One can buy Microsoft office 365 pro plus 2019 for under $3 on Ebay. Good for 5 devices and it has lifetime activation.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-office-365-pro-plus-2019-account-lifetime-5-devices-5tb-cloud/383311405273?hash=item593f23e0d9:g:xRkAAOSwTYZd7jx-
I suspect this is a highly illegal product and Microsoft can probably disable it on your computer.
You, sir, are certainly correct. I, for one, would not like to operate with a pirated product. For the same reason, I pay for the movies I watch. Life is too short to be cutting corners.
Makes me wonder what type of moral argument stands up against the Chinese for stealing our intellectual properties when we're willing to steal intellectual properties on a personal level.
I suspect this is a highly illegal product and Microsoft can probably disable it on your computer.
It's eBay. Better than a good chance the product IS coming from China.
Makes me wonder what type of moral argument stands up against the Chinese for stealing our intellectual properties when we're willing to steal intellectual properties on a personal level.
I suspect this is a highly illegal product and Microsoft can probably disable it on your computer.You can download Apache OpenOffice 4.1.7 for free from http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html ;)
Wow. I think he actually believes this.
Microsoft Office 365 is a subscription plan. There is no "lifetime" key. Each account is payed in monthly or yearly subscriptions. Monthly for business accounts, yearly for home users.
You can download Apache OpenOffice 4.1.7 for free from http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html ;)
Ebay has become a much safer place to buy from now even if product is coming from China. They are still selling fakes on Ebay pertaining to certain items like perfume but Ebay guarantees a full refund if you were delivered a fake from China. If you bought a product that isn't genuine from China, file a claim on Ebay. Takes less than a minute. The seller is supposed to supply you a shipping label to ship the product back and full refund. The Chinese shipper will offer a discount hoping you will keep the item. Don't take it. They won't provide a shipping label because it cost more than the product is worth. After a week and there is no resolve between you and shipper, Ebay will pull money out of their account and refund you in full.
Most of the Microsoft keys I buy come from Europe, specifically the UK. Don't know why less US sellers selling Microsoft keys than Europeans. I suspect Microsoft put as much restrictions on US sellers as the laws allow and European laws allow sellers there more freedoms.
I will yield what you say to be legit, BillyB. I won't doubt that.
There is no license key for someone to call in to activate.
Again, there is no "lifetime" license for Office 365. Just because someone on Ebay sells it as such doesn't make it true.
Academic licenses of Office 365 is based on yearly subscription fees, at a discount from the home version.
It is massive self justification for stealing where he may. It is like saying: "I didn't get caught, so it is not against the law." Like all of those sub-contractors that Trump intentionally didn't pay. Wow. It costs too much to prosecute me, so it can't be against the law.
Everyone can twist logic to acquire/obtain things that were not meant for them. Whether it is taking free refills at a soda fountain at a fast food place (why do you think they have cup sizes?) to justifying obtaining pirated software, to robbing a whole country of its intellectual property rights, in your heart of hearts, you know what is right and what is not right.
If a person is online, they don't need to call Microsoft to give them a key. Computers take care of activation. Instructions on how to input your key to various Office programs including 365 at Microsoft's website below.
http://support.office.com/en-us/article/where-to-enter-your-office-product-key-0a82e5ae-739e-4b92-a6f4-2ec780c185db?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US
Here are 3 Office 365 plans Microsoft offers. One is free with no subscription ever. The other two cost $2.50 and $6 per month. No yearly fees and each plan is good for an unlimited amount of users. To qualify for a plan, one must be a student or teacher to sign up. For the rest of the unlimited users, it does not say they have to be a student or teacher.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/academic/compare-office-365-education-plans?activetab=tab%3aprimaryr1
I do.
Please stop this misinformation campaign. There are some people who will just take your word and not bother to click on the link.
The A1 package is something a student or teacher can sign up for themselves. It is a "free" version and is online only. It is a web service version of Office, and require academic verification. Again, it is subscriber based and is checked monthly.
The A3 and A5 are organization level packages. A university or school needs to sign up, similar to a corporate sign up. The cost is $2.50 and $6.00 PER USER/month. The plans allow unlimited number of users withing the organization, but the cost is increased by licensed user at the stated rate. And they requires annual commitment, which equates to $30/per year per person fpor A3, and $72 per year per person for A5.
We have the king of such relations as our President, currently. But he is negotiating for the US. So now we think using such tactics as he uses is appropriate. While that might be the proper perspective for our competitors, I do not thing we should be using such tactics with our traditional allies and friends.
...I will easily fill up my cup once the foam clears on the top when I'm at Pollo Loco (the only fast food place I'll go to...)
(sorry ML)
Try Pollo Inka. 100x better IMO. There's one in Redondo Beach, Hawthorne and Gardena. You'd be so happy you did you you'll even vote for Trump to show your appreciation.
Go for it Trench. With the money saved, it's one more date you can go on with a woman and increase your chances on getting lucky. You can thank me later.
I've known some secrets for years but this time I wanted to help ML and everybody here to save some money with a tip on how to buy software which will save each person hundreds over the years. My Christmas present to the forum. A thank you would be nice but instead I get labeled a liar and thief. I would've been hung by now if it weren't for the public hangings ban.
You clicked on the Microsoft link and failed to comprehend it and then proceeded to spread misinformation about what Microsoft said. I hope you're not an educator educating kids.
In a previous post you said Office 365 was based off yearly subscription fees. Fees are monthly on the A3 and A5 packages and the A1 package has no fees . All packages allows unlimited users and Microsoft doesn't say who those users need to be, just the person signing up has to be in school.
Wrong. The Microsoft page I provided offers the A1, A3, and A5 packages for students only. In the upper left corner above the A1 Package, click on "staff and faculty" button. There you will be taken to another page to see all three packages specifically for faculty and staff. They have a free A1 package option too or they can pay a couple dollars more than students for their respective A3, and A5 packages. ML's wife, a professor, may be interested in one of those packages.
Earlier you mention there is no Office 365 lifetime. Microsoft offers that but charges a one time fee for it and only offers it in a Home and student version for $150. I suspect that is the number Microsoft writes off per person using free or near free versions of Office 365. Probably why they continue to allow it to sell on Ebay. The sales may or may not break their rules but at a $150 value a pop, they're financially benefiting listing each copy used as a loss or charitable contribution on their tax return.
http://products.office.com/en-us/compare-all-microsoft-office-products?&activetab=1
Each person has to be accounted for as being part of the organization that registered for the academic version.
The one time purchase version is Office 2019, not Office 365. And it only contains MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint.
As usual, when Silly Billy is wrong, he'll argue black is white rather than admitting it ;)Aren’t you describing yourself?
You're making rules up that aren't there. Microsoft says the person who signs up has to be in school. Microsoft doesn't define who the unlimited people in their plan have to be. I doubt Microsoft has the time to verify unlimited people.
It's under Microsoft's "Get the most from Office with Office 365" page. The reason the one time purchase and own it forever version doesn't have 365 in the name like the others is because it's not a yearly(365 day) subscription.
Why get mad at me? Get mad at Microsoft for ALLOWING their product to be sold on Ebay for almost nothing. Microsoft, like everybody else, has a limit on charitable contributions they can claim on their tax returns. You can be one of those unlimited people in a qualified person's Office 365 plan for cheap and help Microsoft achieve their limit on charitable contributions which in turn helps reduce their taxes paid to zero or you can pay full price and help Microsoft make money so they can pay more taxes. They win either way. You have a choice if you want to win or lose.
My posts are to convey the actual product information for Office365 and Office 2019 to readers who may otherwise be mislead.
The simple fact is that you're using someone else's account to tap into their purchase of Office 365. It is why they tell you up front that you will not have your own account - someone else's email. But that you can change your password.
It says right on Microsoft's website for academic versions, unlimited people get to use it after a qualified person in school signs up for it.
Earlier I put links to sellers who sold on Ebay for years and sold thousands of Office software. Microsoft and Ebay allows them to sell. They didn't just sneak through the cracks and for years nobody knew they were there selling illegal stuff. Like I mentioned earlier, go sell an old Windows 7 activation key without offering a piece of hardware and your listing will get taken down and you'll get a message for violating Micosoft's terms for selling the product. Microsoft does not sue Ebay. Ebay works with Microsoft and when Microsoft points out listings that violate their terms, Ebay will promptly take them down. So if you see a seller that's been around for awhile, not banned, and sold thousands of Microsoft product successfully, that seller is selling a legit product that does not violate Microsoft's terms for selling the product.
You are wrong. Spent 10 years working at Microsoft. You cannot get a legal copy of Office for what you saw on the Ebay link.
If you want to buy pirated copies of software, that is up to you. Since I am a software developer and you are stealing software and you are a contractor, why don't you come over and fix my roof for free? Sounds fair to me.
Microsoft is a very big and complicated company. 10 years is not enough to know all the ins and outs. I spend tens of thousands on Ebay every year to buy parts for my other business. One can not simply sell illegal stuff on Ebay without Ebay taking action. Ebay wants to stay in business and keep their reputation clean. They don't want to get sued, especially by the most powerful companies on earth. On products like software, Ebay will work with the software companies to remove any listing they feel is violating their terms to sell the product. There are sellers that sold there for years and sold thousands of Microsoft products without their listing getting removed or them getting banned. That is the clue they are legit. Listing that get removed soon after popping up is a clue those listings don't meet the terms required to sell Microsoft product. Why does Microsoft allow this? My guess is to take advantage of tax breaks maximum allowable by the law.
I use a free office program called OpenOffice. I bought my wife Microsoft Office off Ebay for her studies and after this discussion, I've learned the Academic versions can be had for low cost or free right on Microsoft's website. I overpaid. I don't do roofs but I will if you're willing to overpay me.
That's it? Microsoft is a big and complicated company?
I'm wondering how many people actually think that Microsoft is inviting people (you know, as a charitable contribution to the industry like he argued above) to buy licenses for Office 365 on the internet for under $5.00? But if you buy it, you can't use your email address because it already has someone else's email address attached to it.
I think we should run a poll here. Anyone willing?
Duh!
Lee, you old dog, you. Glad to see you posting.
This is a black and white situation.
I think we should run a poll here.
Yes, this is a black and white situation but you don't know all the ins and outs of the rules. People who don't sell Microsoft products on Ebay legitimately get their listings removed and if they do it multiple times, they get banned. Those who sell the proper way get to stay and sell Microsoft products for years. Guy in listing below been on ebay 16 years and has recently sold nearly 3000 Microsoft Office 365
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Office-365-2016-2019-Pro-Plus-5-Device-PC-MAC-Not-Key-10s-Delivery/163930879848?hash=item262b0ab768:g:MPoAAOSwSKJdpSwr
A poll doesn't get to decide Microsoft's rules to selling their product. It's a good thing for them many people think like you pertaining to this issue on their software. You can get Windows 10 Pro for $199 or for free on Microsoft's website. Your choice.
All this doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense Microsoft can pass out their Office 365 software for near nothing or free and let unlimited users, which isn't defined, use it. It's like Marlboro passing out free cigarettes at schools. Get people hooked on the product and write off the freebies as a loss. There are legitimate freebies out there. Microsoft allows it. It's up to you if you want some. Next time I install Microsoft Office on my wife's Mac, I will get it off Microsoft's website for students instead of overpaying at Ebay.
Whether the situation is actionable or whether Microsoft just doesn't care
You're using someone else's account. Duh!
Every user has an end license agreement. Where is yours? With a guy that may or may not have signed up, but you don't know? But you say, with perfect authority, that the person you bought that software from has an UNLIMITED license?
Show us your license! Surely you can call the guy you bought the software from for $3.95 and he will show you a license? Nobody is mad at you. You just don't admit when you're wrong.
Amazing Microsoft makes any money at all. Because obviously, this software is free. NOT!
That's what the unlimited people Microsoft allows to do. Duh! One qualified person signs up and is allowed to have unlimited people on their account. If you don't like Microsoft's rules, don't get mad at me, get mad at them.
You seem to keep ignoring the fact, on the microsoft site, it CLEARLY STATES $x.xx PER USER/MONTH.
The plan lets the organization add as many users at the same rate. If it's $2.50/month (for student A3 package), then if 200 students are registered, then the cost for the school is $500/month. If 1,000,000, then $2,500,000 per month, etc.
Also, with an annual committment. The minimum cost for the school, for 1 million students, is $30,000,000, payed in monthly $2.5 million installments.
I prefer FOSS (free open source software). The choices are plentiful, with good programs for everything, and the price is free
Someone selling a key on the internet that is not accompanied by a license:
you try and explain that using such software does not require a license.
The use of someone else's account.
I probably pay around $600 annually for various software licenses.
An activation key that you buy to activate a Microsoft product is your license to use the product. Before the software becomes activated, the key is checked by Microsoft computers to see if it's legitimate. Go offline if you want a Microsoft employee to verify the key is legit. Microsoft doesn't activate bogus keys.
I gave you the link to download Windows 10 for free. Install it on a new hard drive on your computer. If you're already using windows 10, the key is stored in your motherboard so it will activate a new copy of windows so download Windows 8.1 instead. After download you will be able to use the operating system but some features will not be available. You will only use what Microsoft allows you to use without an activation key and you will get the annoying message the Windows is not activated and may not be genuine although you downloaded it from Microsoft's website. Microsoft will never send a message to somebody they are illegally using their product without a key. Maybe because it's not illegal?
Nobody in my house uses someone elses account. Those who are selling Office on Ebay and been there for years are allowed to sell the way they do. They state their rights at the bottom of their listing and Microsoft allows them to continue to sell. Find a listing with a new seller that has few feedback with a generic listing and listing no rights of theirs. Save the page on your desktop. Revisit it in a few days and you'll find the listing taken down. So you can learn who's legit and who's not legit but instead you make the assumption everybody on ebay isn't legit when you have zero knowledge of the subject.
Wonderful. You can help Microsoft make profit and pay more taxes buying legitimate products. I'll help Microsoft get tax breaks on legitimate products they allow to sell on ebay cheap. If we both sleep good at night, it's a win win. When my wife's Microsoft Office 2019 gets old, I may consider enrolling her for an academic version of Office 365 for cheap or free right off Microsoft's website.
...I have family that think that stealing music, movies and software is not a crime.
HDL, if you go on Microsoft’s community forums none of them employees will say it’s illegal to selll Microsoft on EBay because it’s not illegal. Microsoft doesn’t get to make all the rules. If a seller posts his rights based off government law, they can sell Microsoft products. If one buys a key that is stolen or fake, Microsoft doesn’t have to activate the product since they control the verification process. With the invention of computers they can monitor what employees took what keys, void those keys and fire the employees. It’s hard to believe Microsoft has no idea about how to monitor their inventory unless they want enough loss to achieve paying zero taxes for the year.
GQ, I don’t spend a lot of time figuring out how to save money . Its easy to figure out legit sellers from scammers. It’s easier to figure them out than figuring out women. I use free office software anyway. I don’t need to be cool owning name brand software.
Maybe I wasn't fully versed about the ultimate decision made on the argument against Napster. But I'm still on the fence why it was deemed 'illegal', or why it is considered thievery.
If I *paid* for music (or anything), then decided to share it with a family or friends; they in turn return the favor of sharing theirs with me; and so forth and so on - not one of us is 'profiting' monetarily on these 'sharing' - how is that defined as theft? How is it against any law that I share things I already bought and paid for? Where does this stop?
I can see the crime only if people profit monetarily for the exchange. I know the argument made was 'loss of revenue' because artists loses monies as it halted further sales of their 'products'. If I let my neighbor borrow my vacuum cleaner once a month, am I causing Hoover loss of revenue?
Fine, but I think the bigger crime before the birth of the internet was the record producers during the introduction of CDs as it phased out audio tapes and turntable records. I still remember these idiots advertising to the public that the CD technology caused dramatic cost reductions compared to manufacturing of tapes and records. The obvious reasons were both in the drastic reduction in material and labor costs it takes to produce an album. At the time, a cost of $12.00-$15.00/album was supposedly a *temporary* charge to give them time to properly gauge how much the actual savings will be for the public. They felt they owed it to the public that they too should also reap the benefit of the new technology. They projected then that in a year's time price changes will be made. 20 years passed and nothing changed.
We all whistle the happy tunes of capitalism boys..
Perhaps it's like the printer outfits.
They practically give away their printers.
Then we pay ridiculous prices for the ink.
Microsoft might give away their software.
Then they charge us per each letter we type of spreadsheet we prepare.
We are due to get a huge bill at some point.
It does rip off the artists that create the music. I agree that the record companies were and continue to be draconian. I am talking about the creators. If Microsoft doesn't get paid for it's software, it stops paying the developers. If a musicians music is spread around after a single purchase, then eventually that musician will have to find another career. So we can quibble about what defines a theft, but if I am a songwriter, then record and release my music, then it is my IP. If you like it, then pay for it.
Napster was the best distributor of virus's and malware, ever created.
I am done "dick measuring" on this thread. Buy, steal, whatever floats your boat. And some folks wonder why I don't post here much...
HDL
Upthread I mentioned having already spent 2-3 Gs *buying* songs for my playlist at iTunes. I don't mind it really as this is the world we live in. But for the unit price of $1.29/song, or an average of $11-12.00/album, comparatively, this IS 'thievery' since virtual retail distribution is even far more cost-effective than the age of compact disc market - yet the price/album is literally unchanged still.
I am done "dick measuring" on this thread. Buy, steal, whatever floats your boat. And some folks wonder why I don't post here much...
HDL
HDL, you got a special place in your heart for Microsoft. I get it but people are allowed to sell Microsoft products on EBay legally and buyers are not thieves. Microsoft intellectual property police do remove Ebay listings that violates their rights but they can’t violate rights of sellers if they list the items the proper way required by Microsoft
For example apartments vs. hotels, flights, etc...IMHO, I don't mind paying the extra expense for a non-stop flight to anywhere, than save a few hundred dollars having one or two layovers. Just as I don't mind having to pay the extra dollars staying at the comfort of a luxury hotels than to stay at those apartments in questionable neighborhoods I do not know in countries I've never been or frequent to. Or buying knock-offs of pricey items like for instance golf clubs.
Ford, Sony and other companies Wish they could get people to believe they cannot share their vehicle or TV or any other merchandise or resell them to other people too.
Not quite the same. If you have 1 Ford, you can sell it 1 time.
But if you buy 1 item of computer software, you can sell it hundreds of times.
Silliest BillyB
MS Office has competitors . you can download them - quite legally - for FREE
When I told everyone I use OpenOffice which is free office software, it didn't register with you. Thanks for the tip anyway.
I do. It is massive self justification for stealing where he may. It is like saying:
"I didn't get caught, so it is not against the law." Like all of those sub-contractors
that Trump intentionally didn't pay. Wow. It costs too much to prosecute me, so it
can't be against the law.