The Struggle For Ukraine

[Grumpy]

Partial list of USA aid to Ukraine, does not include additional aid pledged in the past week.

http://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2992414/fact-sheet-us-security-assistance-to-ukraine/

[Nightwish]

photo of the new underwater cruiser 


Putin commented the news: "Moskva has not sank, it is a special underwater operation"

[Boethius]

Another update from Wali, the Canadian sniper.

http://m.facebook.com/1411163505845340/posts/2745725749055769/

Translation:

The battle for Kyiv ended in victory. It is the greatest Russian defeat in decades.

I am not in Kyiv anymore. We are already positioned to hit the next Russian reinforcements. We have heavy equipment able to pulverize Russian armor.

Russians are afraid of Ukrainians. As soon as clashes become serious, they abandon their vehicles and run away. We are making jokes about this, pretending that Russian reinforcements are in fact supply convoys for the Ukrainian army.

Faith and Fight

Wali

[krimster2]

It would be REALLY stoopid of master strategist Vlad Pootin, to just repeat the strategy of the first failed assault and expect a different outcome this time…

one of the missing elements of this war has been Russian air power
if it were the USA doing this, before a single ground unit moved, there would’ve been a MASSIVE air assault, THEN the ground assault….

there’s no surprise element involved here now, Ukrainians know what’s coming and where
so it’s not like he doesn’t want to “telegraph” his plans

Pootin has hundreds of the OLD TU-95s, that fly above the range of western supplied shoulder-launched missiles and these can carpet bomb Ukrainian positions in front of him

he has the MOAB, Mother Of ALL Bombs, a giant thermobaric bomb that has a 400 meter kill radius

after studying the response of the USA in regards to poison gas in Syria, I’m sure he realizes that if he uses gas in areas where samples can’t be sent to the west, there won’t really be much of a response

personally, I don’t think there are ANY red lines in Ukraine drawn by NATO
they are happy just to sit back and let Ukrainians do the dirty work without risk to themselves
this pretty much gives Pooty Poot carte blanche
he has too much to lose to use restraint
so this time, the gloves come off and it’s gonna be a dirty fight

[Boethius]

I think the risk with that, is, they take Ukraine, and then what?  Are they going to trade with China and India?  Vacation on the shores of Phuket?  Buy fake guccis from Shanghai? 


The reality is that Russia will be isolated for a decade if they continue this war.  The countries that will be willing to trade with them won't increase the Russian standard of living. 

[Jumper1]

It would be REALLY stoopid of master strategist Vlad Pootin, to just repeat the strategy of the first failed assault and expect a different outcome this time…

one of the missing elements of this war has been Russian air power
if it were the USA doing this, before a single ground unit moved, there would’ve been a MASSIVE air assault, THEN the ground assault….

there’s no surprise element involved here now, Ukrainians know what’s coming and where
so it’s not like he doesn’t want to “telegraph” his plans

Pootin has hundreds of the OLD TU-95s, that fly above the range of western supplied shoulder-launched missiles and these can carpet bomb Ukrainian positions in front of him

he has the MOAB, Mother Of ALL Bombs, a giant thermobaric bomb that has a 400 meter kill radius

after studying the response of the USA in regards to poison gas in Syria, I’m sure he realizes that if he uses gas in areas where samples can’t be sent to the west, there won’t really be much of a response

personally, I don’t think there are ANY red lines in Ukraine drawn by NATO
they are happy just to sit back and let Ukrainians do the dirty work without risk to themselves
this pretty much gives Pooty Poot carte blanche
he has too much to lose to use restraint
so this time, the gloves come off and it’s gonna be a dirty fight

If* he has good Intel,  then lessons learned early in this should completely change tactics.

As is,  having  the Moscva off and on flirting within range of Neptune's (which allegedly where attempted on it early on and repelled).shows a  lack of him.getting good info.

So is he surrounded with yes men that when wrong ,, fall out of perfectly good helicopters?
Or sent to.the snipers of Ukraine?

To think Russia while sharimg a culture and business ties with ukrainev had such bad understanding of:
1. Ukraine and the general* populace
2. Ukrainian military buildup and on hand munitions as well as  high tech weapons
3.military strategy Ukraine might employ
4. Their own militaries lack of logistical ability

While openly building up a mass of troops makes me wonder how inept their intel.is and if he could change his entire related staff if it would help.

They recently put the same guy in charge of the entire operation ,that was previously commander of the  southern units.

I know from first hand accounts they botched amphibious attack on nikolaev from their own errors .and failure to wait for better weather
So the guy in charge of those units is leading the entire thing now. If he is the best they have  well  then carpet bombing is thier best chance


The thermobaric is scary, really scary.

[krimster2]

The Russian implosion will lead to a “closed society” similar to the Stalin era, this process is already underway…

Russia will pivot to China, they will switch roles and Russia will be the junior partner, a resource colony while Europe will transition away from Russian energy

Pootin will continue the incremental acquisition of Ukraine, expand to taking all of Southern Ukraine, cutting off access to Black Sea

Ukraine has already lost 50% of its economy, it will lose more, Russia will be like a giant boa constrictor squeezing the life out of Ukraine, west will tire of the cost of supporting it
and then Russia will swallow Ukraine

occupation of Ukraine is easy
seal off all borders, Berlin-wall style, public executions of partisans, informants EVERYWHERE
mass surveillance
impose puppet government

“The countries that will be willing to trade with them won't increase the Russian standard of living.”

Then I guess the standard of living is gonna fall!!! Yalky Palky

Russia's population is 4 million below the level of 1991 at the breakup of the CCCP
huge number of young people fleeing, so now Russia is trying to halt the exodus

[Chelseaboy]

It would be REALLY stoopid of master strategist Vlad Pootin, to just repeat the strategy of the first failed assault and expect a different outcome this time…

one of the missing elements of this war has been Russian air power
if it were the USA doing this, before a single ground unit moved, there would’ve been a MASSIVE air assault, THEN the ground assault….

there’s no surprise element involved here now, Ukrainians know what’s coming and where
so it’s not like he doesn’t want to “telegraph” his plans

Pootin has hundreds of the OLD TU-95s, that fly above the range of western supplied shoulder-launched missiles and these can carpet bomb Ukrainian positions in front of him

he has the MOAB, Mother Of ALL Bombs, a giant thermobaric bomb that has a 400 meter kill radius

after studying the response of the USA in regards to poison gas in Syria, I’m sure he realizes that if he uses gas in areas where samples can’t be sent to the west, there won’t really be much of a response

personally, I don’t think there are ANY red lines in Ukraine drawn by NATO
they are happy just to sit back and let Ukrainians do the dirty work without risk to themselves
this pretty much gives Pooty Poot carte blanche
he has too much to lose to use restraint
so this time, the gloves come off and it’s gonna be a dirty fight

If that happens the best thing for Ukrainian forces right across the country would be to withdraw and leave the country...with their many weapons given by the west.


The surviving Ukrainian population should all leave too..leaving just the pro-Russian ethnic population remaining.


Then they can form terrorist groups/saboteurs to strike right into the heart of Moscow and St Petersburg...blowing up train stations.apartment blocks,office blocks,police stations , Government buildings and infrastructure and generally spreading carnage and terror among the Orc  population.


The Chechens did it but they had a country which Russia could retaliate on...the Ukrainians won't have that problem, until Putin and his Orcs are brought to their knees.


All those anti-tank missiles will be handy for drive-bye's and hitting troop Barracks.

All those Mines left behind in Ukraine by the Orcs will be useful to use in Russia too.

There will be so many of these saboteurs striking from different countries,the Orcs won't know where to look next.


Will it be safe to open that door,or switch on your car Engine,or switch on that light ?


Russia would become a country living in fear...in a real war of attrition with people they don't know where they will strike next.


Destroy Russia from within as they will have destroyed Ukraine from without.


Ukrainians are very capable of fighting dirty too.


Do you think Putin doesn't realize this ?

[ML]

If that happens the best thing for Ukrainian forces right across the country would be to withdraw and leave the country...with their many weapons given by the west.


The surviving Ukrainian population should all leave too..leaving just the pro-Russian ethnic population remaining.

Withdraw and leave to where ???

[rwd123]

If you are seeing flags raised in telegram, share the towns or villages  nsmes,I'd be interested, I'm.sure others would as well since we may have family members there

I saw a video purporting flags raised in Beryslav a few days ago. I read Alyoshki today but no evidence was provided.

[Chelseaboy]

Withdraw and leave to where ???

Where have all the millions of current Ukrainian refugees gone to ?


The tactics that Krim is suggesting Putin uses there won't be many survivors anyway.but enough to blend into Europe then pay Russia back in spades.

[rwd123]

Pootin will continue the incremental acquisition of Ukraine, expand to taking all of Southern Ukraine, cutting off access to Black Sea

Ukraine has already lost 50% of its economy, it will lose more, Russia will be like a giant boa constrictor squeezing the life out of Ukraine, west will tire of the cost of supporting it
and then Russia will swallow Ukraine

The ol' goat clearly hasn't lost his marbles like Biden.

Once the Russians take out the Ukrainian forces in the east (~50,000) they will march toward Transnistria and lay siege to Odessa. They'll keep it largely in tact like the Germans did with Leningrad - it is a prize. Complete control the southern front and supply lines.

Then all it will take is forces from Belarus to cut off supply lines in the west and it's goodnight nurse. I've heard Zhytomyr but they may go as far as Lviv. No need to assault Kyiv. If it's true that the Russian troop movements in the Kyiv region were to split/reduce troops in the east then that was a masterly move.

The Russian economy will contract but that will happen globally. Most of Asia, which includes the Middle East will continue to trade with Russia (as will large parts of Africa and Latin America). The world will become divided again. The difference however is that the east have the ongoing economic (and military) power over the west, which was the opposite of the Cold War. Europe's financial state is far more precarious than what most people realize.

Oh and in other news - a British soldier captured, an American one killed by Chechen forces, and allegedly an American General has been captured too (I saw video of FSB agents but the man's face was blurred). Pat - how many Frenchmen are holding out in Mariupol...?

[Chelseaboy]

How's your over in days war going Master Strategist ?


Seven weeks and counting later.

[Jumper1]

I saw a video purporting flags raised in Beryslav a few days ago. I read Alyoshki today but no evidence was provided.

Ok.thanks.

Beryslav makes sense as a couple days back.they made pushes towards there,but essentially they controlled everything  south of there most of this conflict .
So  if they gained beryslav directly across the river its important  they crossed, but again they simply went a couple klicks across the.river,that's not a huge advance by any stretch.


Alyoshki.I'm not familiar with and don't see it


They lost.ground yesterday in izum.area and a convoy ax well.as a pontoon bridge.
They had a bridge in Russia damaged by an Ukrainian unit.

They lost moscva as well which is sig ificant om its antiship.and anti air cover it provided for the rest of the fleet.
That will.still.exist from.crimea etc,but it still a big loss and will change the level.of risk thoer naval ships are exposed to.

I dont think.amything is really going well.for them.overall at this point from. a military standpoint .

They lost kyis accomplished little to.nothing.
 They lost the initial.advance from.the south as far as offensive and had to fall.back.to.the two cities they took.of melitpol and kherson.

They lost the nikolaev airport which they held briefly.

They lost a cruiser .

They  fell back.to regroup which allows the defense to.regroup and fortify.

Instead of keeping thf ukranian military moving under attack.they had to move and reposition thousands of troops .

Their next offensive may be effective,time will.tell.

They also  did beat* the fins in the winter war,if one considers that a victory.
They did gain ground.

This may end up similar.

[krimster2]

"The ol' goat clearly hasn't lost his marbles like Biden."

Roosevelt was a cripple
but he kicked Hitler's and Hirahito's asses so hard they were wearing hats

Biden has a speech impediment
but his commands are kicking Pootin's ass and now that "Preparation H" is sanctioned, he's really feelin the pain

if this is a proxy war against NATO
then just look at Russia's losses vrs NATO's

and you think Pootin HASN'T lost his marbles?
out of curioiity, how many marbles do YOU have?

"Then all it will take is forces from Belarus to cut off supply lines in the west"

they don't seem to be in too much of a hurry to do this, despite all the pressure from Russia

This photo is one I took of a Russian Tarantul class corvette pre-war
at the time I was doing research on Radars

BTW, do ya know how the Moscva was sunk?
The main Moscva radar, works ONLY in a 180 degree arc
Ukrainians flew an aerial decoy just out of missile range, for the Russians to point their radar at it
then fired their cruise missiles at it from the blind spot
secondary radars won’t pick up sea-skimming cruise missiles
see what happens when your intelligence service is TRYING to help you win

[rwd123]

Alyoshki.I'm not familiar with and don't see it

It's near Kherson.

[rwd123]

Roosevelt was a cripple
but he kicked Hitler's and Hirahito's asses so hard they were wearing hats

I'll take a man with no legs over a man with no brains. The "laptop from hell" resurfaced because regime change is coming to the USA.

Apparently the last oil refinery in Ukraine was destroyed last night. Hard to run a military on no gas. Hey Pat - does France still have a cavalry? Ukraine may need one!

Unconfirmed reports of child soldiers recruited in Ukraine (images/video available but not verifiable). Pitting kids against Spetsnaz? If true the Zelensky regime is truly despicable.

[Boethius]

Ukraine doesn’t recruit those under 18. The irregular forces in the rebel held territories of Donetsk do. They take 15 year olds.

http://tinyurl.com/3af3yztw

[Boethius]

The "laptop from hell" resurfaced because regime change is coming to the USA.

Nope. It’s about the midterm elections. Raising Hunter Biden is like waiving a red cape in front of a bull.

[Chelseaboy]

Apparently the last oil refinery in Ukraine was destroyed last night. Hard to run a military on no gas. Hey Pat - does France still have a cavalry? Ukraine may need one!

Plenty of gas available for Ukrainian Forces to use.


All those abandoned Russian military vehicles everywhere in Ukraine,where your Orc heroes ran,will have plenty of gas for the Ukrainians to use.


Whenever the Ukrainians hear about fresh Orc convoys arriving in Ukraine they say "Oh good..fresh supplies for us ".

[rwd123]

Ukraine doesn’t recruit those under 18. The irregular forces in the rebel held territories of Donetsk do. They take 15 year olds.

Well allegedly they are. And it is appalling if those in Donetsk are doing so.

It's also reported six Georgians and up to 30 Poles have been killed in fighting, and NATO personnel are now prisoners. No mention of nationalities.

Oh, and Boe "your boys" have been very naughty boys in Mariupol, apparently Ukrainian military have bound and executed civilians. ALL militaries commit war crimes and if you think otherwise you have one eye closed.

http://youtu.be/-2qiqpMN6dM

[krimster2]

"The "laptop from hell" resurfaced because regime change is coming to the USA."

Hunter's Laptop = Hillary's Emails
and by resurfaced, I assume you mean "fabricated"
and if that's your basis for regime change, then I feel really sorry for you....

my man,
you don’t seem to understand,
if Russians fill the sky with so many missiles, that it blots out the sun…
then Ukrainians will just fight in the shade
horrosho?

[Jumper1]

Well allegedly they are. And it is appalling if those in Donetsk are doing so.

It's also reported six Georgians and up to 30 Poles have been killed in fighting, and NATO personnel are now prisoners. No mention of nationalities.

Oh, and Boe "your boys" have been very naughty boys in Mariupol, apparently Ukrainian military have bound and executed civilians. ALL militaries commit war crimes and if you think otherwise you have one eye closed.

http://youtu.be/-2qiqpMN6dM

You posted that alledegdly a big portion of ukraines army was pinned down in the south.
There is still  zero evidence of this at all days later..


 You posted That Ukraine  was no longer Ukraine, just a couple days ago.
Still seems to be Ukraine.

The follow up  you gave was to verify a village across a river from.positions the Russian troops were pushed 100 kilometers back to , was taken back by ,Russia, and an  unverified village near Kherson, (which they had also been pushed back to)

So relinquishing 100 kilometers across a 600 kilometer conflict line, then retaking 5 kilometers in a couple of spots ( while losing similar  villages on the eastern side )
 is noteworthy?
and Ukraine is no longer Ukraine?

There is no surprise poles are fighting there, we all know some Americans and Canadians are also.  Alledgedly, they arnt connected to their governments military.
 Russia using troops from.ossetia, Syria and Chechnya  is not hidden at all right?so
If* Ukraine wins they should immediately attack all three countries(independent republics)? Yes or no?
 

I don't doubt atrocities towards civilians on both sides in Mariupol.

I also dont need to spin a failed offensive towards kyiv as some strategic master.stroke

Since troops were not positioned to and  did not immediately go on a big offensive in the east,that's a pile of malarkey

That being careful about bias comment I agree with and try to think  about daily.
Maybe you should as well.



 

[Admin]

I'll take a man with no legs over a man with no brains. The "laptop from hell" resurfaced because regime change is coming to the USA.

Apparently the last oil refinery in Ukraine was destroyed last night. Hard to run a military on no gas. Hey Pat - does France still have a cavalry? Ukraine may need one!

Unconfirmed reports of child soldiers recruited in Ukraine (images/video available but not verifiable). Pitting kids against Spetsnaz? If true the Zelensky regime is truly despicable.

From an American on the ground in Ukraine; "Russia has been bribing Ukrainian children, groomed online, to act as spotters for them, convincing them that they won’t get in trouble because they’re children."

Source: http://sofrep.com/news/ukraine-sitrep-for-april-13th/

Your comment about it being "despicable" is true enough, though your attribution for these despicable acts is entirely off-base.

[Boethius]

Well allegedly they are. And it is appalling if those in Donetsk are doing so.

I have seen no reports of such.  Care to provide a link from a non Russian source?

No, I didn't think so.

BTW, in Donetsk, young men are dragged off streets to be taken to fight.

It's also reported six Georgians and up to 30 Poles have been killed in fighting, and NATO personnel are now prisoners. No mention of nationalities.

I doubt that "NATO" personnel are prisoners.  If foreigners decide to fight for one side or another, that's their choice.  I know that there are Canadians fighting in Ukraine.  They are private citizens who have chosen to do so.  They are not there with government backing.

Oh, and Boe "your boys" have been very naughty boys in Mariupol, apparently Ukrainian military have bound and executed civilians. ALL militaries commit war crimes and if you think otherwise you have one eye closed.

http://youtu.be/-2qiqpMN6dM

They are not "my boys".  "My boys" are Canadian. 

So civilians were killed by mortar shells.  Civilians in war zones are going to be killed.  But that's very different from targeting civilians in cars, or shooting them.  White armbands are used by Russian soldiers.  Again, I would not consider that a targeting of civilians.  That's a far cry from shooting civilians with their arms up when they exit vehicles, lining civilians up, torturing them, and shooting them in the head, raping women and children, and killing anyone encountered, or putting children on tanks so Ukrainian forces don't fire on those tanks. That's all been done, the latter, witnessed by my relatives.

If Ukrainian forces are targeting civilians, they should be punished.

Some information on the reporting of "journalist" Patrick Lancaster, who only reports from Russian controlled territories:

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/02/28/exploiting-cadavers-and-faked-ieds-experts-debunk-staged-pre-war-provocation-in-the-donbas/