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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2275 on: June 25, 2022, 11:05:41 AM »
I am not.

There should be more abortions.

I guess I am considered a 'libtard' here at RWD. Personally, I am against abortion.  I do accept though that I, or anyone else for that matter, should not have any authority over this private aspect of other people's lives, ultimately even that of a spouse or other woman I impregnated.  The same goes for what consenting adults or even minors do together in their private sphere.  I also believe the terminally ill should be afforded the same dignity departing this life as I provide my ailing dogs or cats.

Human rights to freedom and happiness lie above the limited words written in our Constitution. 

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2276 on: June 25, 2022, 12:26:07 PM »

Krimster: why are conservatives ALWAYS against reproductive and sexual freedom?
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So much for trying to label people.

I am a conservative who is for abortion, and more of them.

BC is a liberal who is against abortion.

I agree with BC on the other matter that people should be able to end their own lives as they wish.  I am a member of Exit International and have my nitrogen tank and mask.   http://www.exitinternational.net/

We need to move this to another thread also.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2277 on: June 25, 2022, 02:41:04 PM »
Trench,

my wife delivered two baby girls in California!
California has the most liberal abortion laws
heres how THIS ACTUALLY AFFECTED ME!

During a pre-natal screening we opted to do a screen of the embryo for Spina Bifida
if a baby is born with this condition
it will never lift its head, feed itself, or say mama, ok?

My wife and I decided to take the test, and if it cam back positive, wed abort the pregnancy and try again

WE DECIDED TRENCH!!!
not some members of a church being influenced by politicians eager for their vote
not the government

WE DECIDED!!!
see the difference?

why are conservatives ALWAYS against reproductive and sexual freedom?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

you can't be forced to put on a mask during a severe pandemic
but you can be forced to have your rapist's baby

freedumb

Trench, I have a feeling that you ain't gonna have to worry about abortions, EVER!
OK?
just get yourself a pet of some kind

Well makes sense to not have the child if the child is not healthy of course, didn't know it stopped that as well. Wouldn't feel right myself having a child who couldn't live a decent full life as would feel kind of cruel doing that.

Well Sievierodonetsk has fallen, looks like the new flashpoint is the city just south of there, with a bit of luck Ukraine will be able to get the howitzers & mobile launchers there soon.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2278 on: June 25, 2022, 02:59:18 PM »
ML,

you should use Helium and not Nitrogen!
that way, you can make funny voices during this process, "hey boss, de plane"
are you keeping this in case Biden wins another term?

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« Reply #2279 on: June 25, 2022, 04:58:26 PM »
Well makes sense to not have the child if the child is not healthy of course, didn't know it stopped that as well. Wouldn't feel right myself having a child who couldn't live a decent full life as would feel kind of cruel doing that.

Well Sievierodonetsk has fallen, looks like the new flashpoint is the city just south of there, with a bit of luck Ukraine will be able to get the howitzers & mobile launchers there soon.
He unknowingly  made a great example of both pro.life and pro abortion.
Why?
becase spina bifida is so varied in type and degree that his conclusion of prognosis of infants with it  is way in.left field.
Yes it can be exactly as desciribed.
It can also be treatable.
It can also be so.mild people have it and do not know thay have it.

The fetal test showing a  positve requires more  in depth analyisis ,imaginh and tests by physicians.
Although i get krims point and agree with it in principle
(And i'm .a conservative)
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« Reply #2280 on: June 25, 2022, 05:14:33 PM »
Where have you been the last four months?

http://liveuamap.com

Russia's not stopping in Donbas.


Watching my family sit from.5 to. 30 klicks from.the friont line,and the only direction russian troops have gone is back.

They are in a far far more strategic and valuable location then russias two months of sheiiet show in severodonetsk.


I dint see one extra hectar of wheat planted in ukraine by russia  in the 22 growing season and there wont be.

If you have some evidence to.the contrary besides a map showing they are fightimg for control.of 14% more land than the dpr held since 08 let me know,o
Its not like they are farming it,and its certainly not a known they will hold it.

Although they have stolen grain,thats something they can show that would be ready* this year.


No they wont stop at donbas unless forved to.
Thanks for making such a good point.

Hows those new russdian  admins snd governors in occupied  melitopol.and kheesin doing?

One was killed a dsy after the possibility* he was a likely candidate was announced, thd other resigned yesterday after a few attacks in the area by partisans.

Good look holding that farm ground.

My opinion is they will  make some gains until.august,then be damned lucky to.hold what dnr had prior, by december





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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2281 on: June 25, 2022, 07:53:44 PM »
Surely, one side or the other will at least ATTEMPT to end the current stale-mate
by creating some kinda strategic shift in the near future, almost certainly after summer

if I were Ukraine, Id add a MUCH larger partisan effort to this war
and you dont need advanced weapons for that
I'd also use western money to offer bounties to partisan groups who kill Russian soldiers

how about recruiting a couple of thousand young female snipers (good lookin ones ONLY!!)
and issue them Mosin Nagant PU91/30 with Scope
did you ever see the movie Sevastpol?
 its on youtube if not
so imagine a couple of thousand of them, and their numbers wont come out of the forces you directly mobilize for front-line use
and pay them bounties for each soldier killed, with bonuses starting at 10 and up
and they are distributed the full length of the Russian front-lines

then Id have multiple IED factories turning captured Russian shells, bombs into IEDS
and there would be about 100 IED attacks per week, military barracks, logistics, etc
also with bounties

you'd be amazed at how MOTIVATED you can make Ukrainians this way!!!
this would be a threshing machine for chewing up Russians
with no big pieces of hardware
« Last Edit: June 25, 2022, 07:57:10 PM by krimster2 »

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2282 on: June 26, 2022, 01:35:06 AM »
A recent article on the state of the military situation out in Ukraine on the front line:

http://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-80-of-troops-killed-or-injured-in-elite-military-unit-says-commander-and-its-future-is-unclear-12639752

Heavy losses on both sides it appears with Russia taking the heaviest. Looks like both sides are moving new recruits to the front now. Like was said earlier is becoming a war of attrition. Although the heavy armaments may get depleted especially on the Russian side my guess is that both sides can keep at it like this for quite some time. The losses of men are heavy but both can likely call up many more men. Ukraine has conscripted all Ukrainian men aged 18-65 in the country while Russia has a huge country (at the moment) from which to pluck them from. My guess is that at the current rate of losses many Russian & Ukrainian families will end up without their men in future.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2283 on: June 26, 2022, 08:37:09 AM »
the West needs to get more aggressive with Russia
not just a little slap in the face
but a hard kick to the testicles followed by a punch to the chin

and you know what, you English speaking peoples
I know how to do that

here's how:

to kill a big-assed Texas rattlesnake, you don't cut-off its tail, you cut off its HEAD!
ponelle?
Google "putin offshore company" and look at the billions and billions and billions

we already got some of it!
but I say, GET IT ALL, EVERY FREAKIN KOPEC!!!
and put this money in a trust fund, (administed by anyone but Ukrainians)
and use it to pay Ukrainian partisans

the payroll of 100,000 male and female partisans, for a couple of years would be a tiny fraction of Putin's off-shore wealth
buy their weapons as well, no "heavy stuff" required
sniper rifles, unexploded artillery shells, batteries, etc
Russians would be cut to shreds in a year

OTOH, if Putin eascaltes
the most important things for him will be if the West  ALSO escalates, if they don't, then HE scores a small victory against the west

we'll see if the West decides to use the impending developing world wheat famine
to lay the ground work, for the US Navy, to bring anti-missile frigates to the black sea to protect Odesa from missile attack
as well as protect inbound and outbound wheat laden freighters with destroyer escorts

huge historical precedent for this from a century ago!!!
google "USS WHIPPLE" go to the entry for the one in the Black Sea in 1919!!!

it would be CRAZY if the US Navy had a ship with this name, and it led the fleet into the Black Sea in 2023 to save Odesa
CRAZY!


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Whose side is time on ???
« Reply #2284 on: June 26, 2022, 08:37:37 AM »
As time goes on, Ukraine will be favored because they are continuing to get more and better equipment from the West.  Russian soldiers and Russian public will become more and more inclined to rebel against Putin.  Ukrainian people will never give up because they are being invaded.

As time goes on, Russia will be favored because the West will become weary of spending so much money and resources on Ukraine when there are so many pressing fiscal problems in the home countries.  Russian people will never become weary no matter how many of their young men are killed; it's in their DNA to suffer and allow their young men to be killed.
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Re: Whose side is time on ???
« Reply #2285 on: June 26, 2022, 01:40:22 PM »
As time goes on, Ukraine will be favored because they are continuing to get more and better equipment from the West.  Russian soldiers and Russian public will become more and more inclined to rebel against Putin.  Ukrainian people will never give up because they are being invaded.

As time goes on, Russia will be favored because the West will become weary of spending so much money and resources on Ukraine when there are so many pressing fiscal problems in the home countries.  Russian people will never become weary no matter how many of their young men are killed; it's in their DNA to suffer and allow their young men to be killed.

An interesting recent article here on this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61938351.amp

Basically France & Germany are wavering already, sure I understand the economic pressures they are under moreso Germany which has been dependant on Russian Oil & Gas, but they have been using that cheap oil & gas in my opinion to get their economy in no.1 spot for many years now. I personally think it's only fair they have to give as a result of that now.

I do think that Boris is right on ensuring Russia don't win in Ukraine or they will just become a bigger beast. It sounds like propping up Ukraine though is costing a lot and the money and armaments are being burned through fast!

I personally think we need to come full out on sanctions now and Ukraine to hit Russia hard in the field to try to end this quickly, if it drags on a long time and Russia is able to keep in the fight then western economies might become over burdened to keep supplying Ukraine. So far though I'm guessing Russia's army must be getting pretty worn down now.

My favourite bit of the article:


The prime minister told CNN he thought Brexit had allowed the UK to better assist Ukraine in defending itself against Russia.

"I don't think that we would have been out in front as the first European country to arm the Ukrainians," he said. :D
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The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2286 on: June 26, 2022, 04:36:11 PM »

if I ever wanted euthanasia, i'd go outside, get mud on my shoes
and then walk all over my wife's wooden floors without taking off the shoes
I'd be a goner for sure


Hahahhaha!

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2287 on: June 26, 2022, 05:39:44 PM »
it wasn't SO FUNNY the one and only time I didn't take my shoes off before coming in the house when I was first married...
learned a lotta new Russian words that day, AND had to clean the floor...
AND had my sex ration greatly reduce for about a week
I DEFINITELY NEVER did that again!!

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2288 on: June 26, 2022, 11:54:37 PM »
After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2289 on: June 27, 2022, 12:59:23 PM »
Here's more of their war tactics - bombing a "legitimate" target shopping centre in Poltava, where there are no troops from either side -


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-invasion-day-124-1.6502606
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2291 on: June 27, 2022, 04:44:09 PM »
Another factor in the rubles value is sanctions. Importers dont need to convert rubles to other currencies, which inflates the rubles value.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2292 on: June 27, 2022, 05:58:46 PM »
Another factor in the rubles value is sanctions. Importers dont need to convert rubles to other currencies, which inflates the rubles value.

Also just fewer imports into Russia.

But anyway, discussions such as this are mostly useless because we are trying to analyze the weight of factors in a free market for rubles.

The market for rubles is manipulated by Russian government away from its free market equilibrium value.  There are many tools available to do this.  But often when countries try this, they soon run out of capability to do so.  It is uncertain in my mind what resources Russia has to maintain an artificial value.  Gold reserves comes to mind.
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BC, you are right and I was wrong
« Reply #2293 on: June 27, 2022, 08:16:14 PM »
I think you are vastly underestimating the challenges involved 2tall.

I talked to somebody who knows far more than I do along with many of
the challenges involved and you are right and I was wrong. I am humbled
by how wrong I was.

I apologize.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2294 on: June 27, 2022, 11:14:06 PM »
Hi 2tall,

when learning, apologies are unnecessary.  Thanks for digging in a bit deeper, and confirming my thoughts were somewhere in the ballpark.

I did see an article recently that additional HIMARS are on the way, and that training started in early June or even before.  Seems it takes around a month to train crews.

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/06/us-sending-more-himars-artillery-ukraine/368556/

http://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3049912/dr-colin-kahl-under-secretary-of-defense-for-policy-holds-a-press-briefing/

This does seem to show that a lot of deliberate and forward-thinking planning is going on that we may not be able to see at first glance.


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2295 on: June 28, 2022, 05:12:25 AM »
When the orcs are struggling they turn their anger on civilians..hence the  missile strike on a packed shopping mall in Kremenchuk yesterday.


It's their MO.


The reason the orcs are now struggling are the HIMARS...hence Putler's desperate dash to the Kremlin at 11pm on Saturday night.He knows he's in big trouble.


Everyday there are videos of HIMARS strikes on Ammunition depots way behind the orc front lines and the orcs can't cope with it...and they're the ones we know about,we won't know about the ones that weren't video'd and put out there by the locals.


The only place the HIMARS can't reach in Ukraine is Crimea,and the orcs will find it tough to re-supply from there with Ukrainian Artillery and HIMARS watching and waiting to hit their supply columns from there.


The latest strike was reportedly on a orc military base in Perevalsk in Luhansk region...with many orc casualties.


Many military analysts forecast that May and June would be tough for Ukraine.but that July and August would be tough for the orcs.


Some are forecasting a Kyiv -style fleeing in terror again from Ukraine for the orcs in September...hopefully they're correct...we shall see.


More HIMARS arriving in Ukraine shortly  >:D
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2296 on: June 28, 2022, 03:03:38 PM »
Big explosion at the orc airbase in Kursk just now.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #2297 on: June 28, 2022, 05:41:18 PM »
Turkey lifts veto on Finland, Sweden joining NATO, clearing path for expansion
http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-press-turkey-finland-sweden-hope-nato-breakthrough-2022-06-28/
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2298 on: June 30, 2022, 02:23:36 AM »
After being totally pummelled by Ukrainian Artillery last night the orcs have now abandoned and retreated from Snake Island.


Confirmed by both the Ukraine and orc Ministry of Defences.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2299 on: June 30, 2022, 02:33:54 AM »
144 Ukrainian POW returned to Ukraine yesterday, being swapped for the same number of orc's.


95 of them fought for Azovstal,including 43 from the Azov Battalion.
Just saying it like it is.

 

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