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« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2006, 03:32:53 PM »
Well it is too bad she doesn't do oral but at least Albert can get all the golden rain he wants and I am sure we all wish him a lot of it.

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« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2006, 07:35:53 PM »

Albert, it's going to break many men's hearts taking her off of the market.  As the saying goes, when life hands you lemons then you make lemonade, and we hope that she will make plenty for you.  Don't despair about the oral, she may learn that by the time she gets her visa. 

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« Reply #77 on: April 18, 2006, 12:14:06 PM »
Sandro43, got some bad news for you. PatrickH with Hot Russian Brides says this site was created by a man who tried to use his services and failed. That 95% of the ladies listed on these prostitution sites are completely bogus. You leech the images from other sites, something you can be sued for, and totally fails to list the URLs of the prostitution sites where the women can be found. Patrick says you have no evidence whatsoever that the girls you listed are in fact prostitutes. Lady 168328 is not, nor has she ever been a prostitute, she's not too happy at the allegations being thrown her way. Many of the ladies your accusing of prostitution are preparing to take some form of legal action against you if you do not remove their profiles from your site.
 
Hot Russian Brides member 103389 is from one of their best agencies and they (Hot Russian Brides) should make it clear that were not going to defame a lady simply because someone claims that she's on a prostitution site without actually providing the information.
 

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« Reply #78 on: April 18, 2006, 12:15:43 PM »
PS. Maybe I an get those dates back afterall :D

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« Reply #79 on: April 18, 2006, 04:00:40 PM »
Well I just read this entire thread... and all I can say is wow...

I'm a relative new comer to this scene... and I'm still very young in age.

I've been backstabbed and heart broken by American women.. and have only heard great things about FSU women...  so I'm trying my luck there.  I have a few leads... but this site does blow me away. 

 

 

I can honestly say that I have been contacted by 2 of those ladies... seeing those photos seriously makes me wonder why the hell I gambling on this..

 

I think for what its worth, the site is a great tool.. and deffo something that noobies should see.  thanks for making the site.
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« Reply #80 on: April 18, 2006, 04:03:58 PM »
FYI, here's a copy of an email I sent to the site admin.

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dude your site is awesome!!!  I was contacted by number 17 and 32 before...  you have saved me a hell of a lot of time, money and heartache. Thanks!  keep up the good work! :)

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« Reply #81 on: April 18, 2006, 04:12:07 PM »
HRB,

Look at:
http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doppiogioco-eng.htm
for the web page that the women is listed, including the women's ID number.

Look at:
http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doppiogioco-eng.htm
for the URL of each web page.

For example, Case 6
From the first web page he lists this info:
Name: Natasha


Age: 26
Site: SPB Girls
Date: 06/04
ID: 1018


From the second web page he lists this info:
No: 135
Name: SPB Girls
Meaning: N/A
Address (URL):
http://www.spbgirls.ru/
Profiles: 10
Check profile 1018 on SPB Girls: http://www.spbgirls.ru/individ/view1018.html
« Last Edit: April 18, 2006, 06:52:00 PM by dfb »

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« Reply #82 on: April 18, 2006, 04:21:28 PM »
dfb, I believe you, it's PatrickH from Hot Russian Brides who says that 95% of what Sandro43 has reported is false. 

 
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« Reply #83 on: April 18, 2006, 04:23:37 PM »
I think JB makes a very valid point in that not all of these women are scammers.  I think that goes without saying, of course.  We deffo can not and should not discount his expertise in this field. 

I think both the original poster and those who subscribe to JB's point of view have valid points.  Now if we can just wade through the fire here...  I would be interested in hearing more about the warning signs that a gal could be a potential double dealer, and what resources are available to verify this.

You guys almost had it, in saying that the age range for a young hottie goes from 20-60... a few pages ago.  Can we go back in that direction?

 

I'm a total noob here.. and I will hold all of you personally responsible for my success or failure on this quest!! :cool:

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« Reply #84 on: April 18, 2006, 04:23:52 PM »
Sorry,

  I didn't pickup on that on the first read through.

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« Reply #85 on: April 19, 2006, 04:37:04 AM »
Slings etc.,

Unfortunately I'm pressed for time now, when I return I will post a summary of those things which I would consider red flags.

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« Reply #86 on: April 19, 2006, 05:27:38 AM »
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Sandro43, got some bad news for you. PatrickH with Hot Russian Brides says this site was created by a man who tried to use his services and failed. That 95% of the ladies listed on these prostitution sites are completely bogus. You leech the images from other sites, something you can be sued for, and totally fails to list the URLs of the prostitution sites where the women can be found. Patrick says you haveno evidence whatsoever that the girls you listed are in fact prostitutes. Lady 168328 is not, nor has she ever been a prostitute, she's not too happy at the allegations being thrown her way. Many of the ladies your accusing of prostitution are preparing to take some form of legal action against you if you do not remove their profiles from your site.

Hot Russian Brides member 103389 is from one of their best agencies and they (Hot Russian Brides) should make it clear that were not going to defame a lady simply because someone claims that she's on a prostitution site without actually providing the information.


Jack, which site are you referring to ? 1000 Bad Russian Girls ? If it  "was created by a man who tried to use his services and failed", this man must have REALLY been angry with PatrickH, considering he created and maintains a site with 5,000+ profiles :-)

As for his more detailed assertions :

HRB Lady 168328's profile can still be observed TODAY at :
http://www.1000badrussiangirls.com/brgProfileCard.asp?ref=srch&ion=5719&subSearchID=Search+Now
(with a comment saying : "Conventional and anal sex, strip show, relaxing massage")
so any legal action should be directed there, I am merely quoting what is available to all and sundry.

In addition to profiles on Sex World, SPB Girls, Crossroads, 1000 Russian Women Escorts
and Petersburg Escort, HRB Lady 103389 has her own, personal page at:
http://www.margarita2004.fromru.com/
so again any defamation originates from those 5 sites (and her own page, apparently :-) . The information is there, for all who want to see it.

"95% of the ladies listed on these prostitution sites are completely bogus" : repeating a comment I made in an earlier post, why would  pro site owners list financially-unrewarding profiles, and possibly risk legal actions ?

As for the URLs of those professional sites, I am not concealing my sources of information, they are just 2 clicks away : from my quoted page click the "Russ.Dates" button at left, then the "Professionals" button on the resulting new page : this will lead you to the page listing all pro sites and their URLs.  As DFB suggested, manipulating the URL in your address bar to include the profile ID#, will in most cases lead you to the individual profile. I simply did not want to repeat the same, cumbersome information on two different pages : I could have included direct links on my page as well, but that would have involved too much work.
 
P.S.: Incidentally, after re-checking the above URLs, I got a bad cookie and no less than 6 Trojan infections in the registry of my PC, so beware and have Spyware Doctor ready ! :-(
« Last Edit: April 19, 2006, 06:03:00 AM by SANDRO43 »
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« Reply #87 on: April 19, 2006, 07:22:12 AM »

Sandro43,

I think there needs to be some clarification here.  You are the one created a profile on HRB/RLM and then attempted to give the ladies your personal email address.  I wrote you an email regarding this issue and you've yet to respond.  Needless to say, we've removed your profile completely.  If you are in fact NOT Mr. Floriani, then I apologize in advance.

In that email I also let you know that http://www.margarita2004.fromru.com/
is not a site dedicated to 103389 but instead houses several ladies, a fact that seems to be lost on you.  Your webpage is nothing but your opinion, it's not based on reality, fact, or truth.  All you've done is troll legitimate dating sites, then looked for the images on prostitution sites.  None of the ladies have EVER approached you for sex, sent you emails asking for sex, or even hinted at the fact that they were "pro's".

All of the ladies you listed on our sites as being prostitutes are in fact totally legitimate women who have never been, nor will they ever be prostitutes.  Is it so crazy that their images were stolen from several legitimate sites and posted as a prostitution site?  No, of course not.  I guess that in this type of world ALL Russian women are guilty until proven innocent. Or even if they are proven innocent, there must be a scammer lurking somewhere under that pretty visage.  The double-standard here is staggering; in theory you want these women to eventually come to a nation of Democracy, yet you refuse to give them the courtesy of most people's basic rights. 

Someone wrote to me, "We find it hard to believe that anyone would post a fake profile for prostitute since they make their money by their looks." Which is in effect wrong. Prostitutes make their money by (surprise) selling sex. If the girl who shows up at the hotel doesn't look like the picture, most men will still accept her services so long as she doesn't have a beard or Adams apple.  There are normally only two reasons that men pay for sex.  #1) They are incapable of "playing the game" and meeting women through conventional means.  #2) They're just too lazy to try and actually court a woman.  What the pimps are betting on is the fact that these men are so desperate that they're not going to question the fact that the woman they ordered isn't the one on the site. 

The bottom line here is that your site automatically brands several of our ladies as prostitutes without any evidence outside of their images appearing on a poorly made hooker sites.  It's also interesting to note that 168328 is also listed in a "personals" paper in your own country.  So you mean to tell me she flies all the way over to Italy just to meet up with a "John"?  As I said in my post on the on the other forum, her brother-in-law is a pretty reputable businessman in Italy and neither one of them are too happy that her images are appearing all over the internet in this fashion.  It doesn't help things when you created a site that has no basis on fact, leeches copyrighted images from other sites, then draw these amazing conclusions that they MUST all be prostitutes because "look right there, her picture is on a hooker site!"

As I stated in a previous posting on the other forum, I have a good friend from school who is a professional model and has appeared in magazines such as FM and Maxim.  Three years ago some of her images were stolen by TRUE dating service, as well as several other less reputable firms on the net. What recourse does she have? None at all. All it takes is a right click on an image, copying the URL, and using a little HTML experience to paste it onto a page.  But no, according to this logic she must be a hooker/porn star/lesbian looking for a mate.....because the internet never lies, right?

It should also be noted that many of these ladies and their agencies are in the process of taking legal action against several of the prostitution sites for defamation of character and various other charges.  They are also toying with the idea of contacting Interpol regarding these activities.  I'm not sure how far that will get them but I wish them the best of luck.  Just because a girl takes racy photos, it by no means proves that she's a prostitute. 

And Jack, it's going to be a great day when you finally get over the fact that our site's name is HOT Russian Brides.   

Thanks for giving me the chance to clean the air on this particular subject.

 

« Last Edit: April 19, 2006, 12:04:00 PM by Patrick H »

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« Reply #88 on: April 19, 2006, 07:54:14 AM »
Patrick ~ you are, as ever, an interesting read...

Excuse my confusion. Just how does the fact that a particular site advertises the services of several prostitutes rather than jsut one mean that a featured woman who is also featured on your site is not a hooker? I confess that leap of logic escaped me.

Just how do you KNOW that any of your female clients are not on the game? I recognise the difficulty of proving a negative, but it is you making the claim, not I or, indeed, Sandros.

I assume that your knowledge of Russia, the language and its people is at least as complete as it was a few months ago when you were happy to tell us that none of your prominent business contacts in Moscow had ever heard of leasing (and other bright gems!) and so I can understand that you would not know that many of the prostitution sites have ratings and feedback on the women featured. Whilst it is true that, as ever, in prostitution and the MOB businesses, common in so many ways, bait & switch is not unheard of; the escort sites often offer better means of controlling this issue than most MOB sites.  For example see this page: http://dosug.nu/girl.htm?idgirl=116 I don't think this is one of your girls.

отзывы - 4 (responses) Clients give their opinions onthe girl, her appearance, whether the pics are genuine or a good match.
выскажи мнение (express opinion) A forum for users of the site.

If only clients at MOB agencies were as well favoured as the clients of this online hooker catalogue!

Given that it is not entirely normal for MOB sites to publish nude and 'provocative' pictures of their clients, professionally posed and lit, one might legitimately infer that where the same set of pics turns up in two places, that the escort pics are more likely to represent the original set and purpose. It makes perfect sense for the MOB agency to repurpose the content, but non at all for them to initiate the pics.

Earlier in this thread (or some other - I forget) I made a comment that many women in MOB sites were, or had been involved in commercial sex. I suggest that Sandros has demonstrated that this is entirely likely, albeit that his methodology is likely to considerably underestimate the total figure and that one might legitimately question his motives.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I am more likely to believe that it is a duck than an an ocean going liner!

Frankly though this is all rather unimportant. You cannot demonstrate in any sensible measure that you do not have hookers, or ex-hookers on your sites and really it does not matter. Most of your clients will never meet each other - your systems ensure it. And, in the end relationships are about people. Not their past profession or hobby. We all have things that we do not tell others, this might well be one of the things about which your female clients might choose to remain shctum!

 
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« Reply #89 on: April 19, 2006, 08:27:06 AM »

andrewfin,

Thanks for your reply.  I know that the girls mentioned on our site are not hookers because unlike a lot of people, I choose to believe them first instead of prosecuting them.  This doesn't mean that I'm not skeptical but all one has to do is look at the sheer amount of fraudulent sites out there hosting stolen images to get an idea of how this underground business works.  They post a Ferrari to someone who probably is gullible enough to believe it, then deliver a Yugo. 

It also doesn't hurt that the profiles listed on this "other" site have the personal information completely incorrect, some of the faces are blocked out, and the pictures of our girls are not totally nude.  The mere fact they're in the process of preparing large lawsuits against the prostitution sites more than implies that they're confident that they have a case and are willing to follow through.  I know that 168328 is already talking to lawyers to have these images removed completely. 

To reiterate, there's more evidence to point to the contrary than there is to confirm that they're guilty.  But as I said previously, hearsay appears to be enough these days.

You say, "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I am more likely to believe that it is a duck than an an ocean going liner!"  I'm sorry, how does it "walk like a duck" in this case?  Is it because two of them are in bikinis?  I've gone through every single one of their correspondences and not once have they ever implied that they partook in anything close to that kind of lifestyle.  The only link Mr. Floriani has between the two industries are the pictures, nothing else.

You also write:

"Most of your clients will never meet each other - your systems ensure it. "

Please explain that to the 150 men who just signed up to travel.  I'm sure they'll be surprised.

"I assume that your knowledge of Russia, the language and its people is at least as complete as it was a few months ago when you were happy to tell us that none of your prominent business contacts in Moscow had ever heard of leasing (and other bright gems!) and so I can understand that you would not know that many of the prostitution sites have ratings and feedback on the women featured."

Sorry, that wasn't me so I'm not sure what you're referencing there.  As far as the "feedback" goes, show me the guy who is willing to write "Hi, I'm John Doe and I had an absolutely wonderful time with <insert name>!" and I'll show you a site owner who has a great sense of humor and excellent typing skills.

All that I'm saying is that the ladies listed on Mr. Floriani's site and our own have shown enough proof to us that they're not prostitutes, hookers, or scammers (a word that is so misused that it's lost almost all of it's original meaning).  The last thing we want is to have that kind of stigma attached to any of our ladies, so I can assure you that we've gone over every possible detail to make sure that they're on the up and up.

It just amazes me that someone can look at one of these so-called hooker catalogues with their glossy glamour shots and think, "Yep, that's got to be legit.  That's the girl who will come to see me.  Oh but those awful MOB agencies, they're totally fake."

Thanks again for giving me the chance to respond. 



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« Reply #90 on: April 19, 2006, 08:30:12 AM »
The owner of 1000badrussiangirls... 

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As far as the margarita site, it is dedicated to only one woman. But this is a networked site with crosslinks to many others. It is a subsite of Fromru.com, which is maintained the the Russian Post Office.

Both sites should be easy to close if it can be proven that they put false pictures.
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« Reply #91 on: April 19, 2006, 08:34:53 AM »
Shadow,

Again, I wish the ladies the best of luck with the legal proceedings.  From experience I know that internet copyright law is very sticky and sometimes hard to enforce.  There is a girl on our site who was listed erroneously on a well-known blacklist site for about a year now.  Her accuser was later jailed in Italy for other crimes, her case debunked, but the owners of the site refused to remove the report. 

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« Reply #92 on: April 19, 2006, 08:35:11 AM »
[user=1049]Patrick H[/user] wrote:
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All of the ladies you listed on our sites as being prostitutes are in fact totally legitimate women who have never been, nor will they ever be prostitutes.  Is it so crazy that their images were stolen from several legitimate sites and posted as a prostitution site?  No, of course not.

Yes, of course :P

Patrick, how do you explain that on legitimate site ( marriage agency ), the women have only soft picture... and that on the prostitution site, you find not only the soft picture but the erotic/porno one... How prostitution site can have copy picture from legitimate site who don't exist on legitimate site...

The logic way to think is that marriage agency have copy the more soft picture from the prostitution one...

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« Reply #93 on: April 19, 2006, 08:44:00 AM »


Bruno,

The ladies that are listed from our sites have no nude photos up.  The only exception is one lady who is showing a little skin at the top, and she's since been removed.  But by this logic, any girl who has a risqué photograph taken absolutely MUST be a prostitute.  It's also important to note that other MOB sites will show all of her pictures, both soft and otherwise, which can then be picked up at random by the prostitution sites.  I specifically remember one lady in the past who had professional nude photos taken for the European equivalent of Playboy.  Those exact pictures (copyright stamped and all) later appeared on a prostitution site that has since been closed down and disbanded.

Again, I'm not speaking for the other sites he has listed, just ours.  We've done our homework on this one and we're fully confident with our position.

Also, we have far more pictures of the ladies than what they post on their profiles.  We simply reserve the right to decide what we want to be displayed based on image size, content, and quality.  We don't, however, have any nude photographs anywhere in our database.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that a girl has some wild nude photos taken five years ago, or even one year ago.  Does that mean that she's automatically prohibited from trying to find someone?

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« Reply #94 on: April 19, 2006, 08:48:45 AM »
So you agree that the pictures of the ladies on your site were not stolen and put on prostitution site, as these pictures are not to be found on your site.

Then how did these sites get those pictures ?
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« Reply #95 on: April 19, 2006, 08:53:14 AM »
Shadow,

Nice try.  No, what I'm saying is that there's the possibility that a woman took racy photos at one time, had them on another site, and then had them leeched onto a prostitution site.  The ladies provide the pictures for us, we decide what goes up.  If they have "other" photographs, that's not our business.  Almost every single photo of our girls listed on Sandro's site are actually on ours as well. 

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« Reply #96 on: April 19, 2006, 09:17:55 AM »
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"You are the one created a profile on HRB/RLM and then attempted to give the ladies your personal email address.  I wrote you an email regarding this issue and you've yet to respond.  Needless to say, we've removed your profile completely.  If you are in fact NOT Mr. Floriani, then I apologize in advance."

Yes, I did create a profile in order to view the profiles reported by Christopher,
and tried to pass my email address to one of the dubious cases, in order to see what sort of reaction I would elicit. No problem about no longer having a profile with you.

"In that email I also let you know that http://www.103389.fromru.com/
is not a site dedicated to 103389 but instead houses several ladies, a fact that seems to be lost on you." It is not lost on me that 103389 has a specific page (margarita2004)
on "fromru.com" (belonging to Pochta Ru) where one can presumably build his/her own page as on Yahoo. A malicious act by someone hating 103389 ?

"None of the ladies have EVER approached you for sex, sent you emails asking for sex, or even hinted at the fact that they were "pro's". No, but that is not how a pro usually works : she posts her profile and waits for contacts, she does not initiate them.

"It's also interesting to note that 168328 is also listed in a "personals" paper in your own country. So you mean to tell me she flies all the way over to Italy just to meet up with a "John"?". Yes, this is interesting and also applies to another case on my list (GERTA/ELYA-LISA-NATASCIA). I emailed both of them at Italian ADULT Friend Finder, but received no answer. I cannot tell for sure what this means (investigating possible new markets ? stolen photos ?), but this fact by itself does not disprove her profile on all the other pro sites. She has another Italian-based dating profile as "Morbidosa 38" on Meetic. Maybe you should ask her Italian brother-in-law what she is up to.  

As for your "good friend from school who is a professional model and has appeared in magazines such as FM and Maxim. Three years ago some of her images were stolen by TRUE dating service, as well as several other less reputable firms on the net. What recourse does she have?", let me tell you what happened last February : the profile of
ALINA-IRINA-MASHENKA-NATALIA-NATASHA/SVETA also indicated a couple of family names. Last February I was contacted by a girl with the same name who explained that her profile had been placed on Bride Ru by someone else. She subsequently sent me her photos, including that of her passport page. I was not TOTALLY convinced but, since the matter was doubtful, I removed the reference to her family name.  
 
"many of these ladies and their agencies are in the process of taking legal action against several of the prostitution sites for defamation of character and various other charges. They are also toying with the idea of contacting Interpol regarding these activities.  I'm not sure how far that will get them but I wish them the best of luck."
I am glad to hear this and I wish them the best of luck, too. Please keep me informed, I shall be more than happy to remove any reference to proven defamed ladies from my page.
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« Reply #97 on: April 19, 2006, 09:54:15 AM »
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Shadow,

Nice try.  No, what I'm saying is that there's the possibility that a woman took racy photos at one time, had them on another site, and then had them leeched onto a prostitution site.  The ladies provide the pictures for us, we decide what goes up.  If they have "other" photographs, that's not our business.  Almost every single photo of our girls listed on Sandro's site are actually on ours as well. 


 

Now I am really getting confused. So these top ladies of yours, who will attract so many men that they should be married soon, would have been on another site before that allows them to show more racy pictures without success. If they belong to the top of your site, I would expect them to be off the market soon enough and not had to change sites.

 
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« Reply #98 on: April 19, 2006, 10:42:55 AM »


Shadow,

You write: 

"Now I am really getting confused. So these top ladies of yours, who will attract so many men that they should be married soon, would have been on another site before that allows them to show more racy pictures without success. If they belong to the top of your site, I would expect them to be off the market soon enough and not had to change sites."

Where are you getting that they were on the "top of our site"?  You're also making a lot of strange assumptions here that have me a bit confused.  When did I ever make those statements that they "attract so many men that they should be married soon"?  Please don't put words into my mouth.

Look, I'm well aware of the distain on this board for our company and that's fine.  But please, let's stick to the topic at hand.  The topic of course being that these few ladies were listed on someone's personal hobby prostitution/scammer site and are in fact innocent of that charge.  All of this other stuff seems to be nothing more than the normal flak that I've read over and over. 

Just for the sake of brevity let me reiterate my point; our ladies listed on Sandro's site are not prostitutes. 

Sandro,

While I appreciate your candor wouldn't it be a nice idea to put at the top of your site, "These are just observations that I've made and by no means factual."  I've seen plenty of anti-scam sites use that disclaimer and therefore save themselves the embarrassment of being totally wrong.  You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that these girls are prostitutes, yet you've tried them before they even make a case.  You're making ASSUMPTIONS based on poorly designed and less-than reputable prostitution sites that have absolutely no credibility.  It even states clearly on your site that all the ladies have done is contacted you on MOB sites with form letters, with no mention of you ever checking the prostitution sites to see if they can confirm that they're even the same person.

 
« Last Edit: April 19, 2006, 10:53:00 AM by Patrick H »

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« Reply #99 on: April 19, 2006, 10:59:29 AM »
[user=1049]Patrick H[/user] wrote:
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While I appreciate your candor wouldn't it be a nice idea to put at the top of your site, "These are just observations that I've made and by no means factual." I've seen plenty of anti-scam sites use that disclaimer and therefore save themselves the embarrassment of being totally wrong. You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that these girls are prostitutes, yet you've tried them before they even make a case. You're making ASSUMPTIONS based on poorly designed and less-than reputable prostitution sites that have absolutely no credibility. It even states clearly on your site that all the ladies have done is contacted you on MOB sites with form letters, with no mention of you ever checking the prostitution sites to see if they can confirm that their even the same person.


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I have no difficulty in putting a disclaimer more or less like you are suggesting on my page, and shall do so shortly. However, let me say that only SOME of these ladies contacted me from MOB sites (names on an ORANGE background) and, as for "checking the prostitution sites to see if they can confirm that their even the same person ", do you really expect them to answer such a query :D ?
« Last Edit: April 19, 2006, 11:00:00 AM by SANDRO43 »
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