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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2018, 05:34:51 AM »
Sorry to hear about the storm. I wonder where the safest place in the world could be. How do they give those names to storms, according to what?

I honestly don't know where the safest place (regarding weather) is now.  As climate change continues, weather conditions get more extreme.  Atlantic and Eastern Pacific hurricanes have a list of names which are reused every few years, unless one gets retired because of the damage it caused (e.g. Hurricane Sandy).  Western Pacific typhoons are referred to by different names in different countries.

With hurricanes, firestorms, extreme droughts and now blizzards and winter storms, most parts of the world are affected somehow.

1.Is it where the Tasmanian devil comes from? :) I remember a cartoon with him.

No.  The Tasmanian Devil comes from the island of Tasmania in Australia.  Forget whatever you have seen in cartoons - they are ferocious predators, but the whole species is suffering from a crippling facial disease which is killing a large proportion of the entire population.  There is no known cure.

Who are the Maori?

The Maori are the original settlers of New Zealand, arriving here (as legend would have it) in several great canoes between about 1100 and 1300.  Their mythical homeland is Hawaiiki (not be confused with Hawaii), which most anthropologists now believe is likely to have been Taiwan.

4. Glow-worms? Are they real worms? I googled for them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowworm#/media/
File:Arachnocampa_luminosa_larvae.jpg must be really beautiful  :D :D :D I hope they are not edible

Not real worms, and definitely not to be eaten - they are totally protected.

5.Oh, really??? Is it located also there? OMG. What is it like? are there hobbits who entertain tourists?

Hobbits aren't real.  ;D  There are tours of the farm and the film set - I haven't been there myself, so I don't know about the entertainment!

Having read all about the places of attraction you mentioned above, I noticed this impressive language that you use in your descriptions, which cannot leave one indifferent. Are you not a paid-up tour guide who encourages people from all over the world to travel and spend their money on tourism in New Zealand??  :D

There used to be overseas tour companies (usually from the USA) which offered their clients the chance to have a dinner at home with a "typical" New Zealand family, usually on the last night before they fly home (it may still happen - I don't know).  My mother was one of the hosts for these groups for several years, as a result of which we met many interesting people, some of whom are still friends to this day.  I would always play the role of tour guide, telling them about Auckland and usually taking them up one of our volcanoes to see the city at night, before taking them back to their hotel.

I did (and still do) the same sort of thing if I find myself sitting next to a tourist on a flight within New Zealand.

I would gladly travel there to see all these places but I wouldn't like to live there as you say there are frequent earthquakes and storms. This is not typical for Russia, but we've got our own issues. You never know )

Don't misunderstand me - although there are small earthquakes in certain parts of the country (NOT Auckland), really big earthquakes don't happen often.  Even then, they don't kill as many people as in Napier and Christchurch.  Even the Kaikoura earthquake in 2016, which was quite big, only killed two people.  Sub-tropical storms are rare - maybe one every three or four years, and they normally only affect the north and east of the North Island.  Ones like last week, affecting most of the country, are extremely rare.

If you ever come to New Zealand, I would be delighted to show you around.  I've made the same offer in general to all the members of this forum but, so far, nobody has travelled this far from home.  :(

As for the rest questions, back to the discussion of what I don't really want to discuss. As we all know in all kinds of conflicts there are two sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle. So according to information we get through our mass media we build our judgement (that. It is a good way of controlling one's opinion, attitude, mind in general.
I am not sure if you are able to read the following article in russian language (it is essential) the background to conflict

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The executive authorities of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea didn't agree to consider the legitimacy of the new Ukrainian government and appealed for help and assistance to Russia.
After the referendum by the new authorities of the above mentioned territories, the population over there were asked to consider the possibility of Crimea to become a part of Russia. As the result they joined us.

Sorry, but I my Russian is very limited.  However, as jone has pointed out above, the Crimean Parliament was held at gunpoint until it requested assistance from Russia.  The so-called "referendum," which has not been acknowledged as legitimate by any country other than Russia, asked two questions - do you want to become part of Russia now, or later?  It had no option to maintain the status of Crimea as an autonomous republic within Ukraine.  While a proper referendum would quite possibly have still had the same result, it would certainly NOT have had a 97% vote in favour of becoming part of Russia - and nor would there have been places where the number of votes cast was 25% (or more) greater than the total population of the area!

Has anyone seen what a nightmare there was? Civilians, innocent people killed by the army of their own government. Everything was being destroyed.

Which people are you talking about?  If you mean those who died in the Maidan, they were not killed by their own army - they were killed by snipers from the Secret Service, almost certainly acting on the orders of Yanukovich.  There are three or four members of this forum who were actually in the Maidan at the time, and witnessed exactly what was going on.  Thanks to them, we're lucky that we don't have to rely on ANY news service for a description of the events.

No way can anything have more value than human life. We live in modern society, 21 century.
I am not following the news ever since then. Sorry, I am out of discussion on that topic.

I would also like to opt out of such a discussion.  However, it is a legitimate topic if someone from the west is contemplating a relationship with a Russian woman.  While I would love to meet you, and use your services as a guide, I can't see us ever developing a romantic relationship (especially as I'm old enough to be your father!), because our opinions on this topic are obviously a long way apart.

The longer you stay on this forum, the more arguments you will see between members on certain topics - but you will also see those same members agreeing on certain other things.  The joys of the internet!  :cheesy:


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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2018, 12:19:29 PM »
Good Morning, Lena,

I know that you don't want to read about these things, but there are some little tidbits you should know:

1.  The change of government and ouster of Yanukovych was supported by both the Western Ukrainians and by the Party of Regions.  It was not just Western Ukrainian influences.

2.  The impetus for rebellion in Eastern Ukraine was influenced by Russian sponsored activists (mostly GRU). 
A small story that illustrates this point is that when the "Separatists" sought to take over the Admin Building / Seat of Government in Kharkov, they accidentally got the building wrong and attacked the Opera House!  LOL!
Not exactly an uprising by the local population.  Even I know the difference between the Admin Building and the Opera House in Kharkiv.

3.  While the Crimean legislative body did vote to associate itself with Russia, it was done in an early morning session and with the presence of guns that were brought in by Russian GRU members.

The simple fact is that Russia could not accept a pro-Western Ukraine at its doorstep.  Just as the United States would probably never accept an anti-US government in Mexico.  So Russia acted in its own interest. 
V.V. Putin later admitted that the 'Green Men' that appeared in Crimea were Russian soldiers.  And most of the military that fought in the Donbas and Lugansk were, indeed, Russian soldiers as well.

I noticed these elements missing from the Wikipedia article you referenced.

Presence of guns? I am so sorry to continue this conversation, but I feel that I have to. I was born in Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, have lived all my life here, my mother was born in Belarus, I studied the political history, have lots of friends and relatives, have been to Crimea at our friend's home who was finally glad to live again in the same country with her own son.

Let us look back into the history

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К XVI веку Османская империя перешла к стратегической обороне, основными компонентами которой было строительство крепостей в устьях рек, создание своего рода буферной зоны — безлюдной территории «Дикого поля», перенос вооружённой борьбы с северными соседями — Польшей и Россией — вглубь польских и российских владений, используя для этого зависимое от неё Крымское ханство[3].

С конца XV века Крымское ханство совершало постоянные набеги на Русское государство и Речь Посполитую. Основная цель набегов — захват рабов и их перепродажа на турецких рынках. Общее число рабов, прошедших через крымские рынки, оценивается в три миллиона человек[4].

By the 16th century the Ottoman Empire shifted to strategic defense, the main components of which were the construction of fortresses in the mouths of rivers, the creation of a kind of buffer zone - the uninhabited territory of the Wild Field, the transfer of armed struggle against its northern neighbors - Poland and Russia - deep into the Polish and Russian possessions, using for this the Crimean Khanate, which was dependent on it.

Since the end of the XV century, the Crimean Khanate made constant raids on Russian state and the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. The main purpose of the raids is to capture slaves and resell them in Turkish markets.

Russo-Turkish war 1768-1774

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21 июля 1774 года Османская империя вынуждена была подписать с Россией Кючук-Кайнарджийский договор. В результате войны, закончившейся победой Российской империи, в её состав вошли первые земли в Крыму — крепости Керчь и Еникале (остальной Крым был присоединён к России на 9 лет позже — в 1783 году), на северном побережье Чёрного моря — Кинбурн с прилегающими территориями, а также Азов и Кабарда. Крымское ханство формально обрело независимость под протекторатом России. Россия получила право вести торговлю и обладать военным флотом на Чёрном море.

The war resulted in Russian Empire acquiring some parts of Crimea. The rest part of it was annexed 9 years later in 1783.
The Crimean Khanate formally gained independence under the protectorate of Russia.

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The modern history of the Crimea begins with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire by Catherine the Great in 1783 and the handing over of the Crimea by the Ottoman Empire to Russia as part of the Treaty provision. After two centuries of conflict, the Russian fleet had destroyed the Ottoman navy and the Russian army had inflicted heavy defeats on the Ottoman land forces.

Annexation of Crimea by Russian Empire

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Empire

The territory of Crimea, previously controlled by the Crimean Khanate, was annexed by the Russian Empire on 19 April [O.S. 8 April] 1783.[1] The period before the annexation was marked by Russian interference in Crimean affairs, a series of revolts by Crimean Tatars, and Ottoman ambivalence. The annexation began many years of Russian rule in Crimea, which ended with the transfer of the territory to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954. Russia annexed Crimea for a second time in March 2014, though that annexation is not recognised internationally.[2][3]

In soviet times we were basically the same government with the Ukraine.

Belarus and Ukraine also for the first time gained statehood as a consequence of the Great October Revolution in the USSR republics. And only in 1991 (also from Russia) they gained their full independence.

There were several attempts by Crimea to get back to Russia in the history after it had been separated from us. Even Sevastopol wasn't really Ukrainian by status though it stopped being Russian as well. There have been issues over that territory for all these years: P.S. sorry, i am not translating the articles because it is too much.
You can use the google translator, not just a different language version of this website if you like to get deeper into the topic.

Transfer of Crimea in 1954
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1 октября 1991 Президиум Верховного Совета Крыма выступил с заявлением, в котором назвал акт передачи Крыма Украине в 1954 году совершённым «без учета мнения народа», и, отметив, что в сложившейся ситуации «мы не считали бы оправданным ставить сегодня вопрос о пересмотре границ», призвал «уважать право крымчан строить свою государственность на основе референдума, если это будет вызвано изменением политической ситуации»[32]. 22 ноября парламент Крыма рассматривал возможность обращения к президенту СССР Михаилу Горбачёву с просьбой об отмене указа Президиума ВС СССР 1954 года о передаче Крыма в состав Украинской ССР, однако решение принято не было[33].

В результате обострения противостояния на Украине в феврале 2014 года председатель Верховного Совета Крыма Владимир Константинов заявил, что в случае смещения центральной власти Украины, парламент АР Крым может денонсировать решение Президиума ЦК КПСС от 1954 года о передаче Крыма Украине[39][Комм 2]. В декабре 2014 года он назвал присоединение Крыма к Российской Федерации, осуществлённое в феврале—марте того же года, «исправлением исторической несправедливости 1954 года»[44].

Legal Status of Sevastopol

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Постановление Президиума Верховного Совета РСФСР от 5 февраля 1954 года «О передаче Крымской области из состава РСФСР в состав УССР», одноимённый Указ Президиума Верховного Совета СССР от 19 февраля 1954 года и Закон СССР от 26 апреля 1954 года по данному вопросу не содержат какого-либо упоминания о Севастополе.

В условиях противостояния президента и парламента России, вылившегося осенью 1993 года в разгон Верховного Совета, постановление Верховного Совета исполнено не было[38][39], а в принятой 12 декабря 1993 года Конституции Российской Федерации упоминание о Севастополе как субъекте Российской Федерации отсутствовало[40].

23 августа 1994 года Севастопольский городской совет народных депутатов провозгласил «российский статус города» и обратился к властям РФ и Украины с просьбой закрепить его[41]. Решение было отменено Верховной радой Украины[42][43].

The Sevastopol city council proclaimed the russian status of the city and asked Ukraine and Russia to legitimize it, but Supreme Council of Ukraine turned it down.

Not sure if you can read those articles in russian. Please use your google translator or ask me if you come across something you can't understand in those articles. I will try to help.
Just a little history between former parts of the same government.

Probably it is worth getting back to the very beginning, the times of us being just tribes on one land and times of Kievan Rus' and its earliest princes, who knows, maybe we will find some differences between how they teach us history at our schools and universities. But I don't feel like doing that after I graduated from school)))

The majority of Crimean population has never felt like ukrainian. Some were born there when it was russian before becoming ukrainian. So guns? Imagine you would use guns against your closest neighbours, who historically are people of the same country for more than a hundred years, some may be members of your families, speak the same language, and feel like russian. And after they are "seized" they get social privileges and support, when the resources that could have been spent on your people's social lives, (pensions and other) get spent on that "seized" region.







http://www.pravda.ru/politics/authority/18-03-2017/1327700-mneniya-0/

To cut it short, it was Crimean natives' own free will with the support of Russia. The only reason there could be russians with guns is to protect and keep the whole thing calm, in terms of the whole situation it must have been reasonable. Speaking of the Donbass, the western part of which is russian, in order to support the inhabitants of the Donbass, humanitarian aid was sent. What V.V. admits, is that the military in the Donbass that was mentioned in your post appeared there after people, including civillians, started being killed with the help of the tanks, artillery and systems of salvo fire. Would anyone say that those methods of war are acceptable?

People who were born in Crimea in USSR and grew up and became a part of Ukraine, then a part of Russia are now happy. It is what people living there say. The natives who are russian in their blood.
What about the power blackout in 2015 by anti-russian activists? The whole peninsular was cut off from electricity and cooked shashlik for the whole week because they could not store meat anymore without electricity.
Thank you for your attention. I suggest each of us keeps to his own opinion about the whole situation because it is how people's minds are controlled. And I am not into conflicts.
I am done.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2018, 12:30:45 PM »
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2018, 01:14:06 PM »

Welcome!

Never mind the political discussion in your introduction.
People would not do so in person, but thats part of internet forums.

You do seemingly  have a talent for languages  and a better command of English than most posters, myself included :)


An educated, young RW with great English offering a friendly contact , and possible guide service , to one of the world's most beautiful cities is the dream of most forums of this type. When single and traveling I certainly would have appreciated  such a good contact .

So , Elena, my advice is just ignore the random noise here, you've already done well at it,and hopefully make some good contacts!


By the way, my wife has been in the West some years now,  and says that while humans are humans everywhere, with much the same traits, family oriented men without issues seem more abundant here(she notices my married friends and their active role in their child's lives,as well as my divorced friends and their active life in their children's lives as well)
Just her observation of course(and I'm the world's best father and husband, so she has a strong bias) :)
 but many of her FSU friends share this view, regardless if they are here in the West single,  married to same culture, or married to a western man.
 :welcome:

Thank you!

I never really liked any political discussions but it is not pleasant when people treat you upon their political view and general attitude to our country through the glass of mass media or maybe also historical studies that we all get at schools. When I was on my car trip to Montenegro last summer, we drove through Belarus, Poland, Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia and reached Montenegro. I can say that the atmosphere in those countries felt like as follows: Belarus feels like Russia, but more open-minded, Poland - absolutely indifferent, maybe cold a bit, Serbia and Montenegro seem to love russians, though they say there are those who do and the rest who don't. Like there is a split. It is just in the air.
But russian women are for sure in demand in Montenegro and Serbia (by saying russian I mean women from FSU) I had never got that much attention before and people seemed really nice and funny. Maybe because they have many sunny days a year. And that makes me think they are in demand elsewhere and with much better attitude and responsibility.

That is so pleasant to find out that the world's best fathers and husbands exist. :)


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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2018, 09:08:37 PM »
Elenushka-- the topic starter, welcome and don't forget that the men who have replied to you are ,mostly, russophobes. The young generation in the USA are far more friendly and their collective brain is LESS masterminded by the FAKE MEDIA.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2018, 11:27:38 PM »
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That is so pleasant to find out that the world's best fathers and husbands exist. :)

I don't claim that title,
 but my wife gives it to me regardless my  faults ;)
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2018, 12:56:01 AM »
Hi Elena

Have you ever been in Russia, Saint-Petersburg?
Both.

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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2018, 02:04:53 AM »
Elenushka-- the topic starter, welcome and don't forget that the men who have replied to you are ,mostly, russophobes. The young generation in the USA are far more friendly and their collective brain is LESS masterminded by the FAKE MEDIA.

 :ROFL:

Now I realise that you may not be including me in the 'russophobe' list, but that's what I'm called in another place for pointing out that those sitting in the Kremlin:

 Control the TV output in the big four TV stns and make life HELL for independents - using  Roskomnadzor ( media Regulator) - so much for 'Fake News'

Moscow was pumping out utter tripe about Nazi's and Juntas - the former being an insult to most Ukrainians who lost loved-ones in the Great Patriotic War

Crimea was an agreed part of UKRAINE and Ukraine gave up it's Nuclear defence capability to be 'protected' by Russia, France, UK and USA - Budapest Memorandum

The MILITARY intervention in Crimea was long planned and Moscow put a fear in the people of the Peninsula that was needless - the Ukrainians could NEVER have wrested control of the peninsula with 25-30K RU military personnel there... and we saw what happened when Russia decided to confiscate UA military hardware and surround UA bases...

NO 'Russians' got killed, but an unarmed UA officer was killed in custody - shot during a fight with one of his 'guards 'and a Tatar 'activist' - turned up dead. 

The 'Referendum' was a joke - as was the result... '97 percent' ..

Crimea was ethnically Russian and it should be clear to all that this was a Kremlin stunt - to divert attention from internal woes.  It has done tremendous damage to Russia's reputation internationally and few nations trust her((



This 'russophobe' spends half his life in Russia and I have no issues with her people - just the leadership













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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2018, 02:55:52 PM »
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I studied at two schools: with advanced studies in arts and advanced studies in English, I chose it as one of my Unified State Exams when I graduated. I have practiced it since then and that's it. I wanted to become an interpreter or a tour guide, because l felt like I am gifted in understanding foreign languages. But I managed to graduate as an engineer and fell in love. But well, thank you who noticed that, I will take it as a compliment. :)




Elena,


Welcome to RWD!


I think it is the right thing for you to be looking abroad for a partner. From my 13 years of marriage and life in the US as well as reading several forums all this time - I think you will be very successful. You are young, smart, have great English already, and very good education that is transferable to the US with some additional studying/licensing.


Just two pieces of friendly advice:


1. Avoid those men that complain about ALL western women and have nothing good to say about them.Also those that never managed to have a relationship with a woman from their own country.


2. 99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin.  ;D
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2018, 03:45:18 PM »
99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin.  ;D
Dunno, most men are keen to hand over their seed freely enough... ;D

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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2018, 04:14:02 PM »
2. 99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin.  ;D





I like taking women. But I'm also a giver. I work 8 hours a day on the job for my wife. When I come home, I work another 8 hours in the house for her. And at night, she makes me work another 8 hours. She doesn't let me rest!
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2018, 11:25:41 AM »

Based off what I read from women's profiles, a real man may be one or more for the following: Caring, responsible, honest, hard working, taking care of family financially and taking care of any other needs of the family, a gentleman, strong physically and emotionally, and dependable. There's a few more but you get the idea. Are those traits you would hope to find in a future husband?

I would reeeeaaaly hope to find those traits, preferably in one single man. And he better not be married yet. They usually are either married or have negative experience by now. It is so freezing outside, I guess they are hiding well, somewhere. :)

What traits do you consider for a real quality woman?

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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2018, 03:58:36 PM »



 It is so freezing outside.......

 

Got out before the freeeeeeeze )))
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #63 on: January 16, 2018, 10:22:56 PM »
What traits do you consider for a real quality woman?





Intelligent, beautiful, kind, good manners, responsible, caring and a person of integrity.




I also like a woman that accepts roles in the relationship. Some men and women like 50-50 taking turns on chores. My wife and I don't. She does the dishes, cooks, washes clothes, cleans house. I take care of the outside, take care of her car, bring in the money. When she is sick, I will help her.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2018, 09:49:59 AM »
Elenushka-- the topic starter, welcome and don't forget that the men who have replied to you are ,mostly, russophobes. The young generation in the USA are far more friendly and their collective brain is LESS masterminded by the FAKE MEDIA.
ELENUSHKA, YOU ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND SMART AND CAN FIND A LOT OF EXCELLENT AMERICAN GUYS OF YOUR AGE HERE IN US. WISHING YOU THE VERY BEST  IN YOUR SEARCH!
Ludmila, thank you very much for those words of appreciation! I am grateful to find so many kind people out there at least via the Internet.

I don't claim that title,
 but my wife gives it to me regardless my  faults ;)


I guess you deserve it, relationship is like a job of commitment, and after so many years I finally understand how it becomes more difficult with time to get into a new relationship and save it for the rest of life. A child requires their parents to have wide range of skills as well. No.1 is multitasking ^^)
That is what my job all about.

Hi Elena
Both.
Climate is horrible, people are people wherever you go.
 Yes, on a lead in a street in Kishinev and again outside Hermitage.


In Kishinev? Moldova? when did you travel there?
Where are you from? what climate do you have? :) all things are known by comparison

:ROFL:

Now I realise that you may not be including me in the 'russophobe' list, but that's what I'm called in another place for pointing out that those sitting in the Kremlin:

 Control the TV output in the big four TV stns and make life HELL for independents - using  Roskomnadzor ( media Regulator) - so much for 'Fake News'

Moscow was pumping out utter tripe about Nazi's and Juntas - the former being an insult to most Ukrainians who lost loved-ones in the Great Patriotic War

Crimea was an agreed part of UKRAINE and Ukraine gave up it's Nuclear defence capability to be 'protected' by Russia, France, UK and USA - Budapest Memorandum

The MILITARY intervention in Crimea was long planned and Moscow put a fear in the people of the Peninsula that was needless - the Ukrainians could NEVER have wrested control of the peninsula with 25-30K RU military personnel there... and we saw what happened when Russia decided to confiscate UA military hardware and surround UA bases...

NO 'Russians' got killed, but an unarmed UA officer was killed in custody - shot during a fight with one of his 'guards 'and a Tatar 'activist' - turned up dead. 

The 'Referendum' was a joke - as was the result... '97 percent' ..

Crimea was ethnically Russian and it should be clear to all that this was a Kremlin stunt - to divert attention from internal woes.  It has done tremendous damage to Russia's reputation internationally and few nations trust her((

This 'russophobe' spends half his life in Russia and I have no issues with her people - just the leadership


My respect! it is always pleasant to learn about the world from people's own experience and their point of view, even though I gave up on building any negative attitude to the whole mess that takes place on our planet, inside countries, companies, people's heads, etc. Holding to neutral position in this context helps keep my psyche healthy. I remember hearing someone say: Angels live in heaven, and we are on the Earth )
I have to thank you for widening my vocabulary as well, this forum practice will definitely do good to me.
what cities in Russia have you been to?



Elena,


Welcome to RWD!


I think it is the right thing for you to be looking abroad for a partner. From my 13 years of marriage and life in the US as well as reading several forums all this time - I think you will be very successful. You are young, smart, have great English already, and very good education that is transferable to the US with some additional studying/licensing.


Just two pieces of friendly advice:


1. Avoid those men that complain about ALL western women and have nothing good to say about them.Also those that never managed to have a relationship with a woman from their own country.


2. 99% of men are takers, not givers. Runs with the male species, rather than with culture/country of origin.  ;D

 :D Thank you for your advice, yes, they really are. I wonder how much time it may take to find the right person. I don't really expect that this can happen to me, especially with the help of any forums but at least I can get to know what it's like over there.
As far as I understand people in the USA mostly rent than own their own apartments, kindergartens and rent cost a lot in comparison to our prices, and medical service is unbelievably expensive. My friend joked after returning from New York telling me: 'imagine you are at the surgeon's and at the end of a surgery you tell the doctor: "please take my kidney... keep the change :)". Even if I made up my mind for a second higher education or any further studies, which I am interested in, they would cost a fortune over there. Yesterday I was reading about scholarships for people who want to continue their studies abroad, most of them require a student to return back to Russia for a certain period of time after finishing studies, and of course it is not that simple, since you have to take some examination, collect a pile of documents and translate them, you should have money to travel there and other relative expenses and thus I assume that decision is not reasonable to be taken on my own.

Dear friends, can you share any resources for employment and career that are popular abroad (in your country)? Interesting to know.

Dunno, most men are keen to hand over their seed freely enough... ;D
Couldn't agree more.
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those are generous




I like taking women. But I'm also a giver. I work 8 hours a day on the job for my wife. When I come home, I work another 8 hours in the house for her. And at night, she makes me work another 8 hours. She doesn't let me rest!

do you feel like a slave :)??? Slave to love))))



Reminds me of the movie 9½ Weeks, did you watch? ))

Got out before the freeeeeeeze )))

Lucky you! Most people who come to Saint-Petersburg for the first time take sunglasses with them... in winter...  :D instead of warm clothes and an umbrella. At least they come with best expectations )))


Intelligent, beautiful, kind, good manners, responsible, caring and a person of integrity.

I also like a woman that accepts roles in the relationship. Some men and women like 50-50 taking turns on chores. My wife and I don't. She does the dishes, cooks, washes clothes, cleans house. I take care of the outside, take care of her car, bring in the money. When she is sick, I will help her.


I used to accept roles in mine, but managed to overindulge and as a result completely gained the roles of both... I am the one who earns money, raises a child, and wants a separate place of my own. And I am not the only example among my acquaintances and friends ) Russian men make Russian women stronger )))

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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2018, 11:47:10 AM »


My respect! it is always pleasant to learn about the world from people's own experience and their point of view, even though I gave up on building any negative attitude to the whole mess that takes place on our planet, inside countries, companies, people's heads, etc. Holding to neutral position in this context helps keep my psyche healthy. I remember hearing someone say: Angels live in heaven, and we are on the Earth )
I have to thank you for widening my vocabulary as well, this forum practice will definitely do good to me.
what cities in Russia have you been to?

Hi Elena

I should point out that I do not feel I can voice my opinion within Russia - as those not 'agreeing' "aren't patriots" )))

In western countries we CAN ( normally ) voice differing opinions without being accused of a lack of patriotism ...!

I have visited all the Hero Cities of the USSR - save Tula, Smolensk and Murmansk and most cities south of Moscow towards Volgograd and Sochi, plus Siberia ( Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Irtkutsk) 

Ukraine - save for the far west ( Lviv[ov]) and SW, and central and Eastern Belarus ( incl. Minsk) plus the ( pre) Baltics.

I recently 'drove' in a car from Britain to Sochi ( and back) - cheating by using the train to transport the car to and from Sochi ( from Moscow)

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22274.msg471448#msg471448

I haven't finished writing up the return leg..( via Piter)

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22388.msg474461#msg474461










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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2018, 12:58:12 PM »
One thing that kinda sticks in my craw:

It is a concept that we call feminism.  In an attempt to achieve equality of the sexes, this political movement has a tendency to overstate male stereotypes in an effort to justify action.

Take, for example, Pitbull's obviously false statement that 99% of men are takers, not givers.  I have known many (successful) couples.  My guess is that a slight majority of men could be considered takers in these relationships, but certainly not approaching 99%.   My experience, and I've asked some of my women friends to chime in - they agree, feel that the individual couple establishes the dynamic. 

Do not use Pitbull as a means of determining how to approach men in the United States.  Her approach is as close to militant feminist as we have on this board.  If you are seeking a happy relationship, feel out the man and how that man interacts not only with you, but with friends, family and acquaintances.  I know, for a fact, that of the married couples on this board, many of the men are of the 'giver' variety.  Keep in mind that a woman can also determine a man's outlook.  If a woman is kind and wise she can go far in determining how her man will interact with her.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2018, 01:17:21 PM »
I don’t think how a man reacts to your friends, family, etc. is at all relevant. Look at what is in his heart. That’s all that matters.

Pitbull is hardly a militant feminist. Western mentality is different than the mentality of the Slavic parts of the FSU, and the role of women in the family is different.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2018, 01:19:55 PM »
I don’t think how a man reacts to your friends, family, etc. is at all relevant. Look at what is in his heart. That’s all that matters.

Pitbull is hardly a militant feminist. Western mentality is different than the mentality of the Slavic parts of the FSU, and the role of women in the family is different.

Defend her all you want (you do anyway).  But there is not anyone on this forum who believes that 99 percent of all men are takers.  Yourself included.  It was a blatant overstatement which she historically has done in her crusade against men.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2018, 01:24:51 PM »
People are entitled to their opinions.  But she is not a militant feminist.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2018, 01:32:49 PM »
One thing that kinda sticks in my craw:

It is a concept that we call feminism.  In an attempt to achieve equality of the sexes, this political movement has a tendency to overstate male stereotypes in an effort to justify action.

Take, for example, Pitbull's obviously false statement that 99% of men are takers, not givers.  I have known many (successful) couples.  My guess is that a slight majority of men could be considered takers in these relationships, but certainly not approaching 99%.   My experience, and I've asked some of my women friends to chime in - they agree, feel that the individual couple establishes the dynamic. 

Do not use Pitbull as a means of determining how to approach men in the United States.  Her approach is as close to militant feminist as we have on this board. If you are seeking a happy relationship, feel out the man and how that man interacts not only with you, but with friends, family and acquaintances.  I know, for a fact, that of the married couples on this board, many of the men are of the 'giver' variety.  Keep in mind that a woman can also determine a man's outlook.  If a woman is kind and wise she can go far in determining how her man will interact with her.

It (my bolded) would be an interesting poll, Jone.

I, for one, feel that a harmonious relationship (for both partners) with immediate/ extended family and to a lessor degree friends/acquaintances is fundamental to a healthy, strong relationship between a couple.

There will always be one or two potholes in the road as one travels life but strife among family is a drain and might end up with one or both partners having to take a side. This can lead to conflict.

I believe that it should be considered a factor when choosing a mate, male or female.

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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2018, 01:35:30 PM »
99% of men are takers? That is to the extreme right of a feminazi. I hope she was joking. It had to be said tongue in cheek. I hope.  :rolleyes:

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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2018, 01:43:53 PM »
ELENUSHKA, YOU ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND SMART AND CAN FIND A LOT OF EXCELLENT AMERICAN GUYS OF YOUR AGE HERE IN US. WISHING YOU THE VERY BEST  IN YOUR SEARCH!

Yes, she can find them and even marry and move to the west.

However, the marriage is unlikely to be successful when it starts to sink in to the western guy the feelings, beliefs and interpretations she has about Russia's past and current actions on the world stage.

So she would be setting herself up for big heartache down the road.
And it won't be successful (over time) for her to try to hide her feelings and beliefs.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2018, 02:19:54 PM »
Yes, she can find them and even marry and move to the west.

However, the marriage is unlikely to be successful when it starts to sink in to the western guy the feelings, beliefs and interpretations she has about Russia's past and current actions on the world stage.

So she would be setting herself up for big heartache down the road.
And it won't be successful (over time) for her to try to hide her feelings and beliefs.

To some guys, what the US does or what Russia does or doesn't do has no impact on how they interact on a personal level.

I've had relationships with women from Russia who had views that were similar to our Op's, yet I did not have issues with her, personally.   Politics can be a factor in not getting along.  But unless the woman or man is militant in their views, it is possible to ameliorate those views on behalf of a loved one.
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Re: New Ice Breaker from Saint Petersburg
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2018, 02:40:58 PM »
To some guys, what the US does or what Russia does or doesn't do has no impact on how they interact on a personal level.

I've had relationships with women from Russia that had views that were similar to our Op's, yet I did not have issues with her, personally.   Politics can be a factor in not getting along.  But unless the woman or man is militant in their views, it is possible to ameliorate those views on behalf of a loved one.

OK, let's add in some real possibilities.

WM and RW are married.
Armed conflict breaks out between USA and Russia, even if limited in scope.  A family member or close family friend of one of them is killed in the conflict.

Now, keep the impact of this out of  "how they interact on a personal level."

Another possibility.

Sanctions are racheted up to such a level that the RW's family and friends back in Russia are being severely impacted.  The WM is already being bled dry with money sent back to Russia, but it is still not enough; and the money itself does not overcome the bitterness felt toward the American people and government for putting ordinary Russians in this position.

Yes, just rely on 'amelioration.'
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