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Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« on: October 31, 2014, 02:10:02 AM »
I was going through a lonely period in my life, and was looking for a life partner after experiencing a horrendous dating/relationship life in my home country. One of the dating sites I joined was "Elena's Models", a website specialising in Eastern European women. I started corresponding with a girl named "Svetlana Osipova" from a small town in Russia called Saratov. We wrote to watch other weekly, and after a few months of correspondence, I decided to fly over to Russia and meet up with her, what unfolded next was a nightmare.

I really wish I did a search on this girl, as reports are written about her all over the internet.

Her name is Svetlana Osipova, and she is from Russia, in a city called Saratov.

I met this girl from an online dating website, and flew over to Saratov to meet up with her from San Francisco.

I initially was about to book a hotel for myself online, but she insisted that she could get a cheaper place for me in Saratov as she had connections. I intended to stay for 8 days. She said all up the apartment she got for me would cost 500 USDs, when I got there she asked for what was the equivalent of about 930 USDs, telling me the price went up due to the unpredictable economy (Russia had troops in Crimea at the time). The first mistake I made.

My better judgement told me something was not right, straight away though Svetlana dressed erotically and was making all these sexual advancements towards me that made me drop my guard. She ended up showing me around the city whilst coming back to my apartment every night and having absolutely wild sex.

Then on the 7th night, I came back to my apartment with her, ordered some food, answered the door, only to be confronted with 2 angry thugs. Svetlana started screaming at me hysterically, saying that I raped her over the last several days. For some stupid reason I told her I had 8500 dollars in cash on me, which she demanded I give her. After that, she took my key card, got my pin number, and went outside as I was left in the apartment with the 2 thugs. Luckily I had a withdrawl limit of 1500, which she ended up taking out the equivalent of in Rubles.

She left that night saying that if I informed the police of what happened, she’d get the thugs to give her bruises on her body, and counter claim that I raped her.

I was in a dodgy, lawless country, scared about the notion of being locked up in some dirty, rotten Russian jail for the next 10 or so years, and decided to just cut my losses and fly back to the states the next day.

Please guys be careful of this girl. She will write all these letters to you, saying she’s looking for a husband and wants nothing more than to be a house wife and have children. That’s a bunch of lies, she is setting you up to be emotionally invested in her, so she can extort money off you. Guys, be very wary of her! She takes scamming to a whole new level. Don’t make the same mistake me and some other guy made.

Her details are as follow:

Name: Svetlana Aleksandrovna Osipova

Email: lana.va-lana@yandex.ru (Last known)

Country: Russia

City: Saratov

Address: Navashina 28-39, Saratov, Saratov Region

Phone Number: +7 937 637-31-13

Elena's Model Profile ID: E5937534

I don't know for sure if these details are still current. I know for sure she has changed her email address, and I has scammed a couple of other men via Western Union and airfare scams, although for much lesser amounts.



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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2014, 03:46:09 AM »
Crap, she did a number on you.  :o

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2014, 04:52:31 AM »
I am very sorry what had happened to you.  It is not the 1st time I've heard similar story.   Recently, an American man went to Ukraine to meet a woman only to leave him beaten to death by two thugs.

Have you reported this to the police, or something like that?
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2014, 07:28:47 AM »
I initially was about to book a hotel for myself online, but she insisted that she could get a cheaper place for me in Saratov as she had connections. I intended to stay for 8 days. She said all up the apartment she got for me would cost 500 USDs, when I got there she asked for what was the equivalent of about 930 USDs

For 8 days, her original price $500 US is still very expensive let alone changing into $930 US.

You can find an apartment from any trustable person for less than $400 if you use the airbnb.com website.

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2014, 08:28:43 AM »
I am very sorry what had happened to you.  It is not the 1st time I've heard similar story.   Recently, an American man went to Ukraine to meet a woman only to leave him beaten to death by two thugs.

Have you reported this to the police, or something like that?

After the whole ordeal, I just wanted to leave Russia and fly out. The fear of dealing with the dodgy Russian legal system, and ending up in prison scared the crap out of me. In hindsight, I should have marched myself straight into the Russian Embassy in Moscow and told them what happened.

I have subsequently reported it to the Russian police, they have gotten a statement from her, but she claimed I gave her the money and haven't done anything about it. (Why the heck would I give someone 10 thousand dollars for nothing?) The whole thing is a headache, and has turned into a "He say, she say" ordeal.

But alas, this is something I'm in the process leaving behind and just thanking my lucky stars that I didn't end up dead. I personally just feel obligated to report this, so that other guys can avoid her and having to experience what I did.

Despite this hapoening though, I have no regrets about pursuing women from the FSU. I met my fiance through international romance, and hope to share my story and help other guys trying to find their life partner via this avenue as well.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2014, 04:58:41 PM by Rembrandt »


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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2014, 09:03:00 AM »
As you were saying that you stayed in an apartment that came from the girl?   Your name not registered?   So you should've made big damage in the apartment and made her paying for them  LOL
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2014, 04:34:43 PM »
First : this girl seems very young. I would never approach any girl around 18, this one is perhaps less than 18. I don't know about the law for sexual relationship with non adult, but it can put you in trouble.
You have been lucky to not have been beaten. When it starts to be connected with criminals, in such countries .... it can turn to the worse.
As usual people come in FSU with not even a clue about the average russian month income and fall very quickly into any pitfalls.
Regarding this story (please consider that i have also suffered from such scam endeavor with appartment, but the alarm rang so loudly the firsts hours that i threat "the owner" to leave the first day and i negociated the price to the normal fee)
I also consider that is is not really safe to put all eggs in one bracket by visiting ONE girl in a very distant country. And of course you manage your transport, your appartment by yourself and meet her where she lives (in the city you have choosen as main target).

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2014, 05:08:59 PM »
First : this girl seems very young. I would never approach any girl around 18, this one is perhaps less than 18. I don't know about the law for sexual relationship with non adult, but it can put you in trouble.
You have been lucky to not have been beaten. When it starts to be connected with criminals, in such countries .... it can turn to the worse.
As usual people come in FSU with not even a clue about the average russian month income and fall very quickly into any pitfalls.
Regarding this story (please consider that i have also suffered from such scam endeavor with appartment, but the alarm rang so loudly the firsts hours that i threat "the owner" to leave the first day and i negociated the price to the normal fee)
I also consider that is is not really safe to put all eggs in one bracket by visiting ONE girl in a very distant country. And of course you manage your transport, your appartment by yourself and meet her where she lives (in the city you have choosen as main target).

Patagonie, I am well aware of the enormous stupidity of my mistake and just how naive I was. I consider myself "lucky" not to have been beaten up or dead.

Well, in regards to age, that depends how old the guy is. She's 19 and I was 30 at the time of meeting her. I read on most websites with FSU women, a 10-15 year age gap is common and accepted.


As you were saying that you stayed in an apartment that came from the girl?   Your name not registered?   So you should've made big damage in the apartment and made her paying for them  LOL

That is an excellent point. I actually don't know whose name it was registered in, at the risk of being berated or mocked again, I just met her at Saratov train station--took the scenic route from Pivalevsky station in Moscow, the only pleasant experience of the trip--and caught the taxi with her to the apartment. It certainly wasn't registered in my name that's for sure.

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2014, 05:19:44 PM »
A 10 or 15 year age gap is not common among FSU couples.   MOB sites will claim otherwise in fueling the fantasy.


For anyone who gets into such a situation in Russia, I would recommend going to the police.  The penalty for shakedowns is quite severe.  Assuming you did not have sex with this girl, how was she going to prove rape?

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2014, 07:26:48 PM »
A 10 or 15 year age gap is not common among FSU couples.   MOB sites will claim otherwise in fueling the fantasy.


For anyone who gets into such a situation in Russia, I would recommend going to the police.  The penalty for shakedowns is quite severe.  Assuming you did not have sex with this girl, how was she going to prove rape?

In his 6th statement above he wrote this:
She ended up showing me around the city whilst coming back to my apartment every night and having absolutely wild sex.


It seems that she knew the law and was prepared to try to send him to prison if he tried to turn her in.


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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2014, 08:49:59 AM »
In his 6th statement above he wrote this:
She ended up showing me around the city whilst coming back to my apartment every night and having absolutely wild sex.


It seems that she knew the law and was prepared to try to send him to prison if he tried to turn her in.

Where was the scam.....he got the wild sex and she got the money....they each got something.
Maybe in some diluted minds the repercussions of one's actions are never thought about!!
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2014, 11:23:07 AM »
Where was the scam.....he got the wild sex and she got the money....they each got something.
Maybe in some diluted minds the repercussions of one's actions are never thought about!!
 ie: little head- big head

On every forum there is a member with a convoluted way of thinking, who uses ad hominems instead of logic. I've met many people like that, and I can't help but to feel sorry for them. Best of luck in your journey finding an FSU lady.

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2014, 12:50:51 PM »
On every forum there is a member with a convoluted way of thinking, who uses ad hominems instead of logic. I've met many people like that, and I can't help but to feel sorry for them. Best of luck in your journey finding an FSU lady.

Oh I don't know....my convoluted thinking NEVER got me into the position you were in, I'd like to think my 'logic' kept me from women like that you came into contact with. I have heard many stories but not many in your position. I am glad you came out of that situation for the better.
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2014, 02:35:30 PM »
It clearly was a scam and for a lot of money as well.  That said Rembrandt had very little time to decide what to do and the possibility of prison and harm to himself was hanging in the balance.  What's important is not only did he learn from this lesson he picked himself up and succeeded when most (myself included) would have breathed a large sigh of relief and forever been done with the idea of it all.  It's easy for armchair quarterbacks to make criticisms but most can learn from what he posted and we should be very thankful for that.

Thanks Rembrandt for having the courage to share this story.
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2014, 05:46:05 PM »
Oh I don't know....my convoluted thinking NEVER got me into the position you were in, I'd like to think my 'logic' kept me from women like that you came into contact with. I have heard many stories but not many in your position. I am glad you came out of that situation for the better.

It never got you a woman either. You're right, maybe it's not your way of thinking, but personality that's holding you back. How many times have you been to the FSU exactly, between 4 and 10? And how many years have you been looking for? Is your persoanlity that transparent and repulsive to women? I hope you understand that it's not hard to insult and find faults with others. Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others - of which i'm willing to admit I've done. The mature thing is to support and help each other on this common journey we've bith decided to take.

BTW, I actually meant what I said about the best of luck in your journey. Upon re-reading it, I realised it could have come off as being sarcastic, that was not my intention.
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2014, 06:01:05 PM »
It clearly was a scam and for a lot of money as well.  That said Rembrandt had very little time to decide what to do and the possibility of prison and harm to himself was hanging in the balance.  What's important is not only did he learn from this lesson he picked himself up and succeeded when most (myself included) would have breathed a large sigh of relief and forever been done with the idea of it all.  It's easy for armchair quarterbacks to make criticisms but most can learn from what he posted and we should be very thankful for that.

Thanks Rembrandt for having the courage to share this story.

Yes, in hindsight it was clearly a scam. If anything, it just goes to show the importance of doing a little bit of research, instead of just deciding to "bite the bullet" and go. At the time I didn't want to procrastinate, alas, procrastination is what I should have done. Thanks for the support. It's inevitable when posting a scam that you'll get at least get some criticism. If anything, guys like LAman are important, cause at least he pointed out the danger of thinking with your little-head instead big one.

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2014, 06:23:59 PM »
Rembrant, you made several mistakes from the start. You misread her profile :
1. a decent girl of 19 will never look for such a big age gap ( may be, you --- and other AM for that matter-- think that American Exceptionalism applies to you in this context. Nope. Thomas Jefferson times are in the past. Well, you've learned the hard way). Hopefully, others will learn from your mistake.
2. An ivy league graduate was unable to analyse and evaluate the data ?  It only tells me your Ivy League diploma doesn't get you common sense, wisdom, the sense of reality. Oh yes, of course, it enables you  ( and many others) to live in a dream,  soar high, play your video games, watch fantasy during your leisure time,  be engrossed in your gadgets and consumerism. 
3. You sound a sex tourist to me. I regret that I said you were nice in a different topic. You're a sex tourist. And you got what you deserved : a scammer/prostitute to whom you didn't pay.
There is a Russian anecdote. A hussar is visiting a prostitute. When all was done and over, the girl addresses him :" ...and the money?" The hussar ( stroking his mustache), proudly : Hussars don't take the money!

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2014, 06:29:30 PM »
Yes, in hindsight it was clearly a scam. If anything, it just goes to show the importance of doing a little bit of research, instead of just deciding to "bite the bullet" and go. At the time I didn't want to procrastinate, alas, procrastination is what I should have done. Thanks for the support. It's inevitable when posting a scam that you'll get at least get some criticism. If anything, guys like LAman are important, cause at least he pointed out the danger of thinking with your little-head instead big one.

Rembrandt....I hope I did not sound too negative, I would rather be optimistic but in this endeavor being a realist is much more effective. I am not a 'pat on the back' guy, in this journey I have learned much more from a critic that may open my eyes. Yes, we all learn from experiences but knowledge (and realistic thinking) go a long way....the key word is learn.....

  I am always glad when someone finds what they are looking for....so for you (OP) I wish you good luck!!
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2014, 07:21:52 PM »
Rembrant, you made several mistakes from the start. You misread her profile :
1. a decent girl of 19 will never look for such a big age gap ( may be, you --- and other AM for that matter-- think that American Exceptionalism applies to you in this context. Nope. Thomas Jefferson times are in the past. Well, you've learned the hard way). Hopefully, others will learn from your mistake.
2. An ivy league graduate was unable to analyse and evaluate the data ?  It only tells me your Ivy League diploma doesn't get you common sense, wisdom, the sense of reality. Oh yes, of course, it enables you  ( and many others) to live in a dream,  soar high, play your video games, watch fantasy during your leisure time,  be engrossed in your gadgets and consumerism. 
3. You sound a sex tourist to me. I regret that I said you were nice in a different topic. You're a sex tourist. And you got what you deserved : a scammer/prostitute to whom you didn't pay.
There is a Russian anecdote. A hussar is visiting a prostitute. When all was done and over, the girl addresses him :" ...and the money?" The hussar ( stroking his mustache), proudly : Hussars don't take the money!

What a change! I'm willing to admit you're right about the lack of "streets smarts", I mean, what happened speaks for itself. And yes, video games unfortunately occupied a large part of my life. In terms of consumerism, you'd be surprised as to how little I have, and how barren my aprtment is. Sex tourist? Didn't mean to come off as that. I've never travelled to EE, South America or S.E. Asia before my first trip to Russia, I also I don't think a sex tourists would have proposed to a girl who he's now trying to figure out the required paperwork necessary to bring her over.

Yes, pursuing a girl that young was a BIG mistake! I took what Elena Petrova (the Elena's Model owner) said at face value when she stated a 10-15 year age gap was okay. I've now learnt that it isn't...from countless people. If you are aware of how the online dating system works, generally men send out expression of interests to women, and they reciprocate "Yes" or "No". 80% of girls say "No", so most guys mass send expression of interests, and then work with the ones who reciprocate back, from that, most girls don't respond to your letters. She was one of the few who responded back, and actually addressed the issue of the age gap.

There's no denying it was a mistake, and yes, I am well aware of the I.T. stereotype of lacking common-sense, something I know I'm guilty of. Ludmilla, I think you've tried to read "between the lines" and misinterpreted a few things. Being in the I.T. field, I know for sure you always need to take care when trying to assess someone's real personality, to how they appear online. Discrepancy between the online world and the real are always inevitable.

Didn't mean to offend you. If anything, I'm just like every other guy on this forum, trying to find love and companionship (I'm one of the lucky ones).
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2014, 07:29:33 PM »
Rembrandt....I hope I did not sound too negative, I would rather be optimistic but in this endeavor being a realist is much more effective. I am not a 'pat on the back' guy, in this journey I have learned much more from a critic that may open my eyes. Yes, we all learn from experiences but knowledge (and realistic thinking) go a long way....the key word is learn.....

  I am always glad when someone finds what they are looking for....so for you (OP) I wish you good luck!!

All good. If anything, I wish prior to this mistake I knew someone like you I could get advice from, instead of doing it alone. The signs were there as soon as I met her in Saratov, but it wasn't me ignoring them, I was more like a deer caught in the headlights and not knowing what to do.

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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2014, 07:59:12 PM »
Rembrant, you made several mistakes from the start. You misread her profile :
1. a decent girl of 19 will never look for such a big age gap ( may be, you --- and other AM for that matter-- think that American Exceptionalism applies to you in this context. Nope. Thomas Jefferson times are in the past. Well, you've learned the hard way). Hopefully, others will learn from your mistake.
2. An ivy league graduate was unable to analyse and evaluate the data ?  It only tells me your Ivy League diploma doesn't get you common sense, wisdom, the sense of reality. Oh yes, of course, it enables you  ( and many others) to live in a dream,  soar high, play your video games, watch fantasy during your leisure time,  be engrossed in your gadgets and consumerism. 
3. You sound a sex tourist to me. I regret that I said you were nice in a different topic. You're a sex tourist. And you got what you deserved : a scammer/prostitute to whom you didn't pay.
There is a Russian anecdote. A hussar is visiting a prostitute. When all was done and over, the girl addresses him :" ...and the money?" The hussar ( stroking his mustache), proudly : Hussars don't take the money!

What a truly horrible thing to write.  Nobody deserves such a thing. 
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2014, 08:39:40 PM »
 Sir, save your  ethics/ moralizing  teaching  effort for all your liberal -gay- Clintonesq--Obamaites-Eliotte Spitzer ( Governer of New York who spent taxpayers' money on prostitutes, etc etc and the like. Tell me if you want me to continue the list. I could. )
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Re: Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2014, 08:56:29 PM »
Sir, save your  ethics/ moralizing  teaching  effort for all your liberal -gay- Clintonesq--Obamaites-Eliotte Spitzer ( Governer of New York who spent taxpayers' money on prostitutes, etc etc and the like. Tell me if you want me to continue the list. I could. )
As to Rembrandt,  we are not kids  : in the end one pays his money and gets his thrills

You are a very confused person, as I have nothing to do with what you listed.  Yet quite frankly I'm certain now that all of those have better ethics than you do.  You apparently confuse the ethics of somebody doing something that you don't approve of, such as a gay person or a prostitute, with a real criminal who chose to rob a man of $10,000.00 and was prepared to have him beaten and sent to prison as well.  Shame on you. 

 

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