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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2150 on: February 17, 2021, 10:50:24 AM »
WaPo, CNN 'fact-checkers' silent as Harris falsely claims Biden
'starting from scratch' on vaccine rollout

http://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-cnn-fact-checkers-silent-kamala-harris-starting-from-scratch


CNN's Chris Cuomo continues blackout of brother's nursing home scandal,
MSNBC primetime hosts also avoid

http://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-cnn-fact-checkers-silent-kamala-harris-starting-from-scratch


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2151 on: February 17, 2021, 08:05:42 PM »


In 2017, Moderna wrote DNA vaccines have a risk of permanently changing a person's DNA

http://newsubnormal.com/do-dna-vaccines-permanently-alter-dna/



Joe Biden said vaccines didn't exist when he took office. Joe forgot he got vaccinated in December

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/joe-biden-lies-anderson-cooper-cnn-town-hall-didnt-covid-vaccine-came-office-video/
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2152 on: February 21, 2021, 05:29:31 PM »
Recent news in the UK is that Boris wants to offer all over 18s the vaccine by 31st July this year:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9282255/amp/Coronavirus-vaccine-adult-Britain-July-31st-Boris-accelerate-inoculation-drive.html

The Oxford vaccine is by far the most numerous that most people will have. However it's not proven to be as effective against some other strains such as the South African variant of the virus. It still gives some protection but it could be as little as 10 for mild to moderate cases, odds are it will help to avert more serious situations.

The speed up in the vaccination drive is theoretically good news for me. I wish to be our in the FSU this year, probably Ukraine so that would come in time to enjoy some good weather, theoretically. I'm itching to get back into play as I reckon I can potentially make a go off it :)
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2153 on: February 23, 2021, 12:12:06 AM »



Biden has something important to say pertaining to America's Coronavirus deaths. Can somebody tell me what he said?


http://twitter.com/FogCityMidge/status/1363990736887160835
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2154 on: February 23, 2021, 12:03:03 PM »
Biden has something important to say pertaining to America's Coronavirus deaths. Can somebody tell me what he said?
Perhaps this will explain........
 
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2155 on: February 24, 2021, 06:42:41 PM »
Today I received my first COVID vaccination (Pfizer).   

In January when vaccinations first started becoming available to old coots like me, for two straight days I attempted to make an appointment.  The system failed, and it was frustrating to login again and again only to not connect.  Then a couple other outlets (e.g., limited number of pharmacies at grocery store chains - two in my county) started offering appointments, and I attempted that option only to have the same situation of high demand preventing a connection.   

Rather than continue this frustration,  when the State of Florida started a waiting list, I added my name and..................waited.  A few weeks later, I received a call.  Actually they may have been calling days earlier, but not recognizing the number I did not answer.  They called me on Monday and I made an appointment for two days later at a large state-run, drive-in facility (two in the county).   

The State sited the temporary facility at a former shopping mall, now empty.  It has acres of unused paved parking spaces, and the State used cones and National Guardsmen to organize a tortuous creeping queue akin to the lines at Disney World, ending 90 minutes later in a covered parking garage.  I parked in a designated area, and soon a specialist came to my window.  I gave a form, answered questions,  made an appointment for the second jab, and within 5 minutes drove away with vaccine coursing through my body.    Akin to voting in some states, no ID required.   Parked in another area for 15 minutes of observation, and then given the signal to depart.   
 
Evidently supply of vaccine is increasing.  One day after making the appointment, my hospital contacted me and offered appointments two weeks away.  I question now whether I should have waited and taken the hospital slot, assuming it is operated more efficiently. 

Anyway, I am on my way to near immunity.  I encourage everyone to become vaccinated.  We have a couple months of experience in America, and everything says the vaccine is functioning as expected.   I read the detailed pharmacology report, and feel confident in my decision.   

 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2156 on: February 24, 2021, 06:56:25 PM »
In my city, they also worked out of a Sears store that had closed.

When they dropped the age limit to below my age, I simply walked in without appointment, showed DL for proof of age and residency in the state, got the shot and was done in 5 minutes.  Supposed to wait around for 15 minutes in case of adverse affects, but I left after 8 minutes or so.

They gave me appointment for 3 weeks hence, which I have now completed. 

Will be 2 weeks since second shot this coming  Friday, which is when full effectiveness achieved . . . Pfizer.

At first wife had said she might not get the vaccine.

But now she wants it.  Put her on State website sign up.  She will have a long way to go before age limit drops down to her; but depends on how much vaccine the state gets.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2157 on: February 24, 2021, 07:49:37 PM »
I encourage everyone to become vaccinated.  We have a couple months of experience in America, and everything says the vaccine is functioning as expected.



I'm not going to take an mRNA based vaccine since some studies have not been concluded. To conclude some studies requires time and not enough time has pass to show mRNA vaccines being completely safe. I'd take a vaccine that's used a proven existing method in its creation which history shows to be safe but it seems only mRNA vaccines are available to Americans.


I'm not an Alex Jones fan but here's a 2010 video telling of a plan named 'Lock Step" by the Globalists to create a pandemic killing millions, shutting down everything, quarantining us, forced vaccines and making us wear masks. There will be more government control.


http://banthis.tv/watch?id=6036b7aee6c57d1942d13371

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2158 on: February 24, 2021, 10:09:51 PM »

I'm not going to take an mRNA based vaccine since...

Genetic microbiology is complex.  My cousin enjoyed a long career doing such research at Los Alamos.  She eagerly went early in line to receive it. 

There could be some questions to ask if planning a baby, but not my concern.   

There are other options for you such as expected approval of J&J's vaccine.   It will not be available, however, in large supply until the summer.   

With all the variants mutating and evolving, I expect booster shots will be recommended  this year or next year regardless of the vaccine.   

Just continue to be careful with social distancing, etc.   

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« Reply #2159 on: February 25, 2021, 08:10:14 AM »
Genetic microbiology is complex.  My cousin enjoyed a long career doing such research at Los Alamos.  She eagerly went early in line to receive it. 

There could be some questions to ask if planning a baby, but not my concern.   

There are other options for you such as expected approval of J&J's vaccine.   It will not be available, however, in large supply until the summer.   

With all the variants mutating and evolving, I expect booster shots will be recommended  this year or next year regardless of the vaccine.   

Just continue to be careful with social distancing, etc.

Perhaps you're a bit quick to embrace an unproven technology? I won't be taking the vaccine anytime in the near future if at all ever. The saying goes if you've taken a pharmaceutical that wasn't even tested on animals then, you are the animal. Even the manufacturers of the vaccines refer to it as an operating system which indicates there is plenty more to come. The players involved and the rush to get an injection into every body on earth doesn't give you caution?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2160 on: February 25, 2021, 08:22:38 AM »
The virus doesn't change our DNA?  Living changes our DNA.

Choose your poison.

Me?  I'll take the vaccination.

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« Reply #2161 on: February 25, 2021, 08:32:27 AM »
The virus doesn't change our DNA?  Living changes our DNA.

Choose your poison.

Me?  I'll take the vaccination.

Exactly. The vaxx alters your immune system with the introduction mRNA. Many contend our immune system doesn't need or require an alteration to do what it does naturally. I would be one of those. I can't for the life of me think of one good reason to take Big Pharma's poison and nano particles.

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« Reply #2162 on: February 25, 2021, 08:45:22 AM »
Of course your choice FP, one I hope you and your loved ones never have to regret.

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« Reply #2163 on: February 25, 2021, 08:51:33 AM »
It is currently my choice, yes. I certainly hope you and your loved ones do not regret your choice, too.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2164 on: February 25, 2021, 10:35:04 AM »
It seems like every week there are commercials on late night TV saying if you took a certain medicine you may be eligible to participate in a class action suit. These medicines have had 5+ years of study done on them and were deemed safe before it is discovered they were not safe at all. Because of how things are rushed and MRNA is a new technology to create vaccines, nobody should be forced to take the vaccine And nobody should be upset at people that don’t want to take the vaccine 
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2165 on: February 26, 2021, 11:00:59 PM »


I may take the Johnson and Johnson vaccine which uses a harmless cold coronavirus to train the immune system to attack. This technology been used to make vaccines in the past. It's less effective than mRNA vaccines but nobody has died after acquiring COVID. In other words, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine can help with survival if it doesn't stop the Coronavirus in its tracks. Also, other benefits include it's more easier to store and people will need only one shot instead of two.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-cleared-for-expected-fda-authorization-within-days/ar-BB1e3vdc?ocid=msedgntp


When this WHO article was written in late Jan, they still have not approved mRNA vaccines for emergency use.

http://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-moderna-covid-19-mrna-1273-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know


Ivy League school University of Pennsylvania questions the safety of mRNA since not enough studies have been conducted on it. If Gator changes his name to Crocodile, he may be experiencing the harmful effects of the vaccine.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf


Covid stats on Florida and NY. Who did better?

http://gab.com/F16VIPER01/posts/105796801213912326


Biden said vaccines didn't exist when he came into office but here is evidence of him getting the vaccine shot not once, but twice! How did he forget that experience? Dementia.

http://gab.com/F16VIPER01/posts/105796807390847060
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« Reply #2166 on: February 27, 2021, 06:13:45 AM »

I may take the Johnson and Johnson vaccine which uses a harmless cold coronavirus to train the immune system to attack. This technology been used to make vaccines in the past. It's less effective than mRNA vaccines but nobody has died after acquiring COVID. In other words, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine can help with survival if it doesn't stop the Coronavirus in its tracks. Also, other benefits include it's more easier to store and people will need only one shot instead of two.



Did you know if you take the vaxx,

You can still catch the virus?
You can pass the virus to others?
You will still need to wear a mask?
You will still need to social distance?
You will need more shots?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2167 on: February 27, 2021, 12:54:34 PM »
Did you know if you take the vaxx,

You can still catch the virus?
You can pass the virus to others?
You will still need to wear a mask?
You will still need to social distance?
You will need more shots?


Yes and I also know my step father's sister in law died from COVID, my wife's uncle spent a month in the hospital and almost died, and my friend had to go to the hospital 3 times, got blood clots in his lungs and the doctors now tell him he's got to be on medication 6 months and on next hospital visit, they'll determine if he needs to be on oxygen bottles. He may have permanent lung damage. A couple of people who survived told me COVID has been the worst experience in their life.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2168 on: February 28, 2021, 08:19:44 AM »
Did you know if you take the vaxx,

You can still catch the virus?
You can pass the virus to others?
You will still need to wear a mask?
You will still need to social distance?
You will need more shots?

Yes, but meanwhile the risk of death is virtually eliminated.  The same can almost be said about experiencing severe symptoms if infected. 

Hence, I wanted to be jabbed.  Afterwards, I felt some fatigue for three days.  I don't know if this means I would have been one of those who would have experienced severe symptoms if I were infected before the vaccine 

BTW, the social distancing requirements will depend upon whether your government is red or blue.     

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« Reply #2169 on: February 28, 2021, 08:51:36 AM »
Yes, but meanwhile the risk of death is virtually eliminated.  The same can almost be said about experiencing severe symptoms if infected. 

Hence, I wanted to be jabbed.  Afterwards, I felt some fatigue for three days.  I don't know if this means I would have been one of those who would have experienced severe symptoms if I were infected before the vaccine 

BTW, the social distancing requirements will depend upon whether your government is red or blue.   

Well, not so fast.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/at-least-273-deaths-9845-adverse-events-after-covid-vaccination-so-far-cdc-data

Gator old friend sometimes I question your critical thinking skills after such a post. Fauci and his minions are telling us after the vaxx 1) we can still get the virus 2) Spread the virus to others 3) need more vaxx. With this info alone and knowing what is actually in the vaxx itself including the manipulation to the human immune system do you not question "why" or how the vaxx is an improvement? What is the purpose of the vaxx? Don't try to over think the entire scenario. As an instructor taught me once KISS, "keep it simple stupid".


Yes and I also know my step father's sister in law died from COVID, my wife's uncle spent a month in the hospital and almost died, and my friend had to go to the hospital 3 times, got blood clots in his lungs and the doctors now tell him he's got to be on medication 6 months and on next hospital visit, they'll determine if he needs to be on oxygen bottles. He may have permanent lung damage. A couple of people who survived told me COVID has been the worst experience in their life.

Sorry to hear about your relatives Billy. But, at this point it's very likely we all know someone who has died from the virus. Or rather, perhaps died from the treatment of the virus? We're being lied to, question everything. Those who once supposedly had our best health and interests in mind maybe, are following a different agenda. What happened to the seasonal flu?

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« Reply #2170 on: February 28, 2021, 11:37:12 AM »
Well, not so fast.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/at-least-273-deaths-9845-adverse-events-after-covid-vaccination-so-far-cdc-data

Deaths were mostly within 48 hours of vaccination which begs the question about cause of death.   More study is necessary. 


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Gator old friend sometimes I question your critical thinking skills after such a post. Fauci and his minions are telling us after the vaxx 1) we can still get the virus 2) Spread the virus to others 3) need more vaxx.

Fauci's pronouncements for the past year have revealed him to be a) wrong about some scientific conclusions, b) untrustworthy because sometimes when wrong he knew better,  c) protective of his bureaucracy,  and  d) completely partisan.    Those four can not be refuted.  In addition, Fauci may even have some financial stake in the matter.  IMO, Fauci should be prohibited from speaking publicly. 
 

The old coot will not be replaced, so we must be suspicious of what he says.     Nevertheless, much of what he has said is collaborated  by results of scientific research.  One backhanded compliment - Fauci is not nearly as bad as my old employer, WHO.   :D



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What is the purpose of the vaxx? Don't try to over think the entire scenario. As an instructor taught me once KISS, "keep it simple stupid".

KISS I   - It protects me   Such was proven in the efficacy data from the clinical trials. 

KISS II  - It protects people around me from me.   



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« Reply #2171 on: February 28, 2021, 06:10:19 PM »
Deaths were mostly within 48 hours of vaccination which begs the question about cause of death.   More study is necessary. 

Actually more study was needed before they ever rolled the vaxx out for mass distribution. It would appear from the surface anyway, the vaxx itself is killing folks and making many more ill. Which pretty much flies in the face of your earlier statement. I mentioned to you once before that when Big Pharma gets something inside you that wasn't even tested on animals means, you are the animal

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Fauci's pronouncements for the past year have revealed him to be a) wrong about some scientific conclusions, b) untrustworthy because sometimes when wrong he knew better,  c) protective of his bureaucracy,  and  d) completely partisan.    Those four can not be refuted.  In addition, Fauci may even have some financial stake in the matter.  IMO, Fauci should be prohibited from speaking publicly.
 

The old coot will not be replaced, so we must be suspicious of what he says.     Nevertheless, much of what he has said is collaborated  by results of scientific research.  One backhanded compliment - Fauci is not nearly as bad as my old employer, WHO.   :D
 

Fauci is a walking contradiction. It'd be hard to find anyone (with the possible exception of Joey Bribes Bidan) that has stuck their foot in their mouth as much as Fauci. Fauci was trusted by the American people initially because of his title. Little does the public know of his association and partnerships with the anti population crew of Gates, Soros and Moderna. Why isn't this even mentioned on the Fake news media? His connection to the Wuhan lab through and even prior to the Obama Admin is documented. The man is the last person our nation should look to for medical advice IMO


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KISS I   - It protects me   Such was proven in the efficacy data from the clinical trials. 

It's unproven and unknown. The folks with the data are lying to us. The question is why?

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KISS II  - It protects people around me from me.

Their admission is that you can still spread the virus and be infected even after the vaxx. You're a grown man if you feel better with the vaxx, take it. Personally, I fail to see any benefit to injecting unknown nano particles developed by some of the most evil people on earth into my body. Call me crazy but I also see no point in changing or redirecting my immune system. There is something inherently wrong with that. I know many people who have taken the vaxx. I can't understand so many lining up to get it based on the false and lying data we have been given

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2172 on: February 28, 2021, 06:35:48 PM »

It's unproven and unknown. The folks with the data are lying to us. The question is why?

Their admission is that you can still spread the virus and be infected even after the vaxx. You're a grown man if you feel better with the vaxx, take it. Personally, I fail to see any benefit to injecting unknown nano particles developed by some of the most evil people on earth into my body. Call me crazy but I also see no point in changing or redirecting my immune system. There is something inherently wrong with that. I know many people who have taken the vaxx. I can't understand so many lining up to get it based on the false and lying data we have been given
While I'm not taking the vax at this time,  I do think much of your reasoning is crazy.    My belief is the docs aren't evil, and aren't giving false and lying data. 

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« Reply #2173 on: February 28, 2021, 07:24:31 PM »
We're being lied to, question everything. Those who once supposedly had our best health and interests in mind maybe, are following a different agenda. What happened to the seasonal flu?



While big pharma and our government sees opportunity to capitalize on the pandemic and the possible never ending need to create stimulus packages where 75% of the money goes to everything but COVID related issues, the fact is the virus is here to stay. Vaccines won't protect us forever so there's a constant threat. By slowing down the spread of COVID with social distancing and masks, we nearly eliminated flus and colds. Based on a CDC chart I showed Gator earlier, America has 5000 to 20,000 more deaths per week than normal. 20,000 extra deaths per week would amount to 25% of the deaths in America for that week. These extra deaths are not due to increased suicides, guns shots, other illnesses or diseases. It's related to COVID. I don't agree entirely with what the left or right is saying about COVID. Some action needs to be taken but not too much that will severely impact our freedoms and economy. We must find a balance because COVID isn't going away anytime soon. Without any action taken, COVID will significantly impact our life expectancy by about a dozen years they estimate. Although we have a high chance of survival in our younger years, the fact is we can get this disease over and over and it will eventually it will take us out in our advanced years.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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« Reply #2174 on: February 28, 2021, 10:20:11 PM »

While big pharma and our government sees opportunity to capitalize on the pandemic and the possible never ending need to create stimulus packages where 75% of the money goes to everything but COVID related issues, the fact is the virus is here to stay. Vaccines won't protect us forever so there's a constant threat. By slowing down the spread of COVID with social distancing and masks, we nearly eliminated flus and colds. Based on a CDC chart I showed Gator earlier, America has 5000 to 20,000 more deaths per week than normal. 20,000 extra deaths per week would amount to 25% of the deaths in America for that week. These extra deaths are not due to increased suicides, guns shots, other illnesses or diseases. It's related to COVID. I don't agree entirely with what the left or right is saying about COVID. Some action needs to be taken but not too much that will severely impact our freedoms and economy. We must find a balance because COVID isn't going away anytime soon. Without any action taken, COVID will significantly impact our life expectancy by about a dozen years they estimate. Although we have a high chance of survival in our younger years, the fact is we can get this disease over and over and it will eventually it will take us out in our advanced years.

Wake up Billy, you've been blue pilled. Covid unlike the flu and other viruses we haven't been allowed to develop herd immunity through fear. Covid likely is different in many ways and one way is, it is manipulated in many ways. The fear, the treatment and the accounting. Yes covid is real but, it kills less than 1% of those infected. Look at the bigger picture, it has been the election virus. They are lying to us and they control the narrative

 

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