Stats in International Dating/Marriage

[Admin]

Hey Folks,

We often note the fact there are no legitimate stats about international dating and marriage.

What are the most important stat(s) you would like to see available?

For example, would the rate of divorce among cross-cultural couples be of interest?

What others?

- Dan

[BC]

For example, would the rate of divorce among cross-cultural couples be of interest?

What others?

To make any sense, would have to include length of marriage and method of meeting.  Maybe even length of time the couple dated before marriage and amount of face to face time.  Country of origin and W country. Ethnicity/race of the parties.  Previous marriage history, primary cause of divorce and whether or not international would be interesting.  Months/years searching.  Amount of money spent before/after marriage.  Number of prior attempts / immigration application. Of course age difference etc etc..

LOL

[Admin]

To make any sense, would have to include length of marriage and method of meeting.  Maybe even length of time the couple dated before marriage and amount of face to face time.  Country of origin and W country. Ethnicity/race of the parties.  Previous marriage history, primary cause of divorce and whether or not international would be interesting.  Months/years searching.  Amount of money spent before/after marriage.  Number of prior attempts / immigration application. Of course age difference etc etc..

LOL

Hmmmm . . . I can determine how to pose questions for many of the items in the list, but those emboldened items give me pause.

Method of meeting: Social/Tour - On the street - In a bar - Introduced by Friends/Family - what else?

Months/Years searching: What to use as demarcation of the starting point? i.e. Since when? Seriously or casually searching? How to resolve any ambiguities in the question so as to achieve clear responses?

Amount of money spent...: Not sure what this is aimed at. Clarification?

Number of prior attempts: I suppose this could include both successful and unsuccessful attempts. What does this one provide once collected?

- Dan

[BC]

>>Method of meeting: Social/Tour - On the street - In a bar - Introduced by Friends/Family - what else?<<

Agency / Internet Chat / During Business trip or Holiday

>>Months/Years searching: What to use as demarcation of the starting point? i.e. Since when? Seriously or casually searching? How to resolve any ambiguities in the question so as to achieve clear responses?<<

How long actively searching.  Could be from 'Was not searching' or some value in months before finding the final marriage partner.

>>Amount of money spent...: Not sure what this is aimed at. Clarification?<<

Questions always arise as to additional funds necessary in international relationships.  An average would be interesting.. example spent 2.500 bucks for travels, Agency fees etc to find/date and 10.000 in the first year after marriage (over and above what would normally be spent with a hometown marriage)

>>Number of prior attempts: I suppose this could include both successful and unsuccessful attempts. What does this one provide once collected?<<

Have noted a significant number of folks with multiple FSU fiancee's (immigration processes started, then dropped), few though married for a longer term. Maybe there is some correlation.

[Turboguy]

The one I hear talked about the most is the one Dan mentioned, the success or divorce rate.  I think the two things that might be of interest along those lines is how long the marriage lasted.  I have a feeling just over two years will be pretty common and who initiated the divorce.  My gut feelings are it will be the woman.

It could be interesting to try to tie in some of the factors we talk about in the success and failure rate such as level of English when she arrived, amount of time spent together before arrival on the K-1, children etc.

[tim 360]

"Questions always arise as to additional funds necessary in international relationships.  An average would be interesting.. example spent 2.500 bucks for travels, Agency fees etc to find/date and 10.000 in the first year after marriage (over and above what would normally be spent with a hometown marriage)" Quote BC

This figure would also be of interest but I don't know where one would find reliable info.  Except maybe from member here.  Also I think 10K could be on the light side for many who go this route.  And don't forget time expended because time is money.  I have a few friends who married girls over here on biz or student visas and did the K1 and I know even with that advantage they came near the 10K neighborhood to marry a girl from the FSU within the first 2 years.  They would say it was money very well spent.

I am sure that today a guy going there and using agencies etc on multiple trips would easily surpass that 10K figure.  I have a feeling that is entry level. 

IE:  I am not sure TG has yet finished the tally but rest assured he passed that 10k milestone some time ago.  Yet that is a small price for one to pay if one really crunches the marriage numbers and cost no matter who you marry. 

I don't even know if a collection of stats is an effective measure of anything relevant because so many weird guys have been involved in this in the last decade that the numbers will be skewed in an unfavorable light.  I don't know if raw numbers will have much meaning at all?  Alot depends upon the quality of the individuals involved.

[OlgaH]

For example, would the rate of divorce among cross-cultural couples be of interest?

What others?

- Dan

According to the Immigration Service of US about 80% of Russian-American marriages come to divorce.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/russia/newsid_7452000/7452541.stm

[Admin]

According to the Immigration Service of US about 80% of Russian-American marriages come to divorce.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/russia/newsid_7452000/7452541.stm

I wonder about the validity of that article. For one, it attributes the 80% divorce rate to "Russian managers of internet marriage agencies". What possible motivation would that group have for claiming that?

Although they make reference to the "US Immigration Services" supporting that claim, I have yet to see any substantiation of that claim.

- Dan

[OlgaH]

Who knows... may be the Consul General Kurt Amend supported them 

[Ooooops]

According to the Immigration Service of US about 80% of Russian-American marriages come to divorce.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/russia/newsid_7452000/7452541.stm

Olga, I've tried to search BBC site for the same article in English and couldn't find any.   So now I'm thinking that it's just another "propaganda" writing that is so popular in Russian mass-media nowadays ... 

[Admin]

Who knows... may be the Consul General Kurt Amend supported them 

It seemed the only comments attributed to Amend were the decline of K-visas issued for the past 3 years. Maybe I missed it in the translation, but I am pretty sure they did not attribute any reference to divorce rate to Kurt Amend.

- Dan

[OlgaH]

Olga, I've tried to search BBC site for the same article in English and couldn't find any.   So now I'm thinking that it's just another "propaganda" writing that is so popular in Russian mass-media nowadays ... 

As in a Russian chastushka : "Не ходите девки замуж за Ивана Кузина. У Ивана кузина большая кукурузина"  or "Don't marry, girls, to Johnny Torn, Johnny Torn has a big corn"   

[OlgaH]

but I am pretty sure they did not attribute any reference to divorce rate to Kurt Amend.

- Dan

No they don't, they cover him 

[Ooooops]

As in a Russian chastushka : "Не ходите девки замуж за Ивана Кузина. У Ивана кузина большая кукурузина"  or "Don't marry, girls, to Johnny Torn, Johnny Torn has a big corn"   

We had a Dean in our college with this name.   Can you imagine how many times he heard this?   

[OlgaH]

We had a Dean in our college with this name.   Can you imagine how many times he heard this?   

Is he married or single? 

[BillyB]

According to the Immigration Service of US about 80% of Russian-American marriages come to divorce.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/russia/newsid_7452000/7452541.stm

Can't read it but a few years ago someone put up the 80% divorce rate based on Immigration Service records and come to find out, it was based on 80% of the RW going back to visit their countries and it had nothing to do with leaving their husband. I doubt Immigration keeps track of who gets divorced anyway, mainly those coming and going.

[Ooooops]

Is he married or single? 

I'm not even sure if he's alive anymore...   it was a looooong time ago....   I think he was married at that time though.   

[steviej]

I doubt Immigration keeps track of who gets divorced anyway, mainly those coming and going.

You're right, BillyB, they don't have anything to do with divorce. They might have some data on how many green card applications went through a change of status from "married" to "abused spouse of US citizen" or something like that.

[steviej]

By the way, statistically, I married 50% of the FSU women I dated !! 

[Ooooops]

By the way, statistically, I married 50% of the FSU women I dated !! 

 

There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics (c)

[steviej]

There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics (c)

I also had sex with 50% of the FSU women I dated !!