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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1075 on: January 04, 2015, 02:43:44 PM »
Quote from: Doll on January 04, 2015, 02:38:05 PM
This Sarah W probably knows more than we and SHE says that Poroshenko doesn't want any negotiations.She says so, not meI am sorry but  she is times higher than both of us. No offense.
She is a politician with her own agenda.  Her statements contradict not only facts (such as unilateral ceasefires declared by Ukraine), but those of other politicians, including Angela Merkel.  Given Merkel is Chancellor of Germany, would her words not carry more weight than those of an opposition politician?  Or, you can read Poroshenko's own words - 

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"I am ready to make a peace deal with anybody," he said. "I want to bring the peace to my country, not because we are weak, not because we are less patriotic than anybody. We are ready to defend my country because I hate the idea not to use the last opportunity to bring the peace to the region." - Poroshenko, CNN interview, June 28, 2014
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"There’s no military solution in Donbas," the Interfax-Ukraine news agency quoted Poroshenko as saying, referring to the war zone in the heavily industrialized basin along the Don River. "If someone wants to play that way, taking up weapons and fighting the Russian military machine -- the strongest on the continent -- we'll see how that ends." - Petro Poroshenko, Interfax, December 29, 2014
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1076 on: January 04, 2015, 02:48:59 PM »
 
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1077 on: January 04, 2015, 02:52:23 PM »
Not certain what the point of your last post was (seriously, not a dig).


As for Wagenknecht, she's a Marxist.  So, she is likely wrong on most everything.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1078 on: January 04, 2015, 02:55:41 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on January 04, 2015, 02:52:23 PM
Not certain what the point of your last post was (seriously, not a dig).


As for Wagenknecht, she's a Marxist.  So, she is likely wrong on most everything.
Just keeping to the thread PROPAGANDA WAR
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1079 on: January 04, 2015, 03:36:33 PM »
We got Boethius and MissA.  The other side has Doll and Belvis.  holy mismatch Batman!
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1080 on: January 04, 2015, 03:40:29 PM »
With that picture of the midget mongoloid next to the bear, are you suggesting Putin is into bestiality?
If so that's a new low even for him Doll.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1081 on: January 04, 2015, 03:43:03 PM »
Quote from: sleepycat on January 04, 2015, 03:40:29 PM
With that picture of the midget mongoloid next to the bear, are you suggesting Putin is into bestiality?
If so that's a new low even for him Doll.
I thought it was determined that it is NOT your picture there. :P
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1082 on: January 04, 2015, 04:03:02 PM »
Quote from: Doll on January 04, 2015, 02:38:05 PM
This Sarah W probably knows more than we and SHE says that Poroshenko doesn't want any negotiations.
She says so, not me
I am sorry but she is times higher than both of us. No offense.

Not really.  But it is evidence of a Russian persons willingness to follow a "higher authority".
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1083 on: January 04, 2015, 04:36:46 PM »
Quote from: AC on January 04, 2015, 04:03:02 PM
Not really.  But it is evidence of a Russian persons willingness to follow a "higher authority".
What?
I just posted two video from Bundestag.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1084 on: January 05, 2015, 08:44:58 AM »



Quote from: Doll on January 04, 2015, 03:04:15 PM
youtube is the evidence? Again?  :D
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1085 on: January 05, 2015, 08:45:23 AM »
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1086 on: January 05, 2015, 08:46:00 AM »
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1087 on: January 05, 2015, 08:47:04 AM »



Quote from: Doll on January 04, 2015, 03:04:15 PM
youtube is the evidence? Again?  :D
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1088 on: January 05, 2015, 08:48:02 AM »



Quote from: Doll on January 04, 2015, 03:04:15 PM
youtube is the evidence? Again?  :D
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1089 on: January 05, 2015, 08:50:03 AM »
Quote from: Doll on January 04, 2015, 02:27:26 PM
I don't remember when  heard it, so no "not from a Russian newspaper" links.
Actually I heard it on CNN but can't provide a link.


Link or it never happened.  ;)
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1090 on: January 05, 2015, 09:02:55 AM »
Quote from: Muzh on January 05, 2015, 08:50:03 AM

Link or it never happened.  ;)
Petro Poroshenko  I am not afraid of a war with Russian troops, ... We are prepared for a scenario of total war - CHANNEL NEWS ASIA, 16-Nov-14

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1091 on: January 05, 2015, 09:05:35 AM »
Which is not what Doll stated Poroshenko allegedly said.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1092 on: January 05, 2015, 09:14:25 AM »
Quote from: Shadow on January 05, 2015, 09:02:55 AM
Petro Poroshenko  I am not afraid of a war with Russian troops, ... We are prepared for a scenario of total war - CHANNEL NEWS ASIA, 16-Nov-14



Let's take the whole quotes, so they are in context -

We will attack. We will free our land  . . . The unique chance to put the peace plan into practice was not realised," Mr Poroshenko said. . . "This happened because of the criminal actions of the fighters," he added.

"I am not afraid of a war with Russian troops," (Poroshenko) said.  'We are prepared for a scenario of total war. . . We don't want war, we want peace and we are fighting for European values."

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1093 on: January 05, 2015, 09:16:22 AM »
Quote from: Boethius on January 05, 2015, 09:14:25 AM

Let's take the whole quotes, so they are in context -

We will attack. We will free our land  . . . The unique chance to put the peace plan into practice was not realised," Mr Poroshenko said. . . "This happened because of the criminal actions of the fighters," he added.

"I am not afraid of a war with Russian troops," (Poroshenko) said.  'We are prepared for a scenario of total war. . . We don't want war, we want peace and we are fighting for European values."
Only a fool would blame himself for war.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1094 on: January 05, 2015, 09:25:56 AM »
So what was Ukraine supposed to do?   At the time, Russia had not sent troops to the region.  Should he have allowed millions who do not support the separatists to have to live under their rule, where extra judicial justice is the norm, and women are told they should not be seen in restaurants?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1095 on: January 05, 2015, 09:32:11 AM »
Quote from: Boethius on January 05, 2015, 09:25:56 AM
So what was Ukraine supposed to do?   At the time, Russia had not sent troops to the region.  Should he have allowed millions who do not support the separatists to have to live under their rule, where extra judicial justice is the norm, and women are told they should not be seen in restaurants?
Wait a minute... did you not say this was never a civil war but from the beginning an uprising by Russia that was holding people hostage?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1096 on: January 05, 2015, 09:34:18 AM »
Boethius, Ukraine was supposed to trade the Crimea for Donbass.  That way everyone wins.

And yes that was sarcasm.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1097 on: January 05, 2015, 09:37:01 AM »
Quote from: Shadow on January 05, 2015, 09:32:11 AM
Wait a minute... did you not say this was never a civil war but from the beginning an uprising by Russia that was holding people hostage?


I don't think it is a civil war. 
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1098 on: January 05, 2015, 09:39:24 AM »
Quote from: Pkeel1 on January 05, 2015, 09:34:18 AM
Boethius, Ukraine was supposed to trade the Crimea for Donbass.  That way everyone wins.

And yes that was sarcasm.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1099 on: January 05, 2015, 09:47:06 AM »
Quote from: Boethius on January 05, 2015, 09:37:01 AM

I don't think it is a civil war.
Then explain the above statement.
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