More Bad News for Russia

[Belvis]

If Russian troops aren't helping the rebels, tell us how a handful of rebels is pushing back an army of an entire nation? I'm not asking for proof, just your opinion.

There is no need in Russian troops at Donbass now, rebels have got own armies, but of course technical specialists and aides are there. And they are not a handful, around 25-30 thousands of motivated rebels vs. about 50 thousands of partially demoralized Ukrainian soldiers. Entire nation has very serious difficulties to call for army service even 50 thousands for troops rotation.

[Belvis]

Uh-huh. Nazi Germany's industrial production was at it's peak during '43/'44. Probably as a result of import substitution as well. 

Yeah, Germany had chosen the wrong enemy to fight with at it's peak during '43/'44. Somebody wants to repeat their mistake 

[Doll]

Well, the official documents tell Russian mothers that their sons died from mysterious, yet unexplained, accidents in the Rostov region. Very believable, indeed.

Did you see these papers?

[Brasscasing]

Yeah, Germany had chosen the wrong enemy to fight with at it's peak during '43/'44. Somebody wants to repeat their mistake 

That's an astute observation. You're right, Germany did choose the wrong enemy-the U.S. If Germany hadn't stupidly declared war on the U.S. allowing America into the European theatre Hitler wouldn't have been forced  to divert resources elsewhere and would have won his war on the Eastern front. 

Brass

[Doll]

Yeah, Germany had chosen the wrong enemy to fight with at it's peak during '43/'44. Somebody wants to repeat their mistake 

They forgot!

[Muzh]

There is no need in Russian troops at Donbass now, rebels have got own armies, but of course technical specialists and aides are there. And they are not a handful, around 25-30 thousands of motivated rebels vs. about 50 thousands of partially demoralized Ukrainian soldiers. Entire nation has very serious difficulties to call for army service even 50 thousands for troops rotation.

Yep, they are really demoralized.

[Boethius]

I won't because I don't read this site.

Then how can you know what is written there is the "least reliable source"?
 

[Muzh]

Then how can you know what is written there is the "least reliable source"?

Because it goes against the Russian propaganda?

[AkMike]

Then how can you know what is written there is the "least reliable source"?

 Ouiji board?

 Woman's intuition?

Miss Cleo called her?

[Muzh]

Hey Beavis, more demoralization.


http://gordonua.com/news/localnews/V-Odesse-zaderzhali-treh-moldavan-s-arsenalom-oruzhiya-Fotoreportazh-63471.html

[BillyB]

The index of industrial production in December 2014 has shown the highest value in the year, probably as the result of import substitution. So eating dirt is postponed.

Some people have a funny idea that a nation's existence depends on doing business with the West. Russia has much more access to raw materials and fossil fuels than Stalin did. Russia still has enough trading partners to get what they don't have. Don't always need money to buy, just trade resources.


I'm not surprised Russia's industrial production is up. Import substitution is one reason, another reason is Putin's desire to create more military hardware.


http://rbth.com/business/2014/09/10/ruble_devaluation_and_sanctions_result_in_growth_for_russian_manufac_39669.html


http://www.investing.com/news/economic-indicators/russian-industrial-production-3.9-vs.-0.2-forecast-325083


http://www.nasdaq.com/article/russia-industrial-output-expands-20141119-00379

Germany did choose the wrong enemy-the U.S. If Germany hadn't stupidly declared war on the U.S. allowing America into the European theatre Hitler wouldn't have been forced  to divert resources elsewhere and would have won his war on the Eastern front. 

Not only did America divert Hitler's attention from the Eastern front, America sent Stalin the military equipment Russia needed to initially get out of the crap Stalin put Russia in when they partnered up with Hitler.

[AkMike]

Hey Beavis, more demoralization.


http://gordonua.com/news/localnews/V-Odesse-zaderzhali-treh-moldavan-s-arsenalom-oruzhiya-Fotoreportazh-63471.html

 There's been quite a few shown on the local news that are caught. I wonder if those were actually from Russia's stolen part of Muldova, Transisteria?

[Brasscasing]

Not only did America divert Hitler's attention from the Eastern front, America sent Stalin the military equipment Russia needed to initially get out of the crap Stalin put Russia in when they partnered up with Hitler.

Exactly. However, "The Boss" disappeared all those inconvenient details after the war and substituted his own version of history which, I'm sure, Belvis is now going to regurgitate at length for us. 

Brass

[Muzh]

Some people have a funny idea blah, blah, blah


http://rbth.com/business/2014/09/10/ruble_devaluation_and_sanctions_result_in_growth_for_russian_manufac_39669.html


http://www.investing.com/news/economic-indicators/russian-industrial-production-3.9-vs.-0.2-forecast-325083


http://www.nasdaq.com/article/russia-industrial-output-expands-20141119-00379

Sure Billy. It makes sense when you use old reports to augment your argument, namely the first and last link. Both a few months old and totally irrelevant in TODAY's market climate. What really matters is what I posted on reply #2181 of this thread.


If you are too lazy to scroll back, here. No excuse to read.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17720.msg391066#msg391066

[Doll]

Then how can you know what is written there is the "least reliable source"?

I did read a little but I won't read it to prove you inaccuracy.

[BillyB]

Propoganda or truth? Belvis and Doll, what do think of Putin when he makes military purchases his top priority? Buying military hardware is a good investment if Putin plans on putting it to use. Agree or is it a waste of taxpayer money?


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-s-military-purchases-drive-manufacturing-growth-hiding-stagnation-beyond/507690.html

 Both a few months old and totally irrelevant in TODAY's market climate.

A few months old is still relevant since it shows Russia's industrial production isn't negatively affected by the sanctions. The middle link reports Jan 2015 and supports Belvis when he said Russia's industrial production is going up. That is not a good thing for Ukraine and the West because I believe the production is up in the military sector more than any other sector. When the West decides to act against Russia, we will be facing a more dangerous foe. I'm sure Obama will let the next President deal with it.

[Boethius]

I did read a little but I won't read it to prove you inaccuracy.

So how can you know it is inaccurate?  Almost everything reported on censor.net has been reported by various other sources.  It has a nationalistic bent, but with one exception (it reported a false story, but quickly noted its error, reported that, and removed the article), everything I have read reported on the site has proven to be factual.
 

[mendeleyev]

Did you see these papers?

I have a better idea, Doll. Why don't you redirect that question to those mothers?

[Muzh]

Propoganda or truth? Belvis and Doll, what do think of Putin when he makes military purchases his top priority? Buying military hardware is a good investment if Putin plans on putting it to use. Agree or is it a waste of taxpayer money?


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-s-military-purchases-drive-manufacturing-growth-hiding-stagnation-beyond/507690.html



A few months old is still relevant since it shows Russia's industrial production isn't negatively affected by the sanctions. The middle link reports Jan 2015 and supports Belvis when he said Russia's industrial production is going up. That is not a good thing for Ukraine and the West because I believe the production is up in the military sector more than any other sector. When the West decides to act against Russia, we will be facing a more dangerous foe. I'm sure Obama will let the next President deal with it.

Let me go very slow, just for you Billy.


The link I provided was of today's analysis of Rossyia receiving junk bond status from S&P and that MOST probably Fitch's and Moody's will follow suit. That is THREE credit rating outfits that most of the WORLD investors use to put their money in.


Follow me so far?


When the three outfits give Rossyia the distinction of junk bond, business will pick up shop and move. Capice?


So, the months old links to Rossyiaia's business climate are just that, junk.


That Rossyia's industrial output is increasing, well if they don't make some Soviet-quality shit to substitute Western-quality shit, their shelves will be bare. Just like the good old days. As a matter of fact it is going back to the good old Soviet-relic days.


Still with me?


Now, imagine all this military armament being built to Soviet-standard quality? What do you think it will do against the rest of the world? Remember the old Soviet-mentality type of fight? Send a mass of materiel to the front and eventually one or two will get through? Ah, but this time they don't have Ukrainian, Kazakh, Uzbek, Belarussian, Polish, Hungarian, et.al. at their disposal.


Heh, heh, heh

[JayH]

Below are some quite precise numbers and specific description in a Ukrainian release of information.
As stated above-- the same site also publishes details of Ukrainian losses and injuries.History tells us that this site is a reliable source.
By way of contrast--what comes out of Russia is totally unreliable and questionable on a more often than not scale.
Above--Beavis again refuses to acknowledge that there are Russian troops in Ukraine.Doll and others refuse to acknowledge that point--despite the overwhelming evidence and the conclusions of many respected sources-- and continue to follow Putins line of denial.
Even more ridiculous--to challenge everyone else's honesty!!  How laughable was Putin's claim that Nato was fighting in eastern Ukraine--perhaps that was who his troops were attacking in Mariupol? Everyone else is wrong-but Putin and his apologists?



As a result, the Ukrainian Army special operations aviation destroyed the terrorists - the General Staff (Updated)
Terrorists continue to incur substantial losses in manpower and equipment.

It is reported Tsenzor.NET with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense . "In the course of warfare, all attempts to attack militant positions in the Ukrainian military district Nikishin, Redkodub, Novoivanovka, Novogrigorevka in the direction Popasnaya and settlements for water, experienced, Marinka Maori and were repulsed. The terrorists suffered heavy losses of manpower and equipment, "- said in a statement. Read on "Tsenzor.NET": Ukrainian soldiers continue to turn the enemy's military equipment in scrap metal, and staff to mark "200" and "300", - OK "North" According to the ministry, for the last day, from 26 to 27 January, during hostilities Ukrainian military fighting vehicles destroyed 4, 5 and 7 ACS units of automotive engineering. "On the eve of Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed 4 tanks, 9 armored combat vehicles, 4 MLRS "Smerch" MLRS 12 "Grad", 18 units of automotive engineering, one aircraft L -39, 2 AN 2, one Yak-52 aircraft Yak- 50 2 and 4 of the Mi-24 " - added to the Ministry of Defence. The same information was confirmed by the General Staff. This was " Ukrainian Truth "said Acting head of the press center of the General Staff Vladislav Seleznev, reports Tsenzor.NET . "In the area of ATO as a result of the special operation militants destroyed aircraft equipment. This is the same technique that shows off the militants, who told us that they have the aircraft, which they planned to use against our forces located in the area of ATO, "- said Seleznev. He did not specify exactly where the airport, noting that this information is closed. "This hostile technique. Mi-24 - it is military equipment," - he said.
 Источник: http://censor.net.ua/n321813

[Doll]

I have a better idea, Doll. Why don't you redirect that question to those mothers?

Ах, оставьте ваши бредовые предложения вашим амер. почитателям
Вот щас все брошу и перешлю им вопросы. Адресок не подкинете, уважаемый вы наш международник?

[Belvis]

The link I provided was of today's analysis of Rossyia receiving junk bond status from S&P and that MOST probably Fitch's and Moody's will follow suit. That is THREE credit rating outfits that most of the WORLD investors use to put their money in.

Sorry, man, you're very far away from understanding how Russian economics works. 
Credit ratings do not matter now, investor have gone long ago after sanctions had began. OK, you can believe in great power of ratings but trust me, ratings will not delay the construction of new missile carrying submarines.

Hey Beavis, more demoralization.

I recommend you to read carefully what adviser for Poroshenko is writing (in russian). Consider it as the inside instead of propaganda fiction you are fed:
http://www.facebook.com/yuri.biriukov/posts/1553558451579633

[JayH]

Ах, оставьте ваши бредовые предложения вашим амер. почитателям
Вот щас все брошу и перешлю им вопросы. Адресок не подкинете, уважаемый вы наш международник?

Mende's credibility is clearly established--  in sharp contrast with basic lies emanating from Russian outlets controlled by the Kremlin who are proven purveyors of lies.

[Doll]

Mende's credibility is clearly established-- 

Ага- в мраморе и бронзе. Причем, на самом почитаемом в мире форуме- рашенвимендискашн. Хахаааааааааааааааа

[Faux Pas]

Sorry, man, you're very far away from understanding how Russian economics works. 
Credit ratings do not matter now, investor have gone long ago after sanctions had began. OK, you can believe in great power of ratings but trust me, ratings will not delay the construction of new missile carrying submarines.

Actually it does. One doesn't really begin to feel the sting until the money and the raw materials run out.