Netherlands Investigation Complete: Russia Responsible for MH 17

[ML]

Just released at this time.

Netherlands investigation concludes Russian BUK shot down MH 17 and the missile was controlled by Russian experts.

Also, Russians have been repeatedly trying to break into Netherlands computer systems to steal info regarding this investigation and may have been able to delete some file.

I hope this is an accurate report as Ochka is relaying to me as she is reading.

http://tsn.ua/politika/litak-reysu-mn17-buv-zbitiy-rosiyskim-bukom-prokuratura-niderlandiv-413375.html

[JayH]

From the story--


"Also, the Prosecutor of the Netherlands noted that there are serious evidence that the intelligence service of the Russian Federation are constantly trying to break down and penetrate the computer systems of the Dutch police and prosecutors. See also: Putin's official immediately after the fall of "Boeing" was written to replace commanders "beech" Smartphones and laptops that investigators used in Ukraine, and who had contact with the local network, had to be destroyed. The reason - infection with spyware Spyware. In some cases had to be removed from the network of police officers as they were attacked and could be infected."
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/politika/litak-reysu-mn17-buv-zbitiy-rosiyskim-bukom-prokuratura-niderlandiv-413375.html

[AkMike]

Now we'll see what they intend to do with these findings.

World Court? Family's of the victims filing directly against Russia or the Netherlands?

[AkMike]

MH 17
 Also, the Prosecutor of the Netherlands noted that there are serious evidence that the intelligence service of the Russian Federation are constantly trying to break down and penetrate the computer systems of the Dutch police and prosecutors.
http://tsn.ua/politika/litak-r...erlandiv-413375.html

[jone]

This may be a bit premature.  I read three other news sources and none of them are as emphatic as this reports seems to be.  Instead, I think that this is the favored line of thought being espoused by the Dutch.

[AC]

This may be a bit premature.  I read three other news sources and none of them are as emphatic as this reports seems to be.  Instead, I think that this is the favored line of thought being espoused by the Dutch.

Oh okay Neville.  Or maybe Putin and his followers really are evil.

[southernX]

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this is a big story if thats the reports findings , havent seen anything in the mainstream media yet ,

if its true let hope there facts are conclusive

SX

[jone]

Oh okay Neville.  Or maybe Putin and his followers really are evil.

Come on, AC!  Are you into your cups?

There is absolutely nothing in the mainstream media.   At the same time this article was being released, The Daily Beast, which covers these things in America, released a story that the relatives of the victims were visiting the wreckage of the jet.  This probably means that there has been no official release of information from the Dutch government.   Where do you see me thinking that this was anything other than that which we have seen from the Russians in every other situation where they have lied?

My observation is that the release came out in a pro-Ukrainian media source and that it failed to pass the sniff test for anything more than sensationalism.  There can only be one true Neville and I am not he.

[Shadow]

Bogus.

http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl is the Government office that is doing the investigation and publishing reports.
There is no new report published about such findings.

[Faux Pas]

Now we'll see what they intend to do with these findings.

World Court? Family's of the victims filing directly against Russia or the Netherlands?

If this is true and not disinformation, the Dutch will do exactly nothing. The complaint will have to come from the Netherlands. That window of opportunity is quickly closing anyway. There has been little doubt what brought down MH17 from the first day it hit the ground

[AC]

Come on, AC!  Are you into your cups?

There is absolutely nothing in the mainstream media.   At the same time this article was being released, The Daily Beast, which covers these things in America, released a story that the relatives of the victims were visiting the wreckage of the jet.  This probably means that there has been no official release of information from the Dutch government.   Where do you see me thinking that this was anything other than that which we have seen from the Russians in every other situation where they have lied?

My observation is that the release came out in a pro-Ukrainian media source and that it failed to pass the sniff test for anything more than sensationalism.  There can only be one true Neville and I am not he.

I misunderstood.  My bad, please accept my apology.

[Boethius]

Story on a photo taken just as MH17 was hit -


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006066/MoS-s-vital-clue-hunt-shot-MH17-Investigators-believe-missile-vapour-trail-photo-points-blame-Russia.html

[SANDRO43]

Story on a photo taken just as MH17 was hit

The closest thing to a 'smoking gun' I've seen on the matter:

IINM, the vapour trail is always thicker close to the ground for a launched missile, and some 4' after the hit it won't disperse much with a steady wind .

[southernX]

good article ,
the final report when it is released will make interesting reading

SX

[ML]

But then Russia will threaten Netherlands with nuclear retaliation.  Such high class people.

[AC]

But then Russia will threaten Netherlands with nuclear retaliation.  Such high class people.

So classy that they may have already murdered their own soldiers in order to keep it secret:


excerpt
"Leaks from the Dutch probe indicate that investigators believe it likely the BUK was fired not by rebels but by Russian soldiers.

These troops ‘might have changed their identities or even been executed by Russian secret service in order to hide everything’, according to Robert Bas, a journalist with Dutch state broadcaster NOS, citing anonymous sources in the investigation.

Last week a reporter with RTL, another broadcaster in the Netherlands, said shrapnel he collected from the crash site was tested by forensic experts, including defence analysts IHS Jane’s in London, who said it matched the explosive charge of a BUK."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006066/MoS-s-vital-clue-hunt-shot-MH17-Investigators-believe-missile-vapour-trail-photo-points-blame-Russia.html#ixzz3VBHCr2hm
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[BCKev]

Not the report that everyone is waiting for, this article summarizes a recently completed study on MH-17:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/01/12/new-study-on-the-shooting-down-of-mh17-points-to-russian-forces/

[mendeleyev]

Gregory is absolutely spot on. I was watching LifeNews (Kremlin connected) when it happened. The LifeNews embedded reporter, who has since been "decorated" for bravery in a Kremlin ceremony, was introduced by the anchor. In a very excited voice he described how the forces he was with had just shot down another Ukrainian jet, saying it was a military transport. Two other Ukrainian aircraft had been taken out by this unit in the days leading up to MH-17, but this was their "highest" (in altitude) kill.

The reporter interviewed a local unit leader there, and then conducted voice interviews were a couple of higher ranking rebel commanders. They were jubilant. That report was posted on the front page of the LifeNews website, and uploaded to YouTube. Not long thereafter the YouTube video suddenly disappeared, the website news page was sanitized, and the embedded reporter went silent.

LifeNews has affiliates who pay for original content, and all of a sudden there was an urgent "recall" of that segment, and what in journalistic terms amounts to a cease and desist order was being delivered. Instead, the network adopted the story line of an "unknown" aircraft downed by Ukrainian forces.

[JayH]

Russia continues to attempt confusion to divert Russian culpability.

Russian has a brand new theory about what brought down a passenger plane in eastern Ukraine

The Russian company that makes Buk air defense systems conceded that a Buk missile was responsible for the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 on July 17, 2014.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/business-insider-russian-has-a-brand-new-theory-about-what-brought-down-a-passenger-plane-in-eastern-ukraine-390104.html

[Boethius]

Bellingcat on tracking the BUK missile that brought down MH17 -


http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/06/30/low-loader/

[jone]

Bellingcat on tracking the BUK missile that brought down MH17 -


http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/06/30/low-loader/

Argh, read the comments after the article.  The troll factory in high gear.

[JayH]

Bellingcat on tracking the BUK missile that brought down MH17 -


http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/06/30/low-loader/

MrsB--both AKMike and myself have posted previous links to these reports(& this story)-- this is updated version with additional confirming material.

A side issue-- the idea that Russia promotes that western media is a propaganda tool in the same way the Kremlin pumps out false information is a contrasted highlight in this report.

Report discredits Kremlin attempt to confuse issues--western investigative journalists examine the material available to prove Kremlin lying-again.

The Kremlin attempts to hide it's connection to stories(lies) while in the west it is open slather to say and print whatever conclusions are reached-- and be open for examination.

Bellingcat have done a remarkable piece of linking this story together-- and other "news" sources( eg 60 minutes) have used the material to claim "exclusives"!

When the US decides to show us what it knows about all this--it will be the nail in the Kremlin lies.


Thanks to the generous donations of our supporters last month, Bellingcat was able to purchase 25 square kilometers of satellite imagery from Digital Globe. Our latest report used this imagery to definitively demonstrate that the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) falsely dated satellite photos it presented to the international community in the days after the MH17 tragedy last year in order to implicate Ukraine. Now, we will use the same Digital Globe imagery to show that the low-loader that hauled the Buk linked with the downing of MH17 was in fact absent from its vehicle yard when it was photographed by Paris Match on the morning of 17 July 20""
http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/06/30/low-loader/

[ML]

Complete book about the incident.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/author-putin-to-blame-for-mh17-shootdown-but-dutch-oil-interests-will-thwart-any-prosecution-392865.html