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Title: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 29, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
So my biggest fear on marriage is laziness for someone to care for themselves. I am often on tinder, see women my age looking rundown, and then skip to the 18 to 23 year old bracket, and women look great. I dated a few women, and most of them relied on their youth to look good, only a few actually went to the gym. I dumped the ones who showed laziness.

If i marry , i am thinking of staying in my spouses country, and cost of living is cheap. I would say if you are earning $1500 a month online (as an example_, in a city outside the capital of Russia/Ukraine, would be same as earning $10k a month in for example LA, London, Sweden etc.
I would prefer if my spouse did not work, so she could focus on the kids, her appearance (go to the gym), and have the energy to motivate me to focus more on my income, way i see it , if she is earning $400 a month, it isn't going to make much of a difference to me, if she can provide a good environment for me to work in, it would benefit us and our family more financially.


My fear is laziness, it is her getting too comfortable and not working on her appearance. I manage to go to the gym, work hard on my income, i do not expect any woman to work as hard as me ever. But in all honesty, a lot of the women i came across are plain just lazy. And it scares me, can people post their experiences after marriage?
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 29, 2020, 11:08:30 AM
You are as shallow as I was at the same age..

Chances are you will be the one that piles on the kgs...who knows?

The mother of my kids went from a UK 6/8 to a 14 after each pregnancy and I just didn't fancy her, any more.. She went to the gym and lost it all. I NEVER said she didn't attract me, but she guessed.

I am not proud of being so shallow.

Both my first and second RU wives are in their fifties and are UK 6/8. I expect my first wife weighs nearly as much as the two combined..

You just cannot tell and there are FAR more important things to worry about







Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 29, 2020, 11:51:20 AM
I'm guessing there is no guarantee that once things are comfortable for the FSW and there are ties such as kids with her that is when lazyness might kick in on her part and she puts on a few pounds.

That is when I believe the concept of the 'mistress' comes in :D

Seriously I think that while FSW expect a guy to hold up his end of the bargain if he has promised to provide well for her she has to do the same back or the guy is then fully entitled to take whatever action he deems necessary.

I find fat a turn off on women too and I think most men do. Unfortunately in the UK women have seemed to have gotten the impression that it is somehow a turn on despite men crying out loudly, Nooo... they just won't listen :-\

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 29, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
..and THIS, Trenchie, is why you have never had a LTR in the UK and won't have one with a FSU W ..until you fix your attitude (
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 29, 2020, 02:12:09 PM
I'm guessing there is no guarantee that once things are comfortable for the FSW and there are ties such as kids with her that is when lazyness might kick in on her part and she puts on a few pounds.

That is when I believe the concept of the 'mistress' comes in :D

Seriously I think that while FSW expect a guy to hold up his end of the bargain if he has promised to provide well for her she has to do the same back or the guy is then fully entitled to take whatever action he deems necessary.

I find fat a turn off on women too and I think most men do. Unfortunately in the UK women have seemed to have gotten the impression that it is somehow a turn on despite men crying out loudly, Nooo... they just won't listen :-\

In ukraine, men expect woman to look go, work, take care of the kids, and go to the gym. The gym has even distribution of men and women, apart from when i was in Lviv, it had foreigners. The mentality here is so lazy, that is why i call it the land of talk , men talk about being a provider (where do you think the women got the idea that men pay for everything, provides etc from?), and the women talk about how deep their soul is from the first time you meet here.

I just hope, me taking the slack financially, will mean she has the energy to focus on other areas.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 02:49:04 PM
My fear is laziness, it is her getting too comfortable and not working on her appearance. I manage to go to the gym, work hard on my income, i do not expect any woman to work as hard as me ever. But in all honesty, a lot of the women i came across are plain just lazy. And it scares me, can people post their experiences after marriage?



To get an idea what a woman is going to look like in the future, take a look at her mother and then the rest of her family. Then Evaluate what frame of mind she's in to stay healthy. Keep in mind, people change and a person who's mentally and physically healthy now can let themselves go in the future. We can't make a spouse sign a piece of paper listing guarantees they'll look and act a certain way forever. We must assume risks when entering into marriage and it's possible we will not live happily ever after.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 29, 2020, 03:20:44 PM
..and THIS, Trenchie, is why you have never had a LTR in the UK and won't have one with a FSU W ..until you fix your attitude (

Yes in terms of I've passed over girls that are fat. I never wanted a short term relationship with a fat girl never mind a long term one. They aren't right for me.

Being told by society what I should be like is a big reason why I have never had a LTR. Instead I should off looked for girls that got me rather than whitewashing myself to the norms of society. That's part of what I have learnt recently and now that I have everything is so much clearer.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on November 29, 2020, 03:28:42 PM
I believe you are making excuses, Trench.  Not every single woman in the UK is overweight.  So, if all you could attract were women that were unattractive to you, the issue lies with you, and you should be looking at why you can't attract women you find attractive.


Frankly, I don't think you will be successful with a UW, because you don't have what most who have a desire to emigrate want - disposable cash.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: ML on November 29, 2020, 04:09:48 PM
I know some folks down in Texas where there are some hot looking young Mexican chicks.

But they have a saying:  Put a ring on her finger, and she puts 30 pounds in her gut.

Apparently those gals don't put on much butt weight, it goes to torso area instead.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 29, 2020, 04:19:18 PM
I am always crucified for not listening to what women want (only love), not being a fan of learning the russian language, and now you tell me i need a disposable income?????


Trench you can be successful with UW, you can be one of the most successful guys on here. But like i told you before, you need to stop playing bob the builder with your house. Sell it , invest in an index fund, or give it to an agency to rent for you. Start learning how to teach English online, get some income going. Your apartment money + tutoring money = Big boy in Ukraine.


My philosophy to anyone wanting to get with FSUW:
1) Get your income right
2) Go to the gym
3) Get some decent clothes
4) Don't bust a nut in 3mins
5) Buy a book on learning russian
6) Burn the book and work on steps 1 to 4

DONE
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 29, 2020, 04:21:03 PM
I know some folks down in Texas where there are some hot looking young Mexican chicks.

But they have a saying:  Put a ring on her finger, and she puts 30 pounds in her gut.

Apparently those gals don't put on much butt weight, it goes to torso area instead.

I remember setting my tinder location to Colombia, they were juicy as hell, but few pounds from it getting to a mess.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 29, 2020, 05:30:41 PM
I believe you are making excuses, Trench.  Not every single woman in the UK is overweight.  So, if all you could attract were women that were unattractive to you, the issue lies with you, and you should be looking at why you can't attract women you find attractive.


Frankly, I don't think you will be successful with a UW, because you don't have what most who have a desire to emigrate want - disposable cash.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

To be honest I'm not really sure why women get fat I mean I find it an easy enough thing to avoid. Just seems weird to me that people would purposely eat way more than what is needed as the look is nearly always a pretty unattractive sight.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: tfcrew on November 29, 2020, 10:28:18 PM
  Just seems weird to me ...as the look is nearly always...
Superficial? 
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Steamer on November 29, 2020, 11:17:30 PM
My fear is laziness, it is her getting too comfortable and not working on her appearance. I manage to go to the gym, work hard on my income, i do not expect any woman to work as hard as me ever. But in all honesty, a lot of the women i came across are plain just lazy. And it scares me, can people post their experiences after marriage?


If you fear laziness then encourage her to work. Nothing encourages a woman to be on her 'A' game like competing with an office full of women. It just happens naturally.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 04:56:38 AM

If you fear laziness then encourage her to work. Nothing encourages a woman to be on her 'A' game like competing with an office full of women. It just happens naturally.

I am not against a woman working, in current society, it is needed, and living off one person pay cheque is not feasible for most. Some it is, i discussed it, and currently in ukraine, $1000 a month is considered good, $1500 is considered good for a family. I make few times more than that, i have the potential to make 6 figures a year if i focus. Hence why a woman earning $400 a month, killing herself in an office, skipping gym, and not developing our kids , is not of interest to me.

I skipped out hooking up with a woman few days ago, we agreed to meet at my place, but i figured wasting 3 to 4 hours on her, was not worth it . I rather focus on my work. That is why having a good woman who can kick my ass is great, someone who can make me a cup of coffee, get my gym clothes ready, so i can rush out the door at 7am, do my work out, come home, have breakfast made for me, be able to work right away, till early morning. I had women who did that for me in ukraine, and it helped , it made my life easier.

i cannot chase women, expand my business, it is too much work.

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 05:24:41 AM

My philosophy to anyone wanting to get with FSUW:

5) Buy a book on learning russian
6) Burn the book

Given you are on the ground there  and your not bothering to learn to communicate in 'there's' lingo, the question needs to be asked

...are your post sex chat's deep and meanigful?...

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 05:53:10 AM



I find fat a turn off on women too and I think most men do. Unfortunately in the UK women have seemed to have gotten the impression that it is somehow a turn on despite men crying out loudly, Nooo... they just won't listen :-\

Trench,

I would love to hear why women do not want to be in a relationship with you..

You tell us you are slim, fit and not bad looking..

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 07:34:07 AM
Given you are on the ground there  and your not bothering to learn to communicate in 'there's' lingo, the question needs to be asked

Because I am working 80 to 100 hours a week . The only free time I get I spend on my tattoos. Some people have a successful business, get distracted and lose it all . I never want to be one of those people, my priorities are good for myself, and it works for myself. around 20% of young people in ukraine already speak english, if i had issues with that 20% i would address myself as a person, not go looking to learn the language , so i can chase the other 80%.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 08:39:01 AM
Because I am working 80 to 100 hours a week . The only free time I get I spend on my tattoos.

OK..so you have no time for relationships
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 09:05:47 AM
OK..so you have no time for relationships

Women tend to live with me , someone is coming this Friday probably. But yes you are right , I don't have much time , hence why I am selective on who i go on a date with and who I have sex with
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: ML on November 30, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
. . . around 20% of young people in Ukraine already speak English, . . .

Much, much higher than that for all under age 20.

Wife says that virtually everyone she knows have their children in private English lessons starting at age 5 or so.

And several in ages of late 20s to late 30s are re-studying English that they had in grade school and university.  They think it is the way to go for future economic success; whether in Ukraine or moving to the west.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 10:38:49 AM
Much, much higher than that for all under age 20.

Wife says that virtually everyone she knows have their children in private English lessons starting at age 5 or so.

And several in ages of late 20s to late 30s are re-studying English that they had in grade school and university.  They think it is the way to go for future economic success; whether in Ukraine or moving to the west.

And yet our Mobers still fails to grasp Britain's potential post Brexit, huh, sigh... :-\
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 10:44:15 AM
Trench,

There is nothing relevant to 'Brexit' in this thread ..

If you think Ukrainians are busy learning English to come to Britain...  :cluebat:

English is the international language of commerce




Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 10:50:50 AM
OK..so you have no time for relationships

I often find women moreso in the west want it both ways, a wealthy guy but one that also has time for her lol. Few of them seem to realise that men can only do so much and there are going to be very few men around able to do both.

I think we have all seen the Hollywood films of the guy who is successful but a workaholic who gets too carried away with work that it ends up pushing the love of his life away from him. The film normally ends with the guy realising what he has lost and a romantic love scene at the end where the guy changes and makes time for her. In reality as Japs has said the business goes south so it's a no win situation. If the guy wasn't successful she probably wouldn't be with him to start with.

I think Japs is sounding like he is doing great at his business and enjoying himself doing it. My guess is that someone who wants to partake in genuinely getting involved/interested in the business and work with him on it at least in a part time capacity may suit him the best. If he finds a girl that can take on some of the workload then that eases up time on himself and they get time to spend together.

That will also show she is not lazy and is motivated to being into business. Doesn't mean she can't also have kids as well. I think if Japs found a girl who just stayed at home to be a housewife I think the odds of her letting herself go would be pretty high, almost natural for many FSW perhaps.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 10:57:47 AM
Trench ..Are you or the OP married ?

He asked a question, married guys are responding ;)

You haven't worn the t-shirt

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 11:01:25 AM
Trench,

There is nothing relevant to 'Brexit' in this thread ..

If you think Ukrainians are busy learning English to come to Britain...  :cluebat:

English is the international language of commerce

Exactly, Mobe places the US & UK is what people around the world dream off. Why else do we have illegals floating across the English Channel on small inflatable dingies. Doesn't make sense otherwise, they are safe in France, a prosperous enough country but no safety isn't good enough for them in this world they would rather risk their life to get into the UK because that is where they think they will become enormously successful and wealthy.

Ukrainians will be under the same belief. For a young person being told that if you learn 'this' language you can get a successful career abroad in the UK or wherever and become wealthy and well off then you'll attract a lot of people. I myself learnt German when I was younger for the same reason. Germany had just reunified and looked like it was going to be extremely important in Europe, it did but despite it becoming Europe's largest economy to date the German language never became the language of business as was expected. Instead English became the language of business. Wake up and smell the coffee brewing Mobers!
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
Trench ..Are you or the OP married ?

He asked a question, married guys are responding ;)

You haven't worn the t-shirt

No but I've seen other people married and heard a lot, parents married, etc. It all accounts for a lot of experience ;)
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 11:04:24 AM
Trench,

This is not the 'Brexit' thread and I already pointed out the 'value' of your contribution
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: BC on November 30, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
Going on 19 years together, my wife has not had many problems maintaining her weight even after the second child.  A few more pounds to be expected tho despite exercising regularly, going to the gym, etc.  Me? that's a different story. I'm the one that needs more attention in that area and should lose about 15 lbs or so.  Added little under a pound a year together, mostly due to her exceptional cooking and work that has me sitting at the computer most of the day.

To get somewhat of an idea early on, maybe check pics of prospective MIL/FIL and siblings.  Not necessarily WYSIWYG tho'.

IMO it's mostly the lifestyle change that's the driving factor, from walking 10 km per day to driving, apartment stairs to a villa, etc
Title: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 12:02:16 PM
I am always crucified for not listening to what women want

Younger women often don't know what they want and when they do,
they change their minds.

"There are 104 generally accepted theories developed by men on how
women think and what they want. Unfortunately they are all wrong"1.
What I recommend is finding a good girl who really likes you and pursuing
her.


1. I stole that quote from jb a member here that hasn't been around for a while.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 12:08:08 PM
Younger women often don't know what they want and when they do,
they change their minds.

"There are 104 generally accepted theories developed by men on how
women think and what they want. Unfortunately they are all wrong"1.
What I recommend is finding a good girl who really likes you and pursuing
her.


1. I stole that quote from jb a member here that hasn't been around for a while.

Not even just young women, which is my point and guys in fsu understand. Women tell you what you want to hear , the older women are much more sly than the younger women. They are nice , and sweet , but would gut you in a second if you got in the way of what they want
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: BC on November 30, 2020, 12:16:10 PM
(http://i.postimg.cc/k5WTFKwP/Screen-Shot-2020-11-30-at-20-14-47.png)
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 12:28:04 PM
So my biggest fear on marriage is laziness for someone to care for themselves. I am often on tinder, see women my age looking rundown, and then skip to the 18 to 23 year old bracket, and women look great. I dated a few women, and most of them relied on their youth to look good, only a few actually went to the gym. I dumped the ones who showed laziness.

My fear is laziness, it is her getting too comfortable and not working on her appearance. I manage to go to the gym, work hard on my income, i do not expect any woman to work as hard as me ever. But in all honesty, a lot of the women i came across are plain just lazy. And it scares me, can people post their experiences after marriage?

I don't know if my experience is going to help you much because I was
chasing older women. Angel Eyes was 38 and very slim when I met her.
An older woman has gone through many seasons and have figured out
how to keep themselves fit (or they didn't) and what you see is (mostly)
what you get.



Title: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 12:36:57 PM
They are nice , and sweet , but would gut you in a second if you got in
the way of what they want

That's why you make sure what they want is YOU. Insincere women
can only hide what they are for a short time. Listen and remember what
they say. Observe how they treat others like a waitress, a kiosk girl,
somebody below their situation in life. They will show you their
character or lack thereof.

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
(http://i.postimg.cc/k5WTFKwP/Screen-Shot-2020-11-30-at-20-14-47.png)

Yes, exactly!

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 12:40:53 PM
Not even just young women, which is my point and guys in fsu understand. Women tell you what you want to hear , the older women are much more sly than the younger women. They are nice , and sweet , but would gut you in a second if you got in the way of what they want

Maybe it's more a case of younger women not knowing what they want but thinking they do. While older women knowing what they want but then telling you what you want to hear to get something they want.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 12:50:06 PM
That's why you make sure what they want is YOU. Insincere women
can only hide what they are for a short time. Listen and remember what
they say. Observe how they treat others like a waitress, a kiosk girl,
somebody below their situation in life. They will show you their
character or lack thereof.


Very interesting , you think people cannot be two different people depending on who they interact with?
Title: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 01:08:25 PM
Maybe it's more a case of younger women not knowing what they want but
thinking they do. While older women knowing what they want but then telling
you what you want to hear to get something they want.

Trench, you've made over 5,000 posts on this forum and it's blatantly
and obviously apparent you have a zero chance of figuring women out.
So stop trying.

Luckily for you FSUW are some of the most blunt and straightforward
creatures on this planet. They will tell you what you did wrong and why
they are angry. That's why you should pursue them. A Western woman
might expect you to figure out what they are thinking, where an FSUW
will tell you instead.

You have posted extensively about your impressions, theories and
thoughts on matters as they relate to Western women and FSUW.
In my opinion your theories and impressions are almost always
wrong.

So what does a guy like you need to do?

The most important thing is to find a good girl who really likes you.
Win her heart and she will help steer you in the right direction.

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 01:26:03 PM

Luckily for you FSUW are some of the most blunt and straightforward
creatures on this planet. They will tell you what you did wrong and why
they are angry. That's why you should pursue them. A Western woman
might expect you to figure out what they are thinking, where an FSUW
will tell you instead.

Lol, that's nice to hear Bill, a lot on here just tell me this is not for me. I agree with you though I much prefer to hear what the problem is straight it's much nicer knowing.

So what does a guy like you need to do?

The most important thing is to find a good girl who really likes you.
Win her heart and she will help steer you in the right direction.

Or find a bad girl who really likes me ;D
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 01:28:04 PM
Trench, you've made over 5,000 posts on this forum and it's blatantly
and obviously apparent you have a zero chance of figuring women out.
So stop trying.

Luckily for you FSUW are some of the most blunt and straightforward
creatures on this planet. They will tell you what you did wrong and why
they are angry. That's why you should pursue them. A Western woman
might expect you to figure out what they are thinking, where an FSUW
will tell you instead.

You have posted extensively about your impressions, theories and
thoughts on matters as they relate to Western women and FSUW.
In my opinion your theories and impressions are almost always
wrong.

So what does a guy like you need to do?

The most important thing is to find a good girl who really likes you.
Win her heart and she will help steer you in the right direction.

Actually Trench is correct, look, just go at the new guy posted recently, where they are having couple therapy, and disputing about her keeping all the money she makes. He still hasn't figured it out, because she hasn't clearly told him NO!


Difference between a young beautiful woman, and an older woman, is the young beautiful woman can be upfront.  They don't need to play games so much. Older women need to be more tactful, they don't have their looks to leverage as much as they did before. Some of you slept with a young woman, but not a HOT young woman, a big difference.

That is why my tattoo master is making twice what an average ukrainian guy makes, at 25, 185cm, benching 140kg for 5 reps, and will still tell you GO FOR A SIMPLE GIRL. Young BEAUTIFUL women are very different from a bare 6 FSUW young girl
Title: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 01:32:02 PM
I changed Trench's quote from bad to naughty, lest somebody misunderstand
what was said.

Or find a naughty girl who really likes me ;D

Every girl has a naughty girl hidden inside.

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: BC on November 30, 2020, 02:08:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4TOR7856d4

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 02:09:44 PM
And yet our Mobers still fails to grasp Britain's potential post Brexit, huh, sigh... :-\


It's not because of Great Britain that Ukrainians are learning English.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 02:12:45 PM
I often find women moreso in the west want it both ways, a wealthy guy but one that also has time for her lol. Few of them seem to realise that men can only do so much and there are going to be very few men around able to do both.

How would you have "found" this?  From all your years of dating WW? 

Face it, Trench, you know nothing of WW, or relationships with them.  Everything you glean is from the pages of British tabloids or incel forums.  I think it's best for you to avoid discussing WW altogether.

No but I've seen other people married and heard a lot, parents married, etc. It all accounts for a lot of experience ;)


 :ROFL:


It accounts for ZERO experience. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 02:14:50 PM
Exactly, Mobe places the US & UK is what people around the world dream off. Why else do we have illegals floating across the English Channel on small inflatable dingies. Doesn't make sense otherwise, they are safe in France, a prosperous enough country but no safety isn't good enough for them in this world they would rather risk their life to get into the UK because that is where they think they will become enormously successful and wealthy.

Ukrainians will be under the same belief. For a young person being told that if you learn 'this' language you can get a successful career abroad in the UK or wherever and become wealthy and well off then you'll attract a lot of people. I myself learnt German when I was younger for the same reason. Germany had just reunified and looked like it was going to be extremely important in Europe, it did but despite it becoming Europe's largest economy to date the German language never became the language of business as was expected. Instead English became the language of business. Wake up and smell the coffee brewing Mobers!


Ukrainians with good technical skills can already move to Germany, and tens of thousands have already moved there.  They don't dream of the UK.  If they dream of an English speaking country, it is the US.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 02:30:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4TOR7856d4

I sent this to my artist , definitely make him laugh 😂
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
Actually Trench is correct, look, just go at the new guy posted recently, where they are having couple therapy, and disputing about her keeping all the money she makes. He still hasn't figured it out, because she hasn't clearly told him NO!


Difference between a young beautiful woman, and an older woman, is the young beautiful woman can be upfront.  They don't need to play games so much. Older women need to be more tactful, they don't have their looks to leverage as much as they did before. Some of you slept with a young woman, but not a HOT young woman, a big difference.

That is why my tattoo master is making twice what an average ukrainian guy makes, at 25, 185cm, benching 140kg for 5 reps, and will still tell you GO FOR A SIMPLE GIRL. Young BEAUTIFUL women are very different from a bare 6 FSUW young girl

Exactly, I know that I slept with a HOT young woman not only because I found her attractive but because most other guys on Photofeeler found her attractive. Kherson girl scored 8 or above in most of her photos and a heady 9.8! after 21 votes on the one she is all dolled up like a princess in. Only in the closer up photos where you can see a slight nose imperfection that she has did she drop to around a everyday 5 ish. The first girl I met in Kiev also did well scoring a 9.5 after 14 votes. I couldn't believe how attractive she was when I first Skyped with her, nice long straight hair and ample boobs planted each side :D

Guys have berated me for failing here but I have failed with some of the hottest chicks not the everyday or ugly looking ones.

I challenge any member here to put up a photo of their other half or girls they have dated on Photofeeler and report back here with the results. Aside from Japs I doubt there would be many who would find their girl scoring as well as the ones I've had.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 04:10:52 PM
So you dated and screwed a beautiful girl.  You did so in exchange for a trip outside Ukraine and money spent on make up and clothing.  It doesn't mean you had a relationship.  Come back and ask once you've married such a girl, and she is still with you after she has upgraded her education and worked a number of years.


This post was composed without the aid of google.


Title: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 04:11:13 PM

Very interesting , you think people cannot be two different people depending on who they interact with?

A good girl won't treat a waitress like crap for no reason. However, if
a good girl receives crap from the waitress first, they might mirror it
right back. The key is to listen and observe and a good girl will show
that she is a good girl and a dubious girl will prove out as such as well.

Title: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2020, 04:30:01 PM
I challenge any member here to put up a photo of

First of all, none of us men who are married to Russian women keep
old photos of old girlfriends unless we have a death wish. Second, I
highly recommend that the married men keep their wife's photos
private because some of the peanut gallery are f#ckers who will
try to track her down and give you grief in the future.

Third of all, I trust my own assessment and seriously doubt .......
I've decided to leave it at that.

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
So you dated and screwed a beautiful girl.  You did so in exchange for a trip outside Ukraine and money spent on make up and clothing.  It doesn't mean you had a relationship.  Come back and ask once you've married such a girl, and she is still with you after she has upgraded her education and worked a number of years.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

She would of made more as an escort, i doubt Trench took her on a 5 star trip, she obviously had a good time, had a bit of interest in trench, wanted to see if her feelings developed. I don't know their story, but i doubt it was a simple exchange. I think you underestimate what a young woman could earn if she sold herself. If it was an older women, i would agree, there is not much of a market dating and sex work.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 05:11:38 PM
First of all, none of us men who are married to Russian women keep
old photos of old girlfriends unless we have a death wish. Second, I
highly recommend that the married men keep their wife's photos
private because some of the peanut gallery are f#ckers who will
try to track her down and give you grief in the future.

Third of all, I trust my own assessment and seriously doubt .......
I've decided to leave it at that.

I'm not saying that they should post up her photo here. If they post it up on Photofeeler no one here will know. Then they just come back here and honestly tell us the score she got. Around about 10 votes is enough to get a pretty accurate score for anyone on there, up to around 20 votes and it will start to get pretty exact. No money need be spent as you can just vote on other girls pics to earn credits so people vote on the pic you put up. Any takers? Or merely more words ;)
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 05:14:57 PM
She would of made more as an escort, i doubt Trench took her on a 5 star trip, she obviously had a good time, had a bit of interest in trench, wanted to see if her feelings developed. I don't know their story, but i doubt it was a simple exchange. I think you underestimate what a young woman could earn if she sold herself. If it was an older women, i would agree, there is not much of a market dating and sex work.


I told Trench's story to UM.  They said it was likely she dumped him after the trip because she had goods she can sell in Ukraine at markets, enough to live fairly well in Ukraine.  This is a very common thing for young women to do, apparently. 



Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 05:25:03 PM

I told Trench's story to UM.  They said it was likely she dumped him after the trip because she had goods she can sell in Ukraine at markets, enough to live fairly well in Ukraine.  This is a very common thing for young women to do, apparently.

I just checked the prices (Just google ukraine escorts), girls are making 70 euros an hour. I don't know how much Trench spent , but i doubt it was worth it. Foreigners are not seen as good people, men are angry because foreigners come with their money, and take their women. But from the women i have talked to, men talk about providing, but cannot. In the west, how many guys talk about providing????????? We keep our mouths shut, in FSU, they keep their mouths wide open and talk about how deep their soul is, and how they will provide.

Why do you think the women feel entitled? Must be some men supply, and talking, and believe me , it is not foreigners, as some of these girls never came across a westerner , more Turks who come and study in Ukraine. THey get it from the Men here, who buys chains, iPhoneX on contract and pose in suits they barely can afford. I bought a phone recently 135 euros, all i needed was a better camera for work, and my apps to run my business. I look way below what i actually make, women have no idea how much i make, i have been mocked because my business is in a sector that gives an impression i am broke. I actually had a woman mock me because i didn't have a iphone, and i my business sector , she didn't realise what i was actually making. But that business is my passion, and my other source of income, i keep a secret, as they would be able to guess i do fairly well.

Goes back to my motto in life, talk less, do more.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 05:33:08 PM
Being an escort for numerous men is far different from sleeping with a man you may find attractive on a "working vacation".  I suspect a lot of young women also would view it as not being a prostitute.

Furthermore, an escort enters Ukraine's criminal world.  She would need protection or she will be shaken down. 
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on November 30, 2020, 05:37:53 PM
Being an escort for numerous men is far different from sleeping with a man you may find attractive on a "working vacation".  I suspect a lot of young women also would view it as not being a prostitute.

that is true, but i remember a long time ago, watching a sugar daddy on youtube that said ' a married man pays for sex, he buys the washing machine, his wife is happy, and gives him sex, he just doesn't realise he is paying for sex'. He theory is fairly correct for a lot of western men that pursue FSUW.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 30, 2020, 06:02:27 PM
Being an escort for numerous men (women?) is far different from sleeping with a man you may find attractive on a "working vacation".  I suspect a lot of young women also would view it as not being a prostitute.

Japs is right in that she would have made more as a pro, particularly on the Kiev trip. On the Kiev trip I bought her, a coat probably around £40-50 if that but no more, a book (about £10), a mobile phone cover (£5 ish), a brolly (a good quality one about £30 or so), a bra set (a good quality one, guessing about £30-40) and a bikini top and bottom (another £30-40 I think). Also paid for a haircut for her, I guess about £30 ish. I paid for restaurant, taxi's, entertainment as expected and for apartment together and for groceries.

On the following trip to Cyprus I bought a fair bit more for her but that was because I thought we could get it together. I played it all wrong and have learnt from my mistakes.

I personally now believe given all that I have read since that she a). Genuinely wanted to get married to a guy as she stated, she once stated to me that she was not a liar on that I believe her, and b). despite being honest she was manipulative and because she was pretty wanted to be treated as a princess and that came with princess syndrome/attitude.

I think she didn't see that the two would not work well for her with any guy, that it would always be doomed to sink her thus why she was still single. I don't doubt that she likely sold some off the stuff in the market but I don't think that was her prime motivation for dating western men. A year or so after we ended she took herself off the dating site she was on and I haven't seen her on any since, not that I obsessively look for her though.

I'm pretty sure if she wanted to just go out for the money she could have found more profitable avenues in FSU foreign dating. The AFA tours run through Kherson and she could have easily taken many off those men for a ride, but I have never seen her on any of the videos they do. When I asked her she said she won't go to them as women that are prostitutes go there. There was never any formal money/clothes for favours between us. I think she expected stuff out of a relationship but didn't realize that it undermines the relationship but her want for clothes fashion was so strong unfortunately.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 01:00:56 AM
Well, well, the thread has moved on from ,"should I worry about my future FSU wife getting fatter?" to Trench suggesting he has pulled the best looking lass and can prove it via the scores he got by putting her images up for guys to 'vote' ?))))))

Trench, do get get how pointless an exercise that was....?

She was not your girlfriend anymore....If she knew what you did, it would confirm here lucky escape.

Those of us with wives do not need to post photos of their wives on your suggested photo sharing site...the only 'scores that count ' are the one's we 'give'.  If you love your wife, you do not need to know what score she'd achieve...

Until you figure that out...


I saw Beel's comment on sharing photos of the wife and cannot agree with his reasoning.

In all the years doing what he suggests not to do, neither of my RU wives were contacted by a bloke seeking to stir trouble...another RU wife of a WM did at his suggestion..seeking to bump up forum traffic,  but they had already met and was not 'thanked' and were never on her Christmas card list and they knew how to contact her, anyway.

I appreciate Beel's right to choose, not his reasoning.

Back on topic:

Wives that keep their figures can buy kids clothes, modify them and get asked, "where did you buy that dress?"


















Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 02:36:48 AM
Me? that's a different story. I'm the one that needs more attention in that area and should lose about 15 lbs or so.  Added little under a pound a year together, mostly due to her exceptional cooking and work that has me sitting at the computer most of the day.

How true.

I've just turned 40, don't play competitive sport anymore, the gyms are shut and much of my work is currently done sitting at a desk. Age is a factor as is diet but its my activity I need keep an eye on.

Normally I'd be gym/swim 4 times a week and a bit of running but lockdown coupled with a more static work environment means I really need to push myself to do more or cut back on the treats. Now its dark here at 4pm and you need to be super motivated to get out in the cold and go running.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 02:59:59 AM
They don't dream of the UK.  If they dream of an English speaking country, it is the US.

I disagree.

Some will and some won't but from my own experience (dating & speaking with my wife single friends), many would prefer to meet someone in Europe and the UK/Ire is the only place they speak English. So if they dream of an English speaking country it isn't going to be the US or Canada.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 03:09:15 AM
I saw Beel's comment on sharing photos of the wife and cannot agree with his reasoning.

Some of us are motivated differently. I see some people sharing all kinds of personal moments in various stages of undress, of their own wife but out of respect for Mrs Rosco, I wouldn't dare. I have done with GF's in trip reports 10 years ago but I think its quite distasteful to be doing that with my wife.

We're all different but I suspect most of us would act like Bill and I.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 03:10:41 AM
Wives that keep their figures can buy kids clothes, modify them and get asked, "where did you buy that dress?"

Thats an odd one. Does your wife dress in children clothing?
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 04:34:32 AM
I disagree.

Some will and some won't but from my own experience (dating & speaking with my wife single friends), many would prefer to meet someone in Europe and the UK/Ire is the only place they speak English. So if they dream of an English speaking country it isn't going to be the US or Canada.

I saw Boethius' comments and gulped...

'RWD announcement'.. there has been a seismic event ..Moby ( sort of )  agreed with Rosco ..

For sure, many FSU W seem to look less to N.America ( esp. USA)  .. but I felt that was more Russian women rather that UA / BY ladies ..

I know plenty of ladies who would chose ( have chosen) a French, Italian, German speaking guy, if they thought they were worthy ... English was/ is used to communicate, esp. in the earliest days
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: John Gaunt on December 01, 2020, 04:37:31 AM
Thats an odd one. Does your wife dress in children clothing?
Don’t they come cheaper in the UK?
Maybe Moobs is trying to save some pennies. Maybe his pension doesn’t allow for a big clothes allowance?
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 04:38:59 AM
Some of us are motivated differently. I see some people sharing all kinds of personal moments in various stages of undress, of their own wife but out of respect for Mrs Rosco, I wouldn't dare. I have done with GF's in trip reports 10 years ago but I think its quite distasteful to be doing that with my wife.

We're all different but I suspect most of us would act like Bill and I.

Rosco, perhaps you didn't read, properly ?

Beel offered his reasoning and I countered why I didn't agree with his reasoning ...  though it is his business. I just wouldn't advise not to do so, based on his reasoning. 

YOU have offered another reason and that's fine ... It is up to the couple concerned and if neither mind.. that's up to them ..



Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 04:54:40 AM
Well, well, the thread has moved on from ,"should I worry about my future FSU wife getting fatter?" to Trench suggesting he has pulled the best looking lass and can prove it via the scores he got by putting her images up for guys to 'vote' ?))))))

Trench, do get get how pointless an exercise that was....?

She was not your girlfriend anymore....If she knew what you did, it would confirm here lucky escape.

Those of us with wives do not need to post photos of their wives on your suggested photo sharing site...the only 'scores that count ' are the one's we 'give'.  If you love your wife, you do not need to know what score she'd achieve...

Until you figure that out...


I saw Beel's comment on sharing photos of the wife and cannot agree with his reasoning.

Ah, I see I have thrown down the gauntlet to be picked up and our Mobe stands there gingerly eyeing it but fearful to pick it up!

I'm not saying it is all down to looks, I never specifically went to go at get a model looking girl I wrote to all sorts they were just the ones that turned up. A lot of the prettier model looking girls can't get the guy they wish for at home due to a lot of guys not making the economic grade hence why so many on dating sites.

Japs here works his arse off so wants a top quality girl in all aspects including looks. I don't blame him there is no doubt that looks in usual western circumstances gets a person further, we're all superficial at the end of the day whether we like it or not.

Now are you going to pick up that gauntlet I've thrown down Mobers or chose instead to zip it up!
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 05:08:03 AM
I saw Boethius' comments and gulped...

'RWD announcement'.. there has been a seismic event ..Moby ( sort of )  agreed with Rosco ..

Lol that's twice this year!! Watch yourself.....
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 05:08:54 AM
Don’t they come cheaper in the UK?
Maybe Moobs is trying to save some pennies. Maybe his pension doesn’t allow for a big clothes allowance?

VAT free on kids.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 05:13:42 AM
Rosco, perhaps you didn't read, properly ?

Beel offered his reasoning and I countered why I didn't agree with his reasoning ...  though it is his business. I just wouldn't advise not to do so, based on his reasoning. 

YOU have offered another reason and that's fine ... It is up to the couple concerned and if neither mind.. that's up to them ..

No I read properly.

I just gave you my reasons and its probably not too far away from what Bill thinks too. Protection from weirdo's is part of it but decency and respect is another. I'm super proud of my wife and think she looks great but personally it'd be bizarre splashing unprompted bikini/underwear pics of her around the net, for strangers to stare at. It certainly wouldn't be for her benefit and I don't need or want that attention either.

Each to their own though.

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 05:20:18 AM
Thats an odd one. Does your wife dress in children clothing?

Once again, you find what you cannot appreciate / haven't or cannot consider, 'odd' ...

I seem to prefer petite ladies ...  I certainly do not suggest  or insist they wear children's clothes ..

V chose a child's dress from Monsoon Kid's and modified it to get married in.  Nobody had a clue..  She just saw that she could make something from it

SC regularly buys kids clothes and modifies them..

My mother bought a pair of Russell and Bromley kids Patent Leather brogues in the sales a few year back for silly money and V bought a pair of patent leather boots in R&B - hence my taking Ma there.

NOTHING odd about having more choice ...
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 05:24:03 AM
Ah, I see I have thrown down the gauntlet to be picked up and our Mobe stands there gingerly eyeing it but fearful to pick it up!

Nope.. the reaction is abhorrence at your suggestion .. 

Again, my ego doesn't need massaging by posting a 'babuska in a bikini' to score points . SC earns actual money from modelling and selling her bikinis .. points do not earn prizes in your 'example'



Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 05:27:50 AM
VAT free on kids.

Oh dear, you quoted confused as to who he is / where he is,  'JG' ..  :rolleyes:

Indeed, in the UK there is no 'sales tax' and *I* know that, but I hardly think my Russian wives knew / know that. 

My mother might not even have known it, and it was having something different that appealed

V got LOADS of people asking where she bought her wedding dress from..




Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 05:39:11 AM
No I read properly.

That's quite amusing, given the fact I explained why that clearly couldn't be the case !

NOW, you are offering your reasoning and it doesn't  bear any resemblance to Beel's reasoning, in print ..

Each to their own though.

Agreed..

(http://i.imgur.com/ADo6rTW.jpg)

This dress was not bought, but designed and made entirely by SC

Why can't we get decent 'Sapogi' in the UK? ( unless you know different )



Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 01, 2020, 05:51:32 AM
SC earns actual money from modelling and selling her bikinis

Yes, she has a unique look that would appeal to more mature/older women.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 05:56:40 AM
Nope.. the reaction is abhorrence at your suggestion .. 

Again, my ego doesn't need massaging by posting a 'babuska in a bikini' to score points . SC earns actual money from modelling and selling her bikinis .. points do not earn prizes in your 'example'

Great! Now think of how much more she would earn if she got a real model to model them ;D

Again, I'm only hearing more words Mobers!
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 05:58:39 AM
Oh dear, you quoted confused as to who he is / wear he is,  'JG' ..  :rolleyes:

Indeed, in the UK there is no 'sales tax' and *I* know that, but I hardly think my Russian wives knew / know that. 


The only confusion here is deciphering your posts. I can take a guess but what does that first line actually mean??

JG said "Don't they come cheaper in the UK". I said "VAT free".

Not sure why you're arguing, it was all quite concise and clear? I always have this feeling of running to the back of the group to help the slow one catch up, when conversing with you Moby. Life should be easier.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 06:00:04 AM
V got LOADS of people asking where she bought her wedding dress from..

I'm not saying she didn't look great but that is what people say to the bride on her big day, Moby.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 06:01:54 AM
This dress was not bought, but designed and made entirely by SC

My wife really enjoys tailoring and makes a lot of her own clothes & accessories too. It's really creative and I do take my hat off to anyone who can do it well.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 06:07:54 AM
I'm not saying she didn't look great but that is what people say to the bride on her big day, Moby.

Except it was on her photosharing site and long after the wedding ..

When she decided to end our relationship the big clue that it was over was when she advertised it for sale ...

A total stranger bought it for nearly double what she paid for it ... 

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 06:14:07 AM
Yes, she has a unique look that would appeal to more mature/older women.



She sells bikinis that 'more mature/older women' should not be thinking of wearing ...))

I suspect, though nothing to prove it other than judging by what she sells on the beach.. that it is MEN buying the bikinis ..

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 01, 2020, 06:21:23 AM
The only confusion here is deciphering your posts. I can take a guess but what does that first line actually mean??

'JG' who we both know as someone else, knows exactly what I mean and I, normally, cannot see his posts ..

JG said "Don't they come cheaper in the UK". I said "VAT free".

We BOTH know that JG meant it as an insult ... I'm not protesting, it's just an example of why I choose not to see his 'one line contributions'..

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Nightwish on December 01, 2020, 06:41:39 AM
I'm not saying that they should post up her photo here. If they post it up on Photofeeler no one here will know. Then they just come back here and honestly tell us the score she got. Around about 10 votes is enough to get a pretty accurate score for anyone on there, up to around 20 votes and it will start to get pretty exact. No money need be spent as you can just vote on other girls pics to earn credits so people vote on the pic you put up. Any takers? Or merely more words ;)

I'm sitting here in "self quarantine" with my girl laughing our asses of more or less everything you write, all your theories and "conclusions" from your vast experience with women and relationships, and this was too good to pass by, now _I_ would never do this, but Tanya thought it would be a fun thing to try so, one quite plain selfie uploaded and rated as attached.

now-  my girl is 38 years old and lets be honest, those incels sitting there rating these pictures are probably not the average human beings, I never even heard of the place until you started boasting about it. So she is not in the target demographic for these people and she still got a 9.

In other news, we have now lived like this since mid July when I managed to get my girl out of Ukraine, it's been - well quite amazing spending all this time together, we are both working from home, she is doing 25% workdays and I am doing 50%.
So we have a lot of free time on our hands, so we renovated our kitchen, bought a dog (for me to get some exercise  :rolleyes:)
I gained 5kg in first 1,5 months and that was baaaad - so I needed something to get me going, though after Tanya got here I got all the exercise needed to loose them again  :P
but we are avoiding people, going on short trips just to have something to do and now counting down and planning for Christmas, trying to get her daughter here for the holidays.
And in respons to the OP - no not a single pound, she runs, walks, swim, doing home gym and zumba (now during covid) and shows no sign of slowing down.

She is 163 cm (5"4) and 53 kg (116lbs) (even though I seldom see her below 5"7 since she always wear heals)

kinda funny how ALL threads always derail as soon Trench joins them with one of his "words of wisdom", (I am as guilty I will admit)
but... don't you have like 20 threads of your own to pollute with your trash?
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: fathertime on December 01, 2020, 07:19:35 AM
I'm sitting here in "self quarantine" with my girl laughing our asses of more or less everything you write, all your theories and "conclusions" from your vast experience with women and relationships,
I must admit, Trenchcoat has quite a sense of humor! 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 07:58:54 AM
I'm sitting here in "self quarantine" with my girl laughing our asses of more or less everything you write, all your theories and "conclusions" from your vast experience with women and relationships, and this was too good to pass by, now _I_ would never do this, but Tanya thought it would be a fun thing to try so, one quite plain selfie uploaded and rated as attached.

now-  my girl is 38 years old and lets be honest, those incels sitting there rating these pictures are probably not the average human beings, I never even heard of the place until you started boasting about it. So she is not in the target demographic for these people and she still got a 9.

In other news, we have now lived like this since mid July when I managed to get my girl out of Ukraine, it's been - well quite amazing spending all this time together, we are both working from home, she is doing 25% workdays and I am doing 50%.
So we have a lot of free time on our hands, so we renovated our kitchen, bought a dog (for me to get some exercise  :rolleyes:)
I gained 5kg in first 1,5 months and that was baaaad - so I needed something to get me going, though after Tanya got here I got all the exercise needed to loose them again  :P
but we are avoiding people, going on short trips just to have something to do and now counting down and planning for Christmas, trying to get her daughter here for the holidays.
And in respons to the OP - no not a single pound, she runs, walks, swim, doing home gym and zumba (now during covid) and shows no sign of slowing down.

She is 163 cm (5"4) and 53 kg (116lbs) (even though I seldom see her below 5"7 since she always wear heals)

kinda funny how ALL threads always derail as soon Trench joins them with one of his "words of wisdom", (I am as guilty I will admit)
but... don't you have like 20 threads of your own to pollute with your trash?

Fair enough, she looks a pretty girl, so you've passed the bar, only question is what is she doing with you :D
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Nightwish on December 01, 2020, 08:26:26 AM
Fair enough, she looks a pretty girl, so you've passed the bar, only question is what is she doing with you :D

Money - no she makes almost as much as me, own's a business and have more savings than me.
"better country" - well no, she could set up shop anywhere she wanted to, she has travelled all over the world and had plenty of suitors from other countries.
looks - hmm well no, not even on my best days

I asked her, but she just gives me a smile and a kiss as she wanders off into the kitchen to make us dinner.

So your guess is as good as mine, well not really since I already know why, I respect her and don't see or treat her as a commodity or piece of jewelry. I don't put her on a pedestal but nor do I mistreat or mistrust her.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 01, 2020, 08:36:47 AM


She sells bikinis that 'more mature/older women' should not be thinking of wearing ...))

I suspect, though nothing to prove it other than judging by what she sells on the beach.. that it is MEN buying the bikinis ..



There are men that pay to watch women who are several hundred kg to eat food . I bet they make more than SC , something for weirdest sort of blokes

SC is attractive for her age , hopefully if I marry someone , and they reach her age , they will be as attractive as SC at that age .
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 01, 2020, 12:15:00 PM
Japs is right in that she would have made more as a pro, particularly on the Kiev trip. O


She would also fall under the eye of the local criminal world.  Escorts in Ukraine who are "independent" pay large sums of "protection money".
Title: Prostitution: The immediate exchange of money or valuables for sex
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
 :offtopic:  :offtopic:  :offtopic:  :offtopic:

Prostitution is the exchange of sex for the immediate payment of
money or valuables.

I think it's personally insulting and certainly against forum decorum
to imply that Trench's ex girl is a prostitute or prostituted herself by
being with Trench because he bought her stuff on a trip together. 

Trench rarely says or does the right thing but since nobody knows
this girl, I don't think that the path this conversation is going down
is either on topic or productive.

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 01, 2020, 12:30:53 PM
I disagree.

Some will and some won't but from my own experience (dating & speaking with my wife single friends), many would prefer to meet someone in Europe and the UK/Ire is the only place they speak English. So if they dream of an English speaking country it isn't going to be the US or Canada.

I am referring to Ukraine.  There have been surveys on this.  Order of preference for emigration:

1.  Germany
2.  Poland
3.  USA
4.  Canada
5.  Italy

The UK is far down the list, not even in the top 10.

For actual emigration, outside of FSU countries, Poland, Czechia, the USA, Canada, and Italy, are the primary destinations of Ukrainian emigres. 
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 01, 2020, 12:34:20 PM
I think it's personally insulting and certainly against forum decorum
to imply that Trench's ex girl is a prostitute or prostituted herself by
being with Trench because he bought her stuff on a trip together. 

Trench rarely says or does the right thing but nobody knows this
girl and I don't think that the path this conversation is going down
is either on topic or productive.


Trench continually uses that girl as an example of what he can "land".  But that girl dumped him almost immediately after he took her on a trip, when he pressed her to meet in her hometown.  Yes, it could be a conflict in personalities, and we can only go by what Trench has shared.  But "buying spree" tourist trips with foreign men are not uncommon in Ukraine, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Rosco on December 01, 2020, 12:51:41 PM
I am referring to Ukraine.  There have been surveys on this.  Order of preference for emigration:

1.  Germany
2.  Poland
3.  USA
4.  Canada
5.  Italy

The UK is far down the list, not even in the top 10.

For actual emigration, outside of FSU countries, Poland, Czechia, the USA, Canada, and Italy, are the primary destinations of Ukrainian emigres.

Interestingly my ex from Ukraine now runs a dating service and is pretty active on Instagram. She had been trying to get me on live chat with her to talk about dating Ukrainian girls but it wasn’t for me.

Anyway, she held a small scale survey with the girls on her site and they overwhelming preferred European & British over North America.

Personally I think it depends more on the couple but I’m sure location matters to some.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 01, 2020, 01:00:51 PM
I am not referring to women seeking foreign men.  I am referring to Ukrainians who wish to emigrate under their own steam.
Title: Re: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 01, 2020, 03:16:48 PM
Trench has been slaughtered on this thread. Even had his ex girlfriend somewhat called a whore, i firmly believe she was interested in Trench, not in love, but wanted to explore it. Normal for a man to buy clothes for a girl, yes in ukraine/russia guys spend nearly all the money they have on their girlfriends. FOr a westerner, £50 dress isn't going to break our banks, and no girl will sleep with a guy several times each week, so she can get a little gift here and there.
Title: Re: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 01, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
Trench complained for months about spending money on the girl.  He met her once in Kyiv, and then a second time on a trip to Cyprus.  He complained also that when they were in Cyprus, she ordered food and then didn't eat it.  He complained that she wouldn't meet him in Kherson.  When he pressed her for that meeting, she dumped him.  It was shortly after their trip to Cyprus.  So yeah, the timing is a little suspect.  It was never about the money, which none of us would know about, but for Trench's numerous posts complaining about how much he spent on clothing and make up.  It was about her dumping him thereafter.


I do wish Trench happiness.  I hope he finds someone who loves him,  Everyone deserves love.  But, I really don't think he is going to find it in Ukraine, and I think he should broaden his search parameters.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 04:19:34 PM
I asked her, but she just gives me a smile and a kiss as she wanders off into the kitchen to make us dinner.

:D
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2020, 04:50:22 PM

Trench continually uses that girl as an example of what he can "land".  But that girl dumped him almost immediately after he took her on a trip, when he pressed her to meet in her hometown.  Yes, it could be a conflict in personalities, and we can only go by what Trench has shared.  But "buying spree" tourist trips with foreign men are not uncommon in Ukraine, unfortunately.

Trench is Trench he and his past girlfriend are totally unrelated to FSU Wives
getting fat (or not) later in life, he pollutes threads with his off topic comments.


I started a new thread called
"Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?"
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24907.new#new

Title: Re: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 04:53:29 PM
Trench has been slaughtered on this thread. Even had his ex girlfriend somewhat called a whore, i firmly believe she was interested in Trench, not in love, but wanted to explore it. Normal for a man to buy clothes for a girl, yes in ukraine/russia guys spend nearly all the money they have on their girlfriends. FOr a westerner, £50 dress isn't going to break our banks, and no girl will sleep with a guy several times each week, so she can get a little gift here and there.

Thanks Japs that's about it. The complaining Boe referred to was me trying to make sense of the situation as it was a weird one. Over the preceding years I learnt a lot about life in Ukraine and got a good enough idea of what went on. Some posters on here reckoned I shouldn't have bothered trying to understand it and move on. To me that is like telling someone to continue to fumble around in the dark and hope you come good. I would rather work out what happened so I can understand the culture and girls better out there. That I believe serves me better in the future and I'm pleased I kept seeking the truth until I got the answers I was after its really helped me evolve instead of staying an ignorant newbie fumbling around in someone else's game.

Anyway, it ended as she wanted to come see me in the UK, but I wanted to see her in Ukraine first after the Cyprus trip. She failed to understand for a young girl who worked in retail with no ties such as kids to go back to in Ukraine it would be virtually impossible for her to get a visa to the UK. Numerous posters backed me up on this, and rarely even for me Mobers did as well. Even had I gone ahead with the visa I would have had to stump up more money to put in her bank account so she could show she had money to support herself while here, even though it would still likely fail anyway.

She held it against me that I had 'promised' her that she come come to the UK after Cyprus and accused me of being a married man and all sorts of heinous accusations that are not true. In fairness I did state 'I think' that she could come to the UK but didn't realise that she had taken it such ardent terms. I never realised there wasn't any scope in her mind to do anything in between, that it had to be then, and done by way of tourist visa.

I think to some extent there may have been a bit of a cultural difference there. FSW can be very direct and matter of fact. In essence they probably line up with northerners (in England) more in their blunt outlook and sticking by what you say. Having grown up as a southerner (in England) I tend to be more socialized into their not being any concrete set in stone decisions just stuff that is talked about and that either evolves to it coming into fruition by taking steps towards it or it later being rethought. That's not to say I wouldn't stick with something if I knew it meant so much or am in any way intentionally misleading it more just the way the thought process works her me.

Anyway surface to say I think mutual distrust built up as the (short) relationship went on and it killed it off. She gave an ultimatum that unless I agree then she will not meet me in Kherson. I could have tried for a visa that would have failed and spent a few hundred more pounds in a futile effort but thought it's not great when she is like that so it's not looking likely that it will work. Anyway, she got the hump with that and it ended.

Some posters reckon she might have finished it after the UK visit (or attempted visit). They might be correct or who knows she might have fled on arrival and just wanted me to gain entry to the UK. That would have left me with an embarrassing situation with Immigration. She did seem very interested in coming to the UK and pressed me a lot in messages after Cyprus about it. I tried explaining a lot about how Immigration aren't likely to grant it but she wouldn't accept it. So to this day I'm not sure, it could be many reasons why she wanted to come, I would just be guessing at that. For that one only she knows but in my book if you love someone you don't just walk away you try and make a go off it and accept any efforts the other party is making even if they can't at that specific point in time match up to what was originally decided.
Title: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
Thanks Japs that's about it.

Did you marry her and did she get fat?

NO? Then you are way off topic.
Title: Re: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 01, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
Thanks Japs that's about it. The complaining Boe referred to was me trying to make sense of the situation as it was a weird one.

You have no idea what guys are doing to charm women. I had guys on here tell me they used their intellect, but reality was they were on sugar babe sites, where girls are looking for sugar daddies to go abroad. Beo said something that she knows Ukrainian men , and how they date. She doesn't, only one that does, is the women.

I will tell you a funny story, my fiance's ex had a 10cm penis , he told her (after they had sex many times), that him and his friends measured their penis, and he had the biggest one of them all , 19cm. I burst out laughing when she told me, and she was laughing in confusion. Not only do men probably lie to beo, they lie to themselves, they end up believing their own lies.

How many ukrainian men do you think go back to their parents and say 'mama , papa, i lied to a girl that i would support her, be a provider, so i could get laid'

THere is a reason why FSUW have an entitled mindset, it wasn't created by foreigners, it was created by the FSU males. Buying a £50 dress, and paying for a meal, for a girl you slept with several times each week, is far from her seeing you as her prostitution client. The FSU males are trying their best to make their girlfriends happy, they are spending most of their salary.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 01, 2020, 05:36:29 PM
Wrong.  I know a lot of UM - cousins, friends, former neighbours, and their children.  Cousin's children in Kyiv were both recently married.  Neither supported a date, ever.  The thought would not cross their minds.  I have specifically asked about this among friends. 

Now, UM will do things like pay for cabfare home (if they have the money).  They will even do this for female friends, if they have the money.  If they are buying anything, it isn't motivated by sex.  It's about caring for the woman.  That's always been the case.

If you think that mothers, even neighbours, don't know what's going on, then you know little of Ukrainian society.

All your post tells me is that you are "hanging out" with the lower dregs of Ukrainian society.

Ask the spouses of male posters here, how many of their children were supporting a woman, or being supported by a man?  Bill's wife has a daughter younger than you, recently married.  Perhaps he can tell us if her fiance was supporting her financially before they married "in order to get laid".
Title: Re: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 05:52:59 PM
Did you marry her and did she get fat?

NO? Then you are way off topic.

True, so back on topic I just had a brainwave for Japs :D What about he just stumps up for the girl to get her stomach stapled, or similar, problem of getting fat solved there in one fell swoop. I know there are risks with surgery but odds are with the advancement of technology its getting less risky as time goes on.
Title: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
True, so back on topic I just had a brainwave for Japs :D What about he just stumps up for the girl to get her stomach stapled, or similar, problem of getting fat solved there in one fell swoop. I know there are risks with surgery but odds are with the advancement of technology its getting less risky as time goes on.

Better yet, really get to know the woman that you marry. There are many
women who physical fitness is important to them and they aren't that
difficult to find and pursue only them. The stomach staple is a radical
procedure for people who are morbidly or approaching moridly obesity.

No non-quack doctor will put a stomach staple in a slightly overweight woman.
They will send them to counseling with a nutritionist, a physical trainer, etc. 

Japtats is sort of a gym rat, he shouldn't find it difficult to find a girl gym rat.
(Guess where you find them).

You want a solution that would work?
Sign up for ballroom dancing. 98.9% of Russian girls will go ball room dancing
with you every day. 97.4% of Russian girls will go nature hiking with you. 96%
will put on a bikini and go swimming with you.

Russian women LOVE a man of action, so be a man of action!!




Title: Re: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: fathertime on December 01, 2020, 06:19:52 PM
True, so back on topic I just had a brainwave for Japs :D What about he just stumps up for the girl to get her stomach stapled,   
I just had a brainwave too.  You should tell the babes if they get their stomach stapled you will get your mouth stapled!   
Just kidding, I like your posts! 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 06:26:55 PM
I just had a brainwave too.  You should tell the babes if they get their stomach stapled you will get your mouth stapled!   
Just kidding, I like your posts! 

Fathertime!

Lol ;D
Title: Re: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 01, 2020, 06:27:48 PM

Japtats is sort of a gym rat, he shouldn't find it difficult to find a girl gym rat.
(Guess where you find them).


You want a solution that would work?
Sign up for ballroom dancing. 98.9% of Russian girls will go ball room dancing
with you every day. 97.4% of Russian girls will go nature hiking with you. 96%
will put on a bikini and go swimming with you.

Russian women LOVE a man of action, so be a man of action!!

That sounds like good advice to me Bill :)
Title: Re: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: mhr7 on December 01, 2020, 07:35:55 PM
You want a solution that would work?
Sign up for ballroom dancing. 98.9% of Russian girls will go ball room dancing
with you every day. 97.4% of Russian girls will go nature hiking with you. 96%
will put on a bikini and go swimming with you.

Russian women LOVE a man of action, so be a man of action!!

I have to disagree with those numbers Bill. I think 99.1% will go nature hiking and, just from my experience, only 84.8% will opt for that bikini. Older girls (40+) may go with a one-piece.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 02, 2020, 12:08:19 AM
Not experienced a one piece costume yet...In Sochi, they are rare, even for babushki )

SC's mates are mostly in the late forties to early 60's...


Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 02, 2020, 02:50:33 AM
Wrong.  I know a lot of UM - cousins, friends, former neighbours, and their children.  Cousin's children in Kyiv were both recently married.  Neither supported a date, ever.  The thought would not cross their minds.  I have specifically asked about this among friends. 

Now, UM will do things like pay for cabfare home (if they have the money).  They will even do this for female friends, if they have the money.  If they are buying anything, it isn't motivated by sex.  It's about caring for the woman.  That's always been the case.


Well , when looking at my ex fiance date, asking the girls i dated , their friends, and what their boyfriends tell them, it is the case. Guys promise and shower, and spoil the girls. The the 'evil' foreigners come along, play the game that ukrainian men have played, but only difference, is we deliver. No promises, only actions. Why do you think i had multiple women break down in hysteria infront of me, crying their eyes out when i ended it with them?

Also if they were REAL men , they would care about ALL human beings. The homeless people on the streets, buy them a meal. Not the humans that are just women. We live in a world where a lot of people need care, far more than just females. Sounds like again, they are trying to impress WOMEN.


If you think that mothers, even neighbours, don't know what's going on, then you know little of Ukrainian society.


Believe me, they don't know what their daughters are doing behind closed doors. Nobody truly knows anything



All your post tells me is that you are "hanging out" with the lower dregs of Ukrainian society.


I noticed you are a very typical eastern european mentality, where class, money, education means everything, when matter of fact showing compassion and kindness to those in need (not just women), working hard (no matter how much you earn), is more valuable traits.

I remember a girl i dated, we ordered food, she showed me the profile pic of the guy delivering our food , he was flexing his $500 car, and she laughed and said 'this is why i don't like ukrainian guys'. I told her what was the issue? He worked hard, did orders,s aved up, bought a car and is proud of his hard work. Nobody should judge people based on their class, wealth and such. But rather on their work ethic.

That is the ifference between the Western and Eastern european mentality, we don't see classes, wealth, or education, but people instead.

Ask the spouses of male posters here, how many of their children were supporting a woman, or being supported by a man?  Bill's wife has a daughter younger than you, recently married.  Perhaps he can tell us if her fiance was supporting her financially before they married "in order to get laid".

All women are different, some women are simple women, some have men by their finger tips, playing them like puppets because they have temporary beauty . hence why i tell guys, you can find hot 30-40 year olds, eager to settle down, as their looks is fading, and they realise they don't have long left.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: msmob on December 02, 2020, 02:59:46 AM
Japats, your constant mistake is you cannot understand what is actually being said....

Most blokes in  their forties, fifties and even  sixties ( speaking from greater  experience) know that some FSU W wear well physically and  are in no rush to settle for the
first western man to visit

 Your generalisations, over a very short period of FSU experience, are clear to old gits.


Title: Re: Did you marry her and did she get fat?
Post by: 2tallbill on December 02, 2020, 06:08:48 AM
I have to disagree with those numbers Bill. I think 99.1% will go nature hiking and, just from my experience, only 84.8% will opt for that bikini. Older girls (40+) may go with a one-piece.

Your numbers might be more recent, my numbers were based on my
experience +7 years ago, but don't include any trips to Greek Islands
where they tend to go only with bikini bottoms.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 02, 2020, 01:43:46 PM
Japats, your constant mistake is you cannot understand what is actually being said....


I understand, i just don't agree with you, if someone like for example ML says something, i listen, because he is very logical. Why would i listen to you? You have a very bad track record, your 'advice' contradicts your past experiences. I would advice anyone listening to you, to be very careful.


Most blokes in  their forties, fifties and even  sixties ( speaking from greater  experience) know that some FSU W wear well physically and  are in no rush to settle for the
first western man to visit


You are a very odd, and delusional individual, who has trouble accepting things.





 Your generalisations, over a very short period of FSU experience, are clear to old gits.

My generalisations, are ones that i have actually experienced. Are you me? No, your highlight of the month, is collecting your pension , struggling to buy air tickets for your wife. Your generalisations, are just different from mine, i have the scope to date older, and younger women. Your scope doesn't reach mine. We lived and will live very different lives. Your mindset is really weak, you are a bully, too scared to grow. Looking for loop holes to avoid rolling up your sleeves

Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 02, 2020, 02:15:31 PM
Well , when looking at my ex fiance date, asking the girls i dated , their friends, and what their boyfriends tell them, it is the case. Guys promise and shower, and spoil the girls. The the 'evil' foreigners come along, play the game that ukrainian men have played, but only difference, is we deliver. No promises, only actions. Why do you think i had multiple women break down in hysteria infront of me, crying their eyes out when i ended it with them?

Yes, but the point is, only a certain level of the society plays those games.  I have asked this question many times of male relatives, asked a recently married cousin (son of cousin), who just turned 30.  His response was "Of course not.  I never dated (derogatory term)."

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Also if they were REAL men , they would care about ALL human beings. The homeless people on the streets, buy them a meal. Not the humans that are just women. We live in a world where a lot of people need care, far more than just females. Sounds like again, they are trying to impress WOMEN.

You're in the wrong country for that.

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Believe me, they don't know what their daughters are doing behind closed doors. Nobody truly knows anything

If a daughter is coming home with perfume, clothing, a cell phone, etc., her Ukrainian mother knows exactly what she's doing.  She can't hide any of that.  Don't kid yourself.

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I noticed you are a very typical eastern european mentality, where class, money, education means everything, when matter of fact showing compassion and kindness to those in need (not just women), working hard (no matter how much you earn), is more valuable traits.

No, I don't have an Eastern European mentality.  I didn't grow up in Eastern Europe.  I grew up in Canada, and have the mentality of my country.  Furthermore, my ancestors emigrated from a region of Ukraine before it was the USSR.  My better half also doesn't have a Soviet mentality.  Had he had one, his life there would have been far, far easier. 

The mentality you are encountering in Ukraine is very much influenced by the Soviet Union, a country foreign to my ancestors.  Furthermore, it's based on who you are mixing with there.  You also are wrong about what matters to me.  You don't know me.  It's obvious from this comment that you understand nothing of what I value.  I grew up (in childhood) dirt poor.  My parents came from farms, so we always had enough food, but I remember going to school in November in shoes and a light spring coat (when it was -2C outside), as my parents couldn't afford to buy me a winter coat.  I attended an inner city school (in North America, these are poor neighbourhoods), where all of the children were also poor.  Many of my classmates from that time are now dead - some from criminal lives, others from drug overdoses, others drank themselves to death.  Many of course did grow up to live normal lives, married, had children, ran businesses, etc.

Class is a foreign concept to me, as it to most Canadians. Canada is a relatively classless society.  We do value wealth, but the position to which you were born is irrelevant.  It doesn't matter where you started.  But, unlike Americans, we tend to cut the "tall poppy".  It's ok to have some wealth, but if you are too rich, or too smart for that matter, and show it, we tend to cut you down. 

I do value education, but it doesn't have to be a formal education.  My most successful client grew up dirt poor, worked in a trade, and built a $50 million business selling supplies in his business.  He started in his trade before any formal education was required.  I admire him greatly, and he has no formal education, is a little rough around the edges, dresses in off the rack clothing, and drives a nice, but rather ordinary, pick up truck.  He had enough self education to be good at his trade, and to build a business that serviced that trade.  My biggest client develops real estate.  They have a portfolio worth about $300 million, but they're leveraged, so their net worth is less.  I couldn't tell you what the value is currently.  It's two partners.  One of them is university educated, the other has a high school education, and started running businesses straight out of high school.  I value them, not only as clients, but as friends.
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I remember a girl i dated, we ordered food, she showed me the profile pic of the guy delivering our food , he was flexing his $500 car, and she laughed and said 'this is why i don't like ukrainian guys'. I told her what was the issue? He worked hard, did orders,s aved up, bought a car and is proud of his hard work. Nobody should judge people based on their class, wealth and such. But rather on their work ethic.


You misunderstand the society.  People there buy flashy things mostly to show off.  They think it proves they are better than the next guy.

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That is the ifference between the Western and Eastern european mentality, we don't see classes, wealth, or education, but people instead.


LOL.  Right (sarcasm).  The UK, with a royal family and hereditary titles, coupled with inherited estates, where even your accent can be judged, is the epitome of a "classless society".
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 02, 2020, 03:11:06 PM

I do value education, but it doesn't have to be a formal education.  My most successful client grew up dirt poor, worked in a trade, and built a $50 million business selling supplies in his business.  He started in his trade before any formal education was required.  I admire him greatly, and he has no formal education, is a little rough around the edges, dresses in off the rack clothing, and drives a nice, but rather ordinary, pick up truck.  He had enough self education to be good at his trade, and to build a business that serviced that trade.  My biggest client develops real estate.  They have a portfolio worth about $300 million, but they're leveraged, so their net worth is less.  I couldn't tell you what the value is currently.  It's two partners.  One of them is university educated, the other has a high school education, and starting running businesses straight out of high school.  I value them, not only as clients, but as friends.

We really do speak two different languages. You went on talking about your financially biggest clients, what i value is people who risk their wealth to help others. More like Elon Musk and such, my brother who left a career he was on track to make 6 figures to join me. But i guess for you, these people don't mean much, until they generate millions, and then are acknowledged for their efforts. We really see people and the world differently, you won't comprehend the philosophy i admire. You are stuck in the net worth, education, classes mindset, i am stuck in the sacrifices, working through tough times , trying to help the world mindset. We admire very different people.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 02, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
Thank you for missing the point.  It wasn't about the money.  It was about building something, from the ground up, with or without an education. 


I don't value money, beyond wanting to live a relatively comfortable life.  I could have been very wealthy, but I valued raising our children more than a successful career.  I suspect you didn't know that, nor can understand it.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 02, 2020, 04:10:35 PM
Thank you for missing the point.  It wasn't about the money.  It was about building something, from the ground up, with or without an education. 


Again, you don't understand what i value. You value building something to a monetary value, something i noticed when discussing certain things with you. what i value is the lives that you actually changed, not how many millions you have in the end. Millions made is fun, cool, building a big tower, but knowing you changed peoples lives in such a way that nobody else could, is a much more heart warming feeling.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: mhr7 on December 02, 2020, 04:15:35 PM
eastern european mentality, where class, money, education means everything

I think education is very important but I haven't noticed that class and money are everything to Russian women. Family is extremely important.

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Also if they were REAL men , they would care about ALL human beings. The homeless people on the streets, buy them a meal. Not the humans that are just women. We live in a world where a lot of people need care, far more than just females. Sounds like again, they are trying to impress WOMEN.
'Real' men have limits on their money. I give money to babushkas holding their bag or cup and it isn't done to impress women.

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Believe me, they don't know what their daughters are doing behind closed doors. Nobody truly knows anything
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Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 02, 2020, 04:22:27 PM

Again, you don't understand what i value. You value building something to a monetary value, something i noticed when discussing certain things with you. what i value is the lives that you actually changed, not how many millions you have in the end. Millions made is fun, cool, building a big tower, but knowing you changed peoples lives in such a way that nobody else could, is a much more heart warming feeling.

How many times do I have to say it?  I don't value money.  Money has the character of whoever is holding it.  I do value a comfortable life, though, and I can only have one, in my society, with a certain amount of money, though it's not much.  I had three children to raise, and I, not my husband, was their primary means of support.  Tell me how I could have done this without money, in my country.

You don't know what I value.  You don't know how I grew up, what or how I lived, what my life experiences have been, not even what I am living now, beyond what I choose to share.  For example, I have had four near death experiences, one, with a significant amount of time hospitalized, and a convalescence of well over a year, all with 3 children under 4 years of age.  I am now caring for a severely ill parent, who has no hope of an improvement in health.  I've lost many people I loved (well over a dozen), some died natural deaths, others did not.  Face these things, as a starter, and then tell me that you will guide your life by money.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 02, 2020, 04:52:01 PM
Tell me how I could have done this without money, in my country.

 Face these things, as a starter, and then tell me that you will guide your life by money.

I never said no money is needed, again a strawman attempt. Hopefully this response won't be deleted. We all have and had different struggles. I am not saying mine was harder than yours, but you know the life i had, where at 29 i couldn't afford to do a lot of stuff with women. I had to take metros when with women, back home and in FSU. Couldn't afford to go out much, when dating we lived on budgets, again in FSU and West.

So now when i buy a girl a perfume, her dress, it is not because she requested it, but because of the struggles i went through, and now being able to treat someone, and see them smile. Being able to order a taxi for her and me and not think twice about it. Being able to order food daily, and again, seeing a girl smile. I would get laid regardless, i did it before. But i because of the struggles i had, i enjoy doing things that maybe your relatives won't understand.

You can judge me all you want, about actions i took, fact is, i was offered 4000 euros a month to work in moscow, and didn't do it, stuck to my business earning at the time less than even 1000 euros a month, working 100 hours a week, because it helped people. My brother left his job, to help me, we don't really care about classes, education level, how big someone's $300 million empire is. We care about the contribution and sacrifices made, not to just family members, or a 20 year old girl (Hinting at your prior comment of Ukrainian men treating their female friends), but to a random person you will never meet, and making their life easier. That is what really mtters, and that is why me and you will never understand each other, as we speak very different languages, and admire very different things.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: Boethius on December 02, 2020, 05:01:28 PM
I'm not judging you, and why do you think your post would be deleted?  Posts that are attacks on other posters, or comment on moderation are deleted.  That's about all.


Handing money to people usually doesn't change their lives for the better.


You are aware that the contributions most millionaires and billionaires make is primarily because they get huge tax breaks for establishing foundations, right?  It isn't because they are all great people.  I think Bill Gates is an outlier in this respect, but even he and his wife, who have funded life changing charities, and now devote all their time to those charities, still live a very lavish life.
Title: Re: Did your wife gain extra mass after marriage?
Post by: japtats on December 02, 2020, 05:50:16 PM
I'm not judging you, and why do you think your post would be deleted?  Posts that are attacks on other posters, or comment on moderation are deleted.  That's about all.


Handing money to people usually doesn't change their lives for the better.


You are aware that the contributions most millionaires and billionaires make is primarily because they get huge tax breaks for establishing foundations, right?  It isn't because they are all great people.  I think Bill Gates is an outlier in this respect, but even he and his wife, who have funded life changing charities, and now devote all their time to those charities, still live a very lavish life.


There is a lot of people in the world who make a sacrifice to help strangers , and devote their lives to it . But they don't have the 300 million dollar empire , or bill gates wealth , so you miss these people and what they do.

Just like the guy with the 500 dollar car , their hard work and sacrifice is missed and sometimes laughed at . But if they had the monetary wealth that you and others admire , that is when they get their recognition.

I don't need to admire their wealth, class or education , to see their efforts .