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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2725 on: May 10, 2019, 03:24:01 AM »
Quote from: ML on May 06, 2019, 11:06:05 AM
 

On board Navy ship we had been given talk that most all of the gals there had some sort of STD.

So with this first gal I was somewhat worried.  Then, I looked at her completely bare back (still in the bar) and didn't see any sores or scabs.  Thus I was pretty sure she had no STDs.

Pretty wise analysis I would say.

I trust you posted this 'medical assessment 'tongue  in cheek, so to speak..? 

Seeing a 'clean' bareback is not the wisest citeria to go bareback...

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2726 on: May 30, 2019, 06:24:32 PM »
Isn't it pretty cynical to assume that the prettier the girl the more materialistic she is?

Of course, I guess that I tend to be the more optimistic in my outlook.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2727 on: July 10, 2019, 10:54:50 PM »
Thing is I guess to try and find some business a FSW can do at home to earn a bit of money. Something that is no big deal to do and gentle enough to not be seen as a full on job but at home. Would help keep her mind occupied and off shagging other blokes while you're at work me thinks.

What do you reckon Krim?
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2728 on: July 10, 2019, 11:20:22 PM »
Trench,
if you keep a woman sexually satisfied AND you take her shopping and protect her
she will never leave your side...
I'm serious....

I owe my success with women to my proficiency at "oral"
this is a secret weapon western guys in Ukraine have that most Russian guys DO NOT have....
give a woman in Ukraine an oral orgasm, and it'll almost always be her first time...
and she will follow you around like a little puppy dog wanting to be petted...
word...
I'm telling you...

happened EVERY time...
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2729 on: July 10, 2019, 11:39:36 PM »
Trench,
if you keep a woman sexually satisfied AND you take her shopping and protect her
she will never leave your side...
I'm serious....

I owe my success with women to my proficiency at "oral"
this is a secret weapon western guys in Ukraine have that most Russian guys DO NOT have....
give a woman in Ukraine an oral orgasm, and it'll almost always be her first time...
and she will follow you around like a little puppy dog wanting to be petted...
word...
I'm telling you...

happened EVERY time...

Sounds like it would be worth a venture :P
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2730 on: July 10, 2019, 11:41:49 PM »
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I would like to have children, if a FSW wanted the same and we at least got along this wouldn't necessarily be such a bad way for either side to do it. After all there are surrogate mother's and sperm donors so this could be quite preferably, no prostitution.

Why are you polluting the thread with your irrelevant thoughts ?

1/ You have made it clear you do not seek a FSU  W with a kid...let alone two

2/ You have no experience of a FSU woman living with you ..having trusted you to leave her home

3/ You haven't even been in a relationship with one that lasted one than a visit and a disastrous holiday together

You opinions are worthless..



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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2731 on: July 11, 2019, 01:15:30 AM »
I would like to have children, if a FSW wanted the same and we at least got along this wouldn't necessarily be such a bad way for either side to do it. After all there are surrogate mother's and sperm donors so this could be quite preferably, no prostitution.

Sure it is.  Surrogate mothers/sperm donors are monetary exchanges as well.

A girl I was briefly with a couple of years back in Ukraine told me that she would not work in the UK, not even in a part time job. She expected the man to pay for it all.

I suspect she told you this to get rid of you, once you served your purpose.



Some US guys think the guy should pay for a FSW children through College. That's fine if real wealthy or particularly close relationship with them. Myself though I wouldn't see it as my responsibility, most higher ed. In the FSU is not of the level of the west. I would see it as an extra that the FSW or her kids should pay if they want it, it's being overly generous of the guy funding it in my opinion.


If you "import" a woman and her children, you have an obligation to support those children as if they were your own.  That typically means helping them with education.

Not every FSU university is inferior to that of the West, either, and many FSU educated individuals can get jobs easily in the West.  The issue is that one never knows if that FSU degree was actually obtained, or if it was just printed.  Even if a degree is not fully recognized most FSU individuals with degrees get some credit for FSU coursework.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2732 on: July 11, 2019, 10:05:27 AM »
Sure it is.  Surrogate mothers/sperm donors are monetary exchanges as well.

I suspect she told you this to get rid of you, once you served your purpose.



If you "import" a woman and her children, you have an obligation to support those children as if they were your own.  That typically means helping them with education.

Not every FSU university is inferior to that of the West, either, and many FSU educated individuals can get jobs easily in the West.  The issue is that one never knows if that FSU degree was actually obtained, or if it was just printed.  Even if a degree is not fully recognized most FSU individuals with degrees get some credit for FSU coursework.

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Not true, she made quite an attempt to get me to see it how she sees it. I think in the end we didn't trust each other among other issues, too much distrust had built up. I didn't realise how decisively she viewed matters. I also didn't realise that she had a transactional nature I now believe derived from her want of clothes fashion and her poor background. As Krim says many UW want something and I think that can make a girl behave transactional if they see men as their only avenue left to get it. She basically had other ways available to put me off, I could tell this was her world view and not a method of putting me off her.

In the UK, parents are responsible up to the age of 18, anything beyond that is down to their desire to help out more. I don't see it as a FSW children are entitled by the WM to provide uni education, it's additional education not the basic standard education. They could after all go back to the FSU at that age if they so wished.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2733 on: July 11, 2019, 10:55:35 AM »

if I were you, before I did ANYTHING else
I'd figure out how to make more money!!!!!
and then, go and do it!!!

He keeps wanting people to agree with him that he doesn't need
to make more money and he ignores all those who tell him
otherwise.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
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There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Just kiss the girl, don't ask her first. Tolerate NO excuses!

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2734 on: July 11, 2019, 10:58:12 AM »
I assume a lot of sex tourists go to the FSU as they want sex with hot FSW but don't or can't afford to support FSW and any kids.

It's always been cheaper to rent rather than buy.
You can't afford a FSW or kids.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2735 on: July 11, 2019, 11:00:00 AM »

Otherwise known as "prostitution". 


You've posted in the past that you don't want to "import" a woman that will leave you.  How is this really different?

I think he is more worried that she will leave him AND get the House.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2736 on: July 11, 2019, 11:22:06 AM »
It's always been cheaper to rent rather than buy.
You can't afford a FSW or kids.

Not true, if I lived in the US on a comparable salary this would be true. In the UK our schools are funded by the state as is health care, etc. This combined with me owning my own house means it's within my means.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2737 on: July 11, 2019, 11:47:03 AM »
Not true, if I lived in the US on a comparable salary this would be true. In the UK our schools are funded by the state as is health care, etc. This combined with me owning my own house means it's within my means.

I don't know your laws. In the USA you have to make 125% of the poverty
rate or more in order to obtain a VISA for a spouse or Fiancee. However,
deciding to have a go with the bare, barest minimum is a very, very bad
plan.

You've never raised a child, I have. They require all sorts of things. You've
never supported an FSUW, I have. They require all sorts of things. You also
need money for a rainy day. Let's say you have it now, for ONE rainy day.
What happens the next rainy day?

How often do FSUW live with their parents? 90% of the time? What happens
when/if her Mamma needs medicine? What happens if her father gets sick
and can't work for a month or two? You don't just marry a girl, you marry
her AND her immediate family.

You are assuming things you know little or nothing about. You are ignoring
people who have been there and done that. Surely you are smart enough
to get a job that pays more money. Are you too lazy? Are you in some
kind of rut? The average salary in the UK is £27,600 that's $34.5K.
How far below average do you plan to be long term?

Why don't you just try to get yourself up to average? You don't have
to be like me and try to excel at everything.


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FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Just kiss the girl, don't ask her first. Tolerate NO excuses!

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2738 on: July 11, 2019, 12:46:16 PM »
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Not true, if I lived in the US on a comparable salary this would be true. In the UK our schools are funded by the state as is health care, etc. This combined with me owning my own house means it's within my means.


Oh Trenchie,

Pl-ease stop posting utter bollox.

You may try to BS a cousin across the pond, but there are folks that know the cost of living in the UK and you are talking out of your arse...as usual.

http://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/blog/what-is-the-average-cost-to-have-a-baby




At the very least..each child is going to cost £5000 year to 18 years including a summer holiday (vacation) a year..


Honestly, when will you post about something you DO understand / know about?


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2739 on: July 11, 2019, 12:52:15 PM »
I don't know your laws. In the USA you have to make 125% of the poverty
rate or more in order to obtain a VISA for a spouse or Fiancee. However,
deciding to have a go with the bare, barest minimum is a very, very bad
plan.

You've never raised a child, I have. They require all sorts of things. You've
never supported an FSUW, I have. They require all sorts of things. You also
need money for a rainy day. Let's say you have it now, for ONE rainy day.
What happens the next rainy day?

How often do FSUW live with their parents? 90% of the time? What happens
when/if her Mamma needs medicine? What happens if her father gets sick
and can't work for a month or two? You don't just marry a girl, you marry
her AND her immediate family.

You are assuming things you know little or nothing about. You are ignoring
people who have been there and done that. Surely you are smart enough
to get a job that pays more money. Are you too lazy? Are you in some
kind of rut? The average salary in the UK is £27,600 that's $34.5K.
How far below average do you plan to be long term?

Why don't you just try to get yourself up to average? You don't have
to be like me and try to excel at everything.

Like said vefore, the average UK salary in the UK is not what is achievable for most people, it's a mean average so it takes into account millionaires directors pay, those getting paid at the top end, that skews it somewhat.

Commonly most people can achieve in the £21-23k if they really want it. Unless you're lucky that will come with some degree of work and stress. To give you an idea of the jobs that pay around £27k here they will be team/department managers in companies or for the council, or a reasonably experienced Accountant, Architect, Engineer, a year/subject head teacher or possibly some type of Lawyer. The Employer will be asking for their pound of flesh for these jobs. They will come with a lot stress, pressure and workload in almost all cases. Teachers probably getting of the lightest at this level.

The more stress, pressure and workload the more unbearable the job can become and keep hold off. The less your going to feel like doing internet dating messaging in your spare time. Mostly you'll just want to de-stress in that time.

Better to either set a successful not too stressful business or get a way of securing an independent income.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2740 on: July 11, 2019, 12:59:59 PM »
No, Trench, she was probably not trying to get you to think her way.  Once she had what she wanted, and saw you weren't going to try to get her a visa to the UK, she wanted to get rid of you.  This is a common way for UW to do so.

The average wage for a full time worker in the UK is just short of £37,000.  That's an average.  Most of the UK posters here, not just moby have posted that the salary you posted is insufficient to support a foreign wife.  Bill is correct about raising children.  It would be difficult to make ends meet with a child even with the "average" UK salary, which is why most British women work.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2741 on: July 11, 2019, 01:00:42 PM »

Oh Trenchie,

Pl-ease stop posting utter bollox.

You may try as BS a cousin across the pond, but there are folks that know the cost of living in the UK and you are talking out of your arse...as usual.

http://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/blog/what-is-the-average-cost-to-have-a-baby




At the very least..each child is going to cost £5000 year to 18 years including a summer holiday (vacation) a year..


Honestly, when will you post about something you DO understand / know about?

A BS site where they have plucked the figures from out of their rear. In my family their is so many toys and baby gear floating around that I wouldn't likely need to spend out that much, add to that websites like gumtree and these figures are way of course. Food and nappies & a few extras and you're done, & sorted.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2742 on: July 11, 2019, 01:01:37 PM »
ROFL.  So says the man who has never raised a child.  Anyone who has, or is, knows your post is bollocks.


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2743 on: July 11, 2019, 01:18:48 PM »
No, Trench, she was probably not trying to get you to think her way.  Once she had what she wanted, and saw you weren't going to try to get her a visa to the UK, she wanted to get rid of you.  This is a common way for UW to do so.

The average wage for a full time worker in the UK is just short of £37,000.  That's an average.  Most of the UK posters here, not just moby have posted that the salary you posted is insufficient to support a foreign wife.  Bill is correct about raising children.  It would be difficult to make ends meet with a child even with the "average" UK salary, which is why most British women work.

Google was used to obtain the average UK salary for this post.

The jobs that go from around £27-37k or so you don't just walk into. They need extensive experience, qualifications and probably contacts. You're going to have to be impressive at interview also the way most people aren't.

I don't think at the time of the conversation she had given up on coming here. She tried to push on this after the holiday. I considered at that point it was a visa she was after. I don't think her opinion on how things would be was affected by that. I think she had bought into the dream of being provided for in the UK. That it would be the same if she stayed with me or went with another guy once in the UK. A big argument while still on holiday to put me off her wouldn't have served her needs at that point.

I have since gotten the impression she was driven by her mentality. She may have wanted to get into the UK or just wanted another holiday, or perhaps she was straight up and too head strong with determining what she wants and how it is done. I think many FSW doing International Dating tend to want to drive things the way they want and that can and has destroyed many good relationships with WM.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2744 on: July 11, 2019, 01:22:58 PM »
Trench,

raising a family is expensive, I know because I’m the one who pays the credit card bills every month for mine...

my advice, don’t depend on a job for your income, figure out a way to start your own business and do it part time until it makes you enough to do full time

another idea, if you already own a house, can you use that as collateral to buy another fixer upper house and “flip it”, and then another and another...

you mentioned before, the subject of furniture...

I can’t remember the name of the company, but more than 10- yr ago I saw a company in Ternopil that made cheap wooden furniture
they were looking for distributors in the USA
I think you could’ve taken their basic wooden furniture and “enhanced it”
it was REALLY low priced!!!

there are actually a LOT of furniture makers in Ukraine...
you might be able to find one that could make a “semi” finished product for you to complete

http://destinations.com.ua/fashion-shops/interior-design/592-the-best-furniture-manufacturers-in-ukraine-2018

http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/UA/beech-wood-furniture.html

check this out


in Crimea, I had guys who would be considered master carpenters/craftsmen, artists even
work for $500 usd/month
they did my parquet floors among other things
but they could've built furniture easily
one of them made a circular staircase completely of wood
a masterpiece!

In Ukraine, I gave my brother in law about $10,000 to buy the table saws
and help making a lumber drying kiln
so he could buy the lumber to make custom wooden doors!
he has a successful business doing this in two cities now!!!
just him and one other guy
he paid for his own delivery truck!





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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2745 on: July 11, 2019, 01:27:39 PM »
The jobs that go from around £27-37k or so you don't just walk into. They need extensive experience, qualifications and probably contacts. You're going to have to be impressive at interview also the way most people aren't.


That is an average wage, so I think you're making excuses.

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I have since gotten the impression she was driven by her mentality. She may have wanted to get into the UK or just wanted another holiday, or perhaps she was straight up and too head strong with determining what she wants and how it is done. I think many FSW doing International Dating tend to want to drive things the way they want and that can and has destroyed many good relationships with WM.


Or maybe you're just unrealistic.


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2746 on: July 11, 2019, 04:53:08 PM »
 ;D

those posting who have raised children have pretty much nailed the key points of the process

having raised 4 of my own biological children and then partly raised 3 step children additionally i would say to those who have never had children to raise and take care of you need to stop with the theory and know it all posts your writing  on the subject  and take heed of those who have done this  ;)

its along term committment and responsibility  to them and your partner
its along term contract of hard work on your part to those you are bringing into this world or your current life
fathers need to take responsibility for their family , that is everything , nothing less than 100% , if you cant give that then dont get involved

stop treating it as some sort of simple equation that you have all figured out down pat
life is not like that with children in any relationship

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2747 on: July 11, 2019, 05:40:25 PM »

That is an average wage, so I think you're making excuses.


Or maybe you're just unrealistic.


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Thing is I think a lot of FSW perhaps get into trying to date WM with preset fixed ideas that may often involve using a guy as a visa mule. Most of these girls are towards the young and nieve side. The chance of it working are slim, they think they can railroad a guy into it just because the guy has let girl get her way in earlier matters. They don't realise that a lot of these guys aren't stupid and that when it all falls apart for them. If they thought it through more instead of trying to bulldoze their way through to it they would realise there chances were realistically the best but co-operating with the guy and getting with the guy and being satisfied with that. They unfortunately think they can have everything they want in the bargain and not give anything, in the end they often end up getting nothing for their obstinacy.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2748 on: July 11, 2019, 05:52:38 PM »
Sure that occurs, but I think it's a minority of women. 


Your attitude guarantees failure, incidentally.


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2749 on: July 11, 2019, 06:43:56 PM »
Sure that occurs, but I think it's a minority of women. 


Your attitude guarantees failure, incidentally.


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I would say that thinking a FSW is being untrustworthy means that there is a tendancy to read into what is said by her. Thinking bad of her has a tendancy to end in exchanges going south. Not all FSW are up to something but some are. Add to that a different culture and personalities and what is normal to the girl can be strange thing to do or say to the guy and vice versa.
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