There is so much bad news for Ukraine. I suppose when they realize that Russia is their proper bed mate,
JayH was tired of discussing the bad news in Ukraine under the "More Bad News for Russia" thread, so I decided to start a new one to rectify the problem.
I don't even know where to begin on this topic. There is so much bad news for Ukraine. I suppose when they realize that Russia is their proper bed mate, there may be less to post under this thread! :D
JayH was tired of discussing the bad news in Ukraine under the "More Bad News for Russia" thread, so I decided to start a new one to rectify the problem.
I don't even know where to begin on this topic. There is so much bad news for Ukraine. I suppose when they realize that Russia is their proper bed mate, there may be less to post under this thread! :D
The was no where that I said that-- the actual quote is below and is clear enough.
Funny how the petty little promotoers of Kremlin bs seek to troll and misrepresent ad nauseum .
BTW-- what happened to your "respect" for Ukrainian dead as a result of Russia's actions? No answer required--your attitude is already clear to all.
"One of the things that amuses me( not) on the forum is that when the thread title is --
MORE BAD NEWS FOR RUSSIA
and topics of what is bad news for Russia are posted is that we have seen a procession of posters attempting to divert the thread into a negative discussion about Ukraine -- sort of shows what is in the heads of those people doesn't it?
There are plenty of threads about Ukraine on the forum."
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17720.5075
I feel that if I have showed disrespect to those that have died in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine I would have been banned from here by now.
This isn't the other forum. No one gets banned here for their opinions, no matter how repugnant they are.
Sorry, I know you have Ukrainian connections and so do I by the way. I have been "enriching" my comments. Did you notice who I was responding to? Maybe that gives a clue why I have been inclined to go over the top.
But if you can't just take a differing viewpoint on these issues, then let me leave you to your Ukrainian safespace.
I haven't been doing anything ad nauseum. I find that this forum is overall very pro-Ukrainian and that's okay. But since I have a different view, I thought I would present it to make things a little for interesting. You seem to have difficulty handling the idea that someone would present a more pro-Russian view. I don't think Russia is perfect, but if I start criticizing Russia, I'll just have posters ad nauseum agreeing with me. And that would be boring and useless to the point of being nauseous!
I feel that if I have showed disrespect to those that have died in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine I would have been banned from here by now. I don't have disrespect for them, and I have told you that. I think every person who dies in human conflict represents a personal tragedy and it is sad beyond words for those most directly affected.
As far as blaming it all on "Russia's actions", I guess I should expect much more from someone who reads the Euromaidan press for his news and gospel.
I feel that if I have showed disrespect to those that have died in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine I would have been banned from here by now. I don't have disrespect for them, and I have told you that. I think every person who dies in human conflict represents a personal tragedy and it is sad beyond words for those most directly affected.
You have and are showing disrespect . The country is UKRAINE
It is not- and never has been "The " Ukraine.
Your thread title is deliberately respectful -- and shows your ignorance in your quest to use those words to describe Ukraine because it came naturally to you?
Serious countries don't spend their oxygen whining and complaining about how they are called. And only dodgy countries get the crown "The" put before their noun name.
Like The United States of America or The United Kingdom?
There is one case in which the country decided to use The as part of it's official name. The Gambia.
To further clarify, some countries require 'the' before their names. i.e. the plural, adjectival or compound forms. In these cases 'the' is not capitalized.
However, The Gambia requires a capitalized 'The' because the country chose the two words as its official name.
The Gambia did not chose this name because of any plural, adjectival or compound reason . . . the country just wanted the name The Gambia.
Okay. The United States is? Or:
The United States are?
But you never watched National: Treasure Book of Secrets. In it, they said that until after the Civil War it was always: The United States are .... making sure that everyone knew that the States took precedence over the federal government.
Cute little history fact. And thank you for indulging me.
Okay. The United States is? Or:
The United States are?
When a proper name is involved, the fact that there are some plural components is of no consequence.
References using this proper name are to the single object.
Hence . . . the United States is the greatest country.
It might help to think of other examples, e.g. General Motors.
We should know it would be wrong to say that General Motors are a well known auto manufacturer.
And yet people still use the plural conjunction for singular names in such cases, without it sounding too weird. For example, "Chevrolet ARE a well-known ..."I don't know about the USA, but this is actually quite common usage here.Are you sure they don't say ChevroletS, or RollS, FordS, ToyotaS, FerrariS, etc.?
Are you sure they don't say ChevroletS, or RollS, FordS, ToyotaS, FerrariS, etc.?
Are you sure they don't say ChevroletS, or RollS, FordS, ToyotaS, FerrariS, etc.?
Ever the proper linguist! :clapping:
RollS is Rolls Royce -never seen spelt with a capital S !!!I know, I wrote SAY, not WRITE :wallbash:. I put the S there for emphasis :rolleyes:.
Are you sure they don't say ChevroletS, or RollS, FordS, ToyotaS, FerrariS, etc.?
I'm quite sure.Maybe because for a long time there was only ONE Chevy in NZ ;D?
Maybe because for a long time there was only ONE Chevy in NZ ;D?
I find that this forum is overall very pro-Ukrainian and that's okay.It's not okay. A forum like this must be neutral. It's a forum mostly dedicated to dating women in former USSR. Why should it be a pro Ukrainian one? There are a few ethnic Ukrainians that live in the West who are loud and very anti Russian. I said it's a good idea to visit Ukraine, they said it's bad idea to visit Russia and so on and so forth. Those guys are trolling this great forum and turning it into another place for pointless political arguments about nothing.
It's not okay. A forum like this must be neutral. It's a forum mostly dedicated to dating women in former USSR. Why should it be a pro Ukrainian one? There are a few ethnic Ukrainians that live in the West who are loud and very anti Russian. I said it's a good idea to visit Ukraine, they said it's bad idea to visit Russia and so on and so forth. Those guys are trolling this great forum and turning it into another place for pointless political arguments about nothing.
To say that this guy is unacceptable as a future partner because you are in disagreement on what can be a highly charged issue is way over the top.
It's not okay. A forum like this must be neutral. It's a forum mostly dedicated to dating women in former USSR. Why should it be a pro Ukrainian one? There are a few ethnic Ukrainians that live in the West who are loud and very anti Russian. I said it's a good idea to visit Ukraine, they said it's bad idea to visit Russia and so on and so forth. Those guys are trolling this great forum and turning it into another place for pointless political arguments about nothing.
It's not okay. A forum like this must be neutral. It's a forum mostly dedicated to dating women in former USSR. Why should it be a pro Ukrainian one? There are a few ethnic Ukrainians that live in the West who are loud and very anti Russian. I said it's a good idea to visit Ukraine, they said it's bad idea to visit Russia and so on and so forth. Those guys are trolling this great forum and turning it into another place for pointless political arguments about nothing.
For guys heading to Ukraine -- understanding that expressing ideas like this guy keeps pushing will see the door shut in your face -or worse! Russia and Putin is on the nose big time in Ukraine.
This is no light hearted left or right discussion--this is a brutal reality of people being killed,maimed,injured- a displaced people humanitarian crisis.Many have relatives and friends with extreme hurt as a result of Putin and Russia's actions-there is nothing nice about it.
The more pointed difference is Ukrainians are not invading, annexing Russia and killing Russians. If your head wasn't stuck so far up your anus you would see and recognize what's happening as most posters here do. Yes, that situation lends itself to garner ample Ukrainian sympathy and support. I love Russia. My wife is Russian and she shares my sentiment. You are attempting to defend the indefensible.
Moreover, when someone from the West comes to date in such a corrupt country like Ukraine, he must be ready that his future wife considers a bribe normal.
I talked once in Kharkov with Ukrainian immigration officer about me possibly applying for a citizenship in Ukraine. It was a terrible experience. Russian immigration officials seem like angels to me after that experience in Kharkov. Old stupid immigration female officer in Kharkov literally told me "What do you want from Ukraine". And it's in a country where I have every right to live as a citizen. Here in Russia they are much more polite. I got my Russian citizenship and before that a permanent and temporary residences without any problems. Except the long lines in the office.
In Ukraine the attitude is much worse than here. Again, it's a generalization. But it's true. It's MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better for a westerner to get a visa and to come to Russia, than to come visa free to Ukraine. The one place in Ukraine I really enjoyed visiting was Uzhgorod. But most guys from the West don't go there anyway. Again, I'm not saying that Ukraine is not worth visiting and such. I'm just saying that Russia is better. Russia and Ukraine it's like USA and Canada, respectively.
jone,
I'm not pushing my opinion on anyone. But I have a right to express it. Again, I never said it's a bad idea to come to Ukraine to meet a local woman for marriage. I did it myself back in 2005. Ukrainian women are very good looking and all, BUT... I highly doubt I could've found in Ukraine a wife who'd support me financially for over 3 years like my Russian wife does here. Also there's much higher chance a Russian woman will come to your country to meet you for the first time. Generally speaking, I think that Russian women are much more sincere and open. Also I think it's easier to win trust of a woman in Russia.
Unfortunately, you can't just let it lie. There is absolutely no evidence that a Russian woman would be more likely to fly to a Western country than a Ukrainian woman. Especially if the man is paying for the trip and assisting with visas. As for trust and sincerity, it depends on the woman. I have met both insincere and sincere women in both countries.
Your great bit of advice is simply an opinion. If you would back it up by evidence, then it would be a different story. But, nothing you have given to the board is anything more than you simply sitting at the computer with a bee up your bonnet.
Speaking of advice, I gave you some good advice in my last post. If you really are trying to sell Russian women instead of pissing off most of the forum members, share with us stories that capture the imagination about these women. What makes them special? I, for one, can tell you your little littany about how you were someone's f-buddy and how other women have f-buddies did not raise the stock of Russian women on the forum. But, meh. Say what you will. I have my own opinions of Russian women and they don't come from you, but from years of visiting Russia and direct interaction.
Bounder,
OK, I accept your deep apologies. I became a temporary resident in Russia in 2013. I became a permanent resident in Russia in 2015 (decision was made in November 2014). I applied for Russian citizenship in May 2016 and got it in November 2016. It takes them up to 6 months to process an application in case you're married to a Russian citizen spouse. Officially I became a Russian citizen on Saturday when I signed an acceptance paper in local Immigration Office. I hope to get a Russian passport this month. The internal one. Frankly, I don't even know WHY do I have to prove anything to any of you, since so far no one here proved anything to me. But it's not a big secret about my status in Russia. I wasn't talking about Russia vs. Ukraine in terms of how easy it is to get papers, I was talking about AN ATTITUDE of immigration officers. You simply misunderstood me also in that regard. As a matter of fact, Russian immigration law is much more liberal and friendly than an immigration law in the Ukraine. A good example is its attitude towards a second citizenship. US vs. Canada is not a topic to discuss here. It's a long story and it's irrelevant here.
jone,
I'm not pushing my opinion on anyone. But I have a right to express it. Again, I never said it's a bad idea to come to Ukraine to meet a local woman for marriage. I did it myself back in 2005. Ukrainian women are very good looking and all, BUT... I highly doubt I could've found in Ukraine a wife who'd support me financially for over 3 years like my Russian wife does here. Also there's much higher chance a Russian woman will come to your country to meet you for the first time. Generally speaking, I think that Russian women are much more sincere and open. Also I think it's easier to win trust of a woman in Russia.
Boethius,
I never wanted to discuss politics here in the first place. You dragged me into it. Speaking of politics, here's another good example that there's no real war between Russia and Ukraine. My favorite singer in Ukraine is Ani Lorak. I think she's the best female singer in Ukraine since 1991. She sang in July in Saint Petersburg at a Russian Navy celebration event.
http://gordonua.com/news/society/ani-lorak-spela-na-koncerte-v-chest-320-letiya-voenno-morskogo-flota-rossii-142367.html
http://www.instagram.com/p/BIQgtu9ghgj/
http://miamusic.ru/report/7793-ani-lorak-pokazala-shou-karolina-na-bis-v-moskve.html
Funny to read comments from Ukrainians. Some say she's great, while others call her a traitor. It only proves my point about current events in Ukraine.
Thanks Bounder!
I hope to get my Russian passport this month and then I'll be really happy.
Why the delay? Steven Seagal has his citizenship.Steven Seagal got his Russian citizenship from the President. Obviously, everything was prepared well in advance for Steven Seagal. So he wouldn't have to wait for his Russian passport. It's an exception that proves the rule.
It could be true. However the report is from the Kremlin arm of the media, so, who knows?
It could be true. However the report is from the Kremlin arm of the media, so, who knows?
anything that Russia promotes is a far greater evil !It's not Russia promotes, but Putin promotes. I'm Russia as much as Putin is Russia. My Russian citizenship has no less value than his. Don't put Putin and late Nemtsov into one basket. Russia does what Putin wants. It's not like Putin does what Russia wants.
It could be true. However the report is from the Kremlin arm of the media, so, who knows?
What has happened in the past year to clean up the corruption and 'drain the swamp' in Ukraine?
It's not Russia promotes, but Putin promotes. I'm Russia as much as Putin is Russia. My Russian citizenship has no less value than his. Don't put Putin and late Nemtsov into one basket. Russia does what Putin wants. It's not like Putin does what Russia wants.
When the citizens of Russia have the guts to stand up to Putin and Kremlin bs-- as Ukrainians have done at Maidan & since -- until that happens ALL Russians will be included in the responsibilty of Russia's actions--like it or not.
It is the large majority of ordinary citizens that will suffer in due course.
Agree.I became a Russian citizen a month ago and I won't vote for Putin. How am I responsible? Maidan is a bad example, 'cos it hasn't achieved so far any of its goals. Also you can't compare Ukraine and Russia in that sense. Maidan only happened due to Yanukovitch's weakness and the fact that about half of Ukraine was pro Maidan. In Russia Putin is strong and most of Russians are pro Putin, God knows why though, considering their living conditions and all the problems, but they are. Regardless, how am I personally responsible? It's as stupid as if Arabs start blaming my daughter for US's Iraq invasion in 2003. As a matter of fact, Putin is pretty liberal and pro Western. Trust me, he does a lot to keep things relatively OK. I don't support him, but just to be fair to him. There are plenty of hardliners here (Army, KGB, nationalists, Communists) who want to go back to Soviet days and if they succeed, you'd miss Putin's times dearly.
Maidan has achieved one goal, and that is to move Ukraine closer to Europe. Whether that would have occurred had Yanukovych stayed in power is debatable. The visa free travel, for instance, was being negotiated under Yanukovych as well, with the sticking point being biometric passports.Ukraine is Europe. A geographic heart of Europe to be exact. Remember, Україна це Европа? Visa free travel hasn't achieved yet, but regardless, I travel to Europe visa free since 1990, so what? I'm not a citizen of a European country (well, Russia is kinda European, but I'm talking about my other citizenship). One more thing, if I understand it correctly, that visa free regime that Ukraine tries to achieve would be crippled, 'cos it won't include the UK. UK is not in Schengen area. With my non European passport I can travel visa free to the UK, not like it makes any difference in my life. Moreover, the goal of Maidan was not an easier tourism to Europe (with 200 dollars per months as average salary not many will be able to afford that). It was joining the EU and fighting the corruption. Both of those goals so far failed. No success in reduction of corruption and also Association Agreement is not ratified in Netherlands, therefore it's not valid. And considering that in Europe conservatives and Euro skeptics are getting stronger now (not speaking of Trump), Ukraine's chances so far are not so good. Of course, things change and maybe a generation from now, it would be different, but we are talking about today and not about a distant future.
It opens new worlds to them. It's baby steps, and this is the first step. The UK is not all of Europe, so also irrelevant.Who told you that only the citizens of Western countries can travel visa free to the UK and Schengen area? There are plenty of rich non Western countries whose citizens can travel visa free. South Korea, Japan, Israel etc.
You aren't travelling to Europe on a Russian passport. It it's on a Western passport, then I don't understand what your point is.
. Moreover, the goal of Maidan was not an easier tourism to Europe (with 200 dollars per months as average salary not many will be able to afford that). It was joining the EU and fighting the corruption. Both of those goals so far failed.
Who told you that only the citizens of Western countries can travel visa free to the UK and Schengen area? There are plenty of rich non Western countries whose citizens can travel visa free. South Korea, Japan, Israel etc.
I have told here ten times that I am a citizen of a rich non Western country. My new Russian citizenship doesn't matter.
I don't even have a Russian passport yet. My point is that a visa free travel has nothing to do with anything. 'cos it's only about tourism and nothing else. Maidan was about a legal right to work and residence. Totally different. Just look where Poles and citizens of Baltics states go. Do they immigrate to Finland or the UK? Let alone Greece, Portugal and Cyprus. UK attracts most of potential immigrants from Eastern Europe, therefore it's very relevant. Even in terms of tourism, UK and Ireland are very important places in Europe.
The worst possible news for Ukraine . . . by far . . . is Rex Tillerson
I'm willing to give Tillerson a chance. He can be the nice guy to Putin to try and get results. Good cop shows up but if he gets no results, bad cop shows up and that would be Trump playing hard ball. We should remember Trump's words when campaigning when he said if he's President, Russia isn't going to go into Ukraine.
http://ukropnews24.com/savchenko-was-expelled-from-pace/ (http://ukropnews24.com/savchenko-was-expelled-from-pace/)
Savchenko was expelled from PACE
Ukraine's ex Jeanne d'Arc is a fake hero. Same as everything else with second Maidan. She's crazy, literally. She needs a psychiatric help. Khmelnitskiy, Bandera and Savchenko are heroes of Ukraine. Mass murderer, Nazi collaborator and a crazy b..tch, respectively. With such heroes, I'd rather walk under Lenin monuments in Russia. Savchenko is probably another "baby step of Ukraine towards Europe" as Boethius likes to present it.
I think the Ukraine & the other ex-eastern bloc countries are another example of where the EU has stuffed up. There should have been a two tier EU with Entry Level membership given to all Eastern Bloc countries after the break up off the USSR. This would have allowed the EU to improve and co-ordinate & above all stabilise the economy of these countries without having to allow freedom of movement to Full Member countries - only when they were on a par with full member countries should that be allowed. In the case of Ukraine it would have likely averted all the strife it is currently going through as it would mean Russia would be risking entanglement with the EU not just the Ukraine itself. As it currently stands Ukraine is left out there on a limb and I'm surprised Russia has not gone in to pick it off completely already. That's my thoughts anyway.And why a country like Greece should have a right to remain in a privileged echelon of EU? Greece is not ex Eastern bloc country to begin with. And it caused more troubles to EU than probably any other EU member state.
Are you banned in Google or something? If that article's English wasn't so good, find another article on the issue. There are probably dozens of them online. What there's not to understand? When Savchenko was imprisoned in Russia, she was a hero in Ukraine. And when she finally got back her freedom and returned to Ukraine, she's got marginalized and considered as almost a traitor. It's a political circus. LNR and DNR are Putin's puppets and there is absolutely no reason to talk to them. Ukraine should only talk to puppets' master in Kremlin. And this whole Minsk process is a one big BS that only serves Putin's interests. It freezes up the conflict and that's it. It doesn't solve anything in a long run. And Ukraine now has a semi permanent war in the East.
Two things jump out at me from the article - firstly, the English is so poor that I'm not really sure what they're talking about (other than removing Savchenko from PACE), and secondly, there's a sub-headline in the middle of the article which states "Sunset star Savchenko: from hero to “agent of the Kremlin” but which doesn't link to anything or explain what it means. The complete lack of context makes me wonder if this is an actual Ukrainian publication or a Russian beat-up.
I think the Ukraine & the other ex-eastern bloc countries are another example of where the EU has stuffed up. There should have been a two tier EU with Entry Level membership given to all Eastern Bloc countries after the break up off the USSR. This would have allowed the EU to improve and co-ordinate & above all stabilise the economy of these countries without having to allow freedom of movement to Full Member countries - only when they were on a par with full member countries should that be allowed. In the case of Ukraine it would have likely averted all the strife it is currently going through as it would mean Russia would be risking entanglement with the EU not just the Ukraine itself. As it currently stands Ukraine is left out there on a limb and I'm surprised Russia has not gone in to pick it off completely already. That's my thoughts anyway.
Are you banned in Google or something? If that article's English wasn't so good, find another article on the issue. There are probably dozens of them online.
What there's not to understand? When Savchenko was imprisoned in Russia, she was a hero in Ukraine. And when she finally got back her freedom and returned to Ukraine, she's got marginalized and considered as almost a traitor. It's a political circus. LNR and DNR are Putin's puppets and there is absolutely no reason to talk to them. Ukraine should only talk to puppets' master in Kremlin. And this whole Minsk process is a one big BS that only serves Putin's interests. It freezes up the conflict and that's it. It doesn't solve anything in a long run. And Ukraine now has a semi permanent war in the East.
This sort of post is EXACTLY why I get scared 'bout [ clueless ] folks having the right to vote in the BREXIT referendum ..
TC.. I'm pleased to inform you that your idea was implemented..
When new members join - existing member states can and did/ do impose a time period whereby the freedom to work was only after SEVEN YEARS ..It was called a derogation from the Directive.
Cameron negotiated further derogations - but no-one paid attention ... believing 'we'd' ''stop immigration'' and ''save money ''
Bulgaria and Romania joined on New Year's Day 2007 and UKIP would have had us believe that Jan 1st 2014 would bring 'zillions' of them - no longer needing work permits ..[ bashes head against brick wall ] ..
Trenchcoat,
What makes you think that even a few decades would radically change the situation in poor European states? A few centuries didn't help so far. That's first. Second is that there is no need to give hundreds of billions of Euros to countries like Greece. It's not EU's fault that someone made that decision. Freedom of residence in itself shouldn't be an issue for richer EU countries. Just because someone with Bulgarian passport has a right to work in the UK, doesn't mean that they would be automatically employed. If they work, then they pay taxes. If they don't, UK shouldn't have an obligation to support them. Bulgaria must support its citizens. Either way, it shouldn't be an issue for the UK. So frankly, I don't understand the problem. As a matter of fact, EU citizens can be deported if they can't get a job within a certain time frame. They can't just live indefinitely in another EU member state if they can't demonstrate their legal source of income.
Its an issue, the UK just can't take the large population surges this causes from the freedom of movement policy of the EU from poor Eastern Block countries. Simply put the UK housing stock is running out and East European immigrants are moving in quicker than housing can be built. It takes moments for an east european to jump on a plane but it can commonly take up to around a year to build a house, not least to say for finding land suitable to which to build. This has push house prices up to ridiculous levels in most parts of the UK. With Greece the problem is very much an EU problem, it has affected the whole of the EU and more so countries that have adopted the Euro. In fact the Euro hastened the problem in Greece as the greek government could not print more Euros to pay down its debt. The Greek problem has not gone away. Fact of the matter is Europe is essentially two speed in economic development, this has been demonstrated by the crises, but the EU blindly ignore this obvious difference and impose a one speed Europe - one where poor declining economies like Greece are hopelessly at odds with growing developed economies like the UK & Germany, its just pure idiocy.
My point is that the EU should manage the situation, its not merely good enough to say, 'hey join up' and then disown itself from the fallout of certain member states situations. Its a two speed Europe, we need to accept that and organise a two speed EU with Entry Level status and Full Member Status depending on whether the country is economically advanced enough or economically deficient. Give Entry Level membership on a wider basis but build in sufficient restricted freedom of movement to Full Member states. Anything else is pure havoc.
If UK doesn't want to stay in EU, then why it's not leaving it after the BREXIT? Usually one leaves bad things pretty fast.
Its an issue, the UK just can't take the large population surges this causes from the freedom of movement policy of the EU from poor Eastern Block countries.
Simply put the UK housing stock is running out and East European immigrants are moving in quicker than housing can be built. It takes moments for an east european to jump on a plane but it can commonly take up to around a year to build a house, not least to say for finding land suitable to which to build. This has push house prices up to ridiculous levels in most parts of the UK.
With Greece the problem is very much an EU problem, it has affected the whole of the EU and more so countries that have adopted the Euro. In fact the Euro hastened the problem in Greece as the greek government could not print more Euros to pay down its debt.