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Shto etta?
« on: November 25, 2017, 10:52:17 AM »
Лезгинка по-русски  "In Russian" I get. What is a Лезгинка?

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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 11:08:03 AM »
It means Folk Dance.
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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2017, 11:19:36 AM »
Thank you. It was in response to a youtube I posted,



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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 05:39:18 PM »
Лезгинка по-русски  "In Russian" I get. What is a Лезгинка?
I don't understand your question. Лезгинка is лезгинка.

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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2017, 06:49:40 PM »
It may refer to a language spoken by a small group of Georgians, Lezgia, which is also spoken in Dagestan and Azerbaijan.
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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2017, 07:18:27 PM »
Lezginka is a dance, common throughout the Caucuses.

shto - only used in Ukraine and Southern Russia. Russians say cho or chto.
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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2017, 08:25:06 PM »
"cho" is not the normative pronunciation .
When Russians say "what" it sounds like "shto", not "chto" though it is spelled "что".


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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2017, 09:02:09 PM »
"cho" is not the normative pronunciation .
When Russians say "what" it sounds like "shto", not "chto" though it is spelled "что".





That is how I heard/hear it. The "Cho" sound I was told by a Ukrainian woman from Lviv, is the way Ukrainians pronounce it. Russians understand it as 'What?' and know the person speaking it is probably an Ukrainian. So I was told by a Ukrainian.

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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2017, 09:17:05 PM »
Some Ukrainians say sho in Ukrainian colloquially, shto for chto if speaking Russian. If one were learning formal Ukrainian, the pronunciation in Ukrainian is shcho, not sho.

Here is a news report. Listen at around the time the reporter comes in, both the anchor and the reporter use a ch sound. It is softer than in English, but still evident.

http://russia.tv/video/show/brand_id/5403/episode_id/1568747/video_id/1702482/

Heres another one, male presenter.




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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2017, 05:10:08 AM »
This "male presenter" speaks with very good clear "pronunciation", his "what" does sound like SHTO, which is correct.
It is -SH-

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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2017, 03:58:50 PM »
Anyway ...

Maxx's vid performed by members of the Georgian National Ballet ..IF they come to a town / city near you - DO NOT MISS


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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2017, 04:28:49 PM »
Yet it is not a typical Lezginka

Here




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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2017, 10:59:32 AM »
This "male presenter" speaks with very good clear "pronunciation", his "what" does sound like SHTO, which is correct.
It is -SH-


LOL, listen to the reporter.  He is not saying 'sh".  Neither is the anchor.
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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2017, 11:08:15 AM »

LOL, listen to the reporter.  He is not saying 'sh".  Neither is the anchor.
What minute?
Regardless, I am Russian and I am a  Language Art teacher, so I know for sure that the correct (normative) way to say "what" is SHto. It is -SH-. SHO, CHto and cho are not acceptable. I have to admit that I know nothing about "formal Ukrainian" which is not what we are discussing here.

I am sure you "know better" )))

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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2017, 11:09:32 AM »
I studied Russian with world renowned linguists.  I suppose they don't know what they are talking about either.
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Re: Shto etta?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 05:24:36 AM »

My two cents...

Cho is a colloquial way to pronounce "chto" and it is very common in Siberia. I do it myself. Is it called a regional pronunciation?


Otherwise I typically hear softer shto when people pronounce "chto", very rarely hard sounding chto. Frankly, the latter sounds quite unnatural to me.  I don't know what the "correct" way to pronounce it is, I don't want to start a flame war, just reporting my Russian experience.


Lezginka is a folk dance which in my head typically associates with Georgia (Грузия).
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