What to do

[2tallbill]

Like Bill keeps saying, "You don't know what you don't know."

You are arguing with a 5 year old who will will never understand. He is stuck and will never
get above his current position. He has less chance of getting an FSUW than he has a chance
of winning the lottery.

He loves the arguing, it helps him waste his time here rather than doing something/anything
productive.

I should spend less time here as well.

[Trenchcoat]

I am not a politically correct even a tiny little bit, but try to stop calling women, chicks and/or pussy.

I insist on it After all who can forget the great James Bond fictional character Pussy Galore!

http://youtu.be/Y-_1NS9kKR4?si=CHDTmO0HiGx8yG8g

[Trenchcoat]

It's a smaller company, so I have to wait for people to retire or die.  There are a couple guys ahead of me who enjoy working there, and plan to work there until the day they die.  One guy is 70 and the other is 75 years old.  My boss is about my age, and he is content and wants to stay in that position until he retires.

If I keep doing industrial maintenance in factories, any move will be a lateral move, rather than an upwards move.  To advance beyond the maintenance level I am now in any factory usually requires a college degree or specialized education.
I do have a beekeeping business on the side, but it would be difficult to scale up to the point where I could replace the pay and benefits of doing maintenance.

Like Bill keeps saying, "You don't know what you don't know."

Interest rates have been going up the past few years, combined with skyrocketing house prices.  Now is not the time to be buying another house.  Demand exceeds the supply.

It's actually physically demanding work, and I have to work 48 hours a week.  But working hard and working long hours has enabled me to get ahead.

You do not work in a white collar job.  You have to be middle or upper class before it could be considered a white collar job.  You are the working class, even if your job is easy. 
Normally, middle class is considered to be $30,000-$90,000 a year.

I doubt that.  The title is very vague and generic.

I doubt that.  I think most girls would look up what this company pays workers. 
When I was younger, I worked at Rolls-Royce.  Girls would melt when they found out I was single and worked at Rolls-Royce.  (They didn't care that I was a low paid peon in the machine shop.)

So should I tell girls about being on the board of directors of the non-profit organization, even though it is an unpaid position?  It sounds important.  Isn't that what girls want?

I don't know.  If I take the job, wouldn't it be better to use my employee badge as a profile pic so girls know that I have a job?

The company is really, really picky about who they hire.  Almost everyone who applies gets turned down.  You have a better chance of getting accepted into Harvard than being hired by this company.

There are a lot of job opportunities in my area.  The old workers are retiring, and not enough young people to fill the old jobs.  Add to that, new businesses are opening wanting workers.
A lot of the people in my area went to college, but they didn't learn the skills needed to do this job.  They got other jobs that pay enough for them to pay for bread and circuses, and they aren't ambitious enough to try something new.  If you can make $20 or $25 an hour, and can work a few hours of overtime to make more money...how motivated are you going to be to take free online classes just so you can pay $250 to take an open book exam in the hopes you can get a job in a new industry?

A lot of the guys in my area work blue collar jobs.  Blue collar jobs is the foundation of the American economy.

From what I have seen, the average American woman around here doesn't care if a guy is blue collar or not.  A blue collar worker who works overtime can easily make more money than a salaried white collar worker.

No, your job is not somewhat low status.  Your job is extremely low status.  A girl wants a man who can provide her a middle class lifestyle.  If you don't earn enough to provide that, then your job status will always be absolute trash.

I thought you said you wouldn't be a blue collar worker like a plumber.  Now you say you would, if the pay was enough.  So how much money would a job have to pay you for you to do plumbing work?  Or a maintenance mechanic, and have cuts and scrapes on your hands and busted knuckles?  Would you do that for $20 or $30 an hour?  Would you be a garbage collector for $25 an hour?

What do you consider to be "decent money?"  What if I'm an introvert who is not a people person and doesn't enjoy sales?  I get burned out from dealing with customers for 3 hours on a Saturday morning at a farmers market selling honey.

Are you standing on your head, if you think I'm on the bottom of the hierarchy?  I need you to explain to me how I am at the bottom of this hierarchy.  Do you think guys are at the bottom if they are not the very top 1%?
I have above average income for not only my area, but for the whole country.  (Even if I am a blue collar worker who gets dirty fingernails and busted knuckles.)
I have a side business with bees, and am admired by women at the farmers market for my bee knowledge.
I'm on the board of a non-profit organization and have a title.  Women seem to think it is something special, and will often want to ask me advice on growing things.
I have a couple 4 wheel drive trucks, and trucks are always a chick magnet.
 

So if an FSU girl is pretty, that means she is a princess?  She won't care if I treat her good, or if I can provide a solid middle class lifestyle?  Do I need to be a hedge fund manager that makes a million dollars a year if I want a pretty girl? 

So if a guy is a cleaner and earns $100,000 a year, he is a failure?  But if he is an architectural designer, and only earns $15,000 a year, he is a success in women's eyes?  Is that what you're saying?

I play that part good.  A lot of the millionaires I know have 4 wheel drive trucks.  They wear work boots and blue jeans and t-shirts.  That's how a lot of millionaires present themselves, but I take it to the next level.  A lot of the millionaires I know wear stupid John Deere ball caps.  I wear my cowboy hat to show that I am high status guy.  And they will wear cheap Wrangler jeans.  If I want to dress to impress, I wear my Levi jeans.

You didn't include all that information upfront Beefarmer.

It sounds like from the added info that you are best if staying where you are then, those two guys who are 70 & 75 are only going to last so long however they think they are going to last. A few years should see them off and you'll get in line for a promotion to their position. However, the dilemma is do you wish to become the new them. Surd you will be in a well paid job but what is your social life like? You said you are introvert and we all get what we get in life and don't get a decider on that one. Possibly you are not cut out of a relationship with someone, living with someone.

It's difficult to gauge whether 3 hours at the farmers market is you exhausting yourself on long talks about bees or you just don't have the capacity to socialise even at a calm pace for long. I know his it is as I'm not into heavy socialising or for long lengths of time either. However it becomes a case of how much socialising you like. If you find someone enough on your wavelength then that's ok.

Myself if I had two houses behind me and a bit of money stashed in the bank I would live off that, chuck the job in and go live an adventure abroad. You can probably live like a lord in sone countries with the money you get from renting a house out, rent out two and put your stuff into storage or at parents, etc home and you'll have an income vastly superior to most in the FSU. You could walk around a city out there without having to work but being able to afford more than the locales. People would get to hear, girls would take note and you would be inundated with options, more pussy than you could ever dream off, servicing your bod every night of the week Beefarmer! Or you could stay looking at the inside of an industrial place and the usual durge about what machine to service next, again.

[Bee Farmer]

You are arguing with a 5 year old who will will never understand. He is stuck and will never
get above his current position. He has less chance of getting an FSUW than he has a chance
of winning the lottery.

He's not 5.  He's 15.  And he did win the lottery.

[Trenchcoat]

Beefarmuh, you are ducking the question? What are you going to do in your life? Become one of the old men at your company? Or get out there and live a life?

There's no point looking back as an old man wishing for stuff you could have done at your age. Are you really going to sit life out and turn up to work each day just to work the next?

[2tallbill]

Beefarmuh, you are ducking the question? What are you going to do in your life? Become one of the old men at your company? Or get out there and live a life?

There's no point looking back as an old man wishing for stuff you could have done at your age. Are you really going to sit life out and turn up to work each day just to work the next?

Trenchcoat,

What are you going to do with your life? Be old and alone, with a house still requiring just a few
things to finish before you learn some Russian? Or before you go to the gym to become ripped?
Or will you simply dither doing nothing. Wishing for a woman to be next to you?

Wishium: Wishing things to be different without doing anything to make it happen.

Will you delay action to improve your situation until it's too late to find a "chick"*.
How many good years of your life will you spend prattering here instead of productive action? 

How many Russian words could you learn if you spend the time learning Russian rather than
wasting your time posting drivel?

* What he should day is good girl, but he at least subconsciously resents women since the
semi attractive thin ones don't want what he offers, so he offers a veiled pejorative instead.

[Trenchcoat]

Trenchcoat,

What are you going to do with your life? Be old and alone, with a house still requiring just a few
things to finish before you learn some Russian? Or before you go to the gym to become ripped?
Or will you simply dither doing nothing. Wishing for a woman to be next to you?

Wishium: Wishing things to be different without doing anything to make it happen.

Will you delay action to improve your situation until it's too late to find a "chick"*.
How many good years of your life will you spend prattering here instead of productive action? 

How many Russian words could you learn if you spend the time learning Russian rather than
wasting your time posting drivel?

* What he should day is good girl, but he at least subconsciously resents women since the
semi attractive thin ones don't want what he offers, so he offers a veiled pejorative instead.

I've got a girl and am doing stuff. Life isn't easy here like it is in the US. Beefarmuh here should be winning with two houses behind him and a good well paid job. Yet he seems to be drifting and letting things slide. He's got silly notions in his head of a cut of age for having children. Some Hollywood Stars are having children in their 60s & 70s, that might be pushing it a bit far however with a younger girl they will likely be someone for the child in a worst case scenario. Our Beefarmer just wishes to call time out now and live a lonely life in his later years. It would be so easy for him to have a great life in his position but having attained all he has he is now happy to drop the ball.

[Trenchcoat]

New construction plumbers/electricians don't deal with that.

Top salesmen are typically the highest paid people in the company, business to business
not door to door.

You don't know what you don't know.

Trust me Beel, I know the world of the Tradesman, I've had several close members of my family involved in the trade. I've been near enough to the action myself to know the real deal. I silently laugh at people when I hear how they think the trades are the way to go. Most grab onto what they have heard you can make and they don't fully understand the real deal. Even when you tell them like I have told you here they don't believe it.

So tell me Beel are you going to recommend being a plumber to your son? Knowing that he would have the joys of crawling through sewage in a crawl space.

It is a many times better idea to get into Finance, Sales if he has an apptitude for selling.

If someone isn't good at either of them then I would suggest looking elsewhere than the trades. Only do the trades if they fully understand all of the negatives and have an apptitude for it and they take to it like a duck to water, but generally avoid the trades in thinking it's a good deal to get into.

Like I say, painter is thx easiest one to get into but how many people do their own painting these days? It's not difficult, a pot of paint and some rollers and brushes from a FIY store. All the other trades tend to be difficult that's why others employ you. Plumbing it depends what the job is, I had one woman quiz me a number of months ago about a fitting for a plumbing job in a DIY store. Not as common as it used to be since Google & You Tube came about but shows many so thx jobs themselves where they can. They used to have trade experts in DIY stores before Google & You Tube took off and they were always being bugged by people asking them how to do a job.

The negatives I've listed are really worth a thought Bill, many people suggest stuff for other people without doing it or wanting to do it themselves. If they thought about how the might feel doing it they wouldn't be so keen on suggesting it for someone else. Some jobs are just absolute sheer torture and it's best to get to think about how the job really would be doing it.

[Bee Farmer]

Beefarmuh, you are ducking the question? What are you going to do in your life? Become one of the old men at your company? Or get out there and live a life?

There's no point looking back as an old man wishing for stuff you could have done at your age. Are you really going to sit life out and turn up to work each day just to work the next?

I'm going to keep living my good life.

I'm not one of those bitter, resentful losers who spend their life angry about missed opportunities, or being jealous of other's successes.  I'm too busy enjoying the good things in my life to wallow about unfairness that happened when I was younger.

How many Russian words could you learn if you spend the time learning Russian rather than
wasting your time posting drivel?

Bill, I'm not learning Russian, but I am up to 936 Ukrainian words on Duolingo.  At one time Trench claimed to be doing Duolingo too.  I wonder if he stuck with it.

Life isn't easy here like it is in the US.

Yet, other people in the UK are able to make a go of it.  I did notice that you never seemed interested in obtaining the $250 certification for yourself so you could get in on one of these easy jobs.

Beefarmuh here should be winning with two houses behind him and a good well paid job. Yet he seems to be drifting and letting things slide. He's got silly notions in his head of a cut of age for having children. Some Hollywood Stars are having children in their 60s & 70s, that might be pushing it a bit far however with a younger girl they will likely be someone for the child in a worst case scenario.

What makes you think that I am not winning?  Because I don't have children?  I don't know if you can understand this, but having children is not something that has ever been a priority for me.  And now, I don't want to be trying to play catch with a kid when I am 70.  Very, very few people have children in their 60's and 70's, and I'm no Hollywood star.  (And have no desire to be one.)

Our Beefarmer just wishes to call time out now and live a lonely life in his later years. It would be so easy for him to have a great life in his position but having attained all he has he is now happy to drop the ball.

I know a lot of single guys who are older than me who think their life is much better than being married.  Just because you might be afraid to be alone doesn't mean other guys are afraid of it.

So tell me Beel are you going to recommend being a plumber to your son?

Bill, if your son has an interest in plumbing and is a jack of all trades, encourage him to take a look at this free course.  If you want to take the open book exam, it costs $250 to get certified.  This is an entry level credential for taking care of infrastructure at hyperscale data centers.  The computer servers generate a lot of heat, so there is a lot of HVAC work to cool them.  Some of the DC's are now getting into liquid cooled processors because AI processors generate too much heat to cool with air.  There is a lot of plumbing in data centers.

I have never worked in IT or in a data center, but they offered me (a dumb guy with no college degree but I did get the DCCA certificate) 96,000 reasons to consider working as an entry level associate facilities technician in a DC.  I talked to another guy they recently hired for the same position.  He did not have maintenance experience, but he had worked for a couple years installing sprinkler systems (another plumbing job) in new commercial construction.  He did not have the DCCA certificate, and they only offered him 78,000 reasons to consider working there.  These are not made up statistics from some website - these are real numbers from offer letters.

http://schneider.efrontlearning.com/catalog/view/course/id/29/title/Data%20Center%20Certified%20Associate%20%20Exam%20Development%20Path

The Data Center Certified Associate credential is recognized internationally.  This probably wouldn't be a good option for someone in the UK though, since they only have 325 data centers in the UK.  And they probably don't hire anyone to take care of the infrastructure in those data centers either.
http://www.datacentermap.com/united-kingdom/

[Trenchcoat]

I'm going to keep living my good life.

I'm not one of those bitter, resentful losers who spend their life angry about missed opportunities, or being jealous of other's successes.  I'm too busy enjoying the good things in my life to wallow about unfairness that happened when I was younger.

Bill, I'm not learning Russian, but I am up to 936 Ukrainian words on Duolingo.  At one time Trench claimed to be doing Duolingo too.  I wonder if he stuck with it.

Yet, other people in the UK are able to make a go of it.  I did notice that you never seemed interested in obtaining the $250 certification for yourself so you could get in on one of these easy jobs.

What makes you think that I am not winning?  Because I don't have children?  I don't know if you can understand this, but having children is not something that has ever been a priority for me.  And now, I don't want to be trying to play catch with a kid when I am 70.  Very, very few people have children in their 60's and 70's, and I'm no Hollywood star.  (And have no desire to be one.)

I know a lot of single guys who are older than me who think their life is much better than being married.  Just because you might be afraid to be alone doesn't mean other guys are afraid of it.

Bill, if your son has an interest in plumbing and is a jack of all trades, encourage him to take a look at this free course.  If you want to take the open book exam, it costs $250 to get certified.  This is an entry level credential for taking care of infrastructure at hyperscale data centers.  The computer servers generate a lot of heat, so there is a lot of HVAC work to cool them.  Some of the DC's are now getting into liquid cooled processors because AI processors generate too much heat to cool with air.  There is a lot of plumbing in data centers.

I have never worked in IT or in a data center, but they offered me (a dumb guy with no college degree but I did get the DCCA certificate) 96,000 reasons to consider working as an entry level associate facilities technician in a DC.  I talked to another guy they recently hired for the same position.  He did not have maintenance experience, but he had worked for a couple years installing sprinkler systems (another plumbing job) in new commercial construction.  He did not have the DCCA certificate, and they only offered him 78,000 reasons to consider working there.  These are not made up statistics from some website - these are real numbers from offer letters.

http://schneider.efrontlearning.com/catalog/view/course/id/29/title/Data%20Center%20Certified%20Associate%20%20Exam%20Development%20Path

The Data Center Certified Associate credential is recognized internationally.  This probably wouldn't be a good option for someone in the UK though, since they only have 325 data centers in the UK.  And they probably don't hire anyone to take care of the infrastructure in those data centers either.
http://www.datacentermap.com/united-kingdom/

What good life? As you tell it here your life involves baby sitting the machinery at work, going to church, keeping bees and going to farmers market, and watching that Zeihan guy. Did I miss anything?

That doesn't sound like paradise to me. You could be laid out on a lounger by the poolside somewhere warm and scenic with girls in bikinis all around. You do like girls don't you Beefarmer? Or do you swing both ways and prefer a bit of action with the guys accessing each others maintenance areas? Yeerrr!

Well I don't like to brag but I have passed my 1000 word award for Russian on Duolingo

You made a poor choice in learning Ukrainian, Beefarmuh, it applies mostly to the western side of Ukraine. Sure other Ukrainians know it but many other Ukrainians still speak Russian out of habit despite being fiercely anti-Russian. I fear that choice might come back to bits you on the bum

Most people in the UK are no well off. If anything I am from a reasonably well off family and even I don't find it easy here. Fortunes change and vary but the UK is not often an easy place to make good money. Sometimes even finding work can be a challenge especially anything any good. You're lucky to be born in the US Beefarmer but you are squandering what you have. You have attained stuff and now you think your life is good you are sitting back and being lazy with what you have. You're life could easily be so much better but you aren't willing to take the easy step with what you have to get there even though it would be easy enough. You could be living in paradise but instead confine yourself to the industrial scene.

Many qualifications claim to be international but in reality they are limited to the country they are based in, that qualification would do nothing for me here and Employers would not even know of it. Here a cheap, quick qualification like that would do nothing for you anyway, you would be two a penny and oversupply of such would condemn you to a low wage here.

[Bee Farmer]

What good life? As you tell it here your life involves baby sitting the machinery at work, going to church, keeping bees and going to farmers market, and watching that Zeihan guy. Did I miss anything?

Industrial maintenance is just a regular job.  When have I ever said I go to church?  Keeping bees is just a few hours a week from the spring to the fall.  The farmers market is just 3 hours a week in the summer.  You forgot about the half acre of blackberries I have, or the 2000 strawberry plants I have ordered and a patch ready to be planted.  I also volunteer on the board of directors of a non-profit organization, but that's only about a half dozen days a year.  I have fruit and nut trees that I'm growing too.

The berries don't take a whole lot of time, since I have a group of teenage kids who are good workers and like money.

That doesn't sound like paradise to me. You could be laid out on a lounger by the poolside somewhere warm and scenic with girls in bikinis all around.

That doesn't sound like paradise to me.  I would go stir crazy laying around by a poolside doing nothing.

You do like girls don't you Beefarmer?

Yeah, but I don't idolize them or act like a 14 year old boy fantasizing about girls in bikinis.  There's a lot more to life than women. 

You made a poor choice in learning Ukrainian, Beefarmuh, it applies mostly to the western side of Ukraine.

And the girl I have been talking to just happens to be from the western side of Ukraine.  Imagine that.

Many qualifications claim to be international but in reality they are limited to the country they are based in, that qualification would do nothing for me here and Employers would not even know of it. Here a cheap, quick qualification like that would do nothing for you anyway, you would be two a penny and oversupply of such would condemn you to a low wage here.

You're probably right.  They probably offer these data center courses in French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Turkish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Thai etc. because they want to give people from all over a false sense of hope that the certification might be useful to get a better job.
And undoubtedly data centers in Europe won't follow the industry standards, because things like fire protection, physical security, cooling, cabling, electrical power, diesel generators, etc will be totally different there. 

I hate to point out that you're already condemned to a low wage there.  What do you have to lose by learning a more valuable skill?  And if everyone else got on the bandwagon getting the certification, you would be one of the first ones...so who cares if the guys coming later don't get the paycheck you do?

[Trenchcoat]

Industrial maintenance is just a regular job.  When have I ever said I go to church?  Keeping bees is just a few hours a week from the spring to the fall.  The farmers market is just 3 hours a week in the summer.  You forgot about the half acre of blackberries I have, or the 2000 strawberry plants I have ordered and a patch ready to be planted.  I also volunteer on the board of directors of a non-profit organization, but that's only about a half dozen days a year.  I have fruit and nut trees that I'm growing too.

The berries don't take a whole lot of time, since I have a group of teenage kids who are good workers and like money.

That doesn't sound like paradise to me.  I would go stir crazy laying around by a poolside doing nothing.

Yeah, but I don't idolize them or act like a 14 year old boy fantasizing about girls in bikinis.  There's a lot more to life than women. 

And the girl I have been talking to just happens to be from the western side of Ukraine.  Imagine that.

You're probably right.  They probably offer these data center courses in French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Turkish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Thai etc. because they want to give people from all over a false sense of hope that the certification might be useful to get a better job.
And undoubtedly data centers in Europe won't follow the industry standards, because things like fire protection, physical security, cooling, cabling, electrical power, diesel generators, etc will be totally different there. 

I hate to point out that you're already condemned to a low wage there.  What do you have to lose by learning a more valuable skill?  And if everyone else got on the bandwagon getting the certification, you would be one of the first ones...so who cares if the guys coming later don't get the paycheck you do?

I still don't see what exactly 'the good life' is that you have? Yes I see it is better than being poor no doubt but I doubt see what you do in your life that makes it good?

I don't mean bad one of those boring read a book or just lay out there on the sun lounger types, but there must be some more pleasant places and lifestyle than where you are and what you are doing? Nothing that you do would make me feel like I would have a good life in your position aside from owning two houses. I could see the potential there for it to deliver all sorts for me, go anywhere, do anything, enjoy virtually anything rather than the same old same.

If your girl is from west Ukraine then your odds are not good of her ever coming to be with you even after the war. The are often highly patriotic and tied to Ukraine, that area and those areas are often decently scenic enough for them not to want to leave. You could have placed your bets on the wrong area Beefarmer.

It wouldn't surprise me if she came up with another excuse after the war, have to help crippled servicemen, etc. You might get lucky and she goes to you, anything can happen but I don't think your odds srd good from thd situation so far. It sounds like she would rather be nearer her family than you, perhaps she has already chosen

I don't think you understand the UK Beefarmer, here wages for pretty much any mainstream job are flat, there are so many people with qualifications in all sorts of different stuff that there is an oversupply of people who are skilled in most industry areas. The only place you might get higher is, Stockbroker or similar, top Software Engineers, top Doctors/Medical Consultants, possibly top Lab Scientists, possibly top Tech guys, maybe top Sales guys, MP's, etc. That is about it, essentially if you are top (exceptional) in Maths you can get something good paying as most people aren't good in Maths.

The whole education/training/careers has run it's course here, everyone is trained up in almost everything. Remember here Uni and most other training is virtually all funded by the government. Student loans are written off over here and don't count on the credit file. So anyone who ain't thick or unwilling does qualifications. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon here and apart from Maths everything is easy enough for most to get into.

So a free learning course followed by a $250 assessment is going to be no barrier for anyone. I have already looked up facility maintenance jobs and they are the usual £20,000 - £30,000 pay range that is typical for nearly all jobs here. Believe me the will have more than enough Electricians, Plumbers, etc to service those days centres. They didn't build them with no one able to service them around. In the UK whatever you can think of is usually basically been done.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench,
  Like Bill says, "You don't know what you don't know."

If you want to rent a studio or one bedroom apartment, they are going to check your ID and paperwork.  If you want to live in housing like an illegal, you have a friend/family who is in the US legally who rents a place, and then 10 illegals live in the one bedroom apartment with him.  What person with legal residency are you going to use to rent the place and let you live there?

Illegal immigrants have to work for cash jobs.  They will be doing plumbing work, in the crawl space in raw sewage, busting their knuckles because it is the only work they can get.

Only the biggest cities have public transportation.  America has very, very little public transport.

You will need a lot more money than renting out your house will provide you if you want to live in America unless you want to live in a homeless tent camp.

Not necessarily so, I could just buy a property in the US instead of rent:

http://www.redfin.com/guides/buy-a-house-not-us-citizen

The above link telling that any foreigner (non US citizens) including UK citizens can buy a property in the US. Just the right financing option/balance and location would need to be sorted out.

I could visit Mexico for a holiday first then get a free flight in

In the US I can get three times the salary for a job that requires a bit of skill, effort or hard work than it would pay in the UK. The US rewards people for hard work, the UK does not. The UK just takes the pee out of people working hard by taking advantage of them so the people at the very top, the big business owners get big profits.

Mind you if we are going to be nuked in the near future perhaps an abode in South America would be a better investment.

[Bee Farmer]

I still don't see what exactly 'the good life' is that you have? Yes I see it is better than being poor no doubt but I doubt see what you do in your life that makes it good?

Have you ever grown a fruit tree, pruned it, and watched it grow and produce fruit?  Have you ever accomplished something?  There is a quiet joy in personal accomplishments.  If you know, you know.  I just had a batch of chicks hatch out in the incubator.  Do you know how much enjoyment it is watching chicks hatch and grow up?

I don't mean bad one of those boring read a book or just lay out there on the sun lounger types, but there must be some more pleasant places and lifestyle than where you are and what you are doing? Nothing that you do would make me feel like I would have a good life in your position aside from owning two houses. I could see the potential there for it to deliver all sorts for me, go anywhere, do anything, enjoy virtually anything rather than the same old same.

I'm not a sex tourist, so that doesn't appeal to me.  You will never find happiness somewhere else, if you can't find happiness where you are with the same old, same old.  The grass is always greener...

I don't think you understand the UK Beefarmer, here wages for pretty much any mainstream job are flat, there are so many people with qualifications in all sorts of different stuff that there is an oversupply of people who are skilled in most industry areas. The only place you might get higher is, Stockbroker or similar, top Software Engineers, top Doctors/Medical Consultants, possibly top Lab Scientists, possibly top Tech guys, maybe top Sales guys, MP's, etc. That is about it, essentially if you are top (exceptional) in Maths you can get something good paying as most people aren't good in Maths.

So what you are saying is, there's plenty of jobs to make more money...except they are jobs you won't learn how to do.

So a free learning course followed by a $250 assessment is going to be no barrier for anyone. I have already looked up facility maintenance jobs and they are the usual £20,000 - £30,000 pay range that is typical for nearly all jobs here. Believe me the will have more than enough Electricians, Plumbers, etc to service those days centres.

I bet if you looked on job boards, you would find vacancies.

Add 50% to the pay range.  That's just the base salary, not the bonuses and stocks on top of the base salary.

A £30,000 salary with another £15,000 in stocks and bonuses is £45,000 total comp.  That's about $57,000 USD.  That's enough for a middle class lifestyle and to be able to get a girl next door type of girl.

Not necessarily so, I could just buy a property in the US instead of rent:

You can't afford to finish your remodel job, and you think you can pay cash for a house in America?

The above link telling that any foreigner (non US citizens) including UK citizens can buy a property in the US. Just the right financing option/balance and location would need to be sorted out.

if you're an illegal immigrant and you don't have the I-9 verification to be allowed to work, then the only jobs you can get are cash under the table jobs.  That means the only financing you can get is 100% down.  You can't get a mortgage without income verification for the past 2 years.

In the US I can get three times the salary for a job that requires a bit of skill, effort or hard work than it would pay in the UK.

Only if you get an I-9 so you are allowed to work.  If you are an illegal immigrant, you can only get a job for $15 an hour cash doing landscaping or construction.

The US rewards people for hard work, the UK does not.

You're the one who chooses to live there instead of here.  Believe it or not, the US does allow British people to immigrate to here.  A guy I hung around with in my teens and early 20's ended up marrying a British girl.  She came here to work for a British company...and ended up marrying Tom.  She makes more money then he did, so he quit his factory job.  He is a kept man and stays home with the kids, and works on the family farm.  That could have been you.

[Trenchcoat]

Have you ever grown a fruit tree, pruned it, and watched it grow and produce fruit?  Have you ever accomplished something?  There is a quiet joy in personal accomplishments.  If you know, you know.  I just had a batch of chicks hatch out in the incubator.  Do you know how much enjoyment it is watching chicks hatch and grow up?

I'm not a sex tourist, so that doesn't appeal to me.  You will never find happiness somewhere else, if you can't find happiness where you are with the same old, same old.  The grass is always greener...

So what you are saying is, there's plenty of jobs to make more money...except they are jobs you won't learn how to do.

I bet if you looked on job boards, you would find vacancies.

Add 50% to the pay range.  That's just the base salary, not the bonuses and stocks on top of the base salary.

A £30,000 salary with another £15,000 in stocks and bonuses is £45,000 total comp.  That's about $57,000 USD.  That's enough for a middle class lifestyle and to be able to get a girl next door type of girl.

You can't afford to finish your remodel job, and you think you can pay cash for a house in America?

if you're an illegal immigrant and you don't have the I-9 verification to be allowed to work, then the only jobs you can get are cash under the table jobs.  That means the only financing you can get is 100% down.  You can't get a mortgage without income verification for the past 2 years.

Only if you get an I-9 so you are allowed to work.  If you are an illegal immigrant, you can only get a job for $15 an hour cash doing landscaping or construction.

You're the one who chooses to live there instead of here.  Believe it or not, the US does allow British people to immigrate to here.  A guy I hung around with in my teens and early 20's ended up marrying a British girl.  She came here to work for a British company...and ended up marrying Tom.  She makes more money then he did, so he quit his factory job.  He is a kept man and stays home with the kids, and works on the family farm.  That could have been you.

US work visas are very difficult to get to near impossible. It has to be shown that the company can't hire a US citizen to do the job. It usually has to be in a very specialised or unique field. So US companies in the shops aren't going to want to bother with that unless there is no other choice. In any case their preference would be for US citizens and not so welcoming of UK citizens. I don't know whether basis she got the work, it's a reach usually as they usually would interview so you would have to travel there for interview (obviously not necessarily so since video chat/post pandemic). Women have an advantage as they are literally more attractive to the hirers who are usually men, even if femal they may feel an affinity for the sisterhood. A man, unless you're a pretty boy or good socially, etc and get lucky your chances are not very good. If you're an everyday looking dude with anything less than exceptionally unique skills they can't find anywhere else you might as well be pissing in the wind, that is the joy that would be received.

I have bunged a few trees in my garden including a fruit tree, it hasn't born fruit yet but may do this year, I am hopeful. However while it was interesting to don't revolve my life around such activity on a continuous loop, there is other stuff to do.

You don't have to be a sex tourist to appreciate women, enjoy their company and oogling them Honestly, you don't have to get married & all serious just because you go out on a date with a Ukrainian woman, you are allowed to date not for sex and then go on and date another woman, so long as the other woman knows you've moved on.

You missed the point of the jobs I was describing, no these are jobs at the very top, there are not many of them again all, you are likely talking just a few percent of total jobs if that, way way less than 10 percent of jobs I am sure. You don't just rock up to those top paying jobs with some cheap and easy cert. Often many years of very difficult study in Maths, IT or similar is required and then when you get the job it will likely be highly stressful and difficult for most of the fed that get those jobs.

All the other jobs in the UK are for much the same money. If you busy z guy you might get some demanding Management job that pays around the £30,000 - £40,000 mark but obviously tins of people are after that work, only so many are considered then they are usually stressful possibly difficult numbers. Plus with the tax regime you won't get much more than the bracket below you on bog standard jobs. This isn't the US, Employers don't pay the money here, in fact if a UK person can work for a US company herd odds are hd will be treated better financially and otherwise than working for a UK company.

The house here has the potential to generate sound good money, also a mortgage is possible but how to go forth would vary. Not all houses in the US are expensive, there are less desirable areas though going to too much of an undesirable area obviously is not a good idea.

[krimster2]

uk vrs usa
if the UK somehow managed to become the USA's 51st state
it would be the POOREST state, worse than Mississippi which is the most phuqued up place I've ever seen in the USA, OMG!!!
in Mississippi, the brain synapses are slowed down, it takes people there ten minutes to say "Good Morning" cuz it's like GOOOOOOOD MOOOOORRRRRNNNIN

Trench, you come to America under a student visa. THEN get a work permit
then marry an ugly American woman who is an Anglophile and git yur USA passport
in a place like NYC you'd get "hit on"
everybody gets hit on in NYC (mainly gays hit on me when I was a youngun in NYC - at least they showed good taste, but "dream-on gurl" you can't touch this, especially with that outfit)

just sayin, you boyz gotta work with whatcha got
problem is, you boyz ain't got much "capital" either financial or intellectual, cuz you are "Poor Boyz"
and it takes money to make money - doncha know?
a connundrum for you to resolve

butcha better hurry - cuz the times they are a-changin, and NOT in your favor

intellectual capital
someone who knows chemistry can buy CBD for $500 kilo and convert it into a psychoactive Delta8/HHC acetate and sell it for 10 times that
and here in the USA, it's even legal now
walk into any vape shop and they'll buy your vape oil - cash
helpful tip: if yur gonna work in the drug industry, DO NOT eat yur own dog food, that was my BIG mistake!!!

also, in the USA, mfg ammunition is a good business as well, and isn't as hard as you think
automatic swaging machine for makin bullets or auto-casting + robotic reloaders
these are money makin machines...and all ya need is some work space
USA has hundreds of millions of guns - and they ALL need bullets/cartouches
during corona boxes of cartridges were as good as gold, and I treated them as such

if you have a spot, you can setup a small furnace for melting and casting metal
bronze costs less than $6 per pound
aluminum from beer cans
you can make a million different things and sell them a million different ways
you can get gemological training from GIA
http://www.gia.edu/gem-education/overview?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNqouuaohQMVARitBh1N-gsREAAYASAAEgK5HfD_BwE&gad_source=1
learn how to grade and buy gemstones
combine that with casting for jewelry

Imagination!
that is your creation!

a REALLY smart dewd, would setup a Ukrainian charity in the UK
and get local UKRAINIAN WOMEN to help ya do it!!!

then master the attention economy in Ukraine
you'd get fame, fortune, and ya know what follows those?
POOTY TANG!!!!
YUP!!!

as an alternative to the above...
you can do NOTHING and then blame the world for not givin you everything
oh wait, never mind....

don't bemoan your lack of access to high paying jobs
instead, make your own job, and hire yurself, and for once, get paid what you're actually worth, insteada makin profit for someone else...

you guys need to "wise-up" and stop bein "suckers"
or not...

[Trenchcoat]

uk vrs usa
if the UK somehow managed to become the USA's 51st state
it would be the POOREST state, worse than Mississippi which is the most phuqued up place I've ever seen in the USA, OMG!!!
in Mississippi, the brain synapses are slowed down, it takes people there ten minutes to say "Good Morning" cuz it's like GOOOOOOOD MOOOOORRRRRNNNIN

Trench, you come to America under a student visa. THEN get a work permit
then marry an ugly American woman who is an Anglophile and git yur USA passport
in a place like NYC you'd get "hit on"
everybody gets hit on in NYC (mainly gays hit on me when I was a youngun in NYC - at least they showed good taste, but "dream-on gurl" you can't touch this, especially with that outfit)

just sayin, you boyz gotta work with whatcha got
problem is, you boyz ain't got much "capital" either financial or intellectual, cuz you are "Poor Boyz"
and it takes money to make money - doncha know?
a connundrum for you to resolve

butcha better hurry - cuz the times they are a-changin, and NOT in your favor

intellectual capital
someone who knows chemistry can buy CBD for $500 kilo and convert it into a psychoactive Delta8/HHC acetate and sell it for 10 times that
and here in the USA, it's even legal now
walk into any vape shop and they'll buy your vape oil - cash
helpful tip: if yur gonna work in the drug industry, DO NOT eat yur own dog food, that was my BIG mistake!!!

also, in the USA, mfg ammunition is a good business as well, and isn't as hard as you think
automatic swaging machine for makin bullets or auto-casting + robotic reloaders
these are money makin machines...and all ya need is some work space
USA has hundreds of millions of guns - and they ALL need bullets/cartouches
during corona boxes of cartridges were as good as gold, and I treated them as such

if you have a spot, you can setup a small furnace for melting and casting metal
bronze costs less than $6 per pound
aluminum from beer cans
you can make a million different things and sell them a million different ways
you can get gemological training from GIA
http://www.gia.edu/gem-education/overview?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNqouuaohQMVARitBh1N-gsREAAYASAAEgK5HfD_BwE&gad_source=1
learn how to grade and buy gemstones
combine that with casting for jewelry

Imagination!
that is your creation!

a REALLY smart dewd, would setup a Ukrainian charity in the UK
and get local UKRAINIAN WOMEN to help ya do it!!!

then master the attention economy in Ukraine
you'd get fame, fortune, and ya know what follows those?
POOTY TANG!!!!
YUP!!!

as an alternative to the above...
you can do NOTHING and then blame the world for not givin you everything
oh wait, never mind....

don't bemoan your lack of access to high paying jobs
instead, make your own job, and hire yurself, and for once, get paid what you're actually worth, insteada makin profit for someone else...

you guys need to "wise-up" and stop bein "suckers"
or not...

Thanks Krim, the student visa route is in is a good idea, I would probably need a bit saved up first for student course fees and it depends his other things fit in, in my life. I'm kinda sorted on the girl front as it is but if I was interested in a US girl I would only want to do it if we were into each other not for the visa as I would just feel too low about doing it, kind of like what some FSW do but in reverse lol.

The furnace idea is an interesting information also. Would have to look into running costs of a small furnace but to be able to make almost anything could have it's uses and it's scope.

[krimster2]

runnin cost is small, you can go electric or propane gas for casting and get started by buying what you need on ebay for the price of a big screen tv
jewelry is the easiest to cast

[2tallbill]

Thanks Krim, the student visa route is in is a good idea, I would probably need a bit saved up first for student course fees and it depends his other things fit in, in my life.

Don't hit on the students, hit on the English teachers! I've dated a bunch of them back when I was single.