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« Reply #625 on: February 25, 2022, 06:39:11 AM »
The Talibans are now calling for seizure of hostilities and maintain peace with Ukraine and Russia. They are very concerned for civilian lives.  :o

http://www.newsweek.com/taliban-calls-russia-ukraine-peace-fear-civilians-afghanistan-1682616?amp=1

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« Reply #626 on: February 25, 2022, 06:40:12 AM »
For the moment the full-scale invasion hasn't started yet.
This is just a special operation.
But as Ukraine resists more casualties and destruction will come.
Urban warfare will push more civilians into the casualties column and will force RF to bring more military power into action.
Consequently more losses... Loop.
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« Reply #627 on: February 25, 2022, 06:40:56 AM »
The Talibans are now calling for seizure of hostilities and maintain peace with Ukraine and Russia. They are very concerned for civilian lives.  :o

http://www.newsweek.com/taliban-calls-russia-ukraine-peace-fear-civilians-afghanistan-1682616?amp=1

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« Reply #628 on: February 25, 2022, 07:00:39 AM »
One of the funnier cartoons I've seen. 
I'm going to have to try greeting clients in that position at my shop.
I wouldn't recommend it.
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« Reply #629 on: February 25, 2022, 07:04:23 AM »
The Talibans are now calling for seizure of hostilities and maintain peace with Ukraine and Russia. They are very concerned for civilian lives.
Isn't a seizure when someone falls down and starts shaking and stuff?   
 
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« Reply #630 on: February 25, 2022, 07:05:37 AM »
Some robotic bloke from the Russian military just said Russian troops took that airfield outside Kiev yesterday ,killing 200 Ukrainian troops and suffering no casualties.


I find those figures highly unlikely and the Russians have shown themselves to be liars.


Both countries can be frugal with the truth...so who knows what is true and what is false.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #631 on: February 25, 2022, 07:22:01 AM »
Isn't a seizure when someone falls down and starts shaking and stuff?


Yes it is. Whacha expect, it’s 5 AM and haven’t had my smoothie. :P

Hillary Clinton had come out blaming Trump for the current fate of Ukraine. Now, that’s what I call an alternate reality.
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« Reply #632 on: February 25, 2022, 07:25:20 AM »
I very much doubt that Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump was still President of the USA.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #633 on: February 25, 2022, 07:51:28 AM »
That short video of the "ghost of Kyiv " has been shown to be false by the BBC.


A lot of the video's out there of the war in Ukraine are false,although the one of the Russian tank deliberately crushing the car with the motorist still inside was true.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #634 on: February 25, 2022, 08:04:58 AM »
Good news the EU is now going to freeze the assets of Mad Vlad and his henchman Lavrov in Europe. :)
I'm not sure if what you stated is accurate, but I would say that isn't good news.    We (The US) started freezing Japanese assets prior to pearl harbor.  Japan considered it an act of war. 

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« Reply #635 on: February 25, 2022, 08:09:20 AM »
Less than the leftists have been doing for the past 50 years.  :deadhorse:


Last reply on this:


It must be eating your insides that these "leftists" are the only ones fighting to preserve the constitution and democracy.  8)
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« Reply #636 on: February 25, 2022, 08:34:41 AM »
I'm not sure if what you stated is accurate, but I would say that isn't good news.    We (The US) started freezing Japanese assets prior to pearl harbor.  Japan considered it an act of war. 

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Just been confirmed on the BBC.


It's also in the Financial Times and Forbes.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2022, 08:38:50 AM by Chelseaboy »
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« Reply #637 on: February 25, 2022, 08:40:55 AM »
Apparently, the battle to gain control of Kiev by the Ruskies may well go down like this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10551463/Russian-plan-Kyiv-revealed-intelligence.html
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« Reply #638 on: February 25, 2022, 08:57:05 AM »
Russian prisoner in Kharkiv confessing commander ordered to shoot civilians.


http://www.facebook.com/1001283403/videos/657971581973233/
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« Reply #639 on: February 25, 2022, 09:24:00 AM »
Unfortunately, the US these days have but a few, reliable journalists for the public to get unvarnished reliable news and reports. Hell, even social media driven by the big tech are highly unreliable.


So if any of the news outlet/s outside of the US have current reports about any NATO ally (aside from the US of course) had actually, or is beginning to, sent their nation's young further into eastern Europe to reinforce member nations closest to the hostilities. Do oblige.


For the life of me. all that's reported here in the US is sleepy Joe sending thousands of US troops to eastern Europe, but I don't see reports of France, Belgium, the UK, doing the same. I know a month or so ago, the UK did consider sending maybe a hundred, but that was before the invasion.
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« Reply #640 on: February 25, 2022, 09:43:47 AM »
So the alliance, after months of declaring there will be serious and severe economic sanction will be levied upon Russia if it ever invade Ukraine, most notably - depriving Russia from usage of SWIFT.


Now that the chicken had come to roost, it's evident that was merely a giant bluff. Germany and Belgium would much prefer preserving their nation's economic state than to administer their loyalty to the 'unity of an alliance'.


Interesting. Money still trumps integrity.
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« Reply #641 on: February 25, 2022, 10:34:27 AM »
So the alliance, after months of declaring there will be serious and severe economic sanction will be levied upon Russia if it ever invade Ukraine, most notably - depriving Russia from usage of SWIFT.


Now that the chicken had come to roost, it's evident that was merely a giant bluff. Germany and Belgium would much prefer preserving their nation's economic state than to administer their loyalty to the 'unity of an alliance'.


Interesting. Money still trumps integrity.


SWIFT is a lot more to that. All nations (about 11,000 financial institutions) rely on SWIFT.  In addition, SWIFT is NOT governed by anyone, it is an agreement between institutions.


Let's say that the majority of these institutions agree to deny Russia, which they can't. Russia has their own version of SWIFT, albeit not that efficient (for many reasons.) This would strengthen Russia's SWIFT which would undermine the West's ability to do finance. Not a good thing. Except for those who would love to see this country go to hell. And I'm not talking about the Russians or Chinese.  :P
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« Reply #642 on: February 25, 2022, 10:42:35 AM »
http://fb.watch/boPDzznZ5a/  (Warning: very graphic)
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« Reply #643 on: February 25, 2022, 11:01:29 AM »

SWIFT is a lot more to that. All nations (about 11,000 financial institutions) rely on SWIFT.  In addition, SWIFT is NOT governed by anyone, it is an agreement between institutions.


Let's say that the majority of these institutions agree to deny Russia, which they can't. Russia has their own version of SWIFT, albeit not that efficient (for many reasons.) This would strengthen Russia's SWIFT which would undermine the West's ability to do finance. Not a good thing. Except for those who would love to see this country go to hell. And I'm not talking about the Russians or Chinese.  :P


Then one wonders why even table this as a major part of their planned sanctioning tool? Report had it that Germany stood to lose as much as 150 Billion dollars if they did in fact complied to it. Sleepy Joe yesterday, when asked why, simply said 'we we're asked not to include this as part of the package (sanction)'. Did they not realize the fallacy using this as a threat against Russia?
 
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« Reply #644 on: February 25, 2022, 12:20:59 PM »
Why don't you ask that at your next WH intelligence briefing?
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« Reply #645 on: February 25, 2022, 12:25:20 PM »
Why don't you ask that at your next WH intelligence briefing?


Well I thought this was a reason you rode along as a call for cavalry?
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« Reply #646 on: February 25, 2022, 01:00:21 PM »
Update so far:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10550799/Ukraine-hits-airfield-Russia-missile-strike-blow-Putin-downing-six-helicopters.html

Looks like Putin's troops are sustaining a lot of losses. Ukraine some as well but it looks like Russia moreso. Apparently Russian troops are in a Kyivian suburb five miles north of the city centre. Whether the Russian advance will ground to a halt before it reaches the city centre who knows but they seem to be making slow progress. Many Russian helicopters and planes shot down and many Russian tanks destroyed with the anti tank rocket launchers the US & UK gave them.

All in all I kind of expected the Russian forces to go about it differently than this. They knew the Ukrainians had been given anti tank stuff yet they thrust all of their tanks and artillery in the line of fire when to my mind they should have thrown all their air power at them first then encircled the cities and cut of supply routes. To my mind there just doesn't seem any real thought or much planning at all by the Russians they just seem to think they can overpower the Ukrainians by brute force. I'm just not sure what the Russians are doing with all of their army whether they are throwing all they've got against the Ukrainians. If the Ukrainians can keep holding out against the Russians then who knows.

At least it's good to see the equipment we gave them paying off, if they can grind the Russians down enough it might be enough to put the Russians off.

Putin meanwhile is trying to get the Ukrainian military to overthrow Zelensky. Whether this is his signal to those within Ukraine that are willing to work with the Russians to jump into action or just desperation who knows, we'll find out soon I guess.
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« Reply #648 on: February 25, 2022, 03:40:12 PM »



Sky news interviewing Russians in Moscow tonight ..and they're saying for the first time in their lives they feel ashamed to be Russian..except for one old bat who said the reporter was lying about Kiev and Kharkiv being bombed by Russia.


Once again Mad Vlad pleading with the Ukrainian troops to turn on their drug-taking neo Nazi  :rolleyes:  President...the response was injured Ukrainian troops in hospitals saying they're going to get  out of their beds to fight the Russians again.


Russia has so far failed to take any major Ukraine cities.





Interestingly China didn't support Russia in the UN Security Council vote just now...seems they could be turning their back on Mad Vlad.
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« Reply #649 on: February 25, 2022, 05:33:38 PM »
Kyivians bracing themselves for an all out assault on their Capital tonight by Russian troops. They've basically got to throw the lot at them and hope they can hold the Russians off from reaching the city centre and taking Kyiv. If they can do that then there's a chance they can hold them off for quite some time. We'll see later in the morning how it went.
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