The Propaganda War

[mendeleyev]

Interesting....just as the EU seems ready to hand Ukraine back to Russia on a platter, there are new reports of "peoples groups" (Russian speaking, naturally) who are organizing movements in Latvia and Lithuania. Hmm, this seems really familiar: claims of not being able to speak their Russian language, oppressed by their governments, and they want to separate. Gosh darn, who would have imagined.

[AkMike]

Hmmm Deja vu..    Or like the old Groundhog Day movie..


Mendy have you seen this yet?

Now this will make things interesting:

Russia to get naval and air bases in Cyprus

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-military-agreement-in-cyprus-2015-2

An EU Member State hosting the Russian navy and air force right next to the UK bases.

[lordtiberius]

Interesting....just as the EU seems ready to hand Ukraine back to Russia on a platter, there are new reports of "peoples groups" (Russian speaking, naturally) who are organizing movements in Latvia and Lithuania. Hmm, this seems really familiar: claims of not being able to speak their Russian language, oppressed by their governments, and they want to separate. Gosh darn, who would have imagined.

NATO is so full of  . . .

If they were serious about protecting the borders, they wouldn't being playing air police.  They would militarize the border with soldiers permanently stationed there.  Anyone want to bet those planes fall into Russian hands?

[Doll]

Interesting....just as the EU seems ready to hand Ukraine back to Russia on a platter, there are new reports of "peoples groups" (Russian speaking, naturally) who are organizing movements in Latvia and Lithuania. Hmm, this seems really familiar: claims of not being able to speak their Russian language, oppressed by their governments, and they want to separate. Gosh darn, who would have imagined.

Ну все правильно- кто-то жаждет крови, и этот "кто-то"- не Россия. И не Европа.

[Muzh]

I can't read this shit.

[lordtiberius]

Ну все правильно- кто-то жаждет крови, и этот "кто-то"- не Россия. И не Европа.

Вы написали бред еще раз

[JayH]

Ну все правильно- кто-то жаждет крови, и этот "кто-то"- не Россия. И не Европа.

Wrong again---Russia packs up and gets out of Ukraine---chances are it would end .

That is--apart from a major point--Russia has made an enemy out of Ukraine and Russia & Russians will never be forgiven.

[Doll]

Вы написали бред еще раз

Actually, I agreed with Mendy, so бред is his.

[Doll]

Wrong again---Russia packs up and gets out of Ukraine---chances are it would end .

That is--apart from a major point--Russia has made an enemy out of Ukraine and Russia & Russians will never be forgiven.

Please read Mendeleyev's post  to which  responded.

[AkMike]

Actually, I agreed with Mendy,

About Putin starting the war and being a first class huilo? 


 I'm glad you finally admitted it!

[Изумруд]

Ну все правильно- кто-то жаждет крови, и этот "кто-то"- не Россия. И не Европа.

Who is it then?

[JayH]

It seems everyday that basic freedoms in Russia are being evaporated. Piece by piece they are locking every source of free ideas from being discussed.


The War Against Tor: Russia Takes Aim At Popular Web Anonymizer

MOSCOW -- The Russian authorities apparently have a new enemy in their crosshairs: web tools that give users online anonymity.

On February 5, lawmaker Leonid Levin proposed blocking so-called web anonymizers including the most popular program, called Tor.
 
Tor -- an acronym for "The Onion Router" -- is encryption software that allows users to stealthily surf the Internet and bypass locally-imposed web restrictions.

Levin's proposal won quick backing from Roskomnadzor, Russia's state communications watchdog.

Roskomnadzor's press secretary, Vadim Ampelonsky, derided Tor users as "ghouls" and likened the program to a hangout for criminals. He seconded the call for it to be blocked, saying it is "technically complex, but solvable."
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-blocking-tor-anonymous-internet/26842171.html

[AkMike]

Next Tor 2.0 !  

[mendeleyev]

Some of the social media stuff is very clever. For the time being, the Mendeleyev Journal has stopped accepting ads from several Russian advertisers. When there is an open position, we post this instead:

[AkMike]

  Thanks Mendy! 

[Photo Guy]

MissAmeno wrote, way back on April 14th, 2014:

I have grown up in city about 50 miles from Kiev. Regardless what Russian media tries to portray in news these days Kiev and its surrounds never have been anti-Russian. Half of population spoke Russian, another half spoke in something broken between Russian and Ukrainian, very rarely you would come across someone who in day to day life spoke clean Ukrainian language. Never met anyone who strongly disliked Russia and/or its population.

And I do not know no one Ukrainian who wants Ukraine once again be part of Russia. No one! I am not saying there isn't such people but no, they are not majority whatsoever. I do not know either anyone who hates Russia and/or Russians (yet! because many soon will after what Russians do in Ukraine) But I do know those who ready to fight for Ukrainian independence and no, not because they are brainwashed by Ukrainian news but because they do not want to be part of Russia in any form or shape.

Good stuff- a lot of truth there.

[JayH]

More and more information keeps coming to fill in the gaps-- I wrote over a year ago that there was over 36000 people employed in Kremlin disinformation industry . Today more details appear of specifics of how so much of that nonsense is used.


A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

LONDON — NORMALLY a boisterous sort, Peter Pomerantsev says he kept quiet when he found himself, at the age of 24, in a Moscow meeting room listening to 20 of the country’s top media executives discussing the news agenda for the week.

Not what the news was, but what they would make it, said Mr. Pomerantsev, the author of a recent book chronicling the moral and financial corruption of modern-day Moscow and the manipulation of a Russian television industry that he later joined.

He listened in amazement, he says, as a prominent news anchor reviewed the coming events as if they were part of a film script, musing on how best to entertain the audience and questioning who that week’s enemy should be.

“It was shocking,” said Mr. Pomerantsev, speaking over coffee in London last month. “They really saw television and news as a movie, and talked about it as a movie.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/world/europe/russian-tv-insider-says-putin-is-running-the-show-in-ukraine.html?_r=0

[lordtiberius]

More background that supports Mendy's Eurasian theory of the causus belli:

[Photo Guy]

Some Russians should be applauded:

[Taz]

Apparently there are Russian other than the "Doll" type. While Russia has really shut down on any news against their party line, at least some Russians are smart enough to figure it out despite Putin's propaganda.

[Taz]

Here is another interesting take by a Russian. It is in Russian so if you don't read it, use Google or some other options.


http://professionali.ru/Soobschestva/biznes-klub/prokljataja-amerika/?utm_source=NewTopics&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=13-02-15


I suggest reading the entire thing but here is part of it. The guy does a good job of debunking the US as the "boogey man" that Russia loves to use in straw man arguments.


"Хотят ли США подчинить Европу и дирижировать ею против России? Эта версия, на мой взгляд, также не находит подтверждения. Если стало так уж модно говорить про холодную войну, позволю себе напомнить, что в начале 1980-х годов США держали в Европе 7400 ядерных боеголовок, 9000 танков и почти 350 тысяч военнослужащих. Сегодня ядерный потенциал сокращен более чем на 90%, в 2013 году были выведены последние танковые подразделения, а военный персонал составляет менее 30 тысяч человек. Соединенные Штаты мало что могут диктовать Европе: они проигрывают ей экономически: торговый баланс США с Европейским союзом в 2013 году был отрицателен на $65 млрд; европейцы держат на $1,6 трлн финансовых обязательств правительства США, а не наоборот; европейские антимонопольные органы блокировали и блокируют многие сделки между американскими компаниями – как, например, между GE и Honeywell в 2001 году. И никто в Вашингтоне не смог тогда «скрутить Европу в бараний рог».
Сочиняя сказки о том, что Америка диктует Европе ее позицию в отношении России, кремлевским пропагандистам надо быть более последовательными – хотя бы потому, что они одновременно увлечены рассказами о «слабости» и «геополитической никчемности» Европы. Но если бы США имели право диктата, то европейцы были более военизированными, как в годы холодной войны, когда такое менторство со стороны Америки действительно имело место. Но сейчас европейцы вовсе не воинственны – в том же случае с Украиной они наиболее последовательно выступают против поставок вооружений Киеву. Как увязываются между собой оба этих подхода? Боюсь, никак.
Резкое нарастание ненависти к Америке или Западу в целом – это прежде всего поиск врага, на которого можно переложить ответственность за собственные трудности. Сегодня это особенно нужно Кремлю. В 1998 году можно было списать проблемы на «проклятые 1990-е»; в 2008-м – на мировой кризис, пришедший из той же Америки. В конце 1990-х годов американцы бомбардировали Сербию, в середине 2000-х они же воевали в Афганистане и Ираке. Сегодня все иначе. США фактически прекратили свои масштабные военные операции за рубежом, зато в такие приключения ввязалась Россия. При этом с 2012 года наша экономика даже при успешном развитии мировой показывала устойчивое замедление, пока не свалилась в рецессию. Кто мешал нам «развиваться» в 2010–2013 годах, когда на протяжении четырех лет Россия получила $1,4 трлн нефтегазовых доходов? Уж точно не Америка – ведь если бы Федеральный резерв не проводил пресловутую политику «количественного смягчения», долларов не было бы в таком избытке и нефть не была такой дорогой. Мы сами тормозили собственный экономический рост, ужесточая условия ведения бизнеса и повышая налоги на предпринимателей ради удовлетворения алчности вороватых бюрократов и силовиков. Что мешало нам проводить ответственную экономическую политику? Все, что угодно, но только не Вашингтон или его эмиссары… "

[Photo Guy]

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/08/the-undefeated-before-nadiya-savchenko-dies-read-her-words/

[mendeleyev]

...Russia has really shut down on any news against their party line, at least some Russians are smart enough to figure it out despite Putin's propaganda.

Very true.

There is a social media group called WELCOME TO THE WORLD. It is managed by a group connected to RT. I have been a member as it promotes Russia, Russian culture, and Russian regions.

Over the past months it has adopted a clear format: a genuine look at Russia, which is then followed by a anti-Ukrainian piece related to the war. So, I have continually challenged the editor/moderator who is herself a journalist, albeit a young and inexperienced one--the kind recruited today by RT.

I have been a thorn in her side, pointing out inaccuracies and challenging blatant lies. Yesterday a piece claimed that Poroshenko is a murderer because, according to the group, Ukrainian forces are shelling Debaltseve. That is really, really stupid to put that out in the public, because unless one is a sheltered Russian with no context, it is obvious that the Ukrainians are inside the town, and it is the rebels on the outside who are shelling in order to conquer it.

So, I pointed that out. I included a video, from a rebel TV source, with rebel leaders swearing not to observe a cease fire until the town is taken by rebel forces.

That prompted this message from the editor: "Farewell, Mr .Mendeleev." Dang, does this mean that she won't address me in the first person any longer? After a chuckle over her further comments that the video was, in her learned view, a plant by the CIA, I logged in to the actual site. Or, tried to log in. Access blocked. 

No, there is no censorship in Russia. None at all.

[mendeleyev]

How the Russian media feeds news of this conflict to its citizens:

[BillyB]

"Farewell, Mr .Mendeleev."

Russian journalists have unique talents. Catching bullets, falling down stairs and jumping out of windows are some of the things they're good at.  You're a good man but be careful what you say to your colleagues. You probably won't change their minds and most of the time they'll want to censor/shut you up if they have the power or connections to do so. Stay safe Mendy.