Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Questions to Russian Ladies / Спросите Русских Женщин => Topic started by: aeiouy on February 18, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
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I would like to know what Russian women's attitude towards AM is! I am a very good looking guy who at 36 has no problems whatsoever pulling early twentysomethings who are 10's. The problem with this is, those are the one's who think that because they are gorgeous they deserve someone with millions. Case in point: An exgirlfriend AW of mine went out to some bar and I was supposed to meet her, I was late due to circumstances not in my control. When I showed up, some dude was hanging all over her and she was receptive to his advances. Well, needless to say I was PISSED, but I realized I couldn't make her come home with me so I left, (I considered kicking his ASS but that would only land me in jail and I get screwed again, oh wait I guess that would be me screwed once her getting screwed once). The next day I call her, no answer, day after she tells me that something happened that night ( yeah , no *snip*, tramp) and she doesn't know if we should be together. Of course, me being me, I wouldn't let her squirm her weasel self out of admitting to what she did. So she tells me that he offered to buy her fake tits, and she really thinks she likes him, he was a few years older than me and penniless, literally, the guy has nothing. Two days after that she calls me up wanting me back, Yeah right, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." I am not a rich man, but I work hard, am well educated and come from a loving kind family, I am not poor and have very good prospects, just don't have the money to Fly around the world and give her anything she wants. Is that not enough for women nowadays I know from personal experience, that it barely, barely qualifies a man to marry a 10 or even an 8. I'm not being conceited or arrogant, but I believe I am a 10. It seems to me that AW are regressing, they want and have for the most part, independence, individuality, and equality. The young AW's mothers and grandmothers paved the way for this and now they go back to looking for a Sugardaddy. Obviously, this is not true of all, but it is true of a large portion, and the good ones are so into their careers, or find a guy in college, they are hard to meet. So, are RW as materialistic as AW. How much stock do they really put into a man's appearance, personality, and disposition, wallet? Do RW want the money, I mean, I know everyone likes to be taken care of, but does that mean they want it given to them, or do they understand that, the right 2 people together can do Anything, and can accomplish Anything? Well I won't go on even I know there will be more things I would like to add as soon as I post. M Diva if you read this I would like to hear your viewpoint, you like shaking things up a bit.
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I would like to know what Russian women's attitude towards AM is, if he is HOT! I am a very good looking guy who at 36.....
One important question.
Do you like to visit Gay Bars?
GOB
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GOB
Highly inappropriate response.
Cool it.
Mod2
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Sorry, GOB,
You are out of luck, I don't bat for the other team, apparently you are a switchhitter. I've heard about some of you GOODOLBOY's, I definitely don't want to run out of gas anywhere near you. In the event that you are just a rude, jealous person I have to say that you are married so you don't have to worry about me competing with you. Listen, some of you have tons of cash to throw at girls, and I am not saying that you all do, or need to, just stating a fact. I have my Intellect, Kindness, and my Good Looks, and a Good Job but I'm not loaded either. So, don't fault me for using what God gave me. I just wanted some real answers to a very valid question. I am still single by choice, I have had an amazing time but, now it seems like it is time to settle down. The girls I like in the US just don't want the same things as me. If they are a good girl with a good career they want to wait to start a family, I think that they could do both. I would rather not start having kids when I'm 45. The good girls near my age have all been married and have kids. I like kids but I want my own.
One more thing GOB "Jealousy will get you NOWHERE"
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FSU women are in many respects no different from WW in so much as you will find both gold diggers and genuine ones and the law of nature suggests that, if you are going to focus on ‘pulling’ 10’s, then your chances of finding the former with inevitably increase.
With regards to looks then again I don’t think is a FSU/WW thing. It’s well documented that the female species look far beyond physical looks when choosing a mate and focus more on personality and character traits along with good hygiene and the ability to write paragraphs. ;D
If you are looking for a 10 in the FSU nearer to your age then IMHO you are going to struggle to find one that hasn’t already got kids.
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I used to be a professional model and currently 37 and was asked to be on the the USA television show "bacherlotte" a couple years ago and I lived in Ukraine and have visited Ukraine 40 months straight now. So here is some things to consider. I know nothing about girls in Russia only Ukraine girls.
Do you want marriage and children or chase girls under 27? Do you own your home and can provide for family of four with her not working? Can you provide for her parents if needed?
Talking about how good looking you are is not going to make serious girls in Ukraine swarm you. Probably a big turnoff. What can you offer a woman? Are you taller than 6 foot 2 - Ukraine girls are a lot taller than AW as they have very high heels. Do you have blue eyes or brown? You may not be as hot as you think based on these answers. Maybe you are.
Your 36 years old and never married? Why. Very unusual for a man good looking, good job, good qualities not to be married. What are you flaws? What are you going to say when girls ask you why not married before? The old saying never married after 30 best to stay away.
I do very well with women in Ukraine (and rest of World) mainly because I speak enough Russian, I do business in Ukraine, want 4-6 children, women do not have to work, not jealous, very generous, and think more conservative than liberal. Mothers and grandmothers like me because I am tall and very unusual blue eyes and I treat their daughter with respect. Treating their daughter with respect is the key point. I have dated two girls longterm in Ukraine. Marrying one next month.
You will do well if you can offer a woman want she wants. Bringing a woman across the World and her staying with you you have to be a very good man to do that.
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LOL @ kievstar. Very funny. :ROFL:
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aeiouy,
Something that the dating agencies don't want you to know is that FSUW are in fact - wait for it - similar in many ways to WW.
When they are young they may be more focused on looks - but in this phase of life they are just learning to attract and tease men.
As women age (and get more serious) they start thinking more about practicalities - i.e. men who are able to provide for them to a higher leverl of security become more attractive/important, and looks become less important.
Basically I think if you are relying on your looks to compensate for lower financial security you're in for trouble. If you can provide the security a woman wants/needs/seeks, PLUS you have the looks, you will not be disadvantaged... unless of course you're vain enough to ask about Hollywood good looks in an Internet forum. ;)
Welcome to RWD by the way... there's LOTS of good info here for you if you spend time digging through the archives!
Good luck!
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oops.. walked in to the wrong room I guess..
Funny looking RW here :D
Outa here..as the door hits me in the butt..
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I just wanted to post something with a subject that would get noticed, I fully expected negative responses to the subject. I'm 5' 11" and 185 lbs, I am in very good shape and very athletic, and I have (sorry here comes the vanity again), as I've been told very beautiful Blue/Green eyes, and black hair. I have a strong personality and I treat people well. I have also worked as a model, Kievstar. Didn't care for it much, too many VAIN people.
Kievstar, I do well with ALL types of women also, they are all from the US though, and don't seem to care for being a woman anymore, at least not like the family, that I was raised in. Grandmothers and Mothers like me as well, I am a good guy, but there is no point in trying to get that across to a bunch of people who have already formulated their opinions of me. After 30 years old you are not marriage material, your 37 how many times have you been married Kievstar, kievstar hmmmm, do I sense some vanity there. If you haven't been married what's wrong with you, if you have, than I am sorry for you. I would rather be in my shoes than yours. How about you guys out there with your expensive cars, homes boats, there's no vanity there huh. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones!! It is not unusual for someone, not to be married if he didn't want to get married. I suppose I should've had a bunch of kids, at 22, possibly get divorced and abandon them. I wouldn't do that, but I know that I would hate not having them live with me.
Listen, I am not trying to pull 10's. I can do that here, most of them just have no substance to them. I don't like how they treat people, not all but a lot of them. Am I looking for a girl younger than me, of course I am, what are you guys doing? I am going after the same demographic, I go after in the States. How about you?
My question is: in all your valuable experiences, i'm not patronizing anyone, at what age do you think UW women are ready for a commitment? Obviously, that varies from individual to individual, but generally speaking. I've heard that FSUW mature faster than WW.
Sorry for the runon paragraphs in my first two posts I was just hacking away I'm sure my punctuation is off in this one and my grammar as well but who the hell really cares none of you are grading me on this or are there some English professors out there wanting to get their red markers out and start marking up their screens this last paragraph was for you English professors
Thanks for your input. My intentions are not to offend any of you, or to alienate myself, but if I get pushed, I push back, that's the way I was raised. That being said, I was also raised to respect people, and listen to what they have to say, even if I don't agree with them. Everyone has the right to their own opinion.
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Kievstar, how old is your fiancee?
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This should be rich if he stays around.
My opinion is that a "10" in Russia/Ukraine will most likely be more trouble than a "10" in America. Why? They have been spoiled even more than their AW sisters.
So go after a 8-9 with substance (your word). Maybe your good looks, warm personality and future potential will prevail over your implied low financial stability, a factor important to all RW.
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aeiouy,
do you have the wherewithal to do this? It usually takes a lot of time, patience and money to do it right.
Your ego seems a little, um, overinflated is the best word I could come up with on short notice. I'm not sure that your attitude is the best to find a woman that is actually worth having.
Also, do you truly believe you are a 10? Seriously? Then that just must be a bad photo I guess.
FWIW, I think you will find very little jealousy from people here so I'd suggest you stop assuming criticism stems from that; it could be they just have a valid point you should take on board.
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Sorry for the run-on paragraphs in my first two posts; I was just hacking away. I'm sure my punctuation is off in this one too, and my grammar as well.
But who the hell really cares? None of you are grading me on this, or perhaps there some English professors out there wanting to get out their red markers and start marking up their screens?
If so, this last paragraph was for you English professors!
Vowel guy-- we don't care about your writing skills. It will take more than vowels and perceived good looks to succeed in winning the heart of a quality girl in the FSU.
Looks will get you much less in the FSU than in the USA. Want evidence? Just look around at some of us ugly warts at RWD and notice we succeeded, even with our lack of Hollywood good looks! Seriously, girls in Ukraine are looking for a good heart and a good provider--not a model.
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BTW-- you left "w" off the end of your name, Vowel Guy.
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First off I do not write well and hate letters. I do come across direct. Never liked grammar and never cared to learn it well. I only speak about Ukraine girls as Russian girls are different in that they tend to get more into social classes where as Ukraine girls do not. That is my experience.
Your missing my point. Girls will ask you in Ukraine why your never married? I am trying to help you. In Ukraine things are more direct in wanting to know things. Very unusual in Ukraine for a good man never to be married at your age. You will be asked a lot of questions. If your going to be going after very beautiful girls and I bet the top 5% looking in agencies. Many of these girls will be spoiled.
No one said there is anything wrong with you. You just need to be ready to answer questions from a Ukraine girl if you go and visit. Were not talking about a girl down the street. Very big step for a woman in Ukraine to come to USA. Generally, women in Ukraine are a lot more closer to family than AW. Also, their is a financial burden you will not get with an AW most likely.
To answer your questions. You can search on my posts. I have posted everything about me here - famous porn star girlfriend, bouncer, gay target, etc. Very open person. I was married 10 years and found my ex wife her current husband / boyfriend and very close with their two children. Also bought them a very nice house in good neighborhood in Chicago suburbs. She will not marry him so I call him husband / boyfriend since they have kids. I got divorced since I want many children and live in many countries plus I like change. Fiance is a little young for me she is 27 but over 5 foot 10 but I want 4-6 kids and maybe 10 so need a girl around this age. I am very pro Putin, pro George Bush, pro military and war, hate EU and Nato, think 99% of Americans are lazy and they spend to much, think many men date out of their league and finding a woman in Ukraine for marriage is simple. Also, I fire all Ivy league graduates who work under me or near me. Like street smarts and not book smarts. I also make fun of everything so please do not be offended. I change my opinion all the time if I hear something that makes sense. I am not stubborn. Do not like liberals much either but can tolerate them.
There are men and women on this board who have met me in person. They tell me I am very different in person that on this board. Which is true. I am not much of a keyboard romeo.
I encourage you to go after a 10. Very few good men visit. But these are not desperate women. I have met too many men in Kiev Ukraine with good looks, young, and money go home rejected as they really do not understand women. I know nothing about Russian women only Ukraine women. These men usually say oh she was a pro dater or spoiled. The reality is these men is not what these girls wanted. Physical looks are more important to men than women.
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Thanks for the info Kievstar, maybe I come off quite differently online than in person, as well. I am a conservative guy, as well, pro everything you said. I don't even know what an acceptable answer to them as to why I haven't been married would be. Thanks for the feedback kiev.
Give me a chance guys, I'm not that bad. Just trying to learn the right way to do this, or possibly, if it is even right for me. If I thought they were desperate I wouldn't bother. I respect my women, if for some reason I lose my respect for them , its done, we're over.
I was just joking about the grammar, of course none of you care.
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BTW-- you left "w" off the end of your name, Vowel Guy.
What are you talking about, how many vowels are there in your alphabet.
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Maybe your good looks, warm personality and future potential will prevail over your implied low financial stability, a factor important to all RW.
AEIOUY,
I feel your pain brother.
I too use to be a male beauty star (see picture #1 below). 8)
But alas, after several years of marriage to my RW, it has taken it's toll. Now I am just this old broken down shell of a man (see picture #2 below). :wallbash:
Life in the "fast lane" will tend to do that to you.
But seriously, If you are looking for a mate in the FSU you better be prepared to support her financially.
Before you even start this "adventure" do you have about $40 or $50,000 spare dollars laying around. If not, you might want to reevaluate your decision to pursue one of these ladies.
One guy here on this forum has been to the FSU 23 times and is going on number 24 next month! We are talking buku bucks here fella. :)
You may not have to be rich to do this, BUT, being in the "poor house" is out of the question.
Defintion (Poor House) : Living paycheck to paycheck with no back up money, property or investments.
To answer your first intelligent question I saw above. IMHO most FSU women at the age of 25 or older are ready for a serious commitment. At 25 they might be ready to leave Mom and the Motherland behind.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying FSU women are "Gold Diggers"..NO..What I am saying is they want "financial stability".
In other words they do not want to leave one "bad situation" in their Motherland for another "bad situation" here in the GoodOl' USA.
GOB
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I would like to know what Russian women's attitude towards AM is, if he is HOT!
So for a RW has not responded as you requested in your subject line??? You might think about that???
A women is a women. Your the man. You should not be asking this question about attitude towards the AM.
Your job is to do the choosing. Don't worry what you think their attitudes are. Most are very good.
To be honest your question conveys you lack confidence. Then you try to cover it up by inflating yourself with your words.
It will all work out.
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So for a RW has not responded as you requested in your subject line??? You might think about that???
RW are famous for sleeping in. They call it beauty sleep and they are very beautiful so go figure..
I'm sure they'll hop all over topic this after tea.
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aeiouy: I think the first thing you should remember before you start your search is that it isn’t just about good looks. If it was then I have no doubt I would have found a wife on my first trip.
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…. come to think of it, I did find a wife on my first trip. Problem was, I also found her husband. :'(
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Hi there! Yes, you are a good looking guy and kievstar is also good looking and i bet there are lots of guys with nice appearance, but we are all different people and some of us meet the right person very fast, others not so much. I agree with other members that it is all not about look. I know some clients who are very good looking guys, but still no luck.What i want to say is if you are going to look for your future wife in Ukraine or Russia, of course you need some amount of money to travel and then, when you got married, you have to support your wife. To my mind, all women want to have good life and future for their kids. The main is to be careful in your search, as there are many women who are gold diggers. I met some of them and these are girls even ready to marry suggardaddy, cause the most important thing for them is to have lots of money. But, the most of the girls are very feminin, family oriented and down to earth. At the age of 24-25 they are ready to get married and start a family. So, my advice to you, choose a country/city and concentrate on one place, be always careful and think always with your mind. As there are so many men, who start to believe everything what a beautiful girl saying and then, they are in trouble. I know this from my clients and don't want other men to repeat same mistake.So, i think, if you have a desire to search, you will have luck. Be confident and i wish you all the best! :)
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Ok
What do you consider substance in a woman?
What are your interests?
Kiev IMO pretty much asked the questions you are going to get asked. You pretty much will be seen as a "player". You are guilty until, proven innocent with Ukrainian Women. So if they are not asking those questions, pretty quickly. I would be cautious, you may be dealing with a Good Time Girl or worse.
You are seeing the blunt and forward nature from the men, to a much lesser degree. The women are about as blunt and direct as one can be. They have very good instincts, so how you fare after first trip is a good indicator IMO.
Welcome to the 30 something group. If you are not a little crazy, then I am not really sure how those people make out in this endeavor.
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Substance to me is, High moral standards, Intelligence, Kindness, Faithfullness, good with our children, my mother is amazing, and I want my wife and my kids mother to be amazing also. I just want the type of woman we used to have in the US. No, that doesn't mean I want her barefoot and pregnant, my wife will be my partner in everything, if she wants to work that's fine, if she doesn't that's fine also. I thought that FSUW are more liberated now and actually want careers and such, is this not true. Get off the money thing with me. You don't know what I have, if I were to start talking about money than I would appear even more vain, than I guess I already do.
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Sorry aeiouy but for some reason I just can’t take you seriously. My betting is that this is a wind up. If I am wrong then I suspect you will have difficulties ‘pulling’ even a ‘5’ in any FSU country …. but good luck either way.
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High moral standards- That is the are you must think long and hard about. From what I have seen, you need to understand the environment. If you do not understand the environment and history, then you are going to have issues. This is not absolutes, just some observations.
Some examples
Admission of mistakes- Being sorry and admitting they did something not good happened. Well if they focused on such matters, then it would destroy a person over time. It is a cultural thing, as are moral standards.
Stealing- A lot of what is yours is mine, a direct result from communism. So someone stealing is not going to be viewed as a bad person, in the same manner in American terms. Certain parts of society, will consider them smart and clever.
Stubborn- The point makes no sense, has no merit. You have shot holes in several areas of the theory. Still the right way to do it. They are strong, but you have to pick your battles. Different world and different perspective on how to solve an issue.
Superstitious- There is some pretty random stuff that comes up, not sure if that is moral or not. It does directly lead to stubborn though, if you question validity of such superstition.
So in the end, you have to be accepting of another moral compass. Their North is South sometimes. Pick your battles.
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Get off the money thing with me. You don't know what I have, if I were to start talking about money than I would appear even more vain, than I guess I already do.
There is a good FAQ section here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=21
.. addresses the cost factor and a host of other interesting, essential items.
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...very good looking guy who at 36 has no problems whatsoever pulling early twentysomethings who are 10's. ...
...because they are gorgeous...
...barely qualifies a man to marry a 10 or even an 8. I'm not being conceited or arrogant, but I believe I am a 10...
...looking for a Sugardaddy.
...So, are RW as materialistic as AW. How much stock do they really put into a man's appearance, personality, and disposition, wallet?
...Do RW want the money
Let me see if I understand this. Your main frustration with AW is that the gorgeous 10's that you believe you deserve favor sugar daddies? You are hoping that a 10 in the FSU will want you for your beauty alone?
I will try to be polite, but I sense a great deal of Narcissism in your posts. But, I will put forward a few ideas nonetheless.
I have to say, I am always fascinated by the use of the concept of a woman being a '10.' This indicates to me that a man is looking solely for arm candy, a status symbol that will reinforce his ego. Don't get me wrong, I wanted a woman that I thought was attractive, but I could care less whether other men think she's a 10 or a 9 or a 3 or any other integer. Looks were just part of a larger package.
Returning to female beauty, let us take the case of the woman who will be 10 in the United States and Russia. She will get a lot of attention. She will have men of all types interested in her (the rich, the poor, the beautiful, the ugly). If all she has to offer are looks and she is equally vain, odds are quite good that she will eventually pick a richer man as he will allow her to have a lifestyle that will help her maintain her looks: it is hard to have manicured nails when you are working as a janitor. If she is more cunning, she will understand that she will be able to have a rich husband and a handsome lover. In other words, a very beautiful woman will trade beauty for status. What does she gain by having a very attractive husband?
The above, of course, does not apply to a woman who is a 10 and has qualities other than looks, notably intelligence, personality, etc... Such women will invariably also expect more than just looks or money from a man.
Where does this leave an attractive man who is a '10'? My advice would be to look for women that are not perfect 10's whether they are in the USA or Russia. Find the woman who will wake up every morning next to you thinking: "OMG, I can't believe this gorgeous man is my husband." The woman who will stand next to you with pride that she was good enough to find such a husband. A woman that you might actually love for who she is and not for her numerical grading.
Craftier RW often do the same thing. They understand that a very handsome husband is likely to be a philanderer, and as such know that a less attractive husband is more likely to stay with them knowing full well that they will never be able to land a more attractive woman. As they will sometimes say, a man just has to be bit more attractive than an ape.
To conclude, my only advice is to stop obsessing as to whether a woman is a '10' and try to find somebody who actually wants to be with you and who may actually love you.
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Nah, aeiouy, being insanely handsome has never hindered me much. Sometimes the FSU ladies even gather around me to gaze upon my reflection in a pond, or building glass. It comes with the territory. What I do is simply spray myself with Deep FSU OFF before going out into the city. That is somewhat effective, but doesn't quell the hoards completely.
In all seriousness, you seem to be in a bit of a frustrated state of mind. THAT will cause you some problems because if you think AW are difficult to deal with sometimes, FSU ladies can try your patience like you will not even believe. Seriously.
To be ready for a real search for a lady there, find her, court her, develop relations, all of that, you have to become almost a Zen Master. It's a strange dichotomy really -- kinda like a stone block -- can't push it, but it doesn't attack either. They love to, as Kuna so eloquently put it, "lock horns" with you sometimes, and the ensuing "conversations" will really test your ability to remember you are on planet earth. .. but there is a very fine line between being strong and being an asshole. They don't want a man they can push around, but also don't want a man who will try to control them. Relaxed Strength comes to mind -- you kinda have to learn their way of arguing.. it's a different world really.
You wake up. It's a beautiful day. The birds are singing. The smell of life is in the air. You gaze into the eyes of an adorable FSU woman, and suddenly you are transformed into a dimension of dementia where the normal laws of logic and reason cease to exist. Your surroundings appear to be the same, however, the words you are hearing cannot possible be from a world resembling anything close to your former reality. You've been abducted into the the dimension of FSU logic. It's a strange place indeed.
You really have to be mentally prepared for some weirdness. Get that frustration out of your system before you give it a shot.. then get your ass on a plane and go see it for yourself.
Good luck,
Dave
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Does anyone else think it's interesting (odd) that a guy
asks a question in the Questions to Russian Ladies section
and in three pages only one RW replies and the rest are all guys?
Is it due to the high powered BS detector that most all RW
seem to have? or that 20 guys seemed to jump all over the
thread that have kept the RW from responding?
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Substance to me is, High moral standards, Intelligence, Kindness, Faithfullness, good with our children, my mother is amazing, and I want my wife and my kids mother to be amazing also. I just want the type of woman we used to have in the US. No, that doesn't mean I want her barefoot and pregnant, my wife will be my partner in everything, if she wants to work that's fine, if she doesn't that's fine also. I thought that FSUW are more liberated now and actually want careers and such, is this not true. Get off the money thing with me. You don't know what I have, if I were to start talking about money than I would appear even more vain, than I guess I already do.
Your opening post reeks of not only conceit but plenty of anger. Forget your girlfriend. If she was your girlfriend she wouldn't have kicked you to the curb for a pair of fake tits. Count your blessing you found out now rather than later after really getting poled. This is the type of lady you attract and are attracted to? You will likely be in for a long ride in the international dating scene.
I'm not trying to bust your chops here but you seem a bit confused. Your good looks might garner you some immediate attention but it won't last long and is that the type of woman you want in the first place. It's going to take a "real man" with a mind, heart and a soul to win, retain and keep a good woman. It doesn't matter on what continent you find her.
You seem to be making references that you don't have much money. Thats why the members here mention it. This type pursuit of a lady is by no means cheap. It takes a lot of cash upfront just to cover expenses. If you are penny pinching now you really can't afford it. If you go into hock in this pursuit it will be even more difficult to maintain after you bring her here.
Trust me when I tell you, don't just jump into this game because you are p!issed at a few AW who have wronged you. There are still plenty of good AW and plenty of bad FSUW. Slow down, work on yourself and your anger issues, whatever they may be. Quite honestly, you don't appear ready for any relationship just yet. IMO
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Does anyone else think it's interesting (odd) that a guy
asks a question in the Questions to Russian Ladies section
and in three pages only one RW replies and the rest are all guys?
Is it due to the high powered BS detector that most all RW
seem to have? or that 20 guys seemed to jump all over the
thread that have kept the RW from responding?
LoL .. I think some of us pay little attention to where a post is actually located. I didn't notice it was in the ladies section until you pointed it out..
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To conclude, my only advice is to stop obsessing as to whether a woman is a '10' and try to find somebody who actually wants to be with you and who may actually love you.
.. and is a great cook.
Great post Misha!
aeiouy,
You are getting a lot of great advice here. The archives are also a good place to dig into.. almost 170,000 posts with practically every topic imaginable, albeit with a little 'fluff n puff' in-between.
Here's an oldie but goodie IMHO:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1804.15
Is a short read, one that petered out quickly for whatever reason.
BTW Welcome!
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I think any poster is going to try to present himself in the best light possible when he introduces himself and that can appear vain to some. I'll cut you some slack on that part. Perhaps the first thing you need to learn is that the qualities FSUW desire in a man can be quite different than those of AW. What you might consider your strengths in the US may actually be weaknesses there.
You are going to hear a lot of dire warnings and opinions that will make you wonder why anyone in their right mind would even consider this. Listen, but don't take everything as absolute. Some have had bad experiences that have tainted their views of some things. Some want to exalt themselves by making it appear that they have accomplished something that the average man cannot.
One example is the money thing. Sure it is more expensive than dating the girl next door, but not prohibitive for someone with a decent disposable income. It's not a "money up front" type of thing as some have suggested but can be a "pay as you go" venture. As some have noted, for a good FSUW, the key is not that you are wealthy but that you can provide financial stability. Of course their concept of what this entails will vary from woman to woman. Find someone that is comfortable with your level.
What you need to do is to keep asking the right questions, no matter how basic they may be and have the skin thickness to brush off the personal assaults.
Leading with the looks thing is never a good thing, either proclaming your 10 status or that you seek only 10's. It suggests a focus on something that ultimately is way down the list of what should be your priorities. Given the choice between a short term hell with a 10 and long term happiness with a 7, I'll take the latter every time. I believe the odds of finding a beautiful woman that fits the other qualities that you want, if only because of the increased ratio of beautiful women in the FSU. You need to set a range of acceptable looks rather than an absolute. I did that and ended up with a 10 anyway. Sure I was an artists' model back in my college days, but that was a long time ago and I'm glad I didn't have to count on my looks when I was searching.
As some have also noted, you need to spend time studying the subject. Many here understand the RW mentality as well as can be expected and you need to understand the differences. Some will say that women are women everywhere, but I am not one who believes that. RW are unique in both wonderful and frustrating ways.
If you do decide to continue, you are in for the adventure of a lifetime. the risks are there, but from my experience the rewards are well worth it.
Good luck!
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It will be much cheaper to buy your next girl friend a pair of fake tits than seek a FSUW
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Does anyone else think it's interesting (odd) that a guy
asks a question in the Questions to Russian Ladies section
and in three pages only one RW replies and the rest are all guys?
Is it due to the high powered BS detector that most all RW
seem to have? or that 20 guys seemed to jump all over the
thread that have kept the RW from responding?
I would like to meet the FSUW, that does not speak her mind. That would be a first for me lol. I do not know any FSUW, that would be intimidated into silence. I am going with the "instincts" angle, and not compelled to help the OP.
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Your opening post reeks of not only conceit but plenty of anger. Forget your girlfriend. If she was your girlfriend she wouldn't have kicked you to the curb for a pair of fake tits. Count your blessing you found out now rather than later after really getting poled. This is the type of lady you attract and are attracted to? You will likely be in for a long ride in the international dating scene.
I'm not trying to bust your chops here but you seem a bit confused. Your good looks might garner you some immediate attention but it won't last long and is that the type of woman you want in the first place. It's going to take a "real man" with a mind, heart and a soul to win, retain and keep a good woman. It doesn't matter on what continent you find her.
You seem to be making references that you don't have much money. Thats why the members here mention it. This type pursuit of a lady is by no means cheap. It takes a lot of cash upfront just to cover expenses. If you are penny pinching now you really can't afford it. If you go into hock in this pursuit it will be even more difficult to maintain after you bring her here.
Trust me when I tell you, don't just jump into this game because you are p!issed at a few AW who have wronged you. There are still plenty of good AW and plenty of bad FSUW. Slow down, work on yourself and your anger issues, whatever they may be. Quite honestly, you don't appear ready for any relationship just yet. IMO
Right on FP - the BS Meter was off the scale after about 3 sentences of the first post.
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... FSU ladies can try your patience like you will not even believe. Seriously.
Dave
That's true, Dave, they will turn a guy inside out to see what his real values is ;D
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LoL .. I think some of us pay little attention to where a post is actually located. I didn't notice it was in the ladies section until you pointed it out..
Do you also wander occasionally into women's toilets ::) 8)? Someone here may crucify you for that ;D.
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I am not poor and have very good prospects, just don't have the money to Fly around the world
How much stock do they really put into a man's appearance, personality, and disposition, wallet?
And how do you plan to meet RW if you don't have the money to fly around the world? :D They must fly into your arms all by themselves, enchanted by your perfect "10" looks?
Regarding your question, I couldn't care less for a man's appearance if he is an arrogant fool. A perfect "10" can quickly slide to a perfect "0" once he opens his big mouth and starts talking nonsense.
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A perfect "10" can quickly slide to a perfect "0" once he opens his big mouth and starts talking nonsense.
:thumbsup:
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What are you talking about, how many vowels are there in your alphabet?
Vowel guy-- Vowels occur when sounds are pronounced with an open vocal tract so that there is no build-up of air pressure at any point above the glottis. Consonants occur when the mouth or tongue clips the air flow.
The vowels in the alphabet are represented by the letters a, e, i, o, u and sometimes y and w.
www.educationoasis.com/curriculum/Reading/glossary_reading_terms.htm
So maybe you will change your name to a.e.i.o. u.y.&.w :-)
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And how do you plan to meet RW if you don't have the money to fly around the world? :D They must fly into your arms all by themselves, enchanted by your perfect "10" looks?
Naughty, naughty Blues Fairy. You have already been told that you can't discuss money! ;D
Get off the money thing with me. You don't know what I have, if I were to start talking about money than I would appear even more vain, than I guess I already do.
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I would like to know what Russian women's attitude towards AM is! I am a very good looking guy who at 36 has no problems whatsoever pulling early twentysomethings who are 10's.
In thinking about this post, I realized that there is also the age issue. Here is one question: if what you are offering is looks, why should an early twenty-something settle for a 36 year old when she can get an attractive twenty-something 10? I am sorry if I have to burst your bubble, but when in comes to beauty, your best years are behind you. My guess is that the first gray hair has probably made its appearance, and your hair may even be starting to thin. Other subtle changes are also slowly creeping in. True, there are mean in their 40s, 50s and 60s who are seen as very attractive by women, but usually they have charisma, and intelligence. Simply put, you are not the male hottie you used to be (presuming you were one to begin with) :evil:
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Vowel guy-- Vowels occur when sounds are pronounced with an open vocal tract so that there is no build-up of air pressure at any point above the glottis. Consonants occur when the mouth or tongue clips the air flow.
The vowels in the alphabet are represented by the letters a, e, i, o, u and sometimes y and w.
www.educationoasis.com/curriculum/Reading/glossary_reading_terms.htm
So maybe you will change your name to a.e.i.o. u.y.&.w :-)
Looks 10
Humility 0
Education 4
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Vowel guy-- Vowels occur when sounds are pronounced with an open vocal tract so that there is no build-up of air pressure at any point above the glottis. Consonants occur when the mouth or tongue clips the air flow.
Not quite:
In phonetics, a vowel is a sound in spoken language, such as English ah! or oh!, pronounced with an open vocal tract so that there is no build-up of air pressure at any point above the glottis. This contrasts with consonants, such as English sh!, where there is a constriction or closure at some point along the vocal tract. A vowel is also understood to be syllabic: an equivalent open but non-syllabic sound is called a semivowel.
In all languages, vowels form the nucleus or peak of syllables, whereas consonants form the onset and (in languages which have them) coda. However, some languages also allow other sounds to form the nucleus of a syllable, such as the syllabic l in the English word table ['te?.bl?] (the stroke under the l indicates that it is syllabic; the dot separates syllables), or the r in Serbian vrt [vr?t] "garden".
We might note the conflict between the phonetic definition of 'vowel' (a sound produced with no constriction in the vocal tract) and the phonological definition (a sound that forms the peak of a syllable). The approximants [j] and [w] illustrate this conflict: both are produced without much of a constriction in the vocal tract (so phonetically they seem to be vowel-like), but they occur on the edge of syllables, such as at the beginning of the English words 'yes' and 'wet' (which suggests that phonologically they are consonants). The American linguist Kenneth Pike suggested the terms 'vocoid' for a phonetic vowel and 'vowel' for a phonological vowel, so using this terminology, [j] and [w] are classified as vocoids but not vowels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowels
The vowels in the alphabet are represented by the letters a, e, i, o, u and sometimes y and w.
Depending on authors, Y and W are also called semiconsonants: they are borderline cases, and dependent on their syllabic position: for instance, Y in YET and in SILLY are pronounced a bit differently, as is W in WET and in COW ;).
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Wow, thanks to some of you, most of you are petty, this must be an avenue for you guys to release your anger on innocent people. You can't judge me, you know nothing about me. I post one thread and you guy's already think you have my Psyche dissected...........PPPPPPLLLLease, c'mon guys relax.
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Wow, thanks to some of you, most of you are petty, this must be an avenue for you guys to release your anger on innocent people. You can't judge me, you know nothing about me. I post one thread and you guy's already think you have my Psyche dissected...........PPPPPPLLLLease, c'mon guys relax.
aeiouy,
That's the nature of just about any internet forum I've ever interacted with. From Drill Sargent, to Psychologist to psycho.. all forms of input will be present and that is positive. It's good to get all angles on any subject.
The real trick about all this is to pick out the valuable nuggets, even those you don't want to hear.
Explore the principles, don't dwell on personalities and you'll do just fine, with or without RW.
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Wow, this thread is off the hook! It takes several days for me to be absent and something happens...
Aeiouy, it's you who has to relax a little and start asking good questions.
For us to understand where you are coming from, please, post your picture (we will see what kind of 10 you are), let us know more specifics about your finances, tell us why exactly you would like to date RW, what your education/degree is, what kind of work you do and for how many years, if you own your home and if you have any debts or student loans... and so on....
It's great to be a 10, but it's just the beginning, you have to have many other positive traits or pluses if you wish about you. You can attract women but you can't make them stay. It will be even harder with RW.
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Not quite:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VowelsDepending on authors, Y and W are also called semiconsonants: they are borderline cases, and dependent on their syllabic position: for instance, Y in YET and in SILLY are pronounced a bit differently, as is W in WET and in COW ;).
Yeah, I know, Sandro. I was simply trying to give the elementary explanation.
School kids in the US memorize that the vowels are "a, e, i, o, u and sometimes y and w. The OP just forgot the end of it :-)
But now that you bring it up, sometimes "r" is a vowel (Vocalic R) and sometimes L and W function as vowels, too. All of this depends upon the word and the dialect of the region or speaker. But a look at the speech via a sound spectrogram reveals when the airstream is altered by the speaker.
Anyway, Vowel dude, we do give you credit for coming up with an original name! So much better than bill or bob! But did you consider Hollywood Bob?
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For us to understand where you are coming from, please, post your picture (we will see what kind of 10 you are)
He did have his picture (or someone's picture) posted when he started the thread. But someone said "you are no 10!" and he pulled it :-)
AEIOU, she is right. You have received the answer to your statement about looks, now ask other questions about this process...
Good luck!
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I love this vowel talk.
At first glance I thought it was eieio, which would be hilarious. Now if you want to have some fun and show a RW that you are more than a pretty face, sing Ol' McDonald Had a Farm with her , especially if she has young children.
Russian kids make different animal sounds than Americans do, and singing the song gets everyone giggling. And gives a small sample of cultural differences.
Kuna remarked about this some time ago and it is so true.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8583.0
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On a second look, it became clear. Rather than a list of vowels, this is a mnemonic.
Handsome, please confess and tell us what this particular mnemonic enables you to remember. Please.
We could have some fun here with the possibilities, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are serious.
If serious, I suggest that you join Elena's Models and write a few women. You will soon have partial answers to your questions. And do not mention that you have never been married. Just say you have no kids, yet want to have a house full of them.
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High moral standards- That is the are you must think long and hard about. From what I have seen, you need to understand the environment. If you do not understand the environment and history, then you are going to have issues. This is not absolutes, just some observations.
Some examples
Stealing- A lot of what is yours is mine, a direct result from communism. So someone stealing is not going to be viewed as a bad person, in the same manner in American terms. Certain parts of society, will consider them smart and clever.
Why date people from these "certain parts of society" where stealing considered being smart and clever? Strange choice...
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It will be much cheaper to buy your next girl friend a pair of fake tits than seek a FSUW
Truer words never spoken.
I/O
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Why date people from these "certain parts of society" where stealing considered being smart and clever? Strange choice...
Ooops:
It is not a matter of choosing or dating a person from that part of society. It is the opposite, finding someone that did not partake or condone such actions. Could explain why, not just say they "not like"
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It is not a matter of choosing or dating a person from that part of society. It is the opposite, finding someone that did not partake or condone such actions.
Oh, I see... Well, I've got a good news for you - most of people in Russia do not consider stealing as "smart and clever", so finding someone honest shouldn't be a problem. ;)
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Exactly, but there are those that like them some Loch.
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Now lets see the questions here (sorry but MrsShadow is occupied with some other gentleman ;D)
You feel you are goodlooking, but are worried that your gf is cheating on you, there for the example of the 'bad AW'.
How secure will you feel 5000 miles away when she does not answer the phone on a saturday night ?
Will you drop her like a sack of potatoes ?
If you look for the perfect woman, you will have to be the perfect husband for her. That includes more than good looks and/or a big wallet.
It takes knowing who you are, being sure of yourself. In your example you did nothing when seeing her chat with some guy. And (where she obviously seemed aware you noticed) did not react on the phone conversation as well. So you got dumped.
Try this on RW and they will dump you much less silent. :evil:
Now first take a good look in the mirror, slap yourself out of admiring and become a man. Then you might succeed.
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I just wanted to post something with a subject that would get noticed, I fully expected negative responses to the subject.
It seems that you got what you wanted to :)
Nevertheless I try to squeeze something from your posts that might indeed look like more or less meaningful questions :)
I really spent some time re-reading your initial post and thinking hard what might be the question for us to answer :) Not because of my English ;)
Let me take this:
So, are RW as materialistic as AW. How much stock do they really put into a man's appearance, personality, and disposition, wallet?
No more and no less than any other women in the world. Did you expect a different answer? :)
My question is: in all your valuable experiences, i'm not patronizing anyone, at what age do you think UW women are ready for a commitment? Obviously, that varies from individual to individual, but generally speaking. I've heard that FSUW mature faster than WW.
Please see my answer above.
To sum up, I wouldn't say that FSUW are different from the other female creations, but there is something inique about the dating dynamics in the FSU that makes us to decide to search abroad. Otherwise I hardly see any reasons.
And really aeioy, if you started your RWD presence with the Ladies room, why wouldn't you illustrate your post with some photographic eye feast for us Russian ladies ;) :) ? I mean, wouldn't you show yourself to us? We just luuuvvv attractive guys :) :-*
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Lily, LONG time no hear :(. Welcome back :D.
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O.K. Here it is fire away.
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Alright, I took my pic down cause I didn't need to be judged by a bunch of men. (and I'm still not sure that someone won't copy it and slander me, it could hapen, you never know). Someone wanted to see my pic. so I'm posting it now. Obviously, there are many things that I could comment on, seeing as how my comments seem to be the focus of some good/bad attention. As I stated earlier, my intentions with my subject heading was intended to have people sit up and take notice I did not expect this Much attention to my thread....... truthfully, I did not know what to expect. I guess I know now. I'll try to walk lightly, but honestly, once in awhile emphatically, and on ocassion vainly......(aw c'mon now, just joking here).
O.K. You are all going to give me another chance, because I am going to start asking some GOOD question's, and I am a Good guy and some of you will realize that. Those of you that don't......who care's life goes, on and I don't need you.
Take care ALL.
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Don't worry about your chances. If you can not take some from a bunch of unknown guys on the internet, you will not be able to handle RW ;) As for being a good guy, time will tell. We are just a mirror, nothing more.
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Kind of my first time on an internet forum, so I was not really sure of the etiquette, or the protocol, apparently it's sort of a free-for-all, say what you want to say, dog eat dog cyberworld, kinda like the real world Huh, . I can handle anything any of you can throw at me. I ain't going nowhere, gonna bring home my princess some day.
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Kind of my first time on an internet forum, so I was not really sure of the etiquette, or the protocol, apparently it's sort of a free-for-all, say what you want to say, dog eat dog cyberworld, kinda like the real world Huh, . I can handle anything any of you can throw at me. I ain't going nowhere, gonna bring home my princess some day.
The Shadow dude is right; try not to take things too personally. You'll find that people on DFs can sound far more blunt and aggressive than they would in the real world. Some probably take great joy in taking the piss out of some newbie with what seems like narcissism issues. ;)
What people said about looks is very true though; they may get you laid but it's your personality and ability to provide a stable and secure environment that will more likely land you a woman that you'll want to spend the rest of your life with. Sure, good looks certainly do not hurt either but I think most good women would have big concerns if she thought you considered yourself to be prettier than her. :D
And about the money. You don't need to be loaded and people can do this on average salaries; I'm pretty sure that there will be a tendency for those guys to rush into marriage and end up marrying someone they hardly know though. Those one week wonders will more often than not end with a train wreck. There are a bunch of threads here by people that did just that and some are true horror stories. Of course, there are always exceptions but they are few.
You could always try the easy route as some have done and date FSUW that are already in the US.
FWIW I still don't think you rate a 10 though. ;D
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O.K. Here it is fire away.
Welcome back, Vowel Guy. Now that you have survived the greetings, it's on to business, with questions like how to search, where to search, and red flags to watch for.
Start off by reading here. Trip reports show you what it is like on the ground, but go back a year or so to get the higher quality ones.
BTW-- good looks DO help a guy, or at the very least, can't hurt. But an average looking guy to below average does as well as the best looking guy in the fsu, because serious girls are looking for stability and a good heart more than anything. I mean, look at the pic of the guy above who just knocked your looks! Even he found a girl! AND--Three girls here rated you a "10," so how about that? LOL
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Kind of my first time on an internet forum, so I was not really sure of the etiquette, or the protocol, apparently it's sort of a free-for-all, say what you want to say, dog eat dog cyberworld, kinda like the real world Huh, . I can handle anything any of you can throw at me. I ain't going nowhere, gonna bring home my princess some day.
Maybe. Most of what you get here will be constructive criticism.
As has been said a number of times, looks are important initially, but if you think that being a 10 :rolleyes2:, or being tall are big factors, you have no clue about women. Of course this helps, no one is saying otherwise. But...
Seems women will have fun with you, but don't consider you anything more than just a play thing at the moment. Why is this?
More to the point. I'm Latin, not ugly, but I don't turn heads, I am also short. I have/have had more RW who want to marry me than I know what to do with.
Why? First and foremost women, and RW, think I have a great sense of humor (OP, you have yet to show this at all). They also say that I'm honest, hard working, REALIABLE, confident, and charismatic. I also don't have any relationship ending bad habits, like abusing alcohol, or being physically or verbally abusive for instance.
Please don't think it's as easy as just saying you'll do something, but I like your confidence, and persistence will be one of the keys in your persuit.
You'll find soon enough if you start this journey, that the pitfalls are many, and it is easy to get blindsided and left back at square one. I live here, so my odds are infinitely more real than yours, and I have had to deal with problems that would be almost impossible to deal with from afar. I'm here 24/7, you're not. I can at least somewhat deal with it. Makes a huge difference, obviously, and yet it can still pose problems.
Like someone said, wait until she disappears for no apparent reason (to you anyway), after you believe everything is great and you're in love...oh, and not to mention, America.
So, work on being a better, more complete person (we can all do this BTW), learn the culture and language this is very, very important, learn more about what makes a Russian cultured woman tick, because there are slight differences, and get over yourself. Then you might have a 10% chance of being successful. Otherwise I don't care if you look like Adonis, no RW, Ukrainian or American (as we already know) will deal with you longer than necessary.
FWIW I still don't think you rate a 10 though. ;D
You can put me in that group as well. No I'm not a hater, but fact is fact. You are certainly handsome enough to be successful as long as you combine the other characteristics I mentioned to complete the package.
We all think we're 10's until we stand next to one.
Here are some 10's, but even a few of these guys I wouldn't rate as 10's and all are better looking than any guy I've seen on this forum. Good luck and ...ladies enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=IjcKest6VBU&feature=related
chivo
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chivo, I opened this movie with anticipation to enjoy the watch, but I barely watched this for 1/3 of time. Just could not stand the view. A tens? ::) come on. Totally uninteresting, unexciting creatures of male beings :(
Male attractiveness is a little different thing. Yes it is connected with the person's appearance. An appearance signals us on the man's genetic chart, that means on the things that have been given him by God and parents, as well as on his acquired features and qualities, like demeanor, voice, manners, communicative abilities, etc. The latters are able to improve the formers, as far as I heard, that would mean that by working on self-improvement, we work on our genes to some extent.
Ultimately, for a female as reproductory force, it is the genes that are the most important in a prospective mate. It works instinctively and subconscionally, and irrespectively from whether she wants kids or not. Our instincts urge us to chose the best genes, and decline the men who do not exhibit excellent genetic code. The key is to exhibit them, to make them visible for women - as a rule, people don't have a lot of time to get to know each other good enough, so many of good gene charts remain unread, unfortunately. Their owners just could not exhibit them well enough.
Now on the Hollywood thing that was mentioned here. By talking about Hollywood, it looks like we are talking about very sexually attractive people, in particularly, the men. One should not forget, however, that the movie industry exploits quite many types of people, both men and women, so when we say 'someone is Hollywood gorgeous', each of us may mean rather different types of appearance. Jack Nicholson. Johnny Depp. Cary Grant. Leo di Caprio. All different guys, don't you think so? However I think that the audience would be rather similar in the internal qualities that those actors show in their screen characters. Determined. Unique. Bold. Dedicated. Passionate. Exciting.
As a woman, I perhaps could tell that the last quantity that I mentioned carries the most weight in the men's ability to attract. ' You excite me beyond my power to explain, you make my heart bubble like champaign' :) If the men excites me, I am probably quickier in love with him than I realize this ;) :) Female instincts conquered, the woman is conquered.
Perhaps I could mention one more thing that I noticed in many, if not in all exciting men that I met in my life. They all have in them some big deal of pleasure. If I look at the man, and his appearance signals me that this man has much pleasure in his life - the man is attractive. My instincts read up, 'if I go with him, I 'd also enjoy same pleasures as he used to do'. Beauty is, essentially, a promise of pleasure. If the man signals me that he used to have a dire life behind him, my female essence would tell me, 'hands off him, if he struggles, you as his woman will likely experience the same.' This is how mother nature tells the women to think. Both pleasure and tiredness may be read up from the person, that's why I think that we should exhibit our best :)
Isn't it what the author of thread meant by being Hollywood gorgeous? ;)
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Vowel guy-- Vowels occur when sounds are pronounced with an open vocal tract so that there is no build-up of air pressure at any point above the glottis. Consonants occur when the mouth or tongue clips the air flow.
The vowels in the alphabet are represented by the letters a, e, i, o, u and sometimes y and w.
www.educationoasis.com/curriculum/Reading/glossary_reading_terms.htm
So maybe you will change your name to a.e.i.o. u.y.&.w :-)
Maybe AEIOUY?W? Think I will change mine to WGAF :evil:
Vowel guy I will let you in on all the secrets of RWD. We are really just like a bunch of attack dogs who haven't been fed in days and have been trained to make vicious attacks on command. Here is a short list of the commands and the attacks. We have been trained by some great trainers ie jb, KenC et. al.
Command 1. I am 50 but look 30 (Go for the juggler)
Command 2. I am handsome, (bite off the ears and nose)
Command 3. My gal is 30 +/-years younger than me. (Go for the butt)
Command 4. I know all the answers, I have read all the MOB websites. (Kill)
Command 5. I want to know how to do a fiancee visa for a woman I haven't met. (Go for the privates)
Command 6. I am in love with a wonderful woman I have been writing from HRB (Dine on brains but it will be a small dinner)
Command 7. I had a beautiful woman write me on Match.com who already has a visa and is coming next month. What is the best way to send her money for her trip. (ah, keep our growls down and send him to Western Unions website. He deserves what he will get.)
There is more, but that gives you the idea. I would show you my scars but they are in a rather private area. :mooning:
The good side is if you throw us a bone or a steak once in a while sometimes we are not too bad. Sometimes I feel sorry for Dan who tries his best to keep us under some kind of decent behavior.
I really do think looks are not as important with FSU women. Many just want a good man who will give them a decent life and try to make them happy. It is really the way things should be. Looks are pretty superficial and the real beauty of a person is inside and RW do have a lot of inner beauty. Good luck with your search. You seem to be a pretty good guy and I am sure you will do well.
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chivo, I opened this movie with anticipation to enjoy the watch, but I barely watched this for 1/3 of time. A tens? ::) come on. Totally uninteresting, unexciting creatures of male beings :(
I have at times in the past, silently questioned your taste in men. But if these don't excite you, what can I say. I have no doubt you're in the minority. If I remember correctly, Brad Pitt is boring and uninteresting as well to you.
But, I have heard a surprisingly large number of RW tell me the same about him here, so maybe there's something to it. Seems he's too much like other RM in his looks to seem exotic or unique, or so I'm told when I follow up on the question of "why do you think so".
As you of all people know, it takes more than good looks to become "interesting, exciting creatures of male beings" (I do I love the way Russians use the language).
I would be interested in you showing me just what a 10 is in your opinion. If you're telling me the OP is and none of these guys are, then, all can say is I have the number of a good optometrist and would suggest you pay him a visit. 8)
This is basically about physical qualities, nothing more. I also said that I wouldn't rate some of them as 10's, but I think, better yet, know some are. And I don't think I will be alone in that assessment.
If the majority of RW come on here and agree with you, then I will stand corrected. Oh, and I have a number of RW who are in and out of my apt. during the week (I teach them English guys), and if they also agree with you, which I highly doubt BTW, then I will bow to your judgement. Somehow, I don't think this will happen. Good luck.
chivo
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However I think that the audience would be rather similar in the internal qualities that those actors show in their screen characters. Determined. Unique. Bold. Dedicated. Passionate. Exciting.
As a woman, I perhaps could tell that the last quantity that I mentioned carries the most weight in the men's ability to attract.
Perhaps I could mention one more thing that I noticed in many, if not in all exciting men that I met in my life. They all have in them some big deal of pleasure. If I look at the man, and his appearance signals me that this man has much pleasure in his life - the man is attractive. My instincts read up, 'if I go with him, I 'd also enjoy same pleasures as he used to do'. Beauty is, essentially, a promise of pleasure. If the man signals me that he used to have a dire life behind him, my female essence would tell me, 'hands off him, if he struggles, you as his woman will likely experience the same.' This is how mother nature tells the women to think.
Great stuff, Lily! My wife says you have it exactly correct.
And for those guys, those negative or greedy guys searching for a woman, your post should be gold. And a call to change.
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Male attractiveness is a little different thing. Yes it is connected with the person's appearance. An appearance signals us on the man's genetic chart, that means on the things that have been given him by God and parents, as well as on his acquired features and qualities, like demeanor, voice, manners, communicative abilities, etc. The latters are able to improve the formers, as far as I heard, that would mean that by working on self-improvement, we work on our genes to some extent.
Ultimately, for a female as reproductory force, it is the genes that are the most important in a prospective mate. It works instinctively and subconscionally, and irrespectively from whether she wants kids or not. Our instincts urge us to chose the best genes, and decline the men who do not exhibit excellent genetic code. The key is to exhibit them, to make them visible for women - as a rule, people don't have a lot of time to get to know each other good enough, so many of good gene charts remain unread, unfortunately. Their owners just could not exhibit them well enough.
Now on the Hollywood thing that was mentioned here. By talking about Hollywood, it looks like we are talking about very sexually attractive people, in particularly, the men. One should not forget, however, that the movie industry exploits quite many types of people, both men and women, so when we say 'someone is Hollywood gorgeous', each of us may mean rather different types of appearance. Jack Nicholson. Johnny Depp. Cary Grant. Leo di Caprio. All different guys, don't you think so? However I think that the audience would be rather similar in the internal qualities that those actors show in their screen characters. Determined. Unique. Bold. Dedicated. Passionate. Exciting.
As a woman, I perhaps could tell that the last quantity that I mentioned carries the most weight in the men's ability to attract. ' You excite me beyond my power to explain, you make my heart bubble like champaign' :) If the men excites me, I am probably quickier in love with him than I realize this ;) :) Female instincts conquered, the woman is conquered.
Perhaps I could mention one more thing that I noticed in many, if not in all exciting men that I met in my life. They all have in them some big deal of pleasure. If I look at the man, and his appearance signals me that this man has much pleasure in his life - the man is attractive. My instincts read up, 'if I go with him, I 'd also enjoy same pleasures as he used to do'. Beauty is, essentially, a promise of pleasure. If the man signals me that he used to have a dire life behind him, my female essence would tell me, 'hands off him, if he struggles, you as his woman will likely experience the same.' This is how mother nature tells the women to think. Both pleasure and tiredness may be read up from the person, that's why I think that we should exhibit our best :)
Unfortunately when I posted prior, all I read was the first two lines of your post. For some reason this was all that was posted on my computer.
Now that I have had a chance to read the rest, I couldn't agree more with you and, as usual, your follow up was indeed excellent. Hits the nail of the head so to speak. But, to answer this question even though your tongue is planted perfectly in cheek...
Isn't it what the author of thread meant by being Hollywood gorgeous? ;)
No.
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Command 1. I am 50 but look 30 (Go for the juggler)
Command 2. I am handsome, (bite off the ears and nose)
Command 3. My gal is 30 +/-years younger than me. (Go for the butt)
Command 4. I know all the answers, I have read all the MOB websites. (Kill)
Command 5. I want to know how to do a fiancee visa for a woman I haven't met. (Go for the privates)
Command 6. I am in love with a wonderful woman I have been writing from HRB (Dine on brains but it will be a small dinner)
Command 7. I had a beautiful woman write me on Match.com who already has a visa and is coming next month. What is the best way to send her money for her trip. (ah, keep our growls down and send him to Western Unions website. He deserves what he will get.)
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So, I guess he's been christened Vowel Guy ;D .. cool.. Ok VG, Lily summed up a woman's perspective quite nicely. "Excitement" is one of the primary keys to attraction. Truth be told, I'm just slightly more handsome than a muddy brick, and I'm not exactly tall. I have excellent luck in attracting RW because I have an uncanny ability to make them laugh. BUT, the laughter and comedy for those women who are attracted to me is one ingredient which defines "excitement" for them. This will not be the same for all RW. Some are way too serious and there would never in a billion years be a mutual attraction between us. The point is simply that your looks will get you in the door, but what you bring to the table in excitement will hold her attention, and what you offers as stability (financial, emotional, blah et al) will allow her to consider you seriously as a long term prospect. Kinda like the food pyramid of relationships.
Doing a serious self evaluation will assist you in focusing on the right kind of lady you can catch and keep. Whether she's a 6 or a 10, you really must identify the personality type of the lady who will be enamored with your inner world, and you with hers, and stick with it. If you venture outside this compatibility area simply because she's a hot babe then you'll probably be creating some pretty big problems for yourself down the road.
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I would like to know what Russian women's attitude towards AM is! I am a very good looking guy who at 36 has no problems whatsoever pulling early twentysomethings who are 10's. The problem with this is, those are the one's who think that because they are gorgeous they deserve someone with millions. Case in point: An exgirlfriend AW of mine went out to some bar and I was supposed to meet her, I was late due to circumstances not in my control. When I showed up, some dude was hanging all over her and she was receptive to his advances. Well, needless to say I was PISSED, but I realized I couldn't make her come home with me so I left, (I considered kicking his ASS but that would only land me in jail and I get screwed again, oh wait I guess that would be me screwed once her getting screwed once). The next day I call her, no answer, day after she tells me that something happened that night ( yeah , no *snip*, tramp) and she doesn't know if we should be together. Of course, me being me, I wouldn't let her squirm her weasel self out of admitting to what she did. So she tells me that he offered to buy her fake tits, and she really thinks she likes him, he was a few years older than me and penniless, literally, the guy has nothing. Two days after that she calls me up wanting me back, Yeah right, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." I am not a rich man, but I work hard, am well educated and come from a loving kind family, I am not poor and have very good prospects, just don't have the money to Fly around the world and give her anything she wants. Is that not enough for women nowadays I know from personal experience, that it barely, barely qualifies a man to marry a 10 or even an 8. I'm not being conceited or arrogant, but I believe I am a 10. It seems to me that AW are regressing, they want and have for the most part, independence, individuality, and equality. The young AW's mothers and grandmothers paved the way for this and now they go back to looking for a Sugardaddy. Obviously, this is not true of all, but it is true of a large portion, and the good ones are so into their careers, or find a guy in college, they are hard to meet. So, are RW as materialistic as AW. How much stock do they really put into a man's appearance, personality, and disposition, wallet? Do RW want the money, I mean, I know everyone likes to be taken care of, but does that mean they want it given to them, or do they understand that, the right 2 people together can do Anything, and can accomplish Anything? Well I won't go on even I know there will be more things I would like to add as soon as I post. M Diva if you read this I would like to hear your viewpoint, you like shaking things up a bit.
Have not read all thread, but to the OP
They will be interested, do not worry. Drop me a line :D Just don't mention your ex any more, pleeeeaaase.
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As a woman, I perhaps could tell that the last quantity that I mentioned carries the most weight in the men's ability to attract. ' You excite me beyond my power to explain, you make my heart bubble like champaign' :) If the men excites me, I am probably quickier in love with him than I realize this ;) :) Female instincts conquered, the woman is conquered.
I take it Lily that you have a weakness for the 'bad boys' ;)
An interesting to note, the feelings associated with falling in love are similar to the adrenaline rush inspired by a bit of fear such as going down a roller coaster ride.
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O.K. Here it is fire away.
Sorry not my type. ;D
I prefer men with developed thinking muscles (eyeglasses do help!) who have "emotional and intellectual maturity" written all over their face.
Here are some 10's
Same here. Most of these look like (and probably are) 17-year-olds, what kind of conversation are they able to keep?
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what kind of conversation are they able to keep?
My guess: they will likely go on and on saying how hot they are. Their hope presumably is that the women will be transfixed by the torso and abdomen. They will have to find some venue of course where they can go shirtless :evil:
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Lily:
Pure greatness, I was worried about chivo for a post there. It is OK Chivo, those pesky computers sometimes.
Best thread in a while, please keep it going. For me, life is what you make it. I can have a great time heading to the mailbox. For some, it is a chore. For me, I could see some interesting insect or animal.
My trips to the Ukraine were going Native, and it was full of adventures. You can decide each morning, if it is going to be a good or bad day. Pay for excitement, or manufacture your own. Have a passion for your work, or loathe every minute. Use money to support your passions, or money be your passion. Learn from failure, or let failure dictate who you are in life. You can get frustrated all the time, or you can laugh about it. In the end, it is choices.
One man's trash, is another man's treasure. It is the same for women, just be who you are. When you find the woman that finds you a treasure, and you find her a treasure. Make her feel like the treasure she is in your mind, every day.
Then listen, and compromise. As crazy as the theory is, there is some golden nugget of wisdom in there. Albeit, it may take years of research to find it.
To many, my passions are boring and do not merit the effort consumed. To others, I could not explain in enough detail. Just find the woman that thinks your "tractors sexy." At that point, what everyone thinks does not matter. All you can think about is her, and what a treasure she is.
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I would be interested in you showing me just what a 10 is in your opinion. If you're telling me the OP is and none of these guys are, then, all can say is I have the number of a good optometrist and would suggest you pay him a visit. 8)
I wish I could show, but I can't. The reason is, first, that I cannot grade men on this scale. My first appearance on RWD was exactly about grading women, because I know that if men do grade, I better know how do they do it. But I don't think I am able to grade the men.I just can tell whether one is attractive or not. Or something about that. Well, if a certain man is constantly on my mind, and I associate my pleasure with him only, then perhaps I may be in love with him, and no grades are needed :) This man may have his drawbacks but his drawbacks belong to his whole package, so the question is whether they can be overcome or are they bearable.
Another thing why I cannot post the photos of the men who I loved, or love in the moment, and who I am used to think high of is that they all are real people, my friends and colleagues, not celebs whose pictures are on the net, and they all have their lives.
as for the bad boys - well, female nature made us women indeed inclined to bad boys, to certain extent. By the way, who told that we women are good? ;) The thing is what quality makes them 'bad', and whether this quality is bearable for life with him.
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........ well at least I now know that it isn’t just my vast wealth that women find attractive. Being a 9.9 and having a brilliant sense of humour are obviously helping too. 8) (Having the nickname Eeyore hasn’t done me any harm either. ;D)
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One man's trash, is another man's treasure. It is the same for women, just be who you are. When you find the woman that finds you a treasure, and you find her a treasure. Make her feel like the treasure she is in your mind, every day.
I'd like to comment the two first sentences of this quote. I did not wanted to quote just them as I was afraid to alter your idea in a wrong way, eventually.
Is it what you say that one woman's trash might be another woman treasure?
If yes, I could not quite agree with this statement.
Women tend to be attracted to the one and same men. That translates, if the man attracts one woman, the same man is very likely able to attract another woman. And the other women. The reason is because he has something in himself that makes him sexually attractive. Some attractants that we all want to distinguish, and to develop. Vice versa, if a woman did not find a particular man attractive, the probability is high that the other women find in him the same, and this man, albeit he is an overall good guy, may stay single for life. Of note, here I mean the instincts only, I don't take a situation when a woman accepts a proposal because she wants some benefits from him other than love.
Same tendency about the men in relation to women would be quite similar, but men tend to disseminate their attention some more evenly among women. If a woman is not attractive to one man, the other man may find this woman attractive.
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Women tend to be attracted to the one and same men.
Sorry Lily, I have a hard time believing there is only one type of man that is attractive to all women. :-\
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I am afraid maybe we need to break this down. You do not factor in insecurity of women, and the need for security. What one woman is secure with, another would be insecure.
Sure there is instincts, but instincts are a combination of biology and environment. IMO not mutually exclusive. You stated the vastness of looks and personality of Hollywood, and how women are attracted to different types.
If we drill down to the underlying factors of this, some is biological and some is environmental. Where one person finds one type of person attractive, the other is not attracted to that type of person at all.
Everyone is different, due to life experiences and genetic makeup.
Woman have different wants and needs, just like men. What is interesting to one woman is not to another. What is funny to one woman, is not to another. A persons character, is as individual as a fingerprint.
Some woman find security in the material, others could care less. Some woman find security in a family, others do not want children. Some woman want adventure, and not to be bound to anything. Clothes and looks make some woman, others intellect.
Every person is vary building blocks. It is all relative, since you identify with certain people. Your normal, is not another persons normal.
So what one woman finds a treasure, another woman would think is trash.
It may be cruel, but it is reality.
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Vice versa, if a woman did not find a particular man attractive, the probability is high that the other women find in him the same
Then how do you explain the fact that a great many unattractive (and sometimes downright repulsive) guys still manage to find women willing to marry them? :D I don't think those women overcome their repulsion in marrying those men - perhaps more likely their notion of "attractive" is somehow different from yours and mine?
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Then how do you explain the fact that a great many unattractive (and sometimes downright repulsive) guys still manage to find women willing to marry them? :D
I will use myself as a case in point. When my wife brought me to her house to meet her family, her sister's comment to her when I went to the washroom is that she found me too "fat" (толстый). My now MIL told her to shut up as she was not one to talk given her preference for skinny alcoholics :evil: Though I am not obese, I will be the first to admit that I have a bit of a belly. Fortunately, my wife does not like very skinny men. So, using the logic that there is only one type of men pleasing to all women, I should never have married my wife given that I did not fit my sister-in-law's standards :-X
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Women tend to be attracted to the one and same men. That translates, if the man attracts one woman, the same man is very likely able to attract another woman. And the other women. The reason is because he has something in himself that makes him sexually attractive. Some attractants that we all want to distinguish, and to develop. Vice versa, if a woman did not find a particular man attractive, the probability is high that the other women find in him the same, and this man, albeit he is an overall good guy, may stay single for life. Of note, here I mean the instincts only, I don't take a situation when a woman accepts a proposal because she wants some benefits from him other than love.
Same tendency about the men in relation to women would be quite similar, but men tend to disseminate their attention some more evenly among women. If a woman is not attractive to one man, the other man may find this woman attractive.
Lily, I'm always about self improvement and self respect. I wish some men would understand what you are trying to say.
Its not about the women.
When a man has his chit together and not in an arrogant way he can attract almost any female. He will be able to walk away from any women anytime when he knows something is not right. In the end he will find the right women because of the way he is. He might attract a good time girl but will recongnize it and walk away.
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Sorry Lily, I have a hard time believing there is only one type of man that is attractive to all women. :-\
No, not the one type of man is attractive. I did not mean this. My example was rather to show a tendency that there are men out there who are attractive to women, and there are men who are not attractive to the women.
Then how do you explain the fact that a great many unattractive (and sometimes downright repulsive) guys still manage to find women willing to marry them? :D I don't think those women overcome their repulsion in marrying those men - perhaps more likely their notion of "attractive" is somehow different from yours and mine?
Probably the women who chose those undesirable or repulsive men were guided by reasons other than love. Perhaps the benefits of living with those men were greater than the sense of repulsiveness.
Here is the article that I find true about the strategy of human mating. Sorry Russian only. There is an English translation but not sure whether it is accurate.
http://protopop.chat.ru/tl3.html
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Then how do you explain the fact that a great many unattractive (and sometimes downright repulsive) guys still manage to find women willing to marry them? :D I don't think those women overcome their repulsion in marrying those men - perhaps more likely their notion of "attractive" is somehow different from yours and mine?
BF, because the women are not as qaulity as they appear. They go good with the man you are talking about.
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Probably the women who chose those undesirable or repulsive men were guided by reasons other than love.
Or the women who chose men solely on looks are guided by lust ;) Much like the men whose sole criteria is landing a '10' :evil:
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I will use myself as a case in point. When my wife brought me to her house to meet her family, her sister's comment to her when I went to the washroom is that she found me too "fat" (толстый). My now MIL told her to shut up as she was not one to talk given her preference for skinny alcoholics :evil: Though I am not obese, I will be the first to admit that I have a bit of a belly. Fortunately, my wife does not like very skinny men. So, using the logic that there is only one type of men pleasing to all women, I should never have married my wife given that I did not fit my sister-in-law's standards :-X
Misha, I think it is not just your physique that made your woman love you :) Women fall in love because of something else than a body, and you were successful in exhibiting them to your wife.
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Sure there is instincts, but instincts are a combination of biology and environment. IMO not mutually exclusive.
I'd say they're basically two-tiered, for both women and men to varying degrees, i.e. going after:
1. The person you'd willingly marry
2. The person you'd enthusiatically jump into bed with
Luck is finding both in the SAME person, mutually ;). Which instinct is prioritised will also yield different 'types' 8).
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Misha, I think it is not just your physique that made your woman love you :) Women fall in love because of something else than a body, and you were successful in exhibiting them to your wife.
I agree with you, which is why I was questioning your statement that seemed to imply that women can only fall in love and love (two different things IMHO) only one type of guy.
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I agree with you, which is why I was questioning your statement that seemed to imply that women can only fall in love and love (two different things IMHO) only one type of guy.
My statements will not appear strange for those who read the article that I linked on.
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My statements will not appear strange for those who read the article that I linked on.
Give me a few days as the article is in reality a "book" that is 87 pages long LOL.
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Give me a few days as the article is in reality a "book" that is 87 pages long LOL.
You lot are so serious, you scared the OP away....I will not get my perfect 10 :-(
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You lot are so serious, you scared the OP away....I will not get my perfect 10 :-(
I do not think he is scared away. He is a night owl and now sleeping.
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I have to agree with Ranetka here. Way too much serious analysis in my opinion. You either click with each other or you don’t, it’s not rocket science unless you want it to be.
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Misha, I think it is not just your physique that made your woman love you :) Women fall in love because of something else than a body, and you were successful in exhibiting them to your wife.
trust me Lily the body has a lot to do with it...that is if your boyfriend is not 30 years older....
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trust me Lily the body has a lot to do with it...that is if your boyfriend is not 30 years older....
...No more older gentlemen for Ranetka for sure...
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...No more older gentlemen for Ranetka for sure...
Dont say that on here
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trust me Lily the body has a lot to do with it...that is if your boyfriend is not 30 years older....
Maybe, but fortunately intelligence does not really decline with age, not until you are quite advanced in years in most cases. Fortunately, my wife ranked intelligence higher than physique. Other women ranked physique higher. Their choice. Thank God we don't have to please all women, just one wife 8)
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Who agrees that our poster is a 10?
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Who agrees that our poster is a 10?
I think you're the only 10 here, Anastassia. Too bad you're already married... :evil:
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Who agrees that our poster is a 10?
... aeiouy does. :)
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Maybe, but fortunately intelligence does not really decline with age, not until you are quite advanced in years in most cases. Fortunately, my wife ranked intelligence higher than physique. Other women ranked physique higher. Their choice. Thank God we don't have to please all women, just one wife 8)
Amen to that.
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I fully agree with your last comment Ranetka. :)
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I think you're the only 10 here, Anastassia. Too bad you're already married... :evil:
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Well, I didn't really expect this kind of answer/joke. Thank you TwoBitBandit. ;) (I am actually very happy that i am married. But I spent less than a year on match.com searching for my love.)
But really, the author posted his picture. What do you think? A 10 is different for different people. What would be the opinion of the members here? Just curious.
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:hipdude:
Well, I didn't really expect this kind of answer/joke. Thank you TwoBitBandit. ;) (I am actually very happy that i am married. But I spent less than a year on match.com searching for my love.)
But really, the author posted his picture. What do you think? A 10 is different for different people. What would be the opinion of the members here? Just curious.
9 to 10 to me, honest
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seems a handsome enough guy..?
but sorry nastya ,he's not my type!!
:)
seriously i think men have a hard time rating men
we have very little idea whats truly attractive to women, because women's taste vary more than ours ?
a list of hollywoods most famous men would show a very diverse look?
arnold? mel? pierece brosnon? clint? brad? depp? downey jr? cruise? nikolson? russell? crowe?
while a similar list of hollywood female starletts would have a lot of similarties?
some diversity yes,, but not nearly as much as on the male side of things?
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I agree with you AJ, I really have no insight into what makes a man handsome or not. Some of this I think is just me, some of my (straight) male friends seem to have clearer opinions about which men are handsome.
I also agree that men seem to have a narrower collective opinion of what a good-looking example of the opposite sex is.
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Dementia is knocking at my door. In answering aeiouy's question, how could I forget about AJ? Happily married for over 5 years (yes?).
Here are a couple of photos of AJ with his lovely lady.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?ind=gallery&op=foto_show&ida=72
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?ind=gallery&op=foto_show&ida=150
AJ is also the equivalent of a rock star in motorcycle jumping (don't hear so much about that lately).
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I've noticed that guys here get really touchy if a new member claims to be handsome or looks 10 year younger. To brag about the former may be arrogant and the latter is such an enduring cliche that it's almost comical whenever someone says it.
Regardless, being handsome is going to open more doors and present more opportunities for meeting women, absolutely no doubt about it (although I'd caution any guy who considers himself a metrosexual that such a lifestyle may be construed as more appropriate for women than men). What happens after that is purely up to the individual, and being dealt a good hand is irrelevant if you don't know how to play it.
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What happens after that is purely up to the individual, and being dealt a good hand is irrelevant if you don't know how to play it.
Great line, Groove!
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Well, I'm sorry I missed the "10" pic. Really. Can someone rehost it?
:D
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Well, I'm sorry I missed the "10" pic. Really.
Actually, you didn't miss much. Really ;D.
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Oh he posted his pic for us all to drool over? Really? Oh where oh where can I see it? THERE IT IS, I SEE IT!!!!!!! It is right over there to the left!
Oh wait, that's me....
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I would like to know what Russian women's attitude towards AM is
if you still read this thread: I have not seen your photo so i won't comment on your '10' look. Generally - 5'11" isn't "very tall" for man. This was a minimum acceptable for me for example, my husband is taller. As some of the men said here - women are quite tall in Ukraine, and probably taller in Russia.
Generally speaking of how much ukrainian females appreciate males' looks - you need to find a woman who will love you. If you find such woman - how you look is unimportant - for her you will always be the only one and the most handsome one. All your weaknesses and vanity will be perceived by her as your "individuality" and "being special". From a financial point of view - it could be easier if you find a well-off woman in Ukraine and move to her - not take a penniless ukr/rus girl to the States. If you are indeed 10 and will not cheat on her, will contribute at least some portion of family budget, will father a child for her, and will give the child a US citizenship - your low earning ability might be outweighed by your good looks and good nature. I would not expect though that you will find a 10 woman in these circumstances. A well-taken-care-of "6" maybe - if 6 uses good gym, good outfit, and has money - she can look like 8. What's even more important - it is against your interest to target young 10. A vain person will not praise your beauty because she will be feeding her own narcissism. A woman with more "modest" appearance will be treating you as a "god-like" (if she will love you, and there are more chances that she will love you rather than 10 will).
How much should you "contribute" if you would move to Ukraine - i'd suggest the following estimate numbers: if the woman owns apartment, has good job, and lives in one of larger ukrainian cities - you earning $1'000+/mo should be ok. The more the better. You can also buy an apartment there - as a one-time initial contribution into your future family - instead of spending 20K+ for bringing woman to USA. It's not very favorable time for such operation because Ukraine (and RUssia too) are in crisis now. So apartments are cheaper, but harder to find a job. Same as in USA.
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What's even more important - it is against your interest to target young 10. A vain person will not praise your beauty because she will be feeding her own narcissism.
Great line, mies!
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I just do not understand the fuzz about it , if you are that hot and handsome as you say and such a damn great personality, what is the problem then? You should be married by now with kids, instead you criticise women from everywhere and your obsession with looks just really tempts us to take a good look at your picture ;D
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Very well written Mies.
Simoni is a ninja turtle! I guess you have been promoted from pirate.
Hope the little hero in a half shell is doing well.
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Some people will never find what they are looking for, there will always be someone better in their mind. I do not know if this is or is not the case with the OP. There was really nothing of substance provided by him.
Is that because there is none, or lack of disclosure? I do not have the time to figure it out, or the ambition to. I am more than willing to help people, that want to help themselves.
It is really hard to offer much advice, if someone is not asking real questions. Allowing us to understand who they are. What they are looking for in the FSU.
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I think you’re all being a bit hard on Victor Vowel. He was gorgeous, no doubts about that. Not so sure about the Hollywood reference though, more San Francisco if truth be told. :-*
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Being very good looking is like an enzyme at a very high concentration, you dramatically increase the chances of random collisions; with women in this case. If a '10' male cannot find a good looking woman who also has substance and has to resort to looking online or overseas, he LIKELY has some serious personality flaws.
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Simoni is a ninja turtle! I guess you have been promoted from pirate.
Hope the little hero in a half shell is doing well.
Good eye, Diplomacy! Yes, the pirate has now become Michelangelo, the Ninja Turtle! I think you are the only one to notice :-)
And Mies, I agree. Your post above was EXCELLENT!
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:-) thank you.
I was not sarcastic in my post - just honest. I do know a UW who was eager to marry an AM on the described conditions - he was supposed to move to Ukraine where he could have "any job he likes". They broke up shortly before marriage, unfortunately, due to guy's initiative so I don't know what his reasons were. But i think a very happy couple can be formed in this way. I know several men from Europe who moved to Kyiv, earning the amount i mentioned (that is they are not rich but "ok" by local standards) and living a normal average ukrainian life with ukrainian wives and kids. They are happy and being loved though not rich.
I also know a ukrainian girl who married a ukrainian guy. She owns apartment and earns something around $3-4'000/mo. He doesn't work for money - only rarely some freelance, and is enjoying his sport hobbies and participates in voluntary work. He is very handsome, and he knows it. They are of the same age (that is the girl isn't much younger). The girl has "ok" look - i'd say a solid 8 (about 5'9"-5'10", 140-150lb, busty, very long legs). But because she works so much - she doesn't have time to dress well or attend salons so she looks more like 6-7. Girl doesn't mind providing the family. Recently they had a child. About her husband - she loves him dearly, posts his photos everywhere around her office and always tell everybody how handsome and talented her husband is. She has older car, and also bought a nice car for her husband. Her choice isn't very typical for ukrainian woman, but many beautiful and nice-looking women marry men who don't earn very much in Ukraine. I don't see why the OP can't fit into that category if he will live in Ukraine.
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if you still read this thread: I have not seen your photo so i won't comment on your '10' look. Generally - 5'11" isn't "very tall" for man. This was a minimum acceptable for me for example, my husband is taller. As some of the men said here - women are quite tall in Ukraine, and probably taller in Russia.
Luckily for us vertically challenged guys there are still quite a number of tiny women who fit nicely under the arm. ;D Hey, I'm a giant in Mexico or the orient! heh
I agree with your narcissism comment. That can run both ways as well.
Hmmm $1000 a month, eh? Well now, I might just need to move to Ukraine -- and take my pink flower covered dually (thanks to your suggestion) with me. That along with the bike should freak out the locals and scare small children quite nicely. 8)
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Luckily for us vertically challenged guys there are still quite a number of tiny women who fit nicely under the arm. ;D Hey, I'm a giant in Mexico or the orient! heh
I agree with your narcissism comment. That can run both ways as well.
Hmmm $1000 a month, eh? Well now, I might just need to move to Ukraine -- and take my pink flower covered dually (thanks to your suggestion) with me. That along with the bike should freak out the locals and scare small children quite nicely. 8)
great idea :-)
i didn't want to offend the guys who are not very tall. Sorry if i sound this way. People can be beautiful/handsome with any height/weight. I simply mentioned that if you are used to feel yourself "very tall" with 5'11" - for ukrainian and russian women this would be a "standard of normal male height". "Very tall" for Ukraine starts somewhere around 6'2"-6'3".
I don't know whether it is easy for a foreigner to earn $1'000/mo in Ukraine. This is a number which would be sufficient for a "not poor/average income" UW to feel that her husband is contributing to family budget and not feel that she is being used. There could be some variation of course, depending on how much she loves him, whether he can help her with family/children/household duties, how many children they have, etc. If woman doesn't own apartment, and man buys apartment before marrying - he saves 200-500$/mo for family budget, so he can contribute less.
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Mies-
I admit a smiley or two would help sometimes with Ukrainians. There are times when I am never sure if it is a joke or not.
That all made perfect sense to me.
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great idea :-)
i didn't want to offend the guys who are not very tall. Sorry if i sound this way. People can be beautiful/handsome with any height/weight. I simply mentioned that if you are used to feel yourself "very tall" with 5'11" - for ukrainian and russian women this would be a "standard of normal male height". "Very tall" for Ukraine starts somewhere around 6'2"-6'3".
I don't know whether it is easy for a foreigner to earn $1'000/mo in Ukraine. This is a number which would be sufficient for a "not poor/average income" UW to feel that her husband is contributing to family budget and not feel that she is being used. There could be some variation of course, depending on how much she loves him, whether he can help her with family/children/household duties, how many children they have, etc. If woman doesn't own apartment, and man buys apartment before marrying - he saves 200-500$/mo for family budget, so he can contribute less.
Not offended in the least. I appreciate your insights. I have seriously considered living in Ukraine for at least a couple of years. I've never lived abroad and the situation for me is almost perfect to look at that option as a real possibility. Luckily for me I wouldn't need to find a job to earn a monthly income of what you indicated above, but hey, finding a sugar mama would also be nice! ;D I couple or three plastic surgeries, steal and hide her glasses, and I should be handsome enough to snag one! :P
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Where were all the tall people in the Ukraine? I am around 6'2" and felt like I was much taller than usual in a crowd. I had to put around, I may be shrinking. I do not know when it starts lol.
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I simply mentioned that if you are used to feel yourself "very tall" with 5'11" - for ukrainian and russian women this would be a "standard of normal male height". "Very tall" for Ukraine starts somewhere around 6'2"-6'3".
This was certainly not the case in northern Russia with the younger men. I rarely saw any men close to my height, and fewer yet that were taller (I am a just a bit shy of 6 feet tall).
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This was certainly not the case in northern Russia with the younger men. I rarely saw any men close to my height, and fewer yet that were taller (I am a just a bit shy of 6 feet tall).
i admit that my viewpoint could be biased. I am 5'8" and it is possible that all men who were surrounding me were taller - not because all men are taller, but because taller men were braver to approach me - some form of self-selection. Though i still believe that if we discuss a "model" look - by ukrainian/rus standards man should be tall. 5'11" is at the bottom of a "model tall" range.
By the way - common critic of Hollywood actors in FSU area - is that they have good faces and proportions but aren't very tall (or to quote directly "they are very short"). So when women discuss them or yellow press writes articles - they always mention it "yes - he is sexy but he isn't tall - look his wife always wears no hills" or "yes, he isn't tall, but he is still sexy".
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very tall to me is like Pavel Podkolzin :o name drop for all you in Novosibirsk... or dallas for that matter. I didn't know tall mean't 6'2 or 6'3 or whatever in the FSU. What if you are 6'1 and can dunk? Do you get to be called tall? Pretty sure average height in the USA is like 5'8.
Anyways for all you 5'11 hollywood short model types I've got a tune for ya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icr0eW1fRSs
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I have always found that 5'11 (180 cm) is not a bad height for a man :)
I'm 4'9 (150 cm). ;)
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that's a nice song :-)
our topic is drifting in a slightly different direction, but i will address your post Togofthekey.
I was expressing my opinion of my country with regard to the question of the OP the way i understood his question. I did not try to give official statistics on the population of USA or FSU.
The way i understood his question - he was asking for opinion and was trying to get realistic idea of his chances. He is going to compete with the men who are handsome, relatively young but not rich. He targets a much younger 8-10 girl.
How i understand the term "tall man"? that's when i wear a 2" heeled shoes and man isn't shorter than me, and a bit taller. I don't like looking down on men. I am 5'8", add 2" of heels - that's 5'10", and a little taller - that would be 5'11". I am definitely not the tallest girl in Ukraine - about the average. Most of the ukr males whom i know satisfy this +3" rule. Majority of my male ukrainian friends are taller than me even when i wear 4-5" shoes. In order to stand out from the crowd - man needs to be somewhat taller than that. Then women will say "he is so handsome, so tall". Cute face is welcomed, but a manly figure and good height is always a plus if you are trying to make your looks your main asset. And this is what the OP is trying to do.
and no need to get defensive Topofthekey ) I am very tolerant person, and happily married too ;)
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I am 5'8", add 2" of heels - that's 5'10", and a little taller - that would be 5'11". I am definitely not the tallest girl in Ukraine - about the average.
and no need to get defensive Topofthekey ) I am very tolerant person, and happily married too ;)
I highly doubt 5'8 is the average height of women in Ukraine. As for me being defensive... I'm booking my flight as we speak to go take on the great... well not great... the tall Pavel Podkolzin. Gonna go posterize him. ;D Get ready pavel!!!
(http://www.solobasket.com/fotos/3703_2.jpg)
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:-)
i can also add that gorgeous handsome men in Ukraine aren't very common. So OP has quite good chances (if he is as good as he says) competing with ukrainian males in the area of looks.
here you can check how guys and gals look in kiev http://photo.topdj.ua/25008/page5/. Not many guys there, but you'll get the idea. It's more or less what you see on the streets as well.
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How i understand the term "tall man"? that's when i wear a 2" heeled shoes and man isn't shorter than me, and a bit taller.
The same about me. If a man is taller than me when I wear my 4 inch high heels, he is enough tall man for me :)
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The same about me. If a man is taller than me when I wear my 4 inch high heels, he is enough tall man for me :)
thank you for support :-)
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i admit that my viewpoint could be biased. I am 5'8" and it is possible that all men who were surrounding me were taller - not because all men are taller, but because taller men were braver to approach me - some form of self-selection. Though i still believe that if we discuss a "model" look - by ukrainian/rus standards man should be tall. 5'11" is at the bottom of a "model tall" range.
By the way - common critic of Hollywood actors in FSU area - is that they have good faces and proportions but aren't very tall (or to quote directly "they are very short"). So when women discuss them or yellow press writes articles - they always mention it "yes - he is sexy but he isn't tall - look his wife always wears no hills" or "yes, he isn't tall, but he is still sexy".
Something I have found and still do find quite hilarious is that these very women (at least in America) who, by nature, would not consider a shorter man as real "partner/marriage material" are usually the most vocal about how shallow men are for wanting a shapely lady, or big breasts. It's a quite humorous double standard when you think about it. Why is it natural and quite "ok" for a woman to prefer a tall man however, but a man is "shallow" if he wants a thin woman? or gargantuan breastasaurs? 8)
Personally, I think anyone should seek and find exactly what he/she wants in a partner. I've dated ladies ranging from 4'11 to 5'11 and never had a problem with it though I'm sure we got some good snickers behind our backs as some of those taller ladies wearing heels would tower over my 5'8 height. Usually, I look for a lady around 5'4 or smaller when I am searching for the obvious reasons, but if I found a another attractive (to me) lady at 5'11 with the right personality, I'd be quite satisfied with her as well.
I guess physical attributes are important to some and not for others.. Size of breasts, height, hair/eye color are all non issues for me, however, I don't even mind if a woman is a little overweight (not obese) BUT, I can't deal with a big honker of a nose.. if I can't kiss her without bruising my face or putting an eye out, then I have to move on! hehehehe
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thank you for support :-)
mies, you are welcome, but it is not just a support it is a reality :) Some of my female friends are mush taller than me and they also love high heels ;)
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It's a quite humorous double standard when you think about it. Why is it natural and quite "ok" for a woman to prefer a tall man however, but a man is "shallow" if he wants a thin woman? or gargantuan breastasaurs? 8)
Size of breasts, height, hair/eye color are all non issues for me,
BUT, I can't deal with a big honker of a nose..
Damn straight! I don't care about the breatasaurses size wise as long as there is at least a little breatasaurs we are good haha. Height, hair color, and eye color don't matter either. :o There are women that are just as shallow as men are stereotyped to be. go figure.
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Damn straight! I don't care about the breatasaurses size wise as long as there is at least a little breatasaurs we are good haha. Height, hair color, and eye color don't matter either. :o There are women that are just as shallow as men are stereotyped to be. go figure.
i do care about the looks - my own and my husband's. I am relatively vain and reasonably narcissistic, and I am honest about it - with myself and with people around me. In communication I do not discriminate people around me on the basis of their height, looks, origin, etc. Yet, I believe I can choose accordingly to my wishes the person to "procreate" with - since for this purpose i need only one person. If I were hopping from one man to a more handsome one, richer one, taller one and so on - i guess I could have been considered shallow. But I don't ) I am attractive enough to pick men, and lucky enough that man whom I picked loves me too.
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i do care about the looks - my own and my husband's. I am relatively vain and reasonably narcissistic, and I am honest about it - with myself and with people around me. In communication I do not discriminate people around me on the basis of their height, looks, origin, etc. Yet, I believe I can choose accordingly to my wishes the person to "procreate" with - since for this purpose i need only one person. If I were hopping from one man to a more handsome one, richer one, taller one and so on - i guess I could have been considered shallow. But I don't ) I am attractive enough to pick men, and lucky enough that man whom I picked loves me too.
My only thought is that compared to the standards men are held to what you just wrote about should be considered shallow. Men who chase after women with large breasts and other physical features and admit those features are important to them get labeled that very easily. If applying the same rule to you that those men are faced with. You'd be labeled shallow if height was a big issue (the same a guy would if breasts are a big issue)
I think Daveman was just pointing out a double standard.
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I could be way off on this, but, I have the impression that looks and vanity are MORE important to FSU people, not just women, than they typically are for Americans. I base this barely formed opinion on two experiences...
when I was in Odessa a year and a half ago I met two ladies.. one purely as a friend and one as a potential love match. Coincidentally these ladies knew each other because they were from the same agency. After I returned to the USA I was informed by the friend that the love interest did not like how i dressed and a laundry list of other visual criticizms that had absolutely nothing to do with who I am as a person. The entire critique was about superficial things. Needless to say I did not pursue this lady even though she continued to write to me.
And, currently with "A".. she knew in advance I carried some extra weight and always said it wasn't important. All that changed after we met. Mostly she says she is concerned for my health and doesn't want me having a heart attack, but, she also said.. "You want beautiful girl, I too want beautiful man". She was very pleased I lost 30lbs in 4 months, but, wants me to lose another 20 and will then be satisfied that I meet her visual standards.
I suspect there is a lot of agency hype involved in the myth that FSU women judge men by their character more than how they look. I also believe that superficial concerns of "image" are far mroe important than they should be and in my mind represent a major flaw in the mindset of FSU people. As I said I could be completely wrong about all of this, but, those are my observations after four trips and countless correspondences.
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I could be way off on this, but, I have the impression that looks and vanity are MORE important to FSU people, not just women, than they typically are for Americans. I base this barely formed opinion on two experiences...
when I was in Odessa a year and a half ago I met two ladies.. one purely as a friend and one as a potential love match. Coincidentally these ladies knew each other because they were from the same agency. After I returned to the USA I was informed by the friend that the love interest did not like how i dressed and a laundry list of other visual criticizms that had absolutely nothing to do with who I am as a person. The entire critique was about superficial things. Needless to say I did not pursue this lady even though she continued to write to me.
And, currently with "A".. she knew in advance I carried some extra weight and always said it wasn't important. All that changed after we met. Mostly she says she is concerned for my health and doesn't want me having a heart attack, but, she also said.. "You want beautiful girl, I too want beautiful man". She was very pleased I lost 30lbs in 4 months, but, wants me to lose another 20 and will then be satisfied that I meet her visual standards.
I suspect there is a lot of agency hype involved in the myth that FSU women judge men by their character more than how he looks. I also believe that superficial concerns of "image" are far mroe important than they should be and in my mind represent a major flaw in the mindset of FSU people. As I said I could be completely wrong about all of this, but, those are my observations after four trips and countless correspondences.
Actually in my fairly extensive experience, I have found that a very high percentage of FSU ladies jusdge a man's character by HOW he looks. I have heard more times than I can count "I can know all about a character from a photo"... Personally, I have to rely on the Magic 8 Ball, but photos seem to work for them.
Appearance is very important to most of them, as are the opinions (showing you off) of the friends, family, etc. about appearance. Basically, if there's not a bit of envy over your appearance, she won't be satisfied. Not all, of course, but I sure have seen many examples of it.
Mies, didn't mean to insinuate you are shallow if that is how you understood my post. I just get a kick out of the double standard and the idiotic rantings of some women in the world.
Top, ain't it a hoot to listen to that nonsense? Oh well, one of life's amusing quirks. ;D
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I could be way off on this, but, I have the impression that looks and vanity are MORE important to FSU people, not just women, than they typically are for Americans. I base this barely formed opinion on two experiences...
but, she also said.. "You want beautiful girl, I too want beautiful man".
I suspect there is a lot of agency hype involved in the myth that FSU women judge men by their character more than how they look.
I may have shared this anecdote already. When I first me my wife's family, my SIL told my wife (then g/f) that I was to fat for her [I was in the washroom at the time]. My MIL told her to shut up as I was not her b/f and told her that she liked me.
So, you have two sisters who valued looks differently. The older sister, was much more obsessed with looks than the younger sister, my wife. My SIL looked at physique and beauty before other considerations. My wife looked for intelligence and kindness among other traits, believing that a man should be simply a bit more attractive than an ape.
So, I would say you are right about agency hype. However, I would be wary to fall into the other extreme and say that looks are the most important criteria for a RW when choosing a man.
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Average height of an AW:
Everything I have heard or read say 5'4.
http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/growthcharts2/f/avg_ht_female.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
The only thing I could find in regards to RW/UM heights came up on Google which led me to E/Ms where they did a demographic of women seeking marriage with AM. Hahahaha! Wouldn't ya know it :) Well anyway according to them the average height of a woman on their site was 5'6.
My personal recollection from visiting Krasnodar was that the women were both very attractive and VERY tall.
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Size of breasts, height, hair/eye color are all non issues for me, however, I don't even mind if a woman is a little overweight (not obese) BUT, I can't deal with a big honker of a nose.. if I can't kiss her without bruising my face or putting an eye out, then I have to move on! hehehehe
Daveman,
For example a man's hair/eye color is non issues for me either, but size of his breasts would be, though even I like when a man to be a little chubby. Robert is too far to be chubby... and I love him ;), but I think if he would be much shorter than me... it would be too much for me, but if he had the same height as me and was a little chubby, like a little bear ;D I don't think it would be a big problem for me. :P About nose... I think that a big tall man with a big nose looks more proportionally than a short skinny man with a big nose. I don't remember me kissing a man with a big nose ::) or may be I did not pay attention and he was a master of kissing :P ;D In any case I can say nothing about it.
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Jolly.. I don't know.. maybe you are just tall and don't see all those short girls..???
One of the things i have enjoyed about dating in the FSU is NOT having an issue finding women shorter than me.. I am 5'9 and it has been really easy unlike here in Cali where a lot of women and people in general are taller than I am. For the record I lived with a woman who was 5'10 for five years.. smaller is better for me.. ;)
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I highly doubt 5'8 is the average height of women in Ukraine. As for me being defensive... I'm booking my flight as we speak to go take on the great... well not great... the tall Pavel Podkolzin. Gonna go posterize him. ;D Get ready pavel!!!
(http://www.solobasket.com/fotos/3703_2.jpg)
As a Maverick fan, I had "high" hopes for 7 foot 5 Podkoizin! But he let us down; or perhaps, was never given much of a "shot."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Podkolzin
Dallas strikes again with another FSU player. This time it's the Cowboys, with defensive end Igor Olshansky. Then Dnepr native is indeed an outstanding NFL player. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Olshansky
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Looks down his nose at sculpto and says "At 5'10 & 3/4 I am above the national average but no where near a giant. And yes, there are a lot of tall women here in SoCal, but then Cali is not really America is it? :)
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Meanwhile, the OP, who has not posted at RWD in more than a month and was last seen here March 3, has taken his "good looks" to Hollywood, where he is appreciated... ?
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As a Maverick fan, I had "high" hopes for 7 foot 5 Podkoizin! But he let us down; or perhaps, was never given much of a "shot."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Podkolzin
Dallas strikes again with another FSU player. This time it's the Cowboys, with defensive end Igor Olshansky. Then Dnepr native is indeed an outstanding NFL player. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Olshansky
No Simoni Pavel really sucked. He's playing in the second division in Russia. Mark Cuban is/was obessed with finding a real big to put next to that pushover with a great jumper (dirk). Pavel was not nor ever will be an NBA caliber player.
The Jazz have a nice player in Andre Kirilenko (AK47) but IMO Jerry Sloan mismanages him. Sarunas Jasikevicius was in the league for awhile but went back to Lithuania. The best I can think of that ever came out of the FSU is Sabonis. Most of my favorite European basketball players came out of the former Yugoslavia. Drazen of course being my favorite. Pretty sure he is the only one in the hall of fame so far.
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Wouldn't ya know it :) Well anyway according to them the average height of a woman on their site was 5'6.
If you take first 50 profiles of Russian women you will get 5'7 - 5'8 (175-176 cm) as average height ;)
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If you take first 50 profiles of Russian women you will get 5'7 - 5'8 (175-176 cm) as average height ;)
That is presuming of course that they are being 100% honest :evil:
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That is presuming of course that they are being 100% honest :evil:
Misha,
Honestly I don't know. Is there any sense to lie about height? ::)
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Olga dear they post fake and old pics.. lie about the age of men they are interested in.. and who knows what other fabrications.. so why not exagerate how tall they are? 99% of the men never show up anyway and they might think they make more money if they are taller.. i mean get more letters hahaha!
anyway.. I felt taller in Moscow than I do in SF, but, not nearly as tall as I feel in Mexico...
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Misha,
Honestly I don't know. Is there any sense to lie about height? ::)
Well, some will certainly lose a few years, lose a few kilos and add a couple of centimeters here and there ;)
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Guys, I just can tell that you know better :) I think if an agency wants to be considered as a honest agency the agency must take the biometrics of all clients and be fully responsible for all information ;D
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EM wrote that they took all the women who registered, did not break them down by country and put together some numbers, ie: height, weight , age, etc. I saw numbers for two different years, both showed average height as 5'6.
Yes women post fake photos, had it happen to me more than once. Yes men do the same, have heard from more than one woman (here in US) that this has happened. Men also lie about height, weight, hair, etc. It is easy to hide behind the internet and be what you think will attract attention. But the wool comes off when you meet. It's a little harder (ok, extremely ) to discern someone's motives, especially if you're thinking with Mr. Winkie :)
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there are several dimensions in this discussion
1) do you men really think that women are made of different material than men are? do you think that a beautiful woman wants to have an ugly child from an ugly man, unless she absolutely has to choose this particular ugly man? (taking situation to the extreme) Would you think that a handsome and kind-hearted man will want to live his life with very ugly woman?
2) IMHO people who are weaker on a "looks" side, or lack self-confidence though their looks are ok - tend to look down on moral qualities of beautiful people - as a mean to compensate for own insecurities. Let's say average looking woman looks at the Hollywood gorgeous man and thinks "he must be a cheater so I don't need him" even though he was never an option for her anyway. Yet, she cannot know whether he's a cheater or not, he might as well be an ideal husband and father. So in my opinion - real tolerance regarding looks means you not only tolerate people who look worse than you, but you also can appreaciate people who look better than you - without being jealous and calling them shallow and vain.
3) praising own outstanding "kind-heartedness" and "high moral values" and "nice character" in the pride-vanity sphere is no better than praising own looks. If you can't be humble about your heart of gold you should not critic the person who isn't humble about their beauty. In short - don't judge others.
4) yes - body does tell quite much about the individual, especially after 30yo - starting with his lifestyle, drinking habits, addictions, poor food quality, lack of exercise and passive lifestyle, and so on.
5) I understand that somebody may feel attached to his/her pounds, and i also believe this is rude to tell your spouse or gf/bf "you should lose your weight". BUT. If the person is clearly overweight - it would not harm if this person will start exercising and eating healthy. In the end - nobody wants a spouse to die from heart attack 10-15 years earlier than they would if they lose extra weight and start living healthy NOW. If your BMI is 29+ and you think that wife gives you salads because she's rude and shallow - caring only about looks and not about your wonderful inner world - well, maybe you are fooling yourself, and your wife only wants what's good for you.
Finally - if options were "good personality but ugly" and "sweet-faced a--" - most women will choose good personality. But the world is much more diverse than that. Between those two extremes there is a huge range of varieties, where you can find a good person with good looks, and a bad person with bad looks. So in the end "shallow person" is making a choice between "good looks and good personality" and "good looks and bad personality". What this shallow person chooses is a totally different story, unrelated to our discussion of looks or personalities. Psychoanalysis isn't my strength, but i'm pretty sure that Jung and Freud talk a lot about it.
P.S. what looks tell about the person:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_x9C1Zutro-Y/R77P2wHuObI/AAAAAAAABPQ/EE0HEc2WlIU/s400/amy_winehouse3_300.jpg
http://media.photobucket.com/image/kate%2Bmoss/celebritybodygossip/kate-moss-party-picture.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YmujEDWi14U/SAiI4DpagnI/AAAAAAAAAUE/P3eTyMUGilg/s400/kabaeva_8_1.jpg
http://netdel.ru/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/malinovskaya.jpg
http://gdb.rferl.org/CA05F376-14CE-4DB8-8C1B-CFB992B8916E_mw800_mh600.jpg
http://www.idiot.ru/images/18590134_Bufer_obmena01.jpg
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That is presuming of course that they are being 100% honest :evil:
Of course she was being honest - it was her height.
Women lie about their weight
Men lie about their height.
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3) praising own outstanding "kind-heartedness" and "high moral values" and "nice character" in the pride-vanity sphere is no better than praising own looks. If you can't be humble about your heart of gold you should not critic the person who isn't humble about their beauty. In short - don't judge others.
That reminds me of a Dutch comedian.
An inaccurate translation of his work:
"It is not polite to tell someone they are ugly. I prefer to tell them they have a nice character......... (some time later)..... one of my friends had a baby recently. When I saw it I immediately said he has a nice character. He had the nicest character I have ever seen...." :evil:
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So in my opinion - real tolerance regarding looks means you not only tolerate people who look worse than you, but you also can appreciate people who look better than you - without being jealous and calling them shallow and vain.
True, there are some people who are attractive, yet are modest and not arrogant. I respect that. The same can be said of some people who rich, intelligent, successful, etc... However, there are some people that are shallow and vain. I won't necessarily tell them that to their faces or tell everybody that I know, but I will certainly think it :rolleyes2:
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That reminds me of a Dutch comedian.
An inaccurate translation of his work:
"It is not polite to tell someone they are ugly. I prefer to tell them they have a nice character......... (some time later)..... one of my friends had a baby recently. When I saw it I immediately said he has a nice character. He had the nicest character I have ever seen...." :evil:
:ROFL:
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I do not think that in FSU looks were very important. At least not officially, and definitely not for women. FSU people do tend to feel somewhat sensitive about their looks - because they don't have a culture of feeling comfortable about their bodies and what they wear. I would say that official "policy" was to assure woman that being humble, "little grey mouse", hard-working, "natural beauty" is a true female's good virtues. If woman were bright and aggressive - she often became ostracized. If she even tried to look attractive - she was becoming target to massive criticism from members of her community. When the old rules in the society were broken in 1991 - people were breaking those rules to the extreme. So now the women do everything in order to emphasize their physical beauty.
Here is a bright example of the "old" approach.
In my high-school, when we were 15-16, it was approximately 1995, a girl came to class with nail polish (barely visible "nude" color) and just a little bit mascara. Personally - I did not even notice that the girl had a nail polish. Until the physics class - taught by the school principal, commonly gossiped about to be gay, and a real jerk. He was giving the lecture, then he stopped, went to her place, and told her "go wash yourself". She didn't understand what he meant. So he repeated again "go wash yourself. what are you - a whore? what does this dirt does on your face and nails? you are dirty. Go wash yourself. this is school, if i ever see you with make up again you will be expelled." The last phrases he was saying when she was already standing by the whiteboard and he was showing her to class.
needless to say we were shocked. Even most stupid boys were shocked and didn't try to make jokes about it.
I, myself, received hundreds of comments about my "doll face" and "my looks" from professors and colleagues in multiple variations, summing up to the idea that pretty woman should be stupid, or I should not concentrate on my looks and should try to look modest and that i "look bad because I am not modest enough". Even though i was the most modestly dressed/looking girl in my class during college years, and top of the class in grades - my parents are strict and they brought up me with "old values". So over years of "special training" i developed my own opinion of people who are giving me stories of "inferiority and vanity of beauty" and "superior moral qualities of modestly looking people". To my most active "teachers" I happily told "and who is fool now?" after i became independent, while they are still poor, progressively aging , and progressively unattractive.
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when I was in Odessa a year and a half ago I met two ladies.. one purely as a friend and one as a potential love match.
1) friend was envy/jealous?
2) advice for your ex-potential love match: "with such friends you don't need enemies" (old russian saying)
3) if your friend were from an agency I would think that you bring more profit to them when you correspond with multiple women, rather than with one "love match".
4) how can you be so pristine-ly naive?