The Propaganda War

[lordtiberius]

The President of the Confederacy knew the only path to victory was  international recognition.  People buy goods made from slave labor.

[Doll]

[Doll]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=joEbMy3Lt0Q#t=103

[Doll]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=joEbMy3Lt0Q#t=103

[Boethius]

Given that most posters here don't speak Russian, what is the point of all these Wagenknecht videos?

[Boethius]

Interesting that Ms Wagenknecht refers to the problematic popularity of fascist parties in the EU, but does not note that Russia is providing funds to those parties.

[Shadow]

Interesting that Ms Wagenknecht refers to the problematic popularity of fascist parties in the EU, but does not note that Russia is providing funds to those parties.

Evidence?

[Doll]

Interesting that Ms Wagenknecht refers to the problematic popularity of fascist parties in the EU, but does not note that Russia is providing funds to those parties.

[Boethius]

Evidence?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/russia-europe-right-putin-front-national-eu


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putins-farright-ambition-thinktank-reveals-how-russian-president-is-wooing--and-funding--populist-parties-across-europe-to-gain-influence-in-the-eu-9883052.html


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/11/26/from_russia_with_cash.html


http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies


You can find more here -
http://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=66WpVI3NDuLs8weUlIH4Cw#q=russia+funds+far+right+eu

[Boethius]

I don't disagree with her view of taking the illegitimate fortunes of oligarchs.  That applies to Russia, too.

[Boethius]

I disagree vehemently with her statement that Poroshenko does not wish to negotiate peace.  There is plenty of evidence to the contrary, including numerous ceasefires the terrorists have broken.

[Doll]

[Boethius]

Given that every poster here knows RT is a propaganda arm of the Russian government, do you really believe anyone here is going to be duped by anything it "reports" (and I use that term in its loosest sense)?

[Shadow]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/russia-europe-right-putin-front-national-eu


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putins-farright-ambition-thinktank-reveals-how-russian-president-is-wooing--and-funding--populist-parties-across-europe-to-gain-influence-in-the-eu-9883052.html


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/11/26/from_russia_with_cash.html


http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies


You can find more here -
http://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=66WpVI3NDuLs8weUlIH4Cw#q=russia+funds+far+right+eu

Thanks, the Front National issue slipped my mind.
I do hope that you are aware that the Front National has tried to obtain loans from French and European banks but was denied, and had to take a loan from a Moscow bank at unfavorable conditions.
It would by the way not surprise me if various anti-EU parties (that are often labeled as extreme right) were supported, including the famous UKIP.
Just to complete, I do hope that you are aware that extreme right and fascist are two different political ideologies.

[Boethius]

Yes, I know, although many of those parties are, in fact, fascist.

[Doll]

I disagree vehemently with her statement that Poroshenko does not wish to negotiate peace.  There is plenty of evidence to the contrary, including numerous ceasefires the terrorists have broken.

Sure. Do you remember what he said EVERY time? That it will give him time to get ready for new attacks.

[Shadow]

Yes, I know, although many of those parties are, in fact, fascist.

In many cases they are extreme right, but not fascist. The fascist label is usually given by socialist parties who see extreme right as a larger threat. After all remember that the nazi part was a cooperation of fascist and socialist groups.

[Boethius]

Sure. Do you remember what he said EVERY time? That it will give him time to get ready for new attacks.

Please provide a link to one time he stated that.  And, not from a Russian newspaper.

[Boethius]

In many cases they are extreme right, but not fascist. The fascist label is usually given by socialist parties who see extreme right as a larger threat. After all remember that the nazi part was a cooperation of fascist and socialist groups.

I view the National Front is fascist, as do many of its opponents.  In fact, they just recently lost a lawsuit in France, in which their left wing opponents described them as fascist.

Jobbik is fascist, as is Germany's National Democratic Party. 

While I agree that fascism has in its definition control over the economy in a way that is close of socialism, of more importance, I believe, is the concept of the superiority of one nation over another, or, in modern times, identification of one nation over others.

[Doll]

Please provide a link to one time he stated that.  And, not from a Russian newspaper.

I don't remember when  heard it, so no "not from a Russian newspaper" links.
Actually I heard it on CNN but can't provide a link.

[Shadow]

But I believe National Front is fascist, as do many of its opponents.  In fact, they just recently lost a lawsuit in France, in which their left wing opponents described them as fascist.


Jobbik is fascist, as is Germany's National Democratic Party. 


While I agree that fascism has in its definition control over the economy in a way that is socialist, of more importance, I believe, is the concept of the superiority of one nation over another, or, in modern times, identification of one nation over others.

What I see of Jobbik I agree. Front National I am on the fence, as it has both elements of fascist as extreme right.
The father of Mrs Le Pen was indeed fascist, but the party has moved its ideology.
They still have anti-immigration as a topic, which is not by definition fascist even if it receives such label.
Apart from that they strive to return France to pre-EU status, which is extreme right.

And the funny part is that the Front National would in the US politics be closer to Democrats as to Republicans.

[Boethius]

I don't remember when  heard it, so no "not from a Russian newspaper" links.
Actually I heard it on CNN but can't provide a link.

I doubt that Poroshenko ever said that, as he has stated numerous times that there is no military solution to the conflict.

[Doll]

I doubt that Poroshenko ever said that, as he has stated numerous times that there is no military solution to the conflict.

You can doubt what ever you want

[Boethius]

True, and until you can provide a link, I can also state Poroshenko never made the statement you attribute to him.

[Doll]

This Sarah W probably knows more than we and SHE says that Poroshenko doesn't want any negotiations.
She says so, not me
I am sorry but  she is times higher than both of us. No offense.