The Struggle For Ukraine

[Chelseaboy]

Ukraine has already received the promised long-range rocket systems from the USA.


The systems supplied have a longer range than the MLRS the orcs have.


Ukraine has been supplied with four Batteries with more to follow.


It takes two to three weeks of training before the Ukrainian troops can start using them and they started training last week...so the orcs will start getting battered by them in one to two weeks time.


Here in the UK we're now gifting Ukraine  M270 MLRS it was announced today.


One could say the trap has now been set to obliterate Putler's military in Ukraine.


The Donbas and Crimea are not recognised as Russian land by NATO,so they are open to attack from Ukraine.


Now to spring and close the trap.


All his remaining orc forces within Ukraine are now in the east and Kherson/Crimea regions,so they can now be targeted by the MLRS the USA and UK  are supplying..on top of the long-range Howitzers the USA and France have already supplied...carnage will ensue 


Putler wanted genocide in Ukraine..he may well get his wish,but the genocide may well turn out to be of young Russian orcs.

[Chelseaboy]

I'm not sure if the courage shown by the Ukrainians is in their nature or whether they're drawing it from their leader.


President Zelensky " The fight is here.I need ammunition,not a ride " has just been at the frontline.....near Lysychansk,west of Severodonetsk.
That area of Luhansk has seen heavy fighting around the clock in recent weeks.


He was briefed on the situation and handed out awards to soldiers.


He also made a similar visit to Soledar in the Donetsk region.

[krimster2]

oh William, yur so FUNNY with yur jokes about Buyden!
congress approved weapons to ukraine...
when Trump was in office he stipulated that Ukraine COULDN'T use the weapons
and they could only be stored for future use
and of course Trump was impeached when he COMPLETELY BLOCKED all military aid to Ukraine for several months until Ukraine could fabricate some scandal with Buyden's son
and let's not forget SOMEONE removed from the 2016 Republican platform document, a provision for arming Ukraine against Russian aggression
and also let's NOT FORGET the Republicans who voted against the legislation to arm Ukraine
and Fox Media's support of Putin over Buyden

of COURSE you wanna attack Buyden, while CLAIMING you dislike Putin
but in actuality, you support EVERYTHING that Putin represents

[ML]

Putin's demands leads to death of another Russian General.

Putin ordered Russian General Roman Kutuzov to complete the task by the end of the day, no matter what.

"In this regard, Kutuzov ordered the commanders of the 1st and 100th separate motorized rifle brigades to personally lead troops to storm the Ukrainian positions, but they refused to comply with the order, as they understood the risk to their lives," Tsymbaliuk said.

"Realizing what consequences he will face in case of failure to fulfill the task set by Putin, General Kutuzov decided to personally lead the offensive and was killed by artillery fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine."
Kutuzov  died near the village of Mykolaivka in the Popasna district of Luhansk Oblast. This settlement is located not far from the Bakhmut-Lysychansk highway, which Russian troops are trying to take control of to cut off part of the Ukrainian military units near Severodonetsk.

"When a general appears on the battlefield, this is, first of all, a managerial problem," military observer Denys Popovych earlier told Radio NV.

"This also happens in civilian life: when a top leader begins to manage the lower levels of enterprises, this indicates that either his orders are not being carried out, or the people who have to transmit these orders vertically are out, i.e. they do not work. Or they are not listened to either. That is, the gap between the links, between the highest and the lowest. This explains the appearance of Russian generals at the front."
In previous actions, Kutuzov did not spare his personnel and deliberately sent people to slaughter with an understanding of what the losses would be.

"Thanks to his attitude towards military personnel as 'cannon fodder,' the morale and psychological state of the personnel of the formations subordinate to him was extremely low, the commanders of regiments and companies did not want to lead their people into the attack and constantly sabotaged the command's offensive plans."

Ukrainian military sources reported:  "Russian General Roman Kutuzov has been officially denazified and demilitarized."

[2tallbill]

when Trump was in office he stipulated that Ukraine COULDN'T use the weapons
and they could only be stored for future use

Prove it, surely you have some evidence for that statement

and of course Trump was impeached when he COMPLETELY BLOCKED all military aid to Ukraine for several months until Ukraine could fabricate some scandal with Buyden's son
and let's not forget SOMEONE removed from the 2016 Republican platform document, a provision for arming Ukraine against Russian aggression

Wooooo Boy, do you have things upside down and backwards. Crack head Boy Biden
received $70-80K per month from being on a Ukrainian Energy board. The Crack
head knew zero Russian, zero Ukrainian and had zero experience in the Energy
sector. It was payola pure and simple.

VP Joe held back a billion in aid until they fired the prosecutor who was investigating
his crack head son. I posted a Youtube video of Joe bragging about it here on this
very forum.

and also let's NOT FORGET the Republicans who voted against the legislation to arm Ukraine

80% of the Republicans voted for the arms package

of COURSE you wanna attack Buyden, while CLAIMING you dislike Putin
but in actuality, you support EVERYTHING that Putin represents

That is an outright lie.

[krimster2]

“Prove it, surely you have some evidence for that statement “

but of course,
http://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/12/ukraine-us-missile-weapons-russia-480985

http://samm.dsca.mil/loanote/javelin-physical-security-and-accountability-plan

http://media.defense.gov/2020/Sep/01/2002488973/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2020-121_REDACTEDV1.PDF



“Wooooo Boy, do you have things upside down and backwards. Crack head Boy Biden
received $70-80K per month from being on a Ukrainian Energy board. The Crack
head knew zero Russian, zero Ukrainian and had zero experience in the Energy
sector. It was payola pure and simple. “



this is a pretty normal practice of companies who are raising money in the stock market
that’s WHY he was brought into this gas business, to help them sell stock
Hunter Biden was a political celebrity with a lot of connections
Even Sean Hannity from Fox News asked Hunter Biden to use his connections to get his daughter into an elite school

if you’re gonna get mad at Hunter Biden for doing this, the ALSO get mad at every sports celebrity who makes a commercial
someone cashing in just by famous and well connected
you’d have to include Trump and his kids, plus half of Hollywood, etc

look how many of Trump’s team were arrested and charged with crimes
and for Biden, ZERO

meanwhile, this week, we start a public congressional hearing about Trump’s second impeachment, you know the one about him overthrowing the election results and make himself president

“80% of the Republicans voted for the arms package”

yeah, the far right of the Republican party, the ones closest to Trump voted against it
pretty much people you’d vote for with no hesitation
and of course with nearly no democratic resistance to the bill

“That is an outright lie. “

Putin, is white supremest religious autocrat
you want to give the church the right to control ALL people’s lives, even those NOT of your faith
so what’s the difference….

Tell me you’re NOT prejudiced against other races…

so what’s the difference Beel?
which leader’s sentiments are closer to your own?
Biden’s or Putin’s?

c'mon man!
I know the answer to that question and so do you

[2tallbill]

“Prove it, surely you have some evidence for that statement “

but of course,
http://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/12/ukraine-us-missile-weapons-russia-480985

http://samm.dsca.mil/loanote/javelin-physical-security-and-accountability-plan

http://media.defense.gov/2020/Sep/01/2002488973/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2020-121_REDACTEDV1.PDF

Quote from your first article

"Washington urges Kyiv to use the Javelins only for defensive purposes and
requires that the weapons be stored in a secure facility away from the conflict,
there are no geographic restrictions on the actual deployment of the missiles,
U.S. officials said, which means that Ukrainian forces can transport, distribute
and use them at any time."

Your second article requires that the Jav missiles be kept in a secure location
so they don't get stolen. Do you read your own links? I do.

Your third article is more of the same. None of your backup says that Ukrainians
can't deploy Javelin missiles anywhere in Ukraine. ALL the articles were about
keeping the missiles secure and to keep track of them. Ukrainians in the past
have been known to steal things and divert military good to others for money.

[2tallbill]

Putin, is white supremest religious autocrat
you want to give the church the right to control ALL people’s lives, even those NOT of your faith
so what’s the difference….

Tell me you’re NOT prejudiced against other races…

so what’s the difference Beel?
which leader’s sentiments are closer to your own?
Biden’s or Putin’s?

c'mon man!
I know the answer to that question and so do you

I am NOT prejudiced against other races.
I am closer to Biden sentiments than to Putin's. 
Biden is a F#ck up but Putin is far more so.
I do not want any church to control peoples lives.

All your accusations against me are pure fantasy.

[krimster2]

here ya go


http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11


are you pro-choice then?
or do you prefer the church to decide what abortion rights there are?

trust me TALL WHITE MAN, you ain't EVEN CLOSE to being a subject I fantasize about!!!

[2tallbill]

are you pro-choice then?
or do you prefer the church to decide what abortion rights there are?

A false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides
when there are many options or sides.

trust me TALL WHITE MAN, you ain't EVEN CLOSE to being a subject I fantasize about!!!

I am glad, but that doesn't make your accusations any more credible.

[Boethius]

Quote from your first article

"Washington urges Kyiv to use the Javelins only for defensive purposes and requires that the weapons be stored in a secure facility away from the conflict, there are no geographic restrictions on the actual deployment of the missiles, U.S. officials said, which means that Ukrainian forces can transport, distribute
and use them at any time."

Your second article requires that the Jav missiles be kept in a secure location so they don't get stolen. Do you read your own links? I do.

Your third article is more of the same. None of your backup says that Ukrainians can't deploy Javelin missiles anywhere in Ukraine. ALL the articles were about keeping the missiles secure and to keep track of them. Ukrainians in the past have been known to steal things and divert military good to others for money.

That's not exactly accurate.  Ukraine had to store the Javelins (delivered during the Trump administration) in Western Ukraine.  They were not to be used in Donbas, which is where the fighting was occurring.  They could only be used as a deterrent, which means, not at all.


Trump also froze a $400 million military package approved by Congress until Zelensky delivered dirt on Hunter Biden.  That was reversed thanks to a whistleblower.   

[Boethius]

Putin, is white supremest religious autocrat

I don't believe Putin is religious. 

[Jumper1]

Another Russian Lt .general, in command of the 49th army currently occupying kherson oblast ,was killed today.

[Jumper1]

I don't believe Putin is religious.

No,but he is sure to get Kirrils approval and blessing in everything.

How much do you thibk the ukrainian orthodoxy seperating from kirrils orbit in 2019 effected this?

[krimster2]

Nearly all politicians who USE religion, are themselves non-religious
Trump and Putin are both good examples
however, they will both invoke religious icons to manipulate the public
this is what I refer to

to be a politician with appeal to the lowest common denominator of uneducated, ignorant people
ya gotta be sellin’ them some of that “opiate of the masses”
these people are all primed to be believe in nonsense, because according to Marx, they NEED TO!
You should read the whole paragraph that contains that famous quote
It reads better in its original German, but even in Englisch the idea is quite clear

Putin and Trump take advantage of these people
and become the architect of their ruin
while pinning the blame on “enemies”

Beel,
any limit YOU would place on a woman’s reproductive freedom
with anyone OTHER THAN HERSELF making ALL the decisions
would be an infringement on her reproductive rights

your religious beliefs
promote and tolerate social inequalities resulting from the differences inherent in the class structures of the status quo 

hey you guys wanna see my Karl Marx Achievement medal?
yes, it's FREAKIN' REAL!!!

shown next to Soviet era 1 Ruble coin

[Chelseaboy]

There is a twitter account that goes by the name of Dmitri UA ( @mdmitri91 )


He's an Estonian living in London and specializes in translating phone calls from Russian soldiers intercepted by the GUR and SBU.


Within the last 24 hours he put up a phone call between a named Russian soldier ( Konstantin Solovyev who is currently in Kharkiv Oblast ) and his mother regarding the treatment of Ukrainian POW's and civilians by the FSB and Russian troops.


I'm not going into the gory details on here...suffice to say the treatment of prisoners by the Russians is abhorrent....and the mindset,character and morals of their families in Russia is no better.


This is one example among hundreds of such phone calls that have been intercepted.


If you want to read it for yourself just google Dmitri on twitter.


The Russian forces and FSB in Ukraine need to be exterminated...they are totally depraved and less than human.

[Chelseaboy]

Just been watching part 3 of the James Vasquez interview on Speak The Truth on youtube.


This is the USA volunteer fighter the orcs claimed to have killed twice in Ukraine....but they lied as they do ALL the time.


He's back in the USA now,but he's selling everything,including his home,and going back to Ukraine until the war ends and then he's going to help rebuild the country.


He was talking about a raid him and his team of 12  made in May in the Donetsk region.


The raid was,he later found out,on an elite Siberian platoon...who just ran and left all their equipment behind....the capture of which was all filmed and put out there.


The interviewer was rather perplexed that they'd just ran and asked why ?


The answer was "Well they're not there to meet guys like us..they're there to find and destroy civilian areas and kill civilians .The last thing they want to do is meet guys like us ".


Let that sink in...and hopefully you're as shocked as the interviewer was.


Putler , his Kremlin cronies,and his Russian state tv staff need putting down ...and not humanely.

[ML]

Another Russian Lt .general, in command of the 49th army currently occupying kherson oblast ,was killed today.

Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov, commander of the Russian Federation’s 29th Army, was killed in Ukraine this morning (June 6, 2022) near Severodonetsk, making him Russia’s highest-ranking general killed.

[Chelseaboy]

The Institute for the study of War says Kremlin's efforts to censor information about deceased troops exacerbates  domestic tensions .


Well in the spirit of full disclosure i can inform those Russians experiencing rising social tensions that as of today 31,500 Russian orcs have been killed in Ukraine.


I suspect the target aimed for is 100,000 by the end of the year.


No doubt the incoming long-range MLRS death-dealers Ukraine is now receiving,which outrange your systems, will increase the momentum of dead Russian orcs littering Ukraine's land.


Of course the way to stop it is to depose your deranged President and his Kremlin.

[Trenchcoat]

Looks like the Britons captured in Mariupol could be up for being executed by Russia:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/07/pro-russia-officials-open-trial-against-britons-captured-fighting-in-ukraine

Russia is claiming they are mercenaries and so not subject to rules for enemy nation troops. My guess is that Russia may execute them to try and dissuade foreigners from joining the fight with Ukraine. One of them is kind of Muslim decent my guess would be, he had a fiance in Ukraine the other had a wife. Think the one with the wife they may have interviewed him before the invasion.

Here Boris has survived a no confidence vote over the drinks at No.10. Though it looks like it may have just been used by closet Remainers like Jeremy Hunt to oust pro Brexit Boris. Zelensky seemed grateful Boris had survived the vote as his been a great ally to Ukraine and to be honest I would be doubtful if any other potential candidate in the Tory party would show anywhere near the support Boris had, possibly one or two might but much an unknown quantity.

[2tallbill]

I'm not sure if the courage shown by the Ukrainians is in their nature or whether they're drawing it from their leader.

If you check their history, Ukrainians are widely recognized for their bravery
in Battle.


Ukrainians Have Been Defying Foreign Invaders for a Thousand Years.
Their Courage Is No Surprise
http://fee.org/articles/ukrainians-have-been-defying-foreign-invaders-for-a-thousand-years-their-courage-is-no-surprise/

You can research the Crimean war and many others.

[Chelseaboy]

If you check their history, Ukrainians are widely recognized for their bravery
in Battle.


Ukrainians Have Been Defying Foreign Invaders for a Thousand Years.
Their Courage Is No Surprise
http://fee.org/articles/ukrainians-have-been-defying-foreign-invaders-for-a-thousand-years-their-courage-is-no-surprise/

You can research the Crimean war and many others.

Yes i know all that.


However, the Brits were brave right through our history too..i'm not convinced we would be if Russia invaded us now though.

[Chelseaboy]

Zagorsk Optical plant near Moscow is now on fire.


They make ( made ? ) various optics for the orc military.

[Chelseaboy]

Orcs filmed by locals now having to leave Melitopol to try and strengthen their Kherson frontlines where their situation is rapidly deteriorating under Ukrainian troops offensive and air strikes.

[2tallbill]

However, the Brits were brave right through our history too..i'm not convinced we would be if Russia invaded us now though.

You can't even get there from here (Russia). They would have to drive through
Ukraine (let me know how that goes) then Poland, Germany, France. My guess
is they probably lose the element of surprise. 

I imagine they would find at least 2 million Scots drawing lots to be first in
line when they came out of the Channel Tunnel (assuming it didn't spring a leak).



Little known fact: The last known Scotsman who went out of his way to avoid
a fight was Ewan Angus* in 1846.

*It was later learned he was only 10% Scot and he lived that
day forward with an asterisk by his name.