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Title: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 02:12:39 AM
  Everyday see a new atrocity commit ed by Russia or Russians as the Putin agenda seeks to destabilise what ought to be the good world order.
From the time Putin was reelected in 2012 the Kremlin has set out on it's agenda --in simple terms- to destabilise the western world.
It became obvious enough with the Russian invasion of Ukraine  on the Crimea and subsequently eastern Ukraine , the shooting down of MH17 and the extensive associated propaganda campaigns that have spewed fake news and disinformation across the world.
Putin's dream of causing chaos in the US has been incredibly successful and resulted in Trump getting elected  and the subsequent mayhem unleashed on the established good world order has Putin and his Kremlin cronies laughing at the absurdity of the goings on in America.
More recently-we have seen the total disrespect for life with the murders in the UK -- and attempts elsewhere as Russia seeks to intimidate all and sundry

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO STOP RUSSIA?
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 17, 2018, 08:14:34 AM
I believe you mean - what can be done to stop the current incumbents in the Kremlin?.. as Russians probably didn't elect VVP at the level claimed
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 09:46:39 PM
Another example of the total disrespect for the truth -- and Russian attempts  to avoid culpability.
What happened at the winter Olympics with the drug samples substitution, with MH17 and the ongoing attempts to strike at the core of the investigation  are just a few examples of how little respect Russia has for a rule of law.

The obvious immediately larger examples of Russia being prepared to do nearly anything ,anywhere to achieve it's aims  -- so the question is what should be done?


Swiss Confirm Russians Tried To Hack Lab Analyzing Skripal Samples

The Swiss government has confirmed reports that Dutch authorities had arrested and expelled two suspected Russian spies earlier this year after the two allegedly tried to hack a Swiss laboratory that conducts chemical weapons tests.

Switzerland summoned the Russian ambassador to protest an “attempted attack” as Moscow rejected the allegations, the latest Western claim about Russian spying and other acts of interference.

This time, the alleged target was the Spiez Laboratory, which analyzed samples from the March poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in England.


http://www.rferl.org/a/swiss-confirm-russians-tried-to-hack-lab-analyzing-skripal-samples/29491589.html
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 17, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
More of the nonsense Russia promotes is evident today as Russia offers up another 'explanation" of who shot down MH 17.
As long as the west allows all this Russian BS air space it is not going to end.

Russian-controlled ‘Donbas republic’ accuses Ukraine & USA of killing militant leader Zakharchenko

It was to be expected that both the ‘DPR’ and Moscow would blame Kyiv for Zakharchenko’s killing.  Russia’s Investigative Committee even initiated a criminal investigation under Article 361 § 3 of Russia’s criminal code (international terrorism) with the Committee noting that “such actions are also aimed against the interests of the Russian Federation in the sphere of countering terrorism”.  TASS reported that Russian security service [FSB] officials had been sent to ‘help in the investigation’, which they  did by stating as early as 3 September that the SBU was probably behind it.

The problems with the ‘Ukrainian hand in it’ version were evident from the outset, given the maximum security around Zakharchenko and the placing of the bomb.  Kommersant reported a day after the killing that the culprits were being sought among those around Zakharchenko.

http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1537228744
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 18, 2018, 10:06:53 PM

Currently --Russia is attempting an illegal blockade of the Sea of Azov . It is an opportunity for the west to cut the Russians down to size -- by enforcing the law and free access to the Azov Sea.

Ukraine does not have the firepower to go this alone currently -- but is easily  with Nato and specifically the US capability to support Ukraine in forcing the issue.

The fact is that Putin has staked his future on controlling Ukraine - and so far has got away with whatever he has done. The sooner the west starts to push back Russia -the better it will be for everyone.
I have said many times over the last 4 years that Ukraine has the manpower ( now the largest army in Europe) but needs  high-tec technical help--something that is relatively easy for the US to assist with.

Putin and his Kremlin kleptocracy only understand one thing ---  strength -- the powerful rule the world. Obama allowed Russia to walk all over the US -- and Trump has basically continued on that path-- and even worse is his incapability of criticising Putin  & Russia and is more interested in his personal sf interest and cosying up to Russia.
Very few in the US intelligence or military agree with either of those Presidents on what should be done - and the longer Putin keeps getting away with all the indiscretions being committed by Russia the harder and bigger will be the events required to stop them.

This is the type of exercise that I believe should be expanded .

US Air Force to join large-scale aviation exercise in Ukraine

The U.S. Air Force and eight other nations will participate next month in independent Ukraine’s largest aviation exercise, which aims to promote regional security and improve that country’s cooperation with NATO members, the military said Tuesday.

Announcement of the Clear Sky multinational exercise comes days after Ukraine said it would establish a new naval base along the Sea of Azov to counter a more assertive Russia.

The U.S. plans to send about 450 personnel from bases in the States and in Europe, a U.S. Air Forces in Europe spokesman said Tuesday. About 250 will participate in the exercise, including pilots and maintainers; the remainder will be in support roles.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us-air-force-to-join-large-scale-aviation-exercise-in-ukraine-1.548021
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 12:26:05 AM
Ukraine - the largest army in Europe ? ...

Hmm,

Not that having the largest army means ANYTHING  - as kit, training, military tactics and the element of surprise are FAR more important - but let's 'indulge' you ..

Russia's population crosses Europe and Asia and it's standing army is four times that of Ukraine...   As it is THE most likely combatant Ukraine is likely to engage - your 'statistic' seems churlish

Are you suggesting Ukraine will be able to retake Crimea and E.Ukraine territories by force of arms ?

Frankly, I cannot envisage such an action  - what time period would you like to put on such an assertion and will it result in territory gained or lost before cessation of hostilities ?




Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 12:49:14 AM
It is acknowledged as the largest .
If you think Russia -- contemplate how diversified it is .
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 01:39:20 AM
It is acknowledged as the largest .
If you think Russia -- contemplate how diversified it is .

OK, so you seek to hide behind the shirts of other foolish folk ..

So the Russian army is 800k plus and the UA just over 200K ( 2018 figures ) - what is the Euro-Asia split re Russia's population ?

It's a silly 'stat' you've posted and it is noted you're ducking my questions re UA using their 'numbers'

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 19, 2018, 02:25:13 AM
I saw an analysis in the last few days that reached the conclusion I stated.
Before bothering to dispute it you need to think of how far geographically Russian forces are stretched -- but it is improbable that they can bring all attention onto Ukraine at any given time.
My comments-- were in effect-- with help from the west- Ukraine has enough ground troops -- and with  what is now 4 years of training and war practice in the field Ukraine has a very strong base now.
Can it take on the Russians?
With help- yes-they have already proven that.
Will they? Another question altogether. Fact is- right now-- the priority is to improve conditions in Ukraine  - that can be the most important way to place pressure on Putin and Russia.
It ought to be obvious to blind Freddy-- that the current climate in the US leadership does not create the right vibe for Ukraine to do any more right now.


Ukraine's Military Is Back


t is indisputable that the main criterion for assessing the armed forces of any country is its ability to effectively perform tasks under wartime conditions. Nevertheless, the ability to use the defense budget as efficiently as possible can be an equally important way of assessment—when each unit of investment can achieve the greatest possible positive net effect. This approach is especially useful to understand the changes that have taken place in Ukraine’s armed forces since 2014.


http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/ukraines-military-back-24674




Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 19, 2018, 02:33:15 AM

It ought to be obvious to blind Freddy-- that the current climate in the US leadership does not create the right vibe for Ukraine to do any more right now.

Indeed I 'missed' when Obama or any other western nation rushed to help in 2014 ... 

Given the now questionable track record of the UA govt to handle the basic question of region Oligarchy power ... I don't see the west aiding any action from UA to reclaim territory - but defending any further incursion - perhaps that's another matter

Title: British troops in Ukraine to stop Russia '
Post by: JayH on September 21, 2018, 04:20:46 AM

Story  contains much of what is going on and What Ukraine needs to stop Russia


Gavin Williamson commits extra British troops in Ukraine to stop Russia 'reversing Cold War outcome'

“What you’ve seen is an independent free nation that has been attacked by a powerful neighbour and we’ve seen men and women come together to repel that invasion and push back those that would wish to do them harm,” he told the Telegraph, accompanying him on the visit. 

“Vladimir Putin and his cronies around him want to abuse their power. This is not the type of behaviour we expect of any nation, let alone one that sits as a permanent member of the Security Council. [Russia is becoming] a pariah nation.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/20/gavin-williamson-commits-extra-british-troops-ukraine-stop-russia/
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 07:18:31 AM
Oh yeah...100 British soldiers are training the UA boys nowhere near the front....some 'help'....
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 21, 2018, 07:42:59 AM
Who says they'll be nowhere near the front ?

Commando's are not known for staying away from the action.


The very nature of how they operate would suggest they'll be hands-on in training Ukrainian troops at the front-line....
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 08:48:04 AM
Who says they'll be nowhere near the front ?

Commando's are not known for staying away from the action.


The very nature of how they operate would suggest they'll be hands-on in training Ukrainian troops at the front-line....

MY source and the locations - being away from the front line - is the ,gov.uk / MoD websites ....

past :http://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-extends-training-of-ukrainian-armed-forces (http://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-extends-training-of-ukrainian-armed-forces)


     
 


       http://www.contracts.mod.uk/blog/uk-relationship-with-ukraine-strengthened-by-defence-agreement/ (http://www.contracts.mod.uk/blog/uk-relationship-with-ukraine-strengthened-by-defence-agreement/)

Plus the US are training in WESTERN Ukraine, too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-32827216/russia-upset-over-us-training-ukraine-soldiers (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-32827216/russia-upset-over-us-training-ukraine-soldiers)
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 21, 2018, 09:04:30 AM
Clicked on the links and it comes up "page not found "

The only link that worked was about US ARMY soldiers training Ukrainian troops more than three years ago..not Commando's and things have changed since then.
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Sorry - my error

You believe 100 UK troops are on the front line in Ukraine ? !
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 21, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
Who says they'll be nowhere near the front ?

Commando's are not known for staying away from the action.


The very nature of how they operate would suggest they'll be hands-on in training Ukrainian troops at the front-line....
Regardless of what some of our experts about everything here on the forum believes  the posts only keep proving ignorance :)

The fact is that while these troops are not being sent to the frontline to fight - BUT --  they and significant other countries  had-- and have military  "observers" right at the coal face.
Their purpose is to help,teach & train Ukrainians -- and the very important fact is that has been a 2 way street. Western military have grown to have tremendous respect for the Ukrainian troops -- and what they have achieved with the resources they have had.In joint military exercises with Nato countries- much was learnt from  the Ukrainians .

Originally -- a few years back -the emphasis was on getting large numbers up to steam as fast as possible  -- and large numbers of American,Canadian, UK ( & more)military trainers made a huge difference to the faster flow of personal to the front line.The whole Ukrainian military structure has been modernised in the last 4 years.Now the emphasis on specialised training eg this news above re British Commandos.

 One of the very important things in 2014/2015 was the presence of "foreigners" around the frontline --it had a big impact on morale for Ukrainians to know that the world did care( at least some of the world) . In the early days after the invasion in the east it was largely ad hoc foreign "volunteers"-- many in fighting with Azov ,but also in logistics,medical and humanitarian aid.Add media to that too !

Later came uniformed western military observers . After MH 17 was shot down with 38 Australians amongst the 298 murdered- a furious Australian Government  sent the most serious SAS into Ukraine to assess what they could do- at that time they believed an escalation was imminent.They were ready.

I do not think there is one westerner involved in anything I have written about here and seen it first hand -- that does not believe the west should be doing a lot more to stop Russia --it is the political masters in the west that still do not "get" it.



One of the by products of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is something I wrote about 4 years ago  -that is that  the 'war" industry would help Ukraine economically is a perverse way. It forced Ukraine to start manufacturing armaments(again) on a large scale and re activating many neglected industries .Now- many Ukrainian companies are selling and providing goods & services around the world .
Not having access to the best of the western hardware has seen considerable development of new weapons.

Ukraine tests new highly effective Ukrainian-made weapons, military equipment



The upgraded ZU-23-2 was also tested. "Combining this robust anti-aircraft system with an electronic system for automatic target detection and fire control will securely eliminate air and land targets, including UAVs on Russia's armament," he said. "An important part of this modernization is the ability, thanks to an automatic system, to direct fire from several anti-aircraft systems simultaneously at a distance, from protected positions, without endangering the lives of our servicemen," Turchynov added. New ammunition of Ukrainian production was also demonstrated and tested at the proving ground, in particular, RS-80 missiles suitable for use in various applications, and a high-explosive fragmenting projectile for the popular MT-12 "Rapira" guns. "All the new tested developments of the Ukrainian defense-industrial complex have demonstrated their high efficiency, and after taking them on armament, they will considerably strengthen our military potential," Turchynov said.

Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/politics/10269759-ukraine-tests-new-highly-effective-ukrainian-made-weapons-military-equipment-turchynov.html
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 11:20:30 PM
Regardless of what some of our experts about everything here on the forum believes  the posts only keep proving ignorance :)

I'm 'sorry' - I 'missed' when  / where you proved my correct info as to where the UK troops - who are training - UA personnel are stationed / operating in Ukraine ..

You have a nasty little habit of questioning folks statements with zip to demonstrate to the contrary .....


Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 22, 2018, 03:17:46 AM
Moby,

          The new links you provided are from last year...and have no relevance to Commando's...or Williamson.


You do realize Fallon is no longer Defence Secretary ?

Williamson has been VERY outspoken about his feelings about Russian aggression since becoming Defence Secretary..as i said before things are changing...he himself actually went to the front line.

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 22, 2018, 03:31:28 AM
Moby,

          The new links you provided are from last year...and have no relevance to Commando's.


You do realize Fallon is no longer Defence Secretary ?

Do you think Gavin Williamson has changed UK policy on Ukraine  ?

He flew to EASTERN UKRAINE in a Mil Mi-8 (Hip) ..NOT a UK helicopter ...  could that be a clue ? 

'Our' presence was training  in the West of the country and will now be a few Royal Marines training out of Odessa

Can you think of the 'propaganda' the Kremlin would gain if a western soldier ended up captured ? ..

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 22, 2018, 03:40:08 AM
Yes I do think Williamson has changed UK policy toward Russia..along with the events in Salisbury.


As for propaganda..who cares about that when Russia continues denying involvement in eastern Ukraine..despite Russian soldiers being killed and captured there LOL.
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 22, 2018, 03:43:41 AM
Yes I do think Williamson has changed UK policy toward Russia..along with the events in Salisbury.

Including UK troops in eastern Ukraine ? !
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 22, 2018, 03:44:50 AM
Yes..now prove otherwise...and not with old links.
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 22, 2018, 03:49:23 AM
Yes..now prove otherwise...and not with old links.

OMG - ANOTHER internet 'idiot' that asks ME to prove an assertion they don't agree with

Do you seriously think the MoD

1/ would confirm either way

2/ would risk a UK military personnel being captured by the 'rebels' / Russians ?

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 22, 2018, 03:52:02 AM
Ahhh..this is where Moby starts his well-known deflection tactics when his argument doesn't stack up .Throw some insults around,stamps his feet..the Moby MO .


LOL.
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 22, 2018, 04:00:20 AM
Ahhh..this is where Moby starts his well-known deflection tactics

What IS well known is that when a poster suggests I'm fibbing / deflecting - it's because THEY are doing exactly that ...

It is was  noted you avoided Q's 1 and 2 ..  Suggest you address the image in the mirror before posting even dafter ,,,

when his argument doesn't stack up .Throw some insults around,stamps his feet..the Moby


LOL.

CB, just TRY to answer my Qs 1 and 2 - you are making an ass of yourself ...   Today is a WONDERFUL day as I await important guests from Russia....   No 'stamping of feet' - just laughter.. some directed at you,,

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 22, 2018, 04:37:49 AM
Firstly,i and no-one else has any interest in your "important guests from Russia "...more Moby deflection which you're well-known for.


Now to address your points


1/ Of course the MOD won't confirm where their Commando's will be operating  despite YOU being the one who attempted to confirm they had by posting old links..talk about the biter being bit...i think your Russian mates/guests might be inwardly laughing at you : )))


2/ The UK are perfectly entitled to have troops in eastern Ukraine at the invitation of Ukraine...unlike Russia of course who deny involvement in eastern Ukraine despite their troops being killed and captured there.Your Russian mates don't worry about their soldiers being caught out in Ukraine,for propoganda purposes.so why should any other country ?


Sorry to burst your Russia love-in...reality is a kicker eh ?


Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Blighty on September 22, 2018, 04:44:23 AM
The regional newspapers report that the Royal Marines are a training unit - e.g.,

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/09/21/defence-secretary-commits-extra-british-troops-to-ukraine/

"The extra troops will provide combat training to the Ukrainian military and help build the country’s naval capabilities."

As for Gavin Williamson, remember his famous statement "Russia should shut up! Russia should go away!”? He was rightly mocked by the press as being an idiot.

BTW Our Regular Army has been reduced to 81,700 and you can view their existing deployments at
http://www.army.mod.uk/deployments/

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 22, 2018, 04:52:20 AM
Thanks Blighty,

                Nothing there about the training taking place away from the front-line.

As I said in my original post,the nature of how Commando's operate ,would suggest training may  well happen at the front-line...otherwise what can they teach soldiers can't teach.?


Significant that Williamson actually visited the front-line too.
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 22, 2018, 04:18:40 PM
Thanks Blighty,

                Nothing there about the training taking place away from the front-line.

As I said in my original post,the nature of how Commando's operate ,would suggest training may  well happen at the front-line...otherwise what can they teach soldiers can't teach.?


Significant that Williamson actually visited the front-line too.

I made the point in earlier that there has been many international "visitors"  right at the frontline.It ought to be obvious to even blind Freddy that western countries are not about to be promoting this on facebook  if they are serving !
To say it again -- there has been a 2 way street in the learning process -- western military has learnt a lot about the Russians -Ukrainians have been quite inventive in finding ways to combat Russian military hardware & tactics.

Ukraine is intent on a Russia free future -- and so far --regardless of all the difficulties a lot of progress has been made.
I have another one for you all-- Ukraine is taking steps to ensure it's independence -- drawing on it's technological history !


Ukraine Rebuilds Its Military Muscle to Repel a Russian Invasion

KYIV, Ukraine—For the past four and a half years, Ukraine’s military has prioritized rebuilding land warfare units to meet the immediate needs of the ongoing war in the country’s embattled, eastern Donbas region.

This year, however, Ukraine has stepped up efforts to rebuild its air force and navy, too. This emphasis reflects a national security doctrine that singles out a Russian invasion as the top, long-term national security threat, while also keeping an eye toward improving interoperability with NATO forces.

http://www.dailysignal.com/2018/09/18/ukraine-rebuilds-its-military-muscle-to-repel-a-russian-invasion/?utm_campaign=digest&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nuzzel
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 22, 2018, 04:30:44 PM
Ahhh..this is where Moby starts his well-known deflection tactics when his argument doesn't stack up .Throw some insults around,stamps his feet..the Moby MO .
LOL.

Yeah -- and here he is at it again. Attempting to make others be precise while his vague innuendo is par for his course. See link on comments I made elsewhere.
Moby has to have the last word in all the threads he pollutes -he is stupid enough to believe that means he is winning! His pursuing of others until he drives them off the forum is a matter of record-- no wonder he is treated as the village idiot in another place



Re: Russian convicted of spying for the Brits poisoned (?) in the UK West Country ?
« Reply #171 on: September 20, 2018, 04:08:56 AM »
Quote  from JayH
Moby -- you show up in near enough every thread spewing your scepticism and innuendo over others relentlessly,  Then you squeal like the stuck pig you are when  your lies are exposed.
You are a hypocrite in the extreme -- you make up   stuff about others without ANY foundation of truth -- and then want to get away with playing the victim.
Sound familiar--
You and Trump have more that telling lies in common.

You told an outright lie in your  desire to be "one up" -- and support a  contention of your own.

Of note -- you and silly Billy cannot leave anything --have a look at how many threads you destroy--  and  how many people at any one time you are arguing with .

You really are a DUNCE !!

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22567.msg493414#msg493414

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 22, 2018, 04:40:23 PM


http://www.unian.info/war/10270503-ukraine-s-army-retakes-another-village-in-russian-occupied-luhansk-region-video.html
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 23, 2018, 11:50:15 PM
Firstly,i and no-one else has any interest in your "important guests from Russia "...more Moby deflection which you're well-known for.

 :ROFL:  It was simply a riposte to your bollox as to my disposition - which you hilariously tried to assess ...

Now to address your points

Which you had tried to duck - claiming *I* was deflecting - so thanks ..let's see ...


1/ Of course the MOD won't confirm where their Commando's will be operating  despite YOU being the one who attempted to confirm they had by posting old links..talk about the biter being bit...i think your Russian mates/guests might be inwardly laughing at you : )))

I asked you "what's changed ?" - as the 'old' reports DID say WESTERN UKRAINE...  You -challenged me to 'prove' they weren't on the front and I gave an excellent reason why not ...the political capital that would be made if a UK military person was captured


2/ The UK are perfectly entitled to have troops in eastern Ukraine at the invitation of Ukraine...unlike Russia of course who deny involvement in eastern Ukraine despite their troops being killed and captured there.Your Russian mates don't worry about their soldiers being caught out in Ukraine,for propoganda purposes.so why should any other country ?

I can see you aren't thinking this through like a rational person ...  Whilst I realise the UK have been invited by the legit govt of said nation - you and I both know FULL well that HMG would no be putting UK personnel at risk f being captured by an unrecognised 'country's' military ...


Sorry to burst your Russia love-in...reality is a kicker eh ?

It's quite 'interesting' to be a 'russophobe' AND russophile at the same time ... even it your eyes ( you seem to forget what and where you've posted elsewhere ...)

Can you put together some sort of reasoned riposte, rather than this constant daftness ?

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 24, 2018, 01:08:24 AM
What an example of a useless post --needless to say it is Moby and his ridiculous ego thinking he is proving something! :cluebat:

Maybe all the Moby posts should be allowed in only Moby threads ( like Trenchcoats)  where the rest of us  dont have to see them !

FCS Moby --just SHUT UP !! :cluebat:
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 24, 2018, 03:06:41 AM
What an example of a useless post --needless to say it is Moby and his ridiculous ego thinking he is proving something! :cluebat:

Maybe all the Moby posts should be allowed in only Moby threads ( like Trenchcoats)  where the rest of us  dont have to see them !

FCS Moby --just SHUT UP !! :cluebat:

JayH

Coming from you...the poster of nonsense news from well dodgy sources and persistently calling ME a 'fibber' as to my travels  ..you'll forgive me if I pass on your 'helpful advice...

Now, as you stuck your head above the parapit and are the 'Ukraine Expert' ....I'm sure you will have source proving me wrong ))))
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 24, 2018, 05:01:21 AM
Moby,

         Your posts are becoming alarmingly more crackpot as time passes..have you considered obtaining some medical help ?

After all even internet trolls are entitled to that.

Now.let's get something straight before you fly off at another tangent..as is your wont.

The original post from you claimed the Commando's would be well away from the front-line..yet you have not verified your claim..so stop deflecting and put up or shut up..as your opinion on anything is worthless as we all know by now .


Your squirming about how our troops would not possibly be put in any danger is ludicrous..that's what they're paid for...they're Commando's not childrens nanny's.
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 24, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
Moby,

         Your posts are becoming alarmingly more crackpot as time passes..have you considered obtaining some medical help ?

After all even internet trolls are entitled to that.

Now.let's get something straight before you fly off at another tangent..as is your wont.

The original post from you claimed the Commando's would be well away from the front-line..yet you have not verified your claim..so stop deflecting and put up or shut up..as your opinion on anything is worthless as we all know by now .


Your squirming about how our troops would not possibly be put in any danger is ludicrous..that's what they're paid for...they're Commando's not childrens nanny's.

CB

There's no need to keep proving you haven't the first clue about the UK's role in Ukraine is ...

You might like to try to counter my ripostes instead of suggesting 'troll' .... and making a spectacle of yourself..

Once again ..did the Minister of Defence fly to E,Ukraine in a UK helicopter of a UA one ?

Does the UK have aircraft operating in Ukraine and esp near the front line ..?

You'll note the silence from JayH - as he can't find anything to 'support' you, either ...






 
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on September 24, 2018, 09:39:27 PM

Does the UK have aircraft operating in Ukraine and esp near the front line ..?

You'll note the silence from JayH - as he can't find anything to 'support' you, either ...

Since you persist -- Ukraine does have aircraft operating very close to the frontline - albeit very carefully.
If you bothered to read the link -- it was mentioned there too  I think.

Support CB?-- pretty clear you cannot comprehend what I wrote above .

Moby-- you do the work of the Russian troll farms when you attempt to turn threads into a sh.. fight of nothingness.

It is pretty clear that you cannot accept anyone else knows anything about anything  --your dead headed ego is pathetic.


For the record - from the link -- that Moby attempts to mock CB over

"The Mi-8 Hip helicopter taking us east towards the 300 mile-long Line of Control, the new, illegal border with Russia, had raced forward at 120 knots, pulling up sharply to get over trees and power lines. Twenty-six Ukrainian aircraft have been shot down by Russian-supplied surface to air missiles since the conflict started, so the pilots take no chances and cling to the safety of the folds in the earth. "
  OR MORE
"Despite all the security measures, including having two Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunships cover our approach, the soldiers admitted Russia probably knew the British Defence Secretary was here. To attack the British minister would, of course, be an outrageous and provocative act, but after Salisbury all rules have changed.
"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID1YapZ25xo

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: Chelseaboy on September 25, 2018, 01:40:19 AM
Moby,

      Is that all you've got ?

      Why would they need to use a UK Helicopter when they have perfectly adequate Ukrainian Helicopters to use..with Ukrainian pilots experienced in the conditions at the front-line ?


You're really clutching at straws now LOL.

Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: msmob on September 25, 2018, 01:58:47 PM
Since you persist -- Ukraine does have aircraft operating very close to the frontline - albeit very carefully.
If you bothered to read the link -- it was mentioned there too  I think.

))

It's not ME that cannot read ... please check my question to CB... UK - as in UNITED KINGDOM ... 'our' Defence Minister flew in a former Soviet helicopter .. NOT a UK = United Kingdom, one..

Please revert when you HAVE read properly and CAN offer evidence to counter what I'm asserting


Indeed - taking out 'govt' ministers is something that 'never' happens n E.Ukraine - ask Zakharchenko's relatives .... :popcorn:


Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on October 05, 2018, 12:23:26 AM
The ongoing battle to expose Russia continues . What incredible results  Bellingcat is achieving.
News in the last few days of more Russian infiltrations into everything and anybody that criticises Russia are rife.
The big question is when will the west wake up to the cold war Putin is waging ! Maybe when America frees itself of the Trump compromises the world can get back to stopping Russia,

The home of online investigations    BELLINGCAT


305 Car Registrations May Point to Massive GRU Security Breach

By Bellingcat Investigation Team
In an unprecedented step, the Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service (MIVD) and the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Justice on October 4, 2018 disclosed the identities under which four Russian individuals, believed to be officers of the cyber-warfare division of the Russia’s Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU). The four individuals travelled to the Netherlands in April 2018 in an attempt to hack into the computer network of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), based in The Hague. These four men travelled under diplomatic passports, two of which had consecutive issue numbers.

Following this disclosure, Bellingcat and its Russian investigative partner, The Insider, attempted to verify that the identities disclosed by the Dutch authorities were in fact the authentic identities of the persons involved. Comparing data from different databases dated 2002 to 2014, Bellingcat was able to confirm that these identities are indeed real, as opposed to cover personas, which is the case with the two GRU officers involved in the Skripal poisoning case.

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/2018/10/04/305-car-registrations-may-point-massive-gru-security-breach/
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on October 05, 2018, 12:39:10 AM

Putin's emissaries in action all over the world -- and the very simple reason why all the oligarchs  and those that attained their fortunes via Russia -- should have all their assets frozen with a view to confiscation.
To say it again--how long does anyone think Putin would survive if that action was taken?
Recent events in the US highlight how these people are used by the Kremlin  -- and it is a simple line of attack to start containing Russia-- and drive issues onto their doorstep

Russian oligarchs in Europe: soccer, churches, and working for the Kremlin

Exporting corruption
Soccer, ecclesiastical matters, strategic and real estate industries are the spheres of interest of Russian oligarchs abroad.

You can create any number of organizations for the pro-Russian aristocracy, but in case of fraud, the Royal Family will take the side of their cheated non-oligarch compatriot, not the one of the Putin friend, as it happened in Monaco. You can bribe the opposition, but your aluminum factory will be confiscated if you lead it to bankruptcy.



http://euromaidanpress.com/2018/10/04/russian-oligarchs-in-europe-soccer-churches-and-working-for-the-kremlin/
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on October 07, 2018, 01:50:32 AM
Vladimir Putin represents a serious threat to liberal democracy, not only in Russia and in Ukraine but also in the EU.
Standing against means Putin standing for a modern democratic and European state –one which offers new generations a future and one which is at peace with Ukraine and Europe!

In the case of Ukraine, Russia’s neighbor has no choice but to win the war in the Donbas region. But to do so Ukraine needs both modern defensive weapons and diplomatic pressure including tighter European and US sanctions against the Kremlin. Until then, Putin will continue to disturb Ukraine because a free and developed Ukraine presents a danger to his powerbase in Russia. As a former KGB agent, who lives in the nostalgia of the Soviet empire, Putin depends on lies and manipulation as well as brute force.

The war in Ukraine is not only about freedom from Russian occupation but also freedom for the European continent. That is why, in my view, the new law passed by President Petro Poroshenko which welcomes foreigners into the Ukrainian army is so important.


How best to target Putin


However much fear Putin has generated, we should note that he is less strong than he appears. Russia is not the Soviet Union and is far less powerful. Moreover, the Russian army is not the Red Army. Russia is also economically weak. The economy of Russia represents 2.86% of the gross domestic product (GDP) of the whole world. This economy is now collapsing because of the sanctions applied against Russia, as a result of Putin’s occupation of Crimea and expansionist policy in Ukraine and also because of corruption and an a Soviet culture of management that has produced a profoundly inefficient system. By contrast, the

USA, together with the EU, Canada and Australia represent around 46.25 % of the gross domestic product (GDP) of the whole world and NATO is still the most powerful military organization in the world.

http://neweuropeans.net/article/2448/how-best-target-putin


Want to hit Putin where it hurts? Target his friends

Since Russia’s occupation and annexation of Crimea in March 2014, Washington has imposed many sanctions on Russia. But are these the right sanctions and are they effective?

Sanctions on people close to President Vladimir Putin and financial sanctions seem to be the most effective.

The sanctions aim to stop or contain Russian malfeasance, such as the occupation of Crimea, military aggression in eastern Ukraine, cyber warfare, election hacking, human rights violations in Syria and chemical warfare in the United Kingdom. The sanctions should not be abandoned until the Kremlin ceases with its malpractices.


Putin guides us. He has been particularly upset about two groups of sanctions. One is the U.S. sanctioning of his close business friends from St. Petersburg, Yuri Kovalchuk, Arkady and Boris Rotenberg and Gennady Timchenko, who have become billionaires as a result of this friendship.

On at least three occasions in 2014, Putin publicly defended his friends with passion: “They are Russian nationals, they consider themselves patriots of this country and this is true.[...]This is a direct violation of human rights.”

In fact, Timchenko and Boris Rotenberg are Finnish citizens and have lived abroad since the early 1990s. When Arkady Rotenberg had some real estate frozen in Italy in September 2014 because of EU sanctions, Putin initiated a law on state compensation for individuals and businesses being hurt by Western sanctions called the “Rotenberg Law.”

Although its aim was to punish looters of the Russian state, Putin saw it as a hostile act, seemingly acknowledging complicity in the crime.

To date, 49 Russians have been sanctioned, including Alexander Bastrykin, the head of Russia’s Investigative Committee and a law school mate of Putin's.

The Kremlin sought revenge with a law prohibiting the adoption of Russian children by Americans in early 2013.

These two groups of sanctions have much in common. They focus on specific persons, many close to Putin. It prohibits them from travel and makes all their property in countries sanctioning them liable to asset freezes.

As Ambassador Daniel Fried, the former director of sanctions at the State Department has noted, the Magnitsky Act reached much higher levels in the Russian administration than initially understood.

In July 2016, the United States and the European Union imposed serious sectoral sanctions on Russia. They covered three sectors: finance, oil and defense technology, focusing on large state companies.

The financial sanctions have been the most effective. They prohibited lending to the sanctioned state banks and companies for 30 days or more. Both the government and corporations had to pay off their foreign debt obligations as they came due with minimal possibility of refinancing them. Western banks were afraid of being trapped if the sanctions were to change.

The International Monetary Fund assessed that sanctions could initially reduce Russia's inflation-adjusted GDP by 1 to 1.5 percent. Foreign direct investment in Russia fell by roughly half.

Since the Russian economy is so small relative to Western economies, it cannot respond effectively without hurting itself more. In August 2014, the Kremlin imposed “counter sanctions” against food imports from the countries that had imposed sanctions on Russia.


http://thehill.com/opinion/international/404524-want-to-hit-putin-where-it-hurts-target-his-friends
Title: Re: Russia vs The World
Post by: JayH on October 07, 2018, 02:16:40 AM

According to Pastukhov, “this creates the impression that the Kremlin looks out at the world today as one large group of criminals” who gather together like “thieves in law (without quotation marks)” to take decisions without any concern about any morality broader than pure self-interest.


This view helps to explain, the historian continues, why the vocabulary of the Russian foreign ministry has been so enriched in recent years” with the language of the criminal world.

Putin’s shift on Skripal case makes a broader war more likely


Russia de facto has declared war on the entire Western world and is conducting it in a way that shows it considers the territory of Europe as the battlefield,” the Russian historian says.

This can’t be written off as some excess by the security services because Russia’s “political leadership” is responsible for what is taking place.
“With each new murder and with each new diversion, Putin and his entourage are driving themselves ever deeper into a corner, from which they can get out [only] by a full-scale world war,” Pastukhov concludes. “Everything that Moscow has been saying and showing in recent times would be really funny if it were not so sad.”

http://euromaidanpress.com/2018/10/05/putins-shift-on-skripal-case-makes-a-broader-war-more-likely-pastukhov-says/
Title: How Russophobia Became Russia’s Leading Export
Post by: JayH on December 01, 2018, 09:27:16 PM
Given the title of the thread there is no more appropriate place for this story -
Vladimir Putin had a simple explanation for the wave of international condemnation that engulfed Moscow in the wake of Russia’s November 25 Black Sea attack on the Ukrainian Navy. According to the Kremlin leader, it was all Ukraine’s doing. “Kyiv is actively stirring up anti-Russian sentiment,” he lamented. “That’s all they have—and it works.”



How Russophobia Became Russia’s Leading Export


While the West was largely indifferent to post-Soviet Russia, Ukraine was its closest natural ally. It is in Ukraine that the Kremlin’s role as architect of anti-Russian sentiment is most apparent. As the conflict in eastern Ukraine grinds on for a fifth year with no end in sight, it is tempting to assume the two countries have always been sworn enemies. However, there was nothing inevitable about the deterioration in bilateral ties that brought Russia and Ukraine to their current state. On the contrary, they emerged from the Soviet wreckage joined at the hip and remained so deeply entwined that independent Ukraine’s second president Leonid Kuchma eventually felt moved to publish a book entitled “Ukraine is not Russia.” Moscow chose not to take the hint. Instead, the Kremlin pushed on with heavy-handed attempts to make sure Ukraine remained an imperial possession in all but name. This led directly to the 2004 Orange Revolution and the 2014 Euromaidan Revolution, both of which focused on a desire to escape the Russian orbit and move Ukraine toward a more recognizably European model of democratic government. Rather than backing off or attempting a charm offensive, Putin sent in the troops.     

Kremlin leaders like to blame the subsequent collapse of Russian influence in Ukraine on Russophobia, but this ignores the fact that most Ukrainians grew up regarding Russians more as siblings than neighbors and were duly flabbergasted in 2014 when Moscow attacked. Even now, with Crimea under occupation and Russian tanks in Donetsk and Luhansk, many millions of Ukrainians continue to express broadly positive views of Russia itself while reserving their ire exclusively for the Kremlin. This anger is the bitter fruit of Putin’s war and not the ravings of irrational Russophobes.

Ukraine is only one of many to reach the same negative conclusions. Russia’s hybrid hostilities have earned the country a reputation as one of the greatest threats to global security, while the accompanying claims of Russophobia merely serve to hamper meaningful dialogue and deepen the distrust that is poisoning the international environment. In an ideal world, the Kremlin would acknowledge its role in the current descent toward a new Cold War and seek a fundamental reset in relations. Despite its chronic bad behavior, a repentant Russia would find that the door to a thaw is wide open. As the underwhelming international response to Russia’s recent Black Sea naval attack demonstrates, there is still very little appetite for confrontation on the part of the West. Nevertheless, continued acts of Kremlin aggression will force the international community to take further measures despite the widespread preference for a return to business as usual. If Russia’s leaders insist on defining this as Russophobia, so be it—but they must also realize that the condition has now reached epidemic proportions across the world. It has become Russia’s leading export, and this will remain the case for as long as Putin’s hybrid war continues.


http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/from-the-azov-sea-to-washington-dc-how-russophobia-became-russia-s-leading-export