Members Poll on whether Russia will invade Ukraine

[Boethius]

Was discussing the situation with a UA guy I work with daily. Asked what Putin's motivations were to cause disruption in UA.

But I don't think Ukrainians do live better than Russians, at least, not economically.  Ukrainians are moving to Russia to work, not vice versa.


I do think Ukraine is much freer than Russia.

[Muzh]

Maybe we should be asking Rinat Akhmetov, Victor Pinchuk, Igor Abramovich,  senior figure in a pro-Russian party called “Opposition Platform — for Life”, Andrei Stavnitser, Boris Kolesnikov, Vadim Nesterenko, Vadym Novinsky, Vadym Stolar, and Vasyl Khmelnytsky why are they suddenly "vacationing" away from the motherland.
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[BC]

But I don't think Ukrainians do live better than Russians, at least, not economically.  Ukrainians are moving to Russia to work, not vice versa.

I do think Ukraine is much freer than Russia.

Boethius,

not necessarily written in the present tense.  More like "What happens if..." and the aspirations of Ukraine to be more aligned with EU/NATO etc.

By destabilizing the country, RU helps prevent this from happening.

[GQBlues]

Boethius,

not necessarily written in the present tense.  More like "What happens if..." and the aspirations of Ukraine to be more aligned with EU/NATO etc.

By destabilizing the country, RU helps prevent this from happening.

You think maybe Ukraine's own politicians had pretty much 'destabilized' the country pretty well already?

I mean, after all, I seriously doubt any 'stable' nation would be keen to appoint the likes of Hunter Biden to chair their nation's energy department. What do you think? (Well OK, considering Shroeder is actually making a living doing just that, let's exempt Germany on that list. Heheh)..

Hell, every now and then I see those TV ads asking for monthly contribution to help feed those starving, near-frozen and lonely, blanket-clad Ukrainian Jewish babushkas. Breaks my heart every time I see that ad, too.

[Boethius]

Hunter Biden wasn't "chair(ing) the nation's energy department".  He sat on the board a a Cypriot registered natural gas company operating in Ukraine. 

[GQBlues]

Burisma, while registered in Cyprus, is a natural gas producer owned by a Ukrainian Mykola Zlochevsky, based in Kyiv, operating IN Ukraine.

 

[Boethius]

Yes, and that is why I posted that it is a Cypriot registered company operating in Ukraine.


The point is that Burisma was not aligned with the Ukrainian government.  In fact, Mykola Zlochevesky was under investigation at the time Hunter Biden was appointed to Burisma's board.  Zlochevsky, aligned with Yanukovych, was/is corrupt, and did issue government licences to companies he controlled, but that ended in 2012, before Biden was named to the board.

[ML]

So the majority of those who answered were wrong.

[Jumper1]

Yes sir, I was absolutely wrong.
I actually felt Puti was playing his usual.chess amoungst other world leaders playing checkers.
I did not think he would invade as I thought him clever amd manipulative enough to get.his way with bluffs.
I din't see and still don't see,  I winning scenario for Russia in a global economy with this move regardless how smoothly or not so we it could have gone.
This action was  unlikely to be positive long-term and he typically is more calculating.

[Boethius]

I voted yes, although honestly, I didn't think he would invade and posted that in the past.  Mostly, I believed that because I didn't see what he would want with Ukraine.

[Chelseaboy]

I voted yes..but the longer it went on without an invasion the less likely i thought it would happen.

[BC]

So the majority of those who answered were wrong.

Indeed.  I was wrong as well.

Guess I had too much hope Putin would remain somewhat reasonable with his demands.

[Patagonie]

When I shot my video on the 22nd of January my mind was already clear,
 

[Trenchcoat]

Interesting to note how many were right in this poll and how many were wrong, should have had members names to put to it I think. Me being one of those that were right of course

[Grumpy]

Next poll--whether China will invade Taiwan 

Observing the current situation in Ukraine, and the world's reaction,  China might well forget about Taiwan. It would be a much better to play the hero and liberate their fellow Asians in Siberia from the imperialists in Moscow. (Kick Putin in the arse while his pants are down!) 

[2tallbill]

So the majority of those who answered were wrong.

I thought/hoped that it wouldn't happen. I was wrong

[ML]

From what I gather . . . myself (ML), Boe, Chelseaboy, and Trench were 4 of the 6 who voted yes.

[Chelseaboy]

The Russian government does not want to invade Ukraine. It appears the West (US/UK etc.) are either setting up a provocation or false flag event. The nature of military armaments being provided/offered to Ukraine is provocative.

The Russian government will invade if it believes its security is at risk by not taking action. It will ultimately prevail in any conventional conflict and I don't believe it wants to occupy Ukraine. Poland discovered in war games that it would be taken over in a matter of days if Russia invaded, it would be a similar story for Ukraine.

If it does happens those in Europe can look forward to an economic depression which will spread internationally due to globalisation. WW3 has already started it just hasn't been declared.

This post of yours has worn well hasn't it ?


So much for Ukraine being taken over in a matter of days eh ?


Clearly you're totally clueless.

[Chelseaboy]

Poland discovered in war games that it would be taken over in a matter of days if Russia invaded, it would be a similar story for Ukraine

Reality check.


It's now day 24 of the war .


Oh..and Ukraine claim to have just killed another Russian  General ..Lieutenant -General Andrei Mordvichen ..Commander of the 8th General Army...that would make five Russian Generals killed.


Any more pearls of wisdom Putin fanboy  ?

[ML]

Oh..and Ukraine claim to have just killed another Russian  General ..Lieutenant -General Andrei Mordvichen ..Commander of the 8th General Army...that would make five Russian Generals killed.

WOW . . . any military historians here know if this is unprecedented ?

[ML]

A quick google search found:

Maj Gen Harold Greene, killed by an Afghan soldier in an insider attack.

Lt Gen Timothy Maude was killed when a passenger plane crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11.

Maj Gen John Albert B Dillard Jr was killed during the Vietnam War when his helicopter was shot down in 1970.

Major Gen Keith Lincoln Ware killed in Vietnam in 1968.

Lieutenant General Walton Walker.  Killed December 23, 1950 when his command jeep collided with a civilian truck near Uijeongbu as he inspected positions north of Seoul.

Major General Bryant E. Moore.  Died of a heart attack in Korea on February 24, 1951, after his helicopter had crashed into the Han River during Operation Killer.

Lt Gen Simon Bolivar Buckner Jr was killed in the final days of the Battle for Okinawa during World War Two.

[LAman]

WOW . . . any military historians here know if this is unprecedented ?

Depends on how far you wanted to go back.
I believe at least a dozen US generals were killed during Vietnam war.
Civil War it was ~124 generals.