind people calling me 'Irish' that I was British .....
I took shit from English kids who 'blamed' me for the 1974 Birmingham Pub bombings - I had moved to the 'mainland' ( Great Britain ) [ the United Kingdom is Great Britain and Northern Ireland ]
I was sure that UK justice could never send six men to prison for this atrocity - unless they'd done it .. which it transpired - they HADN'T
During the eighties many Americans though Maggie Thatcher was great on one hand, but 'Irish Americans' sent money to the IRA to buy guns to kill 'my people' ... and Maggie stood by 'us' promising - no surrender.
Who were the 'bad' guys, ML ?
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As far as I understand people in the USA mostly rent than own their own apartments,...
Use the following only as a general information, so please use with caution. As of 2016, there's an estimated 118 million household in the US. About 64% are 'homeowners, 36% renters. A US household typically consist of about 2.6 people.
kindergartens and rent cost a lot in comparison to our prices,
Varies by location & service. We've been exploring cost for day care vs daytime nanny - pre-school - kindegarten, etc... Daytime (bonded) nanny will cost a couple roughly $4,500.00/MO +/- (anywhere from $18-$20.00/hr x however many hours/day you use one). Pre-school cost range is $8,500 - $10,000.00/year (nic $1,000.00 upfront cost); Kindergarten runs a gambit and will mostly depend on specific school and program. Rough estimate (high-end) $15,000.00/yr.
Rent cost, again very subjective. Marina del Rey, my old neighborhood, for example is hovering about $2,500-$3,000/mo for a studio. When I lived there before I got married - 10+ years ago, beach/waterside, one bedroom apartment (that usually mean, in Russian speak 3/4 rooms. You get separate bedroom, living room/dining room, kitchen), I was only paying $1,100.00/mo.
and medical service is unbelievably expensive. My friend joked after returning from New York telling me: 'imagine you are at the surgeon's and at the end of a surgery you tell the doctor: "please take my kidney... keep the change :) ".
Yes. Health care cost in the US is pretty expensive. No argument. However, I believe the last estimate have 83% of insured are via employment. Depending on which health program you choose, determines your co-pay and deductible. For you and your child (considered family plan), you could be looking at about $800.00/mo premium.
Even if I made up my mind for a second higher education or any further studies, which I am interested in, they would cost a fortune over there. Yesterday I was reading about scholarships for people who want to continue their studies abroad, most of them require a student to return back to Russia for a certain period of time after finishing studies, and of course it is not that simple, since you have to take some examination, collect a pile of documents and translate them, you should have money to travel there and other relative expenses and thus I assume that decision is not reasonable to be taken on my own.
Dear friends, can you share any resources for employment and career that are popular abroad (in your country)? Interesting to know....
Without knowing what your ultimate goal is, which degree, or what you plan on pursuing, etc..hard to put a number on that right now. I can tell you that with my wife, who's a CPA now, she had some credit she received from Russia when she first came here. But she still had to go through, IIRC, about 4 years of school (includes selective college level ESL classes). I would estimate it cost us (me) just a tick under $12K/year (cheaper than today's kindergarten schooling). Of course, she didn't have to worry about living expenses, automobile, rent, etc...
Others can chime in in here if they have different or additional helpful information.
Anyway, not sure if this helps any at all. Los Angeles is a pretty expensive city, but I reckon not as expensive as NY, SF, maybe not even Moscow or your town.
Good luck.
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Use the following only as a general information, so please use with caution. As of 2016, there's an estimated 118 million household in the US. About 64% are 'homeowners, 36% renters. A US household typically consist of about 2.6 people.
Rent cost, again very subjective. Marina del Rey, my old neighborhood, for example is hovering about $2,500-$3,000/mo for a studio. When I lived there before I got married - 10+ years ago, beach/waterside, one bedroom apartment (that usually mean, in Russian speak 3/4 rooms. You get separate bedroom, living room/dining room, kitchen), I was only paying $1,100.00/mo.
Anyway, not sure if this helps any at all. Los Angeles is a pretty expensive city, but I reckon not as expensive as NY, SF, maybe not even Moscow or your town.
GQ, I wonder how many of the 64% homeowners are baby boomers? Pretty hard to be homeowner nowadays if 20-30's.
Considering the median household income is $55,000, how can someone own a home let alone rent one, there was an article I read it takes ~100k income to afford RENTING an average house in LA.
Again, use this information as a general rule.
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GQ, I wonder how many of the 64% homeowners are baby boomers? Pretty hard to be homeowner nowadays if 20-30's.
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Here's a good information site that directly answer your Q ~ http://www.nmhc.org/Content.aspx?id=4708 It also has additional information to slice through income/age/location.
Considering the median household income is $55,000, how can someone own a home let alone rent one, there was an article I read it takes ~100k income to afford RENTING an average house in LA. Again, use this information as a general rule.
I know what you mean. It appears unattainable for that income level from first view, but you'd be surprised if you get pretty intimate in how many of these household can actually afford a home in that income bracket. Let's forget regional difference for now and stick to both our home region, SoCal.
You know the daily exodus of cars on the 14 southbound every morning. Masses of folks coming down to LA from the fringes of Palmdale/Lancaster/Antelope Valley areas. You also know how many folks commute from the Inland Empire into downtown LA every morning. Blood red on Google map every time. Predicated on DTI (debt to income) ratio, many of these LI households earn home ownership via FHA loans. A modest 2-BR home say in Lancaster costing $200,000.00. 3.5% down payment means cash outlay required is $7,000.00. Amount of loan to finance is $193,000.00. At today's rate, just off the top of my head, +/- $1,000.00 (?), $12,000.00/yr + PT (of which, prior to tax reform), tax shelter brings back, again, rough, $3,000.00. So down and dirty: $55K gross - $38K net; less $15K M/PT $23K + $3K TR - $26K for all other expenses.
Now if they rent, in the same area and comparable rental unit (2-BD home) is on average renting for about $2k/mo. A 2-BR apartment in the same area is renting for about $1,350.00. As of 2017, no tax shelter.
All other things (expense) being more or less equal.
Based on this quick exercise, with a little perseverance, home ownership do in fact have an upside. We're not even equating appreciation into the mix.
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is, it's not only possible, but actually downright beneficial as long as the party involved is disciplined, patient, and more of a long term type as opposed to the contrary, impatient/impulsive type. The home appreciates, they sell it, amass relative greater cash for down payment for a bigger home, or one closer to city center, etc...Before you know it, they're making offers to buy Jone's and your home on Easy Street.
I know it's likely the same for many, our mortgage for our primary home is actually so much less than an average (in a decent neighborhood - much more if one is in MDR or SouthBay) 1 BR apartment. Almost 100% less compared to a 1 BR apartment in Sta. Monica these days.
~ I do not know how the new tax law impacts $55k households (homeowner v renter) when the new deductible/tax brackets are compared.
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Hello, guys,
It has been a while, but I missed you :)
I have been busy with work and figuring out where I am going to live with my kid in the next few months as I am moving out soon. Things are a bit complicated, probably will be seeking for a second job for weekends.
I recently 'drove' in a car from Britain to Sochi ( and back) - cheating by using the train to transport the car to and from Sochi ( from Moscow)
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22274.msg471448#msg471448 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22274.msg471448#msg471448)
I haven't finished writing up the return leg..( via Piter)
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.msg474461#msg474461 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.msg474461#msg474461)
Wow! that was quite a long journey and a very detailed description. Interesting to know so much stuff on travelling by car :) I didn't know there was a carriage for cars to take with you on a train. And seems that it requires some knowledge on documents which you have to carry with you. :)
I wonder what you job is about. And what is has to do with spending a lot of time in Sochi.
I was there for the first time in December and it mostly rained so I can't say I got much impression. Except for some funny issues I experienced within that trip but that is not something I would like to discuss in public.
As far as I understand your sim card provides you free roaming across EU without any extra service to be set up by your mobile operator?
Sad to know that the russian staff at Finland's customs gave you cold greetings. Hopefully it didn't spoil the impression of the whole trip. How long did it take in total for the whole trip? What about russian visa? What is the shortest period it is issued the first time you get it?
P.S you are a good writer :) accept my admiration :clapping:
I don’t think how a man reacts to your friends, family, etc. is at all relevant. Look at what is in his heart. That’s all that matters.
Pitbull is hardly a militant feminist. Western mentality is different than the mentality of the Slavic parts of the FSU, and the role of women in the family is different.
I suppose it is also important to see his interaction with his own family\friends. It can tell a lot. But that is not an easy thing to learn. Takes time
Can you provide more info on the role of women in the family, how it is different in FSU and Western countries?
It (my bolded) would be an interesting poll, Jone.
I, for one, feel that a harmonious relationship (for both partners) with immediate/ extended family and to a lessor degree friends/acquaintances is fundamental to a healthy, strong relationship between a couple.
There will always be one or two potholes in the road as one travels life but strife among family is a drain and might end up with one or both partners having to take a side. This can lead to conflict.
I believe that it should be considered a factor when choosing a mate, male or female.
Brass
I absolutely agree on that, from what I see I would also add that living apart from extended family is one of the key factors to help keep that relationship harmonious and maybe even save one's immediate family from being destroyed.
Yes, she can find them and even marry and move to the west.
However, the marriage is unlikely to be successful when it starts to sink in to the western guy the feelings, beliefs and interpretations she has about Russia's past and current actions on the world stage.
So she would be setting herself up for big heartache down the road.
And it won't be successful (over time) for her to try to hide her feelings and beliefs.
As I already mentioned I haven't been following the news for quite a long period of time, but whether one wants it or not - one's communication with other people helps also build his\her own attitude to what takes place. And after my recent biz trip to Moscow, after meeting some of our foreign colleagues from Europe, some of whom actually worked in Kiev, after meeting my extended family who live and work in Crimea I would stick to what I already said.
I just have my own point of view on the whole situation and that is it. There are no saints on the Earth but many devils, and by "devils" I mean not people themselves but what they fight for and what they are capable of doing when it comes to getting what they want.
So in case someone would like to discuss politics with me and convince me that RF is an aggressor I suppose it is in fact a wrong way to build any respective relationship. I am not keen on discussing such things at all. I would rather prefer other topics, so I am not going to be the initiator.
I hope that won't be an issue when choosing the love of my life :)
Use the following only as a general information, so please use with caution. As of 2016, there's an estimated 118 million household in the US. About 64% are 'homeowners, 36% renters. A US household typically consist of about 2.6 people.
Varies by location & service. We've been exploring cost for day care vs daytime nanny - pre-school - kindegarten, etc... Daytime (bonded) nanny will cost a couple roughly $4,500.00/MO +/- (anywhere from $18-$20.00/hr x however many hours/day you use one). Pre-school cost range is $8,500 - $10,000.00/year (nic $1,000.00 upfront cost); Kindergarten runs a gambit and will mostly depend on specific school and program. Rough estimate (high-end) $15,000.00/yr.
Rent cost, again very subjective. Marina del Rey, my old neighborhood, for example is hovering about $2,500-$3,000/mo for a studio. When I lived there before I got married - 10+ years ago, beach/waterside, one bedroom apartment (that usually mean, in Russian speak 3/4 rooms. You get separate bedroom, living room/dining room, kitchen), I was only paying $1,100.00/mo.
Yes. Health care cost in the US is pretty expensive. No argument. However, I believe the last estimate have 83% of insured are via employment. Depending on which health program you choose, determines your co-pay and deductible. For you and your child (considered family plan), you could be looking at about $800.00/mo premium.
Without knowing what your ultimate goal is, which degree, or what you plan on pursuing, etc..hard to put a number on that right now. I can tell you that with my wife, who's a CPA now, she had some credit she received from Russia when she first came here. But she still had to go through, IIRC, about 4 years of school (includes selective college level ESL classes). I would estimate it cost us (me) just a tick under $12K/year (cheaper than today's kindergarten schooling). Of course, she didn't have to worry about living expenses, automobile, rent, etc...
Others can chime in in here if they have different or additional helpful information.
Anyway, not sure if this helps any at all. Los Angeles is a pretty expensive city, but I reckon not as expensive as NY, SF, maybe not even Moscow or your town.
Good luck.
Thank you for the information. As far as I get it - an employer may take some 800 $ from your salary for your health insurance each month?
and the program may cover the expenses on your child as well, right?
Expensive or not obviously depends on monthly income and cost of living. Our average salaries are nothing compared to those overseas ) and tax system also varies. Lots of things to consider, our state kindergartens are around 14 euro a month as of today, some rare additional payment are for pencils, paper, paints, presents for kids and staff, and in case your child falls ill - you won't pay for the days he or she missed.
What about the most popular websites for employment in the US and in Europe?
What sources do you people use to monitor tickets for flights? Skyscanner? Momondo? What could u suggest for cheapest ways of travelling? I have a shengen visa open again and would like to take us to the sea to have some rest with my daughter, the only cheapest option for the summer is "You-Know-Where" ))) which I already have been to in 2016.
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What could u suggest for cheapest ways of travelling?
Walk ;D.
I have a shengen visa open again and would like to take us to the sea to have some rest with my daughter
More seriously, you might look into the Adriatic resorts/hotels on the Croatian and Albanian coasts, or on the Black Sea in Romania.
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Hello, guys,
It has been a while, but I missed you :)
I have been busy with work and figuring out where I am going to live with my kid in the next few months as I am moving out soon. Things are a bit complicated, probably will be seeking for a second job for weekends.
Welcome back Elena. Moving isn't fun and a lot of work. I hope you got a lot of friends to help you.
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. . . I would stick to what I already said. I just have my own point of view on the whole situation and that is it.
That pretty much says it all right there.
So in case someone would like to discuss politics with me and convince me that RF is an aggressor I suppose it is in fact a wrong way to build any respective relationship. I am not keen on discussing such things at all. I would rather prefer other topics, so I am not going to be the initiator.
I hope that won't be an issue when choosing the love of my life
Quite possible it will not be the issue at the time you and the man chose each other.
But later, as time passes and the honeymoon wears off, it will become a major divisive issue.
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Elena
My wife is Russian and used to think like you.
I installed RU TV and have never tried to influence her ... She simply meets more Ukrainian folk and those that can manage to stay calm and agree to disagree.
Sadly, under the current regime Russia is not trusted and I HATE that - as that stigma attaches to the people - not those trying to re-establish Moscow's 'influence' to Soviet times - physically interfering in ex-SSR's and denying what is bleeding obvious
Yes, the US and EU have enticed the likes of Georgia and Ukraine - but they haven't put armies on the ground or recognised 'states' like 'Abkhazia' ( do check - Kosovo is not recognised at the UN )
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Hello, guys,
It has been a while, but I missed you :)
Welcome back,
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ML,
You can't play nice with ANY Russian?
My wife is Russian and we don't have fights about politics.
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ML,
You can't play nice with ANY Russian?
My wife is Russian and we don't have fights about politics.
Same here... :welcome:
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ML,
You can't play nice with ANY Russian?
My wife is Russian and we don't have fights about politics.
That can be explained by one of two alternatives.
You know what the alternatives are.
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ML, please list your alternates - you may have a habit of seeing things in a very fixed way
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Wow! that was quite a long journey and a very detailed description. Interesting to know so much stuff on travelling by car :) I didn't know there was a carriage for cars to take with you on a train. And seems that it requires some knowledge on documents which you have to carry with you. :)
I wonder what you job is about. And what is has to do with spending a lot of time in Sochi.
I was there for the first time in December and it mostly rained so I can't say I got much impression. Except for some funny issues I experienced within that trip but that is not something I would like to discuss in public.
As far as I understand your sim card provides you free roaming across EU without any extra service to be set up by your mobile operator?
Sad to know that the russian staff at Finland's customs gave you cold greetings. Hopefully it didn't spoil the impression of the whole trip. How long did it take in total for the whole trip? What about russian visa? What is the shortest period it is issued the first time you get it?
P.S you are a good writer :) accept my admiration :clapping:
Thanks, Elena !
Can I answer your questions on the thread ?
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.msg478406#msg478406 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.msg478406#msg478406)
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Can you provide more info on the role of women in the family, how it is different in FSU and Western countries?
It varies from family to family. I spent many hours discussing this with my now
Russian wife before we got married and we decided on the path we would take
and we discussed everything from the discipline of children to what pet peaves
to what belongs in the refrigerator and what belongs in the pantry.
I advise everybody who will listen to do the same. We frequently get men who
come here to tell the story of how things fell apart with their FSU bride and I
am stupefied by the stories that they tell. I can't believe they didn't talk about
how they would deal with this problem before they got married.
Example: The guy is unhappy because his wife had a child from a previous
marriage and NOW they disagree on who and how this child should be disciplined.
They didn't think to discuss this before getting married??!!?!?
While I wouldn't spend too much time discussing it before meeting and making
sure that we had chemistry, I would discuss it for hours and in depth to make
sure we were on the same page before marriage.
Thank you for the information. As far as I get it - an employer may take some $800
from your salary for your health insurance each month? and the program may cover
the expenses on your child as well, right?
It varies a lot from employer to employer and yes it can even be more than
$800. It can also be $200 or nothing. Many companies have fixed policies so
you need to take it into consideration when you negotiate your salary, wages
commissions etc.
What about the most popular websites for employment in the US and in Europe?
Indeed.com is very popular, if I find a company that I want to work for I call the
sales manager or he tracks me down and calls me.
What sources do you people use to monitor tickets for flights? Skyscanner? Momondo?
I use kayak.com and they have links for several others. Remember to clean out your
cookies before each search or you will find that the price is higher every time you
check. I use Momondo for Russian flights
I use http://www.ccleaner.com/
You can read my story about how I found my wife here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0
You can skip pages 7-14 as they are all about a fight I had, you can
read pages 6 and 15 and know more than enough about it.
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Can you provide more info on the role of women in the family, how it is different in FSU and Western countries?
Women, at least the in Slavic parts of the FSU, run the home - the finances, the purchases, the cooking, the cleaning, and most importantly, the children. Their role is to run the family. Western women don't sew, they don't make jams, or pickles, or can fruits and vegetables. Many meals are eaten out, rather than at home -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/05/the-slow-death-of-the-home-cooked-meal/?utm_term=.e463f88343fe
http://globalnews.ca/news/3465075/canadians-eating-out-over-cooking-at-home/
Many couples maintain separate finances, and prenuptial agreements are common to deal with the division of assets on divorce.
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Western women don't sew, they don't make jams, or pickles, or can fruits and vegetables.
Why then does my wife borrow sewing machines and preserving jars from my mother and why, at our local Church, is there always a swap table of preserves?
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I meant WW who grew up in the 1970’s and beyond, which is still over forty years.
My mother grew up in the 1950’s. She sewed a lot of our clothes, baked bread weekly, etc. I don’t sew much, though I will hem things and sew on loose buttons.