Russian Women Discussion
RWD News From the Front => Ukrainian Front Discussion => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on March 01, 2023, 05:13:37 PM
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Just thinking about estimates of losses on the Ukrainian side going forward. If we take a conservative estimate of 100,000 per year then two years war would be 200,000 mostly men lost, after three years of war roughly 300,000 lost.
My guess is that this war will likely go on for at least around the 2 year mark.
My guess is that a loss of 200,000 - 300,000 men will be a fairly significant difference to the dating pool of men to women, that at that level women would start to notice the disparity of available men quiet significantly. Of course any more than that and it would probably be quite a big issue out there for a while. It's not something I take any pleasure in but a likely factual consequence of the war situation out there. Such a situation of loss must be pretty hard on those unfortunate enough to bear it.
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Trench,
You are misusing statistics again. Statistics, demographics, whatever, never apply to you as an individual, but ONLY to the group, as a whole, that is being measured. Just because the average or mean life expectancy changes does not mean you will live longer or shorter. Similarly, whether the men-to-women ratio is 1:1 or 0.5:1, does not change your chances of finding a woman to marry you one whit. It does not make someone with an unappealing character more attractive, nor does it better the chances of men that are not socially active and lack social and communication skills. The group of women you seem most interested in, pleasing to the eye, unmarried, without children, and most likely as young as possible, also represent a small subset of the whole, with most of them quite likely either in a relationship already, happily single and just dating around, or are using their charm in ways that benefit them the most. Most certainly, they are not gathering around the arrivals section of the airport like taxi drivers looking for some stranger to marry, which seems to be the scenario you most desire.
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Similarly, whether the men-to-women ratio is 1:1 or 0.5:1, does not change your chances of finding a woman to marry you one whit. It does not make someone with an unappealing character more attractive, nor does it better the chances of men that are not socially active and lack social and communication skills.
BC, I have to disagree here.
When the available pool decreases, the women/men adjust the cutoff point for their various criteria down.
Thus it is true that the individual men/women's character has not become more attractive 'et in se,' but the acceptable character cut-off level has now decreased.
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For an actual (somewhat similar) example that I was involved in:
As a very young US Navy man (boy actually), I spent some time in Philippine ports.
The women there were mostly not very attractive at all.
Early in the evening when a group of we horney males were in a bar, we would look around and individually proclaim:
I will not have anything to do with the ugly gals here.
But after a few drinks, guys would start to say:
That gal over there in the blue dress doesn't look too bad.
Her looks had not changed at all; but in our state, the looks cut-off level had fallen as we realized the 'attractive gal' pool we had in our minds had shrunk.
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As another real example, illustrating changing criteria as the pool increases rather than shrinking:
In my US Navy days, an 'old salt' retired guy related to me how he was stationed in San Francisco during WWII.
He could date, and often screw, a different woman almost every night.
He came to think of himself as a real Romeo.
The war ended and the boys came home.
He could not get a date.
With the enlarged pool of men, the women had upped their cut-off point for looks or whatever.
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BC, I have to disagree here.
When the available pool decreases, the women/men adjust the cutoff point for their various criteria down.
Thus it is true that the individual men/women's character has not become more attractive 'et in se,' but the acceptable character cut-off level has now decreased.
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For an actual (somewhat similar) example that I was involved in:
As a very young US Navy man (boy actually), I spent some time in Philippine ports.
The women there were mostly not very attractive at all.
Early in the evening when a group of we horney males were in a bar, we would look around and individually proclaim:
I will not have anything to do with the ugly gals here.
But after a few drinks, guys would start to say:
That gal over there in the blue dress doesn't look too bad.
Her looks had not changed at all; but in our state, the looks cut-off level had fallen as we realized the 'attractive gal' pool we had in our minds had shrunk.
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As another real example, illustrating changing criteria as the pool increases rather than shrinking:
In my US Navy days, an 'old salt' retired guy related to me how he was stationed in San Francisco during WWII.
He could date, and often screw, a different woman almost every night.
He came to think of himself as a real Romeo.
The war ended and the boys came home.
He could not get a date.
With the enlarged pool of men, the women had upped their cut-off point for looks or whatever.
Thank you ML, well put. From my own experience back in the old Match.com days where you looked at women profiles by search criteria like on Fdate rather than the new tinder style flip over swipe left or right my mind worked like thus. I started of messaging the most attractive women that came up in the search criteria, not that many, the other less attractive women I didn't bother with. I waited a day or two and no response. It became obvious no joy there so I messaged the better looking of the less attractive looking women, waited a couple of days or so and no joy there. So then I picked my way through the not the too bad/worst looking of the unattractive looking women. After another couple of days or so no joy so I moved on. Admittedly I never bothered with the ugliest of the unattractive looking women as I saw little point in dating someone I wouldn't ever feel attracted to. Point being though is that I ended up messaging women that I never originally intended messaging all because it became apparent that the level of competition/interest was so high that the most attractive women were inundated with guys after them.
Sure there was still a point I wouldn't go past but that was pretty severe in terms of the unattractiveness if the women. I personally think a lot of women wouldn't judge a guy who isn't great socially as the worst but rather guys whose personality is so nasty, psychopathic, narcissistic, etc then they would give them a wide birth mostly if not totally.
In Ukraine or Russia in a country where the economy has collapsed where women look to men as the provider and where there are fewer men odds are social skills of the guy will be the least if the woman's concerns her concerns being on more bread and butter issues. When we used to have that system in the UK back in the 50s, 60s, etc and before I think a lot of the women didn't really care so much as to whether the guy was alm that good socially as he would be out at work most of the time and often just a meal ticket to the lady. Sure no doubt a bonus if he was good in some way but the main basic criteria was could he be sent off to work each workday and come trotting back with a pay cheque in hand.
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BC, I have to disagree here.
When the available pool decreases, the women/men adjust the cutoff point for their various criteria down.
Thus it is true that the individual men/women's character has not become more attractive 'et in se,' but the acceptable character cut-off level has now decreased.
ML,
while your examples may be true, unless Trench wants just to go have a jolly good time in the sack, IMO, they hardly apply to his intention of marriage or living together in the UK.
Even if one assumes the current pool of single women in Ukraine that meet his criteria regarding looks, are seeking marriage, and are willing or can be convinced to relocate outside the country is growing, the statistical, and demographic changes currently underway won't help Trench as an individual.
Let's assume an absurdly optimistic value that 50% of men are successful with the current pool of women. It doesn't mean Trenchy's chances are only a coin toss away from success.
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"Everything for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."
Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
Think your country is going too “woke”? Can’t stand all the rights and freedoms being granted to LGBTQ+ people? Want to find a safe space from all the “woke” liberals around you?
You’re going to FREAKIN' LOVE Russia, a place where “Don’t Say Gay” is enforced at gunpoint and where “woke” liberals are sent to die a violent death on the front lines of a war with people who want to remain free (fascist hohols!)
no wonder Trump supporters LOVE Putin!!!
look at the numbers...
that's all ya gotta do
white folks are declining numerically against non-white by 1% a year
and putting panels on the border ain't gonna change that
brown people are America's future and so are women and gay people and other marginalized groups
and this social transformation is already happening whether you idiots like it or not
your false messiah, ended up killing hundreds of thousands of you (read what Dr Brix said)
read about the blue vrs red death rates for covid
and this will help speed the transition
God Speed, cuz I'm getting sick of republican right wing BS
and their phony culture war whose purpose is to deflect from the economic war being waged by the rich against the poor (and they will NEVER talk about THAT on FOX or other right wing media!)
and folks remember socialism is BAD!!! (don't worry, we'll keep constantly repeating this - so ya don't forget!) and that's all yur gonna get from oligarch owned media - no surprise
ya'll wanna drink the FOX NEWS kool-aid?
go right ahead and guzzle it, every bit, down to the last drop, hmmm tasty...
and now guess what?
your town looks like Jonestown II
the only time in America's history, since the year 1600, when the white population of America declined
was in 2020, Trump's last year of being president
a third of the national debt incured over the last 200+ years
was under Trump
THIS is how the right wing governs
while they are robbing you
they want you to be:
sick and poor
not vote, because voting restrictions
redistricting so your vote doesn't count
and infinite tax cuts for the masters
you know...
Make America Great
it's hard for me to decide who are the biggest IDIOTS
Russians who listen to Putin
or Americans who listen to far right republicans and their infinite lying....
dumb phuques - you better wake the hell up before they come and take your kids, cuz that day is coming...
i've already taken steps to prepare for it
i know how to use the system to keep their hands off the young people in my care...
and that's all I can say about that
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Trench, whatever quanatative advantage you may have by having "reduced competition"
will be offset by the number of "birds" who have flown to warmer climate in neighboring countries
ecosystem disruption/destruction, usually doesn't favor it as a hunting ground
I expect something similar in Ukraine
and if you thought the level of PTSD in Ukraine was high pre-2014
imagine it to day
and imagine dealing with a spouse with severe PTSD
Ukraine is a MUCH different place from what it once was...
with new dangers as well as the old ones
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while they are robbing you
they want you to be:
sick and poor
not vote, because voting restrictions
redistricting so your vote doesn't count
and infinite tax cuts for the masters
you know...
Make America Great
You strike me as a pretty wealthy guy Krim, wouldn't your interests be more closely aligned with the masters as a result?
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ML,
while your examples may be true, unless Trench wants just to go have a jolly good time in the sack, IMO, they hardly apply to his intention of marriage or living together in the UK.
Even if one assumes the current pool of single women in Ukraine that meet his criteria regarding looks, are seeking marriage, and are willing or can be convinced to relocate outside the country is growing, the statistical, and demographic changes currently underway won't help Trench as an individual.
Let's assume an absurdly optimistic value that 50% of men are successful with the current pool of women. It doesn't mean Trenchy's chances are only a coin toss away from success.
I'm not intending to have a relationship with her in the UK at least not in the first instance. Down the way a bit after kids possibly. Generally will be spending part of my time with her in her home country and part in the UK on business. From all that I've seen and heard FSW tend to have quite an attachment to their own country and it seems best to be their for that.
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Trench, whatever quanatative advantage you may have by having "reduced competition"
will be offset by the number of "birds" who have flown to warmer climate in neighboring countries
ecosystem disruption/destruction, usually doesn't favor it as a hunting ground
I expect something similar in Ukraine
and if you thought the level of PTSD in Ukraine was high pre-2014
imagine it to day
and imagine dealing with a spouse with severe PTSD
Ukraine is a MUCH different place from what it once was...
with new dangers as well as the old ones
Kind of sounds like the write up to a sci fi series lol.
I certainly agree with that though, I'm gening up on my martial arts just in case ;) Like you say mental health stuff, widespread poverty and people beset with problems. On top of that many more people geared to a violent frame of mind.
Chișinău probably won't be a bad option rather than Ukraine given all what's going on there. I think as Pat was saying a few months back that the situation is all a bit complex now that it used to be with dating as it's really thrown everything around.
Difficult to say with the migration issue but I get your point. Many of the refugees were families so not so much if a dating situation with them. Some of course were young women, some ended up disillusioned and went back to Ukraine, some just missed the society they were familiar with or had family still in Ukraine and went back. Some hooked up with guys in the country they fled too. Others may still be floating around. Will many stay long term? Who knows. Theoretically they only have residence for so long. A lot of the war in Ukraine is just in the East (at present) I'm guessing that a lot of Ukrainian chicks stayed present if only in part to support their menfolk. Mariupol was destroyed, Kherson left near a ghost town, etc. Still I reckon a lot of Ukrainians likely just moved to central and west Ukraine. Making a go of it in a foreign country is not probably an easy choice even if it might possibly mean better prospects in the long run. We kind of already know that a lot of Ukrainian girls just want to live locally.
For me the extra Ukrainian women in Moldova may possibly play to my advantage so I'll play my cards their first shortly.
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"You strike me as a pretty wealthy guy Krim, wouldn't your interests be more closely aligned with the masters as a result?"
no
because the master's greed will eventually undermine the system, causing it to collapse
Putin's war is an example of this
Russian oligarch's ALREADY have lost HALF their weath just in the last year
so was the American civil war....
slavery suppressed wages for poor whites in the south by 30%
yet poor whites died by the hundreds of thousands for massa,
after the civil war, the south's economy was completely destroyed
and a lot of people jsut picked up and moved west to get away
and the south really didn't really recover until WWII
sooner or later, "the "state" needs to be the dominant economic force
and not the masters
and the only way to keep the state honest
is if it's run by ALL THE PEOPLE and not just the chosen few who use it as a cover to grab everything
a democracy is the EXACT opposite of an oligarchy
and a functioning democracy is what we need, and DO NOT HAVE
and if the masters have their way, WE NEVER WILL!
but...
computer sez they're not gonna have their way for much longer
"Kind of sounds like the write up to a sci fi series lol."
which is what most of Ukraine looks like now, a place where the apocalypse came, had a look around, and then went someplace else more inviting....
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Is this some form of a new British math?
4+ million WOMEN leave Ukraine. Guys aren't allowed to leave Ukraine. 200K guys die.
And how is this going to create a shortage of men? 4+ million women left.
And if you do find a girl to pursue in Ukraine...how will you convince her to leave Ukraine to be with you? If a war isn't enough to get her to leave her family and homeland, why do you think she will leave for you?
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Is this some form of a new British math?
4+ million WOMEN leave Ukraine. Guys aren't allowed to leave Ukraine. 200K guys die.
And how is this going to create a shortage of men? 4+ million women left.
Good catch BeeMan !
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Is this some form of a new British math?
4+ million WOMEN leave Ukraine. Guys aren't allowed to leave Ukraine. 200K guys die.
And how is this going to create a shortage of men? 4+ million women left.
And if you do find a girl to pursue in Ukraine...how will you convince her to leave Ukraine to be with you? If a war isn't enough to get her to leave her family and homeland, why do you think she will leave for you?
Calm yourself my Bee Farmuh I will explain!
That 4+ million comprises of women and their children mostly. Sources vary and of course dates of data collection etc but take this one for example:
"What percentage of Ukrainian refugees are female?
According to the UNHCR, more than 5.5 million refugees - 90% of whom are women and children - have fled Ukraine since the Russian invasion started on 24 February. A further 7.1 million people are internally displaced within Ukraine, including women and children in need of medical care.5 May 2022"
So a lot of that number will be children boys & girls, and a lot of women in the family set up with those children. Now the father may die in the fighting so how the women takes that who knows. I personally am not looking to stand in there.
Those that are single or have a bf, partner or husband at the front without children will vary but are probably a less sizable group.
So most of those family groups were never in the dating scene for WM as they were sorted with a guy. If that guy does at the front who knows.
The second group without children well their other half could die at the front or they may be single but would have dated local guys or just didn't date.
They could date local guys that would mean that it's harder for local girls if they are attractive to date. So a bigger pool of women in the country they are refugee in. In that respect it could potentially help dating if travelling to date in such a country as I intend to. As Pat said it's a complex and fluid situation but wherever those women are/go the will be a shortfall of men as a result. I'm not so sure them refugeeing out of Ukraine will absolve the demographic male/female disparity that will be created long term.
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Trench, whatever quanatative advantage you may have by having "reduced competition"
will be offset by the number of "birds" who have flown to warmer climate in neighboring countries
ecosystem disruption/destruction, usually doesn't favor it as a hunting ground
I expect something similar in Ukraine
and if you thought the level of PTSD in Ukraine was high pre-2014
imagine it to day
and imagine dealing with a spouse with severe PTSD
Ukraine is a MUCH different place from what it once was...
with new dangers as well as the old ones
This is how i feel about the situation with Ukrainian hotties too.
I've already told Trench that i would estimate a million young,single women will have fled to other countries.
The ones who remained are getting missiles fired at where they live practically daily....many will have been killed by the orcs.
In Lyman for example it was reported by the Ukrainians AND Russian troops based there, that before the Ukrainian troops could retake the town the orcs before leaving had raped and killed every young woman there as a parting gift to Ukraine,
Trench seems to ignore the grim realities/horrors of what's happening in Ukraine..all he focuses on are young male soldiers being killed or maimed,believing that will increase his chances of scoring with a young hottie there.
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Generally will be spending part of my time with her in her home country and part in the UK on business.
Hahahahaaha! What business do you have other than a $9.32 per hour job?
Who is she going to be having sex with, when you go away for your "business trips"?
You think that you will have an opportunity to make a baby with one of these FSUW without
marrying them? or picking up any STD's? or getting beat half to death by an angry brother?
If these are your goals. Get a rental chick at http://relaxkiev.com/en/ or some such place
and search out the cheapest ones. You aren't going to be able to trick a good girl into going
for your plan. You would be better off paying one to have your fantasies with. Your £'s will
stretch further with those type of girls. You won't have to write her extensive letters, learn
Russian, finish your remodeling project, hit the gym or win her heart.
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Hahahahaaha! What business do you have other than a $9.32 per hour job?
Who is she going to be having sex with, when you go away for your "business trips"?
You think that you will have an opportunity to make a baby with one of these FSUW without
marrying them? or picking up any STD's? or getting beat half to death by an angry brother?
If these are your goals. Get a rental chick at http://relaxkiev.com/en/ or some such place
and search out the cheapest ones. You aren't going to be able to trick a good girl into going
for your plan. You would be better off paying one to have your fantasies with. Your £'s will
stretch further with those type of girls. You won't have to write her extensive letters, learn
Russian, finish your remodeling project, hit the gym or win her heart.
I see what you're getting at Beel, get myself on that RelaxKiev site and get girls paying to do it with me! :D
That or go the Richard Gere route and make them an offer to good to refuse for a permanent deal lol.
Seriously though, yeah the her playing away while I'm away is a slight shortfall in the plan but then it's much of what I would face if I brought her to the UK anyway. Any pretty enough girl is going to have guys crack onto her or get interested in other dudes. Unless I get a place out in the wilderness in the UK and don't work or work from home there's a likelihood that some dude will get in there, it's the unfortunate way society has gone in the west let's face it. Few get the old fashioned stable relationship with kids and being faithful to each other these days. Possibly if you get with a fat and or ugly girl or get lucky with a girl who is into you/loyal.
The one advantage I have in the FSU is being able to keep her in a level of comfort better than most if not all of the local guys. If that is seen as on the line then that may help her to remain faithful, no guarantees but it may help. It's really the only way to go these days with how things are. If I get her pregnant and have kids with her that can help too, no assurances again of course but a lot of guys stear clear of all that kind of stuff.
If I bring her back here however that is the worst, loads of sex starved thirsty guys. The income disparity will have gone and she'll have a lot more guys to choose from.
The marriage issue is always open to negotiation, I know some FSU are dead opposed to not doing that first but guess see how it goes. Getting married with her living out there isn't a bad deal as a lot more protection of ones assets our there than in the UK. Basically as you probably know all that a guy owns in property before marriage he owns after the marriage also, so guess who becomes the goose that lays the golden egg ;D
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I've just seen a video of wounded Ukrainian soldiers being taken to a hospital just outside Bakhmut.
One soldier in his forties/fifties i'd say arrived pretty chopped up on a stretcher .groaning in pain as he was moved onto a hospital mattress for surgery.
Happily he pulls through as the surgeons "bring him back from the other side".
We see him later sitting up and he winks at one of the young Nurses.Her reaction confirms my thoughts on how any man will find it it very difficult to compete with these heroes.
She was swooning as she repeatedly said to the cameraman " He winked at me "
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Until Trench gets on a plane, it's all just part of his unproven hypothesis mixed with the fantasy of wanting a cake and eating it too.
Not a hare in sight, and obsessing over how to get one to jump and stay in his bag while sitting on a couch.
I wish him well with finding a mate, but I doubt his wherewithal.
2tall's suggestion is probably the best, and most practical solution.
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I've just seen a video of wounded Ukrainian soldiers being taken to a hospital just outside Bakhmut.
One soldier in his forties/fifties i'd say arrived pretty chopped up on a stretcher .groaning in pain as he was moved onto a hospital mattress for surgery.
Happily he pulls through as the surgeons "bring him back from the other side".
We see him later sitting up and he winks at one of the young Nurses.Her reaction confirms my thoughts on how any man will find it it very difficult to compete with these heroes.
She was swooning as she repeatedly said to the cameraman " He winked at me "
Women can show affection/adoration to many a man and it may last a day, a few weeks, months, year, a lifetime or just a few minutes. Adoration is one thing but getting with these guys in a relationship is quite another particularly long term. Even if she puts him up on a pedestal the realities of being in a relationship with a guy are likely to shatter illusions of any good like status.
I'm quite happy to stake a long term bet on sitting the war out as a WM and focusing on financial betterment as an individual over time. That's what will talk when this war is over. The in the moment fantasy of this nurse and other women like her will have faded. Many will want to get away from the war scene stuff having seen and heard enough. These soldiers will unfortunately for them be yesterdays news and in reality quicky forgotten about for the most part. Women there will refocus on what is most important to them, bread & butter issues and comfortable living. It's the way it goes it always has done. Look at how the Vietnam vets were treated particularly after the war. They soon became yesterday's news and people wanted to distance themselves from it all and quickly. Life moves on and an asset one day (war hero) becomes a relative non-issue the next. If Ukraine & these women are saved from the marauding orc hordes then their desperation will be over and they'll return back to what is in their self interest in the given moment in time.
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Women can show affection/adoration to many a man and it may last a day, a few weeks, months, year, a lifetime or just a few minutes. Adoration is one thing but getting with these guys in a relationship is quite another particularly long term. Even if she puts him up on a pedestal the realities of being in a relationship with a guy are likely to shatter illusions of any good like status.
I'm quite happy to stake a long term bet on sitting the war out as a WM and focusing on financial betterment as an individual over time. That's what will talk when this war is over. The in the moment fantasy of this nurse and other women like her will have faded. Many will want to get away from the war scene stuff having seen and heard enough. These soldiers will unfortunately for them be yesterdays news and in reality quicky forgotten about for the most part. Women there will refocus on what is most important to them, bread & butter issues and comfortable living. It's the way it goes it always has done. Look at how the Vietnam vets were treated particularly after the war. They soon became yesterday's news and people wanted to distance themselves from it all and quickly. Life moves on and an asset one day (war hero) becomes a relative non-issue the next. If Ukraine & these women are saved from the marauding orc hordes then their desperation will be over and they'll return back to what is in their self interest in the given moment in time.
There were huge protests in the USA against the Vietnam war,as there was in the UK against the war in Iraq.
So it follows that there will be no particular affection for soldiers who went off to fight in them.
The situation in Ukraine is TOTALLY different.
Ukrainian soldiers are fighting to save the lives,land and futures of their OWN people.
None of us have gone through what the Ukrainians are suffering.
If Ukraine wins this war it will be because of their heroic military and Ukrainian women will feel such a nationalistic pride in their men you just won't be able to compete.
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There were huge protests in the USA against the Vietnam war,as there was in the UK against the war in Iraq.
So it follows that there will be no particular affection for soldiers who went off to fight in them.
The situation in Ukraine is TOTALLY different.
Ukrainian soldiers are fighting to save the lives,land and futures of their OWN people.
None of us have gone through what the Ukrainians are suffering.
If Ukraine wins this war it will be because of their heroic military and Ukrainian women will feel such a nationalistic pride in their men you just won't be able to compete.
Oh please, CB war goes something like this, number of dead wanna be heroes 'large percentage no.', number of maimed wanna be heroes 'large percentage no.' too, number of surviving but largely undecorated service wannabe heroes 'large percentage no.' lastly number of recognised decorated actual realised wanna be heroes, 'minute percentage no.'
It's only the last category that will have much sway on women and that is if the 'war hero'' got out sane preferably unmaimed and with at least reasonably economic prospects going forward. The rest most of the Ukrainian women won't give two figs about I've seen what they are like it will all be pretty much by the by.
The orcs look likey to take Bakhmut but what do you think would happen if Ukrainian lines start breaking in the coming weeks/months. My guess would pretty much be that Ukrainian women would flee into the EU countries in their droves, at their love for their country suddenly gone. It's how they are and how most women are. The reason I don't get involved in wars, even it it were my own country is that I know how they are, the shallowness and the 'up yours' you get from them should matters no longer suit them as they see it.
I recall at the beginning of this conflict you were all, 'this ain't our war so has nothing to do with us' and didn't want your son to go fight. Since those days you've been pretty gung ho on here in quite a marked turn around. This isn't an attack on you, you're quite entitled to your view but if your so gung ho about it all why aren't you or your son going out there to fight? Sitting behind a screen as a keyboard warrior isn't aiding their situation.
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Oh please, CB war goes something like this, number of dead wanna be heroes 'large percentage no.', number of maimed wanna be heroes 'large percentage no.' too, number of surviving but largely undecorated service wannabe heroes 'large percentage no.' lastly number of recognised decorated actual realised wanna be heroes, 'minute percentage no.'
It's only the last category that will have much sway on women and that is if the 'war hero'' got out sane preferably unmaimed and with at least reasonably economic prospects going forward. The rest most of the Ukrainian women won't give two figs about I've seen what they are like it will all be pretty much by the by.
The orcs look likey to take Bakhmut but what do you think would happen if Ukrainian lines start breaking in the coming weeks/months. My guess would pretty much be that Ukrainian women would flee into the EU countries in their droves, at their love for their country suddenly gone. It's how they are and how most women are. The reason I don't get involved in wars, even it it were my own country is that I know how they are, the shallowness and the 'up yours' you get from them should matters no longer suit them as they see it.
I recall at the beginning of this conflict you were all, 'this ain't our war so has nothing to do with us' and didn't want your son to go fight. Since those days you've been pretty gung ho on here in quite a marked turn around. This isn't an attack on you, you're quite entitled to your view but if your so gung ho about it all why aren't you or your son going out there to fight? Sitting behind a screen as a keyboard warrior isn't aiding their situation.
I said from day one,unlike you,that Russia would find this a hard war to win,if they win at all.
Whilst you were saying Ukraine would quickly fall with all the Russians wonderful array of weaponry i told you and others on here that wouldn't happen.
Well here we are a year after Russia's invasion....with them controlling just 16.5 % of Ukraine,and that includes Crimea.
Does that make me gung ho ? I have no idea...it does make me correct and you incorrect though doesn't it ?
As you have shown that you know fark all about women,with you never having had a long-term relationship with any as far as i'm aware, and i was married for 12 years and in a relationship with another woman for 11 years, i'll test my knowledge about them against yours anytime.....so we'll see how you get on in Ukraine with all your expertise about them if and when you go there again.
For all your so-called knowledge about women you continually fail with them..yet you try and tell me you know what Ukrainian women will do with their soldiers....we'll see who's right and who's wrong IF Ukraine wins won't we ?
I'd say you're the keyboard warrior about..... women...and failing dismally at it.
As for me not going to Ukraine to fight,Ukraine wouldn't have me even if i offered my services.
My military background is with the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm ,and the only weapon i ever trained on was a SLR....not quite the experience Ukraine is looking for...and they ONLY want experienced people,because anything else would be a liability to their own soldiers .
As for my son he finishes his Bachelors Degree in Mechanical Engineering in the summer.He then takes his Masters Degree the following year,and will then join the Military as an Officer a year later when he finishes his Masters...so the way things are going it's not beyond the realms of possibility he'll be confronting the Russians in the future.
How about you or your son going to fight in Ukraine ?
Oh of course you have no military training ,and don't want to fight anyway,not even for your own country if we were invaded,having already admitted you'd flee if that happened....and you'd need to find a woman who'd actually have non-paid sex with you to father a son wouldn't you ?
But hey you're the expert on women aren't you ?
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I said from day one,unlike you,that Russia would find this a hard war to win,if they win at all.
Whilst you were saying Ukraine would quickly fall with all the Russians wonderful array of weaponry i told you and others on here that wouldn't happen.
Well here we are a year after Russia's invasion....with them controlling just 16.5 % of Ukraine,and that includes Crimea.
Does that make me gung ho ? I have no idea...it does make me correct and you incorrect though doesn't it ?
As you have shown that you know fark all about women,with you never having had a long-term relationship with any as far as i'm aware, and i was married for 12 years and in a relationship with another woman for 11 years, i'll test my knowledge about them against yours anytime.....so we'll see how you get on in Ukraine with all your expertise about them if and when you go there again.
For all your so-called knowledge about women you continually fail with them..yet you try and tell me you know what Ukrainian women will do with their soldiers....we'll see who's right and who's wrong IF Ukraine wins won't we ?
I'd say you're the keyboard warrior about..... women...and failing dismally at it.
As for me not going to Ukraine to fight,Ukraine wouldn't have me even if i offered my services.
My military background is with the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm ,and the only weapon i ever trained on was a SLR....not quite the experience Ukraine is looking for...and they ONLY want experienced people,because anything else would be a liability to their own soldiers .
As for my son he finishes his Bachelors Degree in Mechanical Engineering in the summer.He then takes his Masters Degree the following year,and will then join the Military as an Officer a year later when he finishes his Masters...so the way things are going it's not beyond the realms of possibility he'll be confronting the Russians in the future.
How about you or your son going to fight in Ukraine ?
Oh of course you have no military training ,and don't want to fight anyway,not even for your own country if we were invaded,having already admitted you'd flee if that happened....and you'd need to find a woman who'd actually have non-paid sex with you to father a son wouldn't you ?
But hey you're the expert on women aren't you ?
CB as I said it was not an attack on you merely it is a curious factual position. You are egging on people to go fight or do aid work as you did with me on here but neither you or your son as military men are wishing to do so. I am hearing excuses but I'm not hearing any desire for yourselves to I get involved. If either of you were truly committed to the fight for Ukraine you would get out there and quit with the excuses.
Russia I truly believe would have overrun Ukraine quickly had they not used extremely poor strategy. Most would have expected them to use a decent strategy but they messed up by making such big mistakes, chiefly among them not attacking Ukraine from all sides at once, a clear Ukrainian geographic problem and not attacking down the land border with the EU/other European nations. It is fortunate for Ukraine that I am pro-Ukraine and not a Russian deploying the strategy for such an invasion.
As to my dating life well I see I have upset you but it doesn't alter the fact that you are egging others on but not willing to stump up yourself. Both you and your son could get out there and really be a part of the Ukrainian war effort. If you both set aside your comfortable lives in the west and what you are presently doing and future plans you could be part of the magnificent crusade for real against Russia that you always are so enamoured with on here.
The war is happening today out in Ukraine but you seem to have no intention of going out there and joining Ukraine in its war effort. What kind of a military man does that make you and your son????
Do you want to be the guy talking big about the Ukrainian war in future but fall silent when someone asks you if you were out there and your role? Arriving perhaps on holiday after and missing the war? The opportunity exists to get out there today. I can't believe you talk so passionately on here about Ukraine winning the war but are willing to sit back in your chair and be an Arm Chair General.
It's today the fight is happening, tommorow is too late and you would have sat back talked the talk but ultimately done nothing.
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wehether Ukraine, UK, or USofA
the pool of "elidgible" men will always be a puddle
while the pool of desperate men will be deeper than the sea...
and ya'll be just just a little drop of water in that infinite sea...
so home boyz the size of your pool ain't as important as which pool you in
and WTF, ya'll don't know how to swim anyway...
if you can't find the path
maybe you didn't look hard enuff
cuz it's pretty much always right in freakin front of you
but you don't see it
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wehether Ukraine, UK, or USofA
the pool of "elidgible" men will always be a puddle
while the pool of desperate men will be deeper than the sea...
and ya'll be just just a little drop of water in that infinite sea...
so home boyz the size of your pool ain't as important as which pool you in
and WTF, ya'll don't know how to swim anyway...
if you can't find the path
maybe you didn't look hard enuff
cuz it's pretty much always right in freakin front of you
but you don't see it
That's the funny thing if I go to the FSU all of a sudden I move into the 'eligible men' category. A 3 hour flight which is nothing really transforms me into a big fish better than most of the local guys when really I'm much the same as them in my home country lol. Difference being for doing much the same level of job I'm earning a whole lot more. If I get similar level of inflow of money coming in from renting out rooms in my house the same magic continues. So if I have a relationship out there the girl is none the wiser, she thinks I am well off but really I am just like them.
Back home I could mostly only get a girl who is one I don't want that doesn't do it for me, the obese, the unattractive, the girls who are socially awkward, bad character traits etc. Most of the decent girls really want a guy who is way above them in the pecking order. Added to that women competing with men in the workplace and their outlook is wholly unrealistic.
However, I think one of the issues was with Ukraine, etc that in parts, particularly in the big cities like Kyiv they were getting reasonably well off before the war and also the virus. As I think Boe said on here life there was becoming a bit like like anywhere almost. Sure sone differences remained but the good old days that you enjoyed Krim post USSR break up were much older dudes could be seen with much younger chicks were becoming less frequent. As I found when I was sitting in Shevchenko Park the summer before the virus outbreak the girls were no longer desperate to land a foreign guy, not there at least where generally the impression I got that the then well heeled young student types frequented mostly from comfortably of families.
The virus but I think to a greater extent the war has reset alm of that, Ukraine's economy is back in the sh*t along with Russia's, Moldova, etc. Worse than that it's having its buildings blown up and the place made an apocalyptic dump wherever the Russian Army ventures in Ukraine.
I kind of accept the point though that despite losses of men at the front that it may not necessarily translate into a more easier dating situation, it might it might not. It's kind of fluid I guess, I may find that I have a better dating situation traveling to Moldova this April than travelling to Ukraine at the end of the war, if that is at all desirable given the state the place may be in. With a lot of Ukrainian female refugees crossing the border into Poland but also Moldova it could be a gold mine after all Moldova is(was?) even poorer than Ukraine so the female Ukrainian refugees their will have about the same pool of guys to house from, if not worse than they did in Ukraine. All the while potentially losing the guys they may have been with from Ukraine at the front.
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Trenchcoat, I started the FSU dating in 1998 where there were a lot more women interested. Russian/Ukraine economies were very bad. They would travel to cities to attend the socials. Many guys had a woman in their room in a few days. I heard a lot of desperate stories from the women. A lot of fiancee visas started before the guys left. Girls would approach me at the socials. It was a bit much. Things changed in a few years as economy improved, internet opened up, and women become more educated about life and men outside of the FSU. Then, it became more challenging with women being more selective in leaving.
With that being said, the worst thing is for women to become desperate. It opens up men to a lot of risk to becoming a mule who will be left as soon as the women have better options. Yes, it was great to have so many women interested but the long-term interest was not there. You want a woman who chooses you for you and not because she has to get out of a bad situation ASAP.
I traveled to Ukraine and to Moscow/St. Pete. The women were more educated and selective at Moscow/St Pete but I still went to Moscow 3 times. Both Ukraine and Russia were great but sometimes I felt that Moscow/St Pete was a good choice for me since the women were educated and more selective. But my situation was different in that I was looking for a place to semi-retire than to bring a woman here.
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I recall at the beginning of this conflict you were all, 'this ain't our war so has nothing to do with us' and didn't want your son to go fight. Since those days you've been pretty gung ho on here in quite a marked turn around. This isn't an attack on you, you're quite entitled to your view but if your so gung ho about it all why aren't you or your son going out there to fight? Sitting behind a screen as a keyboard warrior isn't aiding their situation.
You're totally wrong yet again Trench...you certainly are consistent.
From the very start of this war i said the UK and USA need to support Ukraine because of the BUDAPEST AGREEMENT....you know where we encouraged Ukraine to give up their nukes.If Ukraine still had those nukes there would be no orc invasion today .
So there has been NO marked turn around from me at all.
I suggest you go back and read the arguments between me and GQBlues on here about this very subject...before he shuffled off the site.
He was adamant the USA shouldn't support Ukraine in any way,probably influenced by having a Russian wife..just like the berk who runs the other site which is heavily pro-russian.
Some men can't think for themselves..fortunately other men with Russian wives can as seen on here,and of course not all Russian women are Putler fangirls.
Like you he had to resort to saying my son should go and fight then, because he was losing the argument..just like you are now.
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CB as I said it was not an attack on you merely it is a curious factual position. You are egging on people to go fight or do aid work as you did with me on here but neither you or your son as military men are wishing to do so. I am hearing excuses but I'm not hearing any desire for yourselves to I get involved. If either of you were truly committed to the fight for Ukraine you would get out there and quit with the excuses.
Russia I truly believe would have overrun Ukraine quickly had they not used extremely poor strategy. Most would have expected them to use a decent strategy but they messed up by making such big mistakes, chiefly among them not attacking Ukraine from all sides at once, a clear Ukrainian geographic problem and not attacking down the land border with the EU/other European nations. It is fortunate for Ukraine that I am pro-Ukraine and not a Russian deploying the strategy for such an invasion.
As to my dating life well I see I have upset you but it doesn't alter the fact that you are egging others on but not willing to stump up yourself. Both you and your son could get out there and really be a part of the Ukrainian war effort. If you both set aside your comfortable lives in the west and what you are presently doing and future plans you could be part of the magnificent crusade for real against Russia that you always are so enamoured with on here.
The war is happening today out in Ukraine but you seem to have no intention of going out there and joining Ukraine in its war effort. What kind of a military man does that make you and your son????
Do you want to be the guy talking big about the Ukrainian war in future but fall silent when someone asks you if you were out there and your role? Arriving perhaps on holiday after and missing the war? The opportunity exists to get out there today. I can't believe you talk so passionately on here about Ukraine winning the war but are willing to sit back in your chair and be an Arm Chair General.
It's today the fight is happening, tommorow is too late and you would have sat back talked the talk but ultimately done nothing.
I have explained to you why neither i or my son has fought in Ukraine.They're not excuses,they're valid reasons.
If you can't tell the difference then maybe you suffer from some form of Autism ?
The BBC and Sky News both followed volunteers from the UK going to Ukraine to fight last year and being rejected because they didn't have the relevant military experience required....of course that doesn't suit your agenda does it ?
Of course that wouldn't prevent us going and doing aid runs over there ,but he's at Uni and has no particular affinity for Ukraine.He gets plenty of English girlfriends and has no interest in foreign women.
Despite that he will be joining the Military in about 18 months time,knowing full well the risks involved in doing so at this time.
As for me.as i have told you many times on here...once again go back and read my posts...i have no particular affinity for Ukraine either ,as in my one visit there ended up with the woman i travelled to meet attempting to scam me for 300 USD,so why should i risk my life for them ?
You're the guy who wants to hook up with a Ukrainian hottie...not me or my son,...so it's on you to go and do something out there to help them..not expect people like me or my son to do your dirty work for you .
I suggested you go and do aid runs out there as a way to make a very good impression on Ukrainian hotties there...as i know a married guy doing that and he's fighting the women off ...because you're the bloke who wants one on your arm.
But no ,you being the coward you are you respond by saying me and my son should go and fight out there instead..trying to deflect and cover up your lack of courage.
By the way show us where i've suggested others go out there,apart from you, as you claimed.
You're the guy who won't even put his hand in his pocket to help the Ukrainian Military or civilians...so not only are you a coward..you're a tight-fisted coward.
Yeah the Ukrainian hotties will certainly fall at your feet LOL.
At least i give some financial aid to various outlets out there..supporting both Military and civilians...and i'm the one who has no intention of ever going back there,despite some of them now inviting me to visit after they've won the war,so they can thank me personally.
You're the guy full of excuses.
Capiche ?
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Trench....
no 'bro
you misunderstand the eligible man pool
this ain't the pool you in
you in the other foul, stinky one
the desperate man pool with Bee Farmer likely peeing in it (he's fixated on his little wee-wee)
your real struggle, is how ya get out of this pool, into the nice one surrounded by scantily attired wimmin....
poverty is one of the things standin in your way, but there's more
if you WERE an eligible man, some woman already would have snagged you
cuz eligible men are like gold to them, precious and RARE
what base metal are you Trench?
it's gold the female prospectors all want
gold
and not lead or something baser
if you have actual lead, though I buy scrap lead, I pay $1 per pound
and yes, I am a lead collector
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I felt that Moscow/St Pete was a good choice for me since the women were educated and more selective. But my situation was different in that I was looking for a place to semi-retire than to bring a woman here.
Those are two cities with pleasant weather for those looking for retirment places . . . right ?
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"hose are two cities with pleasant weather for those looking for retirment places . . . right ?"
sure 20 years from now
at the end of this century, Alaska will be biggest agricultural region of the usa
while the midwst wheat belt will be dry and dusty
in a couple of more years I'm gonna move outta the south
an early climate refugee
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I have explained to you why neither i or my son has fought in Ukraine.They're not excuses,they're valid reasons.
If you can't tell the difference then maybe you suffer from some form of Autism ?
The BBC and Sky News both followed volunteers from the UK going to Ukraine to fight last year and being rejected because they didn't have the relevant military experience required....of course that doesn't suit your agenda does it ?
Of course that wouldn't prevent us going and doing aid runs over there ,but he's at Uni and has no particular affinity for Ukraine.He gets plenty of English girlfriends and has no interest in foreign women.
Despite that he will be joining the Military in about 18 months time,knowing full well the risks involved in doing so at this time.
As for me.as i have told you many times on here...once again go back and read my posts...i have no particular affinity for Ukraine either ,as in my one visit there ended up with the woman i travelled to meet attempting to scam me for 300 USD,so why should i risk my life for them ?
You're the guy who wants to hook up with a Ukrainian hottie...not me or my son,...so it's on you to go and do something out there to help them..not expect people like me or my son to do your dirty work for you .
I suggested you go and do aid runs out there as a way to make a very good impression on Ukrainian hotties there...as i know a married guy doing that and he's fighting the women off ...because you're the bloke who wants one on your arm.
But no ,you being the coward you are you respond by saying me and my son should go and fight out there instead..trying to deflect and cover up your lack of courage.
By the way show us where i've suggested others go out there,apart from you, as you claimed.
You're the guy who won't even put his hand in his pocket to help the Ukrainian Military or civilians...so not only are you a coward..you're a tight-fisted coward.
Yeah the Ukrainian hotties will certainly fall at your feet LOL.
At least i give some financial aid to various outlets out there..supporting both Military and civilians...and i'm the one who has no intention of ever going back there,despite some of them now inviting me to visit after they've won the war,so they can thank me personally.
You're the guy full of excuses.
Capiche ?
Ok I think I understand. Neither you nor your son has any affinity to Ukraine, it's people or women. Yet you post on here fanatically about how they are thumping the Russians. You no longer are searching for a Ukrainian woman after one tried to scam you yet you still post on here regularly. As a fellow Brexiteer I don't mind I'll let you off that one even though it makes no sense.
So what are you doing for women CB? Surely you are not eeking out a life without one?
If you are why not give the FSU another go? They are not all scammers there you just got unlucky possibly using the wrong site, agency or just got unlucky with a girl.
If you're single and unattached why not get out there for a bit of fun? Ukraine is dependent on how you feel about that one with the war but Moldova is still a nice easy bet. Spring & Summer is coming up so in a few weeks it'll lovely warm weather out there and good for enjoying the hospitality of a good woman. A great time to get out of the old man's arm chair banging away on here and enjoy good times out there.
Are you the type of guy that gives up at the first hiccup CB? That's not the military way surely. The scammer issue is random, over time you'll catch on earlier usually to a scammer without paranoia dogging you, well most of the time at least mistakes can happen if course. Main thing was that you didn't give into her and moved on. The big mistake I think though was leaving with your tail between your legs too frightened to try again for fear of the same. Most of the girls I've met and the ones I've spoken to online have been sincere enough as in not scammers. You got an unlucky start at this game but don't let that put you off get yourself on Fdate or wherever now to set up a meet or even with one of those women that wanted to thank you personally ;)
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Trench....
no 'bro
you misunderstand the eligible man pool
this ain't the pool you in
you in the other foul, stinky one
the desperate man pool with Bee Farmer likely peeing in it (he's fixated on his little wee-wee)
your real struggle, is how ya get out of this pool, into the nice one surrounded by scantily attired wimmin....
poverty is one of the things standin in your way, but there's more
if you WERE an eligible man, some woman already would have snagged you
cuz eligible men are like gold to them, precious and RARE
what base metal are you Trench?
it's gold the female prospectors all want
gold
and not lead or something baser
if you have actual lead, though I buy scrap lead, I pay $1 per pound
and yes, I am a lead collector
Cheers Krim, lol.
Thing is to be a rich man isn't an easy task otherwise we would all be doing it. Generally there are two routes:
1). Get Rich Quick. - So play the lottery, premium bonds, big draw prizes, long shot big pay out gambles, risky shares on the stick market. Start a business where the hope is that it will bring in a big quick return but possibly high risk initially investment. Basically get lucky, get into the right thing at the right time.
2). Get Rich Over Time. - the process of investing in property, supposedly stable shares on the stock market, supposedly sound business development, investments, etc. This route can all take time and no guaranteed success even if seemingly less risky.
So that's basically it some will try the above of either or both and fail. Some will get rich at some point. Many gamblers fail but there are always a few who get lucky. A lot of people may say start a business but it's not necessarily a sure route to a sound money spinner. How many businesses fail for whatever reason? Is there a market? Can I get enough customer? Or get enough customers to know if my existance without it costing too much in marketing? etc. The big one of course is, Is there so much competition that there isn't much profit to be made? - Imagine selling stuff on eBay or Amazon and the amount of people selling the same stuff or similar.
Often the gold nugget idea of being your own boss and making a mint over night just by deciding to set up in business can mean a lot of money potentially being lost in a failed business idea and ending up worse off plus possibly having to find employment again.
Having money behind you can help a lot as it can help success in business even if the business idea is not the best. I've heard that once you start getting money rolling in it's not too difficult to get more money rolling in through starting more businesses. Essentially either by having the investment to support a business better in the development stages or trying out business ideas and not having to worry so much about the ones that don't work.
As for me in terms of my net worth my house with rising property prices and work done on it has risen from about £40k to about £140k withing the space of about 5 years or so. My house is free of mortgage so potentially that can be tapped into to invest elsewhere for further money growth. It's a get rich (hopefully) over time strategy but one I think is slowly paying off. It may not make me a millionaire but it should hopefully make me comfortably off.
So what next, I could start a business and I have an idea on that, will it work & how well who knows. Business have the potential for cumulative growth and income so more money can be brought in and the chance to get wealthy fairly fast but that's only the businesses that succeed. Money can be sunk into getting a business going and lost.
Other idea is to buy further property abroad, possibly a villa in a hot country, somewhere warm that I can escape the cold dreary British winters from. I don't mind getting a doer upper on the cheap that way I can gain by property value gain and when I'm not there rent out the rooms. Obviously I wouldn't get a big project, something with less work than I have been doing so less conversion more renovation/refurbishment. It would kind of give me a nice place to bring girls too a more party/luxury atmosphere. That for me I think wouldn't be bad going. At what point girls notice and get attracted to a guy with a bit of wealth who knows?
I guess if a guy looks like he is his own boss, has business of some form possibly even in property that can support him. If he'd doesn't really have to do much grunt work himself but gets the money flowing in without him having to work real strenuously, perhaps that.
I saw a guy at speed dating once, he was older looking than all the other guys, greying hair, almost gangly looking. Was wearing a suit but I doubt if he looked much to the women on the looks front. Wouldn't have thought his chances are good but at the start before the event got going a fair number of women were hovering around him while he was talking about his business, forget what it was now but seemed legit. The women seemed to take interest in him over that and I guess it showed what they were after.
Always kind of a pain not to be wealthy and have it all sorted when young, imagine being in that position, easy life lol.
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sure 20 years from now
“The Earth’s Cooling Climate,” Science News, November 15, 1969.
“Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age,” Washington Post, January 11, 1970.•
“Science: Another Ice Age?” Time Magazine, June 24, 1974.
“The Ice Age Cometh!” Science News, March 1, 1975.
“The Cooling World,” Newsweek, April 28, 1975.
“Scientists Ask Why World Climate is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead,”
New York Times, May 21, 1975.
“In the Grip of a New Ice Age?” International Wildlife July-August, 1975.
“A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable,” New York Times, September 14, 1975.
“Variations in the Earth’s Orbit, Pacemaker of the Ice Ages,” Science magazine, December 10, 1976.
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oh my, look what happened after ALL those books were written, assuring us that this would not happen!
hint: it happened, but the authors got their writing fees from the oil co, and it's still happening, and it's gonna destoy the world you love so much...
last time I went home to Viginia
Tangier Island was half underwater
and by the end of the decade will be completely immersed
and the people who live there will all be 100% climate refugees
and thousands of acres of coastal farmland gone from rising sea level
and that's just virginia, and that's just 7 years from now
the ogdawala (sp?) aquifer that supplies ALL the groundwater to midwestern wheat fields, will be as bone dry as the colorado river 30 yr from now
the whole world is gonna be fooked in a major way
and then all the wars it's gonna cause...
the good times ain't gonna be rollin in the future holmes
not at all
you de frog sittin in the pot o' water
you ain't gonna be chillin in there
no-siree-bob you ain't
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Oh please, CB war goes something like this, number of dead wanna be heroes 'large percentage no.', number of maimed wanna be heroes 'large percentage no.' too, number of surviving but largely undecorated service wannabe heroes 'large percentage no.' lastly number of recognised decorated actual realised wanna be heroes, 'minute percentage no.'
It's only the last category that will have much sway on women and that is if the 'war hero'' got out sane preferably unmaimed and with at least reasonably economic prospects going forward. The rest most of the Ukrainian women won't give two figs about I've seen what they are like it will all be pretty much by the by.
That shows how much you don't know about how women think.
Watch this and pay attention to how she describes the soldier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35k-xrJyOL8
I remember that aura of him, of that awe, of that disbelief in daylight, to see someone who fought for our freedom, for our ideals.
And he looked like a god to me.
Just a regular soldier who survived WWII. And to her, he looked like a god.
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“The Earth’s Cooling Climate,” Science News, November 15, 1969.
“Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age,” Washington Post, January 11, 1970.•
“Science: Another Ice Age?” Time Magazine, June 24, 1974.
“The Ice Age Cometh!” Science News, March 1, 1975.
“The Cooling World,” Newsweek, April 28, 1975.
“Scientists Ask Why World Climate is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead,”
New York Times, May 21, 1975.
“In the Grip of a New Ice Age?” International Wildlife July-August, 1975.
“A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable,” New York Times, September 14, 1975.
“Variations in the Earth’s Orbit, Pacemaker of the Ice Ages,” Science magazine, December 10, 1976.
You got anything more recent than a half century ago?
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when I was a young soldier boy....
I was too sexy for my uniform
too sexy, in any langauge, even cuniform
just one of the unforrms I wore..
the one with the beret was the best
women would lavish me with attention and home cooked meals (especially childless older ones)
I could hitch rides in uniform in like 10 secs tops
and pre-AIDS sexuality, you ALWAYS, ALWAYS got 'sum
damn, I miss those days
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Ok I think I understand. Neither you nor your son has any affinity to Ukraine, it's people or women. Yet you post on here fanatically about how they are thumping the Russians. You no longer are searching for a Ukrainian woman after one tried to scam you yet you still post on here regularly. As a fellow Brexiteer I don't mind I'll let you off that one even though it makes no sense.
I have never searched for a UW, yet post here far more regularly than CB.
So what are you doing for women CB? Surely you are not eeking out a life without one?
Perhaps he dates locally. Like 99.99% of men.
As for the war, people can have no particular affinity for a country, yet understand an unjust war. I had no particular affinity to South Africa, but recognized the perversity and unjustness of apartheid.
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Trench, I believe your "analysis" about UW jumping all over you is flawed.
I tend to agree with CB, that women, particularly women who stayed in Ukraine through the war, will be drawn to men who fought for their country. So many have been injured, that amputees/men with facial injuries will be normalized.
As for money, based on your stated income, keep in mind that after the war, there will be construction projects all across Ukraine. There is a US hedge fund that has already put aside $100 billion to fund construction as an investment. There's US$400 billion in Russian assets frozen in the West, and that likely will also be doled out to Ukraine as war reparations. The money will be used to rebuild, and men, primarily, will have the jobs to do so. So, there will be money from the bottom to the top.
ETA - I believe PTSD will be a huge issue in Ukraine in the future.
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a lotta post-war movies on this subject both USA and Soviet
my review of all these kino is that people suck...
and being a war amputee sucks because of that factor + physical/medical trauma
don't worry, if you got male children, in the future ya'll gonna be INTIMATELY familiar with ALL the many details on this subject
and ya'll need to prepare yourself and your family for what's comin down the road
cuz damn I ain't never seen somethin like what I see a'comin now
perfect freakin storm holmes
whole freakin world will go nuts
I will build me an amazing bunker in the montains
patrolled by my feral grandchildren
who will drink the blood of their enemies (after boiling of course, they ain't savages)
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Let's not forget Forest Gump guys, remember Lieutenant Dan. Even the prostitutes took the pee out if him. Peoples attitudes can can quickly and I believe women's will. They tend to look at where they think their bread is best buttered and go there.
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Trench, I believe your "analysis" about UW jumping all over you is flawed.
I tend to agree with CB, that women, particularly women who stayed in Ukraine through the war, will be drawn to men who fought for their country. So many have been injured, that amputees/men with facial injuries will be normalized.
As for money, based on your stated income, keep in mind that after the war, there will be construction projects all across Ukraine. There is a US hedge fund that has already put aside $100 billion to fund construction as an investment. There's US$400 billion in Russian assets frozen in the West, and that likely will also be doled out to Ukraine as war reparations. The money will be used to rebuild, and men, primarily, will have the jobs to do so. So, there will be money from the bottom to the top.
ETA - I believe PTSD will be a huge issue in Ukraine in the future.
It's questionable how much of those frozen Russian Assets they can legally get their hands on if any. It's not really a question of saying what's just and taking what's wanted. It could be legally challenged and found that they have no right to take that money. Some of it may be from Russian individuals possibly other if it the Russian State. Some of those individuals might not have anything to do with the war or even if they did still it's a case in what grounds to legally take that money. The issue has already been raised, think with the EU but there was reluctance to do anything I'm guessing because of those reasons. I don't see anything changing after the war is over if they are not moving on it now.
Ukraine has a history of being poor, I can't see that changing after the war even if victorious. People talk the talk now but unless there is money there to gain then no investment will be made. The level of corruption is already known about, what western company is going to want to invest good money in Ukraine when it risks being essentially stolen?
On to of that even if they did how long before they would get a return on their investment to break even let alone profit? Build a block of flats, an expensive task then have rents repaid in lowly ghrivna that doesn't chalk up a good return to the £, $ or € investment. People talk now but that is all it is when it gets to it excuses, delays and reasons not to do will be about and people will forget the issue very quickly.
What will happen is that the old Soviet blocks that can be rebuilt/repaired will be at least those that are needed and cost effective to do so. The population may well be less after the war as not all refugees may return then there are war dead so potentially less accomodation needed anyway. The rest will remain bomb sites and the more lucrative sites may get developed over time but likely by Ukrainian companies. Even in the UK a few WWII bombsites remained in London into the 1990s functioning as car parks so it can take a long time. I fully expect the apocalyptic ruins to remain in Ukraine almost tourist attraction like.
Anyhow, I or my fellow WM turn up and all of a sudden we look like pretty boys compared to the disfigured guys and those missing limbs guess how we're be looked upon by Ukrainian women then? ;D We won't have been expected to take part in what went down so no loss of face there but we're be a few points up on the looks front over Ukrainian guys and that's on top of what we had before. My bet is on the WM coming off best but we shall see I guess.
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but Trench your own experince tells you this ain't TRUE
you ain't gonna be successful just by virtue of you being there...
although it DOES put you ahead of modem daters
what have you changed to get a different outcome from your past ones
if the answer is NOTHING of any real substance
then why do you expect a different outcome this time....
besides perseverance and luck, do you have some kinda strategy
what have you done to up your game?
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but Trench your own experince tells you this ain't TRUE
you ain't gonna be successful just by virtue of you being there...
although it DOES put you ahead of modem daters
what have you changed to get a different outcome from your past ones
if the answer is NOTHING of any real substance
then why do you expect a different outcome this time....
besides perseverance and luck, do you have some kinda strategy
what have you done to up your game?
I can get women up far more easily now from dating sites as I have better photos there now. That's a pretty big sea change as it means the more women that I can get to meet in person in theory the better the odds. That said I know I need to look impressive in person hence the diet and weight training stuff. My experience of meeting FSW, discussions on here and stuff I've found out means I should be putting my foot in it a lot less often also.
Their situation has also declined in recent years out there, now if course I'm not looking for a desperate woman and probably their situation is still not as bad as post breakup of the USSR probably not yet. I do of course need a woman who is motivated into accepting a foreign dude and my plans. If a woman is sitting pretty too much and things are comfortable enough with options abound then it can be scant hunting and a much tougher time. At the moment I know that energy is a problem over in Moldova, the thought of another cold winter will not thrill women out there. I have the means to provide heating. On top of that are the Ukrainian refugee women around half a million or more though some of which are children but can guess up to perhaps 2-300,000 adult females, perhaps around 100,000 available female women.
Among those available Ukrainian refugee women many won't be loving their situation in Moldova but will probably have gone there as it's nearby, they speak a language they can understand and it's fairly close to their culture, also of course travelling distance. They will all be wanting different things, not all will want to live further abroad likely why they stopped off in Moldova, that's ok as I would rather keep the relationship out there.
I can't say for sure that I'm guaranteed success on my week out there, I might get it, but I think I am in a lot better stead now if getting it. At the very least I'll find out if the concept has much go in it, it should I think as the women will likely be motivated to looking at other possibilities than those that exist at present but we shall see.
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I have never searched for a UW, yet post here far more regularly than CB.[/b]
Perhaps he dates locally. Like 99.99% of men.
As for the war, people can have no particular affinity for a country, yet understand an unjust war. I had no particular affinity to South Africa, but recognized the perversity and unjustness of apartheid.
If you were searching for a UW it would mean you're a lesbian or at least bi-sexual lol.
You are different as you have a family background in Ukraine CB does not. I have no problem with CB posting on here it's fine for him to do so and his post updates on the war in Ukraine are great. I just can't understand why he does so then denounce having any affinity to Ukraine or it's people it's just perculiar. Same as him taking such offense at attempting to being scammed not wanting to bother again but then sending large donations of money out that way as it sounds. Added to that him then not wanting to meet up with some UW that want to thank him personally for his generosity who probably are legit.
If he dated locally he would have stuff to say about it on here surely. I just wonder if he is altogether enough or feels he has been burned by the women he has been with & met that he no longer wishes to bother.
People can feel a war is unjust but it is after all their war. Even if I got with a UW it would still be so in my mind. My life is my life so I decide what I want it to be as far as possible I don't get involved in the wars of others and that includes the government of the country I was born in/live in. I've seen it from those with a UW that they go out to Ukraine thinking the war is personal to them as they are with a UW, some have come to grief, that young aid worker guy of the two that had it, others have gotten lucky such as the volunteer 'dubbed mercenary' soldier guy who was in Mariupol. I know better than to get drawn into other people's wars and decide instead where I want to be.
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The problem with dating in the UK and most likely the rest of the western world is this: That setting up career goals for women has messed up the relationship equilibrium.
It's basically caused a lot of imbalance in relationships and dating, how women look at men. Could I get a girlfriend in the UK, sure I can but not one that I would want. I have never in my life gone for or accepted the attention of a girl who would date me if I didn't feel I wanted to be with her. Some men may date any women if there is not one they want to be with out of desperation. To me that is throwing want you want away and living a life with someone that you don't really want to be with and don't feel great about.
Some guys will do that just to fulfill the having a family criteria of their lives even if it's not that near the ideal of what they had hoped for.
I just can't do that. I can't get with a girl I feel is unattractive to me, one that is significantly overweight, one that I find boring, one that has real bad character traits, one that is basically a low quality woman.
Yet the messing up of the gender balance turfs all those women up for me while the women I do want that are really on my level think they are too good for me. During speed dating for example women that were a similar career level to me and the other guys there weren't interested in me or them but some gangly looking aging dude who had his own business. They won't accept guys their level but want a guy a good level or two above them. So them going after careers has messed up dating for so many guys in the west. Women tie the guy they want to their career level plus one career level up or more. Back when they didn't have 'careers' they were happy for a guy that just did well for himself in a reasonable everyday job and could hold that job down.
In theory growing up I should have been quite desirable to the decent girls who lived locally. I lived in a fairly wealthy I guess around middle class area, my family owned the house we lived in outright and it was backing onto a park. I myself was/am of tall build, full head of hair and generally calm personality. Problem was all the career stuff was aimed at certainly middle class girls and they were brought into competition with me if anything.
This was all going down around the early to mid nineties. Had it been known what was going down and the disaster it brings a better position to be in would have been this. Had my family sold that house and moved to a nice big newly built house at the edge of a working class area - there were ones that had just been built around that time I think. All the working class girls many of which would have been less career minded back then I'm pretty certain would have gone for me. I would have been seen as very well off compared to them and at the top of the tree as they knew it in their area, accessible and a no brainer for them. I would have had the pick of the better working class girls and would have been easy times :)
A lot of the dynamics like that though I wasn't really aware of and probably not my family either, possibly my father a bit maybe. Even if we had done that I would have probably thought the women after me was down to me lol. That's the thing though it shows how badly skewed the dating situation has become because of women competing with men going for careers. Women crank their neck up to the sky point upwards and want someone 'way up there'. So unless you position yourself in such a situation in the west if not in wealth then with genetics of being good socially (extrovert) or above average in looks then you ain't got much of a chance.
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The problem with dating in the UK and most likely the rest of the western world is this: That setting up career goals for women has messed up the relationship equilibrium.
ROFL. This is the musing of a man who wants control.
No, that's not the problem. The problem is that society has not made it easy to raise a family.
It's basically caused a lot of imbalance in relationships and dating, how women look at men. Could I get a girlfriend in the UK, sure I can but not one that I would want. I have never in my life gone for or accepted the attention of a girl who would date me if I didn't feel I wanted to be with her. Some men may date any women if there is not one they want to be with out of desperation. To me that is throwing want you want away and living a life with someone that you don't really want to be with and don't feel great about.
You can't because of you. It's not women. It's not society.
Some guys will do that just to fulfill the having a family criteria of their lives even if it's not that near the ideal of what they had hoped for.
I just can't do that. I can't get with a girl I feel is unattractive to me, one that is significantly overweight, one that I find boring, one that has real bad character traits, one that is basically a low quality woman.
So what makes you a "high quality" man?
Yet the messing up of the gender balance turfs all those women up for me while the women I do want that are really on my level think they are too good for me. During speed dating for example women that were a similar career level to me and the other guys there weren't interested in me or them but some gangly looking aging dude who had his own business. They won't accept guys their level but want a guy a good level or two above them. So them going after careers has messed up dating for so many guys in the west. Women tie the guy they want to their career level plus one career level up or more. Back when they didn't have 'careers' they were happy for a guy that just did well for himself in a reasonable everyday job and could hold that job down.
That is anecdotal, at best.
It's not about "gender balance". It is about you not wanting to meet an equal.
In theory growing up I should have been quite desirable to the decent girls who lived locally. I lived in a fairly wealthy I guess around middle class area, my family owned the house we lived in outright and it was backing onto a park. I myself was/am of tall build, full head of hair and generally calm personality. Problem was all the career stuff was aimed at certainly middle class girls and they were brought into competition with me if anything.
Or perhaps women understood your toxic views of gender, and steered clear for that reason.
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ROFL. This is the musing of a man who wants control.
No, that's not the problem. The problem is that society has not made it easy to raise a family.
You can't because of you. It's not women. It's not society.
So what makes you a "high quality" man?
That is anecdotal, at best.
It's not about "gender balance". It is about you not wanting to meet an equal.
Or perhaps women understood your toxic views of gender, and steered clear for that reason.
Nope you're mistaken, back in my late teens/early twenties I couldn't care less if women wanted to work, I saw no issue with it. I still couldn't care less now but I now see the issues with it so I no longer see it as desirable. Back in my teens greeting women going for careers en-masse had just really kicked off so issues with it were not apparent, no downsides were foreseen by most and many thought it would be only all positive. Now problems are very much apparent at least to those with their eyes wide open and something ticking around up top.
On the equality issue I would say 'equal but different'. The traditional male/female dynamic was roughly equal but women got hoodwinked into wanting more - greed. Partly the state was pulling the strings through socialisation in schools so they are not entirely to blame, they got told to go do careers and were led like a donkey. They should have just found a guy to get them pregnant, the guys wouldn't have minded but they accepted bs arguments as to why they should hold off and go for careers.
To some extent I do have some aspects of a high quality man, I come from a reasonably well off family living in one of the wealthiest parts of the country. It's marrying that up with what I can get and let's face it not even men really want to be undersold when it comes to what they should get fir who they are rather than the poor offering which appear instead.
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To some extent I do have some aspects of a high quality man, I come from a reasonably well off family living in one of the wealthiest parts of the country. It's marrying that up with what I can get and let's face it not even men really want to be undersold when it comes to what they should get fir who they are rather than the poor offering which appear instead.
I am lucky, having grown up in abject poverty.
Everything was then 'up' for me.
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Ok I think I understand. Neither you nor your son has any affinity to Ukraine, it's people or women. Yet you post on here fanatically about how they are thumping the Russians. You no longer are searching for a Ukrainian woman after one tried to scam you yet you still post on here regularly. As a fellow Brexiteer I don't mind I'll let you off that one even though it makes no sense.
So what are you doing for women CB? Surely you are not eeking out a life without one?
If you are why not give the FSU another go? They are not all scammers there you just got unlucky possibly using the wrong site, agency or just got unlucky with a girl.
If you're single and unattached why not get out there for a bit of fun? Ukraine is dependent on how you feel about that one with the war but Moldova is still a nice easy bet. Spring & Summer is coming up so in a few weeks it'll lovely warm weather out there and good for enjoying the hospitality of a good woman. A great time to get out of the old man's arm chair banging away on here and enjoy good times out there.
Are you the type of guy that gives up at the first hiccup CB? That's not the military way surely. The scammer issue is random, over time you'll catch on earlier usually to a scammer without paranoia dogging you, well most of the time at least mistakes can happen if course. Main thing was that you didn't give into her and moved on. The big mistake I think though was leaving with your tail between your legs too frightened to try again for fear of the same. Most of the girls I've met and the ones I've spoken to online have been sincere enough as in not scammers. You got an unlucky start at this game but don't let that put you off get yourself on Fdate or wherever now to set up a meet or even with one of those women that wanted to thank you personally ;)
Thanks for the advise Trench..but i'm in a relationship with a lady from Serbia.
As for why i post on here hoping Ukraine will thump Russia..it's because i have a strong sense of right from wrong..
Do you think all the millions of people posting on social media and rooting for Ukraine are all looking for a relationship with a Ukrainian ?
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqPwB14XwAQq8rw?format=jpg&name=small)
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That's the funny thing if I go to the FSU all of a sudden I move into the 'eligible men' category.
A 3 hour flight which is nothing really transforms me into a big fish better than most of the
local guys when really I'm much the same as them in my home country lol.
You aren't a pasty skinned, not fat but flabby, horsey faced, uncircumcised Brit, who showers
no more than 3 times a week, with low self esteem and confidence? Who has a job that pays
half of what it would elsewhere and nearly zero social skills, no ambition or any measurable
previous experience with women?
Back home I could mostly only get a girl who is one I don't want.
Assuming that I was correct with more than half of the characteristics above you need to
radically change your life, situation and outlook if you hope to pull this off, I am not optimistic.
With a lot of Ukrainian female refugees crossing the border into Poland but also Moldova it could be a gold mine after all Moldova is(was?) even poorer than Ukraine so the female Ukrainian refugees their will have about the same pool of guys to house from, if not worse than they did in Ukraine. All the while potentially losing the guys they may have been with from Ukraine at the front.
You are seeking out a desperate woman. The problem with desperate women is that they act
desperately. As soon as their situation returns to norm, they revert to norm as well. You are
mostly a Dumb @ss. You need to stop framing yourself as a catch and start sifting through
vast, vast numbers of women to find JUST ONE who will love your pathetic @ss.
You need to find a good girl who likes you at least as much as you like her and win her heart.
All other plans for you will fail. You have far too little ambition to improve yourself, so improve
your strategy and tactics.
NOTE: There are approximately 1,840,000 women in Moldova. Some are too young or too old
or already married. Trench your pool has many limitations.
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. . . showers no more than 3 times a week . . .
Is that a good or bad attribute for the environmentally aware ?
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Speaking of shrinkage . . . who remembers the Seinfeld episode where woman happens to see George naked after he had been in cold ocean ?
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Speaking of shrinkage . . . who remembers the Seinfeld episode where woman happens to see George naked after he had been in cold ocean ?
http://youtu.be/PweEux3IxQE
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Is that a good or bad attribute for the environmentally aware ?
It's a bad attribute if you want to get a blowjob in this life time
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You aren't a pasty skinned, not fat but flabby, horsey faced, uncircumcised Brit, who showers
no more than 3 times a week, with low self esteem and confidence? Who has a job that pays
half of what it would elsewhere and nearly zero social skills, no ambition or any measurable
previous experience with women?
Assuming that I was correct with more than half of the characteristics above you need to
radically change your life, situation and outlook if you hope to pull this off, I am not optimistic.
You are seeking out a desperate woman. The problem with desperate women is that they act
desperately. As soon as their situation returns to norm, they revert to norm as well. You are
mostly a Dumb @ss. You need to stop framing yourself as a catch and start sifting through
vast, vast numbers of women to find JUST ONE who will love your pathetic @ss.
You need to find a good girl who likes you at least as much as you like her and win her heart.
All other plans for you will fail. You have far too little ambition to improve yourself, so improve
your strategy and tactics.
NOTE: There are approximately 1,840,000 women in Moldova. Some are too young or too old
or already married. Trench your pool has many limitations.
I would beg to differ with you Beel but your description is bang on lol. It's like you're sitting in the same room as me!
I'm not sure why I need to be circumcised, some guys have ended up horribly disfigured down there having to cope with constant unbearable daily pain from the op. Some even call the practice barbaric. I see no advantage to it I've never had a problem with too much foreskin, etc.
Well, lost 1KG this weekend, fat content still much the same but that's where my new weight training exercise regime kicks in, started on that today.
Ambition I do very much have, it's not a boring ass I want to get one rung above my present position on the career ladder ambition that I would find just tedium. It's there I work on stuff but I generally keep it quiet as I'm no loudmouth on that stuff. To outsiders it may look like I don't have ambition though but it can be disadvantages to let everyone know what you are up to. The UK is not like the US, in the UK of someone hears you want to get somewhere or have any go in you they take joy and pleasure on pissing on your flame so it's best they don't know.
Desperate women? This is where you will notice how much I've learn on FSU dating Beel. The best way to keep a desperate woman is to keep her desperate ;D That is best done in the FSU where she can be reminded daily what she may face if she falls out of favour ;)
Moldova may not be a big country but it's only one big city I really need and Chișinău should do. I could go to a larger country but per acre the population will be much the same. I'm pretty sure I can get the women up in Chișinău. I'll be going this April if only to silence the nay sayers bleating on in here.
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Thanks for the advise Trench..but i'm in a relationship with a lady from Serbia.
As for why i post on here hoping Ukraine will thump Russia..it's because i have a strong sense of right from wrong..
Do you think all the millions of people posting on social media and rooting for Ukraine are all looking for a relationship with a Ukrainian ?
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqPwB14XwAQq8rw?format=jpg&name=small)
You know Serbia as a country tend to be a supporter of Russia. Anyhow, a girl in Serbia, it's not a pretend one I hope like our Bee Farmuh ;D Well tell all, Admin wants to hear all the juicy love stories rather than politics apparently.
I'm still not sure I am convinced as to your argument for non involvement in Ukraine. You have a strong sense of right and wrong so support Ukraine but mainly with typing stuff on the internet in your arm chair. Your sense of right & wrong is so strong but you won't go their to fight or even do aid within Ukraine? Meanwhile your son wants to join the UK military but does not wish to fight, hmmnn... I can see why the everyday UK civilian had to step in and save this country in both WWI and WWII from the regular British Army fleeing for their lives from the Germans in the early stages of both wars.
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Desperate women? This is where you will notice how much I've learn on FSU dating Beel. The best way to keep a desperate woman is to keep her desperate ;D That is best done in the FSU where she can be reminded daily what she may face if she falls out of favour ;)
You are too fu**ing stupid to understand even the basics of the basics. You haven't learned a damn thing. Stay home and save yourself the embarrassment, please.
I hate to sound so rough but I can't think of another way of putting it so that it's really understood.
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Desperate women? This is where you will notice how much I've learn on FSU dating Beel. The best way to keep a desperate woman is to keep her desperate ;D That is best done in the FSU where she can be reminded daily what she may face if she falls out of favour ;)
Moldova may not be a big country but it's only one big city I really need and Chișinău should do. I could go to a larger country but per acre the population will be much the same. I'm pretty sure I can get the women up in Chișinău. I'll be going this April if only to silence the nay sayers bleating on in here.
Trench, if your feet touch the ground in Chișinău, I think you'll quickly find that you are the one that is desperate. The fantasy will disappear in an instant, and reality will slap you in the face. Poor or not, they're in control as long as you're on their turf.
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You are too fu**ing stupid to understand even the basics of the basics. You haven't learned a damn thing. Stay home and save yourself the embarrassment, please.
I hate to sound so rough but I can't think of another way of putting it so that it's really understood.
^This is why I'm eager to get out there apart from the obvious of getting with a FSW, to make you eat your words mhr7.
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You know Serbia as a country tend to be a supporter of Russia. Anyhow, a girl in Serbia, it's not a pretend one I hope like our Bee Farmuh ;D Well tell all, Admin wants to hear all the juicy love stories rather than politics apparently.
I'm still not sure I am convinced as to your argument for non involvement in Ukraine. You have a strong sense of right and wrong so support Ukraine but mainly with typing stuff on the internet in your arm chair. Your sense of right & wrong is so strong but you won't go their to fight or even do aid within Ukraine? Meanwhile your son wants to join the UK military but does not wish to fight, hmmnn... I can see why the everyday UK civilian had to step in and save this country in both WWI and WWII from the regular British Army fleeing for their lives from the Germans in the early stages of both wars.
Are you stupid ?
If my son is going to join the Military it's because he's willing to fight...it's what the Royal Marines do. :rolleyes:
He is not willing to miss out on getting his Degrees first in order to go and fight.
Unlike you he's smart and has a career plan.Degrees first,Do some years as an Officer in the Military,then come out and have companies queuing up for him.The women already are, with his good looks inherited from his parents,gym-toned muscular body,obvious intelligence and natural charm 8) .
Maybe you're jealous of him ? I suspect you are with your clear obsession over him.
Do you have a Degree ? I suspect you don't, as you come across as a low achiever in life as well as with women.
I also think you're jealous that i have the disposable income to be able to help other people in need..whereas you clearly don't....so keep gnashing your teeth about me and my son.
I can see you easily piss off people ..it comes natural to you.You're argumentative about things you know nothing about,and make yourself look foolish.
The reason you consistently fail with women is because you lack any empathy with people whatsoever....it's very clear from your postings on here.You have a dubious "talent" for rubbing people up the wrong way,which is not conducive for attracting hotties to your aura.
Your comment about civilians having to save this country is true in that our Military was primarily made up of civilian volunteers.
Unlike cowardly you,they signed up en masse to fight the Nazi's rather than leg it to another country to avoid fighting as you would have done.
As for the lady i'm in a relationship with, i met her online through a mutual lady friend .We met in person when she flew to London earlier this year for a photo-shoot.,and of course when she saw me she had the wow factor as women tend to have when they see me in person.The first words out of her mouth,after she'd stopped giggling , were "God you look like a rock star..you have this way about you ".
I will say no more about that 8)
I will be going to Belgrade later this year to spend more time together.
Your comment about Serbia is pertinent in that Serbian people have a reputation of being pro-Russian.
However,Serbia has declared that the Russian annexation of Crimea was illegal and that Crimea is Ukraine.
They have also been supplying Ukraine with distiinctive missiles through a third-party.
I have not mentioned the war with my Serbian girlfriend,but i will casually bring it up on her home turf to see her response.
If she's pro-Putler it WILL be a deal-breaker for me,as i cannot continue a relationship with someone who supports terrorism..no matter how super-hot she is.
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That shows how much you don't know about how women think.
Watch this and pay attention to how she describes the soldier.
I remember that aura of him, of that awe, of that disbelief in daylight, to see someone who fought for our freedom, for our ideals.
And he looked like a god to me.
Just a regular soldier who survived WWII. And to her, he looked like a god.
Backs up what i've been telling Trench..but the failure with women knows better.
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I have not mentioned the war with my Serbian girlfriend,but i will casually bring it up on her home turf to see her response.
If she's pro-Putler it WILL be a deal-breaker for me,as i cannot continue a relationship with someone who supports terrorism..no matter how super-hot she is.
Why are you waiting until you are there to ascertain her stance ?
If she is pro-Putler . . . then what will you do with your remaining time ?
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Are you stupid ?
If my son is going to join the Military it's because he's willing to fight...it's what the Royal Marines do. :rolleyes:
He is not willing to miss out on getting his Degrees first in order to go and fight.
Unlike you he's smart and has a career plan.Degrees first,Do some years as an Officer in the Military,then come out and have companies queuing up for him.The women already are, with his good looks inherited from his parents,gym-toned muscular body,obvious intelligence and natural charm 8) .
Maybe you're jealous of him ? I suspect you are with your clear obsession over him.
Do you have a Degree ? I suspect you don't, as you come across as a low achiever in life as well as with women.
I also think you're jealous that i have the disposable income to be able to help other people in need..whereas you clearly don't....so keep gnashing your teeth about me and my son.
I can see you easily piss off people ..it comes natural to you.You're argumentative about things you know nothing about,and make yourself look foolish.
The reason you consistently fail with women is because you lack any empathy with people whatsoever....it's very clear from your postings on here.You have a dubious "talent" for rubbing people up the wrong way,which is not conducive for attracting hotties to your aura.
Your comment about civilians having to save this country is true in that our Military was primarily made up of civilian volunteers.
Unlike cowardly you,they signed up en masse to fight the Nazi's rather than leg it to another country to avoid fighting as you would have done.
As for the lady i'm in a relationship with, i met her online through a mutual lady friend .We met in person when she flew to London earlier this year for a photo-shoot.,and of course when she saw me she had the wow factor as women tend to have when they see me in person.The first words out of her mouth,after she'd stopped giggling , were "God you look like a rock star..you have this way about you ".
I will say no more about that 8)
I will be going to Belgrade later this year to spend more time together.
Your comment about Serbia is pertinent in that Serbian people have a reputation of being pro-Russian.
However,Serbia has declared that the Russian annexation of Crimea was illegal and that Crimea is Ukraine.
They have also been supplying Ukraine with distiinctive missiles through a third-party.
I have not mentioned the war with my Serbian girlfriend,but i will casually bring it up on her home turf to see her response.
If she's pro-Putler it WILL be a deal-breaker for me,as i cannot continue a relationship with someone who supports terrorism..no matter how super-hot she is.
You've got to be joking don't you, almost half the country go to uni & get degrees these days, about 44 percent of school leavers I recall the figure being. Degrees are nothing special these days as so many people have them. I myself have two separate undergraduate degrees, one in History and another in Architecture, on top of that I have a MA in History.
For most University stuff unless you're pretty unique and can do something most people can't you're going to be swamped with competition in most stuff you go for. Whatever one man can do the next can be trained to do likewise. If someone is highly talented in Maths or Science for example to a level others can't attain in a freak of nature almost Einstein like way and their is an absolute top level position few or no one else can do then they can potentially do really well and earn good money.
Everything else consider yourself swamped. So your son might well find himself swamped out with other applicants when he applies to be an Officer as there is good money in it. Not to say he couldn't get in and do well for himself but anything good money wise normally has a lot of people after it. In a UK where so many people have degrees I'm guessing quite a lot are going to go for Officer Army stuff year in year out, and just how Officers do they need each year? They're not retiring or jacking it in that quickly especially on good pay. Perhaps a spot of love action in Ukraine might boost his CV? Might come back a real life hero as you say.
As for me I decided a while ago that chasing careers battling it out with everyone else being beat down to the lowest denominator lacked common sense. We now have a situation where we have an oversupply of cheap skilled labour in this country because of so many people getting degrees, not helped by all the East European immigration from when we were a part of the EU. So I would be doing a harder skilled job for much the same pay as any other job which made no sense to me, I don't care for snobbery so it's all much the same to me. I would rather not be confined by a career job where I wouldn't get the pay off for doing that job which is most of them. Think instead of the freedom of allowing other possibilities than an obsessiveness to a career allows. I'm not there yet, I don't know for sure if I will every be, but the potential is there.
Well, with you're girl I would say think carefully about whether the Ukraine war is really all that important to you? You don't want to go fight or volunteer as an aid worker so why break a relationship with a hot girl over it? All wars eventually come and go and people move on and that war usually becomes more insignificant as time passes. As said it's not really your war so make anything of it. As you seem to be aware disagreements particularly early on can screw up a relationship, so why bring it up or get hung up on it? Actual model looking chicks are normally hard enough to hold onto.
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Desperate women? This is where you will notice how much I've learn on FSU dating Beel. The best way to keep a desperate woman is to keep her desperate ;D That is best done in the FSU where she can be reminded daily what she may face if she falls out of favour ;)
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This isn't far from the truth. If you go there, I mean live there, her options are exactly what they were plus YOU. When you bring her to your country, her options are virtually limitless. So, I keep mine chained up in the shed next to the EX in the freezer. Seems to work. :devil: :devil:
Do a forum search for Scottincrimea or scottncrimea... something like that. According to him, they were the perfect couple while living together in Simferopol. Then, on to the USA and... the sordid tale of woe begins...
I hated that for him because he seemed to be a great guy. The moral of this is, Don't be Scott. Stay in Crimea! hahaha
Anyway, there are many things you can do to increase your physical attractiveness, you listed some above, as well as your aura/presence/whateverthehellthatis... -- many of those physical changes will also increase your presence due to the confidence boost.
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This isn't far from the truth. If you go there, I mean live there, her options are exactly what they were plus YOU. When you bring her to your country, her options are virtually limitless. So, I keep mine chained up in the shed next to the EX in the freezer. Seems to work. :devil: :devil:
Do a forum search for Scottincrimea or scottncrimea... something like that. According to him, they were the perfect couple while living together in Simferopol. Then, on to the USA and... the sordid tale of woe begins...
I hated that for him because he seemed to be a great guy. The moral of this is, Don't be Scott. Stay in Crimea! hahaha
Anyway, there are many things you can do to increase your physical attractiveness, you listed some above, as well as your aura/presence/whateverthehellthatis... -- many of those physical changes will also increase your presence due to the confidence boost.
Exactly, I came to realise a couple of years or so ago that bringing a FSW back to the UK (the West) would be a real viper's pit. Even an everyday looking girl with a reasonable figure guys would be taking a crack at here, a pretty girl and they would be all over her, I wouldn't be able to leave her side for one second. As you rightly say their options become limitless and then their are the societal differences on top.
Thanks for mentioning scottincrimea, I searched and found the divorce thread that he did:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9209.0
Just read his first few posts so far, turns out societal issues were screwing him over, once she was in the US she saw that other women (FSW & otherwise) had expensive cars etc and she thought she should be entitled to that too and that Scott was a bad husband as he couldn't provide that. So by taking her into a land where luxury items were commonplace their expectations were raised to expect those items. Had he kept her in Crimea as you say her expectations wouldn't have been raised to that level.
I haven't read nearly enough on Scott's thread(s) first time I've heard of him on this forum. My initial thoughts are though that he probably had a wife who was prone to materialist urges from the get go but these were contained when she was in Crimea along with her expectations. I think Scott quickly lost control of the situation by first taking her out of Crimes into a society that would quickly corrupt her and second by being too nice/too generous in being too agreeable to her whims & wishes. I think that likely made him a walk over and that may have been a fault from the get go. From my own experience of thinking being nice and agreeable to a FSW I learnt that can be a quick slippery slope downhill. Give into her demands and she'll want more and more and take advantage until all respect is lost and the relationship is screwed.
The problem of the wife having loyalty to get daughter and so not to him is evident also.
Were Scott to have a replay with a similar such woman but handle it differently, stay in her FSU country, be more self centred in what he wanted, etc I think it could of stood a better chance of it lasting.
Haven't read all the thread but seems her bad behaviour becoming dominant was an issue here. Of course she was in a land where she had plenty of options of other men so don't know if that was any factor. That's kind of the issue that it could be either other guys and/or society that does the relationship in other than those involved of course in the West.That's a whole huge heap of everyday dangers to a relationship that the relationship is being exposed to. Probably why divorce rates are so high among FSU relationship in the West about 80 percent divorce rate apparently. Better to be at/near the top of the tree and have her on a leash in a FSU country than risk screwing up a good thing by taking her to the West I reckon.
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Women are extremely loyal - - to their emotions. If she's in love with you, she'll move mountains for you, if she isn't then she'll move mountains to justify crappy behavior that is aligned with her emotions.
I think it's safe to assert she neither loved nor respected Scott. He was a better *option* (not her prize) at the time but fell out of favor as soon as other options became present.
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The point being, this is exactly the kind of ridiculocrity that happens, whether more or less dramatic, when a woman settles for you.
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Women are extremely loyal - - to their emotions. If she's in love with you, she'll move mountains for you, if she isn't then she'll move mountains to justify crappy behavior that is aligned with her emotions.
I think it's safe to assert she neither loved nor respected Scott. He was a better *option* (not her prize) at the time but fell out of favor as soon as other options became present.
Yeah I get it as you say going down the route of a woman that settles for you is not a good place to be I see that now. I appreciate you showing me this Daveman you're a good guy :)
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As I recall, Scott was corresponding with a woman, but in the end, her (more physically attractive) friend horned in and that is who Scott ending up marrying. It seemed to me, from his story, that his wife always wanted to be with him because she wanted to move abroad. From most of what he posted, it seemed to me she was never in love with him. krimster criticized him for not working to support his wife, but I believe the issues were deeper than that. The cracks just became clearer once he refused to support her to a "standard" level once they were in the US. She likely would have tired of him in Ukraine as well. She didn't "settle". She was always in charge, played the long game, and won. Had he refused to take her to America, she likely would have left him. Her behaviour was no more crappy than his. But because he had a blue passport and a few shekels more than her, he was completely justified in what he did, right?
The point is, his story is not instructional beyond don't marry someone who doesn't love you to the depths of their soul. Of course, that means most marriages won't occur.
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Exactly, I came to realise a couple of years or so ago that bringing a FSW back to the UK (the West) would be a real viper's pit. Even an everyday looking girl with a reasonable figure guys would be taking a crack at here, a pretty girl and they would be all over her, I wouldn't be able to leave her side for one second. As you rightly say their options become limitless and then their are the societal differences on top.
Thanks for mentioning scottincrimea, I searched and found the divorce thread that he did:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9209.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9209.0)
Just read his first few posts so far, turns out societal issues were screwing him over, once she was in the US she saw that other women (FSW & otherwise) had expensive cars etc and she thought she should be entitled to that too and that Scott was a bad husband as he couldn't provide that. So by taking her into a land where luxury items were commonplace their expectations were raised to expect those items. Had he kept her in Crimea as you say her expectations wouldn't have been raised to that level.
I haven't read nearly enough on Scott's thread(s) first time I've heard of him on this forum. My initial thoughts are though that he probably had a wife who was prone to materialist urges from the get go but these were contained when she was in Crimea along with her expectations. I think Scott quickly lost control of the situation by first taking her out of Crimes into a society that would quickly corrupt her and second by being too nice/too generous in being too agreeable to her whims & wishes. I think that likely made him a walk over and that may have been a fault from the get go. From my own experience of thinking being nice and agreeable to a FSW I learnt that can be a quick slippery slope downhill. Give into her demands and she'll want more and more and take advantage until all respect is lost and the relationship is screwed.
The problem of the wife having loyalty to get daughter and so not to him is evident also.
Were Scott to have a replay with a similar such woman but handle it differently, stay in her FSU country, be more self centred in what he wanted, etc I think it could of stood a better chance of it lasting.
Haven't read all the thread but seems her bad behaviour becoming dominant was an issue here. Of course she was in a land where she had plenty of options of other men so don't know if that was any factor. That's kind of the issue that it could be either other guys and/or society that does the relationship in other than those involved of course in the West.That's a whole huge heap of everyday dangers to a relationship that the relationship is being exposed to. Probably why divorce rates are so high among FSU relationship in the West about 80 percent divorce rate apparently. Better to be at/near the top of the tree and have her on a leash in a FSU country than risk screwing up a good thing by taking her to the West I reckon.
Sure. Go ahead and justify your insanely controlling tendencies, borne of insecurity. "She would have stayed with him indefinitely in Ukraine because "she had no other choice"". You are mistaken. She would have left him there as well. That's the flaw in your "planning" to leash a woman (what a disgusting image). In fact, women are more likely to dump you there because they have support around them. Relationships based on love and mutual respect are not exposed to "everyday dangers". Relationships built in sand are. My prediction is that with your mentality, no relationship you have in Ukraine will succeed. I wish you well, but you are your own worst enemy. I just hope that whatever poor woman you sink your fangs into is not a homo Sovieticus, because you could just as easily end up being hit in the head and left on a street to die, than just being thrown out of your apartment.
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Of course it's instructional on every single point I've been making. So is just about every other train wreck of a story here.
Yes, if she aint in love with you.. Don't marry her. If that means most marriages would not occur then that is best. Period. End of story. Attraction of at least 7,or get away from her. Don't settle for a woman who settles for you. Women are women. They don't magically change via passport.
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The "instruction" Trenchcoat took from you is "Don't import her. Keep her in her home country, where you can control her." Nothing about love, or mutual respect, or building a life together.
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That "instruction" would certainly assist the longevity of some if not most of these marriages. If Trench moved there he would have a much higher chance of findng a woman who is highly attracted, is mostly compatible, and could genuinely fall in love with him if he didn't screw it up. Then moving wouldn't matter.
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Definitely a legendary tale of warning.
Ok, just refreshed my memory a bit. Um, yeah, shes a first ballot Hall of Fame piece of crap of a woman.
Scott chose her...
Don't be like Scott.
Scott chose to marry her with red flags galore.
Don't be like Scott.
Scott chose to import a walking bag of crap to the USA.
Don't be like Scott.
Had they remained in Simferopol, she probably would have left him as he aged out, but i doubt before that time. Perhaps, perhaps not.
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. . . as he aged out . . .
Whoa . . . wtf is that . . . ? :-(
Do we men really age out ?
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Whoa . . . wtf is that . . . ? :-(
Do we men really age out ?
You don't... the rest of us normal guys are stuck ...
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I am lucky, having grown up in abject poverty.
Everything was then 'up' for me.
Yeah me too. two brothers and three sisters, living in the Desert in California.
A car with no air conditioning 5 seatbelts for 8 people, which didn't matter
because we didn't wear them anyway. The smallest child in my moms lap,
the second smallest in my lap. Two bedroom house living 7 miles out of
town. All the gold diggers chased wanted a piece of my family money.
A large pointy stick, that's how I fought 'em off.
Blythe California 100 miles from water and ten feet from Hell.
(We were close to water).
(http://www.worldatlas.com/r/w1300-q80/upload/7e/f1/cd/shutterstock-1599602530.jpg)
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Scott chose to marry her with red flags galore.
Don't be like Scott.
You can compromise on looks, education, really anything but not character.
Never compromise on character. Words for Scotts to live by.
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Whoa . . . wtf is that . . . ? :-(
Do we men really age out ?
In my opinion, not unless you marry a youngster, like a twenty year old then
you certainly will. That's why ten year age gap works and twenty plus rarely
does.
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i pushed the envelope a bit with 15 yr gap
but now after almost 25 yr of marriage
I am even happier than I was on my honeymoon (dewds, I coulda had sex with her LOL)
so I live with a stunning Elizabeth Hurley look-a-like
and when she steps outta the shower
my slinky still goes "doing doing doing"
you guys think you had it rough growing up?
my family didn't buy the high-end caviar in the Armenian shops in NYC like everyone thought
it was actually just the roe from some fish from missouri they put in the old empty jars
kids today, have no idea...
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i pushed the envelope a bit with 15 yr gap
I did 13. Most guys that don't have superior social skills shouldn't try to surpass 10.
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Trench, what kinda genuis level idea was it to major in history and then live in your mommy's village in the midlands, quaint though it may well be???
(note if your mom made really good cookies/cake, I'd get it, but English moms SUCK in the kitchen, I KNOW!!!)
this choice guarantees you're gonna be poor and single
after making this choice WTF are you surprised by the outcome?
I used to work w/ you Brits in Cambridge, engineers were making 3X your salary, and dewd, didja see all the wimmin in Cambridge and Oxford? You think I wasn't chasin that, and charmin em with my sweet Virginia accent and cowboy look...
cambridge and oxford down the road were every bit as good as Ukraine as far as the abundance of pretty young things are concerned, AND...AND... THEY ALL freakin speak English!!!!
dawg, girl with standard pronounciation Queen's English whispering in my ear about what she wants to do to me....
my slinky went "doing doing doing"
I'd loved to have captured the look on my face, I'd of made millions on youtube
yes Beel, you right about "skillz"
and this is the core of it
you are your skillz
skillz are things you learned or were taught
skills are more knowledge related
you also need a higher faculty called wisdom
wisdom woulda told scott
that a house divided cannot stand
and that he AND his wife were VERY divided over the issue of Scott working to improve their life style
and he knew this before they left for the USA
the outcome was so OBVIOUS that I WARNED him of it, a year before he left
but as usual my warnings only piss people off
and that's how Scott reacted
scot believed his own delusions
instead of seeing the truth
and that truth was scot's wife didn't think he was pullin his share of the load
and that scot's wife considered him to be her donkey
and ya'll KNOW what happens to donkey's misbehavin' like that
hmmmm hmmmmm, and that's EXACTLY what I told him
this is WHY I ain't gonna tell ya'll 'bout the really, reallyy bad stuff comin down the ulitsa
cuz ya'll get mad like scot
and I don't wanna have to deal with your negative vibrations cuz it throws me off course
lastly, Trench
the secret of life
is to FIND YOUR GIFT
cultivate it, let it grow, reap its harvest
and rest under its shade when you grow old
and that's where ya'll gonna find me
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You can compromise on looks, education, really anything but not character.
Never compromise on character. Words for Scotts to live by.
Yahtzee!
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In my opinion, not unless you marry a youngster, like a twenty year old then
you certainly will. That's why ten year age gap works and twenty plus rarely
does.
I think it's not a clear cut answer though amount of age gap would certainly influence it.
Probably has to do with how.much in love she is with the guy compared/ratioed to how much his aging will inconvenience her (selfishness) ratioed to her perception, delusional or not, of her current market value.
Just a hunch/guess. I'm sure it's formulaic and some insurance company has a precise stastical analysis. :)
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I think it's not a clear cut answer though amount of age gap would certainly influence it.
Probably has to do with how.much in love she is with the guy compared/ratioed to how much his aging will inconvenience her (selfishness) ratioed to her perception, delusional or not, of her current market value.
Just a hunch/guess. I'm sure it's formulaic and some insurance company has a precise stastical analysis. :)
It's definitely not clear cut, that's why I used 10 years as a rule of thumb for a guy who is
relatively socially skilled. A guy like myself who is tall, handsome, socially skilled and gets
the girl to fall head over hills in love can press his rule of thumb a bit.
Guys like the OP, need to subtract from the 10 years. Maybe a 2 or 3 year difference would
be his max. He won't do that of course so he will fail. This was never going to work for him,
his countless false assumptions, nutball theories, confidence level, lack of experience, and
inability to self assess.
Warning Story alert!!
Warning Story alert!!
Warning Story alert!!
This is where I tell a long only somewhat related story about an event from the past.
This is where I tell a long only somewhat related story about an event from the past.
This is where I tell a long only somewhat related story about an event from the past.
If you are still reading, you've been warned and any complaining about me waxing
historically will be met with deaf ears and stone cold indifference to your plight.
There was a guy from a different forum, his so called girl friend locked him in his apartment
(for his safety) and disappeared on New Years eve. She came back the next day let him out
telling him that she was called back to work (ON NEW YEARS EVE IN THE FSU) and was
unavailable until noon or so finally letting him out on New Years day.
Myself and others got the guy into a chatroom while he was still in the FSU and attempted
to stage an intervention. It didn't work, the guy could not see that things were not moving
along swimmingly even though she NEVER, EVER had sex with him. He ignore all our
dire warnings and wasted the next weeks with her. The religious girl (who never attended
services) waved good bye to him with her virtue still intact as the day that he arrived.
The guy was not socially skilled and didn't follow anyone's advice.
What's the lesson here? Many guys are not suited to pursuing FSUW. This is not for entry
level daters. Most guys will fail.
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It's definitely not clear cut, that's why I used 10 years as a rule of thumb for a guy who is
relatively socially skilled. A guy like myself who is tall, handsome, socially skilled and gets
the girl to fall head over hills in love can press his rule of thumb a bit.
Guys like the OP, need to subtract from the 10 years. Maybe a 2 or 3 year difference would
be his max. He won't do that of course so he will fail. This was never going to work for him,
his countless false assumptions, nutball theories, confidence level, lack of experience, and
inability to self assess.
Exactly this. I think any guy can learn to be a dating/women fall in love master - shooting.. Er.... With those women clearly in his barrel. Guys like you and others have waaaaay more fish in the barrel. And, when you are highly atrractive to a specific woman, you can push and break more rules more more often than guys with fewer options.
I have no idea whether anyone here will ve successful, but at least the info is here if the want to learn how to get the great girl. What they do after that is up to them, but getting thw girl is so easy it's shooting fish in a barrel.
Warning Story alert!!
Warning Story alert!!
Warning Story alert!!
This is where I tell a long only somewhat related story about an event from the past.
This is where I tell a long only somewhat related story about an event from the past.
This is where I tell a long only somewhat related story about an event from the past.
If you are still reading, you've been warned and any complaining about me waxing
historically will be met with deaf ears and stone cold indifference to your plight.
There was a guy from a different forum, his so called girl friend locked him in his apartment
(for his safety) and disappeared on New Years eve. She came back the next day let him out
telling him that she was called back to work (ON NEW YEARS EVE IN THE FSU) and was
unavailable until noon or so finally letting him out on New Years day.
Myself and others got the guy into a chatroom while he was still in the FSU and attempted
to stage an intervention. It didn't work, the guy could not see that things were not moving
along swimmingly even though she NEVER, EVER had sex with him. He ignore all our
dire warnings and wasted the next weeks with her. The religious girl (who never attended
services) waved good bye to him with her virtue still intact as the day that he arrived.
The guy was not socially skilled and didn't follow anyone's advice.
What's the lesson here? Many guys are not suited to pursuing FSUW. This is not for entry
level daters. Most guys will fail.
There is a story here as well about a guy who either got locked in his apartment or the ladywanted to. Not on NYE though. What and idiot. Some guys are indeed cluelessly self sabotaging to a retarded level.
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the psychology of value
supply/demand ratio determines value
wanna raise your value, go some place with a short supply of your "phenotype"...
no matter what kinda "goober" you are, there are places in the world where you'll stand out because of the contrast between you and the locals
and I ain't talkin about somalia, but Uzbekistan for example, or costa rica
in both places I've met beautiful women who were super happy to do whatever favor I asked of them
WHY? because I am unique foreigner in a world of sameness to them and "different" ALWAYS captures someone's attention for better of for worse
once I get and keep their attention, I know how to give a woman good vibes by using sincere flattery and appreciation which in these cultures is also really rare for women to encounter
and aftr awhile, when she let's down her defenses, it's not all she's gonna let down...
nudge...nudge...wink...wink...
if you white boyz from Anglo Saxon land goto a non-anglo saxon land
your brand has some cache in most places
latin and uzbeck kultur is very fleible for anglos
you re treated deferentially, especially in smaller places, and especially if you have an outgoing personality with a lot of interests that you could share with a woman
to them you would be a really unique person, if you had all the right qualities on top of being a blanco diablo
what's cool...
if you get into aggressive beefs with the local males, the wimmin will be on your side and will be all protective towards you
I LOVE that!!!!
it makes me want to snuggle in between their breasts, it feels SO NICE, so safe.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Even in Scandinavian countries like Denmark a dude with brown hair can still stand out from all the blonds. Likely not as much as it used to be decades ago due to influx of migrants but there is still a high amount of blondes in Scandinavian countries my guess would still be predominant. When I was in Denmark a decade or so ago I got some looks of interest from the local blonde girls, not saying it would necessarily translate into a relationship but I guess even though there are a fair amount of tourists there guys with brown hair are more of a scarcity whereas elsewhere in the world they are more the norm.
Age gap I think can be a bit of a random issue. A lot of guys I think hear someone say it's possible to get into a relationship with a girl twenty years younger in the FSU and think it's a goer and start messaging girls online with that age gap or more. I did a bit of that, my impression though is that most girls the world over don't really want an old dude but a few girls the world over may do. There's always the case for the big stag and young girls who are very attracted to that, not necessarily an old rich guy just an older guy who looks like he is in a superior role, established and can handle just about any sh*t in life. I'm not saying they are after grandad but a guy who likely still has some good years ahead of him and can go about stuff confidently.
I think to some girls there is a great draw in getting with an established tree as it were that has already grown and is strong rather than a much younger sapling and waiting, waiting, waiting for it to grow. Most girls don't mind waiting and seeing the growth occur in a guy around their age but sone already want it done already. They want to be able to go to an established older guy and say, 'Can we do this, that, whatever' and him already have a good steer on actioning it rather than a younger guy being unsure on it all or guessing and making many minor mistakes. So I think to a few girls they would rather go for an older guy who has what they see as greater status in society already than a younger guy who doesn't. I don't think such girls are very numerous but I think there are a few around. Really takes being there in person to see a girl's eyes light up in the right way than random messaging of girls on dating sites I feel. Not saying such relationships would be sound but think for a few girls there can be interest in the older guys there. Though maybe that's just my dumb thinking.
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denmark has the best and cheapest food in northern europe, even germans go there to shop...deliciososo
danish and german are pretty similar so I get the gist of danish
Trench, Danamark has a very high minimum wage (one of the terrible evils of socialism)
your income is roughly equal to what an entry-level burger flipper will receive in Copenhagen
so do ya think Danamark is a good place for you to look?
good thing you brexited, cuz for sure they was all gonna leave Danamark and go to the midlands for the sunnier weather and porridge
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denmark has the best and cheapest food in northern europe, even germans go there to shop...deliciososo
danish and german are pretty similar so I get the gist of danish
Trench, Danamark has a very high minimum wage (one of the terrible evils of socialism)
your income is roughly equal to what an entry-level burger flipper will receive in Copenhagen
so do ya think Danamark is a good place for you to look?
good thing you brexited, cuz for sure they was all gonna leave Danamark and go to the midlands for the sunnier weather and porridge
Money is the usual reason people want to migrate to the UK. Denmark may have a higher minimum wage but it also has higher taxation to pay for free state uni education and the rest. Copenhagen is a nice place to live, I went there on holiday once, but it likely has the same issues as the rest of the western world, women competing against men and the dating scene being f*cked as a result. I know, I know, you're a rich guy and girls drop their knickers on sight no matter where you go in the world, but for us everyday mortal beings with as not so great economic situation we don't have that kind of effect.
Problem is western women want to compete against men to greedily get their hands on whatever money they can earn then complain that they're are no good men around - by which they mean wealthy guys. They just don't figure that in competing against men in the workplace and demanding equal pay they are causing their to be fewer of the wealthy guys they want around. They're essentially p*ssing on their own parade then complaining about the results. Decades ago we used to have a similar situation to the FSU has now of men being paid a good third or so more than women. That made most women look up to most men. Now on equal pay women don't look up to many men at all the ones that are equal to them they generally aren't bothered about and if anything see them as competition.
So whether in the UK or Denmark it's much the same deal. That deal only improves once a western guy flies over to the FSU, Russia, Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine (when we could) etc. It kind of pees me off that I was born when I was right on the tip of all that rubbish kicking off here in the west. Basically western governments saying 'hey we have enough people, we don't do many going forward, right let's screw up the dating world and increase productivity through swamping the labour market with women overly eager to grab a few quid for themselves and not realise they are being done over in the process'.
In the UK Budget today, free childcare and before & after school care to get more women into the workplace. Estimated it will get about 1 million women extra into the UK workforce. Another recent example of how UK guys get screwed over by their country. Same all across the western world of course.
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Women have always worked, Trench. My great grandmother, born before the turn of the twentieth century, managed an entire farm. My other great grandmother worked in Boston during the winter months. So your continual harping about women working is sorely misplaced.
The vast majority of WM are married to WW. About 60% of West European women are married. The rest have mostly been married and divorced. The rate is lower in North America, but here, a lot of couples live common law. Your notion that giving women options in the workforce somehow results in less available women is, frankly, ridiculous, and is more about your own insecurities than any reality. Women stil earn 3/4 of what men do, and this is about your own failures, rather than what women do. You are a misogynist, and until you deal with that, any relationship you have, no matter where, is bound to fail. I certainly hope you can find someone, as everyone deserves love and happiness. However, you aren't going to find that, particularly not with an East European woman. They don't put up with cr@p.
Incidentally, after your last diatribe, I looked at fdating for available women in the UK. Most of them were not overweight, and most were attractive. I assume the same holds for other dating sites. The reality is, the issue is YOU, not the UK, or the "Western world".
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Women have always worked, Trench. My great grandmother, born before the turn of the twentieth century, managed an entire farm. My other great grandmother worked in Boston during the winter months. So your continual harping about women working is sorely misplaced.
The vast majority of WM are married to WW. About 60% of West European women are married. The rest have mostly been married and divorced. The rate is lower in North America, but here, a lot of couples live common law. Your notion that giving women options in the workforce somehow results in less available women is, frankly, ridiculous, and is more about your own insecurities than any reality. Women stil earn 3/4 of what men do, and this is about your own failures, rather than what women do. You are a misogynist, and until you deal with that, any relationship you have, no matter where, is bound to fail. I certainly hope you can find someone, as everyone deserves love and happiness. However, you aren't going to find that, particularly not with an East European woman. They don't put up with cr@p.
Incidentally, after your last diatribe, I looked at fdating for available women in the UK. Most of them were not overweight, and most were attractive. I assume the same holds for other dating sites. The reality is, the issue is YOU, not the UK, or the "Western world".
Yes, women have always worked, mostly, but not as in going out for 'careers' it was more to supplement the man's income, just like in the FSU. The man earned more as he was looked upon as having to provide for a family as a long term commitment. That could end up feeling like slavery after several decades at it, modern women just don't get that.
Fdate in the UK varies, not that may women for the UK on there. Some of those that are, are from the FSU, Ukraine, etc. The women gat seem to be from the UK, sure some are slimmer, not all are fat, some are icebergs being greater in the bottom than at the top so the photos can conceal it a bit. Some UK women just have bad makeup jobs, that's an increasingly common sight in the UK today, girls badly overdoing makeup, literally can't see the person under all the makeup. Fake tans, fake eyelashes, bad way too bright lipstick, all sorts of powers plastered on, etc, etc.
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Wrong. Were teaching and nursing not "careers"?
Women in the FSU open businesses at greater rates than do men. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of women with careers comparable to women in the West.
Sure, in Ukraine and Russia - lands of the duck lips - women don't overdo the make up. :rolleyes:
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Wrong. Were teaching and nursing not "careers"?
Women in the FSU open businesses at greater rates than do men. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of women with careers comparable to women in the West.
Sure, in Ukraine and Russia - lands of the duck lips - women don't overdo the make up. :rolleyes:
Yeah I notice that also lol:
http://fdating.com/profile?id=5066913;
UK women still look far worse on the whole I think though ;D
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Sure, in Ukraine and Russia - lands of the duck lips - women don't overdo the make up. :rolleyes:
I thought the west is the land of carp lips and eastern europe the land of Easter Island forehead models...or something like that.
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the average goober should steer very clear of Russia and Ukraine right now...
but OTOH other FSU states are "very nice" place to allow your gonads to express themselves
but you homeys should learn NOT to act like Russian men bahave (I call 'em "horn dogs")
be an example of an "innocent abroad"
a fun seeker
in all the FSU major cities there's a small university educated english speaking group of wimmin
if you have any kind of artistic or musical talent
this is your ticket to female gazes from this group
they will be on you like flies on you-know-what
some of these exotic eurasian breeds have high cheek bones, light eyes and hair
and the nicest boobs and perfectly toned bodies that you will EVER see ANYWHERE!
and with them, you can say "bitch, make me a sanwhich" and they'll make ya one straight away
haha
just kidding, I always say please first!!
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Though maybe that's just my dumb thinking.
You seem to get caught up in that. Maybe try a bit of doing.
Instead of obsessing over far-off lands, go ask a girl out for a date. Any girl you don't have to pay more than dinner for.
If she says no, fine. Try with another.
When was the last time you asked a girl out?
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You seem to get caught up in that. Maybe try a bit of doing.
Instead of obsessing over far-off lands, go ask a girl out for a date. Any girl you don't have to pay more than dinner for.
If she says no, fine. Try with another.
When was the last time you asked a girl out?
Little point in the West. I need a girl who is 'serious' very few women are serious in the west and those that are serious are fat and/or ugly, past having children, had children and your second fiddle, or are women that don't interest me as they are no joy to be with, bad character traits or possibly just plain boring, etc. In the FSU particularly for a guy my age is the only place to be really.
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More BS. The average age of a first marriage for a woman in the UK is 30.5 years.
In a country of 67 million, you can’t find one single woman. Including among FSUW living there. Lie to yourself if you must, but you’re not fooling anyone here.
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Little point in the West. I need a girl who is 'serious' very few women are serious in the west and those that are serious are fat and/or ugly, past having children, had children and your second fiddle, or are women that don't interest me as they are no joy to be with, bad character traits or possibly just plain boring, etc. In the FSU particularly for a guy my age is the only place to be really.
How do you know all that if you don't even try? Dates are dates, not marriage proposals. You ask a girl out, go have some fun and see what develops or not. Wash, rinse repeat. Works pretty much the same way in any country.
More BS.
Very likely.
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How do you know all that if you don't even try? Dates are dates, not marriage proposals. You ask a girl out, go have some fun and see what develops or not. Wash, rinse repeat. Works pretty much the same way in any country.
Very likely.
It can be very difficult for many guys to get a date in the UK including myself. Getting a date with undesirable women is likely easy enough, I've never wanted to do that as I couldn't stomach the thought of being with fat women or women I find unattractive I would be lying to myself amongst other things. As said women are not serious here about getting into a LTR, it's a if they dain to do so for them. I've been to four speed dating events when I was in my thirties. None of them I had any luck and I later found out not many guys do it's quite common for guys to get no ticks. That is an event that should work like a dream IF the dating world wasn't broken in the West.
I believe most of those girls at Speed Dating were single, weren't just there for entertainment as let's face it they want a partner also, at least in theory. So why weren't they more willing to date the guys? None of them are compelled to marry the guys they might date there. Nearly all the guys seemed reasonable enough guys to me, including myself, so why on earth didn't they date anyone?
To me the answer is obvious they didn't find a guy that was all they wanted there so couldn't be bothered to date any. If they feel they only want a guy but don't need one then they won't want to bother. Rarely if course does anyone match up to a tick box exercise.
For me in the UK Moldova or Ukraine is not a far off foreign land just a three hour flight away. There the dating world still functions and I can do much better so a no brainer for me really.
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Dating is just to go have fun and see if any chemistry develops or to go out again and just have fun if you wanna hang around a bit more together.
So since your speed dates in your 30s, other than one trip IIRC, you haven't even tried to date at all back home. That explains everything.
You want your cake and eat it too, served on a silver platter.
Ain't gonna happen, Trench.
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When was the last time you asked a girl out?
My gal and I were out shopping at construction supply shop yesterday for the house we are renovating. We were tired and hungry so she said we will eat at first place we see.
It was Long John Silvers.
Rediculous prices now. Most restaurants have upped prices much more than needed for any inflation of labor and inputs.
The LJS cost us close to 20 dollars and we even shared a drink.
Previously it would have cost around 12 dollars.
Yesterday we were short of time also and used coupon at Subway for a 12 incher for $5.99.
That was just as filling as the LJS meals.
However, that Subway sandwich had regular price of $11.99. I was very surprised that they were selling it for $5.99 with the coupon.
As clarifying comment, wife has the week off from university teaching for spring break. That's why we are doing a lot of running around at constructions supply places, plus she is doing a ton of cleaning work at the second house. Insists on scrubbing down all the walls and ceilings before we paint. Such a worker !!
We got done (by others) sanding down and refinishing 1400 square feet of oak flooring.
Roofing guys were out yesterday to look and will probably start Monday to replace 3300 square feet of roofing plus replace two skylights, roof exhaust fans, etc.
I meant for this to just be a comment about asking a gal out on date . . . but got carried away with restaurant gouging remarks.
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My gal and I were out shopping at construction supply shop yesterday for the house we are renovating. We were tired and hungry so she said we will eat at first place we see.
It was Long John Silvers.
Rediculous prices now. Most restaurants have upped prices much more than needed for any inflation of labor and inputs.
The LJS cost us close to 20 dollars and we even shared a drink.
Previously it would have cost around 12 dollars.
Yesterday we were short of time also and used coupon at Subway for a 12 incher for $5.99.
That was just as filling as the LJS meals.
However, that Subway sandwich had regular price of $11.99. I was very surprised that they were selling it for $5.99 with the coupon.
As clarifying comment, wife has the week off from university teaching for spring break. That's why we are doing a lot of running around at constructions supply places, plus she is doing a ton of cleaning work at the second house. Insists on scrubbing down all the walls and ceilings before we paint. Such a worker !!
We got done (by others) sanding down and refinishing 1400 square feet of oak flooring.
Roofing guys were out yesterday to look and will probably start Monday to replace 3300 square feet of roofing plus replace two skylights, roof exhaust fans, etc.
I meant for this to just be a comment about asking a gal out on date . . . but got carried away with restaurant gouging remarks.
Yeah wondered where you were going with it ML lol. Maybe get it shifted to your Four Years Wonders thread, would hate for such pertinent information to get lost here.
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Dating is just to go have fun and see if any chemistry develops or to go out again and just have fun if you wanna hang around a bit more together.
So since your speed dates in your 30s, other than one trip IIRC, you haven't even tried to date at all back home. That explains everything.
You want your cake and eat it too, served on a silver platter.
Ain't gonna happen, Trench.
BC, the change in women going after careers has changed everything. Back in the day (up to 1980s) girls would start looking at guys in High School and think ok that guy over there has a bit up top and looks like he could get a good School Leavers job maybe in a Bank as a Bank Clerk from which he may move his way up over time. So they would hold him in good esteem. They were mostly brought up back then to think about family and look for a good guy - one who could get work with reasonable looking work prospects. Back then if a guy had University in his sights then that was something really special as not many guys could get to that level. Such a guy could be quite attractive to girls only being off putting if he was really an oddball.
Now it feels like virtually everyone goes to uni, it's not special anymore. So many people as such are seen as intelligent so intelligence doesn't do it for women nearly as much as it ed to. Unless the guy is near Einstein like and not a complete social freak then there is little bonus to being intelligent for the guy so far as dating is concerned nowadays.
Add to that, that there are now way, way more women at uni than back in the day not just as a whole but also in proportion to men to previous decades of the 80s and before. So you don't think that massive seismic shift in society is going to have some noticeable effect on how women view certain types of men????
As Daveman correctly states that women have to respect men in order for the relationship to work. Those guys that go off and get good school leaver jobs or go to Uni they no longer respect them for what they have, it's widespread that so many people can get that now, almost anyone can go to uni AND to top it all they are at uni or have been and are competing against them in the workplace for the good jobs.
So what do women respect in men some guys/girls are clearly dating that's for sure. If we take away intelligence then we are left with those that are good looking, good social skills, wealthy/good income, possibly good physique, etc. So women are respecting other virtues. Many guys of course don't have those virtues so that leaves many women today dissatisfied and many that would rather not date guys, cue falling birth rates and rising single people in society.
We can see from guys like Krim that being a wealthy guy works among anything else he does. He can turn up as a fairly old guy anyway and young pretty enough girls still fall for him. We can't all be vastly wealthy if course it's just how capitalism works. Some guys who are wealthy hide it as they don't want a girl who they see is only with them for their wealth and forgo dating women.
So the bar is set way high for many guys these days and women won't go near a guy who hasn't passed a certain threshold. There are women that will but those women are usually real turn offs to such guys. Some guys will date down as they would rather accept just about anything in desperation to being lonely single, I understand that but I just can't live a life that is a lie. She doesn't have to be a top model but she does have to be someone I feel that I want to be with.
So yeah some do go out and date for fun and see how each other are like. I think that us more common in the US and more common among the young teen years. Still though women tend to have a base line criteria for even that. It may all just be seen as a fun date situation but the guy has to be seen as datable in her eyes and that usually means fairly decent socially or the guy dropping his standards and be wiling to date just any old chick.
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I mean what I'm saying is back in the day nearly all straight guys had a fair crack at it, now many don't. That's the price of all this uni/careers stuff, it's not all just a one way positive making a societal change like that it affects many areas and done in a very negative way for certain people. It's not just the guts that lose out but the women also, they can't find guys that they are satisfied being with. Remember it's a roughly one man to one female ratio in the west so if there are single guys around there are single women also even if they busy themselves with study & careers. I personally think a lot of cases of obesity in women are down to this dynamic. Junk food has existed for a long time, it was around in the 70s and before. It was not until the late nineties/millennium that women started to get noticeably fatter, not all but many women. My personal view is that many women that saw that they couldn't get a man that would anyway near satisfy them or if they did stayed in a relationship they weren't secretly happy with started over eating/eating badly both for comfort and for filing that void of dissatisfaction. Many probably see no reason to look good for someone they at heart don't really want to be with.
So women wanting to have it all, to have careers comes with a cost. The west is getting a more and more miserable place because if it. Many people living dire lives living lonely sometimes in squalid conditions. I fortunately am not the worst off but my dating life/relationship situation could of course be better. I am just grateful that for the time being at least my life is not so bad in all ways as for some out there it is.
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inflation?
wait until you start looking at how your taxes change after you retire
if you collect a high social security payment, you really aren't allowed to have any "legal" income from other sources before they start taxing your social security...
the way around this is to have unreported rental incomes
or overseas income that you have access to and make small transfers to the usa like through a debit card
new tax laws mean I can't legally sell gold or jewelry I make without considering it as income
so selling my jewelry as family heirlooms at auction ain't gonna work any more
thanks Biden
I suspect the USA will have to reverse course, and start issuing larger denomination notes
despite their appeal to the illegal drug industry (which is switching to bitcoin BTW)
when I was a kid, my uncles did bizness in cash, crisp stacks of series 1934 Federal Reserve 500 dollar bills
with McKinley's picture on it, beautful money it was, not the crap we use now
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Are people even reading this thread before posting :-\
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trench
get over your resentment over being on the bottom
plenty of guys have figured out how to climb out of the hole they found themselves in
why havn't you? what's stopping you?
conditions change, some are favorable and some are not
don't matter
whatever the conditions
you adapt to them
it is better to plan than to react
big changes are comin in the world
it's gonna steamroll right over most of ya
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wait until you start looking at how your taxes change after you retire
if you collect a high social security payment, you really aren't allowed to have any "legal" income from other sources before they start taxing your social security...
the way around this is to have unreported rental incomes
or overseas income that you have access to and make small transfers to the usa like through a debit card
new tax laws mean I can't legally sell gold or jewelry I make without considering it as income
so selling my jewelry as family heirlooms at auction ain't gonna work any more
thanks Biden
I suspect the USA will have to reverse course, and start issuing larger denomination notes
despite their appeal to the illegal drug industry (which is switching to bitcoin BTW)
when I was a kid, my uncles did bizness in cash, crisp series 1934 500 dollar bills
with McKinley's picture on it, beautful money it was, not the crap we use now
Well for what it's worth I've had similar in mind for the UK. Here the Landlord industry is now f*cked for most people who would wish to enter, swamped with regulation, mortgage relief removed, etc, etc. Many Landlords have been selling up but it's still possible to make reasonably easy money renting out rooms in your 'official home' to Lodgers as opposed to assured Tenants. That comes with far less regulation and a £7500 rent allowance before tax, however the personal income of £12500 can be added to that if not using that from employment income. One Landlord online in the UK said a few years back that generally the tax man won't generally know if income is coming in through property moreso a single house so my guess is if rental income went slightly over the allowance here & there in the UK at least it probably wouldn't be a big issue. More than one house could be chancing it but so long as it looks like there is a decent amount of tax allowance it is being set off against I don't reckon the tax man here likely scrutinizes it too much. Go way overboard and get caught and it so not been seen as a very slight oversight then they're likely to take anyone doing such to the cleaners I reckon.
The income from abroad idea I've considered also, like you say Krim is not a bad idea. Have a place abroad where rooms are rented out or Airbnb and put the income into a bank account in that country then either use that money while there or abroad in another country or move in small amounts into home country as needed. Again I don't think the tax man really scrutinizes such small amounts as here in the UK at least they just don't have the time to check into everyone's bank account and ask what this or that small amount of ongoings is, only larger amounts of a considerable sum of many thousands might be scrutinized I reckon. Just my thoughts on it all for the sake of theory of course.
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trench
get over your resentment over being on the bottom
plenty of guys have figured out how to climb out of the hole they found themselves in
why havn't you? what's stopping you?
conditions change, some are favorable and some are not
don't matter
whatever the conditions
you adapt to them
it is better to plan than to react
big changes are comin in the world
it's gonna steamroll right over most of ya
Not exactly on the bottom even dating wise. Dating wise I just choose not to date girls at the bottom. Economically getting your own house in the UK is seen as an accomplishment these days, many end up in the rental trap both singles and couples. So having my own house all paid up for isn't doing bad really in some ways.
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There's an old slavic proverb i just made up... "You gotta kissa hundred lyagushki to get a kissa back."
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hey paisano, thassa good you gotta de house
now figure out a business you can do at home to getcha some more paper with picture of King Charles (ewww on it) how long is Elizabeth currency gonna be in circulation?
if you need capital borrow against house - but ya gotta generate a cash flow to pay off the loan
but after paid off - extra cash flow is yours
this how ya climb up me bruv
step-by-agonizing-step
unless you're smart and take the elevator
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BC, the change in women going after careers has changed everything. Back in the day (up to 1980s) girls would start looking at guys in High School and think ok that guy over there has a bit up top and looks like he could get a good School Leavers job maybe in a Bank as a Bank Clerk from which he may move his way up over time. So they would hold him in good esteem. They were mostly brought up back then to think about family and look for a good guy - one who could get work with reasonable looking work prospects. Back then if a guy had University in his sights then that was something really special as not many guys could get to that level. Such a guy could be quite attractive to girls only being off putting if he was really an oddball.
Now it feels like virtually everyone goes to uni, it's not special anymore. So many people as such are seen as intelligent so intelligence doesn't do it for women nearly as much as it ed to. Unless the guy is near Einstein like and not a complete social freak then there is little bonus to being intelligent for the guy so far as dating is concerned nowadays.
Add to that, that there are now way, way more women at uni than back in the day not just as a whole but also in proportion to men to previous decades of the 80s and before. So you don't think that massive seismic shift in society is going to have some noticeable effect on how women view certain types of men????
As Daveman correctly states that women have to respect men in order for the relationship to work. Those guys that go off and get good school leaver jobs or go to Uni they no longer respect them for what they have, it's widespread that so many people can get that now, almost anyone can go to uni AND to top it all they are at uni or have been and are competing against them in the workplace for the good jobs.
So what do women respect in men some guys/girls are clearly dating that's for sure. If we take away intelligence then we are left with those that are good looking, good social skills, wealthy/good income, possibly good physique, etc. So women are respecting other virtues. Many guys of course don't have those virtues so that leaves many women today dissatisfied and many that would rather not date guys, cue falling birth rates and rising single people in society.
We can see from guys like Krim that being a wealthy guy works among anything else he does. He can turn up as a fairly old guy anyway and young pretty enough girls still fall for him. We can't all be vastly wealthy if course it's just how capitalism works. Some guys who are wealthy hide it as they don't want a girl who they see is only with them for their wealth and forgo dating women.
So the bar is set way high for many guys these days and women won't go near a guy who hasn't passed a certain threshold. There are women that will but those women are usually real turn offs to such guys. Some guys will date down as they would rather accept just about anything in desperation to being lonely single, I understand that but I just can't live a life that is a lie. She doesn't have to be a top model but she does have to be someone I feel that I want to be with.
So yeah some do go out and date for fun and see how each other are like. I think that us more common in the US and more common among the young teen years. Still though women tend to have a base line criteria for even that. It may all just be seen as a fun date situation but the guy has to be seen as datable in her eyes and that usually means fairly decent socially or the guy dropping his standards and be wiling to date just any old chick.
Trench, all this is irrelevant if you aren't even trying at home. You have it all figured out, except yourself. The only advantage you might have in another country is an arranged first date. The rest remains exactly the same. Women in other countries are not standing around in the arrival hall of the airport fighting over every foreign man that gets off the plane. Moldova, Ukraine, or wherever is not like going to the shelter to pick out a dog or cat. Without any experience dating or even being around women, I get the feeling you are just setting yourself up to get caught in a honey trap.
9. Treat international dating the same as dating someone from your home country. The biggest difference
is the cost (travel, phone. etc). This is an expensive process. Don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise.
10. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MAIL-ORDER BRIDE! They do not exist.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2.msg2#msg2
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hey paisano, thassa good you gotta de house
now figure out a business you can do at home to getcha some more paper with picture of King Charles (ewww on it) how long is Elizabeth currency gonna be in circulation?
if you need capital borrow against house - but ya gotta generate a cash flow to pay off the loan
but after paid off - extra cash flow is yours
this how ya climb up me bruv
step-by-agonizing-step
unless you're smart and take the elevator
Agonising steps it may have to be Krim but hopefully I'll get there, better to get there than not I guess. I know wealth doesn't ensure a good life but it may avert a bad one. The Corfu villa idea is one I thought about borrowing capital. With a bit of luck if I can Airbnb it I can get some more income that way. If a bit but not too much tarting up is needed on it then that may help it sell on for a decent price should all not work out. I've got an idea for a business but it's not necessarily a sure thing to make profit, I think it could but with many businesses not everything is a sure thing. The outlay isn't huge so I may give that a go also.
The elevator I have a couple of things in play but they are a long shot and far from certain any chance of coming good, more of a gamble really.
I could likely get the place in Corfu on a bank loan so then no need to go through the mortgage process and have it set against the value of my house. The repayments would be higher but over a shorter period (10 years as opposed to 20, 25 or 30) but should be more than doable with the income I'll have coming in.
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Trench, all this is irrelevant if you aren't even trying at home. You have it all figured out, except yourself. The only advantage you might have in another country is an arranged first date. The rest remains exactly the same. Women in other countries are not standing around in the arrival hall of the airport fighting over every foreign man that gets off the plane. Moldova, Ukraine, or wherever is not like going to the shelter to pick out a dog or cat. Without any experience dating or even being around women, I get the feeling you are just setting yourself up to get caught in a honey trap.
9. Treat international dating the same as dating someone from your home country. The biggest difference
is the cost (travel, phone. etc). This is an expensive process. Don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise.
10. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MAIL-ORDER BRIDE! They do not exist.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2.msg2#msg2
Going out on a date is pretty straight forward. Go out, do something entertaining and try and have a good time. A lot of that can depend on how well you get on with the person you are with and how into you she is as well as random stuff. Either it will be a goer or it won't the way I see it.
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10. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MAIL-ORDER BRIDE! They do not exist.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2.msg2#msg2
Mail-order brides may be found at this link:
http://dollforum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=210
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trench
you should listen to this advice
male/female relationships are harder to understand than your taxes
books ain't gonna help ya
you need first hand experience to get that kinda knowledge
you gotta do your apprenticeship
I lived with lots of women and have huge experience on managing them
but getting a degree in history (where the really BIG MONEY is NOT AT) and living in your home town, were not the best choices, now were they?
cuz as a result of just those choices right there guaranteed you're gonna get less female attention than Bee Farmer
when I worked as an electrical engineer in cambridge as a "gasterbeither"
I could dress "country" bring some good hash I brought in from Amsterdam, and be the center of attention at parties in cambridge or oxford...
and back then, I couldn't even drive a car there, had to take buses and taxis and still had English girls wantin to show me their junk...
In Uzbekistan a variation of this is "going commando" when they come to your apartment, i.e. not wear underware
then they sit provacatively and briefly flash you - just to guage your reaction
ain't none of you goobers ready for that
but this is a very handy time to have a fireplace and an al paca rug
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What do women respect now...?
To begin with: Making her uncontrollably feel something (besides nausea that is :devil: ). Causing her. She won't respect you or have any interest unless she feels it. Just go up to any woman and fire up a conversation.. Then disagree with everything she says.. Not in a mean or argumentative way, but playfully argumentative. Watch her attraction level toward you rise. Try it.. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about and that will be a potential eureka moment. :popcorn:
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Your notion that giving women options in the workforce somehow results in less available women is, frankly, ridiculous, and is more about your own insecurities than any reality.
Actually, the data is quite clear about it, especially among college educated women. It's not that the women are not "available" so much as the pool of men they are willing to date is smaller. So from a single man's point of view, those women are not available.
For instance, women outnumber men in colleges. Yet as a general rule the college educated women all want to marry college educated guys. There's not enough college educated guys for all the girls to get married. So there are single girls...but they are unwilling to date "beneath" them.
Women stil earn 3/4 of what men do,
More BS. Women are often paid more than men for doing the same job when the experience is comparable.
The data gets screwed when men work high risk jobs (that women are unwilling to do) that pay more, or women take several years off to have kids and then re-enter the workforce.
Were teaching and nursing not "careers"?
It depends. Teaching and nursing can be just a job, and not a career.
Women in the FSU open businesses at greater rates than do men. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of women with careers comparable to women in the West.
Is it a career, or is it just a job to them? There is a difference.
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In a country of 67 million, you can’t find one single woman. Including among FSUW living there. Lie to yourself if you must, but you’re not fooling anyone here.
Just because a girl is single doesn't mean she is relationship material.
I can attest to the difficulty of finding local single women in my age range that I consider to be relationship material. I go to a farmers market every Saturday in the summer in a city with over a million people in the metro area. Usually about 2500 people come through every week. These are health conscious people, and it is very rare for me to see a girl that I would take a second look at.
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You seem to get caught up in that. Maybe try a bit of doing.
Instead of obsessing over far-off lands, go ask a girl out for a date. Any girl you don't have to pay more than dinner for.
If she says no, fine. Try with another.
When was the last time you asked a girl out?
Just out of curiosity, how is a guy supposed to find a girl that is relationship material to go out with?
How do you know all that if you don't even try? Dates are dates, not marriage proposals. You ask a girl out, go have some fun and see what develops or not. Wash, rinse repeat. Works pretty much the same way in any country.
Complete BS. Respectable men NEVER do that.
I have never known a single guy who was looking for a serious relationship who asked girls out to go have fun and see what develops.
Every single guy I know who asks girls out, to go have some fun and see what develops were low class scumbags who were only looking for sex. They were NEVER looking for a serious relationship.
If the guys do end up in a "relationship" it's hard to describe it as anything more than a one night stand that happens every night with the same girl - if they do get married, plan on a divorce in the future.
My parents taught me that people should never go out with someone they know they would be unwilling to marry. If you know they are someone you would be unwilling to marry, then don't even waste your time going out with them.
In America, about 80% of women are overweight, obese, or severely obese. Personally, I don't consider that to be relationship material.
Divorced - not relationship material.
Kids - once again, not relationship material.
Tattoos - not relationship material. (and surveys range from 33%-59% of women reporting having a tattoo.)
27% of women in America have a mental illness. (and you can bet more single women are crazy than married.)
That's not even getting into dealbreakers like alcohol or drug use. The number of prior sexual partners has enormous impact on the likelihood of a marriage working out. How good are they at managing money? (A girl may be a lot of fun who spends money like water, but you don't want to marry her.)
It's not about having fun. It's about finding a life partner.
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Just out of curiosity, how is a guy supposed to find a girl that is relationship material to go out with?
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It's not about having fun. It's about finding a life partner.
That cart is before the horse. Unless you have an arranged marriage you're not going to know what kind of material she is or isn't until you date.and sometimes for a while before you find a deal breaker.
Finding a life partner is going to be a process, and of course it's supposed to be fun. You make it sound like a couple of androids asking each other robotic questions until they decide to marry.
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Actually, the data is quite clear about it, especially among college educated women. It's not that the women are not "available" so much as the pool of men they are willing to date is smaller. So from a single man's point of view, those women are not available.
Where is this data?
More BS. Women are often paid more than men for doing the same job when the experience is comparable.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/
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"my parents taught me"
priceless...almost as good as Adam Sandler saying "my mama said" in the movie "Water Boy" that's you Bee Farmer, you hillbillies crack me up
BeeFarmer, you continually show how little you know of the world, and how little of the world you've actually experienced...
all your proclamations are divorced from reality and serve to only illustrate the depth of your VAST ignorance
your anger and resentment against men who are more successful with women than you is also pretty obvious
yeah, sure, the local women are ALL undesirable, that's the problem and not your toxic personality, right?
yeah sure, guys who are highly successful with wimmin are immoral, and since you're "a good boy" you can't be successful with women
sure....sure....
Bee Farmer you have no idea WTF you're talking about, you're just sullen and resentful over your COMPLETE lack of success with the opposite sex
and it's made you neurotic as hell, and you have no shred of self-awareness, cuz if you did you wouldn't post the embarassing crap that you post here
whatever, nature has decided it doesn't want other copies of you
so you're not really gonna have to worry over this subject
for you this subject is of academic interest only and will NEVER be of practical use
and this has nothing at all to do with other people
just you and your toxicity that you don't want to address
I can smell it on you, even through the web it's that damned strong
perfect for replling women
and you're too unaware to ever figure it out, like dewds with really strong body odor who can't smell themselves
you reek of it BeeFarmer
EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING in the world is messed up EXCEPT for you, right BeeFarmer...?
the thought never entered your widdle brain
that the fault is not in how messed up everybody else is
but how MESSED UP YOU ARE!
can't handle that little truth can you?
nope, you can't, so you're gonna blame eveyone and everything else BUT you...
and keep repeating failure over and over with the expectation of future success....
yeah... uhhh hmmmmmmm
none of you single guys are single because of some limitation of others
you're single because of YOUR limitations
since you are so ridiculous
I feel more than a little inclined take this opportunity to properly ridicule you...
thank you - very gratifying!
now step aside, boys, you're in the way of a REAL man, don't wanna see ya get hurt...
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none of you single guys are single because of some limitation of others
you're single because of YOUR limitations
It probably is likely both, stands to reason that those left are either what either sex tends to find undesirable and/or either sex not wishing to settle for less/what they don't want.
Most women for example tend to want guys that are good socially. If a guy isn't a guy who likes to stand around talking all day about precious little then most women will pass over him. The society we're in affects this in a society where bringing money in through work is important to survival a guy who is more work minded that social minded may not appear to be such a bad thing to women out there.
We know that Bee Farmer has a reasonably decent job that he seems to be able to hold down and that he keeps himself busy with his Bees/Farmers Market. So in that regard he is doing ok, but my guess is that while the worst women are left the better women have passed him over because of other attributes that he has that may not appeal to them. Could just be that he is not the type of guy who likes to stand around and talk about not much of substance for long periods. Whatever our thoughts on Bee Farmer I think he is a functioning enough individual so not fatally flawed overall but he's probably still single just down to one unfortunate aspect like the social one that women have a big bug bear over. My thoughts are that if a decent women gave Bee Farmer a go they would probably find him an ok guy to be with but not necessarily what they hoped for socially or in some other way like that.
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Actually, the data is quite clear about it, especially among college educated women. It's not that the women are not "available" so much as the pool of men they are willing to date is smaller. So from a single man's point of view, those women are not available.
For instance, women outnumber men in colleges. Yet as a general rule the college educated women all want to marry college educated guys. There's not enough college educated guys for all the girls to get married. So there are single girls...but they are unwilling to date "beneath" them.
I think this is largely true, always the odd exception the girl who goes for a guy with other traits she sees as positive, good looking, good socially, etc and girls who don't like competition from guys too near their field.
If we look at popstars for example some seem to have a notorious time finding a guy, like Selena Gomez, Debbie Gibson, possibly Kylie Minogue even Madonna's relationships only lasted so long. So it can often be I think that the more successful a woman is in a career in life the harder it is for her to find someone she is happy dating. I've no doubt that those popstar females just mentioned many dudes would love to date especially in their prime and while possibly they might say in public they don't mind what a guy does in reality I think a woman's in-built psychological subconscious would kick in. Hollywood stars relationships are well known for how fickle they are their marriages included. So perversely due to their high level of career success they could have made themselves single and relatively lonely and that aspect of life probably sucks for them.
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"Most women for example tend to want guys that are good socially."
there's no such thing as "most women"
there's just the woman you see before you - who is an individual
and there are plenty of female "loners" who don't value socializing at ALL and who are just as lonely as you Trench
but because YOU are not social, you have a low fequency of contact with the local dating pool...
if you were a predator trying to eat, you'd of died from starvation a long time ago
most predators in that situation would've moved to a new territory with abundant game
vrs taking a week off to go someplace every 3 years and strike out hunting there as well
in London, for example, you'd get hunting opportunities daily
but you'd have to leave mama's village and go to the big city
very scawy...
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"Most women for example tend to want guys that are good socially."
there's no such thing as "most women"
there's just the woman you see before you - who is an individual
and there are plenty of female "loners" who don't value socializing at ALL and who are just as lonely as you Trench
but because YOU are not social, you have a low fequency of contact with the local dating pool...
if you were a predator trying to eat, you'd of died from starvation a long time ago
most predators in that situation would've moved to a new territory with abundant game
vrs taking a week off to go someplace every 3 years and strike out hunting there as well
in London, for example, you'd get hunting opportunities daily
but you'd have to leave mama's village and go to the big city
very scawy...
I used to go to Uni up in London, it varies, for sure there are more people and if you're not fussy then it's possible to land someone. Again the pretty girls and those that are good socially are in just as high demand up there. Sometimes London can be a lonely place despite all the people as the more busier it is the less people have time for strangers and the more caught up with their own focus they are, often work.
Then of course there is the ethnic groups, a lot of that scene is just for dating within those ethnic groups in those areas. I think there is some willing to date outside moreso than in the past but it's opens up a whole different situation. I don't particularly have any issue with other ethnic groups but I don't see an ethnic group that is radically different as for me for a LTR. If I were in the US with South America on my doorstep I would have no issue with going there as the Latino ethnic group isn't a million miles from white Caucasian. Our Bee Farmer paints a pretty horrifying picture if the state of women in the US today so with so many negatives among so many US women, Latino women would likely compare well in my eyes.
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Ukrainian women give ya the silent treatment when they're mad
OTOH, latinas and italians will freakin try and kill you
not making women mad is an art form unto itself
and as a sidewalk schitzo once told me in passing, "don't piss off wimmin, cuz they control the pooty tang supply"
or maybe it was my own reflection in the window, I was too high at the time to recall the incident accurately
but ya have to do much more than not make em mad
you have to manage their experience with you
to each according to their need
so you need some sense of what these individual needs are
taming animals is pretty easy, you just start feeding them and you're on the path to taming them
you do something similar with wimmin
with the understanding that wimmin do not live by bread alone
but lots and lots of other "things"
the more you feed them the more they let down their guard
and then you can pet them and play with them
when I was a little kid I liked playing with the animals in my backyard
more than playing by myself (as opposed to "playing with myself" like bee farmer)
by the time I was 6 yr old, I had a slew of animal friends
this skill morphed over time into acquiring sexual partners
I don't know how you guys "do it" or apparently don't actually do it
if you don't have a system like this
and the required resources
you seriously wanna get a LOT of pooty tang - guarantted?
EASY!
Buy a freaking high end boat a 35 to 45 footer
problem freakin solved
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you seriously wanna get a LOT of pooty tang - guarantted?
EASY!
Buy a freaking high end boat a 35 to 45 footer
problem freakin solved
In the UK I heard of a guy who was renting his flat but at the same time would take on whatever bad finance deal to buy some new(ish) flash looking sporty type of car. Apparently he did so as it attracted the women. Another guy I knew had a sporty type of car and while it was fairly newish looking used to attract the the women apparently. So a car can probably do it I'm guessing. I've thought about getting a smallish used motor yacht a few years ago problem was even at that was the cost, buying it (not too bad) berthing it, maintenance, etc. A lot of the berthing areas around the UK have long waiting lists. It can be stored in a boat yard, generally fairly high cost or if you have the space at home on the drive and towed out but that can be a pain and not exactly glamorous.
For me I think a flash car might be a better way to go, more girls likely to see it, more practical, potentially less expensive, etc. Should have gone all out to go that way when I was younger had I known, a nice newish convertible or something. Probably would have been better working more to afford something like that than bothering about higher education too much. Back in the day Supermarket work on a Saturday's was always good for the younger women that worked there mostly on the tills. Could have coupled that with an office job or similar in the week saved up and bought a cracking number that might have helped me pull. Back then though people kind of respected higher ed. so maybe some of those girls doing such might not have respected me much I figured back then, probably I was wrong.
Nowadays, most of my money is currently going on the house conversion so I'm running around in some old supermini hatchback that's very economical not tood bad looking style wise but no crumpet puller. Once the house is done probably in a month or two my finances will be a lot less burdened down. In theory that is when I could get a flash car but would it attract local women at my age??? I don't look all that old for my age but I'm just not so sure. An older guy might be married or in a relationship to the girl whose a stranger in the street etc. Might I be better off investing money in property more instead?
Guess one way to find out about the car would be to rent a flash car for a short duration or even a more economic approach as I know I'm well known for on this forum ;) Is to test drive a real flash car and see if I get any reaction, wear some decent gear of course for the occasion. Guessing the more time being seen with a flash car the better but might give me more of an idea if it's a worthwhile investment.
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cars don't have the magnetic pull of boats with wimmin
the freeway ambiance vrs the sun and water
this gives cars a weaker magnetic field than boats
you have a "yacht", it's EZ to get random women to climb into your lair, cuz they wanna check it out - and then check you out!
so the more luxerious and stylish - the better....
and in the summer, if they go on an "excurzie" with you
they gonna be in their thong bikinni and after awhile
after you take your shirt off
they will to!
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cars don't have the magnetic pull of boats with wimmin
the freeway ambiance vrs the sun and water
this gives cars a weaker magnetic field than boats
you have a "yacht", it's EZ to get random women to climb into your lair, cuz they wanna check it out - and then check you out!
so the more luxerious and stylish - the better....
and in the summer, if they go on an "excurzie" with you
they gonna be in their thong bikinni and after awhile
after you take your shirt off
they will to!
For sure, my thoughts are though that having a big luxury yacht then jumping into a supermini wouldn't have the same sort of appeal lol. So probably car first for me that or make out I don't drive due to some issue.
Thinking back I chose the History degree as apart from being something I'm into it also kind of had some credibility back in the day. Though I think I was basing it of prior decades 60s, 70s, 80s, etc and before when a lot less went to Uni and those degrees gave access to good stable reasonably well paying jobs reasonably high up in something like the civil service or local government, if not that then a decent job in Industry in some sort of basic Management role. I was basing it of times passing and as a young guy didn't realise the world was changing and everyone was being hookwinked into thinking most degrees still led to something decent.
End of the day societal change was moving against me. I would probably have needed a lot of wherewithal back then to progress. The economy through much of the nineties consisted of heavy unemployment so lots of road blocks and education was kind of seen as a preferably alternative to the dole by many. Born earlier or even later by about a decade and who knows.
Anyhow, am where I am now, if I could go back in time knowing stuff I know now then who knows maybe a better outcome. Can only just play the game on from where I am now and hope for better things is my thoughts on it all. Had I been born a chick my life would have likey been a lot easier. Many more opportunities for women to do well in life so long as they don't act stupidly or think the basics such as don't get fat doesn't apply to them.
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Where is this data?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/
That's really irrelevant. There are always a multitude of important factors about
why men are paid more. Men go into stem fields, women rarely do. Men are more
likely to work over time, women less so. Women take time off to raise children, men
mostly don't, so they gain more experience, are available at work to become promoted
when women are at home.
How many women are bricklayers? Fish off the coast of Alaska? Work on high wire electrical
lines? None of this is because women are denied entry to these fields, it's because they
choose to go into other fields that generally pay less. That's why women make less.
74.3% of teachers are female but only 9% of mechanical engineers are female.
Which job pays less?
Women make up only 28% of the workforce in science, technology, engineering and math
(STEM), and men vastly outnumber women majoring in most STEM fields in college. The
gender gaps are particularly high in some of the fastest-growing and highest-paid jobs
of the future, like computer science and engineering.
Women make less because they choose careers that pay less and allow them more time
at home. They also take off segments of their careers to raise children. All your pay gap
articles and studies fail to take any of this into account. Women do not go into dangerous
occupations that pay more. How many underwater welders are women? How many women
are welders or plumbers? 7.7% of welders are female in the United States. 5.3% of
plumbers are female.
Women in the West are allowed to pursue their professions. There are no barriers to
entry for women welders. 8.0% of deep sea divers are women and 92.0% of deep
sea divers are men
That's why men make more than women.
Udachi!
Bill
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Big Bill, mostly true.
However there is the inequity regarding women bearing the burden of child raising which keeps them out of the workforce during many time periods. Hence they do not build up the senority, etc to advance at same rate as men.
In earlier times, they mostly chose careers which were along the 'nourishing' line and they still do, but to a lesser extent.
People of my generation and earlier benefitted from having the very best teachers because teaching attracted the brightest women.
Later, these brightest women started going into higher paid professions.
To fill the gap of low paid teachers, schools started hiring far less intelligent men (vast majority of cases) than the women they were replacing, along with less intelligent women.
A big reason why basic redin, riten and rithmetic skills fall year by year.
A way needs to be developed to pay women during child raising years for the good of the nation . . .
along with associated plan to dictate which women (and men) can produce children . . . OH MY !! And no, I am not suggesting that religion or culture be part of the criteria . . . so hold the Heil Hitler's.
Some years back a high ranking Japanese official got into some mild trouble by voicing that USA was diluting its gene pool. He was right . . . but PC prevents us from saying many things that are correct.
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That's really irrelevant. There are always a multitude of important factors about
why men are paid more. Men go into stem fields, women rarely do. Men are more
likely to work over time, women less so. Women take time off to raise children, men
mostly don't, so they gain more experience, are available at work to become promoted
when women are at home.
How many women are bricklayers? Fish off the coast of Alaska? Work on high wire electrical
lines? None of this is because women are denied entry to these fields, it's because they
choose to go into other fields that generally pay less. That's why women make less.
74.3% of teachers are female but only 9% of mechanical engineers are female.
Which job pays less?
Women make up only 28% of the workforce in science, technology, engineering and math
(STEM), and men vastly outnumber women majoring in most STEM fields in college. The
gender gaps are particularly high in some of the fastest-growing and highest-paid jobs
of the future, like computer science and engineering.
Women make less because they choose careers that pay less and allow them more time
at home. They also take off segments of their careers to raise children. All your pay gap
articles and studies fail to take any of this into account. Women do not go into dangerous
occupations that pay more. How many underwater welders are women? How many women
are welders or plumbers? 7.7% of welders are female in the United States. 5.3% of
plumbers are female.
Women in the West are allowed to pursue their professions. There are no barriers to
entry for women welders. 8.0% of deep sea divers are women and 92.0% of deep
sea divers are men
That's why men make more than women.
Udachi!
Bill
The reason doesn't matter. Trench's view is that women are competing with men in the workplace, and have given up "traditional" roles of cooking, cleaning, and caring for men. Women making less money may be because we don't value the jobs they do as much as we do those that men do. It may be that women work fewer hours than men because of domestic duties. But the reality is, that proves my point. In my own life, I worked less than men in my office because I wanted to be home with my children. I didn't begrudge their higher salaries for that. But I also know that before I had children, I started at a lower salary than the men in my office, as did all the women I worked with.
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Trench's view is that
I didn't realize that you were responding to Trench. When the ID is removed from the quote,
I have to read the entire thread to get the context, which I didn't have the time to do.
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Dating wise I just choose not to date girls at the bottom.
You never answered BC's question. When was your last date? What was the year?
With a real girl? Attending a work Christmas party doesn't count unless you brought
a girl who doesn't work at your company AND she left the party with you.
Are you able to answer the question?
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You never answered BC's question. When was your last date? What was the year?
With a real girl? Attending a work Christmas party doesn't count unless you brought
a girl who doesn't work at your company AND she left the party with you.
Are you able to answer the question?
My last date was probably with the girl in Lviv for a dinner date back in 2018 I think it was. It didn't go further than that one date night as I made some FSU dating stuff ups unbeknown to me at the time. Before that was Kherson Girl back in 2017 I guess you could call that about two weeks in all.
I've not really dated since. I could have probably have dated in the UK since before the virus at least but no women I would feel that I would want to date. We're talking fat women here, the obese, women with kids who's loyalty is difficult to say, etc. Dating in the West, in the UK is so badly messed up that it doesn't really work for so many people these days. Once I get out to the FSU, to Moldova, then I should hopefully be on much better ground for dating :)
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I've not really dated since.
How is your hand doing ?
Probably helps increase your arm strength also.
Try being ambidextrous to keep both arms equal.
Best if you can find a younger woman who never tires of sitting on your dick, so you can save your energy.
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My last date was probably with the girl in Lviv for a dinner date back in 2018 I think it was. It didn't go further than that one date night as I made some FSU dating stuff ups unbeknown to me at the time. Before that was Kherson Girl back in 2017 I guess you could call that about two weeks in all.
I've not really dated since. I could have probably have dated in the UK since before the virus at least but no women I would feel that I would want to date. We're talking fat women here, the obese, women with kids who's loyalty is difficult to say, etc. Dating in the West, in the UK is so badly messed up that it doesn't really work for so many people these days. Once I get out to the FSU, to Moldova, then I should hopefully be on much better ground for dating :)
More excuses. Not every woman in the UK is obese (in fact, there are more obese men than women in the UK), or with children. I think that is an excuse because you can't connect with women. You assume your lack of connection in Ukraine was because of language barriers.
How many FSUW in their thirties, do you think, will be thrilled to marry a man in his mid forties who, in his entire life, has had exactly one sexual partner, for a total of a week and a half? One who has never had a relationship in his own country? They will see it for what it is - a sign of profound dysfunction (sorry to say that, but it's the unvarnished truth).
You will be a magnet for every scammer out there.
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golly, the world is SO damned unfair to you Trench
with wimmin in British society earning more, you fear your value is being diminished
but guess what?
a lower income for wimmin, doesn't change ANYTHING regarding how wimmin will judge you
why? cuz the difference between you and other MEN, is STILL the SAME!!!!
chad's rule, and you are a classic anti-chad
so chad-up and re-invent yourself
clearly the old you is not performing all that well
wouldn't it be easier to figure out a way to make xtra money besides your job?
start small say 10,000 pounds
figure out a way to make more money and then keep doing that
buy a boat and a German car
have some spending money, spiff your look up
and you're half way there...
get out more - be more social
and get REAL about yourself and your issues
and for god's sake if not ours, stop blaming others
how are you gonna fix this, if you got what "THIS is" COMPLETELY FREAKING WRONG...
blaming others is the soothing salve you rub over your wounded ego (which is trying to tell ya something there guv'ner)
stop putting salve on it to make yourself feel better
and go and do the required work you NEED to do, to improve your life
everyone here in their own way, is trying to tell you this
be more SELF-AWARE and stop the self-pity, it doesn't help you AT ALL
I don't wanna stand in the way of someone's dream
particualrly a nebbish who can't see he's a nebbish
but damn Trench, if you don't straighten yourself out
NOTHING is gonna change for you
it's all up to you, and NO ONE else
to see, and to do, what needs to be done to fix yourself
you should read Jane Austin's "Universal Truths"
to give you insights, I always enjoyed her perceptive writing
and then after reading Universal Truths
then ask yourself "where do you fit into all this"
and the short answer is one you ALREADY KNOW
YOU DON'T FIT INTO THE PICTURE AT ALL
we all have potential Trench
even YOU
go and figure it out
but don't repeat same ole, same ole
“Love your suffering. Do not resist it, do not flee from it. It is only your aversion to it that hurts, nothing else.”
— Hermann Hesse
c'mon buddy, you can do it
fixing yourself is step one, of getting the life you want
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golly, the world is SO damned unfair to you Trench
with wimmin in British society earning more, you fear your value is being diminished
but guess what?
a lower income for wimmin, doesn't change ANYTHING regarding how wimmin will judge you
why? cuz the difference between you and other MEN, is STILL the SAME!!!!
chad's rule, and you are a classic anti-chad
so chad-up and re-invent yourself
clearly the old you is not performing all that well
wouldn't it be easier to figure out a way to make xtra money besides your job?
start small say 10,000 pounds
figure out a way to make more money and then keep doing that
buy a boat and a German car
have some spending money, spiff your look up
and you're half way there...
get out more - be more social
and get REAL about yourself and your issues
and for god's sake if not ours, stop blaming others
how are you gonna fix this, if you got what "THIS is" COMPLETELY FREAKING WRONG...
blaming others is the soothing salve you rub over your wounded ego (which is trying to tell ya something there guv'ner)
stop putting salve on it to make yourself feel better
and go and do the required work you NEED to do, to improve your life
everyone here in their own way, is trying to tell you this
be more SELF-AWARE and stop the self-pity, it doesn't help you AT ALL
I don't wanna stand in the way of someone's dream
particualrly a nebbish who can't see he's a nebbish
but damn Trench, if you don't straighten yourself out
NOTHING is gonna change for you
it's all up to you, and NO ONE else
to see, and to do, what needs to be done to fix yourself
you should read Jane Austin's "Universal Truths"
to give you insights, I always enjoyed her perceptive writing
and then after reading Universal Truths
then ask yourself "where do you fit into all this"
and the short answer is one you ALREADY KNOW
YOU DON'T FIT INTO THE PICTURE AT ALL
we all have potential Trench
even YOU
go and figure it out
but don't repeat same ole, same ole
“Love your suffering. Do not resist it, do not flee from it. It is only your aversion to it that hurts, nothing else.”
— Hermann Hesse
c'mon buddy, you can do it
fixing yourself is step one, of getting the life you want
Its not self pity, I'm generally not one for that if I see a way to improve I try it. What I say is just a reflection on reality it not me self pitying, sometimes times aren't good for most people in a country. In the UK that was generally the 90s, mass unemployment, employers cutting jobs to cut costs so they would do ok but never mind all those laid off with little hope of work. A guy starting out in life faced with little prospect of even getting a part time supermarket job despite decent qualifications is going to have his opportunities to progress stunted pretty badly.
Well that's in the past now but the present situation is that it's not that easy to make money in the UK. For a guy whose in the right field of expertise possibly or has a lot of money to put behind a business maybe, but for guys who don't it's a lot harder. Anything you go into here there is always a lot of competition, that generally means it's going to be tough getting business in and hence making a profit.
In theory minus costs I have probably made £10-£15k in profit on my house each year with marketplace rises and my remodelling. Nearly done on that now, had to switch to doing the back garden/back of house as new neighbours moving in next door soon so I know a lot of bother can come if it's messy if you get the wrong sort next door. Anyway the garden/back of house is about done now and looking good I think. While it's generally to rent rooms out I kind of want the place looking good both for property value and if I ever did bring a FSW around.
So it getting there, most people in the UK are stuck in hum drum jobs, some are stuck renting. A recent new article described many UK residents as living in rabbit hitches. Some houses are ridiculously small, like Noddy size small, literally a tiny living room of a couple metres square or so, a kitchen about the same size, a tiny bathroom all crammed in then one or two, commonly two tiny bedrooms upstairs with enough room for a bed, bedside table, etc and a wardrobe if you're lucky, that's it! Many, many houses like that for as far as the eye can see on many estates, new housing just tiny, then of course small flats etc as well.
I'm looking to doing better of course but there's many that aren't living a fantastic life out there. As said I'll be trying to move stuff on once the house is done but it all takes time. Likely I should have done stuff differently in the past but no saying it would have turned out any better. Just got to make the best of where I am now really.
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More excuses. Not every woman in the UK is obese (in fact, there are more obese men than women in the UK), or with children. I think that is an excuse because you can't connect with women. You assume your lack of connection in Ukraine was because of language barriers.
How many FSUW in their thirties, do you think, will be thrilled to marry a man in his mid forties who, in his entire life, has had exactly one sexual partner, for a total of a week and a half? One who has never had a relationship in his own country? They will see it for what it is - a sign of profound dysfunction (sorry to say that, but it's the unvarnished truth).
You will be a magnet for every scammer out there.
Well at least less risk of STDs I guess ;D
I'll just have to see how it goes out there next month. Either they are interested or they aren't. Sure I have the odd shortcoming but I have a few positives also, I'm 6ft tall so not short as many girls don't like that, I have a full head of hair, mostly still brown and I'm in decent enough shape. They on the other hand aren't in the choicest of places, I'm not saying I want a desperate woman but I assume they're lives could be better in being with a guy like me. A guy with even a smallish house in the UK that is well off in comparison will have a lot of go in him compared to the local guys, if they can't see that I'm happy to walk.
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"I'm not saying I want a desperate woman"
a thousand pardons guv'ner, but this is EXACTLY what you're sayin
" but I assume they're lives could be better in being with a guy like me. "
the whole point of this isn't to get YOU to make this assumption, but to get "HER" to make it
Trench, what if YOUR assumptions that YOU have accepted as true or as certain to happen
aren't true, and so aren't gonna happen?
hmmmmmmm?
blame society - those bloody bastards!
I think I'm gonna start doin that to now
DAMNED SOCIETY always screwing up my life
nah... doesn't do anything for me
this makes you feel better?
I don't get even a tingle, sorry
one...two...
gonna write s'more for you
Trench, blessed are the poor in spirit
who are able to seek and find their own redemption
cuz if you waitin around for someone else to free ya
like some woman in ukraine or moldova
well...
that's gonna probably not happen
and besides, did Jesus's death REALLY "save" anyone
except the churches and priests gift shops and money changers?
so ya know, I wouldn't count on externally derived redemption
cuz it ain't REAL me 'bruv
if redemption ain't gonna come from you
well then, it just ain't gonna come to you at all
besides the bad education and profession choices
the other really bad decision you made was to live in yo mama's village
guys who never left their home town, tend not be super successful
is an observation I've made....
but the real problem you don't live a social life within a "network"
in some places I've lived,, like Israel, it's IMPOSSIBLE to escape from it
everybody kibbutzes there
everybody was in the IDF and can relate to each other
so you're in this HUGE network, same thing in Russia/Ukraine
man, these networks are GOLD for meetin wimmin....
you don't EVEN have to TRY and hit on 'em
playing coy works super well
BUT you gotta be a bright pretty flower if you want the bees
there has to be some qualities about you that a woman could find value in
and then she's like, "oh look, I see a diamond, I think I'll make it mine"
and you just don't get in her way, when she wants to put you on her finger
this is what I did
I became so damned interesting for foreign wimmin, that I coulda been in a beer commercial...
bottom line, what you're doin, isn't how any of this actually works
and so no big surprise, it doesn't work...
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besides the bad education and profession choices
the other really bad decision you made was to live in yo mama's village
guys who never left their home town, tend not be super successful
is an observation I've made....
but the real problem you don't live a social life within a "network"
in some places I've lived,, like Israel, it's IMPOSSIBLE to escape from it
everybody kibbutzes there
everybody was in the IDF and can relate to each other
so you're in this HUGE network, same thing in Russia/Ukraine
man, these networks are GOLD for meetin wimmin....
you don't EVEN have to TRY and hit on 'em
playing coy works super well
BUT you gotta be a bright pretty flower if you want the bees
there has to be some qualities about you that a woman could find value in
and then she's like, "oh look, I see a diamond, I think I'll make it mine"
and you just don't get in her way, when she wants to put you on her finger
this is what I did
I became so damned interesting for foreign wimmin, that I coulda been in a beer commercial...
bottom line, what you're doin, isn't how any of this actually works
and so no big surprise, it doesn't work...
Networks are a real problem in the UK, and you're right I don't live a social life within a network. On the UK they're aren't really much in the way of any strong networks, I'm not religious and religion isn't strong out here (fortunately), political stuff is so, so - something to be careful talking about or you could end up losing friends not making them lol. Hobbies and interests is probably where it's at if anywhere but that scene can vary between ok to hopeless, some hobbies you may turn up and people are ok others it can be a damp squid. Often it's best if you're really into the hobby to feel motivated and wanting to mix assuming they do, some places you can turn up and no one really wants to know much or they are more focused on the hobby. Recently I considered this stuff, I'm going to try and do a bit more cycling again but it's really for me and my health, I'm not really a cycling fanatic just a casual thing I do. I lift weights when I can but again it's not a full on thing and gyms I haven't wished to frequent since COVID broke out. Recently I've been getting back into Martial Arts a bit so maybe I might consider that one, that's a question of finding the right club one where the others have a similar out look to yourself, some are mega full on into it in a hard sort of way others just more of a pastime, the latter is probably more me, I enjoy it but don't want to make it my whole life. Anything else in the UK is difficult to envisage any network, the workplace you have to be super careful of as so many feminists enjoying nothing better than pulling a man down over any slight non straight laced behaviour.
To be honest it could have all been so different for me, and much easier, aside from society. My father had good social skills, way better than me, unfortunately I inherited my lack of social skills/personality type from my mother, a very nice genuine person but unfortunately falls short socially. If I had my father's social gene then I would have had many women to chose from probably falling over themselves to get with me. My father was shorter than me but still got the women, as a six ft tall guy with brown hair, from a decent area with social skills I would have been picked up on the radar of many women. So bad luck for me there really, even being born a woman who is not good socially would have been a better card most likely. It just kind of sucks to have been so close yet just one step away from what could have been a fun and great life.
Still again I am where I am now and I guess there are many other unfortunates out there so not just me. In the UK you've got to really watch being marginalised socially as it can unfortunately so easily happen. You need references to get work most of the time, professionals to sign for your first passport or passport replacement if it is lost/stolen, someone to countersign when you are buying a house, and references and affordability checks if you are wanting to rent. So that doesn't make UK society an easy place for someone who isn't that good socially to get on with. I've been fortunate that to date I've had help from my brother or sister, former neighbour, etc but it's always been a bit of a tenuous one probably moreso at the moment and so not great for me. Others I have heard of have had it worse from all of that, at its worst it can literally leave a person homeless just due to not knowing anyone or the right people. If I didn't have a brother or sister for much of my life I could have really been up sh*t creek.
So having my own home even if a bit smallish is a big deal when the UK can be so harsh on that front. It's kind of why I need to get more financially independent, etc to try and avoid the most punitive aspects of British society. Other societies make it a lot more easier for those who aren't great socially to function and thrive without them having to go cap in hand to others to do whatever for whatever they want to do. That's the sort of sh*t you can be up against in the UK and why it's not an easy society to get on in.
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trench, ya gonna end up livin on the boulevarde of broken dreams
which is, by all accounts a rather dreadful neighborhood
if you don't climb out of the hole you stumbled into
focus on that
aint'cha got at least one relative/friend you can ask, "am I phuqued up somehow?"
they will know
and when they explain it to you, you will see it
and the truth is the path that will set you free
but only if you get up off your ass and start hiking up that steep mountian pass
which segways to the subject of "sloth"
if you are perceived as lazy or ineffectual by an FSU woman, then she's done with you, THE END
could this mean that your main failing has always been a kind of mental laziness towards reality cuz you focus on some other dubious non-real BS instead?
or is it society's fault?
so many possibilities
lack of money is the root cause of most evil
but what causes that?
in your case laziness, not in the physical sense, but a mental one
you settled for doing the minimum
and that's what it returned to you
you want more?
then work more for getting it
do ya see the connection?
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trench, ya gonna end up livin on the boulevarde of broken dreams
which is, by all accounts a rather dreadful neighborhood
if you don't climb out of the hole you stumbled into
focus on that
aint'cha got at least one relative/friend you can ask, "am I phuqued up somehow?"
they will know
and when they explain it to you, you will see it
and the truth is the path that will set you free
but only if you get up off your ass and start hiking up that steep mountian pass
which segways to the subject of "sloth"
if you are perceived as lazy or ineffectual by an FSU woman, then she's done with you, THE END
could this mean that your main failing has always been a kind of mental laziness towards reality cuz you focus on some other dubious non-real BS instead?
or is it society's fault?
so many possibilities
lack of money is the root cause of most evil
but what causes that?
in your case laziness, not in the physical sense, but a mental one
you settled for doing the minimum
and that's what it returned to you
you want more?
then work more for getting it
do ya see the connection?
That's definitely a good point Krim, I kind of got the impression that like a Bond villain's henchman failure is not an option or it's the end for you. That I hadn't really dragged out of my subconscious properly until you just highlighted here confirming my suspicion that, that is the case.
On that one I could land myself in the sh*t with a FSW, developing property is not always an easy one. Admittedly on my house with hindsight I think I should have gone in with a more basic development. I should have just sectioned off the bedrooms into smaller rooms, made the front room into a small room and rented out the rooms that way, also dove a more basic garden. Instead I decided upon ensuite toilets in all the three bedrooms, a small 3 x 4 metre extension, moving the bathroom & having a small living room and a nicer garden. Sure it will be worth more and I'll be able to get a bit more room rent money and possibly fill the rooms easier but it's eaten up way more time. That said difficult to say for sure as risking under doing it could possibly make it harder to rent out.
Main issue is that a FSW would no doubt get peeved at all the delays. Invariably in any construction nearly everything takes longer than hoped. Throughout the world most construction on small to huge projects tend to nearly always run behind schedule. So on that one I'm setting myself up for a hard task and one where I would fail to look good. I've only got a couple of purchases like the one in Corfu in mind but I would definitely have to be careful not to dig myself a hole if a FSW is around or I may be filling it 😬
In the main I would definitely need to talk the talk, talk up what I'm doing not to stupid levels but at least in a way where I sound like I'm busy and going about business, perception can be a big part of it I think. That said obviously I need at least some social proof to back it up with. For now I am going to keep the present course of finishing of my house and doing my job, messing with that now would set me back more than it would aid. I'm only about two months from finishing the house roughly and that would give me relatively assured income. One I've done that my hands are freer to look at hopefully more prosperous activities.
Most businesses require a fair amount of investment to get going and often some effort. That's a possibility but I need my hands free with more time on my hands but money coming in also. Whatever it is I will need something where it can walk the walk while I talk the talk so it doesn't look like I'm just lazing off my rental income. That wouldn't look to a FSW my guess would be. In have a few ideas, I think so long as I work through them and don't allow any of them to bring me down or make me look sh*t like an overrunning renovation project then I should be ok. Nothing makes you look sh*t than an overrunning renovation project even if you have been working hard doing it which of course can make you feel more sh*t and that I know is not a great place to be.
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Just thinking again yesterday about the number of troop losses in Ukraine. My last estimate back last year I gave just before the US General guy came up with about the same, that Ukraine had lost about 100,000 troops. This was after about 9 - 10months of fighting. I came up with this figure as a result of anecdotal evidence of a soldiers account around Soledar I think it was or similar type of battlefield that they were losing about 200 men a day. To that I added a few more to other perhaps less active areas of the battle front and times by the number of months to get the rough estimate figure of 100,000.
So with the ferocity pretty much continuing a pace I reckon we can break it down to roughly 10,000 Ukrainian troops lost per month and can work forward from that for every month of war that has passed. So now Ukraine would have lost approximately 130,000 troops.
Russia of course would have lost far more, not only does the attacker usually lose more troops against an army able to defend well but their tactics particularly of the Wagner Group makes it so. There troop losses are more harder in a way, I think numbers given out so far even by Russia aren't necessarily far wrong since Russia I don't think really care how many they lose or who knows as they're looking to win on a numbers basis.
Certainly at least double the numbers Ukraine has lost 260,000 seems likely possibly more. The fact that Russia is still able to hold its present lines and attack means that it must still be fielding a considerable number of troops at the front. Troop call up numbers are difficult to ascertain as to how many they actually get in the end and stay. It can both point to replenishing troop losses and build up of troops. The latter perhaps less so as they need equipping and feeding so I reckon most of it is just replacing troops that have been lost. If so that conceivable points to far higher troop losses perhaps as far as 300,000 or more. My guess is at the end of this whenever that comes we will likely be shocked by the number of troop losses moreso by Russia.