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Title: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 05, 2019, 08:30:05 AM
So I've been thinking more about Krimster's approach recently, just this morning actually. I've thought about it in the past and I know I don't have good enough Art skills that Krim has. Nor do I have any other obvious talent such as Singing where I might sing in a club for example. I never considered baby of the talents that I have as easily assessable for his approach.

Then I got thinking this morning. I'm quite talented at 3D modelling on CAD programs. Interestingly funky looking buildings and the like. I was thinking about what if I went into a Coffee Shop in say Ukraine somewhere set up my laptop and just started modelling something funky for the fun of it just to pass the time.

What might be the prospect of getting some interest from women of the back off it?

I'm thinking the FSU might have more luck, I'm guessing I could do it here but think women are more up for approaching men our that way.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: msmob on November 05, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
You need to stop 'thinking' and posting your brainfart moments and DO something YOU believe in..
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: krimster2 on November 05, 2019, 02:19:49 PM
Trenchfoot...
it would look like you were playing a video game me bruv!!!
so no, don't do that!!

BUT do street paintings like this that are about a meter tall of random women that pass by
in a place with a lot of female foot traffic like an outdoor market after work...
and you will have oichen manoga mega-babes to choose from!!!!!

then you invite the ones you paint to your apartment for dinner and ask them to model au natural for you
100% those clothes are coming OFF!!!
I guarantee it!
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Davo on November 05, 2019, 06:04:57 PM

What might be the prospect of getting some interest from women of the back off it?



About 1 % if you’re  lucky. No women I’ve dated and even the FSU woman ever showed the slightest interest in watching me model on Solid works. It’s as boring as f%ck for a woman.

Forget the gimmicks, if you can’t attract women using your natural qualities, then you are going to continue to struggle IMO.

Think about it.... it takes many random things to align at the right time for this to work. What are the honest chances for a women to walk past who has an interest in what your doing, is comfortable enough to to approach a stranger, speaks some English so you can communicate, is attracted to you, fits all your criteria for a partner, is considering dating a foreign man etc... etc... etc... you could literally spend decades sitting in a park, cafe etc... before this happens.

How’s fdating working for you ATM?
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: BillyB on November 05, 2019, 08:07:51 PM
Then I got thinking this morning. I'm quite talented at 3D modelling on CAD programs. Interestingly funky looking buildings and the like. I was thinking about what if I went into a Coffee Shop in say Ukraine somewhere set up my laptop and just started modelling something funky for the fun of it just to pass the time.


When a woman at the coffee shop asks what you're doing and you tell her you're into making models of buildings, you're not going to excite her. If she asks what you're doing and you tell her you're an architect making the model of the $40 million dollar building that's getting built across the street next year, as Krimster would say, "Her pants are coming off".
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 05, 2019, 10:38:03 PM
Trenchfoot...
it would look like you were playing a video game me bruv!!!
so no, don't do that!!

BUT do street paintings like this that are about a meter tall of random women that pass by
in a place with a lot of female foot traffic like an outdoor market after work...
and you will have oichen manoga mega-babes to choose from!!!!!

then you invite the ones you paint to your apartment for dinner and ask them to model au natural for you
100% those clothes are coming OFF!!!
I guarantee it!

Damn, my one good quality and you tell me I would end up just looking like a computer geek, lol :-\
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 05, 2019, 10:52:36 PM
About 1 % if you’re  lucky. No women I’ve dated and even the FSU woman ever showed the slightest interest in watching me model on Solid works. It’s as boring as f%ck for a woman.

Forget the gimmicks, if you can’t attract women using your natural qualities, then you are going to continue to struggle IMO.

Think about it.... it takes many random things to align at the right time for this to work. What are the honest chances for a women to walk past who has an interest in what your doing, is comfortable enough to to approach a stranger, speaks some English so you can communicate, is attracted to you, fits all your criteria for a partner, is considering dating a foreign man etc... etc... etc... you could literally spend decades sitting in a park, cafe etc... before this happens.

How’s fdating working for you ATM?

You're probably right Davo, maybe I could load the gun by doing it bear a Uni where they have an architecture department or similar. At the moment though I guess its something to try out. If it looked quite funky and not like product component parts then possibly there may be an off chance but I take your point.

Fdate I haven't really bothered with off recent. Been trying to take better pictures of myself. Looked up how to pose recently and some interesting points there that might help a little. I dunno it seems that from photofeeler no matter how good the photo most people either will fit I to the 'everyday' looks 5 ish box or the 'superhot' 8-9 ish box. I guess I should be grateful I don't fall into the 2-3 ish 'minger' box.

I think most guys will get the everyday box like me but it doesn't really pull in the numbers on Fdate. This week I'm working on my gym routine to try and make it more efficient to get more of a cut look. Aside from the running machine I'm only going to spend time on the upper body as there's no way I will have time to spend on all of it, not a schedule I can maintain anyway as always too much work on for that. Anyway hopefully these little changes will improve things. I'm working on my photography skills also and have recently got a second hand DSLR camera :)

My impression is that most everyday guys like me will struggle to get the girls flowing in on Fdate unless they can push things up a bit, better photos, better muscles/physic, display of wealth, better living, interestingly unusual hobbies, etc.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 05, 2019, 10:56:52 PM
When a woman at the coffee shop asks what you're doing and you tell her you're into making models of buildings, you're not going to excite her. If she asks what you're doing and you tell her you're an architect making the model of the $40 million dollar building that's getting built across the street next year, as Krimster would say, "Her pants are coming off".

LOL, thanks Billy :D Well I might have to Oirish blag it a bit on that one ;)

Another idea might be to tart around with my website on all my Architecture stuff. More photos and visualisations of actual things. That might make it more appealing to them, possibly more impressive too, maybe.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 09, 2019, 12:15:48 PM
Trenchfoot...
it would look like you were playing a video game me bruv!!!
so no, don't do that!!

BUT do street paintings like this that are about a meter tall of random women that pass by
in a place with a lot of female foot traffic like an outdoor market after work...
and you will have oichen manoga mega-babes to choose from!!!!!

then you invite the ones you paint to your apartment for dinner and ask them to model au natural for you
100% those clothes are coming OFF!!!
I guarantee it!

Krim, how do you remember what the girl looks like of a random girl that passes by to paint her?

The other thing is would other women find it intriguing that you are painting a woman that is no longer even in sight and not them? As normally most people's interest at least initially tends to start with themselves I find.

I might be willing to give your method here a try sometime Krim. It's intriguing to me but I would no doubt need to practice my Art a bit as at the moment it doubtless falls a bit short.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: krimster2 on November 09, 2019, 05:46:18 PM
how do I remember?
how can I NOT?

Trench, I genuinely feel sad for you because you haven't SEEN and FELT what I have with Russian/Ukrainian women....
and there is SO MUCH....

what can you say about the most exquisitely beautiful women you could ever see...
with PERFECT HARD BODIES!!!!!
combined with the best sex EVER!!!
and THEN...
OK, are you ready for this?
they freaking cook you breakfast, AND lunch and dinner!!!!!
hand slapping forehead!!!
OK?

and you're missing out on this Trench!
for the main reason that you're NOT making the Sterling....
you need more of them pictures of her majesty!
all she has to do is rub some ink on her face and push it against a piece of paper to make a "fiver"
but it's not that easy for you mate!!!
so what I'd do as previously advised...
is do a joint Anglo-Ukrainian Trench Co business
and use this as a cover to "hunt"
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Davo on November 09, 2019, 06:07:20 PM
I don’t think Krim is giving away his secrets 😁..... You’ve captured the Slavic look amazingly especially, especially the brunettes nose and lips.

My father is a pretty good amateur painter.... mainly landscapes and native animal portraits. His landscapes are all painted in his mezzanine studio above his lounge room. They are very accurate real life paintings, but he doesn’t paint from a picture or out on location. He has a photographic memory and can accurately place all of the larger features on the canvas.... trees, hills, streams etc... other details like shading, lighting, texture ect... comes from experience. When he paints he often closes his eyes for a few seconds at a time and he sees the landscape in detail. Other artists can do this just by looking at the canvas and the image appears.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 10, 2019, 12:43:47 AM
how do I remember?
how can I NOT?

Trench, I genuinely feel sad for you because you haven't SEEN and FELT what I have with Russian/Ukrainian women....
and there is SO MUCH....

what can you say about the most exquisitely beautiful women you could ever see...
with PERFECT HARD BODIES!!!!!
combined with the best sex EVER!!!
and THEN...
OK, are you ready for this?
they freaking cook you breakfast, AND lunch and dinner!!!!!
hand slapping forehead!!!
OK?

and you're missing out on this Trench!
for the main reason that you're NOT making the Sterling....
you need more of them pictures of her majesty!
all she has to do is rub some ink on her face and push it against a piece of paper to make a "fiver"
but it's not that easy for you mate!!!
so what I'd do as previously advised...
is do a joint Anglo-Ukrainian Trench Co business
and use this as a cover to "hunt"

Yeah but I'm mean that girl must pass by so fast Krim and no doubt other girls pass by who are attractive after that girl. Don't you find yourself forgetting what she looks like a bit, I mean not totally but just a bit?

Now I do recall you mentioning once that one idea is to photo a Ukrainian girl nude and sell that on for money on the internet :D Now that could be a goer for me, I've just recently got a good second hand DSLR camera I could do this with. No one would know I was running a business as the production end would be in Ukraine while the money making side would be in the UK, i.e money going into a UK bank account, Perfect! No way for Ukrainian authorities to get their hands on my dosh, etc as I would just be paying girls for photos there so not necessarily a business as far as they would be able to tell, even if they heard about it :)

What do you reckon Krim?
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 10, 2019, 01:07:39 AM
how do I remember?
how can I NOT?

Trench, I genuinely feel sad for you because you haven't SEEN and FELT what I have with Russian/Ukrainian women....
and there is SO MUCH....

what can you say about the most exquisitely beautiful women you could ever see...
with PERFECT HARD BODIES!!!!!
combined with the best sex EVER!!!
and THEN...
OK, are you ready for this?
they freaking cook you breakfast, AND lunch and dinner!!!!!
hand slapping forehead!!!
OK?

and you're missing out on this Trench!
for the main reason that you're NOT making the Sterling....
you need more of them pictures of her majesty!
all she has to do is rub some ink on her face and push it against a piece of paper to make a "fiver"
but it's not that easy for you mate!!!
so what I'd do as previously advised...
is do a joint Anglo-Ukrainian Trench Co business
and use this as a cover to "hunt"


That's true
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 10, 2019, 01:20:00 AM
You're probably right Davo, maybe I could load the gun by doing it bear a Uni where they have an architecture department or similar. At the moment though I guess its something to try out. If it looked quite funky and not like product component parts then possibly there may be an off chance but I take your point.

Fdate I haven't really bothered with off recent. Been trying to take better pictures of myself. Looked up how to pose recently and some interesting points there that might help a little. I dunno it seems that from photofeeler no matter how good the photo most people either will fit I to the 'everyday' looks 5 ish box or the 'superhot' 8-9 ish box. I guess I should be grateful I don't fall into the 2-3 ish 'minger' box.

I think most guys will get the everyday box like me but it doesn't really pull in the numbers on Fdate. This week I'm working on my gym routine to try and make it more efficient to get more of a cut look. Aside from the running machine I'm only going to spend time on the upper body as there's no way I will have time to spend on all of it, not a schedule I can maintain anyway as always too much work on for that. Anyway hopefully these little changes will improve things. I'm working on my photography skills also and have recently got a second hand DSLR camera :)

My impression is that most everyday guys like me will struggle to get the girls flowing in on Fdate unless they can push things up a bit, better photos, better muscles/physic, display of wealth, better living, interestingly unusual hobbies, etc.
Nice move Trench congrats
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 10, 2019, 05:13:25 AM
Nice move Trench congrats

Thanks Pat, my new gym routine seems to be more efficient now and even my first Friday at it seemed to bear good results :) Hopefully over the course of a few weeks this will translate into a better physic. It seems more effective now so may try and throw in the extra session here and there when I can. Still got to get some time in practicing with the camera. Experimenting with taking photos of myself and a better physic to display will hopefully help I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 10, 2019, 05:42:21 AM
Thanks Pat, my new gym routine seems to be more efficient now and even my first Friday at it seemed to bear good results :) Hopefully over the course of a few weeks this will translate into a better physic. It seems more effective now so may try and throw in the extra session here and there when I can. Still got to get some time in practicing with the camera. Experimenting with taking photos of myself and a better physic to display will hopefully help I'm thinking.
Don't know about your weight but it could be good to take care about food. Boht combined and you will feel definitively better.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: krimster2 on November 10, 2019, 06:28:02 AM
Trench,

Do what is EASY
and life will be HARD....

Do what is HARD
and life will be EASY....

the universe ALWAYS tries to teach us...
but most of us remain blind to its lessons...
so open your eyes and LEARN
the knowledge you need is all around you.....
but first...
fix the things inside you that need fixing...
without hard work, nothing ever gets accomplished...
don’t let laziness control your future Trench...
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: krimster2 on November 10, 2019, 06:35:00 AM
"I don’t think Krim is giving away his secrets 😁..... You’ve captured the Slavic look amazingly especially, especially the brunettes nose and lips. "

my wife found my stash of nude photos and drawings of past girl friends...
so now just my memories and a few copies like the one here are all I have left of my past adventures...
but the memories.... wow.....
 
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 10, 2019, 10:52:03 AM
Don't know about your weight but it could be good to take care about food. Both combined and you will feel definitively better.

Yeah I changed my diet a couple of months ago for a more low fat diet - basically looking at the fat content in food on the packets and finding alternatives with a lot less fat. Less Sugar also.

So that is done now, I still eat a bit of Edam that tends to be a bit high in that stuff but all the rest is pretty healthy. I avoid chocolate and a lot of processed food that is high in fats & sugars. It's surprising but I never really realised how much fat and sugar food producers put into a lot of the stuff we buy even stuff that might be thought as healthy on first sight before reading the figures on the packet.

Anyhow I think I have lost a fair bit off the tummy, it wasn't really big before or anything as even before I changed my diet my diet wasn't real bad. So it's really just a bit of fat on the belly and at the sides, 'love handles' if you like, lol. There's not really a lot there but it still shows a bit when it's not covered by anything. Seems to be a bit stubborn but I want it to go.


So that really what got me focusing more on my gym routine, making it more efficient, and increasing the intensity of it a little. So I'm hoping that and the diet will do it. When I get the chance I will try and get more time down in the gym to get more work in there.

I've thought about liposuction but apparently the fat tends to get deposited back in the same place in which case I would need a decent diet & work out to avoid this anyway.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 10, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
Trench,

Do what is EASY
and life will be HARD....

Do what is HARD
and life will be EASY....

the universe ALWAYS tries to teach us...
but most of us remain blind to its lessons...
so open your eyes and LEARN
the knowledge you need is all around you.....
but first...
fix the things inside you that need fixing...
without hard work, nothing ever gets accomplished...
don’t let laziness control your future Trench...

Thanks Krim, too true. I know it's what I've been thinking, if I got a good physique as opposed to mediocre then more girls would probably pay interest and probably greater interest at that. I recall one of the forum members on here, think it was either you or ML on here saying about when some musclar Marine/American football types entered the McDonalds in Kiev and all the girls in there looked up over at them, that they could have taken their pick. To me if I got a more muscular physique then that could do a lot for me. Not real huge muscles as that takes a lot to maintain but decent sized defined muscles for my build - talk & fairly slenderish.

Then of course other areas, learning Russian, and the stuff we have talked through. All takes time but will hopefully pay dividends. A lot of it had been getting my head around how to go about it but I seem to have gotten there with a fair amount of it I think now, but still more work to do on it of course.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: ML on November 10, 2019, 12:45:01 PM
think it was either you or ML on here saying about when some muscular Marine/American football types entered the McDonalds in Kiev and all the girls in there looked up over at them, that they could have taken their pick. To me if I got a more muscular physique then that could do a lot for me.

I don't think I told that story, but never know when my Uncle Al might show up.

Actually many FSU gals gave me the impression (and even words) indicating they were not at all concerned about my small 'pot gut.'

Two specific examples:  I mentioned to one gal that I was going to try to lose my belly, etc.  She said: Oh, only one of us needs to be slender . . . and, of course, she was the slender one already.

Another time I asked a gal if my physique bothered her.  She said:  It is not a problem at all.

Currently wife has caused me to pork up even more in belly area.  She views it every day and has never had a negative thing to say about it.  Her first husband (now deceased) was very thin; and she mentioned that she didn't like it.  Perhaps she is over compensating with me.

Disclaimer . . . all my experience was with FSU gals over age 35; so same may not hold true for younger gals.

Oh . . . I did just now remember that one gal commented that I had no fat anywhere other than in my stomach and wondered what I could do about it.  I told her I would work on it (because I wanted to continue to spend time with her on that trip).  But, to myself, I knew we were a 'no go' because this bothered her and it is genetic with men in my family.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: BillyB on November 10, 2019, 01:37:27 PM
I got a more muscular physique then that could do a lot for me.


With a muscular physique you may attract women for a short term fling but you're going to need a lot more to keep women long term. Your brain is the best sex organ you got to attract women. If I had limited time to improve myself to catch women, I'd improve my brain before my muscles.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 10, 2019, 02:05:27 PM
With a muscular physique you may attract women for a short term fling but you're going to need a lot more to keep women long term. Your brain is the best sex organ you got to attract women. If I had limited time to improve myself to catch women, I'd improve my brain before my muscles.

My brain? In what way do you mean Billy.

How do I attract them with my brain?
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 10, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
I don't think I told that story, but never know when my Uncle Al might show up.

Actually many FSU gals gave me the impression (and even words) indicating they were not at all concerned about my small 'pot gut.'

Two specific examples:  I mentioned to one gal that I was going to try to lose my belly, etc.  She said: Oh, only one of us needs to be slender . . . and, of course, she was the slender one already.

Another time I asked a gal if my physique bothered her.  She said:  It is not a problem at all.

Currently wife has caused me to pork up even more in belly area.  She views it every day and has never had a negative thing to say about it.  Her first husband (now deceased) was very thin; and she mentioned that she didn't like it.  Perhaps she is over compensating with me.

Disclaimer . . . all my experience was with FSU gals over age 35; so same may not hold true for younger gals.

Oh . . . I did just now remember that one gal commented that I had no fat anywhere other than in my stomach and wondered what I could do about it.  I told her I would work on it (because I wanted to continue to spend time with her on that trip).  But, to myself, I knew we were a 'no go' because this bothered her and it is genetic with men in my family.
Ah probably Krim then or maybe 2tallbill.

Yeah, I've kind of always thought it to be a negative with women if too skinny as it can look weak and more nearer the feminine build traditionally. I'm not too skinny now, when I was a child growing up I guess to my mid teens I was. At six foot I'm probably ok build wise now as I'm slightly more stocky looking to when I was a child proportionately speaking. So I'm not looking to lose weight just convert remaining fat into muscle.

I've always tended to feel that naturally the make physique is/should be a bigger build than female even if it is not all muscle. I still think that if a guy with muscle was put in front of a lady and the equivalent without she would likely go against a default position of liking a guy with a gut, etc.

I think for some women it is more of an issue than others. Some won't care while others know it's not PC or socially adept to show it's an issue with a guy. Some may know the guy could have a problem getting rid of it, others that they like the guy for other reasons so it's not the biggest deal to them.

I think there is the health aspect of a FSW wanting a guy that is healthy, can live well and last in bed. Assuming of course she is not waiting for him to drop for the money, lol. On balance though I think it probably helps to be in shape assuming its not too much commitment. I've heard all the 'women don't mind a gut' stuff in the past but to me it sounds like a cop out against taking action and doing something about it, that and the 'its ok if you just want a one night stand girl, etc. Same applies there I think, I don't think a guy is restricted to those types of girls if he gets a good physique, odds are both types become more interested I think.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: BillyB on November 10, 2019, 11:50:21 PM
My brain? In what way do you mean Billy.

How do I attract them with my brain?

The words that come out of your mouth is related to the quality of your brain. If you find when you talk, or when you write something at the forum and people aren't liken it, then you may want to try something different.

Now people don't have to like what you say but you can earn their respect. Let's say you're a good debater. People may not agree with your position but they will respect you if you bring up some good arguments.

Almost everything you learn comes from another man. Some guys don't know simple basic things in life like how to change oil in a car. I was at a Russian woman's apartment and she told me she was going to mount something on the wall. I offered to do it for her and she said "It's nice to have a man in the house". Can you fix plumbing or toilets. Can you clean the roof and gutters. Can you do anything or do you have to call another man to do a man's job? Women pay attention to what you know. They pay attention to what's in your brain.

Russian woman called me up one day and said she couldn't get her automatic car in gear. Her car was a year old. I told her the steering wheel is probably turned hard one way and she needs to turn it the other way to relieve the tension and she'll be able to shift it out of park.

Let's say your up on a mountain full of snow with your girl. You go back to your car and it won't start. It won't turn over. You turn on the headlights and you have juice. You check the cables tot he starter and they are tight but you can't start the car. No cell phone around. No people around. It's freezing. It's a 30K hike back to the nearest town. Girl looks to you to make the right decision. What do you do? Starters don't go out automatically. They go out slowly overtime giving out signs so although your starter isn't turning over, so it should still be good. The starter solenoid is a different story. It can act up. Take a blunt object and hit the starter or solenoid and the car will start. I work around a lot of equipment and started vehicles like this probably 20 times. There's many neat tricks I know that most men don't know.

Some men may not be an expert at everything but they've become an expert in one thing and that thing got them a job that pays six figures.

Attracting a woman is the easy part. Keeping her is the hard part. You need something more about yourself to keep her. She needs to keep discovering you and you need to keep blowing her mind. If a woman wants kids, she wants her kids to have good genes, not bad ones.

You've spent a lot of time on the forum to figure out what new gimmicks you need to succeed. While you're thinking other men are doing. They are dating women or living with women. The thinking you're doing isn't going to improve your brain. There's enough advice here to make any man successful with FSU women. You just need to pick the best advice and apply it. Failure to do so means loneliness will be your companion for life.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: scarface816 on November 11, 2019, 07:25:07 AM
Billy's advice is good here. Being able to do things that a man can do is admired. I have dated a few FSU women and even the last one that did not end so well and they all told me the same thing. They admired a man that was in their words "wise" or "smart" or "could take care of things". These qualities are admired sometimes in western women but not so much.

Western women seemed to be interested in money and social circle, status, looks, and career car houses, etc. Of course, I don't believe all western women are like this or are shallow. But it does seem to be a widespread issue.

The last girl told me repeatedly that she admired how I did things, she would actually tell me that when I fixed something or installed a sink, or fixed my daughters car, or was doing my work that would make her the happiest. She told me that is what her father did. It just seemed to click with what I had to offer. Very rarely did she ever mention my looks one way or the other. And I consider myself pretty decent looking and I dress well, or so I have been told. And this did not seem to be an issue with her one way or the other.

Also she was very happy to know that I worked out and was active to be healthy, they all did. But not to look good. But just because they wanted a healthy active man.

The previous Russian woman from Moscow told me that she thought I was too skinny. I am not too skinny. I am 5'9" and weigh 165 and have a bit of a belly like most Americans. But she thought I should be bigger. lol
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: BillyB on November 11, 2019, 11:02:43 AM
They admired a man that was in their words "wise" or "smart" or "could take care of things". These qualities are admired sometimes in western women but not so much.


Western women live in countries that have economic prosperity, enough of it to support themselves so they don't always need a man to do things for them since they can hire somebody. I've seen profiles of Western women that say they are looking for a man with tattoos and piercings. Yes, that was some women's criteria they want in a man.

The last girl told me repeatedly that she admired how I did things, she would actually tell me that when I fixed something or installed a sink, or fixed my daughters car, or was doing my work that would make her the happiest.


I had a friend who couldn't fix anything in the house. He was struggling in his marriage and didn't know what made his wife happy. He finally realized that what made his wife happy is "Acts of Service" from a book he read about the five love languages. Those five are below. One or a few is what girls want from their man.

http://cratedwithlove.com/blog/five-love-languages-and-what-they-mean/

1: Words of Affirmation

2: Acts of Service

3: Receiving Gifts

4: Quality Time

5: Physical Touch

My wife would like a little of everything and not too much of anything except acts of service. If I told her "I love you" five times a day or hung onto her like a teenager in love, she would be turned off.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 11, 2019, 12:17:54 PM
Western women live in countries that have economic prosperity, enough of it to support themselves so they don't always need a man to do things for them since they can hire somebody. I've seen profiles of Western women that say they are looking for a man with tattoos and piercings. Yes, that was some women's criteria they want in a man.

I had a friend who couldn't fix anything in the house. He was struggling in his marriage and didn't know what made his wife happy. He finally realized that what made his wife happy is "Acts of Service" from a book he read about the five love languages. Those five are below. One or a few is what girls want from their man.

http://cratedwithlove.com/blog/five-love-languages-and-what-they-mean/

1: Words of Affirmation

2: Acts of Service

3: Receiving Gifts

4: Quality Time

5: Physical Touch

My wife would like a little of everything and not too much of anything except acts of service. If I told her "I love you" five times a day or hung onto her like a teenager in love, she would be turned off.
Nice post, it helps me too understand why we had such a heavy bond during my marriage. Interesting.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: msmob on November 11, 2019, 01:25:07 PM
Oh COME on, Pat !

Don't be fallin' for one guys book / 'mantra' for 'success .

We are all different..

MY 'adverts' said I''m NOT looking for a lady with Tats or ( multiple) piercings 

Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 11, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
Billy's advice is good here. Being able to do things that a man can do is admired. I have dated a few FSU women and even the last one that did not end so well and they all told me the same thing. They admired a man that was in their words "wise" or "smart" or "could take care of things". These qualities are admired sometimes in western women but not so much.

Western women seemed to be interested in money and social circle, status, looks, and career car houses, etc. Of course, I don't believe all western women are like this or are shallow. But it does seem to be a widespread issue.

The last girl told me repeatedly that she admired how I did things, she would actually tell me that when I fixed something or installed a sink, or fixed my daughters car, or was doing my work that would make her the happiest. She told me that is what her father did. It just seemed to click with what I had to offer. Very rarely did she ever mention my looks one way or the other. And I consider myself pretty decent looking and I dress well, or so I have been told. And this did not seem to be an issue with her one way or the other.

Also she was very happy to know that I worked out and was active to be healthy, they all did. But not to look good. But just because they wanted a healthy active man.

The previous Russian woman from Moscow told me that she thought I was too skinny. I am not too skinny. I am 5'9" and weigh 165 and have a bit of a belly like most Americans. But she thought I should be bigger. lol

I think it's probably the Single Mums with kids that tend to need stuff doing around the house or mechanical stuff with there car more. I know JamesUK also found his DIY skills put to good use by a single mum.

None of the women I have met so far in the FSU have been single mums. I've not met a girl yet in the FSU yet who actually had a car. I don't think any actually owned their own appartments either so little need for a guy with DIY skills.

In fairness though I haven't met loads of girls yet. I can see how it could be deemed very valuable skills to have out there. I've got a lot of experience doing DIY stuff so no problem there, I've even put it on my profile to see if it helps.

Mechanical stuff with a car I am only very basic on but funnily enough recently just before talk of it on here have become more interested in learning more - these garages over here charge a lot and I just don't trust them to play it straight.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: BillyB on November 11, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
I've got a lot of experience doing DIY stuff so no problem there, I've even put it on my profile to see if it helps.



Has any woman told you she'd like to meet you and to make sure to bring your tools? I've read stories of women wanting to date a man in hopes she can get free labor to do home or car repairs.


Don't oversell yourself on your profile. Part of the fun dating is discovering each other. When a man is courting a woman, she'll let him into her life over time and one day and she'll discover if he knows how to do some or most home repairs or if he has difficultly screwing in a light bulb.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 11, 2019, 03:31:39 PM
Western women live in countries that have economic prosperity, enough of it to support themselves so they don't always need a man to do things for them since they can hire somebody. I've seen profiles of Western women that say they are looking for a man with tattoos and piercings. Yes, that was some women's criteria they want in a man.

Indeed, you make a good point earlier Billy about how FSW view a guy with brains out that way. Here in the west a guy with brains is normally thought of as someone academic even if probably not good on DIY and mechanical car stuff. In fact anything on that front can be frowned upon these days not just by women but peer group in general. Manual/blue collar stuff be seen by today's society in the west as signifying being poor, low social status, dirty and beneath others. I personally think this is all wrong and that we are heading into big problems because of it. Too few want to do the dirty work to get stuffed built and done, it's always someone else who's expected to do it.

Funny thing is that some of that stuff pays quite well these days where it didn't 20-30 years or so ago when far more people did blue collar stuff. Because of the shortfall and of course here the housing crises being involved in these activities tend to actually potentially make a guy wealthier than the girls that look down upon him for doing such.

I personally can't stand western women that judge a guy against the criteria SF has stated but all too many seem to be like that these days, moreso the younger generation it seems. If they see a guy doing manual stuff it's a black mark against him. It's just such a snooty offhand attitude they have and I can't stand it. Normally those girls place important on material stuff, usually clothes and how everything looks to others even if they are economically poor because of it.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 11, 2019, 03:32:29 PM

Has any woman told you she'd like to meet you and to make sure to bring your tools? I've read stories of women wanting to date a man in hopes she can get free labor to do home or car repairs.


Don't oversell yourself on your profile. Part of the fun dating is discovering each other. When a man is courting a woman, she'll let him into her life over time and one day and she'll discover if he knows how to do some or most home repairs or if he has difficultly screwing in a light bulb.

No woman has yet done that, perhaps part of it is random chance.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 11, 2019, 03:38:09 PM
The previous Russian woman from Moscow told me that she thought I was too skinny. I am not too skinny. I am 5'9" and weigh 165 and have a bit of a belly like most Americans. But she thought I should be bigger. lol

I'm 6ft and around 13.5 - 14 Stone last time I looked which is probably near to a year ago. At the moment I am wanting to gain muscle so not so much bothered about weight, since muscle weighs more than fat.

At  11 & 3/4 Stone you may be slightly on the light side though the weight charts will probably put you in the just right weight category. I think as your height is a bit less building muscle may help you look large enough to women.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 11, 2019, 07:15:08 PM
Western women seemed to be interested in money and social circle, status, looks, and career car houses, etc. Of course, I don't believe all western women are like this or are shallow. But it does seem to be a widespread issue.

And FSUW are not interested in these things at all.  >:D

If you didn't have a blue passport, the chance of any of these women giving you a second glance would be nil. 

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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: ML on November 11, 2019, 08:53:56 PM
Of course, I don't believe all western women are like this or are shallow. But it does seem to be a widespread issue.

Remember that most all women think that most all men are shallow . . . because we are interested in how her face and her body looks.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Maxx2 on November 11, 2019, 11:07:19 PM
I don’t think Krim is giving away his secrets 😁..... You’ve captured the Slavic look amazingly especially, especially the brunettes nose and lips.


The young Belarusian woman that is helping me with my business looks more like the second one, only more Slavic looking.


(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49053058146_30c22b55dd_b.jpg)


She is a single mom with two children and recently divorced. I met her at a Halloween party. Speaks good English. I don't know her real well but she seems nice and has a pleasant personality. And a beautiful soft voice.


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 12, 2019, 03:16:34 AM
And FSUW are not interested in these things at all.  >:D

If you didn't have a blue passport, the chance of any of these women giving you a second glance would be nil. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.

I'll have a blue passport soon, Moby knows that ;D

FSW are attracted to the above too but in a slightly different way to Western Women I feel. They will accept a guy that is just able to deliver on being able to provide in general and has some go in him. Western Women get all uptight about what what a guy doing something means - is he working an 'office job' or a blue collar job - even if he is getting more money in a blue collar job she won't see it or regard it. A guy needs to be in a corporate environment wanting to work his way up the ladder even if he is in a minor low paying temporary bottom of the rung admin job or he is disregarded. What a guy wears and says is also scrutinized by Western Women to the ninth degree. Say or wear the wrong thing and that can be a major Faux Pas.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 03:25:36 AM
FSW are attracted to the above too but in a slightly different way to Western Women I feel. They will accept a guy that is just able to deliver on being able to provide in general and has some go in him. Western Women get all uptight about what what a guy doing something means - is he working an 'office job' or a blue collar job - even if he is getting more money in a blue collar job she won't see it or regard it. A guy needs to be in a corporate environment wanting to work his way up the ladder even if he is in a minor low paying temporary bottom of the rung admin job or he is disregarded. What a guy wears and says is also scrutinized by Western Women to the ninth degree. Say or wear the wrong thing and that can be a major Faux Pas.


And this is based on your extensive experience dating FSUW??


WW don't all "get uptight" about what a man does.  My cousin married her high school sweetheart.  He's blue collar - an electrician.  He still runs his company because he wants to.  Their net worth is over $100 million.  She was always a housewife.  She never looked down on him.  I think this statement about women is mostly projection on your part.


FSUW are far more judgmental than most WW about what people wear.


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: msmob on November 12, 2019, 04:03:54 AM
Trench,

When WILL you learn to revise your thinking about women - in general - let alone FSU ones ?

Until you do... you are going to keep on failing
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Davo on November 12, 2019, 06:14:02 AM
I'll have a blue passport soon, Moby knows that ;D

FSW are attracted to the above too but in a slightly different way to Western Women I feel. They will accept a guy that is just able to deliver on being able to provide in general and has some go in him. Western Women get all uptight about what what a guy doing something means - is he working an 'office job' or a blue collar job - even if he is getting more money in a blue collar job she won't see it or regard it. A guy needs to be in a corporate environment wanting to work his way up the ladder even if he is in a minor low paying temporary bottom of the rung admin job or he is disregarded. What a guy wears and says is also scrutinized by Western Women to the ninth degree. Say or wear the wrong thing and that can be a major Faux Pas.

Trench, this is an honest question without malice.

When have you last been on a date with a local women to form this opinion?..... Answer truthfully,  because it’s not anything to be ashamed of if it’s been a long time or never. I have some good mates I’m the same boat. One hasn’t been on a date in 6 years since his divorce, despite putting in a great deal of time and effort to meet women.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 06:31:50 AM
Trench, this is an honest question without malice.

When have you last been on a date with a local women to form this opinion?..... Answer truthfully,  because it’s not anything to be ashamed of if it’s been a long time or never. I have some good mates I’m the same boat. One hasn’t been on a date in 6 years since his divorce, despite putting in a great deal of time and effort to meet women.
Wow six years, that shows how those western societies are dysfunctionnal and the sexual power is on women. Because a women who puts a great deal of time an effort should not wait more than one month to get her bang, even the most asocial ones.
But this anormality of course doesn't interest any tv or medias, they just get laugh of this poor stupid guys who try to pick up a FSU lady.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: msmob on November 12, 2019, 06:36:35 AM
Hi Pat

I wonder if you are confusing FSU W dating habits with local guys v WM  ?

In both my ex wife's and current wife to be's case.. I was the first WM to get on a plane and visit them ...LOTS of talk and no action ..;)

Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 06:49:09 AM
Hi Pat

I wonder if you are confusing FSU W dating habits with local guys v WM  ?

In both my ex wife's and current wife to be's case.. I was the first WM to get on a plane and visit them ...LOTS of talk and no action .. ;)
Davo will give further explanations,
But you are right, FSU women are in actions and as i already said there are now more and more FSU women who don't even dare to communicate with foreigners. JUST if they are in the city. So yes it gives an idea of the number of men who bother them.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
Wow six years, that shows how those western societies are dysfunctionnal and the sexual power is on women. Because a women who puts a great deal of time an effort should not wait more than one month to get her bang, even the most asocial ones.
But this anormality of course doesn't interest any tv or medias, they just get laugh of this poor stupid guys who try to pick up a FSU lady.


I am laughing at your comment, given you are currently in a country with a far more dysfunctional society (like, 100% more) than any Western country I can think of.


The difference in the West, is that many women don't need a man to survive, economically.  Typically, a woman who has been badly hurt in a past relationship will not risk that again.  That's usually why they don't date.  To a lesser degree, they can't find men of quality.


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: krimster2 on November 12, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
as ye judge...
so are ye ALSO judged...

so when you are weighed and measured by a woman’s gaze
do not be found wanting...

but appearance is ONLY the first step...
you have to overcome resistance...
I have learned it is better to PULL
than to PUSH...
to properly arouse a woman
you must first arouse her curiosity about you...

so you MUST be someone who is NOT ORDINARY!
and attract her attention while also appearing like you’re NOT trying to...
multiple ways of doing this, but they all require a BIG budget...
and RWD is after all a “budget conscious” travel blog....
so my advice would be pretty useless here....

yalky palky!
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: scarface816 on November 12, 2019, 01:39:26 PM
And FSUW are not interested in these things at all.  >:D

If you didn't have a blue passport, the chance of any of these women giving you a second glance would be nil. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.

You really think the only interest is my passport? What does me having a blue passport do for them? How does my passport benefit them?
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
Compare the standard of living of the average Ukrainian to the standard of living of the average American.  Then come back and tell me it doesn't matter.


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: scarface816 on November 12, 2019, 02:27:53 PM
I didn't say it doesn't matter. You said that. I asked you how does it benefit them? What do they plan to do with my passport?
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 02:30:49 PM

I am laughing at your comment, given you are currently in a country with a far more dysfunctional society (like, 100% more) than any Western country I can think of.


The difference in the West, is that many women don't need a man to survive, economically.  Typically, a woman who has been badly hurt in a past relationship will not risk that again.  That's usually why they don't date.  To a lesser degree, they can't find men of quality.


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The problem is not that they are dysfunctional in proportion,  but the problem comes from different things.

So what you explain by an economical reason i explain it by a repression towards men which tends to emasculate them. More and more after year. And that's also about a sexual repression.

And as this society is emasculating them, in their ego, by the law in the family court and in the penal law, as fathers, as keeper of the house, (described quite well by a female american psychologue who names this chapter men in a basement), in the universities

THEN women would get MORE and MORE bad DATES.More and more and more ONS, less and less respect.
More and more shallow men.

How much you treat men and how much you help this society to cut them off in pieces and more their internal level pain will increase with all the consequences expected.
Is this to difficult to understand that this world is also mainly imploding in the more nuclear party of the society : the couple, the family, because no men could feel any security as a man and citizen when things start to be tough.

That's simple : in South Africa, after Mendela was elected many asked revenge and for good reasons. THe president put all his efforts to keep the peace between blacks and white, it's not perfect but globally it has worked.

What we see in a very insidious way is an intimate destruction of the men with nothing really good in return
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 02:35:50 PM
I don't believe men are emasculated by society.  The majority of the WW is governed by men.  Men run most of the world's Fortune 500 countries.  Men still outearn women. 


I think the problem with the nuclear family is not the role of men within them, but that in most families, both parties need to go out in the workforce to earn enough to live.  Real income has stayed flat for three decades. 


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 02:47:17 PM
I don't believe men are emasculated by society.  The majority of the WW is governed by men.  Men run most of the world's Fortune 500 countries.  Men still outearn women. 
 


I think the problem with the nuclear family is not the role of men within them, but that in most families, both parties need to go out in the workforce to earn enough to live.  Real income has stayed flat for three decades. 


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Very few women are ready to work 15hours/24 during 40 years in an hyper competitive environnment, that's why there is not too much women to get this pressure.

Men still outearn women, If you let apart ultrarich, superrich, not sure, 
 it's admitted that now 40% of women win more than men. If you look with scrutiny to the whole package : social helps, compensatory alimony, what they get after a divorce from the community (in north america many men are cleaned to the toilets), reversion pension, total of financial bonuses they get during the time they spend with a man who have more means,
FINALLY i am not sure that men outearn.
But of course this type of statistics doesn't interest anyone, that's not mainstream. IT would disturb.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Women without children do work the same hours as men.  Women with children don't.  I worked typically 45 to 50 hours a week when my children were young, and I still did:


a)  the majority of the cooking;
b)  grocery shopping (husband and I did this together);
c)  all registrations, taking children to lessons/sports, etc., which basically was every day;
d)  all indoor house cleaning (to this day).


I don't think my experience is different from many working mothers, although most at my level have nannies and/or housekeepers.



One of the areas I work in is establishing tax efficient structures for divorcing parties.  In my experience, men almost always come out ahead, in terms of the numbers, and that's in over two decades.  The court cases across Canada (where parties can't agree) tend to have 50/50 splits in the absence of prenuptial agreements. 


You will get one view here, because this site is dominated by men.  If you read a forum dominated by women, they'd be complaining the system favours men.  That usually means the system is neutral to the individuals.


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 02:55:46 PM
I don't believe men are emasculated by society.  The majority of the WW is governed by men.  Men run most of the world's Fortune 500 countries.  Men still outearn women. 


I think the problem with the nuclear family is not the role of men within them, but that in most families, both parties need to go out in the workforce to earn enough to live.  Real income has stayed flat for three decades. 


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No the real income has not stayed flat, that's worse.The purchase power has lowered last 40 years at least. And it hits 90% Of the population, i would say it's more about 99%.
And in this big fight to not see the portion of the cake disappearing of our plate we don't see any reason as men,  to be plummeted because we are men, rapers, murders, shameful fathers, shameful pension givers and so on. This shit must cease.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 02:58:12 PM
You're missing the point, I believe.

For a very brief time in history, a family could survive on one income.  That is no longer the case.  That is what drives the dysfunction in our society, not giving women equal rights.

FSUM certainly are not emasculated, it's a very macho society.  Yet that society is far more dysfunctional than is mine.

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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: ML on November 12, 2019, 03:01:58 PM
. . . the world's Fortune 500 countries. 

I didn't know there were even that many countries !!  :-)
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: scarface816 on November 12, 2019, 03:13:48 PM
Actually men do not outearn women for the same job. That is a myth that has been disproven for years. Women self select lower-paying jobs. They select jobs with fewer hours and less risk. They work for a few years and then take off time to raise children. And usually not for a few months but for a few years. Losing their skills and experience and seniority. This causes their pay to suffer.

Most men do run Fortune 500 companies but that is because they are willing to make the sacrifice that women won't. A Fortune 500 CEO is not some fatcat sitting in a cushy chair smoking on a long cigar. They sacrifice their time, their freedom, their family time everything to do that job. They fight and struggle and claw their way their against their competitors and sometimes their own friends. Then at the end of the day when they achieve it. Their wife ends up getting the benefit of the money they made. And after a few years of that, she can divorce him and get half of whatever else he has. And then get alimony to be paid to her for the rest of her life even though she does not need it and can go out and earn her own money.

I am not saying I feel sorry for him. But I am saying it is not like some kind of special benefit awarded to men. Every Fortune 500 company I have worked at the company's recruiting organization was desperately trying to attract and retain as many women as they could find. The problem was they just could not find them. Why is that? Is it because they could find a man to earn that money for them? For a hell of a lot less effort?


In addition, women control 88% of all money spent in the US.
Men in the military suffer 98% of all injuries.
Men are over 20 times as likely to die in the workplace than women.
Men commit suicide at a rate of over 4 to 1 men vs women during a divorce.
Homeless men comprise 60% to 80% of the entire homeless population.
Domestic violence is thought to be a man on woman issues. But statistics show that women initiate more domestic violence assaults than men.
There is something like 1100 shelters for women that are victims of DV in the US. Men are not allowed in them. Even boys as young as 12 cannot go inside with their mothers.
There is one DV shelter in the US that allows men. And that is with a country of a population of 330 million people.
It is estimated that 20% to 30% of divorced fathers are paying child support for a child that is not theirs. It has gotten so bad that many states are outlawing DNA testing of children by the father without the consent of the court.
76% of homicides are against men.
Men are overwhelmingly the victim of rape. There were 300,000 male rape victims in 2017.

I could go on.

Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: ML on November 12, 2019, 03:14:06 PM
FSUM certainly are not emasculated, it's a very macho society. 

A somewhat different slant on this, but . . .

In talking with hundreds of FSU guys and gals, a point came across frequently.

After breakup of FSU, there was tremendous unemployment and times when even those who were employed did not get paid for extended periods.

Women (probably due to their nurturing instincts) quickly took the lead in finding new income sources and ways to survive and feed their children (and their husbands).  i.e. selling any and everything in metro stations, starting large gardens, etc.

Many men, on the other hand, were in a total state of despair and turned to heavy drinking.

After a time, many of the women in this situation finally divorced their husbands to stem the tide of spending on alcohol.

As result, many FSU men did and still do have a feeling of emasculation . . . even as they brought much of it on themselves.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 03:14:22 PM
I didn't know there were even that many countries !!  :-)
:ROFL:
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 03:16:29 PM
A somewhat different slant on this, but . . .

In talking with hundreds of FSU guys and gals, a point came across frequently.

After breakup of FSU, there was tremendous unemployment and times when even those who were employed did not get paid for extended periods.

Women (probably due to their nurturing instincts) quickly took the lead in finding new income sources and ways to survive and feed their children (and their husbands).  i.e. selling any and everything in metro stations, starting large gardens, etc.

Many men, on the other hand, were in a total state of despair and turned to heavy drinking.

After a time, many of the women in this situation finally divorced their husbands to stem the tide of spending on alcohol.

As result, many FSU men did and still do have a feeling of emasculation . . . even as they brought much of it on themselves.
I like when people are bringing such talent in exposing different points of view
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: ML on November 12, 2019, 03:23:45 PM

Men are overwhelmingly the victim of rape. There were 300,000 male rape victims in 2017.


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WOW, I had no idea !!

Where are the references to this statistic ?
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 03:25:47 PM
Actually men do not outearn women for the same job. That is a myth that has been disproven for years. Women self select lower-paying jobs. They select jobs with fewer hours and less risk. They work for a few years and then take off time to raise children. And usually not for a few months but for a few years. Losing their skills and experience and seniority. This causes their pay to suffer.

Most men do run Fortune 500 companies but that is because they are willing to make the sacrifice that women won't. A Fortune 500 CEO is not some fatcat sitting in a cushy chair smoking on a long cigar. They sacrifice their time, their freedom, their family time everything to do that job. They fight and struggle and claw their way their against their competitors and sometimes their own friends. Then at the end of the day when they achieve it. Their wife ends up getting the benefit of the money they made. And after a few years of that, she can divorce him and get half of whatever else he has. And then get alimony to be paid to her for the rest of her life even though she does not need it and can go out and earn her own money.

I am not saying I feel sorry for him. But I am saying it is not like some kind of special benefit awarded to men. Every Fortune 500 company I have worked at the company's recruiting organization was desperately trying to attract and retain as many women as they could find. The problem was they just could not find them. Why is that? Is it because they could find a man to earn that money for them? For a hell of a lot less effort?


In addition, women control 88% of all money spent in the US.
Men in the military suffer 98% of all injuries.
Men are over 20 times as likely to die in the workplace than women.
Men commit suicide at a rate of over 4 to 1 men vs women during a divorce.
Homeless men comprise 60% to 80% of the entire homeless population.
Domestic violence is thought to be a man on woman issues. But statistics show that women initiate more domestic violence issues than women.
There is something like 1100 shelters for women that are victims of DV in the US. Men are not allowed in them. Even boys as young as 12 cannot go inside with their mothers.
There is one DV shelter in the US that allows men. And that is with a country of a population of 330 million people.
It is estimated that 20% to 30% of divorced fathers are paying child support for a child that is not theirs. It has gotten so bad that many states are outlawing DNA testing of children by the father without the consent of the court.
76% of homicides are against men.
Men are overwhelmingly the victim of rape. There were 300,000 male rape victims in 2017.

I could go on.
+5   
The blue nasty soap served by any big medias and by the state start to make men to feel disgusted and they are considering that this distorted reality has some very worrying outlooks.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 03:30:01 PM
You're missing the point, I believe.

For a very brief time in history, a family could survive on one income.  That is no longer the case. YES EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE
 That is what drives the dysfunction in our society, not giving women equal rights.GIVING EQUAL RIGHTS TO WOMEN IS NECESSARY TO SETUP AN ADVANCED SOCIETY, BUT LOWERING THE RIGHT OF MEN AT THE SAME TIME  IS DYSFUNCTIONAL

FSUM certainly are not emasculated, it's a very macho society.  Yet that society is far more dysfunctional than is mine.

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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: scarface816 on November 12, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/003288558906900207

Also....


According to the 2009 United States National Crime Victimization Survey estimates, only 55% of rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials. When a male is raped, less than 10% are believed to be reported. Female-male and female-female rape are ignored altogether in this survey.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: scarface816 on November 12, 2019, 03:57:22 PM
Another one. Look at the numbers of boys in juvenile detention facilities that are victims.

http://slate.com/human-interest/2014/04/male-rape-in-america-a-new-study-reveals-that-men-are-sexually-assaulted-almost-as-often-as-women.html

It is deeply shameful in our society or any other society for a man or a boy to admit they are a victim of violence especially if the woman is committing it. So many times it is hidden and never talked about.

The sad truth is that when a man is a victim people don't want to talk about it. When a woman is a victim then we have to do something about it.

Maybe we need some more women's rights to fix this?

Oh well probably getting a little off-topic anyway.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: krimster2 on November 12, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
yeah, it IS difficult for me to cope with all of the sexual abuse meted out to me by Russian Women, especially my wife and her various girlfriends over the years (my wife is STRONLY bi)....

you see...
Russian women are cruel mistresses....
if you saw the HBO series “Spartacus” and the character of “Domina”
this is your high-end Russian woman, and guess who the sex slave is gonna be?
YOU!!!

so yes, while my wife is reclining in the white marble tub
she will compel me to do “certain things” merely for the sake of her own pleasure...
and I must OBEY....

then she makes me participate in her “erotic games”
and of course I have to perform demeaning acts of servitude
to demonstrate my loyalty and be a hirroshi malchick...
and I want to be a GOOD boy and please her.....
so I get my “reward”
you don’t want to know what that is....
it's too dark and twisted, even for here...

Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: ML on November 12, 2019, 04:28:13 PM

so I get my “reward”
you don’t want to know what that is....

A cookie, no doubt.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 05:02:11 PM
yeah, it IS difficult for me to cope with all of the sexual abuse meted out to me by Russian Women, especially my wife and her various girlfriends over the years (my wife is STRONLY bi)....

you see...
Russian women are cruel mistresses....
if you saw the HBO series “Spartacus” and the character of “Domina”
this is your high-end Russian woman, and guess who the sex slave is gonna be?
YOU!!!

so yes, while my wife is reclining in the white marble tub
she will compel me to do “certain things” merely for the sake of her own pleasure...
and I must OBEY....

then she makes me participate in her “erotic games”
and of course I have to perform demeaning acts of servitude
to demonstrate my loyalty and be a hirroshi malchick...
and I want to be a GOOD boy and please her.....
so I get my “reward”
you don’t want to know what that is....
it's too dark and twisted, even for here...
:ROFL:
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Patagonie on November 12, 2019, 05:04:13 PM
A cookie, no doubt.
Dark and twisted i would have said chocolate, more.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
I didn't know there were even that many countries !!  :-)


I meant this list  :) -

http://fortune.com/global500/search/ (http://fortune.com/global500/search/)


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: krimster2 on November 12, 2019, 05:38:06 PM
I have been the phallic fetish Konfekte for numerous Russian women....
who have liked to "play rough" with me
you guys think it's fun to have "perform" this way ALL THE TIME!!
once in awhile sure....
BUT EVERY DAY!!!
NO!!!

if you don’t think women can be sexual aggressors YOU ARE WRONG!
here’s a pic from when I was a younger, naive looking kid
older women used to hit on me all the time back then EVEN when I was UNDER AGE!

I used to “play dumb” and protest vehemently...
but the first time was a Jewish woman in Arlington, VA who wanted proof of my Jewishness before she would sleep with me...

too bad she didn’t know that in my time period almost all boys were circumcised at birth, no bris required, thankfully I do not remember ANY of the genital mutilation I underwent as an infant...

but whatever pain and suffering that occurred at this time
was AMPLY rewared later!!!
with an esthetically pleasing (based on MANY “oooo” and “aaaaa” reactions!) Johnson/Willy....

I mean, I don’t wanna brag or nothin, but...

I’ve had women from 3 different races in 3 different continents all give the same reaction...

BUT...
you have to find a certain kind of woman who has this kind of fetish (but a phallic fetish is pretty common in Russian women!)

the trade-off is the fetish object is gonna get abused OFTEN!!!

my advice:
the best notion is to always use lotion!!!






Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 05:40:19 PM
Actually men do not outearn women for the same job. That is a myth that has been disproven for years. Women self select lower-paying jobs. They select jobs with fewer hours and less risk. They work for a few years and then take off time to raise children. And usually not for a few months but for a few years. Losing their skills and experience and seniority. This causes their pay to suffer.


No, women do not "self select" lower paying jobs.  In my field, for example, working in large firms, women typically billed as much as did men (a requirement), but made less money.  It wasn't always a huge discrepancy, say, $2000 to $10,000 per annum, but it was there.

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Most men do run Fortune 500 companies but that is because they are willing to make the sacrifice that women won't. A Fortune 500 CEO is not some fatcat sitting in a cushy chair smoking on a long cigar. They sacrifice their time, their freedom, their family time everything to do that job. They fight and struggle and claw their way their against their competitors and sometimes their own friends. Then at the end of the day when they achieve it. Their wife ends up getting the benefit of the money they made. And after a few years of that, she can divorce him and get half of whatever else he has. And then get alimony to be paid to her for the rest of her life even though she does not need it and can go out and earn her own money.


I don't recall saying CEOs don't work.  But having worked in large firms, and in a public company for a time, I can say that everything is geared more to men, probably, because they initially built the way companies function.


As for a wife, if she is at home ensuring that fat cat's life outside work is running smoothly, so, he doesn't have to worry about picking up his suits at the dry cleaner, or having his dinners ready when he comes home, or having the lawn mowed and the house cleaned, or having his children cared for, then his wife is contributing to his success.  So, she should be compensated for giving up her career aspirations for his.
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The problem was they just could not find them. Why is that? Is it because they could find a man to earn that money for them? For a hell of a lot less effort?


It's because the way companies are run is not conducive to the way most women want to conduct their lives.  I don't mean the long hours, either.

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In addition, women control 88% of all money spent in the US.


They don't control the money.  They control how the money is spent (groceries, clothing, sundries).


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 05:43:55 PM
A somewhat different slant on this, but . . .

In talking with hundreds of FSU guys and gals, a point came across frequently.

After breakup of FSU, there was tremendous unemployment and times when even those who were employed did not get paid for extended periods.

Women (probably due to their nurturing instincts) quickly took the lead in finding new income sources and ways to survive and feed their children (and their husbands).  i.e. selling any and everything in metro stations, starting large gardens, etc.

Many men, on the other hand, were in a total state of despair and turned to heavy drinking.

After a time, many of the women in this situation finally divorced their husbands to stem the tide of spending on alcohol.

As result, many FSU men did and still do have a feeling of emasculation . . . even as they brought much of it on themselves.


I have a different take on this.


About 40% of FSUM on the collapse of the FSU were already alcoholics.  But authorities kept them restricted.  Hours to buy liquor had been restricted.  Public drunkenness was always punished.  Drunkards could lose their apartments, and be put in dormitories.


After the collapse, there were no restrictions.  So, alcohol was a free for all.  A lot of those men drank themselves to death.


Ukraine today is still a very macho society, far more than most Western societies.


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: BillyB on November 12, 2019, 05:49:03 PM
In addition, women control 88% of all money spent in the US.
Men in the military suffer 98% of all injuries.
Men are over 20 times as likely to die in the workplace than women.
Men commit suicide at a rate of over 4 to 1 men vs women during a divorce.
Homeless men comprise 60% to 80% of the entire homeless population.


I want equality!

Domestic violence is thought to be a man on woman issues. But statistics show that women initiate more domestic violence assaults than men.


Guy that works for me dated a 911 operator. In her estimation, 2/3rds of all domestic violence cases are by women. She said some women try to get their men arrested on false charges. When someone dials 911, the operators are already listening for a few seconds before they say "This is 911, what is the nature of your emergency". She said she's heard women tell their men "I'm going to get you arrested!!!" and when they hear the operators voice, they start crying and making up a story.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 12, 2019, 06:04:20 PM

And this is based on your extensive experience dating FSUW??


WW don't all "get uptight" about what a man does.  My cousin married her high school sweetheart.  He's blue collar - an electrician.  He still runs his company because he wants to.  Their net worth is over $100 million.  She was always a housewife.  She never looked down on him.  I think this statement about women is mostly projection on your part.


FSUW are far more judgmental than most WW about what people wear.


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There's always exceptions to the generality. The electrician guy might be extrovert with good social skills or the woman may not be all that attractive or fat or introvert and not very socially skilled.

The more I have researched into the dating game the more I see the underlying reasons people are with one another. It may be conscious or unconscious reasons, if course there is love and sexual attraction but normally the two have to first accept each other and there are normally reasons for this acceptance. It's almost like an old fashioned weighing scale one trait or aspect of one person balancing off against the other.

I think it's why celebrities where one gets a lot more fame and wealth split up from the other, if something happens to noticeably tip the scale on one side it can spell the end of the relationship. It can be any variable, not just fame and money, a whole host of reasons but normally they need to balance somewhat or one party will see the other as insufficient.

FSW do indeed get picky about clothing but not always in the same way as WW. WW it is more about status and that irritates me. The other day I was on the train and I couldn't help but overhear this woman's conversation on her mobile phone. She said to the other person about this guy that, "I wish he would dress 'nicely' but he buys his shoes from Tesco's (a UK mid-market supermarket)". Now it's that sort of snootyness that just turns me of UK women and probably the reason why the guy bought his shoes there to put off materialistic women. The shoes were no doubt decent enough from there but this woman seems to think that guys should go out spending silly money in shoes etc just to suit her view on clothing.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 12, 2019, 06:21:57 PM
Trench, this is an honest question without malice.

When have you last been on a date with a local women to form this opinion?..... Answer truthfully,  because it’s not anything to be ashamed of if it’s been a long time or never. I have some good mates I’m the same boat. One hasn’t been on a date in 6 years since his divorce, despite putting in a great deal of time and effort to meet women.

Davo, your friend is barking up the wrong tree, the odds are pitted against men in western society. Syripped of our breadwinner role and brought into competition with the women unless a guy is pretty wealthy, attractive looking and or the social life if the party he will likely get a hard time. If anything he Willbe seen as weak and or as competition by the women after his work, promotion etc.

If it's been six years then that should be telling him something. I will not go into the ins and outs of my life but let's just say it's been a similarly unenjoyable experience for me also. One photofeeler I score an everyday 5 ish, that backs up why I don't have loads of contacts of International Dating sites and way fewer in western dating sites. I don't even bother with western dating sites anymore, haven't for years, there just depressing.

At the moment I am looking into all and everything to get a better response from FSW. I need a better response or I am not going to be able to get up the numbers to make a successful outcome likely.

I've been working out at the gym and progress is starting to happen now I feel. I've been looking into better photography and different clothes and will just have to see if this can swing it or not.

Krim has made some interesting suggestions and I'll see what if anything I can do with them.

Other than that I'm thinking a tour may not be such a bad option for me. It gets a lot of women up in the same room and saves me the hassle of looking over women one by one and of course raises the probability of a match. Success of course is not at all guaranteed but I think it could end up being my best chance at it. If your friend has been really trying for six years and no joy then I think he needs to stop rowing against the tide standing still and look to FSU Dating or similar.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Boethius on November 12, 2019, 06:35:47 PM
There's always exceptions to the generality. The electrician guy might be extrovert with good social skills or the woman may not be all that attractive or fat or introvert and not very socially skilled.


Most men who have built companies from zero to millions are extroverts, excluding, perhaps, the IT industry.  My cousin has always been slim and very physically attractive.

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The more I have researched into the dating game the more I see the underlying reasons people are with one another. It may be conscious or unconscious reasons, if course there is love and sexual attraction but normally the two have to first accept each other and there are normally reasons for this acceptance. It's almost like an old fashioned weighing scale one trait or aspect of one person balancing off against the other.


What a bunch of claptrap.

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FSW do indeed get picky about clothing but not always in the same way as WW. WW it is more about status and that irritates me. The other day I was on the train and I couldn't help but overhear this woman's conversation on her mobile phone. She said to the other person about this guy that, "I wish he would dress 'nicely' but he buys his shoes from Tesco's (a UK mid-market supermarket)". Now it's that sort of snootyness that just turns me of UK women and probably the reason why the guy bought his shoes there to put off materialistic women. The shoes were no doubt decent enough from there but this woman seems to think that guys should go out spending silly money in shoes etc just to suit her view on clothing.


Again you miss the mark.  There was a poster here once who told of agreeing to buy his lady a cellphone.  He told her he'd buy her a gold coloured one, as that what she said she wanted.  So, they trotted off to the cellphone store, and she chose a solid gold cell phone, which was something like $20,000.


Another poster here posted about his wife wanting a very expensive item of clothing.  He ignored her requests for it.  I asked him if his wife's social circle was mostly other FSUW, which he confirmed.  How did I know?  Because she wanted that clothing because it would impress her FSUW friends.  Most WW wouldn't care about the label.


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Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 12, 2019, 07:00:51 PM

Most men who have built companies from zero to millions are extroverts, excluding, perhaps, the IT industry.  My cousin has always been slim and very physically attractive.


What a bunch of claptrap.


Again you miss the mark.  There was a poster here once who told of agreeing to buy his lady a cellphone.  He told her he'd buy her a gold coloured one, as that what she said she wanted.  So, they trotted off to the cellphone store, and she chose a solid gold cell phone, which was something like $20,000.


Another poster here posted about his wife wanting a very expensive item of clothing.  He ignored her requests for it.  I asked him if his wife's social circle was mostly other FSUW, which he confirmed.  How did I know?  Because she wanted that clothing because it would impress her FSUW friends.  Most WW wouldn't care about the label.


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Well, I disagree on your last points Boe.

The fisrt one is probably sound enough, not for all extrovert men of course but extrovert men will push out the boat more, its a more easier world for them to live in and naviagate and gets things done.

However, I think times are changing a little on that one though I think society at large hasn't come to realise it as yet. The internet age has made it much easier for introverts to get stuff done and maybe extroverts not as much so. There is less emphasis on how you come across and are perceived and more about just enacting a process, generally far less stress to the introvert guy also, far less with being plagued with phone calls all the time. I'm not just talking about IT businesses here but most businesses in general. Still though I see extrovert guys being pushed in front on the assumption that they are the leading guy even if they are less skilled than the more introverted guy. Many women still place a lot of stock in the extroverted guy and not so in the introverted man. In the future that may all change, but for now I'm not rated well by women or in business because I am an introverted guy. 
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 13, 2019, 05:27:03 AM
Compare the standard of living of the average Ukrainian to the standard of living of the average American.  Then come back and tell me it doesn't matter.


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Now this I do agree with :)

I have often argued that UW are dirt poor for the most part on here only to get the backs up off some other forum members on here. Many do of course live and get through life but they no doubt seek a better life abroad along with the new guy.

I think how the guy handles that can make or break a relationship once abroad if not beforehand.

If a guy gives the girl too much and she sees she could be with a guy who is even better and if she comes in high on the looks scale and if her sense of loyalty is not that great then she can well be off.

In all fairness I think it is fair to say that a lot of guys save possibly a few of those that have been married in the past may not quite be hitting the mark with the majority of ladies generally. Thus looking in the FSU may be a bit of a liability for them. I would not disassociate myself from this though possibly with a but of extra work and the right woman I may just get there.

I think another possibility is staying a significant time in Ukraine, etc with the woman so she doesn't get too used to different surroundings and what may become possible for her. After all an average guy in the west is generally a good catch for her in Ukraine, etc.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: msmob on November 13, 2019, 05:39:06 AM
The usual BS 'excuses' from Trench

1/ You need to be able to communicate with any intended partner and getting on a plane and affirming this 'chemistry' you constantly never seem to find is important

2/ I'm wondering where a city dwelling UA / RU lass would find more appealing in S.Wales ? ;)  I was walking in Gloucester, yesterday and thinking what a dump it was compared to - say - Sochi   ( a few places - like the Cathedral - thank you Harry Potter -  being the exception)












Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Grumpy on November 13, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
Men are overwhelmingly the victim of rape. There were 300,000 male rape victims in 2017.




WOW, I had no idea !!

Where are the references to this statistic ?

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/nov/13/afghanistan-paedophile-ring-that-abused-over-500-boys

http://www.theguardian.com/working-in-development/2017/nov/21/male-sexual-torture-in-the-syrian-war-it-is-everywhere


Males receiving sexual abuse is more common than most people think.
Title: Re: Raising the Flag and Saluting Approach?
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 13, 2019, 10:41:15 AM
The usual BS 'excuses' from Trench

1/ You need to be able to communicate with any intended partner and getting on a plane and affirming this 'chemistry' you constantly never seem to find is important

2/ I'm wondering where a city dwelling UA / RU lass would find more appealing in S.Wales ? ;)  I was walking in Gloucester, yesterday and thinking what a dump it was compared to - say - Sochi   ( a few places - like the Cathedral - thank you Harry Potter -  being the exception)

True in both cases. I know that going back and forth on trips to see a girl, well let's say the odds aren't high. I could do visit many but as an everyday looking guy can't get the number of girls up. Therefore, I've established that improving myself and researching the whole scene is where my time is best spent during down time.

I agree also that not all areas of the UK would a city girl from one of the big more wealthier cities in the FSU would be appealing to a girl. Where my mother lives around Bournemouth would be but other parts of the country can be lacking in vibe. I live fairly near Cardiff and the area I live in is pleasant enough with decent facilities and look to the place so it's not too bad. Even still its not the most exciting place on earth but not real out in the sticks either.